Lagna lord in 5th House

[Guest guest]

Dear Ernst ji,

I agree with your statement.

Love,

Sreenadh

, " Ernst Wilhelm "

<ernst wrote:

>

> These types of yogas do indicate death, unless there are arishta

Bhanga

> yogas that prevent the death, in which case there are still health

> considerations or stress during birth to the child and or mother,

but only

> when there are arishta bhanga yogas, otherwise it is death, and

certainly no

> cause for a girl! You will see these yogas in charts of babies

born with

> emergency c-section for instance.

>

Jai Rama,

>

> Ernst

>

>

>

>

> On Behalf Of

renunw

> Thursday, September 27, 2007 11:19 AM

>

> Re: Lagna lord in 5th House

>

>

>

> > Dear Lalit ji,

>

> > " loss doesn't mean death, it may be girl child, it may be

hopeless

> > child, it may be a child with poor health, "

>

> Please kindly note that the above statement by you is absurd and

> insulting. Do you consider a girl born is as similar as a hopeless

> child?

> Or similar to a child with poor health? I am sure this has nothing

to

> do with gender but may be I agree with your other suggestions.

>

> This is the 21st century and gone are the days of the male dominant

> society. Don't you have a mother, a sister, a wife or a daughter?

Do

> you think your mother was born to this world as a result of a

malefic

> influence on the lagna lord placed in the 5H of her mother's

horoscope?

>

> I am sorry to write like this...but never ever forget that male and

> female hold equal status in this world.

>

> blessings

>

> Renu

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Srinadh,

 

last mail to you -

 

The analysis u did for me, with the help of prashna was bit by bit

wrong and the story of affairs which was cooked up in the analysis

was not there, how, will tell,I have been in touch with a girl, had

some liking for her, and during the period when u mentioned the

relationship may die as 7'th lord is going to 8'th house, the

relationship took a favorable nice turn, Sunil ji is aware of the

incident, u can ask him.

 

On the one hand u remember so many shlokas and on the other hand

things r behind the smoke screen, why ?

 

I wanted to indicate the bottlenecks and loopholes in ur approach of

understanding the astrology, but it looks u r a person who likes to

show shortcoming in approach as strength or a quality attribute of

the approach, leave it, I thought there is collective learning in the

group, that's why i interrupted you, my idea was, firstly u w'd

translate and then every one will give their inputs, as u r very much

closed to ur writing and looks sensitive also, there is no point in

interacting with u, same way i can also be wrong, i m, but i m open

to see where i m wrong, i w'd welcome if i m told i m wrong here coz

i m not a show master.

 

regarding miscarriage, i didn't negate the possibilities, but added

other possibilities along with that, why that happened to someone

will have to be understood in entirety, the case given has two

points -

 

1. lagna lord in 5'th

2. mars (malific) in 5'th

 

which is causing the problem, entire horoscope is required to be seen

and several horoscopes are required to reach a conclusion.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Javed ji,

> Yes, that shows that Parasara was right - and Lalit's effort to

> mixing too much water into it such as the following was wrong.

> ==>

> A malefic influence in 5'th does not always lead to loss of the

first

> child, this placement sometimes give girl child, death of child is

an

> extreme result which happens in cases of extreme maleificance.

> <==

> Hope Lalit ji will take it as a lesson - and see the slokas put

> forward by the sages with more trust.

> ==>

> > Mine lagna lord is Mars, which is placed in 5th house in my

> lagna chart. When my wife was in 3rd month of pregnancy, she had a

> miss carriage in 1993,it was our first baby, after that we have

four

> children, quite healthy.

> <==

> Yes, it seems that Parasara was well aware of the contextual

> importance of signs for LL in placement in 5th for all the houses.

> Note that except for Aquarius and possibly for Pisces, for all the

> other houses 'LL in 5th' got some association with its sign of

> debilitation or 8th house or 12th house.

> But still i am a bit in dis-satisfied by the fact that Parasara

> considered or mixed 'Sign-Hous Base' result while dealing

with 'House-

> Base' result derivation technique.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , javed khaanzada

> <javed_khaanzada@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lalit and Srinadh ji,

> >

> > As in Parasar Hora stated:

> >

> > If lagna lord is in 5th, the native would be angry; will have

> moderate well-being from children. The native will lose his first

> child. He would be a proud individual with much self-respect and

> reputation. He would be dear to the king.

> >

> > Mine lagna lord is Mars,which is placed in 5th house in my

lagna

> chart.When my wife was in 3rd month of pregnancy,she had a miss

> carriage in 1993,it was our first baby,after that we have four

> children,quite healthy.

> >

> > Regds-javed

> >

> >

> > litsol <mlalit@> wrote:

> > Dear Srinadh,

> >

> > Leave it, I m not part of ur show, where u r the only script

> writer,

> > director, actor, viewer and even the stage is your's.

> >

> > I had an impression that this is a open group where a collective

> > learning may emerge to make astrology more advanced more

effective

> > but, I feel i was wrong in my understanding, you w'd never accept

> ur

> > shortcomings and w'd never take inputs from members. so i drop it.

> >

> > u make ur rules for ur convenience sake, act on ur rules as per

ur

> > convenience and you teach rules to others as per ur conveniince

and

> > define liberty from rules as per ur convenience.

> >

> > when i saw ur post, instinctively, without thinking much about

> > subsequent consequences, happen to respond to you, which will

never

> > be there, i m a I m a easy going man, open minded person.

> >

> > I have no objection, carry on ur show, i m silent.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > , " Sreenadh "

> > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit ji,

> > > The questions in articles are -

> > > * Guidance to think.

> > > * They are part of the process of thinking

> > > * They are not demanding, requesting and asking someone to come

> > and

> > > give a ready made answer, such as " Perhaps u have not checked

> > malefic

> > > influence on 5'th house with horoscopes... and I will teach you

> the

> > > remedy, the correct results and the method to be followed " ;

know

> > that

> > > it is to motivate thinking; it is to motivate more fuel to the

> fire

> > > with in; to guide others and me to learn to think itself -

> > > systematically; in the way astrology demands! Note that 7-fold

> > method

> > > is a " Thought Tool " , a methodology for thinking. With a

peaceful

> > mind

> > > think about it - and you will see what I mean.

> > > What the questions you present in your own writeups/articles -

> > you

> > > will what I mean.

> > > ==>

> > > > if ur post is only house specific why u raise such questions

> and

> > > > then try to find answers,

> > > <==

> > > I hope the above section clarifies this. The post was 'house

> > > specific' that too is right.

> > > ==>

> > > > u urself asked the question in ur post - " Why should lagna

> > > > lord going to 5th make the native an angry and aggressive

> > > > individual " and tried to understand the reason

> > > <==

> > > Yes, I did raise that question and tried to answer it - because

> > that

> > > was a result derived by Parasara and I was thinking about the

> logic

> > > behind it; Certainly that is related to 'House Base'

derivation,

> > and

> > > not related to anything else.

> > > Did you tried to think and find an answer to that question? Did

> > you

> > > checked the same in some example horoscopes and found that it

> > doesn't

> > > work?

> > > Now let us come to your comment on the same -

> > > Comment -1

> > > ==>

> > > > If u r doing a commentary on the ancient classics, ur

approach

> is

> > > > right and there is lot to learn from such writings, but as

> > > > far as learning is concerned, more urge to study and dissect

> the

> > > > obsecure cases is required.

> > > <==

> > > What do you mean by 'obscure cases'? Do you mean example

> > horoscopes?

> > > The do it yourself - and present the results! That is the way

to

> > go -

> > > an a research approach, and we too would be benefited by that;

go

> > > ahead and do it! Note that the above statement by you lacks

even

> > the

> > > basic understanding that " the article was dealing with House

Base

> > > result derivation, and that too about LL in 5th " !

> > > Comment -2

> > > ==>

> > > > same way, 5'th has connection to 11'th house, the house of

> gains,

> > > > this combination of lagna lord's placement in 5'th house

> > > > makes a person too much ambitious, self cenetered, he is self

> > > > promting so should be aggressive coz his rise is his main

> > objective

> > > > of the life. This is what i observed.

> > > <==

> > > Yah, that is good logic - and a good suggestion. But note the

> last

> > > statement " This is what i observed " ! We all know that you

started

> > > learning astrology before 5 months only. Of course you are a

> > smart

> > > learner, and has good logic, (I appreciate that, and happy

about

> > it).

> > > Considering the above facts, possibly if it was something like -

> > " This

> > > is a better logical derivation I feel " , it would have been more

> > > pleasant. Even if you have " observed " such combinations -

your

> > > time span of 5 months is not even enough to complete the

training

> > > period and clear the testing phase! :=)

> > > Lalit ji, don't take all these comments personally - I love you

> > very

> > > much, and know well that it is rare to find such a good

> potential.

> > > But don't do the mistake becoming a teacher; don't do the

mistake

> > of

> > > becoming a teacher - your experience and knowledge is not

enough

> > for

> > > that; I have at least 8 years experience as a professional

> > > astrologer, but still I am a learner and yet to become a

teacher;

> I

> > > don't think in near future it would be possible as well; thus

the

> > > fact is there are no teachers in this group; and never can be.

> > > We are all fellow students here - even though the amount of

> > > knowledge may vary a bit from individual to individual; that is

> not

> > > much important. But learning to be a learner, and being a

> > learner,

> > > and accepting that i am a learner and that my knowledge is

> limited -

> >

> > > IS important. We simply don't have answers to everything - and

> > never

> > > can be.

> > > Be with me brother and give a bit credit for being elder...

> > > Love and Hugs,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lalit ji,

> > > > Are you noticing that we are deviating from the subject?

> Present

> > > > your views on Lagna lord in 5th in a well written way (In

> > similar

> > > > discussions - Baquya ji does it - he is good; Srinivas ji

does

> > it;

> > > > Sunil Does it; RK ji does it; similarly many more members)

and

> I

> > > will

> > > > love to see the same - whether it be from experience or from

> > Logic.

> > > > Second, I am NOT teaching anybody - but learning and

presenting

> > > > systematically - of course my experience as an astrologer,

and

> of

> > > the

> > > > books would be useful in that effort. But never expect or

feel

> > that

> > > I

> > > > am teaching - I am NOT. Everybody learns by themselves.

> Everybody

> > > > should try to present there sincere " understanding " " about

the

> > > > subject under discussion " with clarity. There is NO Teacher-

> > > Learner,

> > > > Master-Disciple here; But only learners - all members present

> in

> > > this

> > > > group are humble learners of the astrological wisdom

presented

> by

> > > > sages. I am a learner a student of them, and NOT a teacher to

> > > anyone.

> > > > Please understand this.

> > > > Love,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > , " litsol "

> > > > <mlalit@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Srinadh,

> > > > >

> > > > > Do u mean, If u r not clear somewhere or u r missing

> something

> > > and

> > > > > someone points out to the mising point, he himself lacks

the

> > > > > understanding, very good approach, sorry to interrupt this

> > time,

> > > > now

> > > > > onwards will never try to correct you.

> > > > >

> > > > > However,u urself asked the question in ur post - " Why

should

> > > lagna

> > > > > lord going to 5th make the native an angry and aggressive

> > > > > individual " and tried to understand the reason, if ur post

is

> > > only

> > > > > house specific why u raise such questions and then try to

> find

> > > > > answers, simply i thuoght to correct ur effort with my

> > > > understanding

> > > > > but ur attitude is very different,So much inclination in

> > teaching

> > > > is

> > > > > affecting ur's learning only.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Lalit ji,

> > > > > > Malefic effect in 5th causing many troubles is a known

fact

> > to

> > > > all

> > > > > > astrologers - no explanation is needed on the same.

Knowing

> > > what

> > > > > > those troubles are, needs considering a lot of other

> > > parameters.

> > > > > > Deriving the details - which uses several methodologies

> such

> > as

> > > > > > Bhavat Bhava Chinta, Karkat Bhava chinta, considering

other

> > > > > > combinations - know that there is a big distance to go

and

> it

> > > is

> > > > > not

> > > > > > that simple.

> > > > > > What we are doing here is not trying to reach some

> > inflexible

> > > > > > conclusion; or to analyze someone's horoscope; but to see

> to

> > > what

> > > > > > extend the slokas on 'House Base' derivation technique

can

> > > point

> > > > > to.

> > > > > > Try to understand things in the context they are.

> > > > > > When you are trying your own bit of logic in something -

> > > present

> > > > > it

> > > > > > that way; Instead of saying this is right or that is

wrong,

> > or

> > > > > > somewhere else is the crux. Present - as per your logic

you

> > > think

> > > > > it

> > > > > > could be so and so. (Don't bring in I have seen such and

> such

> > > in

> > > > > some

> > > > > > horoscope and so let us discuss that horoscope strategy

as

> > > well -

> > > > > > that is not the way. If the same combination is present

in

> > some

> > > > > known

> > > > > > horoscope - the combination alone can be considered for

> > > > > verification,

> > > > > > and other feature or details of that horoscope should be

> > > > neglected.

> > > > > > We should stick to the context and the method of study).

> Loss

> > > can

> > > > > > mean many things -

> > > > > > * It could be abortion

> > > > > > * It could untimely death of son at a later age (as in

the

> > > case

> > > > of

> > > > > > Indira Gandhi)

> > > > > > * It could be a missing son Or there could be many other

> > > > > > possibilities as well.

> > > > > > Neither the sloka nor we are going in to that details -

> > > instead

> > > > > what

> > > > > > we are doing is 'Trying to learn the logical background

and

> > > > > concepts

> > > > > > used in House Base derivation by the sages; and thus

trying

> > to

> > > > > master

> > > > > > that technique' - know this well.

> > > > > > ==>

> > > > > > > there are chances for the entire hard work to be

confined

> > to

> > > > mere

> > > > > > > translation of some shlokas, which i think, is

certainly

> > not

> > > > the

> > > > > > > objective.

> > > > > > <==

> > > > > > Clearly the above words come from lack of understanding

of

> > > > > objective

> > > > > > and strategy, of this group. Please check -

> > > > > > * The previous mails on the same thread

> > > > > > * The files in the files folder dealing with similar

things

> > > > (i.e.

> > > > > > Articles related to 7-fold result derivation technique of

> > > > astrology)

> > > > > > * Thus instead of starting afresh were you land yourself

in

> > > the

> > > > > > forum, create a background to deal with the subject in

> hand,

> > > > > > systematically.

> > > > > > Note: The document regarding " Lagna lord in various

houses

> > was

> > > > > there

> > > > > > in file section for many days, and mails about file

> uploading

> > > > goes

> > > > > to

> > > > > > every member, the main thread of discussion is on the

same;

> > but

> > > > > alas!

> > > > > > the never read or refer to such files and instead depend

on

> > the

> > > > > > posted mails alone! No serious learner who approach

> astrology

> > > > > > shouldn't follow such a method. He should download and

> study

> > > them

> > > > > > before putting in his bit - and that SHOULD BE a well

> thought

> > > out

> > > > > > one - depicting his sincerity and earnest effort to

> > understand

> > > > and

> > > > > > learn the path shown by the sages " . Whether such a view

> > matches

> > > > > with

> > > > > > mine or not is irrelevant. But the contribution should be

> > > > valuable -

> > > > >

> > > > > > coming out from research, experience and effort.

> > > > > > Hope the confusion is clarified.

> > > > > > Love and Hugs,

> > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " litsol "

> > > > > > <mlalit@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Srinadh,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pls. tell where i m wrong in finding such shortcomings

in

> > > what

> > > > u

> > > > > > > tried to derive and explain after the translation, in

> fact,

> > i

> > > > > saw,

> > > > > > u

> > > > > > > urself tried to understand what is missing, struggled a

> > lot,

> > > > but

> > > > > > just

> > > > > > > stopped before touching the crux, a gap remained is to

> > cover

> > > > up.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I suggested something for the betterment only.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > loss doesn't mean death, it may be girl child, it may

be

> > > > hopeless

> > > > > > > child, it may be a child with poor health, we need to

be

> > more

> > > > > > specific

> > > > > > > while deriving the results and explaining them to group.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > be admissive and keep a holistic approach so that a

right

> > > > > learning

> > > > > > > approach could be developed having inputs from every

one,

> > > > > > otherwise,

> > > > > > > there are chances for the entire hardwork to be

confined

> to

> > > > mere

> > > > > > > translation of some shlokas, which i think, is

certainly

> > not

> > > > the

> > > > > > > objective.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > if u mind and dont consider what u r told, i have no

> > business

> > > > to

> > > > > > > interrupt you, u can move on ur ways.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

> , " Sreenadh "

> > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Lalit ji,

> > > > > > > > Did you ever been an astrologer? I think not. Just

> > simply

> > > > > learn!

> > > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> , " litsol "

> > > > > > > > <mlalit@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Srinadh,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Perhapse u have not checked malific influence on

5'th

> > > house

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > horoscopes,However, i appreciate ur efforts to

> > understand

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > consequences of 5'th house as well as lagna lord's

> > > > placement

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > A malific influence in 5'th does not always lead to

> > loss

> > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > child, this placement sometimes give girl child,

> death

> > of

> > > > > child

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > extreme result which happens in cases of extreme

> > > > malificance.

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > remember once u said during discussion of BB that

> 4'th

> > > > house

> > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > denote loss of child, if 4'th there are other house

> as

> > > well

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > reference to 5'th house.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If u r doing a commentary on the ancient classics,

ur

> > > > > approach

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > right and there is lot to learn from such writings,

> but

> > > as

> > > > > far

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > learning is concerned, more urge to study and

dissect

> > the

> > > > > > > obsecure

> > > > > > > > > cases is required.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > same way, 5'th has connection to 11'th house, the

> house

> > > of

> > > > > > gains,

> > > > > > > > > this combination of lagna lord's placement in 5'th

> > house

> > > > > makes

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > person too much ambitious, self cenetered, he is

self

> > > > > promting

> > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > should be aggressive coz his rise is his main

> objective

> > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > life.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This is what i observed.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The results for Lagna lord in 5th house is

> > discussed

> > > > > below.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ==============================================

> > > > > > > > > > Lagna lord in 5th House

> > > > > > > > > > -----------------------------

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th, the native would be

proud

> an

> > > > > > > individual

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > much self-respect and reputation and a bit angry

> but

> > > > > > righteous

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > kind.

> > > > > > > > > > He will have children. He may have moderate well-

> > being

> > > > from

> > > > > > > > > children and

> > > > > > > > > > may lose his first child as well, especially if

> there

> > > is

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > malefic

> > > > > > > > > > influence on 5th house. He would be dear to the

> > people

> > > > with

> > > > > > > power

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > authority. He will have good authority or

rulership

> > and

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > > enjoy a

> > > > > > > > > > good eventful and enjoyable life. Bestowed with

> good

> > > > > > qualities,

> > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > do many good deeds.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th, the native would be

angry;

> > > will

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > moderate

> > > > > > > > > > well-being from children. The native will lose

his

> > > first

> > > > > > child.

> > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > be a proud individual with much self-respect and

> > > > > reputation.

> > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > would be

> > > > > > > > > > dear to the king.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > - Parasara Hora

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Why should lagna lord going to 5th make the

native

> an

> > > > angry

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > aggressive individual? One of the logic behind

> could

> > > be -

> > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > from 3rd house; and Upachaya (increase) stana of

> 3rd

> > > > house.

> > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > signify anger and possibly that is why lagna lord

> in

> > > 5th

> > > > > > > > increases

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > anger and agitation of the native. But also not

> that

> > > 5th

> > > > is

> > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > from 4th (simple and humble mind) making the

native

> a

> > > > > > straight

> > > > > > > > > forward

> > > > > > > > > > individual. It is also mentioned in the sloka

that

> > the

> > > > > native

> > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > lose

> > > > > > > > > > his first child - why? The natural expectation

> would

> > be

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > in 5th should bestow good results for 5th, thus

> > > providing

> > > > > > > > children

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > happiness from children to the native. Of course

if

> > > lagna

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > in 5th

> > > > > > > > > > is afflicted by some malefic, then it would have

> > double

> > > > > > impact,

> > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > the same would affect both the 5th house and the

> > lagna

> > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > amplifying

> > > > > > > > > > the possibility for bad result. Since 5th could

> > signify

> > > > the

> > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > > > the bad result could be attributed to the first

> child

> > > as

> > > > > > well.

> > > > > > > > > Actually

> > > > > > > > > > this is what we see mentioned in Meenaraja hora.

> But

> > > > > Parasara

> > > > > > > > > provides

> > > > > > > > > > no such clue about any required malefic influence

> in

> > > 5th

> > > > > > house!

> > > > > > > > We

> > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > wonder stuck by this derivation, and we fail to

> > imagine

> > > > any

> > > > > > > solid

> > > > > > > > > reason

> > > > > > > > > > behind such a derivation in the absence of any

> > malefic

> > > > > > > influence

> > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > > house. Another version of the same sloka is

> > available,

> > > > > which

> > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > provides similar results.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th, the native would be

proud;

> > > will

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > moderate

> > > > > > > > > > well-being from children. He will lose his first

> > child.

> > > > He

> > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > angry and will have special privileges in the

> king's

> > > > place.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > - Parasara Hora

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Apart from minor differences this sloka gives

> almost

> > > same

> > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > above. It seems that, the loss of first child

> should

> > be

> > > > > > > predicted

> > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > if there is a malefic influence in 5th house,

since

> > the

> > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > available

> > > > > > > > > > slokas give good results concerning children if

> lagna

> > > > lord

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > > house. [Note that similar to in this sloka

Parasara

> > > will

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > mention

> > > > > > > > > > `if the lagna lord is malefic and placed in x

> house'

> > in

> > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > other slokas as well. We will encounter this

> writing

> > > > style

> > > > > > > > related

> > > > > > > > > issue

> > > > > > > > > > in many other instances as well] Let us see what

> > > > Meenaraja

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > say.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th house, the native will

have

> > > > > children,

> > > > > > > > > righteous

> > > > > > > > > > and kind. He will have good authority or

rulership

> > and

> > > > will

> > > > > > > enjoy

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > eventful and enjoyable life. Bestowed with good

> > > > qualities,

> > > > > he

> > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > many good deeds.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > - Meenaraja Hora

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In one printed version of Meenaraja Hora the word

> > > Suseela

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > quoted

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > Sugeeta (Good in singing). Select the proper word

> > based

> > > > on

> > > > > > > actual

> > > > > > > > > > experience observed.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Note that as per Meenaraja lagna lord in 5th

> > `provides

> > > > > > children'

> > > > > > > > > > and does not `destroy children'. Even though

> Parasara

> > > > only

> > > > > > says

> > > > > > > > > > that `lose of first child could happen', he too

> does

> > > not

> > > > > say

> > > > > > > > > > that `the native will not have children'. If we

> > combine

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > statements of both Parasara and Meenaraja the

only

> > > > > conclusion

> > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > could

> > > > > > > > > > reach is `The native will have children, but he

may

> > > loss

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > child as well'. But it should be noted that the

> loss

> > of

> > > > > first

> > > > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > > > does not seems to be logically supported in the

> > absence

> > > > of

> > > > > > > malefic

> > > > > > > > > > influence on 5th house - this was my initial

> > inference.

> > > > (An

> > > > > > > > > amendment is

> > > > > > > > > > proposed later) The sloka provided by Hora

> Pradeepam

> > is

> > > > > > almost

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > > as that of Meenaraja.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th house, the native will

have

> > > > > children,

> > > > > > > > > righteous

> > > > > > > > > > and kind. He will have good authority or

rulership

> > and

> > > > will

> > > > > > > enjoy

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > eventful and happy life. Bestowed with good

> > qualities,

> > > he

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > good deeds.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > - Hora Pradeepam

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Parasara says that Lagna lord in 5th would make

the

> > > > native

> > > > > > > angry -

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > why?

> > > > > > > > > > Clearly any direct logic is not visible. Sun is

the

> > > > natural

> > > > > > > > > significator

> > > > > > > > > > of Lagna. If we are considering lagna lord in 5th

> as

> > > > > similar

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > sun

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > 5th, then the above derivation would be justified

> and

> > > > > > possibly

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > lose

> > > > > > > > > > of first child as well. But is it a correct

> approach?

> > I

> > > > am

> > > > > > > > doubtful.

> > > > > > > > > > Only verifying the actual results from charts

with

> > > > similar

> > > > > > > > > combination

> > > > > > > > > > can shed some light on this issue.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Rule 5: Lagna lord in any house should be treated

> > > similar

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > house, since Sun is the natural significator of

> Lagna.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am a bit doubtful about the validity of the

above

> > > rule.

> > > > > If

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > supported by actual results it is better to

ignore

> > the

> > > > > above

> > > > > > > > rule.

> > > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > logic supplied till now does not seem to be

capable

> > > > enough

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > satisfactorily explain the strong results

proposed

> by

> > > > > > Parasara

> > > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > > as -

> > > > > > > > > > Lagna lord in 5th causing the loss of first

child;

> it

> > > > will

> > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > make the

> > > > > > > > > > native an angry individual. There should be some

> > other

> > > > > logic

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > well.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > On retrospect we feel that - Parasara will not

say

> > > > > something

> > > > > > > > > without a

> > > > > > > > > > sold reason. Why should he bring planets base

> result

> > > (e.g.

> > > > > > > > > > benefic/malefic) into it, when he was dealing

with

> > > House

> > > > > base

> > > > > > > > > > prediction? That is not logical. There could be

> some

> > > > other

> > > > > in-

> > > > > > > > depth

> > > > > > > > > > reason. Yes, you are right - there is. Let us

> analyze

> > > all

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > possible

> > > > > > > > > > houses and lagna lord in their fifth house, and

> check

> > > > > whether

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > > can cause the loss of child -

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 1) Aries lagna, lagna lord Mars in Leo: Yes, Leo

is

> a

> > > > sign

> > > > > > > > > signifying

> > > > > > > > > > less children, and Mars a malefic in it can

> indicate

> > > loss

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > sure.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 2) Taurus lagna, lagna lord Venus in Virgo: Virgo

> is

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > debilitation

> > > > > > > > > > sign for Venus. Also not that Venus owns the

> lordship

> > > of

> > > > > 6th

> > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > well. Thus for sure for Taurus lagna Venus in 5th

> can

> > > > > > indicate

> > > > > > > > loss

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > child for sure.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 3) Gemini lagna, lagna lord Me in Libra: Note

that

> > > Venus

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > Libra owns the 12th house (house indicating

death)

> as

> > > > well.

> > > > > > > > > Possibly the

> > > > > > > > > > combination can indicate loss or death.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 4) Cancer lagna, Moon in Scorpio: Scorpio is the

> > > > > debilitation

> > > > > > > > sign

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > Moon. Ofcourse the same can indicate the loss of

> > child.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 5) Leo lagna, Sun in Sagittarius: Note that the

> lord

> > of

> > > > > > > > Sagittarius

> > > > > > > > > > Jupiter owns the 8th house (death) as well. Thus

> > > > certainly

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > combination can indicate the loss or death of

child.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 6) Virgo lagna, Me in Capricorn: The lord of

> > Capricorn

> > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > owns

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > 6th house as well. Possibly the combination can

> > > indicate

> > > > > bad

> > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > such as loss of child - amended by the fact that

> both

> > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > are imbecile planets.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 7) Libra lagna, Venus in Aquarius: Note that

lagna

> > lord

> > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > the 8th lord. Certainly 8th lord is a malefic,

and

> a

> > > > > malefic

> > > > > > > > placed

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > 5th can indicate lose of child.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If you continue this analysis, you could see that

> for

> > > > most

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 12

> > > > > > > > > > signs, lagna lord placed in 5th can indicate the

> loss

> > > of

> > > > > > child,

> > > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > > though the same does not match perfectly for

> Aquarius

> > > and

> > > > > > > Pisces

> > > > > > > > > Lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > Thus it becomes clear that Parasara was not

making

> a

> > > > > > statement

> > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > base or without understanding. His derivation

> sprung

> > > from

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > deep

> > > > > > > > > > understanding that `for all the 12 signs, lagna

> lord

> > in

> > > > 5th

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > favorably placed, and this can be crystallized

into

> > the

> > > > > brief

> > > > > > > > > statement

> > > > > > > > > > - lagna lord in 5th can indicate bad results such

> as -

> >

> > > > loss

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > child and anger'. Then is it that Meenaraja was

> wrong

> > > and

> > > > > > > Parasara

> > > > > > > > > > was right? No, it is not so. Meenaraja was

deriving

> a

> > > > > result

> > > > > > > > based

> > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > the prime condition – Lagna lord in 5th alone.

For

> > this

> > > > > prime

> > > > > > > > > > combination Meenaraja's derivation is absolutely

> > right.

> > > > But

> > > > > > > > > > Parasara's amendment springs from his deep

> > > understanding

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > zodiac. He knew that the general statement

> regarding

> > > > lagna

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > houses may not be completely true for lagna lord

in

> > > 5th,

> > > > > due

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > essential mutually co-related nature of the signs

> > > itself.

> > > > > So

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > opinion

> > > > > > > > > > would be, `Yes, Meenaraja is right. But you know

> the

> > > > Signs

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > Zodiac, they have some specific connection to

death

> > as

> > > > far

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > is concerned. So your general derivation as

> proposed

> > by

> > > > > > > Meenaraja

> > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > not work in this case. Consider this special

nature

> > of

> > > > 5th

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > signs and modify your derivation accordingly. The

> you

> > > > will

> > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > that,

> > > > > > > > > > lagna lord in 5th can signify many bad results

such

> > as

> > > > loss

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > child and anger'. It must be this deeper

> > understanding

> > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > prompted Parasara to suggest such a result. Yes,

> > > > Meenaraja

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > right, but

> > > > > > > > > > Parasara is also not off the mark. Meenaraja is

> > > concerned

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > general logic of the derivation only, but

Parasara

> > goes

> > > > > > deeper

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > general zodiacal context. Note it - possibly in

> other

> > > > > > > situations

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > > the same could be the case - Parasara has a

better

> > > > > > > understanding

> > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > the zodiacal context, and may mix it with general

> > > result

> > > > > > > > > derivation. His

> > > > > > > > > > thought and understanding penetrates into deaths;

> and

> > > is

> > > > > more

> > > > > > > far

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > wide. He is not depended on mere logic alone - he

> is

> > > more

> > > > > > > > > practical. It

> > > > > > > > > > is because of this in-depth understanding;

Parasara

> > is

> > > > > termed

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > sage,

> > > > > > > > > > but Meenaraja a king, a scholar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > But even this understanding of Parasara view does

> not

> > > > does

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > allow me

> > > > > > > > > > to pardon him - because here to derive the result

> he

> > > > mixed

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > methods

> > > > > > > > > > of Sign-House Base result derivation, while

dealing

> > > with

> > > > > > House

> > > > > > > > Base

> > > > > > > > > > result derivation - causing confusion to the

> learner.

> > I

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > suggest

> > > > > > > > > > that, in this context, the beginners should stick

> to

> > > the

> > > > > > > cleaner

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > systematic approach proposed by Meenaraja, while

> > trying

> > > > to

> > > > > > > master

> > > > > > > > > House

> > > > > > > > > > Base result derivation technique. The deeper

> > > > possibilities

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > modification to the suggested results should

dealt

> > with

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > understood,

> > > > > > > > > > while trying to learn Sign-House Base result

> > derivation

> > > > > > > technique.

> > > > > > > > > > The 5th house signifies things such as -

children,

> > > > > > intelligence,

> > > > > > > > > > creativity, genius, stomach, belly, ministers,

> secret

> > > > hymns

> > > > > > > > recited

> > > > > > > > > etc.

> > > > > > > > > > Thus the placement of lagna lord in 5th generates

> > > special

> > > > > > > > > importance to

> > > > > > > > > > the derivations related to the same.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Extract from:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Renu ji,

Yes, sunil ji is right. Lalit ji is a good individual; the only

problem is that he is a bit emotional. Possibly the language problem

as indicated by Sunil ji was also involved in that post. He is

sprouting seed with good potential, and may be in the coming days we

may find valuable contributions from him - for astrology. Let us take

it in good spirits.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

>

> Hare ramakrishna,

>

> dear renu ji ,

>

> lalit will not insult a female because she born as

female .I

> know personaly him and is a great devotee of holi mother ,such a

> persons cannot humilate a woman according to the tradition.

>

> Only it was a laungage problem came in while writing the post

>

> rgds sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

, " renunw " <renunw@>

> wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Lalit ji,

> >

> > > " loss doesn't mean death, it may be girl child, it may be

hopeless

> > > child, it may be a child with poor health, "

> >

> >

> > Please kindly note that the above statement by you is absurd and

> > insulting. Do you consider a girl born is as similar as a hopeless

> > child?

> > Or similar to a child with poor health? I am sure this has

nothing to

> > do with gender but may be I agree with your other suggestions.

> >

> > This is the 21st century and gone are the days of the male

dominant

> > society. Don't you have a mother, a sister, a wife or a daughter?

Do

> > you think your mother was born to this world as a result of a

malefic

> > influence on the lagna lord placed in the 5H of her mother's

> horoscope?

> >

> >

> > I am sorry to write like this...but never ever forget that male

and

> > female hold equal status in this world.

> >

> > blessings

> >

> > Renu

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear zhar bird ji,

Well said! Again proves that Parasara was right. And certainly

support my genuine doubt -

==>

Parasara says that Lagna lord in 5th would make the native angry

why? Clearly any direct logic is not visible. Sun is the natural

significator f Lagna. If we are considering lagna lord in 5th as

similar to sun in 5th, then the above derivation would be justified

and possibly the lose of first child as well. But is it a correct

approach? I am doubtful. Only verifying the actual results from

charts with similar combination can shed some light on this issue.

<==

Thus for LL in 5th -

* Lose of first child: Approved and accepted as a true possibility

* Angry nature of the native: Still in doubt and demands

verification.

 

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, zhar bird

<blagomot wrote:

>

> My lagna lord is Moon in the 5th house.

> I had 2 abortions prior to birth of my only son, who also would

have died if surgery was not performed on him when he was only 6

weeks old.

> I certainly hope, my boys will have a long life, as I love him so.

> I was never called an angree or self-centered person, and I cannot

possibly see it in me either. But, of course, this is not my call to

make.

> I am fairly ambitious, but i am much more into being a good mother

to my child and into enjoying my life to the fullest.

> Please, don't forget that 5th is the house of children (including

your inner child), creativity and fun!

>

> javed khaanzada <javed_khaanzada

wrote:

> Dear Lalit and Srinadh ji,

>

> As in Parasar Hora stated:

>

> If lagna lord is in 5th, the native would be angry; will have

moderate well-being from children. The native will lose his first

child. He would be a proud individual with much self-respect and

reputation. He would be dear to the king.

>

> Mine lagna lord is Mars,which is placed in 5th house in my lagna

chart.When my wife was in 3rd month of pregnancy,she had a miss

carriage in 1993,it was our first baby,after that we have four

children,quite healthy.

>

> Regds-javed

>

>

> litsol <mlalit wrote:

> Dear Srinadh,

>

> Leave it, I m not part of ur show, where u r the only script

writer,

> director, actor, viewer and even the stage is your's.

>

> I had an impression that this is a open group where a collective

> learning may emerge to make astrology more advanced more effective

> but, I feel i was wrong in my understanding, you w'd never accept

ur

> shortcomings and w'd never take inputs from members. so i drop it.

>

> u make ur rules for ur convenience sake, act on ur rules as per ur

> convenience and you teach rules to others as per ur conveniince and

> define liberty from rules as per ur convenience.

>

> when i saw ur post, instinctively, without thinking much about

> subsequent consequences, happen to respond to you, which will never

> be there, i m a I m a easy going man, open minded person.

>

> I have no objection, carry on ur show, i m silent.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

> , " Sreenadh "

> <sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lalit ji,

> > The questions in articles are -

> > * Guidance to think.

> > * They are part of the process of thinking

> > * They are not demanding, requesting and asking someone to come

> and

> > give a ready made answer, such as " Perhaps u have not checked

> malefic

> > influence on 5'th house with horoscopes... and I will teach you

the

> > remedy, the correct results and the method to be followed " ; know

> that

> > it is to motivate thinking; it is to motivate more fuel to the

fire

> > with in; to guide others and me to learn to think itself -

> > systematically; in the way astrology demands! Note that 7-fold

> method

> > is a " Thought Tool " , a methodology for thinking. With a peaceful

> mind

> > think about it - and you will see what I mean.

> > What the questions you present in your own writeups/articles -

> you

> > will what I mean.

> > ==>

> > > if ur post is only house specific why u raise such questions

and

> > > then try to find answers,

> > <==

> > I hope the above section clarifies this. The post was 'house

> > specific' that too is right.

> > ==>

> > > u urself asked the question in ur post - " Why should lagna

> > > lord going to 5th make the native an angry and aggressive

> > > individual " and tried to understand the reason

> > <==

> > Yes, I did raise that question and tried to answer it - because

> that

> > was a result derived by Parasara and I was thinking about the

logic

> > behind it; Certainly that is related to 'House Base' derivation,

> and

> > not related to anything else.

> > Did you tried to think and find an answer to that question? Did

> you

> > checked the same in some example horoscopes and found that it

> doesn't

> > work?

> > Now let us come to your comment on the same -

> > Comment -1

> > ==>

> > > If u r doing a commentary on the ancient classics, ur approach

is

> > > right and there is lot to learn from such writings, but as

> > > far as learning is concerned, more urge to study and dissect

the

> > > obsecure cases is required.

> > <==

> > What do you mean by 'obscure cases'? Do you mean example

> horoscopes?

> > The do it yourself - and present the results! That is the way to

> go -

> > an a research approach, and we too would be benefited by that;

go

> > ahead and do it! Note that the above statement by you lacks even

> the

> > basic understanding that " the article was dealing with House Base

> > result derivation, and that too about LL in 5th " !

> > Comment -2

> > ==>

> > > same way, 5'th has connection to 11'th house, the house of

gains,

> > > this combination of lagna lord's placement in 5'th house

> > > makes a person too much ambitious, self cenetered, he is self

> > > promting so should be aggressive coz his rise is his main

> objective

> > > of the life. This is what i observed.

> > <==

> > Yah, that is good logic - and a good suggestion. But note the

last

> > statement " This is what i observed " ! We all know that you started

> > learning astrology before 5 months only. Of course you are a

> smart

> > learner, and has good logic, (I appreciate that, and happy about

> it).

> > Considering the above facts, possibly if it was something like -

> " This

> > is a better logical derivation I feel " , it would have been more

> > pleasant. Even if you have " observed " such combinations - your

> > time span of 5 months is not even enough to complete the training

> > period and clear the testing phase! :=)

> > Lalit ji, don't take all these comments personally - I love you

> very

> > much, and know well that it is rare to find such a good

potential.

> > But don't do the mistake becoming a teacher; don't do the mistake

> of

> > becoming a teacher - your experience and knowledge is not enough

> for

> > that; I have at least 8 years experience as a professional

> > astrologer, but still I am a learner and yet to become a teacher;

I

> > don't think in near future it would be possible as well; thus the

> > fact is there are no teachers in this group; and never can be.

> > We are all fellow students here - even though the amount of

> > knowledge may vary a bit from individual to individual; that is

not

> > much important. But learning to be a learner, and being a

> learner,

> > and accepting that i am a learner and that my knowledge is

limited -

>

> > IS important. We simply don't have answers to everything - and

> never

> > can be.

> > Be with me brother and give a bit credit for being elder...

> > Love and Hugs,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , " Sreenadh "

> > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit ji,

> > > Are you noticing that we are deviating from the subject?

Present

> > > your views on Lagna lord in 5th in a well written way (In

> similar

> > > discussions - Baquya ji does it - he is good; Srinivas ji does

> it;

> > > Sunil Does it; RK ji does it; similarly many more members) and

I

> > will

> > > love to see the same - whether it be from experience or from

> Logic.

> > > Second, I am NOT teaching anybody - but learning and presenting

> > > systematically - of course my experience as an astrologer, and

of

> > the

> > > books would be useful in that effort. But never expect or feel

> that

> > I

> > > am teaching - I am NOT. Everybody learns by themselves.

Everybody

> > > should try to present there sincere " understanding " " about the

> > > subject under discussion " with clarity. There is NO Teacher-

> > Learner,

> > > Master-Disciple here; But only learners - all members present

in

> > this

> > > group are humble learners of the astrological wisdom presented

by

> > > sages. I am a learner a student of them, and NOT a teacher to

> > anyone.

> > > Please understand this.

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > , " litsol "

> > > <mlalit@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Srinadh,

> > > >

> > > > Do u mean, If u r not clear somewhere or u r missing

something

> > and

> > > > someone points out to the mising point, he himself lacks the

> > > > understanding, very good approach, sorry to interrupt this

> time,

> > > now

> > > > onwards will never try to correct you.

> > > >

> > > > However,u urself asked the question in ur post - " Why should

> > lagna

> > > > lord going to 5th make the native an angry and aggressive

> > > > individual " and tried to understand the reason, if ur post is

> > only

> > > > house specific why u raise such questions and then try to

find

> > > > answers, simply i thuoght to correct ur effort with my

> > > understanding

> > > > but ur attitude is very different,So much inclination in

> teaching

> > > is

> > > > affecting ur's learning only.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lalit ji,

> > > > > Malefic effect in 5th causing many troubles is a known fact

> to

> > > all

> > > > > astrologers - no explanation is needed on the same. Knowing

> > what

> > > > > those troubles are, needs considering a lot of other

> > parameters.

> > > > > Deriving the details - which uses several methodologies

such

> as

> > > > > Bhavat Bhava Chinta, Karkat Bhava chinta, considering other

> > > > > combinations - know that there is a big distance to go and

it

> > is

> > > > not

> > > > > that simple.

> > > > > What we are doing here is not trying to reach some

> inflexible

> > > > > conclusion; or to analyze someone's horoscope; but to see

to

> > what

> > > > > extend the slokas on 'House Base' derivation technique can

> > point

> > > > to.

> > > > > Try to understand things in the context they are.

> > > > > When you are trying your own bit of logic in something -

> > present

> > > > it

> > > > > that way; Instead of saying this is right or that is wrong,

> or

> > > > > somewhere else is the crux. Present - as per your logic you

> > think

> > > > it

> > > > > could be so and so. (Don't bring in I have seen such and

such

> > in

> > > > some

> > > > > horoscope and so let us discuss that horoscope strategy as

> > well -

> > > > > that is not the way. If the same combination is present in

> some

> > > > known

> > > > > horoscope - the combination alone can be considered for

> > > > verification,

> > > > > and other feature or details of that horoscope should be

> > > neglected.

> > > > > We should stick to the context and the method of study).

Loss

> > can

> > > > > mean many things -

> > > > > * It could be abortion

> > > > > * It could untimely death of son at a later age (as in the

> > case

> > > of

> > > > > Indira Gandhi)

> > > > > * It could be a missing son Or there could be many other

> > > > > possibilities as well.

> > > > > Neither the sloka nor we are going in to that details -

> > instead

> > > > what

> > > > > we are doing is 'Trying to learn the logical background and

> > > > concepts

> > > > > used in House Base derivation by the sages; and thus trying

> to

> > > > master

> > > > > that technique' - know this well.

> > > > > ==>

> > > > > > there are chances for the entire hard work to be confined

> to

> > > mere

> > > > > > translation of some shlokas, which i think, is certainly

> not

> > > the

> > > > > > objective.

> > > > > <==

> > > > > Clearly the above words come from lack of understanding of

> > > > objective

> > > > > and strategy, of this group. Please check -

> > > > > * The previous mails on the same thread

> > > > > * The files in the files folder dealing with similar things

> > > (i.e.

> > > > > Articles related to 7-fold result derivation technique of

> > > astrology)

> > > > > * Thus instead of starting afresh were you land yourself in

> > the

> > > > > forum, create a background to deal with the subject in

hand,

> > > > > systematically.

> > > > > Note: The document regarding " Lagna lord in various houses

> was

> > > > there

> > > > > in file section for many days, and mails about file

uploading

> > > goes

> > > > to

> > > > > every member, the main thread of discussion is on the same;

> but

> > > > alas!

> > > > > the never read or refer to such files and instead depend

on

> the

> > > > > posted mails alone! No serious learner who approach

astrology

> > > > > shouldn't follow such a method. He should download and

study

> > them

> > > > > before putting in his bit - and that SHOULD BE a well

thought

> > out

> > > > > one - depicting his sincerity and earnest effort to

> understand

> > > and

> > > > > learn the path shown by the sages " . Whether such a view

> matches

> > > > with

> > > > > mine or not is irrelevant. But the contribution should be

> > > valuable -

> > > >

> > > > > coming out from research, experience and effort.

> > > > > Hope the confusion is clarified.

> > > > > Love and Hugs,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > > , " litsol "

> > > > > <mlalit@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Srinadh,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pls. tell where i m wrong in finding such shortcomings in

> > what

> > > u

> > > > > > tried to derive and explain after the translation, in

fact,

> i

> > > > saw,

> > > > > u

> > > > > > urself tried to understand what is missing, struggled a

> lot,

> > > but

> > > > > just

> > > > > > stopped before touching the crux, a gap remained is to

> cover

> > > up.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I suggested something for the betterment only.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > loss doesn't mean death, it may be girl child, it may be

> > > hopeless

> > > > > > child, it may be a child with poor health, we need to be

> more

> > > > > specific

> > > > > > while deriving the results and explaining them to group.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > be admissive and keep a holistic approach so that a right

> > > > learning

> > > > > > approach could be developed having inputs from every one,

> > > > > otherwise,

> > > > > > there are chances for the entire hardwork to be confined

to

> > > mere

> > > > > > translation of some shlokas, which i think, is certainly

> not

> > > the

> > > > > > objective.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > if u mind and dont consider what u r told, i have no

> business

> > > to

> > > > > > interrupt you, u can move on ur ways.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

, " Sreenadh "

> > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Lalit ji,

> > > > > > > Did you ever been an astrologer? I think not. Just

> simply

> > > > learn!

> > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

, " litsol "

> > > > > > > <mlalit@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Srinadh,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Perhapse u have not checked malific influence on 5'th

> > house

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > horoscopes,However, i appreciate ur efforts to

> understand

> > > the

> > > > > > > > consequences of 5'th house as well as lagna lord's

> > > placement

> > > > in

> > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > A malific influence in 5'th does not always lead to

> loss

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > child, this placement sometimes give girl child,

death

> of

> > > > child

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > extreme result which happens in cases of extreme

> > > malificance.

> > > > I

> > > > > > > > remember once u said during discussion of BB that

4'th

> > > house

> > > > > may

> > > > > > > > denote loss of child, if 4'th there are other house

as

> > well

> > > > as

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > reference to 5'th house.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If u r doing a commentary on the ancient classics, ur

> > > > approach

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > right and there is lot to learn from such writings,

but

> > as

> > > > far

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > > learning is concerned, more urge to study and dissect

> the

> > > > > > obsecure

> > > > > > > > cases is required.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > same way, 5'th has connection to 11'th house, the

house

> > of

> > > > > gains,

> > > > > > > > this combination of lagna lord's placement in 5'th

> house

> > > > makes

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > person too much ambitious, self cenetered, he is self

> > > > promting

> > > > > so

> > > > > > > > should be aggressive coz his rise is his main

objective

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > life.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This is what i observed.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> > , " Sreenadh "

> > > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The results for Lagna lord in 5th house is

> discussed

> > > > below.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ==============================================

> > > > > > > > > Lagna lord in 5th House

> > > > > > > > > -----------------------------

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th, the native would be proud

an

> > > > > > individual

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > much self-respect and reputation and a bit angry

but

> > > > > righteous

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > kind.

> > > > > > > > > He will have children. He may have moderate well-

> being

> > > from

> > > > > > > > children and

> > > > > > > > > may lose his first child as well, especially if

there

> > is

> > > > some

> > > > > > > > malefic

> > > > > > > > > influence on 5th house. He would be dear to the

> people

> > > with

> > > > > > power

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > authority. He will have good authority or

rulership

> and

> > > > will

> > > > > > > enjoy a

> > > > > > > > > good eventful and enjoyable life. Bestowed with

good

> > > > > qualities,

> > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > do many good deeds.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th, the native would be angry;

> > will

> > > > have

> > > > > > > > moderate

> > > > > > > > > well-being from children. The native will lose his

> > first

> > > > > child.

> > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > be a proud individual with much self-respect and

> > > > reputation.

> > > > > He

> > > > > > > > would be

> > > > > > > > > dear to the king.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > - Parasara Hora

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Why should lagna lord going to 5th make the native

an

> > > angry

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > aggressive individual? One of the logic behind

could

> > be -

> > > > 5th

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > from 3rd house; and Upachaya (increase) stana of

3rd

> > > house.

> > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > signify anger and possibly that is why lagna lord

in

> > 5th

> > > > > > > increases

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > anger and agitation of the native. But also not

that

> > 5th

> > > is

> > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > from 4th (simple and humble mind) making the native

a

> > > > > straight

> > > > > > > > forward

> > > > > > > > > individual. It is also mentioned in the sloka that

> the

> > > > native

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > lose

> > > > > > > > > his first child - why? The natural expectation

would

> be

> > > > that

> > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > in 5th should bestow good results for 5th, thus

> > providing

> > > > > > > children

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > happiness from children to the native. Of course if

> > lagna

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > in 5th

> > > > > > > > > is afflicted by some malefic, then it would have

> double

> > > > > impact,

> > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > the same would affect both the 5th house and the

> lagna

> > > lord

> > > > > > > > amplifying

> > > > > > > > > the possibility for bad result. Since 5th could

> signify

> > > the

> > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > > the bad result could be attributed to the first

child

> > as

> > > > > well.

> > > > > > > > Actually

> > > > > > > > > this is what we see mentioned in Meenaraja hora.

But

> > > > Parasara

> > > > > > > > provides

> > > > > > > > > no such clue about any required malefic influence

in

> > 5th

> > > > > house!

> > > > > > > We

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > wonder stuck by this derivation, and we fail to

> imagine

> > > any

> > > > > > solid

> > > > > > > > reason

> > > > > > > > > behind such a derivation in the absence of any

> malefic

> > > > > > influence

> > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > house. Another version of the same sloka is

> available,

> > > > which

> > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > provides similar results.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th, the native would be proud;

> > will

> > > > have

> > > > > > > > moderate

> > > > > > > > > well-being from children. He will lose his first

> child.

> > > He

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > angry and will have special privileges in the

king's

> > > place.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > - Parasara Hora

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Apart from minor differences this sloka gives

almost

> > same

> > > > > > results

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > above. It seems that, the loss of first child

should

> be

> > > > > > predicted

> > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > if there is a malefic influence in 5th house, since

> the

> > > > other

> > > > > > > > available

> > > > > > > > > slokas give good results concerning children if

lagna

> > > lord

> > > > is

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > house. [Note that similar to in this sloka Parasara

> > will

> > > > not

> > > > > > > mention

> > > > > > > > > `if the lagna lord is malefic and placed in x

house'

> in

> > > many

> > > > > > > > > other slokas as well. We will encounter this

writing

> > > style

> > > > > > > related

> > > > > > > > issue

> > > > > > > > > in many other instances as well] Let us see what

> > > Meenaraja

> > > > > has

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > say.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th house, the native will have

> > > > children,

> > > > > > > > righteous

> > > > > > > > > and kind. He will have good authority or rulership

> and

> > > will

> > > > > > enjoy

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > eventful and enjoyable life. Bestowed with good

> > > qualities,

> > > > he

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > many good deeds.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > - Meenaraja Hora

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In one printed version of Meenaraja Hora the word

> > Suseela

> > > > is

> > > > > > > quoted

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > Sugeeta (Good in singing). Select the proper word

> based

> > > on

> > > > > > actual

> > > > > > > > > experience observed.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Note that as per Meenaraja lagna lord in 5th

> `provides

> > > > > children'

> > > > > > > > > and does not `destroy children'. Even though

Parasara

> > > only

> > > > > says

> > > > > > > > > that `lose of first child could happen', he too

does

> > not

> > > > say

> > > > > > > > > that `the native will not have children'. If we

> combine

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > statements of both Parasara and Meenaraja the only

> > > > conclusion

> > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > could

> > > > > > > > > reach is `The native will have children, but he may

> > loss

> > > > his

> > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > child as well'. But it should be noted that the

loss

> of

> > > > first

> > > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > > does not seems to be logically supported in the

> absence

> > > of

> > > > > > malefic

> > > > > > > > > influence on 5th house - this was my initial

> inference.

> > > (An

> > > > > > > > amendment is

> > > > > > > > > proposed later) The sloka provided by Hora

Pradeepam

> is

> > > > > almost

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > as that of Meenaraja.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th house, the native will have

> > > > children,

> > > > > > > > righteous

> > > > > > > > > and kind. He will have good authority or rulership

> and

> > > will

> > > > > > enjoy

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > eventful and happy life. Bestowed with good

> qualities,

> > he

> > > > > will

> > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > good deeds.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > - Hora Pradeepam

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Parasara says that Lagna lord in 5th would make the

> > > native

> > > > > > angry -

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > why?

> > > > > > > > > Clearly any direct logic is not visible. Sun is the

> > > natural

> > > > > > > > significator

> > > > > > > > > of Lagna. If we are considering lagna lord in 5th

as

> > > > similar

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > sun

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > 5th, then the above derivation would be justified

and

> > > > > possibly

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > lose

> > > > > > > > > of first child as well. But is it a correct

approach?

> I

> > > am

> > > > > > > doubtful.

> > > > > > > > > Only verifying the actual results from charts with

> > > similar

> > > > > > > > combination

> > > > > > > > > can shed some light on this issue.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Rule 5: Lagna lord in any house should be treated

> > similar

> > > > to

> > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > house, since Sun is the natural significator of

Lagna.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am a bit doubtful about the validity of the

above

> > rule.

> > > > If

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > supported by actual results it is better to ignore

> the

> > > > above

> > > > > > > rule.

> > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > logic supplied till now does not seem to be capable

> > > enough

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > > satisfactorily explain the strong results proposed

by

> > > > > Parasara

> > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > as -

> > > > > > > > > Lagna lord in 5th causing the loss of first child;

it

> > > will

> > > > > also

> > > > > > > > make the

> > > > > > > > > native an angry individual. There should be some

> other

> > > > logic

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > > well.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > On retrospect we feel that - Parasara will not say

> > > > something

> > > > > > > > without a

> > > > > > > > > sold reason. Why should he bring planets base

result

> > (e.g.

> > > > > > > > > benefic/malefic) into it, when he was dealing with

> > House

> > > > base

> > > > > > > > > prediction? That is not logical. There could be

some

> > > other

> > > > in-

> > > > > > > depth

> > > > > > > > > reason. Yes, you are right - there is. Let us

analyze

> > all

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > possible

> > > > > > > > > houses and lagna lord in their fifth house, and

check

> > > > whether

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > can cause the loss of child -

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1) Aries lagna, lagna lord Mars in Leo: Yes, Leo is

a

> > > sign

> > > > > > > > signifying

> > > > > > > > > less children, and Mars a malefic in it can

indicate

> > loss

> > > > of

> > > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > sure.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2) Taurus lagna, lagna lord Venus in Virgo: Virgo

is

> > the

> > > > > > > > debilitation

> > > > > > > > > sign for Venus. Also not that Venus owns the

lordship

> > of

> > > > 6th

> > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > well. Thus for sure for Taurus lagna Venus in 5th

can

> > > > > indicate

> > > > > > > loss

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > child for sure.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 3) Gemini lagna, lagna lord Me in Libra: Note that

> > Venus

> > > > the

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > Libra owns the 12th house (house indicating death)

as

> > > well.

> > > > > > > > Possibly the

> > > > > > > > > combination can indicate loss or death.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 4) Cancer lagna, Moon in Scorpio: Scorpio is the

> > > > debilitation

> > > > > > > sign

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > Moon. Ofcourse the same can indicate the loss of

> child.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 5) Leo lagna, Sun in Sagittarius: Note that the

lord

> of

> > > > > > > Sagittarius

> > > > > > > > > Jupiter owns the 8th house (death) as well. Thus

> > > certainly

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > combination can indicate the loss or death of child.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 6) Virgo lagna, Me in Capricorn: The lord of

> Capricorn

> > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > owns

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > 6th house as well. Possibly the combination can

> > indicate

> > > > bad

> > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > such as loss of child - amended by the fact that

both

> > > > Mercury

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > are imbecile planets.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 7) Libra lagna, Venus in Aquarius: Note that lagna

> lord

> > > > Venus

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > the 8th lord. Certainly 8th lord is a malefic, and

a

> > > > malefic

> > > > > > > placed

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > 5th can indicate lose of child.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If you continue this analysis, you could see that

for

> > > most

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > 12

> > > > > > > > > signs, lagna lord placed in 5th can indicate the

loss

> > of

> > > > > child,

> > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > though the same does not match perfectly for

Aquarius

> > and

> > > > > > Pisces

> > > > > > > > Lagna.

> > > > > > > > > Thus it becomes clear that Parasara was not making

a

> > > > > statement

> > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > base or without understanding. His derivation

sprung

> > from

> > > > the

> > > > > > deep

> > > > > > > > > understanding that `for all the 12 signs, lagna

lord

> in

> > > 5th

> > > > > is

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > favorably placed, and this can be crystallized into

> the

> > > > brief

> > > > > > > > statement

> > > > > > > > > - lagna lord in 5th can indicate bad results such

as -

>

> > > loss

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > child and anger'. Then is it that Meenaraja was

wrong

> > and

> > > > > > Parasara

> > > > > > > > > was right? No, it is not so. Meenaraja was deriving

a

> > > > result

> > > > > > > based

> > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > the prime condition – Lagna lord in 5th alone. For

> this

> > > > prime

> > > > > > > > > combination Meenaraja's derivation is absolutely

> right.

> > > But

> > > > > > > > > Parasara's amendment springs from his deep

> > understanding

> > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > zodiac. He knew that the general statement

regarding

> > > lagna

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > houses may not be completely true for lagna lord in

> > 5th,

> > > > due

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > essential mutually co-related nature of the signs

> > itself.

> > > > So

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > opinion

> > > > > > > > > would be, `Yes, Meenaraja is right. But you know

the

> > > Signs

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > > Zodiac, they have some specific connection to

death

> as

> > > far

> > > > as

> > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > is concerned. So your general derivation as

proposed

> by

> > > > > > Meenaraja

> > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > not work in this case. Consider this special nature

> of

> > > 5th

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > signs and modify your derivation accordingly. The

you

> > > will

> > > > > see

> > > > > > > that,

> > > > > > > > > lagna lord in 5th can signify many bad results such

> as

> > > loss

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > child and anger'. It must be this deeper

> understanding

> > > which

> > > > > > > > > prompted Parasara to suggest such a result. Yes,

> > > Meenaraja

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > right, but

> > > > > > > > > Parasara is also not off the mark. Meenaraja is

> > concerned

> > > > > with

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > general logic of the derivation only, but Parasara

> goes

> > > > > deeper

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > general zodiacal context. Note it - possibly in

other

> > > > > > situations

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > the same could be the case - Parasara has a better

> > > > > > understanding

> > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > the zodiacal context, and may mix it with general

> > result

> > > > > > > > derivation. His

> > > > > > > > > thought and understanding penetrates into deaths;

and

> > is

> > > > more

> > > > > > far

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > wide. He is not depended on mere logic alone - he

is

> > more

> > > > > > > > practical. It

> > > > > > > > > is because of this in-depth understanding; Parasara

> is

> > > > termed

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > sage,

> > > > > > > > > but Meenaraja a king, a scholar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > But even this understanding of Parasara view does

not

> > > does

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > allow me

> > > > > > > > > to pardon him - because here to derive the result

he

> > > mixed

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > methods

> > > > > > > > > of Sign-House Base result derivation, while dealing

> > with

> > > > > House

> > > > > > > Base

> > > > > > > > > result derivation - causing confusion to the

learner.

> I

> > > > would

> > > > > > > > suggest

> > > > > > > > > that, in this context, the beginners should stick

to

> > the

> > > > > > cleaner

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > systematic approach proposed by Meenaraja, while

> trying

> > > to

> > > > > > master

> > > > > > > > House

> > > > > > > > > Base result derivation technique. The deeper

> > > possibilities

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > modification to the suggested results should dealt

> with

> > > and

> > > > > > > > understood,

> > > > > > > > > while trying to learn Sign-House Base result

> derivation

> > > > > > technique.

> > > > > > > > > The 5th house signifies things such as - children,

> > > > > intelligence,

> > > > > > > > > creativity, genius, stomach, belly, ministers,

secret

> > > hymns

> > > > > > > recited

> > > > > > > > etc.

> > > > > > > > > Thus the placement of lagna lord in 5th generates

> > special

> > > > > > > > importance to

> > > > > > > > > the derivations related to the same.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Extract from:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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> > > > > > > > La\

> > > > > > > > > gna%20lord%20in%20Various%20Houses.pdf

> > > > > > > > > ==============================================

> > > > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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Dear Chawan ji,

Whether such slokas are from Manusmriti, Ramacharita Manas, Valmiki

Ramayana or some where else - the fact is - even if they were

suitable (i won't agree) for that by gone past, they are not suitable

for our current age. I am with Renu ji in this argument.

+ It is always good to have a female voice in our group - to keep

us balanced. We should be thankful to her. Our male nature itself

may corrupt our impartial view - and such views as that of Renu ji

helps us to be more balanced. And to take the middle path - as Renu

ji may love to put it.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, Prathamesn Chawan

<upaoakcrest wrote:

>

> No offense... just wondering about your point on view on this

sloka...

>

> Dhol, gawanr, sudra, pasu, nari

> yeh sab tadan ke adhikari

>

> isnt from Ramcharitmanas ?

>

> Best Wishes

>

> Jagdish

>

> renunw <renunw wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil ji,

>

> I am glad if it is so and I do apologize if I had made a mistake. I

> am sure he did not intentionally mean to insult...

>

> Anyway I don't think it was a language problem. What he wrote was

> that afflicted LL in 5H could lead to a birth of a girl child, a

> sick child, a hopeless child and so on. So it is obvious that he

has

> put 'girl child' also to the same category as any other handicapped

> or unfortunate child. Don't you think it is unfair to do so? Why

> can't then an afflicted LL in 5H could give birth to a 'boy child'?

> A healthy girl is as good as a healthy boy. A girl is not born as a

> result of affliction to child giving houses!!!

>

> blessings

>

> Renu

>

> , " sunil nair "

> <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Hare ramakrishna,

> >

> > dear renu ji ,

> >

> > lalit will not insult a female because she born as

> female .I

> > know personaly him and is a great devotee of holi mother ,such a

> > persons cannot humilate a woman according to the tradition.

> >

> > Only it was a laungage problem came in while writing the post

> >

> > rgds sunil nair

> >

> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " renunw "

<renunw@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Lalit ji,

> > >

> > > > " loss doesn't mean death, it may be girl child, it may be

> hopeless

> > > > child, it may be a child with poor health, "

> > >

> > >

> > > Please kindly note that the above statement by you is absurd and

> > > insulting. Do you consider a girl born is as similar as a

> hopeless

> > > child?

> > > Or similar to a child with poor health? I am sure this has

> nothing to

> > > do with gender but may be I agree with your other suggestions.

> > >

> > > This is the 21st century and gone are the days of the male

> dominant

> > > society. Don't you have a mother, a sister, a wife or a

> daughter? Do

> > > you think your mother was born to this world as a result of a

> malefic

> > > influence on the lagna lord placed in the 5H of her mother's

> > horoscope?

> > >

> > >

> > > I am sorry to write like this...but never ever forget that male

> and

> > > female hold equal status in this world.

> > >

> > > blessings

> > >

> > > Renu

> > >

> >

 

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Dear Jagadish ji,

Indira Gandhi had Moon in 5th house - and had 2 boys but no

girls. She had Cancer Lagna and LL in 5th house Scorpio.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, Prathamesn Chawan

<upaoakcrest wrote:

>

> Moon in 5th house and you have boys ... no girls ?

>

> Hmm... interesting...

>

> Best Wishes

>

> Jagdish

>

> zhar bird <blagomot wrote:

> My lagna lord is Moon in the 5th house.

> I had 2 abortions prior to birth of my only son, who also would

have died if surgery was not performed on him when he was only 6

weeks old.

> I certainly hope, my boys will have a long life, as I love him so.

> I was never called an angree or self-centered person, and I cannot

possibly see it in me either. But, of course, this is not my call to

make.

> I am fairly ambitious, but i am much more into being a good mother

to my child and into enjoying my life to the fullest.

> Please, don't forget that 5th is the house of children (including

your inner child), creativity and fun!

>

> javed khaanzada <javed_khaanzada wrote:

> Dear Lalit and Srinadh ji,

>

> As in Parasar Hora stated:

>

> If lagna lord is in 5th, the native would be angry; will have

moderate well-being from children. The native will lose his first

child. He would be a proud individual with much self-respect and

reputation. He would be dear to the king.

>

> Mine lagna lord is Mars,which is placed in 5th house in my lagna

chart.When my wife was in 3rd month of pregnancy,she had a miss

carriage in 1993,it was our first baby,after that we have four

children,quite healthy.

>

> Regds-javed

>

>

> litsol <mlalit wrote:

> Dear Srinadh,

>

> Leave it, I m not part of ur show, where u r the only script

writer,

> director, actor, viewer and even the stage is your's.

>

> I had an impression that this is a open group where a collective

> learning may emerge to make astrology more advanced more effective

> but, I feel i was wrong in my understanding, you w'd never accept

ur

> shortcomings and w'd never take inputs from members. so i drop it.

>

> u make ur rules for ur convenience sake, act on ur rules as per ur

> convenience and you teach rules to others as per ur conveniince and

> define liberty from rules as per ur convenience.

>

> when i saw ur post, instinctively, without thinking much about

> subsequent consequences, happen to respond to you, which will never

> be there, i m a I m a easy going man, open minded person.

>

> I have no objection, carry on ur show, i m silent.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

> , " Sreenadh "

> <sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lalit ji,

> > The questions in articles are -

> > * Guidance to think.

> > * They are part of the process of thinking

> > * They are not demanding, requesting and asking someone to come

> and

> > give a ready made answer, such as " Perhaps u have not checked

> malefic

> > influence on 5'th house with horoscopes... and I will teach you

the

> > remedy, the correct results and the method to be followed " ; know

> that

> > it is to motivate thinking; it is to motivate more fuel to the

fire

> > with in; to guide others and me to learn to think itself -

> > systematically; in the way astrology demands! Note that 7-fold

> method

> > is a " Thought Tool " , a methodology for thinking. With a peaceful

> mind

> > think about it - and you will see what I mean.

> > What the questions you present in your own writeups/articles -

> you

> > will what I mean.

> > ==>

> > > if ur post is only house specific why u raise such questions

and

> > > then try to find answers,

> > <==

> > I hope the above section clarifies this. The post was 'house

> > specific' that too is right.

> > ==>

> > > u urself asked the question in ur post - " Why should lagna

> > > lord going to 5th make the native an angry and aggressive

> > > individual " and tried to understand the reason

> > <==

> > Yes, I did raise that question and tried to answer it - because

> that

> > was a result derived by Parasara and I was thinking about the

logic

> > behind it; Certainly that is related to 'House Base' derivation,

> and

> > not related to anything else.

> > Did you tried to think and find an answer to that question? Did

> you

> > checked the same in some example horoscopes and found that it

> doesn't

> > work?

> > Now let us come to your comment on the same -

> > Comment -1

> > ==>

> > > If u r doing a commentary on the ancient classics, ur approach

is

> > > right and there is lot to learn from such writings, but as

> > > far as learning is concerned, more urge to study and dissect

the

> > > obsecure cases is required.

> > <==

> > What do you mean by 'obscure cases'? Do you mean example

> horoscopes?

> > The do it yourself - and present the results! That is the way to

> go -

> > an a research approach, and we too would be benefited by that; go

> > ahead and do it! Note that the above statement by you lacks even

> the

> > basic understanding that " the article was dealing with House Base

> > result derivation, and that too about LL in 5th " !

> > Comment -2

> > ==>

> > > same way, 5'th has connection to 11'th house, the house of

gains,

> > > this combination of lagna lord's placement in 5'th house

> > > makes a person too much ambitious, self cenetered, he is self

> > > promting so should be aggressive coz his rise is his main

> objective

> > > of the life. This is what i observed.

> > <==

> > Yah, that is good logic - and a good suggestion. But note the

last

> > statement " This is what i observed " ! We all know that you started

> > learning astrology before 5 months only. Of course you are a

> smart

> > learner, and has good logic, (I appreciate that, and happy about

> it).

> > Considering the above facts, possibly if it was something like -

> " This

> > is a better logical derivation I feel " , it would have been more

> > pleasant. Even if you have " observed " such combinations - your

> > time span of 5 months is not even enough to complete the training

> > period and clear the testing phase! :=)

> > Lalit ji, don't take all these comments personally - I love you

> very

> > much, and know well that it is rare to find such a good

potential.

> > But don't do the mistake becoming a teacher; don't do the mistake

> of

> > becoming a teacher - your experience and knowledge is not enough

> for

> > that; I have at least 8 years experience as a professional

> > astrologer, but still I am a learner and yet to become a teacher;

I

> > don't think in near future it would be possible as well; thus the

> > fact is there are no teachers in this group; and never can be.

> > We are all fellow students here - even though the amount of

> > knowledge may vary a bit from individual to individual; that is

not

> > much important. But learning to be a learner, and being a

> learner,

> > and accepting that i am a learner and that my knowledge is

limited -

>

> > IS important. We simply don't have answers to everything - and

> never

> > can be.

> > Be with me brother and give a bit credit for being elder...

> > Love and Hugs,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , " Sreenadh "

> > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit ji,

> > > Are you noticing that we are deviating from the subject?

Present

> > > your views on Lagna lord in 5th in a well written way (In

> similar

> > > discussions - Baquya ji does it - he is good; Srinivas ji does

> it;

> > > Sunil Does it; RK ji does it; similarly many more members) and

I

> > will

> > > love to see the same - whether it be from experience or from

> Logic.

> > > Second, I am NOT teaching anybody - but learning and presenting

> > > systematically - of course my experience as an astrologer, and

of

> > the

> > > books would be useful in that effort. But never expect or feel

> that

> > I

> > > am teaching - I am NOT. Everybody learns by themselves.

Everybody

> > > should try to present there sincere " understanding " " about the

> > > subject under discussion " with clarity. There is NO Teacher-

> > Learner,

> > > Master-Disciple here; But only learners - all members present

in

> > this

> > > group are humble learners of the astrological wisdom presented

by

> > > sages. I am a learner a student of them, and NOT a teacher to

> > anyone.

> > > Please understand this.

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > , " litsol "

> > > <mlalit@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Srinadh,

> > > >

> > > > Do u mean, If u r not clear somewhere or u r missing

something

> > and

> > > > someone points out to the mising point, he himself lacks the

> > > > understanding, very good approach, sorry to interrupt this

> time,

> > > now

> > > > onwards will never try to correct you.

> > > >

> > > > However,u urself asked the question in ur post - " Why should

> > lagna

> > > > lord going to 5th make the native an angry and aggressive

> > > > individual " and tried to understand the reason, if ur post is

> > only

> > > > house specific why u raise such questions and then try to

find

> > > > answers, simply i thuoght to correct ur effort with my

> > > understanding

> > > > but ur attitude is very different,So much inclination in

> teaching

> > > is

> > > > affecting ur's learning only.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lalit ji,

> > > > > Malefic effect in 5th causing many troubles is a known fact

> to

> > > all

> > > > > astrologers - no explanation is needed on the same. Knowing

> > what

> > > > > those troubles are, needs considering a lot of other

> > parameters.

> > > > > Deriving the details - which uses several methodologies

such

> as

> > > > > Bhavat Bhava Chinta, Karkat Bhava chinta, considering other

> > > > > combinations - know that there is a big distance to go and

it

> > is

> > > > not

> > > > > that simple.

> > > > > What we are doing here is not trying to reach some

> inflexible

> > > > > conclusion; or to analyze someone's horoscope; but to see

to

> > what

> > > > > extend the slokas on 'House Base' derivation technique can

> > point

> > > > to.

> > > > > Try to understand things in the context they are.

> > > > > When you are trying your own bit of logic in something -

> > present

> > > > it

> > > > > that way; Instead of saying this is right or that is wrong,

> or

> > > > > somewhere else is the crux. Present - as per your logic you

> > think

> > > > it

> > > > > could be so and so. (Don't bring in I have seen such and

such

> > in

> > > > some

> > > > > horoscope and so let us discuss that horoscope strategy as

> > well -

> > > > > that is not the way. If the same combination is present in

> some

> > > > known

> > > > > horoscope - the combination alone can be considered for

> > > > verification,

> > > > > and other feature or details of that horoscope should be

> > > neglected.

> > > > > We should stick to the context and the method of study).

Loss

> > can

> > > > > mean many things -

> > > > > * It could be abortion

> > > > > * It could untimely death of son at a later age (as in the

> > case

> > > of

> > > > > Indira Gandhi)

> > > > > * It could be a missing son Or there could be many other

> > > > > possibilities as well.

> > > > > Neither the sloka nor we are going in to that details -

> > instead

> > > > what

> > > > > we are doing is 'Trying to learn the logical background and

> > > > concepts

> > > > > used in House Base derivation by the sages; and thus trying

> to

> > > > master

> > > > > that technique' - know this well.

> > > > > ==>

> > > > > > there are chances for the entire hard work to be confined

> to

> > > mere

> > > > > > translation of some shlokas, which i think, is certainly

> not

> > > the

> > > > > > objective.

> > > > > <==

> > > > > Clearly the above words come from lack of understanding of

> > > > objective

> > > > > and strategy, of this group. Please check -

> > > > > * The previous mails on the same thread

> > > > > * The files in the files folder dealing with similar things

> > > (i.e.

> > > > > Articles related to 7-fold result derivation technique of

> > > astrology)

> > > > > * Thus instead of starting afresh were you land yourself in

> > the

> > > > > forum, create a background to deal with the subject in

hand,

> > > > > systematically.

> > > > > Note: The document regarding " Lagna lord in various houses

> was

> > > > there

> > > > > in file section for many days, and mails about file

uploading

> > > goes

> > > > to

> > > > > every member, the main thread of discussion is on the same;

> but

> > > > alas!

> > > > > the never read or refer to such files and instead depend on

> the

> > > > > posted mails alone! No serious learner who approach

astrology

> > > > > shouldn't follow such a method. He should download and

study

> > them

> > > > > before putting in his bit - and that SHOULD BE a well

thought

> > out

> > > > > one - depicting his sincerity and earnest effort to

> understand

> > > and

> > > > > learn the path shown by the sages " . Whether such a view

> matches

> > > > with

> > > > > mine or not is irrelevant. But the contribution should be

> > > valuable -

> > > >

> > > > > coming out from research, experience and effort.

> > > > > Hope the confusion is clarified.

> > > > > Love and Hugs,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > > , " litsol "

> > > > > <mlalit@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Srinadh,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pls. tell where i m wrong in finding such shortcomings in

> > what

> > > u

> > > > > > tried to derive and explain after the translation, in

fact,

> i

> > > > saw,

> > > > > u

> > > > > > urself tried to understand what is missing, struggled a

> lot,

> > > but

> > > > > just

> > > > > > stopped before touching the crux, a gap remained is to

> cover

> > > up.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I suggested something for the betterment only.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > loss doesn't mean death, it may be girl child, it may be

> > > hopeless

> > > > > > child, it may be a child with poor health, we need to be

> more

> > > > > specific

> > > > > > while deriving the results and explaining them to group.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > be admissive and keep a holistic approach so that a right

> > > > learning

> > > > > > approach could be developed having inputs from every one,

> > > > > otherwise,

> > > > > > there are chances for the entire hardwork to be confined

to

> > > mere

> > > > > > translation of some shlokas, which i think, is certainly

> not

> > > the

> > > > > > objective.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > if u mind and dont consider what u r told, i have no

> business

> > > to

> > > > > > interrupt you, u can move on ur ways.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

, " Sreenadh "

> > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Lalit ji,

> > > > > > > Did you ever been an astrologer? I think not. Just

> simply

> > > > learn!

> > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

, " litsol "

> > > > > > > <mlalit@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Srinadh,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Perhapse u have not checked malific influence on 5'th

> > house

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > horoscopes,However, i appreciate ur efforts to

> understand

> > > the

> > > > > > > > consequences of 5'th house as well as lagna lord's

> > > placement

> > > > in

> > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > A malific influence in 5'th does not always lead to

> loss

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > child, this placement sometimes give girl child,

death

> of

> > > > child

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > extreme result which happens in cases of extreme

> > > malificance.

> > > > I

> > > > > > > > remember once u said during discussion of BB that

4'th

> > > house

> > > > > may

> > > > > > > > denote loss of child, if 4'th there are other house

as

> > well

> > > > as

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > reference to 5'th house.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If u r doing a commentary on the ancient classics, ur

> > > > approach

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > right and there is lot to learn from such writings,

but

> > as

> > > > far

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > > learning is concerned, more urge to study and dissect

> the

> > > > > > obsecure

> > > > > > > > cases is required.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > same way, 5'th has connection to 11'th house, the

house

> > of

> > > > > gains,

> > > > > > > > this combination of lagna lord's placement in 5'th

> house

> > > > makes

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > person too much ambitious, self cenetered, he is self

> > > > promting

> > > > > so

> > > > > > > > should be aggressive coz his rise is his main

objective

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > life.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This is what i observed.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> > , " Sreenadh "

> > > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The results for Lagna lord in 5th house is

> discussed

> > > > below.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ==============================================

> > > > > > > > > Lagna lord in 5th House

> > > > > > > > > -----------------------------

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th, the native would be proud

an

> > > > > > individual

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > much self-respect and reputation and a bit angry

but

> > > > > righteous

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > kind.

> > > > > > > > > He will have children. He may have moderate well-

> being

> > > from

> > > > > > > > children and

> > > > > > > > > may lose his first child as well, especially if

there

> > is

> > > > some

> > > > > > > > malefic

> > > > > > > > > influence on 5th house. He would be dear to the

> people

> > > with

> > > > > > power

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > authority. He will have good authority or rulership

> and

> > > > will

> > > > > > > enjoy a

> > > > > > > > > good eventful and enjoyable life. Bestowed with

good

> > > > > qualities,

> > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > do many good deeds.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th, the native would be angry;

> > will

> > > > have

> > > > > > > > moderate

> > > > > > > > > well-being from children. The native will lose his

> > first

> > > > > child.

> > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > be a proud individual with much self-respect and

> > > > reputation.

> > > > > He

> > > > > > > > would be

> > > > > > > > > dear to the king.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > - Parasara Hora

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Why should lagna lord going to 5th make the native

an

> > > angry

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > aggressive individual? One of the logic behind

could

> > be -

> > > > 5th

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > from 3rd house; and Upachaya (increase) stana of

3rd

> > > house.

> > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > signify anger and possibly that is why lagna lord

in

> > 5th

> > > > > > > increases

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > anger and agitation of the native. But also not

that

> > 5th

> > > is

> > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > from 4th (simple and humble mind) making the native

a

> > > > > straight

> > > > > > > > forward

> > > > > > > > > individual. It is also mentioned in the sloka that

> the

> > > > native

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > lose

> > > > > > > > > his first child - why? The natural expectation

would

> be

> > > > that

> > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > in 5th should bestow good results for 5th, thus

> > providing

> > > > > > > children

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > happiness from children to the native. Of course if

> > lagna

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > in 5th

> > > > > > > > > is afflicted by some malefic, then it would have

> double

> > > > > impact,

> > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > the same would affect both the 5th house and the

> lagna

> > > lord

> > > > > > > > amplifying

> > > > > > > > > the possibility for bad result. Since 5th could

> signify

> > > the

> > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > > the bad result could be attributed to the first

child

> > as

> > > > > well.

> > > > > > > > Actually

> > > > > > > > > this is what we see mentioned in Meenaraja hora.

But

> > > > Parasara

> > > > > > > > provides

> > > > > > > > > no such clue about any required malefic influence

in

> > 5th

> > > > > house!

> > > > > > > We

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > wonder stuck by this derivation, and we fail to

> imagine

> > > any

> > > > > > solid

> > > > > > > > reason

> > > > > > > > > behind such a derivation in the absence of any

> malefic

> > > > > > influence

> > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > house. Another version of the same sloka is

> available,

> > > > which

> > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > provides similar results.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th, the native would be proud;

> > will

> > > > have

> > > > > > > > moderate

> > > > > > > > > well-being from children. He will lose his first

> child.

> > > He

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > angry and will have special privileges in the

king's

> > > place.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > - Parasara Hora

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Apart from minor differences this sloka gives

almost

> > same

> > > > > > results

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > above. It seems that, the loss of first child

should

> be

> > > > > > predicted

> > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > if there is a malefic influence in 5th house, since

> the

> > > > other

> > > > > > > > available

> > > > > > > > > slokas give good results concerning children if

lagna

> > > lord

> > > > is

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > house. [Note that similar to in this sloka Parasara

> > will

> > > > not

> > > > > > > mention

> > > > > > > > > `if the lagna lord is malefic and placed in x

house'

> in

> > > many

> > > > > > > > > other slokas as well. We will encounter this

writing

> > > style

> > > > > > > related

> > > > > > > > issue

> > > > > > > > > in many other instances as well] Let us see what

> > > Meenaraja

> > > > > has

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > say.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th house, the native will have

> > > > children,

> > > > > > > > righteous

> > > > > > > > > and kind. He will have good authority or rulership

> and

> > > will

> > > > > > enjoy

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > eventful and enjoyable life. Bestowed with good

> > > qualities,

> > > > he

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > many good deeds.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > - Meenaraja Hora

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In one printed version of Meenaraja Hora the word

> > Suseela

> > > > is

> > > > > > > quoted

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > Sugeeta (Good in singing). Select the proper word

> based

> > > on

> > > > > > actual

> > > > > > > > > experience observed.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Note that as per Meenaraja lagna lord in 5th

> `provides

> > > > > children'

> > > > > > > > > and does not `destroy children'. Even though

Parasara

> > > only

> > > > > says

> > > > > > > > > that `lose of first child could happen', he too

does

> > not

> > > > say

> > > > > > > > > that `the native will not have children'. If we

> combine

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > statements of both Parasara and Meenaraja the only

> > > > conclusion

> > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > could

> > > > > > > > > reach is `The native will have children, but he may

> > loss

> > > > his

> > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > child as well'. But it should be noted that the

loss

> of

> > > > first

> > > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > > does not seems to be logically supported in the

> absence

> > > of

> > > > > > malefic

> > > > > > > > > influence on 5th house - this was my initial

> inference.

> > > (An

> > > > > > > > amendment is

> > > > > > > > > proposed later) The sloka provided by Hora

Pradeepam

> is

> > > > > almost

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > as that of Meenaraja.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th house, the native will have

> > > > children,

> > > > > > > > righteous

> > > > > > > > > and kind. He will have good authority or rulership

> and

> > > will

> > > > > > enjoy

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > eventful and happy life. Bestowed with good

> qualities,

> > he

> > > > > will

> > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > good deeds.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > - Hora Pradeepam

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Parasara says that Lagna lord in 5th would make the

> > > native

> > > > > > angry -

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > why?

> > > > > > > > > Clearly any direct logic is not visible. Sun is the

> > > natural

> > > > > > > > significator

> > > > > > > > > of Lagna. If we are considering lagna lord in 5th

as

> > > > similar

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > sun

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > 5th, then the above derivation would be justified

and

> > > > > possibly

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > lose

> > > > > > > > > of first child as well. But is it a correct

approach?

> I

> > > am

> > > > > > > doubtful.

> > > > > > > > > Only verifying the actual results from charts with

> > > similar

> > > > > > > > combination

> > > > > > > > > can shed some light on this issue.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Rule 5: Lagna lord in any house should be treated

> > similar

> > > > to

> > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > house, since Sun is the natural significator of

Lagna.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am a bit doubtful about the validity of the above

> > rule.

> > > > If

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > supported by actual results it is better to ignore

> the

> > > > above

> > > > > > > rule.

> > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > logic supplied till now does not seem to be capable

> > > enough

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > > satisfactorily explain the strong results proposed

by

> > > > > Parasara

> > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > as -

> > > > > > > > > Lagna lord in 5th causing the loss of first child;

it

> > > will

> > > > > also

> > > > > > > > make the

> > > > > > > > > native an angry individual. There should be some

> other

> > > > logic

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > > well.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > On retrospect we feel that - Parasara will not say

> > > > something

> > > > > > > > without a

> > > > > > > > > sold reason. Why should he bring planets base

result

> > (e.g.

> > > > > > > > > benefic/malefic) into it, when he was dealing with

> > House

> > > > base

> > > > > > > > > prediction? That is not logical. There could be

some

> > > other

> > > > in-

> > > > > > > depth

> > > > > > > > > reason. Yes, you are right - there is. Let us

analyze

> > all

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > possible

> > > > > > > > > houses and lagna lord in their fifth house, and

check

> > > > whether

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > can cause the loss of child -

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1) Aries lagna, lagna lord Mars in Leo: Yes, Leo is

a

> > > sign

> > > > > > > > signifying

> > > > > > > > > less children, and Mars a malefic in it can

indicate

> > loss

> > > > of

> > > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > sure.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2) Taurus lagna, lagna lord Venus in Virgo: Virgo

is

> > the

> > > > > > > > debilitation

> > > > > > > > > sign for Venus. Also not that Venus owns the

lordship

> > of

> > > > 6th

> > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > well. Thus for sure for Taurus lagna Venus in 5th

can

> > > > > indicate

> > > > > > > loss

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > child for sure.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 3) Gemini lagna, lagna lord Me in Libra: Note that

> > Venus

> > > > the

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > Libra owns the 12th house (house indicating death)

as

> > > well.

> > > > > > > > Possibly the

> > > > > > > > > combination can indicate loss or death.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 4) Cancer lagna, Moon in Scorpio: Scorpio is the

> > > > debilitation

> > > > > > > sign

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > Moon. Ofcourse the same can indicate the loss of

> child.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 5) Leo lagna, Sun in Sagittarius: Note that the

lord

> of

> > > > > > > Sagittarius

> > > > > > > > > Jupiter owns the 8th house (death) as well. Thus

> > > certainly

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > combination can indicate the loss or death of child.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 6) Virgo lagna, Me in Capricorn: The lord of

> Capricorn

> > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > owns

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > 6th house as well. Possibly the combination can

> > indicate

> > > > bad

> > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > such as loss of child - amended by the fact that

both

> > > > Mercury

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > are imbecile planets.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 7) Libra lagna, Venus in Aquarius: Note that lagna

> lord

> > > > Venus

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > the 8th lord. Certainly 8th lord is a malefic, and

a

> > > > malefic

> > > > > > > placed

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > 5th can indicate lose of child.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If you continue this analysis, you could see that

for

> > > most

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > 12

> > > > > > > > > signs, lagna lord placed in 5th can indicate the

loss

> > of

> > > > > child,

> > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > though the same does not match perfectly for

Aquarius

> > and

> > > > > > Pisces

> > > > > > > > Lagna.

> > > > > > > > > Thus it becomes clear that Parasara was not making

a

> > > > > statement

> > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > base or without understanding. His derivation

sprung

> > from

> > > > the

> > > > > > deep

> > > > > > > > > understanding that `for all the 12 signs, lagna

lord

> in

> > > 5th

> > > > > is

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > favorably placed, and this can be crystallized into

> the

> > > > brief

> > > > > > > > statement

> > > > > > > > > - lagna lord in 5th can indicate bad results such

as -

>

> > > loss

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > child and anger'. Then is it that Meenaraja was

wrong

> > and

> > > > > > Parasara

> > > > > > > > > was right? No, it is not so. Meenaraja was deriving

a

> > > > result

> > > > > > > based

> > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > the prime condition – Lagna lord in 5th alone. For

> this

> > > > prime

> > > > > > > > > combination Meenaraja's derivation is absolutely

> right.

> > > But

> > > > > > > > > Parasara's amendment springs from his deep

> > understanding

> > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > zodiac. He knew that the general statement

regarding

> > > lagna

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > houses may not be completely true for lagna lord in

> > 5th,

> > > > due

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > essential mutually co-related nature of the signs

> > itself.

> > > > So

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > opinion

> > > > > > > > > would be, `Yes, Meenaraja is right. But you know

the

> > > Signs

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > > Zodiac, they have some specific connection to death

> as

> > > far

> > > > as

> > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > is concerned. So your general derivation as

proposed

> by

> > > > > > Meenaraja

> > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > not work in this case. Consider this special nature

> of

> > > 5th

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > signs and modify your derivation accordingly. The

you

> > > will

> > > > > see

> > > > > > > that,

> > > > > > > > > lagna lord in 5th can signify many bad results such

> as

> > > loss

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > child and anger'. It must be this deeper

> understanding

> > > which

> > > > > > > > > prompted Parasara to suggest such a result. Yes,

> > > Meenaraja

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > right, but

> > > > > > > > > Parasara is also not off the mark. Meenaraja is

> > concerned

> > > > > with

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > general logic of the derivation only, but Parasara

> goes

> > > > > deeper

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > general zodiacal context. Note it - possibly in

other

> > > > > > situations

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > the same could be the case - Parasara has a better

> > > > > > understanding

> > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > the zodiacal context, and may mix it with general

> > result

> > > > > > > > derivation. His

> > > > > > > > > thought and understanding penetrates into deaths;

and

> > is

> > > > more

> > > > > > far

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > wide. He is not depended on mere logic alone - he

is

> > more

> > > > > > > > practical. It

> > > > > > > > > is because of this in-depth understanding; Parasara

> is

> > > > termed

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > sage,

> > > > > > > > > but Meenaraja a king, a scholar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > But even this understanding of Parasara view does

not

> > > does

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > allow me

> > > > > > > > > to pardon him - because here to derive the result

he

> > > mixed

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > methods

> > > > > > > > > of Sign-House Base result derivation, while dealing

> > with

> > > > > House

> > > > > > > Base

> > > > > > > > > result derivation - causing confusion to the

learner.

> I

> > > > would

> > > > > > > > suggest

> > > > > > > > > that, in this context, the beginners should stick

to

> > the

> > > > > > cleaner

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > systematic approach proposed by Meenaraja, while

> trying

> > > to

> > > > > > master

> > > > > > > > House

> > > > > > > > > Base result derivation technique. The deeper

> > > possibilities

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > modification to the suggested results should dealt

> with

> > > and

> > > > > > > > understood,

> > > > > > > > > while trying to learn Sign-House Base result

> derivation

> > > > > > technique.

> > > > > > > > > The 5th house signifies things such as - children,

> > > > > intelligence,

> > > > > > > > > creativity, genius, stomach, belly, ministers,

secret

> > > hymns

> > > > > > > recited

> > > > > > > > etc.

> > > > > > > > > Thus the placement of lagna lord in 5th generates

> > special

> > > > > > > > importance to

> > > > > > > > > the derivations related to the same.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Extract from:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

Sreenadh/

> > > > > > > > La\

> > > > > > > > > gna%20lord%20in%20Various%20Houses.pdf

> > > > > > > > > ==============================================

> > > > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Dear Sunil ji,

Possibly Females are better than Males - They can become pregnant

and give birth to the next generation which males can not. They are

more resistant to disease, got better longevity compared to men, more

flexible to the life circumstances and lives in the moment (a better

chance to become enlightened?), can enjoy sex in a better and in

depth way than men (males are afraid of this capability of females)

as so on. May be they are better placed in the ladder of evolution -

with all that compassion, love, kindness and affection.

So let us have a compromise in our benefit - 50:50, Renu ji - OK?

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

>

> Hare ramakrishna

>

> dear renu ji ,

>

> Females are more immune and strong to resist any diseases may

be

> rishis conveying this message .And lalit is speaking from his

experince

> of the charts he has seen .I dont think purposeful offence involved

> here.

>

> See any species females are more than males ,I think if birth

control

> meausres and gender determination techniqs may be this theorey may

not

> work in humans.

>

> And lord siva has given half f his body to his better half and he

become

> ardha nariswara ,so we surely assume that rishis were not thinking

the

> way we r thinking but our launage has descriptionsies and we hav

passed

> tru various times in history .It is mainly the extentinal attacks

and

> subsequent plundering has contributed to it.

>

> with regrds

>

> sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

>

>

> , " renunw " <renunw@>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Sunil ji,

> >

> > I am glad if it is so and I do apologize if I had made a mistake.

I

> > am sure he did not intentionally mean to insult...

> >

> > Anyway I don't think it was a language problem. What he wrote was

> > that afflicted LL in 5H could lead to a birth of a girl child, a

> > sick child, a hopeless child and so on. So it is obvious that he

has

> > put 'girl child' also to the same category as any other

handicapped

> > or unfortunate child. Don't you think it is unfair to do so? Why

> > can't then an afflicted LL in 5H could give birth to a 'boy

child'?

> > A healthy girl is as good as a healthy boy. A girl is not born as

a

> > result of affliction to child giving houses!!!

> >

> > blessings

> >

> > Renu

> >

> > , " sunil nair "

> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Hare ramakrishna,

> > >

> > > dear renu ji ,

> > >

> > > lalit will not insult a female because she born as

> > female .I

> > > know personaly him and is a great devotee of holi mother ,such a

> > > persons cannot humilate a woman according to the tradition.

> > >

> > > Only it was a laungage problem came in while writing the post

> > >

> > > rgds sunil nair

> > >

> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " renunw "

<renunw@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Lalit ji,

> > > >

> > > > > " loss doesn't mean death, it may be girl child, it may be

> > hopeless

> > > > > child, it may be a child with poor health, "

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Please kindly note that the above statement by you is absurd

and

> > > > insulting. Do you consider a girl born is as similar as a

> > hopeless

> > > > child?

> > > > Or similar to a child with poor health? I am sure this has

> > nothing to

> > > > do with gender but may be I agree with your other suggestions.

> > > >

> > > > This is the 21st century and gone are the days of the male

> > dominant

> > > > society. Don't you have a mother, a sister, a wife or a

> > daughter? Do

> > > > you think your mother was born to this world as a result of a

> > malefic

> > > > influence on the lagna lord placed in the 5H of her mother's

> > > horoscope?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I am sorry to write like this...but never ever forget that

male

> > and

> > > > female hold equal status in this world.

> > > >

> > > > blessings

> > > >

> > > > Renu

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Well said! Agreed!

Love,

Sreenadh

, " renunw "

<renunw wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil ji,

>

> Thanks for your concern and attempted but clever calrification!! I

> agree Lalit ji did not write this intentionally. No hard feelings

> with anyone. Everybody is free to express their perceptions.

>

> Whether he was speaking through experience or not was not confirmed

> in that posting. I only wanted to point out that it was not fair to

> say so. It doesn't affect me personally at all. But from what I

have

> learnt and heard, a baby girl born to Indian parents is not

> considered as an auspiscious event. [May be I am wrong. You can

> enlighten me on this....] This attitude prevails in Sri Lanka too,

> but not very much now. So may be such unintended but absurd

> statements are written on that basis. I hate to see this attitude

> towards women still prevailing in the Indian sub continent! I am

> sure most of you in this forum think more liberally..

>

> One may say that this is irrelevant to the current thread. But

then,

> one might be misled by such unconfirmed assumptions regarding

> planetary placemtns.

>

> blessings

>

> Renu

>

>

>

>

>

> , " sunil nair "

> <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Hare ramakrishna

> >

> > dear renu ji ,

> >

> > Females are more immune and strong to resist any diseases

may

> be

> > rishis conveying this message .And lalit is speaking from his

> experince

> > of the charts he has seen .I dont think purposeful offence

involved

> > here.

> >

> > See any species females are more than males ,I think if birth

> control

> > meausres and gender determination techniqs may be this theorey

may

> not

> > work in humans.

> >

> > And lord siva has given half f his body to his better half and he

> become

> > ardha nariswara ,so we surely assume that rishis were not

thinking

> the

> > way we r thinking but our launage has descriptionsies and we hav

> passed

> > tru various times in history .It is mainly the extentinal attacks

> and

> > subsequent plundering has contributed to it.

> >

> > with regrds

> >

> > sunil nair

> >

> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> >

> >

> > , " renunw "

<renunw@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil ji,

> > >

> > > I am glad if it is so and I do apologize if I had made a

> mistake. I

> > > am sure he did not intentionally mean to insult...

> > >

> > > Anyway I don't think it was a language problem. What he wrote

was

> > > that afflicted LL in 5H could lead to a birth of a girl child, a

> > > sick child, a hopeless child and so on. So it is obvious that

he

> has

> > > put 'girl child' also to the same category as any other

> handicapped

> > > or unfortunate child. Don't you think it is unfair to do so? Why

> > > can't then an afflicted LL in 5H could give birth to a 'boy

> child'?

> > > A healthy girl is as good as a healthy boy. A girl is not born

> as a

> > > result of affliction to child giving houses!!!

> > >

> > > blessings

> > >

> > > Renu

> > >

> > > , " sunil nair "

> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hare ramakrishna,

> > > >

> > > > dear renu ji ,

> > > >

> > > > lalit will not insult a female because she born as

> > > female .I

> > > > know personaly him and is a great devotee of holi

mother ,such

> a

> > > > persons cannot humilate a woman according to the tradition.

> > > >

> > > > Only it was a laungage problem came in while writing the post

> > > >

> > > > rgds sunil nair

> > > >

> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " renunw "

> <renunw@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Lalit ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > > " loss doesn't mean death, it may be girl child, it may be

> > > hopeless

> > > > > > child, it may be a child with poor health, "

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Please kindly note that the above statement by you is

absurd

> and

> > > > > insulting. Do you consider a girl born is as similar as a

> > > hopeless

> > > > > child?

> > > > > Or similar to a child with poor health? I am sure this has

> > > nothing to

> > > > > do with gender but may be I agree with your other

> suggestions.

> > > > >

> > > > > This is the 21st century and gone are the days of the male

> > > dominant

> > > > > society. Don't you have a mother, a sister, a wife or a

> > > daughter? Do

> > > > > you think your mother was born to this world as a result of

a

> > > malefic

> > > > > influence on the lagna lord placed in the 5H of her mother's

> > > > horoscope?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I am sorry to write like this...but never ever forget that

> male

> > > and

> > > > > female hold equal status in this world.

> > > > >

> > > > > blessings

> > > > >

> > > > > Renu

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Lalit ji,

You said-

==>

The analysis u did for me, with the help of prashna was bit by bit

wrong and the story of affairs which was cooked up in the analysis

was not there, how, will tell, I have been in touch with a girl, had

some liking for her, and during the period when u mentioned the

relationship may die as 7'th lord is going to 8'th house, the

relationship took a favorable nice turn, Sunil ji is aware of the

incident, u can ask him.

<==

Well It was a Prasna - and u know it can not be. Don't create

arguments just for argument sake. The Prasna you were mentioning,

was not the one requested by you -

* You send a mail, the prasna happened (based on the time I received

your mail), and it turned out to be absolutely true reflecting your

situation. I am satisfied with that.

==>

> On the one hand u remember so many shlokas and on the other hand

> things r behind the smoke screen, why ?

<==

Did you mean to say that I accumulated the data about you from any

where else - just to satisfy you in that Prasna?!! Lol.. Don't be so

absurd, I don't have that much free time. Also note that if you

argue so - you are pointing the finger of doubt toward Sunil ji. Did

you think -

* Yah, it must be Sunil ji who told him all about me. Or that

* He must have collected all that info by searching my previous

conversations in all the groups

Or so?!

Just learn the basics of astrology itself dear one - and look at

that Prasana chart -

* Tula Lagna, 7th lord in 8th, exchange between LL and 10th lord,

9th lord in 12 in own house.

If you can not judge or derive results from such simple and evident

combinations (which actually reflect the query at hand and makes us

wonder), what you are trying to achieve in astrology?!!

* Yes, Systematically learning astrology is the first thing to

achieve for you - in astrology. Try to do that.

==>

> entire horoscope is required to be seen and several horoscopes are

> required to reach a conclusion

<==

Hope you will come out this confusion. Note that -

* ideal conditions never exists

* all the variables are never under control

* all the variables are never known - and can not be

* The real solution has to come up from the limited number of known

variables in practical condition.

May be the realization of the existence of these prime facts may

help you in learning astrology as well.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, " litsol "

<mlalit wrote:

>

> Dear Srinadh,

>

> last mail to you -

>

> The analysis u did for me, with the help of prashna was bit by bit

> wrong and the story of affairs which was cooked up in the analysis

> was not there, how, will tell,I have been in touch with a girl, had

> some liking for her, and during the period when u mentioned the

> relationship may die as 7'th lord is going to 8'th house, the

> relationship took a favorable nice turn, Sunil ji is aware of the

> incident, u can ask him.

>

> On the one hand u remember so many shlokas and on the other hand

> things r behind the smoke screen, why ?

>

> I wanted to indicate the bottlenecks and loopholes in ur approach

of

> understanding the astrology, but it looks u r a person who likes to

> show shortcoming in approach as strength or a quality attribute of

> the approach, leave it, I thought there is collective learning in

the

> group, that's why i interrupted you, my idea was, firstly u w'd

> translate and then every one will give their inputs, as u r very

much

> closed to ur writing and looks sensitive also, there is no point in

> interacting with u, same way i can also be wrong, i m, but i m open

> to see where i m wrong, i w'd welcome if i m told i m wrong here

coz

> i m not a show master.

>

> regarding miscarriage, i didn't negate the possibilities, but added

> other possibilities along with that, why that happened to someone

> will have to be understood in entirety, the case given has two

> points -

>

> 1. lagna lord in 5'th

> 2. mars (malific) in 5'th

>

> which is causing the problem, entire horoscope is required to be

seen

> and several horoscopes are required to reach a conclusion.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

, " Sreenadh "

> <sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Javed ji,

> > Yes, that shows that Parasara was right - and Lalit's effort to

> > mixing too much water into it such as the following was wrong.

> > ==>

> > A malefic influence in 5'th does not always lead to loss of the

> first

> > child, this placement sometimes give girl child, death of child

is

> an

> > extreme result which happens in cases of extreme maleificance.

> > <==

> > Hope Lalit ji will take it as a lesson - and see the slokas put

> > forward by the sages with more trust.

> > ==>

> > > Mine lagna lord is Mars, which is placed in 5th house in my

> > lagna chart. When my wife was in 3rd month of pregnancy, she had

a

> > miss carriage in 1993,it was our first baby, after that we have

> four

> > children, quite healthy.

> > <==

> > Yes, it seems that Parasara was well aware of the contextual

> > importance of signs for LL in placement in 5th for all the

houses.

> > Note that except for Aquarius and possibly for Pisces, for all

the

> > other houses 'LL in 5th' got some association with its sign of

> > debilitation or 8th house or 12th house.

> > But still i am a bit in dis-satisfied by the fact that Parasara

> > considered or mixed 'Sign-Hous Base' result while dealing

> with 'House-

> > Base' result derivation technique.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , javed khaanzada

> > <javed_khaanzada@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit and Srinadh ji,

> > >

> > > As in Parasar Hora stated:

> > >

> > > If lagna lord is in 5th, the native would be angry; will have

> > moderate well-being from children. The native will lose his first

> > child. He would be a proud individual with much self-respect and

> > reputation. He would be dear to the king.

> > >

> > > Mine lagna lord is Mars,which is placed in 5th house in my

> lagna

> > chart.When my wife was in 3rd month of pregnancy,she had a miss

> > carriage in 1993,it was our first baby,after that we have four

> > children,quite healthy.

> > >

> > > Regds-javed

> > >

> > >

> > > litsol <mlalit@> wrote:

> > > Dear Srinadh,

> > >

> > > Leave it, I m not part of ur show, where u r the only script

> > writer,

> > > director, actor, viewer and even the stage is your's.

> > >

> > > I had an impression that this is a open group where a

collective

> > > learning may emerge to make astrology more advanced more

> effective

> > > but, I feel i was wrong in my understanding, you w'd never

accept

> > ur

> > > shortcomings and w'd never take inputs from members. so i drop

it.

> > >

> > > u make ur rules for ur convenience sake, act on ur rules as per

> ur

> > > convenience and you teach rules to others as per ur conveniince

> and

> > > define liberty from rules as per ur convenience.

> > >

> > > when i saw ur post, instinctively, without thinking much about

> > > subsequent consequences, happen to respond to you, which will

> never

> > > be there, i m a I m a easy going man, open minded person.

> > >

> > > I have no objection, carry on ur show, i m silent.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lalit ji,

> > > > The questions in articles are -

> > > > * Guidance to think.

> > > > * They are part of the process of thinking

> > > > * They are not demanding, requesting and asking someone to

come

> > > and

> > > > give a ready made answer, such as " Perhaps u have not checked

> > > malefic

> > > > influence on 5'th house with horoscopes... and I will teach

you

> > the

> > > > remedy, the correct results and the method to be followed " ;

> know

> > > that

> > > > it is to motivate thinking; it is to motivate more fuel to

the

> > fire

> > > > with in; to guide others and me to learn to think itself -

> > > > systematically; in the way astrology demands! Note that 7-

fold

> > > method

> > > > is a " Thought Tool " , a methodology for thinking. With a

> peaceful

> > > mind

> > > > think about it - and you will see what I mean.

> > > > What the questions you present in your own writeups/articles -

 

> > > you

> > > > will what I mean.

> > > > ==>

> > > > > if ur post is only house specific why u raise such

questions

> > and

> > > > > then try to find answers,

> > > > <==

> > > > I hope the above section clarifies this. The post was 'house

> > > > specific' that too is right.

> > > > ==>

> > > > > u urself asked the question in ur post - " Why should lagna

> > > > > lord going to 5th make the native an angry and aggressive

> > > > > individual " and tried to understand the reason

> > > > <==

> > > > Yes, I did raise that question and tried to answer it -

because

> > > that

> > > > was a result derived by Parasara and I was thinking about the

> > logic

> > > > behind it; Certainly that is related to 'House Base'

> derivation,

> > > and

> > > > not related to anything else.

> > > > Did you tried to think and find an answer to that question?

Did

> > > you

> > > > checked the same in some example horoscopes and found that it

> > > doesn't

> > > > work?

> > > > Now let us come to your comment on the same -

> > > > Comment -1

> > > > ==>

> > > > > If u r doing a commentary on the ancient classics, ur

> approach

> > is

> > > > > right and there is lot to learn from such writings, but as

> > > > > far as learning is concerned, more urge to study and

dissect

> > the

> > > > > obsecure cases is required.

> > > > <==

> > > > What do you mean by 'obscure cases'? Do you mean example

> > > horoscopes?

> > > > The do it yourself - and present the results! That is the way

> to

> > > go -

> > > > an a research approach, and we too would be benefited by

that;

> go

> > > > ahead and do it! Note that the above statement by you lacks

> even

> > > the

> > > > basic understanding that " the article was dealing with House

> Base

> > > > result derivation, and that too about LL in 5th " !

> > > > Comment -2

> > > > ==>

> > > > > same way, 5'th has connection to 11'th house, the house of

> > gains,

> > > > > this combination of lagna lord's placement in 5'th house

> > > > > makes a person too much ambitious, self cenetered, he is

self

> > > > > promting so should be aggressive coz his rise is his main

> > > objective

> > > > > of the life. This is what i observed.

> > > > <==

> > > > Yah, that is good logic - and a good suggestion. But note the

> > last

> > > > statement " This is what i observed " ! We all know that you

> started

> > > > learning astrology before 5 months only. Of course you are

a

> > > smart

> > > > learner, and has good logic, (I appreciate that, and happy

> about

> > > it).

> > > > Considering the above facts, possibly if it was something

like -

> > > " This

> > > > is a better logical derivation I feel " , it would have been

more

> > > > pleasant. Even if you have " observed " such combinations -

> your

> > > > time span of 5 months is not even enough to complete the

> training

> > > > period and clear the testing phase! :=)

> > > > Lalit ji, don't take all these comments personally - I love

you

> > > very

> > > > much, and know well that it is rare to find such a good

> > potential.

> > > > But don't do the mistake becoming a teacher; don't do the

> mistake

> > > of

> > > > becoming a teacher - your experience and knowledge is not

> enough

> > > for

> > > > that; I have at least 8 years experience as a professional

> > > > astrologer, but still I am a learner and yet to become a

> teacher;

> > I

> > > > don't think in near future it would be possible as well; thus

> the

> > > > fact is there are no teachers in this group; and never can

be.

> > > > We are all fellow students here - even though the amount of

> > > > knowledge may vary a bit from individual to individual; that

is

> > not

> > > > much important. But learning to be a learner, and being a

> > > learner,

> > > > and accepting that i am a learner and that my knowledge is

> > limited -

> > >

> > > > IS important. We simply don't have answers to everything -

and

> > > never

> > > > can be.

> > > > Be with me brother and give a bit credit for being elder...

> > > > Love and Hugs,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lalit ji,

> > > > > Are you noticing that we are deviating from the subject?

> > Present

> > > > > your views on Lagna lord in 5th in a well written way (In

> > > similar

> > > > > discussions - Baquya ji does it - he is good; Srinivas ji

> does

> > > it;

> > > > > Sunil Does it; RK ji does it; similarly many more members)

> and

> > I

> > > > will

> > > > > love to see the same - whether it be from experience or

from

> > > Logic.

> > > > > Second, I am NOT teaching anybody - but learning and

> presenting

> > > > > systematically - of course my experience as an astrologer,

> and

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > books would be useful in that effort. But never expect or

> feel

> > > that

> > > > I

> > > > > am teaching - I am NOT. Everybody learns by themselves.

> > Everybody

> > > > > should try to present there sincere " understanding " " about

> the

> > > > > subject under discussion " with clarity. There is NO Teacher-

> > > > Learner,

> > > > > Master-Disciple here; But only learners - all members

present

> > in

> > > > this

> > > > > group are humble learners of the astrological wisdom

> presented

> > by

> > > > > sages. I am a learner a student of them, and NOT a teacher

to

> > > > anyone.

> > > > > Please understand this.

> > > > > Love,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > > , " litsol "

> > > > > <mlalit@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Srinadh,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Do u mean, If u r not clear somewhere or u r missing

> > something

> > > > and

> > > > > > someone points out to the mising point, he himself lacks

> the

> > > > > > understanding, very good approach, sorry to interrupt

this

> > > time,

> > > > > now

> > > > > > onwards will never try to correct you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However,u urself asked the question in ur post - " Why

> should

> > > > lagna

> > > > > > lord going to 5th make the native an angry and aggressive

> > > > > > individual " and tried to understand the reason, if ur

post

> is

> > > > only

> > > > > > house specific why u raise such questions and then try to

> > find

> > > > > > answers, simply i thuoght to correct ur effort with my

> > > > > understanding

> > > > > > but ur attitude is very different,So much inclination in

> > > teaching

> > > > > is

> > > > > > affecting ur's learning only.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

, " Sreenadh "

> > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Lalit ji,

> > > > > > > Malefic effect in 5th causing many troubles is a known

> fact

> > > to

> > > > > all

> > > > > > > astrologers - no explanation is needed on the same.

> Knowing

> > > > what

> > > > > > > those troubles are, needs considering a lot of other

> > > > parameters.

> > > > > > > Deriving the details - which uses several methodologies

> > such

> > > as

> > > > > > > Bhavat Bhava Chinta, Karkat Bhava chinta, considering

> other

> > > > > > > combinations - know that there is a big distance to go

> and

> > it

> > > > is

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > that simple.

> > > > > > > What we are doing here is not trying to reach some

> > > inflexible

> > > > > > > conclusion; or to analyze someone's horoscope; but to

see

> > to

> > > > what

> > > > > > > extend the slokas on 'House Base' derivation technique

> can

> > > > point

> > > > > > to.

> > > > > > > Try to understand things in the context they are.

> > > > > > > When you are trying your own bit of logic in something -

 

> > > > present

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > that way; Instead of saying this is right or that is

> wrong,

> > > or

> > > > > > > somewhere else is the crux. Present - as per your logic

> you

> > > > think

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > could be so and so. (Don't bring in I have seen such

and

> > such

> > > > in

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > horoscope and so let us discuss that horoscope strategy

> as

> > > > well -

> > > > > > > that is not the way. If the same combination is present

> in

> > > some

> > > > > > known

> > > > > > > horoscope - the combination alone can be considered for

> > > > > > verification,

> > > > > > > and other feature or details of that horoscope should

be

> > > > > neglected.

> > > > > > > We should stick to the context and the method of

study).

> > Loss

> > > > can

> > > > > > > mean many things -

> > > > > > > * It could be abortion

> > > > > > > * It could untimely death of son at a later age (as in

> the

> > > > case

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > Indira Gandhi)

> > > > > > > * It could be a missing son Or there could be many

other

> > > > > > > possibilities as well.

> > > > > > > Neither the sloka nor we are going in to that details -

> > > > instead

> > > > > > what

> > > > > > > we are doing is 'Trying to learn the logical background

> and

> > > > > > concepts

> > > > > > > used in House Base derivation by the sages; and thus

> trying

> > > to

> > > > > > master

> > > > > > > that technique' - know this well.

> > > > > > > ==>

> > > > > > > > there are chances for the entire hard work to be

> confined

> > > to

> > > > > mere

> > > > > > > > translation of some shlokas, which i think, is

> certainly

> > > not

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > objective.

> > > > > > > <==

> > > > > > > Clearly the above words come from lack of understanding

> of

> > > > > > objective

> > > > > > > and strategy, of this group. Please check -

> > > > > > > * The previous mails on the same thread

> > > > > > > * The files in the files folder dealing with similar

> things

> > > > > (i.e.

> > > > > > > Articles related to 7-fold result derivation technique

of

> > > > > astrology)

> > > > > > > * Thus instead of starting afresh were you land

yourself

> in

> > > > the

> > > > > > > forum, create a background to deal with the subject in

> > hand,

> > > > > > > systematically.

> > > > > > > Note: The document regarding " Lagna lord in various

> houses

> > > was

> > > > > > there

> > > > > > > in file section for many days, and mails about file

> > uploading

> > > > > goes

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > every member, the main thread of discussion is on the

> same;

> > > but

> > > > > > alas!

> > > > > > > the never read or refer to such files and instead

depend

> on

> > > the

> > > > > > > posted mails alone! No serious learner who approach

> > astrology

> > > > > > > shouldn't follow such a method. He should download and

> > study

> > > > them

> > > > > > > before putting in his bit - and that SHOULD BE a well

> > thought

> > > > out

> > > > > > > one - depicting his sincerity and earnest effort to

> > > understand

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > learn the path shown by the sages " . Whether such a view

> > > matches

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > mine or not is irrelevant. But the contribution should

be

> > > > > valuable -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > coming out from research, experience and effort.

> > > > > > > Hope the confusion is clarified.

> > > > > > > Love and Hugs,

> > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

, " litsol "

> > > > > > > <mlalit@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Srinadh,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pls. tell where i m wrong in finding such

shortcomings

> in

> > > > what

> > > > > u

> > > > > > > > tried to derive and explain after the translation, in

> > fact,

> > > i

> > > > > > saw,

> > > > > > > u

> > > > > > > > urself tried to understand what is missing, struggled

a

> > > lot,

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > stopped before touching the crux, a gap remained is

to

> > > cover

> > > > > up.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I suggested something for the betterment only.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > loss doesn't mean death, it may be girl child, it may

> be

> > > > > hopeless

> > > > > > > > child, it may be a child with poor health, we need to

> be

> > > more

> > > > > > > specific

> > > > > > > > while deriving the results and explaining them to

group.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > be admissive and keep a holistic approach so that a

> right

> > > > > > learning

> > > > > > > > approach could be developed having inputs from every

> one,

> > > > > > > otherwise,

> > > > > > > > there are chances for the entire hardwork to be

> confined

> > to

> > > > > mere

> > > > > > > > translation of some shlokas, which i think, is

> certainly

> > > not

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > objective.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > if u mind and dont consider what u r told, i have no

> > > business

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > interrupt you, u can move on ur ways.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> > , " Sreenadh "

> > > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit ji,

> > > > > > > > > Did you ever been an astrologer? I think not. Just

> > > simply

> > > > > > learn!

> > > > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > , " litsol "

> > > > > > > > > <mlalit@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Srinadh,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Perhapse u have not checked malific influence on

> 5'th

> > > > house

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > horoscopes,However, i appreciate ur efforts to

> > > understand

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > consequences of 5'th house as well as lagna

lord's

> > > > > placement

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > A malific influence in 5'th does not always lead

to

> > > loss

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > child, this placement sometimes give girl child,

> > death

> > > of

> > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > extreme result which happens in cases of extreme

> > > > > malificance.

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > remember once u said during discussion of BB that

> > 4'th

> > > > > house

> > > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > > denote loss of child, if 4'th there are other

house

> > as

> > > > well

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > reference to 5'th house.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If u r doing a commentary on the ancient

classics,

> ur

> > > > > > approach

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > right and there is lot to learn from such

writings,

> > but

> > > > as

> > > > > > far

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > learning is concerned, more urge to study and

> dissect

> > > the

> > > > > > > > obsecure

> > > > > > > > > > cases is required.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > same way, 5'th has connection to 11'th house, the

> > house

> > > > of

> > > > > > > gains,

> > > > > > > > > > this combination of lagna lord's placement in

5'th

> > > house

> > > > > > makes

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > person too much ambitious, self cenetered, he is

> self

> > > > > > promting

> > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > should be aggressive coz his rise is his main

> > objective

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > life.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This is what i observed.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > > > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The results for Lagna lord in 5th house is

> > > discussed

> > > > > > below.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ==============================================

> > > > > > > > > > > Lagna lord in 5th House

> > > > > > > > > > > -----------------------------

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th, the native would be

> proud

> > an

> > > > > > > > individual

> > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > much self-respect and reputation and a bit

angry

> > but

> > > > > > > righteous

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > kind.

> > > > > > > > > > > He will have children. He may have moderate

well-

> > > being

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > children and

> > > > > > > > > > > may lose his first child as well, especially if

> > there

> > > > is

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > malefic

> > > > > > > > > > > influence on 5th house. He would be dear to the

> > > people

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > power

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > authority. He will have good authority or

> rulership

> > > and

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > enjoy a

> > > > > > > > > > > good eventful and enjoyable life. Bestowed with

> > good

> > > > > > > qualities,

> > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > do many good deeds.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th, the native would be

> angry;

> > > > will

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > moderate

> > > > > > > > > > > well-being from children. The native will lose

> his

> > > > first

> > > > > > > child.

> > > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > be a proud individual with much self-respect

and

> > > > > > reputation.

> > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > would be

> > > > > > > > > > > dear to the king.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > - Parasara Hora

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Why should lagna lord going to 5th make the

> native

> > an

> > > > > angry

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > aggressive individual? One of the logic behind

> > could

> > > > be -

> > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > > from 3rd house; and Upachaya (increase) stana

of

> > 3rd

> > > > > house.

> > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > signify anger and possibly that is why lagna

lord

> > in

> > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > increases

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > anger and agitation of the native. But also not

> > that

> > > > 5th

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > from 4th (simple and humble mind) making the

> native

> > a

> > > > > > > straight

> > > > > > > > > > forward

> > > > > > > > > > > individual. It is also mentioned in the sloka

> that

> > > the

> > > > > > native

> > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > lose

> > > > > > > > > > > his first child - why? The natural expectation

> > would

> > > be

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > in 5th should bestow good results for 5th, thus

> > > > providing

> > > > > > > > > children

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > happiness from children to the native. Of

course

> if

> > > > lagna

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > in 5th

> > > > > > > > > > > is afflicted by some malefic, then it would

have

> > > double

> > > > > > > impact,

> > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > the same would affect both the 5th house and

the

> > > lagna

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > amplifying

> > > > > > > > > > > the possibility for bad result. Since 5th could

> > > signify

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > > > > the bad result could be attributed to the first

> > child

> > > > as

> > > > > > > well.

> > > > > > > > > > Actually

> > > > > > > > > > > this is what we see mentioned in Meenaraja

hora.

> > But

> > > > > > Parasara

> > > > > > > > > > provides

> > > > > > > > > > > no such clue about any required malefic

influence

> > in

> > > > 5th

> > > > > > > house!

> > > > > > > > > We

> > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > wonder stuck by this derivation, and we fail to

> > > imagine

> > > > > any

> > > > > > > > solid

> > > > > > > > > > reason

> > > > > > > > > > > behind such a derivation in the absence of any

> > > malefic

> > > > > > > > influence

> > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > > > house. Another version of the same sloka is

> > > available,

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > provides similar results.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th, the native would be

> proud;

> > > > will

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > moderate

> > > > > > > > > > > well-being from children. He will lose his

first

> > > child.

> > > > > He

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > angry and will have special privileges in the

> > king's

> > > > > place.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > - Parasara Hora

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Apart from minor differences this sloka gives

> > almost

> > > > same

> > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > above. It seems that, the loss of first child

> > should

> > > be

> > > > > > > > predicted

> > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > if there is a malefic influence in 5th house,

> since

> > > the

> > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > available

> > > > > > > > > > > slokas give good results concerning children if

> > lagna

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > > > house. [Note that similar to in this sloka

> Parasara

> > > > will

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > mention

> > > > > > > > > > > `if the lagna lord is malefic and placed in x

> > house'

> > > in

> > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > > other slokas as well. We will encounter this

> > writing

> > > > > style

> > > > > > > > > related

> > > > > > > > > > issue

> > > > > > > > > > > in many other instances as well] Let us see

what

> > > > > Meenaraja

> > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > say.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th house, the native will

> have

> > > > > > children,

> > > > > > > > > > righteous

> > > > > > > > > > > and kind. He will have good authority or

> rulership

> > > and

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > > enjoy

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > eventful and enjoyable life. Bestowed with good

> > > > > qualities,

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > > many good deeds.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > - Meenaraja Hora

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In one printed version of Meenaraja Hora the

word

> > > > Suseela

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > quoted

> > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > Sugeeta (Good in singing). Select the proper

word

> > > based

> > > > > on

> > > > > > > > actual

> > > > > > > > > > > experience observed.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Note that as per Meenaraja lagna lord in 5th

> > > `provides

> > > > > > > children'

> > > > > > > > > > > and does not `destroy children'. Even though

> > Parasara

> > > > > only

> > > > > > > says

> > > > > > > > > > > that `lose of first child could happen', he too

> > does

> > > > not

> > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > > > > that `the native will not have children'. If we

> > > combine

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > statements of both Parasara and Meenaraja the

> only

> > > > > > conclusion

> > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > could

> > > > > > > > > > > reach is `The native will have children, but he

> may

> > > > loss

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > > child as well'. But it should be noted that the

> > loss

> > > of

> > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > > > > does not seems to be logically supported in the

> > > absence

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > malefic

> > > > > > > > > > > influence on 5th house - this was my initial

> > > inference.

> > > > > (An

> > > > > > > > > > amendment is

> > > > > > > > > > > proposed later) The sloka provided by Hora

> > Pradeepam

> > > is

> > > > > > > almost

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > > > as that of Meenaraja.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th house, the native will

> have

> > > > > > children,

> > > > > > > > > > righteous

> > > > > > > > > > > and kind. He will have good authority or

> rulership

> > > and

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > > enjoy

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > eventful and happy life. Bestowed with good

> > > qualities,

> > > > he

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > > good deeds.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > - Hora Pradeepam

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Parasara says that Lagna lord in 5th would make

> the

> > > > > native

> > > > > > > > angry -

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > why?

> > > > > > > > > > > Clearly any direct logic is not visible. Sun is

> the

> > > > > natural

> > > > > > > > > > significator

> > > > > > > > > > > of Lagna. If we are considering lagna lord in

5th

> > as

> > > > > > similar

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > sun

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > 5th, then the above derivation would be

justified

> > and

> > > > > > > possibly

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > lose

> > > > > > > > > > > of first child as well. But is it a correct

> > approach?

> > > I

> > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > doubtful.

> > > > > > > > > > > Only verifying the actual results from charts

> with

> > > > > similar

> > > > > > > > > > combination

> > > > > > > > > > > can shed some light on this issue.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Rule 5: Lagna lord in any house should be

treated

> > > > similar

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > house, since Sun is the natural significator of

> > Lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I am a bit doubtful about the validity of the

> above

> > > > rule.

> > > > > > If

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > supported by actual results it is better to

> ignore

> > > the

> > > > > > above

> > > > > > > > > rule.

> > > > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > logic supplied till now does not seem to be

> capable

> > > > > enough

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > satisfactorily explain the strong results

> proposed

> > by

> > > > > > > Parasara

> > > > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > > > as -

> > > > > > > > > > > Lagna lord in 5th causing the loss of first

> child;

> > it

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > make the

> > > > > > > > > > > native an angry individual. There should be

some

> > > other

> > > > > > logic

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > well.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > On retrospect we feel that - Parasara will not

> say

> > > > > > something

> > > > > > > > > > without a

> > > > > > > > > > > sold reason. Why should he bring planets base

> > result

> > > > (e.g.

> > > > > > > > > > > benefic/malefic) into it, when he was dealing

> with

> > > > House

> > > > > > base

> > > > > > > > > > > prediction? That is not logical. There could be

> > some

> > > > > other

> > > > > > in-

> > > > > > > > > depth

> > > > > > > > > > > reason. Yes, you are right - there is. Let us

> > analyze

> > > > all

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > possible

> > > > > > > > > > > houses and lagna lord in their fifth house, and

> > check

> > > > > > whether

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > > > can cause the loss of child -

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 1) Aries lagna, lagna lord Mars in Leo: Yes,

Leo

> is

> > a

> > > > > sign

> > > > > > > > > > signifying

> > > > > > > > > > > less children, and Mars a malefic in it can

> > indicate

> > > > loss

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > sure.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 2) Taurus lagna, lagna lord Venus in Virgo:

Virgo

> > is

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > debilitation

> > > > > > > > > > > sign for Venus. Also not that Venus owns the

> > lordship

> > > > of

> > > > > > 6th

> > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > well. Thus for sure for Taurus lagna Venus in

5th

> > can

> > > > > > > indicate

> > > > > > > > > loss

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > child for sure.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 3) Gemini lagna, lagna lord Me in Libra: Note

> that

> > > > Venus

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > Libra owns the 12th house (house indicating

> death)

> > as

> > > > > well.

> > > > > > > > > > Possibly the

> > > > > > > > > > > combination can indicate loss or death.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 4) Cancer lagna, Moon in Scorpio: Scorpio is

the

> > > > > > debilitation

> > > > > > > > > sign

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > Moon. Ofcourse the same can indicate the loss

of

> > > child.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 5) Leo lagna, Sun in Sagittarius: Note that the

> > lord

> > > of

> > > > > > > > > Sagittarius

> > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter owns the 8th house (death) as well.

Thus

> > > > > certainly

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > combination can indicate the loss or death of

> child.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 6) Virgo lagna, Me in Capricorn: The lord of

> > > Capricorn

> > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > owns

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > 6th house as well. Possibly the combination can

> > > > indicate

> > > > > > bad

> > > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > such as loss of child - amended by the fact

that

> > both

> > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > are imbecile planets.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 7) Libra lagna, Venus in Aquarius: Note that

> lagna

> > > lord

> > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > the 8th lord. Certainly 8th lord is a malefic,

> and

> > a

> > > > > > malefic

> > > > > > > > > placed

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > 5th can indicate lose of child.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If you continue this analysis, you could see

that

> > for

> > > > > most

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > 12

> > > > > > > > > > > signs, lagna lord placed in 5th can indicate

the

> > loss

> > > > of

> > > > > > > child,

> > > > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > > > though the same does not match perfectly for

> > Aquarius

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > Pisces

> > > > > > > > > > Lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > Thus it becomes clear that Parasara was not

> making

> > a

> > > > > > > statement

> > > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > > base or without understanding. His derivation

> > sprung

> > > > from

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > deep

> > > > > > > > > > > understanding that `for all the 12 signs, lagna

> > lord

> > > in

> > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > favorably placed, and this can be crystallized

> into

> > > the

> > > > > > brief

> > > > > > > > > > statement

> > > > > > > > > > > - lagna lord in 5th can indicate bad results

such

> > as -

> > >

> > > > > loss

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > > child and anger'. Then is it that Meenaraja was

> > wrong

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > Parasara

> > > > > > > > > > > was right? No, it is not so. Meenaraja was

> deriving

> > a

> > > > > > result

> > > > > > > > > based

> > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > the prime condition – Lagna lord in 5th alone.

> For

> > > this

> > > > > > prime

> > > > > > > > > > > combination Meenaraja's derivation is

absolutely

> > > right.

> > > > > But

> > > > > > > > > > > Parasara's amendment springs from his deep

> > > > understanding

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > zodiac. He knew that the general statement

> > regarding

> > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > > houses may not be completely true for lagna

lord

> in

> > > > 5th,

> > > > > > due

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > essential mutually co-related nature of the

signs

> > > > itself.

> > > > > > So

> > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > opinion

> > > > > > > > > > > would be, `Yes, Meenaraja is right. But you

know

> > the

> > > > > Signs

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > Zodiac, they have some specific connection to

> death

> > > as

> > > > > far

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > is concerned. So your general derivation as

> > proposed

> > > by

> > > > > > > > Meenaraja

> > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > not work in this case. Consider this special

> nature

> > > of

> > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > signs and modify your derivation accordingly.

The

> > you

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > that,

> > > > > > > > > > > lagna lord in 5th can signify many bad results

> such

> > > as

> > > > > loss

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > > child and anger'. It must be this deeper

> > > understanding

> > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > prompted Parasara to suggest such a result.

Yes,

> > > > > Meenaraja

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > right, but

> > > > > > > > > > > Parasara is also not off the mark. Meenaraja is

> > > > concerned

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > general logic of the derivation only, but

> Parasara

> > > goes

> > > > > > > deeper

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > general zodiacal context. Note it - possibly in

> > other

> > > > > > > > situations

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > > > the same could be the case - Parasara has a

> better

> > > > > > > > understanding

> > > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > the zodiacal context, and may mix it with

general

> > > > result

> > > > > > > > > > derivation. His

> > > > > > > > > > > thought and understanding penetrates into

deaths;

> > and

> > > > is

> > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > far

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > wide. He is not depended on mere logic alone -

he

> > is

> > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > practical. It

> > > > > > > > > > > is because of this in-depth understanding;

> Parasara

> > > is

> > > > > > termed

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > sage,

> > > > > > > > > > > but Meenaraja a king, a scholar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > But even this understanding of Parasara view

does

> > not

> > > > > does

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > allow me

> > > > > > > > > > > to pardon him - because here to derive the

result

> > he

> > > > > mixed

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > methods

> > > > > > > > > > > of Sign-House Base result derivation, while

> dealing

> > > > with

> > > > > > > House

> > > > > > > > > Base

> > > > > > > > > > > result derivation - causing confusion to the

> > learner.

> > > I

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > suggest

> > > > > > > > > > > that, in this context, the beginners should

stick

> > to

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > cleaner

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > systematic approach proposed by Meenaraja,

while

> > > trying

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > master

> > > > > > > > > > House

> > > > > > > > > > > Base result derivation technique. The deeper

> > > > > possibilities

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > modification to the suggested results should

> dealt

> > > with

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > understood,

> > > > > > > > > > > while trying to learn Sign-House Base result

> > > derivation

> > > > > > > > technique.

> > > > > > > > > > > The 5th house signifies things such as -

> children,

> > > > > > > intelligence,

> > > > > > > > > > > creativity, genius, stomach, belly, ministers,

> > secret

> > > > > hymns

> > > > > > > > > recited

> > > > > > > > > > etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > Thus the placement of lagna lord in 5th

generates

> > > > special

> > > > > > > > > > importance to

> > > > > > > > > > > the derivations related to the same.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Extract from:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

Sreenadh/

> > > > > > > > > > La\

> > > > > > > > > > > gna%20lord%20in%20Various%20Houses.pdf

> > > > > > > > > > > ==============================================

> > > > > > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Send instant messages to your online friends

> > http://uk.messenger.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Lalit ji,

Could be last mail to me (in this cycle), but do post in the group.

I am NOT the group.

Note: Last mail to me?! Do you think I will let you escape so

easily?! I may even come to your home and catch you from there!!

lol...

Love and Hugs,

Sreenadh

 

, " litsol "

<mlalit wrote:

>

> Dear Srinadh,

>

> last mail to you -

>

> The analysis u did for me, with the help of prashna was bit by bit

> wrong and the story of affairs which was cooked up in the analysis

> was not there, how, will tell,I have been in touch with a girl, had

> some liking for her, and during the period when u mentioned the

> relationship may die as 7'th lord is going to 8'th house, the

> relationship took a favorable nice turn, Sunil ji is aware of the

> incident, u can ask him.

>

> On the one hand u remember so many shlokas and on the other hand

> things r behind the smoke screen, why ?

>

> I wanted to indicate the bottlenecks and loopholes in ur approach

of

> understanding the astrology, but it looks u r a person who likes to

> show shortcoming in approach as strength or a quality attribute of

> the approach, leave it, I thought there is collective learning in

the

> group, that's why i interrupted you, my idea was, firstly u w'd

> translate and then every one will give their inputs, as u r very

much

> closed to ur writing and looks sensitive also, there is no point in

> interacting with u, same way i can also be wrong, i m, but i m open

> to see where i m wrong, i w'd welcome if i m told i m wrong here

coz

> i m not a show master.

>

> regarding miscarriage, i didn't negate the possibilities, but added

> other possibilities along with that, why that happened to someone

> will have to be understood in entirety, the case given has two

> points -

>

> 1. lagna lord in 5'th

> 2. mars (malific) in 5'th

>

> which is causing the problem, entire horoscope is required to be

seen

> and several horoscopes are required to reach a conclusion.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

, " Sreenadh "

> <sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Javed ji,

> > Yes, that shows that Parasara was right - and Lalit's effort to

> > mixing too much water into it such as the following was wrong.

> > ==>

> > A malefic influence in 5'th does not always lead to loss of the

> first

> > child, this placement sometimes give girl child, death of child

is

> an

> > extreme result which happens in cases of extreme maleificance.

> > <==

> > Hope Lalit ji will take it as a lesson - and see the slokas put

> > forward by the sages with more trust.

> > ==>

> > > Mine lagna lord is Mars, which is placed in 5th house in my

> > lagna chart. When my wife was in 3rd month of pregnancy, she had

a

> > miss carriage in 1993,it was our first baby, after that we have

> four

> > children, quite healthy.

> > <==

> > Yes, it seems that Parasara was well aware of the contextual

> > importance of signs for LL in placement in 5th for all the

houses.

> > Note that except for Aquarius and possibly for Pisces, for all

the

> > other houses 'LL in 5th' got some association with its sign of

> > debilitation or 8th house or 12th house.

> > But still i am a bit in dis-satisfied by the fact that Parasara

> > considered or mixed 'Sign-Hous Base' result while dealing

> with 'House-

> > Base' result derivation technique.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , javed khaanzada

> > <javed_khaanzada@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit and Srinadh ji,

> > >

> > > As in Parasar Hora stated:

> > >

> > > If lagna lord is in 5th, the native would be angry; will have

> > moderate well-being from children. The native will lose his first

> > child. He would be a proud individual with much self-respect and

> > reputation. He would be dear to the king.

> > >

> > > Mine lagna lord is Mars,which is placed in 5th house in my

> lagna

> > chart.When my wife was in 3rd month of pregnancy,she had a miss

> > carriage in 1993,it was our first baby,after that we have four

> > children,quite healthy.

> > >

> > > Regds-javed

> > >

> > >

> > > litsol <mlalit@> wrote:

> > > Dear Srinadh,

> > >

> > > Leave it, I m not part of ur show, where u r the only script

> > writer,

> > > director, actor, viewer and even the stage is your's.

> > >

> > > I had an impression that this is a open group where a

collective

> > > learning may emerge to make astrology more advanced more

> effective

> > > but, I feel i was wrong in my understanding, you w'd never

accept

> > ur

> > > shortcomings and w'd never take inputs from members. so i drop

it.

> > >

> > > u make ur rules for ur convenience sake, act on ur rules as per

> ur

> > > convenience and you teach rules to others as per ur conveniince

> and

> > > define liberty from rules as per ur convenience.

> > >

> > > when i saw ur post, instinctively, without thinking much about

> > > subsequent consequences, happen to respond to you, which will

> never

> > > be there, i m a I m a easy going man, open minded person.

> > >

> > > I have no objection, carry on ur show, i m silent.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lalit ji,

> > > > The questions in articles are -

> > > > * Guidance to think.

> > > > * They are part of the process of thinking

> > > > * They are not demanding, requesting and asking someone to

come

> > > and

> > > > give a ready made answer, such as " Perhaps u have not checked

> > > malefic

> > > > influence on 5'th house with horoscopes... and I will teach

you

> > the

> > > > remedy, the correct results and the method to be followed " ;

> know

> > > that

> > > > it is to motivate thinking; it is to motivate more fuel to

the

> > fire

> > > > with in; to guide others and me to learn to think itself -

> > > > systematically; in the way astrology demands! Note that 7-

fold

> > > method

> > > > is a " Thought Tool " , a methodology for thinking. With a

> peaceful

> > > mind

> > > > think about it - and you will see what I mean.

> > > > What the questions you present in your own writeups/articles -

 

> > > you

> > > > will what I mean.

> > > > ==>

> > > > > if ur post is only house specific why u raise such

questions

> > and

> > > > > then try to find answers,

> > > > <==

> > > > I hope the above section clarifies this. The post was 'house

> > > > specific' that too is right.

> > > > ==>

> > > > > u urself asked the question in ur post - " Why should lagna

> > > > > lord going to 5th make the native an angry and aggressive

> > > > > individual " and tried to understand the reason

> > > > <==

> > > > Yes, I did raise that question and tried to answer it -

because

> > > that

> > > > was a result derived by Parasara and I was thinking about the

> > logic

> > > > behind it; Certainly that is related to 'House Base'

> derivation,

> > > and

> > > > not related to anything else.

> > > > Did you tried to think and find an answer to that question?

Did

> > > you

> > > > checked the same in some example horoscopes and found that it

> > > doesn't

> > > > work?

> > > > Now let us come to your comment on the same -

> > > > Comment -1

> > > > ==>

> > > > > If u r doing a commentary on the ancient classics, ur

> approach

> > is

> > > > > right and there is lot to learn from such writings, but as

> > > > > far as learning is concerned, more urge to study and

dissect

> > the

> > > > > obsecure cases is required.

> > > > <==

> > > > What do you mean by 'obscure cases'? Do you mean example

> > > horoscopes?

> > > > The do it yourself - and present the results! That is the way

> to

> > > go -

> > > > an a research approach, and we too would be benefited by

that;

> go

> > > > ahead and do it! Note that the above statement by you lacks

> even

> > > the

> > > > basic understanding that " the article was dealing with House

> Base

> > > > result derivation, and that too about LL in 5th " !

> > > > Comment -2

> > > > ==>

> > > > > same way, 5'th has connection to 11'th house, the house of

> > gains,

> > > > > this combination of lagna lord's placement in 5'th house

> > > > > makes a person too much ambitious, self cenetered, he is

self

> > > > > promting so should be aggressive coz his rise is his main

> > > objective

> > > > > of the life. This is what i observed.

> > > > <==

> > > > Yah, that is good logic - and a good suggestion. But note the

> > last

> > > > statement " This is what i observed " ! We all know that you

> started

> > > > learning astrology before 5 months only. Of course you are

a

> > > smart

> > > > learner, and has good logic, (I appreciate that, and happy

> about

> > > it).

> > > > Considering the above facts, possibly if it was something

like -

> > > " This

> > > > is a better logical derivation I feel " , it would have been

more

> > > > pleasant. Even if you have " observed " such combinations -

> your

> > > > time span of 5 months is not even enough to complete the

> training

> > > > period and clear the testing phase! :=)

> > > > Lalit ji, don't take all these comments personally - I love

you

> > > very

> > > > much, and know well that it is rare to find such a good

> > potential.

> > > > But don't do the mistake becoming a teacher; don't do the

> mistake

> > > of

> > > > becoming a teacher - your experience and knowledge is not

> enough

> > > for

> > > > that; I have at least 8 years experience as a professional

> > > > astrologer, but still I am a learner and yet to become a

> teacher;

> > I

> > > > don't think in near future it would be possible as well; thus

> the

> > > > fact is there are no teachers in this group; and never can

be.

> > > > We are all fellow students here - even though the amount of

> > > > knowledge may vary a bit from individual to individual; that

is

> > not

> > > > much important. But learning to be a learner, and being a

> > > learner,

> > > > and accepting that i am a learner and that my knowledge is

> > limited -

> > >

> > > > IS important. We simply don't have answers to everything -

and

> > > never

> > > > can be.

> > > > Be with me brother and give a bit credit for being elder...

> > > > Love and Hugs,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lalit ji,

> > > > > Are you noticing that we are deviating from the subject?

> > Present

> > > > > your views on Lagna lord in 5th in a well written way (In

> > > similar

> > > > > discussions - Baquya ji does it - he is good; Srinivas ji

> does

> > > it;

> > > > > Sunil Does it; RK ji does it; similarly many more members)

> and

> > I

> > > > will

> > > > > love to see the same - whether it be from experience or

from

> > > Logic.

> > > > > Second, I am NOT teaching anybody - but learning and

> presenting

> > > > > systematically - of course my experience as an astrologer,

> and

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > books would be useful in that effort. But never expect or

> feel

> > > that

> > > > I

> > > > > am teaching - I am NOT. Everybody learns by themselves.

> > Everybody

> > > > > should try to present there sincere " understanding " " about

> the

> > > > > subject under discussion " with clarity. There is NO Teacher-

> > > > Learner,

> > > > > Master-Disciple here; But only learners - all members

present

> > in

> > > > this

> > > > > group are humble learners of the astrological wisdom

> presented

> > by

> > > > > sages. I am a learner a student of them, and NOT a teacher

to

> > > > anyone.

> > > > > Please understand this.

> > > > > Love,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > > , " litsol "

> > > > > <mlalit@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Srinadh,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Do u mean, If u r not clear somewhere or u r missing

> > something

> > > > and

> > > > > > someone points out to the mising point, he himself lacks

> the

> > > > > > understanding, very good approach, sorry to interrupt

this

> > > time,

> > > > > now

> > > > > > onwards will never try to correct you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However,u urself asked the question in ur post - " Why

> should

> > > > lagna

> > > > > > lord going to 5th make the native an angry and aggressive

> > > > > > individual " and tried to understand the reason, if ur

post

> is

> > > > only

> > > > > > house specific why u raise such questions and then try to

> > find

> > > > > > answers, simply i thuoght to correct ur effort with my

> > > > > understanding

> > > > > > but ur attitude is very different,So much inclination in

> > > teaching

> > > > > is

> > > > > > affecting ur's learning only.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

, " Sreenadh "

> > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Lalit ji,

> > > > > > > Malefic effect in 5th causing many troubles is a known

> fact

> > > to

> > > > > all

> > > > > > > astrologers - no explanation is needed on the same.

> Knowing

> > > > what

> > > > > > > those troubles are, needs considering a lot of other

> > > > parameters.

> > > > > > > Deriving the details - which uses several methodologies

> > such

> > > as

> > > > > > > Bhavat Bhava Chinta, Karkat Bhava chinta, considering

> other

> > > > > > > combinations - know that there is a big distance to go

> and

> > it

> > > > is

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > that simple.

> > > > > > > What we are doing here is not trying to reach some

> > > inflexible

> > > > > > > conclusion; or to analyze someone's horoscope; but to

see

> > to

> > > > what

> > > > > > > extend the slokas on 'House Base' derivation technique

> can

> > > > point

> > > > > > to.

> > > > > > > Try to understand things in the context they are.

> > > > > > > When you are trying your own bit of logic in something -

 

> > > > present

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > that way; Instead of saying this is right or that is

> wrong,

> > > or

> > > > > > > somewhere else is the crux. Present - as per your logic

> you

> > > > think

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > could be so and so. (Don't bring in I have seen such

and

> > such

> > > > in

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > horoscope and so let us discuss that horoscope strategy

> as

> > > > well -

> > > > > > > that is not the way. If the same combination is present

> in

> > > some

> > > > > > known

> > > > > > > horoscope - the combination alone can be considered for

> > > > > > verification,

> > > > > > > and other feature or details of that horoscope should

be

> > > > > neglected.

> > > > > > > We should stick to the context and the method of

study).

> > Loss

> > > > can

> > > > > > > mean many things -

> > > > > > > * It could be abortion

> > > > > > > * It could untimely death of son at a later age (as in

> the

> > > > case

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > Indira Gandhi)

> > > > > > > * It could be a missing son Or there could be many

other

> > > > > > > possibilities as well.

> > > > > > > Neither the sloka nor we are going in to that details -

> > > > instead

> > > > > > what

> > > > > > > we are doing is 'Trying to learn the logical background

> and

> > > > > > concepts

> > > > > > > used in House Base derivation by the sages; and thus

> trying

> > > to

> > > > > > master

> > > > > > > that technique' - know this well.

> > > > > > > ==>

> > > > > > > > there are chances for the entire hard work to be

> confined

> > > to

> > > > > mere

> > > > > > > > translation of some shlokas, which i think, is

> certainly

> > > not

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > objective.

> > > > > > > <==

> > > > > > > Clearly the above words come from lack of understanding

> of

> > > > > > objective

> > > > > > > and strategy, of this group. Please check -

> > > > > > > * The previous mails on the same thread

> > > > > > > * The files in the files folder dealing with similar

> things

> > > > > (i.e.

> > > > > > > Articles related to 7-fold result derivation technique

of

> > > > > astrology)

> > > > > > > * Thus instead of starting afresh were you land

yourself

> in

> > > > the

> > > > > > > forum, create a background to deal with the subject in

> > hand,

> > > > > > > systematically.

> > > > > > > Note: The document regarding " Lagna lord in various

> houses

> > > was

> > > > > > there

> > > > > > > in file section for many days, and mails about file

> > uploading

> > > > > goes

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > every member, the main thread of discussion is on the

> same;

> > > but

> > > > > > alas!

> > > > > > > the never read or refer to such files and instead

depend

> on

> > > the

> > > > > > > posted mails alone! No serious learner who approach

> > astrology

> > > > > > > shouldn't follow such a method. He should download and

> > study

> > > > them

> > > > > > > before putting in his bit - and that SHOULD BE a well

> > thought

> > > > out

> > > > > > > one - depicting his sincerity and earnest effort to

> > > understand

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > learn the path shown by the sages " . Whether such a view

> > > matches

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > mine or not is irrelevant. But the contribution should

be

> > > > > valuable -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > coming out from research, experience and effort.

> > > > > > > Hope the confusion is clarified.

> > > > > > > Love and Hugs,

> > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

, " litsol "

> > > > > > > <mlalit@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Srinadh,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pls. tell where i m wrong in finding such

shortcomings

> in

> > > > what

> > > > > u

> > > > > > > > tried to derive and explain after the translation, in

> > fact,

> > > i

> > > > > > saw,

> > > > > > > u

> > > > > > > > urself tried to understand what is missing, struggled

a

> > > lot,

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > stopped before touching the crux, a gap remained is

to

> > > cover

> > > > > up.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I suggested something for the betterment only.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > loss doesn't mean death, it may be girl child, it may

> be

> > > > > hopeless

> > > > > > > > child, it may be a child with poor health, we need to

> be

> > > more

> > > > > > > specific

> > > > > > > > while deriving the results and explaining them to

group.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > be admissive and keep a holistic approach so that a

> right

> > > > > > learning

> > > > > > > > approach could be developed having inputs from every

> one,

> > > > > > > otherwise,

> > > > > > > > there are chances for the entire hardwork to be

> confined

> > to

> > > > > mere

> > > > > > > > translation of some shlokas, which i think, is

> certainly

> > > not

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > objective.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > if u mind and dont consider what u r told, i have no

> > > business

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > interrupt you, u can move on ur ways.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> > , " Sreenadh "

> > > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit ji,

> > > > > > > > > Did you ever been an astrologer? I think not. Just

> > > simply

> > > > > > learn!

> > > > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > , " litsol "

> > > > > > > > > <mlalit@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Srinadh,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Perhapse u have not checked malific influence on

> 5'th

> > > > house

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > horoscopes,However, i appreciate ur efforts to

> > > understand

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > consequences of 5'th house as well as lagna

lord's

> > > > > placement

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > A malific influence in 5'th does not always lead

to

> > > loss

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > child, this placement sometimes give girl child,

> > death

> > > of

> > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > extreme result which happens in cases of extreme

> > > > > malificance.

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > remember once u said during discussion of BB that

> > 4'th

> > > > > house

> > > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > > denote loss of child, if 4'th there are other

house

> > as

> > > > well

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > reference to 5'th house.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If u r doing a commentary on the ancient

classics,

> ur

> > > > > > approach

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > right and there is lot to learn from such

writings,

> > but

> > > > as

> > > > > > far

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > learning is concerned, more urge to study and

> dissect

> > > the

> > > > > > > > obsecure

> > > > > > > > > > cases is required.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > same way, 5'th has connection to 11'th house, the

> > house

> > > > of

> > > > > > > gains,

> > > > > > > > > > this combination of lagna lord's placement in

5'th

> > > house

> > > > > > makes

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > person too much ambitious, self cenetered, he is

> self

> > > > > > promting

> > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > should be aggressive coz his rise is his main

> > objective

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > life.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This is what i observed.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > > > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The results for Lagna lord in 5th house is

> > > discussed

> > > > > > below.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ==============================================

> > > > > > > > > > > Lagna lord in 5th House

> > > > > > > > > > > -----------------------------

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th, the native would be

> proud

> > an

> > > > > > > > individual

> > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > much self-respect and reputation and a bit

angry

> > but

> > > > > > > righteous

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > kind.

> > > > > > > > > > > He will have children. He may have moderate

well-

> > > being

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > children and

> > > > > > > > > > > may lose his first child as well, especially if

> > there

> > > > is

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > malefic

> > > > > > > > > > > influence on 5th house. He would be dear to the

> > > people

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > power

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > authority. He will have good authority or

> rulership

> > > and

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > enjoy a

> > > > > > > > > > > good eventful and enjoyable life. Bestowed with

> > good

> > > > > > > qualities,

> > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > do many good deeds.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th, the native would be

> angry;

> > > > will

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > moderate

> > > > > > > > > > > well-being from children. The native will lose

> his

> > > > first

> > > > > > > child.

> > > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > be a proud individual with much self-respect

and

> > > > > > reputation.

> > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > would be

> > > > > > > > > > > dear to the king.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > - Parasara Hora

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Why should lagna lord going to 5th make the

> native

> > an

> > > > > angry

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > aggressive individual? One of the logic behind

> > could

> > > > be -

> > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > > from 3rd house; and Upachaya (increase) stana

of

> > 3rd

> > > > > house.

> > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > signify anger and possibly that is why lagna

lord

> > in

> > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > increases

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > anger and agitation of the native. But also not

> > that

> > > > 5th

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > from 4th (simple and humble mind) making the

> native

> > a

> > > > > > > straight

> > > > > > > > > > forward

> > > > > > > > > > > individual. It is also mentioned in the sloka

> that

> > > the

> > > > > > native

> > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > lose

> > > > > > > > > > > his first child - why? The natural expectation

> > would

> > > be

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > in 5th should bestow good results for 5th, thus

> > > > providing

> > > > > > > > > children

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > happiness from children to the native. Of

course

> if

> > > > lagna

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > in 5th

> > > > > > > > > > > is afflicted by some malefic, then it would

have

> > > double

> > > > > > > impact,

> > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > the same would affect both the 5th house and

the

> > > lagna

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > amplifying

> > > > > > > > > > > the possibility for bad result. Since 5th could

> > > signify

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > > > > the bad result could be attributed to the first

> > child

> > > > as

> > > > > > > well.

> > > > > > > > > > Actually

> > > > > > > > > > > this is what we see mentioned in Meenaraja

hora.

> > But

> > > > > > Parasara

> > > > > > > > > > provides

> > > > > > > > > > > no such clue about any required malefic

influence

> > in

> > > > 5th

> > > > > > > house!

> > > > > > > > > We

> > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > wonder stuck by this derivation, and we fail to

> > > imagine

> > > > > any

> > > > > > > > solid

> > > > > > > > > > reason

> > > > > > > > > > > behind such a derivation in the absence of any

> > > malefic

> > > > > > > > influence

> > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > > > house. Another version of the same sloka is

> > > available,

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > provides similar results.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th, the native would be

> proud;

> > > > will

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > moderate

> > > > > > > > > > > well-being from children. He will lose his

first

> > > child.

> > > > > He

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > angry and will have special privileges in the

> > king's

> > > > > place.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > - Parasara Hora

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Apart from minor differences this sloka gives

> > almost

> > > > same

> > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > above. It seems that, the loss of first child

> > should

> > > be

> > > > > > > > predicted

> > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > if there is a malefic influence in 5th house,

> since

> > > the

> > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > available

> > > > > > > > > > > slokas give good results concerning children if

> > lagna

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > > > house. [Note that similar to in this sloka

> Parasara

> > > > will

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > mention

> > > > > > > > > > > `if the lagna lord is malefic and placed in x

> > house'

> > > in

> > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > > other slokas as well. We will encounter this

> > writing

> > > > > style

> > > > > > > > > related

> > > > > > > > > > issue

> > > > > > > > > > > in many other instances as well] Let us see

what

> > > > > Meenaraja

> > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > say.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th house, the native will

> have

> > > > > > children,

> > > > > > > > > > righteous

> > > > > > > > > > > and kind. He will have good authority or

> rulership

> > > and

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > > enjoy

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > eventful and enjoyable life. Bestowed with good

> > > > > qualities,

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > > many good deeds.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > - Meenaraja Hora

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In one printed version of Meenaraja Hora the

word

> > > > Suseela

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > quoted

> > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > Sugeeta (Good in singing). Select the proper

word

> > > based

> > > > > on

> > > > > > > > actual

> > > > > > > > > > > experience observed.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Note that as per Meenaraja lagna lord in 5th

> > > `provides

> > > > > > > children'

> > > > > > > > > > > and does not `destroy children'. Even though

> > Parasara

> > > > > only

> > > > > > > says

> > > > > > > > > > > that `lose of first child could happen', he too

> > does

> > > > not

> > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > > > > that `the native will not have children'. If we

> > > combine

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > statements of both Parasara and Meenaraja the

> only

> > > > > > conclusion

> > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > could

> > > > > > > > > > > reach is `The native will have children, but he

> may

> > > > loss

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > > child as well'. But it should be noted that the

> > loss

> > > of

> > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > > > > does not seems to be logically supported in the

> > > absence

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > malefic

> > > > > > > > > > > influence on 5th house - this was my initial

> > > inference.

> > > > > (An

> > > > > > > > > > amendment is

> > > > > > > > > > > proposed later) The sloka provided by Hora

> > Pradeepam

> > > is

> > > > > > > almost

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > > > as that of Meenaraja.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th house, the native will

> have

> > > > > > children,

> > > > > > > > > > righteous

> > > > > > > > > > > and kind. He will have good authority or

> rulership

> > > and

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > > enjoy

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > eventful and happy life. Bestowed with good

> > > qualities,

> > > > he

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > > good deeds.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > - Hora Pradeepam

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Parasara says that Lagna lord in 5th would make

> the

> > > > > native

> > > > > > > > angry -

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > why?

> > > > > > > > > > > Clearly any direct logic is not visible. Sun is

> the

> > > > > natural

> > > > > > > > > > significator

> > > > > > > > > > > of Lagna. If we are considering lagna lord in

5th

> > as

> > > > > > similar

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > sun

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > 5th, then the above derivation would be

justified

> > and

> > > > > > > possibly

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > lose

> > > > > > > > > > > of first child as well. But is it a correct

> > approach?

> > > I

> > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > doubtful.

> > > > > > > > > > > Only verifying the actual results from charts

> with

> > > > > similar

> > > > > > > > > > combination

> > > > > > > > > > > can shed some light on this issue.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Rule 5: Lagna lord in any house should be

treated

> > > > similar

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > house, since Sun is the natural significator of

> > Lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I am a bit doubtful about the validity of the

> above

> > > > rule.

> > > > > > If

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > supported by actual results it is better to

> ignore

> > > the

> > > > > > above

> > > > > > > > > rule.

> > > > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > logic supplied till now does not seem to be

> capable

> > > > > enough

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > satisfactorily explain the strong results

> proposed

> > by

> > > > > > > Parasara

> > > > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > > > as -

> > > > > > > > > > > Lagna lord in 5th causing the loss of first

> child;

> > it

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > make the

> > > > > > > > > > > native an angry individual. There should be

some

> > > other

> > > > > > logic

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > well.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > On retrospect we feel that - Parasara will not

> say

> > > > > > something

> > > > > > > > > > without a

> > > > > > > > > > > sold reason. Why should he bring planets base

> > result

> > > > (e.g.

> > > > > > > > > > > benefic/malefic) into it, when he was dealing

> with

> > > > House

> > > > > > base

> > > > > > > > > > > prediction? That is not logical. There could be

> > some

> > > > > other

> > > > > > in-

> > > > > > > > > depth

> > > > > > > > > > > reason. Yes, you are right - there is. Let us

> > analyze

> > > > all

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > possible

> > > > > > > > > > > houses and lagna lord in their fifth house, and

> > check

> > > > > > whether

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > > > can cause the loss of child -

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 1) Aries lagna, lagna lord Mars in Leo: Yes,

Leo

> is

> > a

> > > > > sign

> > > > > > > > > > signifying

> > > > > > > > > > > less children, and Mars a malefic in it can

> > indicate

> > > > loss

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > sure.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 2) Taurus lagna, lagna lord Venus in Virgo:

Virgo

> > is

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > debilitation

> > > > > > > > > > > sign for Venus. Also not that Venus owns the

> > lordship

> > > > of

> > > > > > 6th

> > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > well. Thus for sure for Taurus lagna Venus in

5th

> > can

> > > > > > > indicate

> > > > > > > > > loss

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > child for sure.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 3) Gemini lagna, lagna lord Me in Libra: Note

> that

> > > > Venus

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > Libra owns the 12th house (house indicating

> death)

> > as

> > > > > well.

> > > > > > > > > > Possibly the

> > > > > > > > > > > combination can indicate loss or death.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 4) Cancer lagna, Moon in Scorpio: Scorpio is

the

> > > > > > debilitation

> > > > > > > > > sign

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > Moon. Ofcourse the same can indicate the loss

of

> > > child.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 5) Leo lagna, Sun in Sagittarius: Note that the

> > lord

> > > of

> > > > > > > > > Sagittarius

> > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter owns the 8th house (death) as well.

Thus

> > > > > certainly

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > combination can indicate the loss or death of

> child.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 6) Virgo lagna, Me in Capricorn: The lord of

> > > Capricorn

> > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > owns

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > 6th house as well. Possibly the combination can

> > > > indicate

> > > > > > bad

> > > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > such as loss of child - amended by the fact

that

> > both

> > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > are imbecile planets.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 7) Libra lagna, Venus in Aquarius: Note that

> lagna

> > > lord

> > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > the 8th lord. Certainly 8th lord is a malefic,

> and

> > a

> > > > > > malefic

> > > > > > > > > placed

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > 5th can indicate lose of child.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If you continue this analysis, you could see

that

> > for

> > > > > most

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > 12

> > > > > > > > > > > signs, lagna lord placed in 5th can indicate

the

> > loss

> > > > of

> > > > > > > child,

> > > > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > > > though the same does not match perfectly for

> > Aquarius

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > Pisces

> > > > > > > > > > Lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > Thus it becomes clear that Parasara was not

> making

> > a

> > > > > > > statement

> > > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > > base or without understanding. His derivation

> > sprung

> > > > from

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > deep

> > > > > > > > > > > understanding that `for all the 12 signs, lagna

> > lord

> > > in

> > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > favorably placed, and this can be crystallized

> into

> > > the

> > > > > > brief

> > > > > > > > > > statement

> > > > > > > > > > > - lagna lord in 5th can indicate bad results

such

> > as -

> > >

> > > > > loss

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > > child and anger'. Then is it that Meenaraja was

> > wrong

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > Parasara

> > > > > > > > > > > was right? No, it is not so. Meenaraja was

> deriving

> > a

> > > > > > result

> > > > > > > > > based

> > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > the prime condition – Lagna lord in 5th alone.

> For

> > > this

> > > > > > prime

> > > > > > > > > > > combination Meenaraja's derivation is

absolutely

> > > right.

> > > > > But

> > > > > > > > > > > Parasara's amendment springs from his deep

> > > > understanding

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > zodiac. He knew that the general statement

> > regarding

> > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > > houses may not be completely true for lagna

lord

> in

> > > > 5th,

> > > > > > due

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > essential mutually co-related nature of the

signs

> > > > itself.

> > > > > > So

> > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > opinion

> > > > > > > > > > > would be, `Yes, Meenaraja is right. But you

know

> > the

> > > > > Signs

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > Zodiac, they have some specific connection to

> death

> > > as

> > > > > far

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > is concerned. So your general derivation as

> > proposed

> > > by

> > > > > > > > Meenaraja

> > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > not work in this case. Consider this special

> nature

> > > of

> > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > signs and modify your derivation accordingly.

The

> > you

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > that,

> > > > > > > > > > > lagna lord in 5th can signify many bad results

> such

> > > as

> > > > > loss

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > > child and anger'. It must be this deeper

> > > understanding

> > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > prompted Parasara to suggest such a result.

Yes,

> > > > > Meenaraja

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > right, but

> > > > > > > > > > > Parasara is also not off the mark. Meenaraja is

> > > > concerned

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > general logic of the derivation only, but

> Parasara

> > > goes

> > > > > > > deeper

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > general zodiacal context. Note it - possibly in

> > other

> > > > > > > > situations

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > > > the same could be the case - Parasara has a

> better

> > > > > > > > understanding

> > > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > the zodiacal context, and may mix it with

general

> > > > result

> > > > > > > > > > derivation. His

> > > > > > > > > > > thought and understanding penetrates into

deaths;

> > and

> > > > is

> > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > far

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > wide. He is not depended on mere logic alone -

he

> > is

> > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > practical. It

> > > > > > > > > > > is because of this in-depth understanding;

> Parasara

> > > is

> > > > > > termed

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > sage,

> > > > > > > > > > > but Meenaraja a king, a scholar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > But even this understanding of Parasara view

does

> > not

> > > > > does

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > allow me

> > > > > > > > > > > to pardon him - because here to derive the

result

> > he

> > > > > mixed

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > methods

> > > > > > > > > > > of Sign-House Base result derivation, while

> dealing

> > > > with

> > > > > > > House

> > > > > > > > > Base

> > > > > > > > > > > result derivation - causing confusion to the

> > learner.

> > > I

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > suggest

> > > > > > > > > > > that, in this context, the beginners should

stick

> > to

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > cleaner

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > systematic approach proposed by Meenaraja,

while

> > > trying

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > master

> > > > > > > > > > House

> > > > > > > > > > > Base result derivation technique. The deeper

> > > > > possibilities

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > modification to the suggested results should

> dealt

> > > with

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > understood,

> > > > > > > > > > > while trying to learn Sign-House Base result

> > > derivation

> > > > > > > > technique.

> > > > > > > > > > > The 5th house signifies things such as -

> children,

> > > > > > > intelligence,

> > > > > > > > > > > creativity, genius, stomach, belly, ministers,

> > secret

> > > > > hymns

> > > > > > > > > recited

> > > > > > > > > > etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > Thus the placement of lagna lord in 5th

generates

> > > > special

> > > > > > > > > > importance to

> > > > > > > > > > > the derivations related to the same.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Extract from:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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> > > > > > > > > > La\

> > > > > > > > > > > gna%20lord%20in%20Various%20Houses.pdf

> > > > > > > > > > > ==============================================

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> > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

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> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Send instant messages to your online friends

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[Guest guest]

Dear Lalit ji,

 

No one is infallible. Also through mistakes we learn better...and

thanks for correcting it.

 

Love and sex should come naturally...with the right person at the

right time..no one can give lessons on that...I believe planets play

a major role here too, especially keeping relationships intact.

 

Please do tell me the meaning of " purushaarth'. I don't get the

exact meaning since my mother toungue is not Sanskrit/Hindi.

 

Thanks....

 

blessings

 

Renu

 

 

 

 

, " litsol "

<mlalit wrote:

>

> Dear Renu ji,

>

> I m taken wrongly beacuse of the way i did write the mail, pls.

dont

> take girl child along with the other negative things i happen to

> write in same line. i dont discriminate girls and guys.

>

> I dont see any difference between girl and guy, the soul takes

birth

> in form of two opposits - girl and guy, so, where difference comes

in

> between.

>

> It takes hard to go above sex(male or female) oriented approach,

one

> may spend whole life thinking and behaving as male or female,

whereas

> one should know one is one sould wrapped in a particular body of

> particualr sex.

>

> There are age old men with good status in society i came across,

who

> still thinks love making with a girl is a kind of vitcory, a kind

of

> wining the female partner, this hidden sexual disorderness in mind

> leads them to become incompetant in their love making, they dont

get

> what for nature has invented sex. This also shows an hatred

approach

> in heart, this disables them from having a sense of completness.

>

> I sometimes criticize delhi's girls for their immaturity in

> understanding the beauti of sex and dignity of sweet love. they

are

> becoming mechanical, this is affecting families, Delhi is the city

in

> India with highest no. of divorce cases.

>

> parent's should educate their girls about relationship and

> consequences, a healthy approach should be there in the family,

every

> human being is born to underake 4 purushaarth and sex has same

> importance like dharam has. but sex is an expressoin of love is

what

> should be told to teens, an intimate action that u just cant do

with

> any one and every one.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

, " sunil nair "

> <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Hare ramakrishna

> >

> > dear renu ji ,

> >

> > Females are more immune and strong to resist any diseases

may

> be

> > rishis conveying this message .And lalit is speaking from his

> experince

> > of the charts he has seen .I dont think purposeful offence

involved

> > here.

> >

> > See any species females are more than males ,I think if birth

> control

> > meausres and gender determination techniqs may be this theorey

may

> not

> > work in humans.

> >

> > And lord siva has given half f his body to his better half and

he

> become

> > ardha nariswara ,so we surely assume that rishis were not

thinking

> the

> > way we r thinking but our launage has descriptionsies and we hav

> passed

> > tru various times in history .It is mainly the extentinal

attacks

> and

> > subsequent plundering has contributed to it.

> >

> > with regrds

> >

> > sunil nair

> >

> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> >

> >

> > , " renunw "

<renunw@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil ji,

> > >

> > > I am glad if it is so and I do apologize if I had made a

mistake.

> I

> > > am sure he did not intentionally mean to insult...

> > >

> > > Anyway I don't think it was a language problem. What he wrote

was

> > > that afflicted LL in 5H could lead to a birth of a girl child,

a

> > > sick child, a hopeless child and so on. So it is obvious that

he

> has

> > > put 'girl child' also to the same category as any other

> handicapped

> > > or unfortunate child. Don't you think it is unfair to do so?

Why

> > > can't then an afflicted LL in 5H could give birth to a 'boy

> child'?

> > > A healthy girl is as good as a healthy boy. A girl is not born

as

> a

> > > result of affliction to child giving houses!!!

> > >

> > > blessings

> > >

> > > Renu

> > >

> > > , " sunil nair "

> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hare ramakrishna,

> > > >

> > > > dear renu ji ,

> > > >

> > > > lalit will not insult a female because she born as

> > > female .I

> > > > know personaly him and is a great devotee of holi

mother ,such a

> > > > persons cannot humilate a woman according to the tradition.

> > > >

> > > > Only it was a laungage problem came in while writing the post

> > > >

> > > > rgds sunil nair

> > > >

> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " renunw "

> <renunw@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Lalit ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > > " loss doesn't mean death, it may be girl child, it may be

> > > hopeless

> > > > > > child, it may be a child with poor health, "

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Please kindly note that the above statement by you is

absurd

> and

> > > > > insulting. Do you consider a girl born is as similar as a

> > > hopeless

> > > > > child?

> > > > > Or similar to a child with poor health? I am sure this has

> > > nothing to

> > > > > do with gender but may be I agree with your other

suggestions.

> > > > >

> > > > > This is the 21st century and gone are the days of the male

> > > dominant

> > > > > society. Don't you have a mother, a sister, a wife or a

> > > daughter? Do

> > > > > you think your mother was born to this world as a result

of a

> > > malefic

> > > > > influence on the lagna lord placed in the 5H of her

mother's

> > > > horoscope?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I am sorry to write like this...but never ever forget that

> male

> > > and

> > > > > female hold equal status in this world.

> > > > >

> > > > > blessings

> > > > >

> > > > > Renu

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreenadh ji,

 

Sure....no problem at all.

 

blessings

 

Renu

 

 

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Renu ji,

> Yes, sunil ji is right. Lalit ji is a good individual; the only

> problem is that he is a bit emotional. Possibly the language

problem

> as indicated by Sunil ji was also involved in that post. He is

> sprouting seed with good potential, and may be in the coming days

we

> may find valuable contributions from him - for astrology. Let us

take

> it in good spirits.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " sunil nair "

> <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Hare ramakrishna,

> >

> > dear renu ji ,

> >

> > lalit will not insult a female because she born as

> female .I

> > know personaly him and is a great devotee of holi mother ,such a

> > persons cannot humilate a woman according to the tradition.

> >

> > Only it was a laungage problem came in while writing the post

> >

> > rgds sunil nair

> >

> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " renunw "

<renunw@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Lalit ji,

> > >

> > > > " loss doesn't mean death, it may be girl child, it may be

> hopeless

> > > > child, it may be a child with poor health, "

> > >

> > >

> > > Please kindly note that the above statement by you is absurd

and

> > > insulting. Do you consider a girl born is as similar as a

hopeless

> > > child?

> > > Or similar to a child with poor health? I am sure this has

> nothing to

> > > do with gender but may be I agree with your other suggestions.

> > >

> > > This is the 21st century and gone are the days of the male

> dominant

> > > society. Don't you have a mother, a sister, a wife or a

daughter?

> Do

> > > you think your mother was born to this world as a result of a

> malefic

> > > influence on the lagna lord placed in the 5H of her mother's

> > horoscope?

> > >

> > >

> > > I am sorry to write like this...but never ever forget that

male

> and

> > > female hold equal status in this world.

> > >

> > > blessings

> > >

> > > Renu

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreenadh ji,

 

No comments..agreed.

 

blessings

 

Renu

 

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil ji,

> Possibly Females are better than Males - They can become

pregnant

> and give birth to the next generation which males can not. They

are

> more resistant to disease, got better longevity compared to men,

more

> flexible to the life circumstances and lives in the moment (a

better

> chance to become enlightened?), can enjoy sex in a better and in

> depth way than men (males are afraid of this capability of

females)

> as so on. May be they are better placed in the ladder of

evolution -

> with all that compassion, love, kindness and affection.

> So let us have a compromise in our benefit - 50:50, Renu ji -

OK?

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " sunil nair "

> <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Hare ramakrishna

> >

> > dear renu ji ,

> >

> > Females are more immune and strong to resist any diseases

may

> be

> > rishis conveying this message .And lalit is speaking from his

> experince

> > of the charts he has seen .I dont think purposeful offence

involved

> > here.

> >

> > See any species females are more than males ,I think if birth

> control

> > meausres and gender determination techniqs may be this theorey

may

> not

> > work in humans.

> >

> > And lord siva has given half f his body to his better half and

he

> become

> > ardha nariswara ,so we surely assume that rishis were not

thinking

> the

> > way we r thinking but our launage has descriptionsies and we hav

> passed

> > tru various times in history .It is mainly the extentinal

attacks

> and

> > subsequent plundering has contributed to it.

> >

> > with regrds

> >

> > sunil nair

> >

> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> >

> >

> > , " renunw "

<renunw@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil ji,

> > >

> > > I am glad if it is so and I do apologize if I had made a

mistake.

> I

> > > am sure he did not intentionally mean to insult...

> > >

> > > Anyway I don't think it was a language problem. What he wrote

was

> > > that afflicted LL in 5H could lead to a birth of a girl child,

a

> > > sick child, a hopeless child and so on. So it is obvious that

he

> has

> > > put 'girl child' also to the same category as any other

> handicapped

> > > or unfortunate child. Don't you think it is unfair to do so?

Why

> > > can't then an afflicted LL in 5H could give birth to a 'boy

> child'?

> > > A healthy girl is as good as a healthy boy. A girl is not born

as

> a

> > > result of affliction to child giving houses!!!

> > >

> > > blessings

> > >

> > > Renu

> > >

> > > , " sunil nair "

> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hare ramakrishna,

> > > >

> > > > dear renu ji ,

> > > >

> > > > lalit will not insult a female because she born as

> > > female .I

> > > > know personaly him and is a great devotee of holi

mother ,such a

> > > > persons cannot humilate a woman according to the tradition.

> > > >

> > > > Only it was a laungage problem came in while writing the post

> > > >

> > > > rgds sunil nair

> > > >

> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " renunw "

> <renunw@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Lalit ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > > " loss doesn't mean death, it may be girl child, it may be

> > > hopeless

> > > > > > child, it may be a child with poor health, "

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Please kindly note that the above statement by you is

absurd

> and

> > > > > insulting. Do you consider a girl born is as similar as a

> > > hopeless

> > > > > child?

> > > > > Or similar to a child with poor health? I am sure this has

> > > nothing to

> > > > > do with gender but may be I agree with your other

suggestions.

> > > > >

> > > > > This is the 21st century and gone are the days of the male

> > > dominant

> > > > > society. Don't you have a mother, a sister, a wife or a

> > > daughter? Do

> > > > > you think your mother was born to this world as a result

of a

> > > malefic

> > > > > influence on the lagna lord placed in the 5H of her

mother's

> > > > horoscope?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I am sorry to write like this...but never ever forget that

> male

> > > and

> > > > > female hold equal status in this world.

> > > > >

> > > > > blessings

> > > > >

> > > > > Renu

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreenadh ji,

 

....and both had untimely & tragic deaths. This is a fine example for

your detailed explanation of how LL in 5H could affect

children/child birth.

 

blessings

 

Renu

 

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Jagadish ji,

> Indira Gandhi had Moon in 5th house - and had 2 boys but no

> girls. She had Cancer Lagna and LL in 5th house Scorpio.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , Prathamesn Chawan

> <upaoakcrest@> wrote:

> >

> > Moon in 5th house and you have boys ... no girls ?

> >

> > Hmm... interesting...

> >

> > Best Wishes

> >

> > Jagdish

> >

> > zhar bird <blagomot@> wrote:

> > My lagna lord is Moon in the 5th house.

> > I had 2 abortions prior to birth of my only son, who also would

> have died if surgery was not performed on him when he was only 6

> weeks old.

> > I certainly hope, my boys will have a long life, as I love him

so.

> > I was never called an angree or self-centered person, and I

cannot

> possibly see it in me either. But, of course, this is not my call

to

> make.

> > I am fairly ambitious, but i am much more into being a good

mother

> to my child and into enjoying my life to the fullest.

> > Please, don't forget that 5th is the house of children

(including

> your inner child), creativity and fun!

> >

> > javed khaanzada <javed_khaanzada@> wrote:

> > Dear Lalit and Srinadh ji,

> >

> > As in Parasar Hora stated:

> >

> > If lagna lord is in 5th, the native would be angry; will have

> moderate well-being from children. The native will lose his first

> child. He would be a proud individual with much self-respect and

> reputation. He would be dear to the king.

> >

> > Mine lagna lord is Mars,which is placed in 5th house in my

lagna

> chart.When my wife was in 3rd month of pregnancy,she had a miss

> carriage in 1993,it was our first baby,after that we have four

> children,quite healthy.

> >

> > Regds-javed

> >

> >

> > litsol <mlalit@> wrote:

> > Dear Srinadh,

> >

> > Leave it, I m not part of ur show, where u r the only script

> writer,

> > director, actor, viewer and even the stage is your's.

> >

> > I had an impression that this is a open group where a collective

> > learning may emerge to make astrology more advanced more

effective

> > but, I feel i was wrong in my understanding, you w'd never

accept

> ur

> > shortcomings and w'd never take inputs from members. so i drop

it.

> >

> > u make ur rules for ur convenience sake, act on ur rules as per

ur

> > convenience and you teach rules to others as per ur conveniince

and

> > define liberty from rules as per ur convenience.

> >

> > when i saw ur post, instinctively, without thinking much about

> > subsequent consequences, happen to respond to you, which will

never

> > be there, i m a I m a easy going man, open minded person.

> >

> > I have no objection, carry on ur show, i m silent.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > , " Sreenadh "

> > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit ji,

> > > The questions in articles are -

> > > * Guidance to think.

> > > * They are part of the process of thinking

> > > * They are not demanding, requesting and asking someone to

come

> > and

> > > give a ready made answer, such as " Perhaps u have not checked

> > malefic

> > > influence on 5'th house with horoscopes... and I will teach

you

> the

> > > remedy, the correct results and the method to be followed " ;

know

> > that

> > > it is to motivate thinking; it is to motivate more fuel to the

> fire

> > > with in; to guide others and me to learn to think itself -

> > > systematically; in the way astrology demands! Note that 7-fold

> > method

> > > is a " Thought Tool " , a methodology for thinking. With a

peaceful

> > mind

> > > think about it - and you will see what I mean.

> > > What the questions you present in your own writeups/articles -

> > you

> > > will what I mean.

> > > ==>

> > > > if ur post is only house specific why u raise such questions

> and

> > > > then try to find answers,

> > > <==

> > > I hope the above section clarifies this. The post was 'house

> > > specific' that too is right.

> > > ==>

> > > > u urself asked the question in ur post - " Why should lagna

> > > > lord going to 5th make the native an angry and aggressive

> > > > individual " and tried to understand the reason

> > > <==

> > > Yes, I did raise that question and tried to answer it -

because

> > that

> > > was a result derived by Parasara and I was thinking about the

> logic

> > > behind it; Certainly that is related to 'House Base'

derivation,

> > and

> > > not related to anything else.

> > > Did you tried to think and find an answer to that question?

Did

> > you

> > > checked the same in some example horoscopes and found that it

> > doesn't

> > > work?

> > > Now let us come to your comment on the same -

> > > Comment -1

> > > ==>

> > > > If u r doing a commentary on the ancient classics, ur

approach

> is

> > > > right and there is lot to learn from such writings, but as

> > > > far as learning is concerned, more urge to study and dissect

> the

> > > > obsecure cases is required.

> > > <==

> > > What do you mean by 'obscure cases'? Do you mean example

> > horoscopes?

> > > The do it yourself - and present the results! That is the way

to

> > go -

> > > an a research approach, and we too would be benefited by that;

go

> > > ahead and do it! Note that the above statement by you lacks

even

> > the

> > > basic understanding that " the article was dealing with House

Base

> > > result derivation, and that too about LL in 5th " !

> > > Comment -2

> > > ==>

> > > > same way, 5'th has connection to 11'th house, the house of

> gains,

> > > > this combination of lagna lord's placement in 5'th house

> > > > makes a person too much ambitious, self cenetered, he is

self

> > > > promting so should be aggressive coz his rise is his main

> > objective

> > > > of the life. This is what i observed.

> > > <==

> > > Yah, that is good logic - and a good suggestion. But note the

> last

> > > statement " This is what i observed " ! We all know that you

started

> > > learning astrology before 5 months only. Of course you are

a

> > smart

> > > learner, and has good logic, (I appreciate that, and happy

about

> > it).

> > > Considering the above facts, possibly if it was something

like -

> > " This

> > > is a better logical derivation I feel " , it would have been

more

> > > pleasant. Even if you have " observed " such combinations -

your

> > > time span of 5 months is not even enough to complete the

training

> > > period and clear the testing phase! :=)

> > > Lalit ji, don't take all these comments personally - I love

you

> > very

> > > much, and know well that it is rare to find such a good

> potential.

> > > But don't do the mistake becoming a teacher; don't do the

mistake

> > of

> > > becoming a teacher - your experience and knowledge is not

enough

> > for

> > > that; I have at least 8 years experience as a professional

> > > astrologer, but still I am a learner and yet to become a

teacher;

> I

> > > don't think in near future it would be possible as well; thus

the

> > > fact is there are no teachers in this group; and never can be.

> > > We are all fellow students here - even though the amount of

> > > knowledge may vary a bit from individual to individual; that

is

> not

> > > much important. But learning to be a learner, and being a

> > learner,

> > > and accepting that i am a learner and that my knowledge is

> limited -

> >

> > > IS important. We simply don't have answers to everything - and

> > never

> > > can be.

> > > Be with me brother and give a bit credit for being elder...

> > > Love and Hugs,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lalit ji,

> > > > Are you noticing that we are deviating from the subject?

> Present

> > > > your views on Lagna lord in 5th in a well written way (In

> > similar

> > > > discussions - Baquya ji does it - he is good; Srinivas ji

does

> > it;

> > > > Sunil Does it; RK ji does it; similarly many more members)

and

> I

> > > will

> > > > love to see the same - whether it be from experience or from

> > Logic.

> > > > Second, I am NOT teaching anybody - but learning and

presenting

> > > > systematically - of course my experience as an astrologer,

and

> of

> > > the

> > > > books would be useful in that effort. But never expect or

feel

> > that

> > > I

> > > > am teaching - I am NOT. Everybody learns by themselves.

> Everybody

> > > > should try to present there sincere " understanding " " about

the

> > > > subject under discussion " with clarity. There is NO Teacher-

> > > Learner,

> > > > Master-Disciple here; But only learners - all members

present

> in

> > > this

> > > > group are humble learners of the astrological wisdom

presented

> by

> > > > sages. I am a learner a student of them, and NOT a teacher

to

> > > anyone.

> > > > Please understand this.

> > > > Love,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > , " litsol "

> > > > <mlalit@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Srinadh,

> > > > >

> > > > > Do u mean, If u r not clear somewhere or u r missing

> something

> > > and

> > > > > someone points out to the mising point, he himself lacks

the

> > > > > understanding, very good approach, sorry to interrupt this

> > time,

> > > > now

> > > > > onwards will never try to correct you.

> > > > >

> > > > > However,u urself asked the question in ur post - " Why

should

> > > lagna

> > > > > lord going to 5th make the native an angry and aggressive

> > > > > individual " and tried to understand the reason, if ur post

is

> > > only

> > > > > house specific why u raise such questions and then try to

> find

> > > > > answers, simply i thuoght to correct ur effort with my

> > > > understanding

> > > > > but ur attitude is very different,So much inclination in

> > teaching

> > > > is

> > > > > affecting ur's learning only.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

, " Sreenadh "

> > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Lalit ji,

> > > > > > Malefic effect in 5th causing many troubles is a known

fact

> > to

> > > > all

> > > > > > astrologers - no explanation is needed on the same.

Knowing

> > > what

> > > > > > those troubles are, needs considering a lot of other

> > > parameters.

> > > > > > Deriving the details - which uses several methodologies

> such

> > as

> > > > > > Bhavat Bhava Chinta, Karkat Bhava chinta, considering

other

> > > > > > combinations - know that there is a big distance to go

and

> it

> > > is

> > > > > not

> > > > > > that simple.

> > > > > > What we are doing here is not trying to reach some

> > inflexible

> > > > > > conclusion; or to analyze someone's horoscope; but to

see

> to

> > > what

> > > > > > extend the slokas on 'House Base' derivation technique

can

> > > point

> > > > > to.

> > > > > > Try to understand things in the context they are.

> > > > > > When you are trying your own bit of logic in something -

> > > present

> > > > > it

> > > > > > that way; Instead of saying this is right or that is

wrong,

> > or

> > > > > > somewhere else is the crux. Present - as per your logic

you

> > > think

> > > > > it

> > > > > > could be so and so. (Don't bring in I have seen such and

> such

> > > in

> > > > > some

> > > > > > horoscope and so let us discuss that horoscope strategy

as

> > > well -

> > > > > > that is not the way. If the same combination is present

in

> > some

> > > > > known

> > > > > > horoscope - the combination alone can be considered for

> > > > > verification,

> > > > > > and other feature or details of that horoscope should be

> > > > neglected.

> > > > > > We should stick to the context and the method of study).

> Loss

> > > can

> > > > > > mean many things -

> > > > > > * It could be abortion

> > > > > > * It could untimely death of son at a later age (as in

the

> > > case

> > > > of

> > > > > > Indira Gandhi)

> > > > > > * It could be a missing son Or there could be many other

> > > > > > possibilities as well.

> > > > > > Neither the sloka nor we are going in to that details -

> > > instead

> > > > > what

> > > > > > we are doing is 'Trying to learn the logical background

and

> > > > > concepts

> > > > > > used in House Base derivation by the sages; and thus

trying

> > to

> > > > > master

> > > > > > that technique' - know this well.

> > > > > > ==>

> > > > > > > there are chances for the entire hard work to be

confined

> > to

> > > > mere

> > > > > > > translation of some shlokas, which i think, is

certainly

> > not

> > > > the

> > > > > > > objective.

> > > > > > <==

> > > > > > Clearly the above words come from lack of understanding

of

> > > > > objective

> > > > > > and strategy, of this group. Please check -

> > > > > > * The previous mails on the same thread

> > > > > > * The files in the files folder dealing with similar

things

> > > > (i.e.

> > > > > > Articles related to 7-fold result derivation technique

of

> > > > astrology)

> > > > > > * Thus instead of starting afresh were you land yourself

in

> > > the

> > > > > > forum, create a background to deal with the subject in

> hand,

> > > > > > systematically.

> > > > > > Note: The document regarding " Lagna lord in various

houses

> > was

> > > > > there

> > > > > > in file section for many days, and mails about file

> uploading

> > > > goes

> > > > > to

> > > > > > every member, the main thread of discussion is on the

same;

> > but

> > > > > alas!

> > > > > > the never read or refer to such files and instead depend

on

> > the

> > > > > > posted mails alone! No serious learner who approach

> astrology

> > > > > > shouldn't follow such a method. He should download and

> study

> > > them

> > > > > > before putting in his bit - and that SHOULD BE a well

> thought

> > > out

> > > > > > one - depicting his sincerity and earnest effort to

> > understand

> > > > and

> > > > > > learn the path shown by the sages " . Whether such a view

> > matches

> > > > > with

> > > > > > mine or not is irrelevant. But the contribution should

be

> > > > valuable -

> > > > >

> > > > > > coming out from research, experience and effort.

> > > > > > Hope the confusion is clarified.

> > > > > > Love and Hugs,

> > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

, " litsol "

> > > > > > <mlalit@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Srinadh,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pls. tell where i m wrong in finding such shortcomings

in

> > > what

> > > > u

> > > > > > > tried to derive and explain after the translation, in

> fact,

> > i

> > > > > saw,

> > > > > > u

> > > > > > > urself tried to understand what is missing, struggled

a

> > lot,

> > > > but

> > > > > > just

> > > > > > > stopped before touching the crux, a gap remained is to

> > cover

> > > > up.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I suggested something for the betterment only.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > loss doesn't mean death, it may be girl child, it may

be

> > > > hopeless

> > > > > > > child, it may be a child with poor health, we need to

be

> > more

> > > > > > specific

> > > > > > > while deriving the results and explaining them to

group.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > be admissive and keep a holistic approach so that a

right

> > > > > learning

> > > > > > > approach could be developed having inputs from every

one,

> > > > > > otherwise,

> > > > > > > there are chances for the entire hardwork to be

confined

> to

> > > > mere

> > > > > > > translation of some shlokas, which i think, is

certainly

> > not

> > > > the

> > > > > > > objective.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > if u mind and dont consider what u r told, i have no

> > business

> > > > to

> > > > > > > interrupt you, u can move on ur ways.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

> , " Sreenadh "

> > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Lalit ji,

> > > > > > > > Did you ever been an astrologer? I think not. Just

> > simply

> > > > > learn!

> > > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> , " litsol "

> > > > > > > > <mlalit@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Srinadh,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Perhapse u have not checked malific influence on

5'th

> > > house

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > horoscopes,However, i appreciate ur efforts to

> > understand

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > consequences of 5'th house as well as lagna lord's

> > > > placement

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > A malific influence in 5'th does not always lead

to

> > loss

> > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > child, this placement sometimes give girl child,

> death

> > of

> > > > > child

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > extreme result which happens in cases of extreme

> > > > malificance.

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > remember once u said during discussion of BB that

> 4'th

> > > > house

> > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > denote loss of child, if 4'th there are other

house

> as

> > > well

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > reference to 5'th house.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If u r doing a commentary on the ancient classics,

ur

> > > > > approach

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > right and there is lot to learn from such

writings,

> but

> > > as

> > > > > far

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > learning is concerned, more urge to study and

dissect

> > the

> > > > > > > obsecure

> > > > > > > > > cases is required.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > same way, 5'th has connection to 11'th house, the

> house

> > > of

> > > > > > gains,

> > > > > > > > > this combination of lagna lord's placement in 5'th

> > house

> > > > > makes

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > person too much ambitious, self cenetered, he is

self

> > > > > promting

> > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > should be aggressive coz his rise is his main

> objective

> > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > life.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This is what i observed.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The results for Lagna lord in 5th house is

> > discussed

> > > > > below.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ==============================================

> > > > > > > > > > Lagna lord in 5th House

> > > > > > > > > > -----------------------------

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th, the native would be

proud

> an

> > > > > > > individual

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > much self-respect and reputation and a bit angry

> but

> > > > > > righteous

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > kind.

> > > > > > > > > > He will have children. He may have moderate well-

> > being

> > > > from

> > > > > > > > > children and

> > > > > > > > > > may lose his first child as well, especially if

> there

> > > is

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > malefic

> > > > > > > > > > influence on 5th house. He would be dear to the

> > people

> > > > with

> > > > > > > power

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > authority. He will have good authority or

rulership

> > and

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > > enjoy a

> > > > > > > > > > good eventful and enjoyable life. Bestowed with

> good

> > > > > > qualities,

> > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > do many good deeds.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th, the native would be

angry;

> > > will

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > moderate

> > > > > > > > > > well-being from children. The native will lose

his

> > > first

> > > > > > child.

> > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > be a proud individual with much self-respect and

> > > > > reputation.

> > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > would be

> > > > > > > > > > dear to the king.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > - Parasara Hora

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Why should lagna lord going to 5th make the

native

> an

> > > > angry

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > aggressive individual? One of the logic behind

> could

> > > be -

> > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > from 3rd house; and Upachaya (increase) stana of

> 3rd

> > > > house.

> > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > signify anger and possibly that is why lagna

lord

> in

> > > 5th

> > > > > > > > increases

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > anger and agitation of the native. But also not

> that

> > > 5th

> > > > is

> > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > from 4th (simple and humble mind) making the

native

> a

> > > > > > straight

> > > > > > > > > forward

> > > > > > > > > > individual. It is also mentioned in the sloka

that

> > the

> > > > > native

> > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > lose

> > > > > > > > > > his first child - why? The natural expectation

> would

> > be

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > in 5th should bestow good results for 5th, thus

> > > providing

> > > > > > > > children

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > happiness from children to the native. Of course

if

> > > lagna

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > in 5th

> > > > > > > > > > is afflicted by some malefic, then it would have

> > double

> > > > > > impact,

> > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > the same would affect both the 5th house and the

> > lagna

> > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > amplifying

> > > > > > > > > > the possibility for bad result. Since 5th could

> > signify

> > > > the

> > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > > > the bad result could be attributed to the first

> child

> > > as

> > > > > > well.

> > > > > > > > > Actually

> > > > > > > > > > this is what we see mentioned in Meenaraja hora.

> But

> > > > > Parasara

> > > > > > > > > provides

> > > > > > > > > > no such clue about any required malefic

influence

> in

> > > 5th

> > > > > > house!

> > > > > > > > We

> > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > wonder stuck by this derivation, and we fail to

> > imagine

> > > > any

> > > > > > > solid

> > > > > > > > > reason

> > > > > > > > > > behind such a derivation in the absence of any

> > malefic

> > > > > > > influence

> > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > > house. Another version of the same sloka is

> > available,

> > > > > which

> > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > provides similar results.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th, the native would be

proud;

> > > will

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > moderate

> > > > > > > > > > well-being from children. He will lose his first

> > child.

> > > > He

> > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > angry and will have special privileges in the

> king's

> > > > place.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > - Parasara Hora

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Apart from minor differences this sloka gives

> almost

> > > same

> > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > above. It seems that, the loss of first child

> should

> > be

> > > > > > > predicted

> > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > if there is a malefic influence in 5th house,

since

> > the

> > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > available

> > > > > > > > > > slokas give good results concerning children if

> lagna

> > > > lord

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > > house. [Note that similar to in this sloka

Parasara

> > > will

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > mention

> > > > > > > > > > `if the lagna lord is malefic and placed in x

> house'

> > in

> > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > other slokas as well. We will encounter this

> writing

> > > > style

> > > > > > > > related

> > > > > > > > > issue

> > > > > > > > > > in many other instances as well] Let us see what

> > > > Meenaraja

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > say.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th house, the native will

have

> > > > > children,

> > > > > > > > > righteous

> > > > > > > > > > and kind. He will have good authority or

rulership

> > and

> > > > will

> > > > > > > enjoy

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > eventful and enjoyable life. Bestowed with good

> > > > qualities,

> > > > > he

> > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > many good deeds.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > - Meenaraja Hora

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In one printed version of Meenaraja Hora the

word

> > > Suseela

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > quoted

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > Sugeeta (Good in singing). Select the proper

word

> > based

> > > > on

> > > > > > > actual

> > > > > > > > > > experience observed.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Note that as per Meenaraja lagna lord in 5th

> > `provides

> > > > > > children'

> > > > > > > > > > and does not `destroy children'. Even though

> Parasara

> > > > only

> > > > > > says

> > > > > > > > > > that `lose of first child could happen', he too

> does

> > > not

> > > > > say

> > > > > > > > > > that `the native will not have children'. If we

> > combine

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > statements of both Parasara and Meenaraja the

only

> > > > > conclusion

> > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > could

> > > > > > > > > > reach is `The native will have children, but he

may

> > > loss

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > child as well'. But it should be noted that the

> loss

> > of

> > > > > first

> > > > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > > > does not seems to be logically supported in the

> > absence

> > > > of

> > > > > > > malefic

> > > > > > > > > > influence on 5th house - this was my initial

> > inference.

> > > > (An

> > > > > > > > > amendment is

> > > > > > > > > > proposed later) The sloka provided by Hora

> Pradeepam

> > is

> > > > > > almost

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > > as that of Meenaraja.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th house, the native will

have

> > > > > children,

> > > > > > > > > righteous

> > > > > > > > > > and kind. He will have good authority or

rulership

> > and

> > > > will

> > > > > > > enjoy

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > eventful and happy life. Bestowed with good

> > qualities,

> > > he

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > good deeds.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > - Hora Pradeepam

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Parasara says that Lagna lord in 5th would make

the

> > > > native

> > > > > > > angry -

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > why?

> > > > > > > > > > Clearly any direct logic is not visible. Sun is

the

> > > > natural

> > > > > > > > > significator

> > > > > > > > > > of Lagna. If we are considering lagna lord in

5th

> as

> > > > > similar

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > sun

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > 5th, then the above derivation would be

justified

> and

> > > > > > possibly

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > lose

> > > > > > > > > > of first child as well. But is it a correct

> approach?

> > I

> > > > am

> > > > > > > > doubtful.

> > > > > > > > > > Only verifying the actual results from charts

with

> > > > similar

> > > > > > > > > combination

> > > > > > > > > > can shed some light on this issue.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Rule 5: Lagna lord in any house should be

treated

> > > similar

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > house, since Sun is the natural significator of

> Lagna.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am a bit doubtful about the validity of the

above

> > > rule.

> > > > > If

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > supported by actual results it is better to

ignore

> > the

> > > > > above

> > > > > > > > rule.

> > > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > logic supplied till now does not seem to be

capable

> > > > enough

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > satisfactorily explain the strong results

proposed

> by

> > > > > > Parasara

> > > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > > as -

> > > > > > > > > > Lagna lord in 5th causing the loss of first

child;

> it

> > > > will

> > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > make the

> > > > > > > > > > native an angry individual. There should be some

> > other

> > > > > logic

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > well.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > On retrospect we feel that - Parasara will not

say

> > > > > something

> > > > > > > > > without a

> > > > > > > > > > sold reason. Why should he bring planets base

> result

> > > (e.g.

> > > > > > > > > > benefic/malefic) into it, when he was dealing

with

> > > House

> > > > > base

> > > > > > > > > > prediction? That is not logical. There could be

> some

> > > > other

> > > > > in-

> > > > > > > > depth

> > > > > > > > > > reason. Yes, you are right - there is. Let us

> analyze

> > > all

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > possible

> > > > > > > > > > houses and lagna lord in their fifth house, and

> check

> > > > > whether

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > > can cause the loss of child -

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 1) Aries lagna, lagna lord Mars in Leo: Yes, Leo

is

> a

> > > > sign

> > > > > > > > > signifying

> > > > > > > > > > less children, and Mars a malefic in it can

> indicate

> > > loss

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > sure.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 2) Taurus lagna, lagna lord Venus in Virgo:

Virgo

> is

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > debilitation

> > > > > > > > > > sign for Venus. Also not that Venus owns the

> lordship

> > > of

> > > > > 6th

> > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > well. Thus for sure for Taurus lagna Venus in

5th

> can

> > > > > > indicate

> > > > > > > > loss

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > child for sure.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 3) Gemini lagna, lagna lord Me in Libra: Note

that

> > > Venus

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > Libra owns the 12th house (house indicating

death)

> as

> > > > well.

> > > > > > > > > Possibly the

> > > > > > > > > > combination can indicate loss or death.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 4) Cancer lagna, Moon in Scorpio: Scorpio is the

> > > > > debilitation

> > > > > > > > sign

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > Moon. Ofcourse the same can indicate the loss of

> > child.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 5) Leo lagna, Sun in Sagittarius: Note that the

> lord

> > of

> > > > > > > > Sagittarius

> > > > > > > > > > Jupiter owns the 8th house (death) as well. Thus

> > > > certainly

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > combination can indicate the loss or death of

child.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 6) Virgo lagna, Me in Capricorn: The lord of

> > Capricorn

> > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > owns

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > 6th house as well. Possibly the combination can

> > > indicate

> > > > > bad

> > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > such as loss of child - amended by the fact that

> both

> > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > are imbecile planets.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 7) Libra lagna, Venus in Aquarius: Note that

lagna

> > lord

> > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > the 8th lord. Certainly 8th lord is a malefic,

and

> a

> > > > > malefic

> > > > > > > > placed

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > 5th can indicate lose of child.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If you continue this analysis, you could see

that

> for

> > > > most

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 12

> > > > > > > > > > signs, lagna lord placed in 5th can indicate the

> loss

> > > of

> > > > > > child,

> > > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > > though the same does not match perfectly for

> Aquarius

> > > and

> > > > > > > Pisces

> > > > > > > > > Lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > Thus it becomes clear that Parasara was not

making

> a

> > > > > > statement

> > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > base or without understanding. His derivation

> sprung

> > > from

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > deep

> > > > > > > > > > understanding that `for all the 12 signs, lagna

> lord

> > in

> > > > 5th

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > favorably placed, and this can be crystallized

into

> > the

> > > > > brief

> > > > > > > > > statement

> > > > > > > > > > - lagna lord in 5th can indicate bad results

such

> as -

> >

> > > > loss

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > child and anger'. Then is it that Meenaraja was

> wrong

> > > and

> > > > > > > Parasara

> > > > > > > > > > was right? No, it is not so. Meenaraja was

deriving

> a

> > > > > result

> > > > > > > > based

> > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > the prime condition – Lagna lord in 5th alone.

For

> > this

> > > > > prime

> > > > > > > > > > combination Meenaraja's derivation is absolutely

> > right.

> > > > But

> > > > > > > > > > Parasara's amendment springs from his deep

> > > understanding

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > zodiac. He knew that the general statement

> regarding

> > > > lagna

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > houses may not be completely true for lagna lord

in

> > > 5th,

> > > > > due

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > essential mutually co-related nature of the

signs

> > > itself.

> > > > > So

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > opinion

> > > > > > > > > > would be, `Yes, Meenaraja is right. But you know

> the

> > > > Signs

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > Zodiac, they have some specific connection to

death

> > as

> > > > far

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > is concerned. So your general derivation as

> proposed

> > by

> > > > > > > Meenaraja

> > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > not work in this case. Consider this special

nature

> > of

> > > > 5th

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > signs and modify your derivation accordingly.

The

> you

> > > > will

> > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > that,

> > > > > > > > > > lagna lord in 5th can signify many bad results

such

> > as

> > > > loss

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > child and anger'. It must be this deeper

> > understanding

> > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > prompted Parasara to suggest such a result. Yes,

> > > > Meenaraja

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > right, but

> > > > > > > > > > Parasara is also not off the mark. Meenaraja is

> > > concerned

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > general logic of the derivation only, but

Parasara

> > goes

> > > > > > deeper

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > general zodiacal context. Note it - possibly in

> other

> > > > > > > situations

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > > the same could be the case - Parasara has a

better

> > > > > > > understanding

> > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > the zodiacal context, and may mix it with

general

> > > result

> > > > > > > > > derivation. His

> > > > > > > > > > thought and understanding penetrates into

deaths;

> and

> > > is

> > > > > more

> > > > > > > far

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > wide. He is not depended on mere logic alone -

he

> is

> > > more

> > > > > > > > > practical. It

> > > > > > > > > > is because of this in-depth understanding;

Parasara

> > is

> > > > > termed

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > sage,

> > > > > > > > > > but Meenaraja a king, a scholar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > But even this understanding of Parasara view

does

> not

> > > > does

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > allow me

> > > > > > > > > > to pardon him - because here to derive the

result

> he

> > > > mixed

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > methods

> > > > > > > > > > of Sign-House Base result derivation, while

dealing

> > > with

> > > > > > House

> > > > > > > > Base

> > > > > > > > > > result derivation - causing confusion to the

> learner.

> > I

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > suggest

> > > > > > > > > > that, in this context, the beginners should

stick

> to

> > > the

> > > > > > > cleaner

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > systematic approach proposed by Meenaraja, while

> > trying

> > > > to

> > > > > > > master

> > > > > > > > > House

> > > > > > > > > > Base result derivation technique. The deeper

> > > > possibilities

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > modification to the suggested results should

dealt

> > with

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > understood,

> > > > > > > > > > while trying to learn Sign-House Base result

> > derivation

> > > > > > > technique.

> > > > > > > > > > The 5th house signifies things such as -

children,

> > > > > > intelligence,

> > > > > > > > > > creativity, genius, stomach, belly, ministers,

> secret

> > > > hymns

> > > > > > > > recited

> > > > > > > > > etc.

> > > > > > > > > > Thus the placement of lagna lord in 5th

generates

> > > special

> > > > > > > > > importance to

> > > > > > > > > > the derivations related to the same.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Extract from:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

This is ridiculous, saying males or betters then femaes or females

are better then males. try to accept that same soul owns male or

female body. such a comparision or praise has no base

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

 

 

, " renunw "

<renunw wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadh ji,

>

> No comments..agreed.

>

> blessings

>

> Renu

>

> , " Sreenadh "

> <sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil ji,

> > Possibly Females are better than Males - They can become

> pregnant

> > and give birth to the next generation which males can not. They

> are

> > more resistant to disease, got better longevity compared to men,

> more

> > flexible to the life circumstances and lives in the moment (a

> better

> > chance to become enlightened?), can enjoy sex in a better and in

> > depth way than men (males are afraid of this capability of

> females)

> > as so on. May be they are better placed in the ladder of

> evolution -

> > with all that compassion, love, kindness and affection.

> > So let us have a compromise in our benefit - 50:50, Renu ji -

> OK?

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , " sunil nair "

> > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Hare ramakrishna

> > >

> > > dear renu ji ,

> > >

> > > Females are more immune and strong to resist any diseases

> may

> > be

> > > rishis conveying this message .And lalit is speaking from his

> > experince

> > > of the charts he has seen .I dont think purposeful offence

> involved

> > > here.

> > >

> > > See any species females are more than males ,I think if

birth

> > control

> > > meausres and gender determination techniqs may be this theorey

> may

> > not

> > > work in humans.

> > >

> > > And lord siva has given half f his body to his better half and

> he

> > become

> > > ardha nariswara ,so we surely assume that rishis were not

> thinking

> > the

> > > way we r thinking but our launage has descriptionsies and we

hav

> > passed

> > > tru various times in history .It is mainly the extentinal

> attacks

> > and

> > > subsequent plundering has contributed to it.

> > >

> > > with regrds

> > >

> > > sunil nair

> > >

> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> > >

> > >

> > > , " renunw "

> <renunw@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunil ji,

> > > >

> > > > I am glad if it is so and I do apologize if I had made a

> mistake.

> > I

> > > > am sure he did not intentionally mean to insult...

> > > >

> > > > Anyway I don't think it was a language problem. What he wrote

> was

> > > > that afflicted LL in 5H could lead to a birth of a girl

child,

> a

> > > > sick child, a hopeless child and so on. So it is obvious that

> he

> > has

> > > > put 'girl child' also to the same category as any other

> > handicapped

> > > > or unfortunate child. Don't you think it is unfair to do so?

> Why

> > > > can't then an afflicted LL in 5H could give birth to a 'boy

> > child'?

> > > > A healthy girl is as good as a healthy boy. A girl is not

born

> as

> > a

> > > > result of affliction to child giving houses!!!

> > > >

> > > > blessings

> > > >

> > > > Renu

> > > >

> > > > , " sunil nair "

> > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hare ramakrishna,

> > > > >

> > > > > dear renu ji ,

> > > > >

> > > > > lalit will not insult a female because she born as

> > > > female .I

> > > > > know personaly him and is a great devotee of holi

> mother ,such a

> > > > > persons cannot humilate a woman according to the tradition.

> > > > >

> > > > > Only it was a laungage problem came in while writing the

post

> > > > >

> > > > > rgds sunil nair

> > > > >

> > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " renunw "

> > <renunw@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Lalit ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > " loss doesn't mean death, it may be girl child, it may

be

> > > > hopeless

> > > > > > > child, it may be a child with poor health, "

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please kindly note that the above statement by you is

> absurd

> > and

> > > > > > insulting. Do you consider a girl born is as similar as a

> > > > hopeless

> > > > > > child?

> > > > > > Or similar to a child with poor health? I am sure this has

> > > > nothing to

> > > > > > do with gender but may be I agree with your other

> suggestions.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is the 21st century and gone are the days of the male

> > > > dominant

> > > > > > society. Don't you have a mother, a sister, a wife or a

> > > > daughter? Do

> > > > > > you think your mother was born to this world as a result

> of a

> > > > malefic

> > > > > > influence on the lagna lord placed in the 5H of her

> mother's

> > > > > horoscope?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am sorry to write like this...but never ever forget

that

> > male

> > > > and

> > > > > > female hold equal status in this world.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > blessings

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Renu

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

what is the age for a man to be considered as child ?

A man dying year's after her mother's death and after his own

fatherhood and we are trying to say his death is a death of the child.

 

One thing is there to explore and that is, why she had boy children

despite moon's placement oin 5'th, what are other parameters, is the

horoscope in consideration is correct ? is there no role of father's

horoscope in determining sex of the child?

 

It's too early to conclude lagna lord in 5'th means death of the

child.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

 

 

, " renunw "

<renunw wrote:

>

>

> Dear Sreenadh ji,

>

> ...and both had untimely & tragic deaths. This is a fine example

for

> your detailed explanation of how LL in 5H could affect

> children/child birth.

>

> blessings

>

> Renu

>

> , " Sreenadh "

> <sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jagadish ji,

> > Indira Gandhi had Moon in 5th house - and had 2 boys but no

> > girls. She had Cancer Lagna and LL in 5th house Scorpio.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , Prathamesn

Chawan

> > <upaoakcrest@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Moon in 5th house and you have boys ... no girls ?

> > >

> > > Hmm... interesting...

> > >

> > > Best Wishes

> > >

> > > Jagdish

> > >

> > > zhar bird <blagomot@> wrote:

> > > My lagna lord is Moon in the 5th house.

> > > I had 2 abortions prior to birth of my only son, who also would

> > have died if surgery was not performed on him when he was only 6

> > weeks old.

> > > I certainly hope, my boys will have a long life, as I love him

> so.

> > > I was never called an angree or self-centered person, and I

> cannot

> > possibly see it in me either. But, of course, this is not my call

> to

> > make.

> > > I am fairly ambitious, but i am much more into being a good

> mother

> > to my child and into enjoying my life to the fullest.

> > > Please, don't forget that 5th is the house of children

> (including

> > your inner child), creativity and fun!

> > >

> > > javed khaanzada <javed_khaanzada@> wrote:

> > > Dear Lalit and Srinadh ji,

> > >

> > > As in Parasar Hora stated:

> > >

> > > If lagna lord is in 5th, the native would be angry; will have

> > moderate well-being from children. The native will lose his first

> > child. He would be a proud individual with much self-respect and

> > reputation. He would be dear to the king.

> > >

> > > Mine lagna lord is Mars,which is placed in 5th house in my

> lagna

> > chart.When my wife was in 3rd month of pregnancy,she had a miss

> > carriage in 1993,it was our first baby,after that we have four

> > children,quite healthy.

> > >

> > > Regds-javed

> > >

> > >

> > > litsol <mlalit@> wrote:

> > > Dear Srinadh,

> > >

> > > Leave it, I m not part of ur show, where u r the only script

> > writer,

> > > director, actor, viewer and even the stage is your's.

> > >

> > > I had an impression that this is a open group where a

collective

> > > learning may emerge to make astrology more advanced more

> effective

> > > but, I feel i was wrong in my understanding, you w'd never

> accept

> > ur

> > > shortcomings and w'd never take inputs from members. so i drop

> it.

> > >

> > > u make ur rules for ur convenience sake, act on ur rules as per

> ur

> > > convenience and you teach rules to others as per ur conveniince

> and

> > > define liberty from rules as per ur convenience.

> > >

> > > when i saw ur post, instinctively, without thinking much about

> > > subsequent consequences, happen to respond to you, which will

> never

> > > be there, i m a I m a easy going man, open minded person.

> > >

> > > I have no objection, carry on ur show, i m silent.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lalit ji,

> > > > The questions in articles are -

> > > > * Guidance to think.

> > > > * They are part of the process of thinking

> > > > * They are not demanding, requesting and asking someone to

> come

> > > and

> > > > give a ready made answer, such as " Perhaps u have not checked

> > > malefic

> > > > influence on 5'th house with horoscopes... and I will teach

> you

> > the

> > > > remedy, the correct results and the method to be followed " ;

> know

> > > that

> > > > it is to motivate thinking; it is to motivate more fuel to

the

> > fire

> > > > with in; to guide others and me to learn to think itself -

> > > > systematically; in the way astrology demands! Note that 7-

fold

> > > method

> > > > is a " Thought Tool " , a methodology for thinking. With a

> peaceful

> > > mind

> > > > think about it - and you will see what I mean.

> > > > What the questions you present in your own writeups/articles -

 

> > > you

> > > > will what I mean.

> > > > ==>

> > > > > if ur post is only house specific why u raise such

questions

> > and

> > > > > then try to find answers,

> > > > <==

> > > > I hope the above section clarifies this. The post was 'house

> > > > specific' that too is right.

> > > > ==>

> > > > > u urself asked the question in ur post - " Why should lagna

> > > > > lord going to 5th make the native an angry and aggressive

> > > > > individual " and tried to understand the reason

> > > > <==

> > > > Yes, I did raise that question and tried to answer it -

> because

> > > that

> > > > was a result derived by Parasara and I was thinking about the

> > logic

> > > > behind it; Certainly that is related to 'House Base'

> derivation,

> > > and

> > > > not related to anything else.

> > > > Did you tried to think and find an answer to that question?

> Did

> > > you

> > > > checked the same in some example horoscopes and found that it

> > > doesn't

> > > > work?

> > > > Now let us come to your comment on the same -

> > > > Comment -1

> > > > ==>

> > > > > If u r doing a commentary on the ancient classics, ur

> approach

> > is

> > > > > right and there is lot to learn from such writings, but as

> > > > > far as learning is concerned, more urge to study and

dissect

> > the

> > > > > obsecure cases is required.

> > > > <==

> > > > What do you mean by 'obscure cases'? Do you mean example

> > > horoscopes?

> > > > The do it yourself - and present the results! That is the way

> to

> > > go -

> > > > an a research approach, and we too would be benefited by

that;

> go

> > > > ahead and do it! Note that the above statement by you lacks

> even

> > > the

> > > > basic understanding that " the article was dealing with House

> Base

> > > > result derivation, and that too about LL in 5th " !

> > > > Comment -2

> > > > ==>

> > > > > same way, 5'th has connection to 11'th house, the house of

> > gains,

> > > > > this combination of lagna lord's placement in 5'th house

> > > > > makes a person too much ambitious, self cenetered, he is

> self

> > > > > promting so should be aggressive coz his rise is his main

> > > objective

> > > > > of the life. This is what i observed.

> > > > <==

> > > > Yah, that is good logic - and a good suggestion. But note the

> > last

> > > > statement " This is what i observed " ! We all know that you

> started

> > > > learning astrology before 5 months only. Of course you are

> a

> > > smart

> > > > learner, and has good logic, (I appreciate that, and happy

> about

> > > it).

> > > > Considering the above facts, possibly if it was something

> like -

> > > " This

> > > > is a better logical derivation I feel " , it would have been

> more

> > > > pleasant. Even if you have " observed " such combinations -

> your

> > > > time span of 5 months is not even enough to complete the

> training

> > > > period and clear the testing phase! :=)

> > > > Lalit ji, don't take all these comments personally - I love

> you

> > > very

> > > > much, and know well that it is rare to find such a good

> > potential.

> > > > But don't do the mistake becoming a teacher; don't do the

> mistake

> > > of

> > > > becoming a teacher - your experience and knowledge is not

> enough

> > > for

> > > > that; I have at least 8 years experience as a professional

> > > > astrologer, but still I am a learner and yet to become a

> teacher;

> > I

> > > > don't think in near future it would be possible as well; thus

> the

> > > > fact is there are no teachers in this group; and never can

be.

> > > > We are all fellow students here - even though the amount of

> > > > knowledge may vary a bit from individual to individual; that

> is

> > not

> > > > much important. But learning to be a learner, and being a

> > > learner,

> > > > and accepting that i am a learner and that my knowledge is

> > limited -

> > >

> > > > IS important. We simply don't have answers to everything -

and

> > > never

> > > > can be.

> > > > Be with me brother and give a bit credit for being elder...

> > > > Love and Hugs,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lalit ji,

> > > > > Are you noticing that we are deviating from the subject?

> > Present

> > > > > your views on Lagna lord in 5th in a well written way (In

> > > similar

> > > > > discussions - Baquya ji does it - he is good; Srinivas ji

> does

> > > it;

> > > > > Sunil Does it; RK ji does it; similarly many more members)

> and

> > I

> > > > will

> > > > > love to see the same - whether it be from experience or

from

> > > Logic.

> > > > > Second, I am NOT teaching anybody - but learning and

> presenting

> > > > > systematically - of course my experience as an astrologer,

> and

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > books would be useful in that effort. But never expect or

> feel

> > > that

> > > > I

> > > > > am teaching - I am NOT. Everybody learns by themselves.

> > Everybody

> > > > > should try to present there sincere " understanding " " about

> the

> > > > > subject under discussion " with clarity. There is NO Teacher-

> > > > Learner,

> > > > > Master-Disciple here; But only learners - all members

> present

> > in

> > > > this

> > > > > group are humble learners of the astrological wisdom

> presented

> > by

> > > > > sages. I am a learner a student of them, and NOT a teacher

> to

> > > > anyone.

> > > > > Please understand this.

> > > > > Love,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > > , " litsol "

> > > > > <mlalit@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Srinadh,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Do u mean, If u r not clear somewhere or u r missing

> > something

> > > > and

> > > > > > someone points out to the mising point, he himself lacks

> the

> > > > > > understanding, very good approach, sorry to interrupt

this

> > > time,

> > > > > now

> > > > > > onwards will never try to correct you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However,u urself asked the question in ur post - " Why

> should

> > > > lagna

> > > > > > lord going to 5th make the native an angry and aggressive

> > > > > > individual " and tried to understand the reason, if ur

post

> is

> > > > only

> > > > > > house specific why u raise such questions and then try to

> > find

> > > > > > answers, simply i thuoght to correct ur effort with my

> > > > > understanding

> > > > > > but ur attitude is very different,So much inclination in

> > > teaching

> > > > > is

> > > > > > affecting ur's learning only.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

> , " Sreenadh "

> > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Lalit ji,

> > > > > > > Malefic effect in 5th causing many troubles is a known

> fact

> > > to

> > > > > all

> > > > > > > astrologers - no explanation is needed on the same.

> Knowing

> > > > what

> > > > > > > those troubles are, needs considering a lot of other

> > > > parameters.

> > > > > > > Deriving the details - which uses several methodologies

> > such

> > > as

> > > > > > > Bhavat Bhava Chinta, Karkat Bhava chinta, considering

> other

> > > > > > > combinations - know that there is a big distance to go

> and

> > it

> > > > is

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > that simple.

> > > > > > > What we are doing here is not trying to reach some

> > > inflexible

> > > > > > > conclusion; or to analyze someone's horoscope; but to

> see

> > to

> > > > what

> > > > > > > extend the slokas on 'House Base' derivation technique

> can

> > > > point

> > > > > > to.

> > > > > > > Try to understand things in the context they are.

> > > > > > > When you are trying your own bit of logic in something -

 

> > > > present

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > that way; Instead of saying this is right or that is

> wrong,

> > > or

> > > > > > > somewhere else is the crux. Present - as per your logic

> you

> > > > think

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > could be so and so. (Don't bring in I have seen such

and

> > such

> > > > in

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > horoscope and so let us discuss that horoscope strategy

> as

> > > > well -

> > > > > > > that is not the way. If the same combination is present

> in

> > > some

> > > > > > known

> > > > > > > horoscope - the combination alone can be considered for

> > > > > > verification,

> > > > > > > and other feature or details of that horoscope should

be

> > > > > neglected.

> > > > > > > We should stick to the context and the method of

study).

> > Loss

> > > > can

> > > > > > > mean many things -

> > > > > > > * It could be abortion

> > > > > > > * It could untimely death of son at a later age (as in

> the

> > > > case

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > Indira Gandhi)

> > > > > > > * It could be a missing son Or there could be many

other

> > > > > > > possibilities as well.

> > > > > > > Neither the sloka nor we are going in to that details -

> > > > instead

> > > > > > what

> > > > > > > we are doing is 'Trying to learn the logical background

> and

> > > > > > concepts

> > > > > > > used in House Base derivation by the sages; and thus

> trying

> > > to

> > > > > > master

> > > > > > > that technique' - know this well.

> > > > > > > ==>

> > > > > > > > there are chances for the entire hard work to be

> confined

> > > to

> > > > > mere

> > > > > > > > translation of some shlokas, which i think, is

> certainly

> > > not

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > objective.

> > > > > > > <==

> > > > > > > Clearly the above words come from lack of understanding

> of

> > > > > > objective

> > > > > > > and strategy, of this group. Please check -

> > > > > > > * The previous mails on the same thread

> > > > > > > * The files in the files folder dealing with similar

> things

> > > > > (i.e.

> > > > > > > Articles related to 7-fold result derivation technique

> of

> > > > > astrology)

> > > > > > > * Thus instead of starting afresh were you land

yourself

> in

> > > > the

> > > > > > > forum, create a background to deal with the subject in

> > hand,

> > > > > > > systematically.

> > > > > > > Note: The document regarding " Lagna lord in various

> houses

> > > was

> > > > > > there

> > > > > > > in file section for many days, and mails about file

> > uploading

> > > > > goes

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > every member, the main thread of discussion is on the

> same;

> > > but

> > > > > > alas!

> > > > > > > the never read or refer to such files and instead

depend

> on

> > > the

> > > > > > > posted mails alone! No serious learner who approach

> > astrology

> > > > > > > shouldn't follow such a method. He should download and

> > study

> > > > them

> > > > > > > before putting in his bit - and that SHOULD BE a well

> > thought

> > > > out

> > > > > > > one - depicting his sincerity and earnest effort to

> > > understand

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > learn the path shown by the sages " . Whether such a view

> > > matches

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > mine or not is irrelevant. But the contribution should

> be

> > > > > valuable -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > coming out from research, experience and effort.

> > > > > > > Hope the confusion is clarified.

> > > > > > > Love and Hugs,

> > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

> , " litsol "

> > > > > > > <mlalit@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Srinadh,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pls. tell where i m wrong in finding such

shortcomings

> in

> > > > what

> > > > > u

> > > > > > > > tried to derive and explain after the translation, in

> > fact,

> > > i

> > > > > > saw,

> > > > > > > u

> > > > > > > > urself tried to understand what is missing, struggled

> a

> > > lot,

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > stopped before touching the crux, a gap remained is

to

> > > cover

> > > > > up.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I suggested something for the betterment only.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > loss doesn't mean death, it may be girl child, it may

> be

> > > > > hopeless

> > > > > > > > child, it may be a child with poor health, we need to

> be

> > > more

> > > > > > > specific

> > > > > > > > while deriving the results and explaining them to

> group.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > be admissive and keep a holistic approach so that a

> right

> > > > > > learning

> > > > > > > > approach could be developed having inputs from every

> one,

> > > > > > > otherwise,

> > > > > > > > there are chances for the entire hardwork to be

> confined

> > to

> > > > > mere

> > > > > > > > translation of some shlokas, which i think, is

> certainly

> > > not

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > objective.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > if u mind and dont consider what u r told, i have no

> > > business

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > interrupt you, u can move on ur ways.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> > , " Sreenadh "

> > > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit ji,

> > > > > > > > > Did you ever been an astrologer? I think not. Just

> > > simply

> > > > > > learn!

> > > > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > , " litsol "

> > > > > > > > > <mlalit@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Srinadh,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Perhapse u have not checked malific influence on

> 5'th

> > > > house

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > horoscopes,However, i appreciate ur efforts to

> > > understand

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > consequences of 5'th house as well as lagna

lord's

> > > > > placement

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > A malific influence in 5'th does not always lead

> to

> > > loss

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > child, this placement sometimes give girl child,

> > death

> > > of

> > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > extreme result which happens in cases of extreme

> > > > > malificance.

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > remember once u said during discussion of BB that

> > 4'th

> > > > > house

> > > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > > denote loss of child, if 4'th there are other

> house

> > as

> > > > well

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > reference to 5'th house.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If u r doing a commentary on the ancient

classics,

> ur

> > > > > > approach

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > right and there is lot to learn from such

> writings,

> > but

> > > > as

> > > > > > far

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > learning is concerned, more urge to study and

> dissect

> > > the

> > > > > > > > obsecure

> > > > > > > > > > cases is required.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > same way, 5'th has connection to 11'th house, the

> > house

> > > > of

> > > > > > > gains,

> > > > > > > > > > this combination of lagna lord's placement in

5'th

> > > house

> > > > > > makes

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > person too much ambitious, self cenetered, he is

> self

> > > > > > promting

> > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > should be aggressive coz his rise is his main

> > objective

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > life.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This is what i observed.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > > > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The results for Lagna lord in 5th house is

> > > discussed

> > > > > > below.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ==============================================

> > > > > > > > > > > Lagna lord in 5th House

> > > > > > > > > > > -----------------------------

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th, the native would be

> proud

> > an

> > > > > > > > individual

> > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > much self-respect and reputation and a bit

angry

> > but

> > > > > > > righteous

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > kind.

> > > > > > > > > > > He will have children. He may have moderate

well-

> > > being

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > children and

> > > > > > > > > > > may lose his first child as well, especially if

> > there

> > > > is

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > malefic

> > > > > > > > > > > influence on 5th house. He would be dear to the

> > > people

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > power

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > authority. He will have good authority or

> rulership

> > > and

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > enjoy a

> > > > > > > > > > > good eventful and enjoyable life. Bestowed with

> > good

> > > > > > > qualities,

> > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > do many good deeds.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th, the native would be

> angry;

> > > > will

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > moderate

> > > > > > > > > > > well-being from children. The native will lose

> his

> > > > first

> > > > > > > child.

> > > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > be a proud individual with much self-respect

and

> > > > > > reputation.

> > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > would be

> > > > > > > > > > > dear to the king.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > - Parasara Hora

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Why should lagna lord going to 5th make the

> native

> > an

> > > > > angry

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > aggressive individual? One of the logic behind

> > could

> > > > be -

> > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > > from 3rd house; and Upachaya (increase) stana

of

> > 3rd

> > > > > house.

> > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > signify anger and possibly that is why lagna

> lord

> > in

> > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > increases

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > anger and agitation of the native. But also not

> > that

> > > > 5th

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > from 4th (simple and humble mind) making the

> native

> > a

> > > > > > > straight

> > > > > > > > > > forward

> > > > > > > > > > > individual. It is also mentioned in the sloka

> that

> > > the

> > > > > > native

> > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > lose

> > > > > > > > > > > his first child - why? The natural expectation

> > would

> > > be

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > in 5th should bestow good results for 5th, thus

> > > > providing

> > > > > > > > > children

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > happiness from children to the native. Of

course

> if

> > > > lagna

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > in 5th

> > > > > > > > > > > is afflicted by some malefic, then it would

have

> > > double

> > > > > > > impact,

> > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > the same would affect both the 5th house and

the

> > > lagna

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > amplifying

> > > > > > > > > > > the possibility for bad result. Since 5th could

> > > signify

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > > > > the bad result could be attributed to the first

> > child

> > > > as

> > > > > > > well.

> > > > > > > > > > Actually

> > > > > > > > > > > this is what we see mentioned in Meenaraja

hora.

> > But

> > > > > > Parasara

> > > > > > > > > > provides

> > > > > > > > > > > no such clue about any required malefic

> influence

> > in

> > > > 5th

> > > > > > > house!

> > > > > > > > > We

> > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > wonder stuck by this derivation, and we fail to

> > > imagine

> > > > > any

> > > > > > > > solid

> > > > > > > > > > reason

> > > > > > > > > > > behind such a derivation in the absence of any

> > > malefic

> > > > > > > > influence

> > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > > > house. Another version of the same sloka is

> > > available,

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > provides similar results.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th, the native would be

> proud;

> > > > will

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > moderate

> > > > > > > > > > > well-being from children. He will lose his

first

> > > child.

> > > > > He

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > angry and will have special privileges in the

> > king's

> > > > > place.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > - Parasara Hora

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Apart from minor differences this sloka gives

> > almost

> > > > same

> > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > above. It seems that, the loss of first child

> > should

> > > be

> > > > > > > > predicted

> > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > if there is a malefic influence in 5th house,

> since

> > > the

> > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > available

> > > > > > > > > > > slokas give good results concerning children if

> > lagna

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > > > house. [Note that similar to in this sloka

> Parasara

> > > > will

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > mention

> > > > > > > > > > > `if the lagna lord is malefic and placed in x

> > house'

> > > in

> > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > > other slokas as well. We will encounter this

> > writing

> > > > > style

> > > > > > > > > related

> > > > > > > > > > issue

> > > > > > > > > > > in many other instances as well] Let us see

what

> > > > > Meenaraja

> > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > say.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th house, the native will

> have

> > > > > > children,

> > > > > > > > > > righteous

> > > > > > > > > > > and kind. He will have good authority or

> rulership

> > > and

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > > enjoy

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > eventful and enjoyable life. Bestowed with good

> > > > > qualities,

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > > many good deeds.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > - Meenaraja Hora

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In one printed version of Meenaraja Hora the

> word

> > > > Suseela

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > quoted

> > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > Sugeeta (Good in singing). Select the proper

> word

> > > based

> > > > > on

> > > > > > > > actual

> > > > > > > > > > > experience observed.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Note that as per Meenaraja lagna lord in 5th

> > > `provides

> > > > > > > children'

> > > > > > > > > > > and does not `destroy children'. Even though

> > Parasara

> > > > > only

> > > > > > > says

> > > > > > > > > > > that `lose of first child could happen', he too

> > does

> > > > not

> > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > > > > that `the native will not have children'. If we

> > > combine

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > statements of both Parasara and Meenaraja the

> only

> > > > > > conclusion

> > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > could

> > > > > > > > > > > reach is `The native will have children, but he

> may

> > > > loss

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > > child as well'. But it should be noted that the

> > loss

> > > of

> > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > > > > does not seems to be logically supported in the

> > > absence

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > malefic

> > > > > > > > > > > influence on 5th house - this was my initial

> > > inference.

> > > > > (An

> > > > > > > > > > amendment is

> > > > > > > > > > > proposed later) The sloka provided by Hora

> > Pradeepam

> > > is

> > > > > > > almost

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > > > as that of Meenaraja.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th house, the native will

> have

> > > > > > children,

> > > > > > > > > > righteous

> > > > > > > > > > > and kind. He will have good authority or

> rulership

> > > and

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > > enjoy

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > eventful and happy life. Bestowed with good

> > > qualities,

> > > > he

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > > good deeds.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > - Hora Pradeepam

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Parasara says that Lagna lord in 5th would make

> the

> > > > > native

> > > > > > > > angry -

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > why?

> > > > > > > > > > > Clearly any direct logic is not visible. Sun is

> the

> > > > > natural

> > > > > > > > > > significator

> > > > > > > > > > > of Lagna. If we are considering lagna lord in

> 5th

> > as

> > > > > > similar

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > sun

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > 5th, then the above derivation would be

> justified

> > and

> > > > > > > possibly

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > lose

> > > > > > > > > > > of first child as well. But is it a correct

> > approach?

> > > I

> > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > doubtful.

> > > > > > > > > > > Only verifying the actual results from charts

> with

> > > > > similar

> > > > > > > > > > combination

> > > > > > > > > > > can shed some light on this issue.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Rule 5: Lagna lord in any house should be

> treated

> > > > similar

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > house, since Sun is the natural significator of

> > Lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I am a bit doubtful about the validity of the

> above

> > > > rule.

> > > > > > If

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > supported by actual results it is better to

> ignore

> > > the

> > > > > > above

> > > > > > > > > rule.

> > > > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > logic supplied till now does not seem to be

> capable

> > > > > enough

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > satisfactorily explain the strong results

> proposed

> > by

> > > > > > > Parasara

> > > > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > > > as -

> > > > > > > > > > > Lagna lord in 5th causing the loss of first

> child;

> > it

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > make the

> > > > > > > > > > > native an angry individual. There should be

some

> > > other

> > > > > > logic

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > well.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > On retrospect we feel that - Parasara will not

> say

> > > > > > something

> > > > > > > > > > without a

> > > > > > > > > > > sold reason. Why should he bring planets base

> > result

> > > > (e.g.

> > > > > > > > > > > benefic/malefic) into it, when he was dealing

> with

> > > > House

> > > > > > base

> > > > > > > > > > > prediction? That is not logical. There could be

> > some

> > > > > other

> > > > > > in-

> > > > > > > > > depth

> > > > > > > > > > > reason. Yes, you are right - there is. Let us

> > analyze

> > > > all

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > possible

> > > > > > > > > > > houses and lagna lord in their fifth house, and

> > check

> > > > > > whether

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > > > can cause the loss of child -

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 1) Aries lagna, lagna lord Mars in Leo: Yes,

Leo

> is

> > a

> > > > > sign

> > > > > > > > > > signifying

> > > > > > > > > > > less children, and Mars a malefic in it can

> > indicate

> > > > loss

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > sure.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 2) Taurus lagna, lagna lord Venus in Virgo:

> Virgo

> > is

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > debilitation

> > > > > > > > > > > sign for Venus. Also not that Venus owns the

> > lordship

> > > > of

> > > > > > 6th

> > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > well. Thus for sure for Taurus lagna Venus in

> 5th

> > can

> > > > > > > indicate

> > > > > > > > > loss

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > child for sure.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 3) Gemini lagna, lagna lord Me in Libra: Note

> that

> > > > Venus

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > Libra owns the 12th house (house indicating

> death)

> > as

> > > > > well.

> > > > > > > > > > Possibly the

> > > > > > > > > > > combination can indicate loss or death.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 4) Cancer lagna, Moon in Scorpio: Scorpio is

the

> > > > > > debilitation

> > > > > > > > > sign

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > Moon. Ofcourse the same can indicate the loss

of

> > > child.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 5) Leo lagna, Sun in Sagittarius: Note that the

> > lord

> > > of

> > > > > > > > > Sagittarius

> > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter owns the 8th house (death) as well.

Thus

> > > > > certainly

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > combination can indicate the loss or death of

> child.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 6) Virgo lagna, Me in Capricorn: The lord of

> > > Capricorn

> > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > owns

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > 6th house as well. Possibly the combination can

> > > > indicate

> > > > > > bad

> > > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > such as loss of child - amended by the fact

that

> > both

> > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > are imbecile planets.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 7) Libra lagna, Venus in Aquarius: Note that

> lagna

> > > lord

> > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > the 8th lord. Certainly 8th lord is a malefic,

> and

> > a

> > > > > > malefic

> > > > > > > > > placed

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > 5th can indicate lose of child.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If you continue this analysis, you could see

> that

> > for

> > > > > most

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > 12

> > > > > > > > > > > signs, lagna lord placed in 5th can indicate

the

> > loss

> > > > of

> > > > > > > child,

> > > > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > > > though the same does not match perfectly for

> > Aquarius

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > Pisces

> > > > > > > > > > Lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > Thus it becomes clear that Parasara was not

> making

> > a

> > > > > > > statement

> > > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > > base or without understanding. His derivation

> > sprung

> > > > from

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > deep

> > > > > > > > > > > understanding that `for all the 12 signs, lagna

> > lord

> > > in

> > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > favorably placed, and this can be crystallized

> into

> > > the

> > > > > > brief

> > > > > > > > > > statement

> > > > > > > > > > > - lagna lord in 5th can indicate bad results

> such

> > as -

> > >

> > > > > loss

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > > child and anger'. Then is it that Meenaraja was

> > wrong

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > Parasara

> > > > > > > > > > > was right? No, it is not so. Meenaraja was

> deriving

> > a

> > > > > > result

> > > > > > > > > based

> > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > the prime condition – Lagna lord in 5th alone.

> For

> > > this

> > > > > > prime

> > > > > > > > > > > combination Meenaraja's derivation is

absolutely

> > > right.

> > > > > But

> > > > > > > > > > > Parasara's amendment springs from his deep

> > > > understanding

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > zodiac. He knew that the general statement

> > regarding

> > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > > houses may not be completely true for lagna

lord

> in

> > > > 5th,

> > > > > > due

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > essential mutually co-related nature of the

> signs

> > > > itself.

> > > > > > So

> > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > opinion

> > > > > > > > > > > would be, `Yes, Meenaraja is right. But you

know

> > the

> > > > > Signs

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > Zodiac, they have some specific connection to

> death

> > > as

> > > > > far

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > is concerned. So your general derivation as

> > proposed

> > > by

> > > > > > > > Meenaraja

> > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > not work in this case. Consider this special

> nature

> > > of

> > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > signs and modify your derivation accordingly.

> The

> > you

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > that,

> > > > > > > > > > > lagna lord in 5th can signify many bad results

> such

> > > as

> > > > > loss

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > > child and anger'. It must be this deeper

> > > understanding

> > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > prompted Parasara to suggest such a result.

Yes,

> > > > > Meenaraja

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > right, but

> > > > > > > > > > > Parasara is also not off the mark. Meenaraja is

> > > > concerned

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > general logic of the derivation only, but

> Parasara

> > > goes

> > > > > > > deeper

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > general zodiacal context. Note it - possibly in

> > other

> > > > > > > > situations

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > > > the same could be the case - Parasara has a

> better

> > > > > > > > understanding

> > > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > the zodiacal context, and may mix it with

> general

> > > > result

> > > > > > > > > > derivation. His

> > > > > > > > > > > thought and understanding penetrates into

> deaths;

> > and

> > > > is

> > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > far

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > wide. He is not depended on mere logic alone -

> he

> > is

> > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > practical. It

> > > > > > > > > > > is because of this in-depth understanding;

> Parasara

> > > is

> > > > > > termed

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > sage,

> > > > > > > > > > > but Meenaraja a king, a scholar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > But even this understanding of Parasara view

> does

> > not

> > > > > does

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > allow me

> > > > > > > > > > > to pardon him - because here to derive the

> result

> > he

> > > > > mixed

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > methods

> > > > > > > > > > > of Sign-House Base result derivation, while

> dealing

> > > > with

> > > > > > > House

> > > > > > > > > Base

> > > > > > > > > > > result derivation - causing confusion to the

> > learner.

> > > I

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > suggest

> > > > > > > > > > > that, in this context, the beginners should

> stick

> > to

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > cleaner

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > systematic approach proposed by Meenaraja,

while

> > > trying

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > master

> > > > > > > > > > House

> > > > > > > > > > > Base result derivation technique. The deeper

> > > > > possibilities

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > modification to the suggested results should

> dealt

> > > with

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > understood,

> > > > > > > > > > > while trying to learn Sign-House Base result

> > > derivation

> > > > > > > > technique.

> > > > > > > > > > > The 5th house signifies things such as -

> children,

> > > > > > > intelligence,

> > > > > > > > > > > creativity, genius, stomach, belly, ministers,

> > secret

> > > > > hymns

> > > > > > > > > recited

> > > > > > > > > > etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > Thus the placement of lagna lord in 5th

> generates

> > > > special

> > > > > > > > > > importance to

> > > > > > > > > > > the derivations related to the same.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Extract from:

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> > > > > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Dear Sreenadh ji and other learned members who have contributed

 

''If lagna lord is in 5th, the native would be angry; will have

moderate well-being from children. The native will lose his first

child. He would be a proud individual with much self-respect and

reputation. He would be dear to the king.'' - Parasara

 

As sage Parasara has said so ,there should be some reason.My views-

 

5th lord is the main party responsible for protecting 5th house and

not Lagna Lord.Lagna lord in 5th is pointing to the individual going

to the house of children/followers/Creativity/Position.Here the

individual is extracting something from that house as compared to

5th lord going to Lagna.

 

In the case of Mata Amritananda Mayi 5th lord Saturn is exalted in

lagna.Followers/Children are taking consort in Lagna/AMMA.They are

exalted or very happy there.

 

Thus coming to the point - in this case the individual is not taking

care of child(is absent minded) but is interested in his gains - His

Pratibha/His positions etc.This can result in the loss of fisrt

child and there onwards the individual may be bit careful.Even then

his concentration is not towards nourishing the 5th house but

extracting from it(moderate happiness).

 

Parasara has also said the same regarding LL in the 7th.Here i feel

the individual is extracting from 7th and looking at 1st.

 

Similarly i feel if LL is in 3rd - The individual might get lot of

help from siblings and he might not very much aware of their

difficulties(irresponsible in their matters).

 

Regarding anger - I feel it is the house of Pratibha/creativity and

Lagna will be in a state of concentration and involvement leading to

sudden anger when disturbed.Moreover being lorded by followers

and ''new things'' - creativity/children etc - Lagna might not be

very happy with the perfection of surroundings(immaturity).

 

Regarding dear to king -I feel it is so as 5th is the ''Bhava''

manifesting as Ministerial environment.

 

I feel many with LL in 5th may not worry, as only if multiple

malefic factors are present the worst results can happen.

 

Looking forward for expert views.

 

Regds

Pradeep

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

>

> Dear All,

>

> The results for Lagna lord in 5th house is discussed below.

>

> ==============================================

> Lagna lord in 5th House

> -----------------------------

>

> If lagna lord is in 5th, the native would be proud an individual

with

> much self-respect and reputation and a bit angry but righteous and

kind.

> He will have children. He may have moderate well-being from

children and

> may lose his first child as well, especially if there is some

malefic

> influence on 5th house. He would be dear to the people with power

and

> authority. He will have good authority or rulership and will enjoy

a

> good eventful and enjoyable life. Bestowed with good qualities, he

will

> do many good deeds.

>

> If lagna lord is in 5th, the native would be angry; will have

moderate

> well-being from children. The native will lose his first child. He

would

> be a proud individual with much self-respect and reputation. He

would be

> dear to the king.

>

> - Parasara Hora

>

> Why should lagna lord going to 5th make the native an angry and

> aggressive individual? One of the logic behind could be - 5th is

3rd

> from 3rd house; and Upachaya (increase) stana of 3rd house. 3rd

house

> signify anger and possibly that is why lagna lord in 5th increases

the

> anger and agitation of the native. But also not that 5th is 2nd

house

> from 4th (simple and humble mind) making the native a straight

forward

> individual. It is also mentioned in the sloka that the native will

lose

> his first child - why? The natural expectation would be that lagna

lord

> in 5th should bestow good results for 5th, thus providing children

and

> happiness from children to the native. Of course if lagna lord is

in 5th

> is afflicted by some malefic, then it would have double impact,

since

> the same would affect both the 5th house and the lagna lord

amplifying

> the possibility for bad result. Since 5th could signify the first

child

> the bad result could be attributed to the first child as well.

Actually

> this is what we see mentioned in Meenaraja hora. But Parasara

provides

> no such clue about any required malefic influence in 5th house! We

are

> wonder stuck by this derivation, and we fail to imagine any solid

reason

> behind such a derivation in the absence of any malefic influence

on 5th

> house. Another version of the same sloka is available, which also

> provides similar results.

>

> If lagna lord is in 5th, the native would be proud; will have

moderate

> well-being from children. He will lose his first child. He would be

> angry and will have special privileges in the king's place.

>

> - Parasara Hora

>

> Apart from minor differences this sloka gives almost same results

as

> above. It seems that, the loss of first child should be predicted

only

> if there is a malefic influence in 5th house, since the other

available

> slokas give good results concerning children if lagna lord is in

5th

> house. [Note that similar to in this sloka Parasara will not

mention

> `if the lagna lord is malefic and placed in x house' in many

> other slokas as well. We will encounter this writing style related

issue

> in many other instances as well] Let us see what Meenaraja has to

say.

>

> If lagna lord is in 5th house, the native will have children,

righteous

> and kind. He will have good authority or rulership and will enjoy

a good

> eventful and enjoyable life. Bestowed with good qualities, he will

do

> many good deeds.

>

> - Meenaraja Hora

>

> In one printed version of Meenaraja Hora the word Suseela is

quoted as

> Sugeeta (Good in singing). Select the proper word based on actual

> experience observed.

>

> Note that as per Meenaraja lagna lord in 5th `provides children'

> and does not `destroy children'. Even though Parasara only says

> that `lose of first child could happen', he too does not say

> that `the native will not have children'. If we combine the

> statements of both Parasara and Meenaraja the only conclusion we

could

> reach is `The native will have children, but he may loss his first

> child as well'. But it should be noted that the loss of first child

> does not seems to be logically supported in the absence of malefic

> influence on 5th house - this was my initial inference. (An

amendment is

> proposed later) The sloka provided by Hora Pradeepam is almost the

same

> as that of Meenaraja.

>

> If lagna lord is in 5th house, the native will have children,

righteous

> and kind. He will have good authority or rulership and will enjoy

a good

> eventful and happy life. Bestowed with good qualities, he will do

many

> good deeds.

>

> - Hora Pradeepam

>

> Parasara says that Lagna lord in 5th would make the native angry -

why?

> Clearly any direct logic is not visible. Sun is the natural

significator

> of Lagna. If we are considering lagna lord in 5th as similar to

sun in

> 5th, then the above derivation would be justified and possibly the

lose

> of first child as well. But is it a correct approach? I am

doubtful.

> Only verifying the actual results from charts with similar

combination

> can shed some light on this issue.

>

> Rule 5: Lagna lord in any house should be treated similar to Sun

in that

> house, since Sun is the natural significator of Lagna.

>

> I am a bit doubtful about the validity of the above rule. If not

> supported by actual results it is better to ignore the above rule.

The

> logic supplied till now does not seem to be capable enough to

> satisfactorily explain the strong results proposed by Parasara

such as -

> Lagna lord in 5th causing the loss of first child; it will also

make the

> native an angry individual. There should be some other logic as

well.

>

> On retrospect we feel that - Parasara will not say something

without a

> sold reason. Why should he bring planets base result (e.g.

> benefic/malefic) into it, when he was dealing with House base

> prediction? That is not logical. There could be some other in-depth

> reason. Yes, you are right - there is. Let us analyze all the

possible

> houses and lagna lord in their fifth house, and check whether the

same

> can cause the loss of child -

>

> 1) Aries lagna, lagna lord Mars in Leo: Yes, Leo is a sign

signifying

> less children, and Mars a malefic in it can indicate loss of child

for

> sure.

>

> 2) Taurus lagna, lagna lord Venus in Virgo: Virgo is the

debilitation

> sign for Venus. Also not that Venus owns the lordship of 6th house

as

> well. Thus for sure for Taurus lagna Venus in 5th can indicate

loss of

> child for sure.

>

> 3) Gemini lagna, lagna lord Me in Libra: Note that Venus the lord

of

> Libra owns the 12th house (house indicating death) as well.

Possibly the

> combination can indicate loss or death.

>

> 4) Cancer lagna, Moon in Scorpio: Scorpio is the debilitation sign

for

> Moon. Ofcourse the same can indicate the loss of child.

>

> 5) Leo lagna, Sun in Sagittarius: Note that the lord of Sagittarius

> Jupiter owns the 8th house (death) as well. Thus certainly the

> combination can indicate the loss or death of child.

>

> 6) Virgo lagna, Me in Capricorn: The lord of Capricorn Saturn owns

the

> 6th house as well. Possibly the combination can indicate bad

results

> such as loss of child - amended by the fact that both Mercury and

Saturn

> are imbecile planets.

>

> 7) Libra lagna, Venus in Aquarius: Note that lagna lord Venus is

also

> the 8th lord. Certainly 8th lord is a malefic, and a malefic

placed in

> 5th can indicate lose of child.

>

> If you continue this analysis, you could see that for most of the

12

> signs, lagna lord placed in 5th can indicate the loss of child,

even

> though the same does not match perfectly for Aquarius and Pisces

Lagna.

> Thus it becomes clear that Parasara was not making a statement

without

> base or without understanding. His derivation sprung from the deep

> understanding that `for all the 12 signs, lagna lord in 5th is not

> favorably placed, and this can be crystallized into the brief

statement

> - lagna lord in 5th can indicate bad results such as - loss of

first

> child and anger'. Then is it that Meenaraja was wrong and Parasara

> was right? No, it is not so. Meenaraja was deriving a result based

on

> the prime condition ? Lagna lord in 5th alone. For this prime

> combination Meenaraja's derivation is absolutely right. But

> Parasara's amendment springs from his deep understanding of the

> zodiac. He knew that the general statement regarding lagna lord in

other

> houses may not be completely true for lagna lord in 5th, due to

> essential mutually co-related nature of the signs itself. So his

opinion

> would be, `Yes, Meenaraja is right. But you know the Signs in

> Zodiac, they have some specific connection to death as far as 5th

house

> is concerned. So your general derivation as proposed by Meenaraja

will

> not work in this case. Consider this special nature of 5th from

all the

> signs and modify your derivation accordingly. The you will see

that,

> lagna lord in 5th can signify many bad results such as loss of

first

> child and anger'. It must be this deeper understanding which

> prompted Parasara to suggest such a result. Yes, Meenaraja is

right, but

> Parasara is also not off the mark. Meenaraja is concerned with the

> general logic of the derivation only, but Parasara goes deeper in

the

> general zodiacal context. Note it - possibly in other situations

as well

> the same could be the case - Parasara has a better understanding

about

> the zodiacal context, and may mix it with general result

derivation. His

> thought and understanding penetrates into deaths; and is more far

and

> wide. He is not depended on mere logic alone - he is more

practical. It

> is because of this in-depth understanding; Parasara is termed a

sage,

> but Meenaraja a king, a scholar.

>

> But even this understanding of Parasara view does not does not

allow me

> to pardon him - because here to derive the result he mixed the

methods

> of Sign-House Base result derivation, while dealing with House Base

> result derivation - causing confusion to the learner. I would

suggest

> that, in this context, the beginners should stick to the cleaner

and

> systematic approach proposed by Meenaraja, while trying to master

House

> Base result derivation technique. The deeper possibilities and

> modification to the suggested results should dealt with and

understood,

> while trying to learn Sign-House Base result derivation technique.

> The 5th house signifies things such as - children, intelligence,

> creativity, genius, stomach, belly, ministers, secret hymns

recited etc.

> Thus the placement of lagna lord in 5th generates special

importance to

> the derivations related to the same.

>

> Extract from:

>

Sreenadh

/La\

> gna%20lord%20in%20Various%20Houses.pdf

> ==============================================

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Lalit ji,

The sage does not use the word 'Child' - instead the word used is

'Pradhamapatya Nasa', which means 'Loss of first son/daughter'. Read

the original text in context before presenting such ignorant arguments.

==>

> One thing is there to explore and that is, why she had boy children

> despite moon's placement in 5'th, what are other parameters, is the

> horoscope in consideration is correct ?

<==

That you can think as much as you want - but here we are interested

in 'House Base' result derivation only - which is the subject under

consideration.

==>

> It's too early to conclude lagna lord in 5'th means death of the

> child.

<==

First - trust the sage. Second, verify with horoscope to know whether

the result matches. They have done enough experiment and that is why

such a result is quoted. What our verification usually does - is to

confirm it just for our own satisfaction. Know this as a fact in the

case of authentic quotes (but not in the case of interpolated ones).

For me, any quote that confirms with, and reflects the clear

knowledge and understanding of the fundamental 7-fold system can be

considered as authentic. That is the acid test I use to differentiate

authentic and interpolated quotes. Your method may differ.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, " litsol " <mlalit

wrote:

>

> what is the age for a man to be considered as child ?

> A man dying year's after her mother's death and after his own

> fatherhood and we are trying to say his death is a death of the child.

>

> One thing is there to explore and that is, why she had boy children

> despite moon's placement oin 5'th, what are other parameters, is the

> horoscope in consideration is correct ? is there no role of father's

> horoscope in determining sex of the child?

>

> It's too early to conclude lagna lord in 5'th means death of the

> child.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

>

>

> , " renunw "

> <renunw@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> >

> > ...and both had untimely & tragic deaths. This is a fine example

> for

> > your detailed explanation of how LL in 5H could affect

> > children/child birth.

> >

> > blessings

> >

> > Renu

> >

> > , " Sreenadh "

> > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Jagadish ji,

> > > Indira Gandhi had Moon in 5th house - and had 2 boys but no

> > > girls. She had Cancer Lagna and LL in 5th house Scorpio.

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > , Prathamesn

> Chawan

> > > <upaoakcrest@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Moon in 5th house and you have boys ... no girls ?

> > > >

> > > > Hmm... interesting...

> > > >

> > > > Best Wishes

> > > >

> > > > Jagdish

> > > >

> > > > zhar bird <blagomot@> wrote:

> > > > My lagna lord is Moon in the 5th house.

> > > > I had 2 abortions prior to birth of my only son, who also would

> > > have died if surgery was not performed on him when he was only 6

> > > weeks old.

> > > > I certainly hope, my boys will have a long life, as I love him

> > so.

> > > > I was never called an angree or self-centered person, and I

> > cannot

> > > possibly see it in me either. But, of course, this is not my call

> > to

> > > make.

> > > > I am fairly ambitious, but i am much more into being a good

> > mother

> > > to my child and into enjoying my life to the fullest.

> > > > Please, don't forget that 5th is the house of children

> > (including

> > > your inner child), creativity and fun!

> > > >

> > > > javed khaanzada <javed_khaanzada@> wrote:

> > > > Dear Lalit and Srinadh ji,

> > > >

> > > > As in Parasar Hora stated:

> > > >

> > > > If lagna lord is in 5th, the native would be angry; will have

> > > moderate well-being from children. The native will lose his first

> > > child. He would be a proud individual with much self-respect and

> > > reputation. He would be dear to the king.

> > > >

> > > > Mine lagna lord is Mars,which is placed in 5th house in my

> > lagna

> > > chart.When my wife was in 3rd month of pregnancy,she had a miss

> > > carriage in 1993,it was our first baby,after that we have four

> > > children,quite healthy.

> > > >

> > > > Regds-javed

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > litsol <mlalit@> wrote:

> > > > Dear Srinadh,

> > > >

> > > > Leave it, I m not part of ur show, where u r the only script

> > > writer,

> > > > director, actor, viewer and even the stage is your's.

> > > >

> > > > I had an impression that this is a open group where a

> collective

> > > > learning may emerge to make astrology more advanced more

> > effective

> > > > but, I feel i was wrong in my understanding, you w'd never

> > accept

> > > ur

> > > > shortcomings and w'd never take inputs from members. so i drop

> > it.

> > > >

> > > > u make ur rules for ur convenience sake, act on ur rules as per

> > ur

> > > > convenience and you teach rules to others as per ur conveniince

> > and

> > > > define liberty from rules as per ur convenience.

> > > >

> > > > when i saw ur post, instinctively, without thinking much about

> > > > subsequent consequences, happen to respond to you, which will

> > never

> > > > be there, i m a I m a easy going man, open minded person.

> > > >

> > > > I have no objection, carry on ur show, i m silent.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lalit ji,

> > > > > The questions in articles are -

> > > > > * Guidance to think.

> > > > > * They are part of the process of thinking

> > > > > * They are not demanding, requesting and asking someone to

> > come

> > > > and

> > > > > give a ready made answer, such as " Perhaps u have not checked

> > > > malefic

> > > > > influence on 5'th house with horoscopes... and I will teach

> > you

> > > the

> > > > > remedy, the correct results and the method to be followed " ;

> > know

> > > > that

> > > > > it is to motivate thinking; it is to motivate more fuel to

> the

> > > fire

> > > > > with in; to guide others and me to learn to think itself -

> > > > > systematically; in the way astrology demands! Note that 7-

> fold

> > > > method

> > > > > is a " Thought Tool " , a methodology for thinking. With a

> > peaceful

> > > > mind

> > > > > think about it - and you will see what I mean.

> > > > > What the questions you present in your own writeups/articles -

>

> > > > you

> > > > > will what I mean.

> > > > > ==>

> > > > > > if ur post is only house specific why u raise such

> questions

> > > and

> > > > > > then try to find answers,

> > > > > <==

> > > > > I hope the above section clarifies this. The post was 'house

> > > > > specific' that too is right.

> > > > > ==>

> > > > > > u urself asked the question in ur post - " Why should lagna

> > > > > > lord going to 5th make the native an angry and aggressive

> > > > > > individual " and tried to understand the reason

> > > > > <==

> > > > > Yes, I did raise that question and tried to answer it -

> > because

> > > > that

> > > > > was a result derived by Parasara and I was thinking about the

> > > logic

> > > > > behind it; Certainly that is related to 'House Base'

> > derivation,

> > > > and

> > > > > not related to anything else.

> > > > > Did you tried to think and find an answer to that question?

> > Did

> > > > you

> > > > > checked the same in some example horoscopes and found that it

> > > > doesn't

> > > > > work?

> > > > > Now let us come to your comment on the same -

> > > > > Comment -1

> > > > > ==>

> > > > > > If u r doing a commentary on the ancient classics, ur

> > approach

> > > is

> > > > > > right and there is lot to learn from such writings, but as

> > > > > > far as learning is concerned, more urge to study and

> dissect

> > > the

> > > > > > obsecure cases is required.

> > > > > <==

> > > > > What do you mean by 'obscure cases'? Do you mean example

> > > > horoscopes?

> > > > > The do it yourself - and present the results! That is the way

> > to

> > > > go -

> > > > > an a research approach, and we too would be benefited by

> that;

> > go

> > > > > ahead and do it! Note that the above statement by you lacks

> > even

> > > > the

> > > > > basic understanding that " the article was dealing with House

> > Base

> > > > > result derivation, and that too about LL in 5th " !

> > > > > Comment -2

> > > > > ==>

> > > > > > same way, 5'th has connection to 11'th house, the house of

> > > gains,

> > > > > > this combination of lagna lord's placement in 5'th house

> > > > > > makes a person too much ambitious, self cenetered, he is

> > self

> > > > > > promting so should be aggressive coz his rise is his main

> > > > objective

> > > > > > of the life. This is what i observed.

> > > > > <==

> > > > > Yah, that is good logic - and a good suggestion. But note the

> > > last

> > > > > statement " This is what i observed " ! We all know that you

> > started

> > > > > learning astrology before 5 months only. Of course you are

> > a

> > > > smart

> > > > > learner, and has good logic, (I appreciate that, and happy

> > about

> > > > it).

> > > > > Considering the above facts, possibly if it was something

> > like -

> > > > " This

> > > > > is a better logical derivation I feel " , it would have been

> > more

> > > > > pleasant. Even if you have " observed " such combinations -

> > your

> > > > > time span of 5 months is not even enough to complete the

> > training

> > > > > period and clear the testing phase! :=)

> > > > > Lalit ji, don't take all these comments personally - I love

> > you

> > > > very

> > > > > much, and know well that it is rare to find such a good

> > > potential.

> > > > > But don't do the mistake becoming a teacher; don't do the

> > mistake

> > > > of

> > > > > becoming a teacher - your experience and knowledge is not

> > enough

> > > > for

> > > > > that; I have at least 8 years experience as a professional

> > > > > astrologer, but still I am a learner and yet to become a

> > teacher;

> > > I

> > > > > don't think in near future it would be possible as well; thus

> > the

> > > > > fact is there are no teachers in this group; and never can

> be.

> > > > > We are all fellow students here - even though the amount of

> > > > > knowledge may vary a bit from individual to individual; that

> > is

> > > not

> > > > > much important. But learning to be a learner, and being a

> > > > learner,

> > > > > and accepting that i am a learner and that my knowledge is

> > > limited -

> > > >

> > > > > IS important. We simply don't have answers to everything -

> and

> > > > never

> > > > > can be.

> > > > > Be with me brother and give a bit credit for being elder...

> > > > > Love and Hugs,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Lalit ji,

> > > > > > Are you noticing that we are deviating from the subject?

> > > Present

> > > > > > your views on Lagna lord in 5th in a well written way (In

> > > > similar

> > > > > > discussions - Baquya ji does it - he is good; Srinivas ji

> > does

> > > > it;

> > > > > > Sunil Does it; RK ji does it; similarly many more members)

> > and

> > > I

> > > > > will

> > > > > > love to see the same - whether it be from experience or

> from

> > > > Logic.

> > > > > > Second, I am NOT teaching anybody - but learning and

> > presenting

> > > > > > systematically - of course my experience as an astrologer,

> > and

> > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > books would be useful in that effort. But never expect or

> > feel

> > > > that

> > > > > I

> > > > > > am teaching - I am NOT. Everybody learns by themselves.

> > > Everybody

> > > > > > should try to present there sincere " understanding " " about

> > the

> > > > > > subject under discussion " with clarity. There is NO Teacher-

> > > > > Learner,

> > > > > > Master-Disciple here; But only learners - all members

> > present

> > > in

> > > > > this

> > > > > > group are humble learners of the astrological wisdom

> > presented

> > > by

> > > > > > sages. I am a learner a student of them, and NOT a teacher

> > to

> > > > > anyone.

> > > > > > Please understand this.

> > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " litsol "

> > > > > > <mlalit@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Srinadh,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Do u mean, If u r not clear somewhere or u r missing

> > > something

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > someone points out to the mising point, he himself lacks

> > the

> > > > > > > understanding, very good approach, sorry to interrupt

> this

> > > > time,

> > > > > > now

> > > > > > > onwards will never try to correct you.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > However,u urself asked the question in ur post - " Why

> > should

> > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > lord going to 5th make the native an angry and aggressive

> > > > > > > individual " and tried to understand the reason, if ur

> post

> > is

> > > > > only

> > > > > > > house specific why u raise such questions and then try to

> > > find

> > > > > > > answers, simply i thuoght to correct ur effort with my

> > > > > > understanding

> > > > > > > but ur attitude is very different,So much inclination in

> > > > teaching

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > affecting ur's learning only.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

> > , " Sreenadh "

> > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Lalit ji,

> > > > > > > > Malefic effect in 5th causing many troubles is a known

> > fact

> > > > to

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > astrologers - no explanation is needed on the same.

> > Knowing

> > > > > what

> > > > > > > > those troubles are, needs considering a lot of other

> > > > > parameters.

> > > > > > > > Deriving the details - which uses several methodologies

> > > such

> > > > as

> > > > > > > > Bhavat Bhava Chinta, Karkat Bhava chinta, considering

> > other

> > > > > > > > combinations - know that there is a big distance to go

> > and

> > > it

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > that simple.

> > > > > > > > What we are doing here is not trying to reach some

> > > > inflexible

> > > > > > > > conclusion; or to analyze someone's horoscope; but to

> > see

> > > to

> > > > > what

> > > > > > > > extend the slokas on 'House Base' derivation technique

> > can

> > > > > point

> > > > > > > to.

> > > > > > > > Try to understand things in the context they are.

> > > > > > > > When you are trying your own bit of logic in something -

>

> > > > > present

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > that way; Instead of saying this is right or that is

> > wrong,

> > > > or

> > > > > > > > somewhere else is the crux. Present - as per your logic

> > you

> > > > > think

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > could be so and so. (Don't bring in I have seen such

> and

> > > such

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > horoscope and so let us discuss that horoscope strategy

> > as

> > > > > well -

> > > > > > > > that is not the way. If the same combination is present

> > in

> > > > some

> > > > > > > known

> > > > > > > > horoscope - the combination alone can be considered for

> > > > > > > verification,

> > > > > > > > and other feature or details of that horoscope should

> be

> > > > > > neglected.

> > > > > > > > We should stick to the context and the method of

> study).

> > > Loss

> > > > > can

> > > > > > > > mean many things -

> > > > > > > > * It could be abortion

> > > > > > > > * It could untimely death of son at a later age (as in

> > the

> > > > > case

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > Indira Gandhi)

> > > > > > > > * It could be a missing son Or there could be many

> other

> > > > > > > > possibilities as well.

> > > > > > > > Neither the sloka nor we are going in to that details -

> > > > > instead

> > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > we are doing is 'Trying to learn the logical background

> > and

> > > > > > > concepts

> > > > > > > > used in House Base derivation by the sages; and thus

> > trying

> > > > to

> > > > > > > master

> > > > > > > > that technique' - know this well.

> > > > > > > > ==>

> > > > > > > > > there are chances for the entire hard work to be

> > confined

> > > > to

> > > > > > mere

> > > > > > > > > translation of some shlokas, which i think, is

> > certainly

> > > > not

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > objective.

> > > > > > > > <==

> > > > > > > > Clearly the above words come from lack of understanding

> > of

> > > > > > > objective

> > > > > > > > and strategy, of this group. Please check -

> > > > > > > > * The previous mails on the same thread

> > > > > > > > * The files in the files folder dealing with similar

> > things

> > > > > > (i.e.

> > > > > > > > Articles related to 7-fold result derivation technique

> > of

> > > > > > astrology)

> > > > > > > > * Thus instead of starting afresh were you land

> yourself

> > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > forum, create a background to deal with the subject in

> > > hand,

> > > > > > > > systematically.

> > > > > > > > Note: The document regarding " Lagna lord in various

> > houses

> > > > was

> > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > in file section for many days, and mails about file

> > > uploading

> > > > > > goes

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > every member, the main thread of discussion is on the

> > same;

> > > > but

> > > > > > > alas!

> > > > > > > > the never read or refer to such files and instead

> depend

> > on

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > posted mails alone! No serious learner who approach

> > > astrology

> > > > > > > > shouldn't follow such a method. He should download and

> > > study

> > > > > them

> > > > > > > > before putting in his bit - and that SHOULD BE a well

> > > thought

> > > > > out

> > > > > > > > one - depicting his sincerity and earnest effort to

> > > > understand

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > learn the path shown by the sages " . Whether such a view

> > > > matches

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > mine or not is irrelevant. But the contribution should

> > be

> > > > > > valuable -

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > coming out from research, experience and effort.

> > > > > > > > Hope the confusion is clarified.

> > > > > > > > Love and Hugs,

> > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> > , " litsol "

> > > > > > > > <mlalit@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Srinadh,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Pls. tell where i m wrong in finding such

> shortcomings

> > in

> > > > > what

> > > > > > u

> > > > > > > > > tried to derive and explain after the translation, in

> > > fact,

> > > > i

> > > > > > > saw,

> > > > > > > > u

> > > > > > > > > urself tried to understand what is missing, struggled

> > a

> > > > lot,

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > stopped before touching the crux, a gap remained is

> to

> > > > cover

> > > > > > up.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I suggested something for the betterment only.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > loss doesn't mean death, it may be girl child, it may

> > be

> > > > > > hopeless

> > > > > > > > > child, it may be a child with poor health, we need to

> > be

> > > > more

> > > > > > > > specific

> > > > > > > > > while deriving the results and explaining them to

> > group.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > be admissive and keep a holistic approach so that a

> > right

> > > > > > > learning

> > > > > > > > > approach could be developed having inputs from every

> > one,

> > > > > > > > otherwise,

> > > > > > > > > there are chances for the entire hardwork to be

> > confined

> > > to

> > > > > > mere

> > > > > > > > > translation of some shlokas, which i think, is

> > certainly

> > > > not

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > objective.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > if u mind and dont consider what u r told, i have no

> > > > business

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > interrupt you, u can move on ur ways.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit ji,

> > > > > > > > > > Did you ever been an astrologer? I think not. Just

> > > > simply

> > > > > > > learn!

> > > > > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > , " litsol "

> > > > > > > > > > <mlalit@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Srinadh,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Perhapse u have not checked malific influence on

> > 5'th

> > > > > house

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > horoscopes,However, i appreciate ur efforts to

> > > > understand

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > consequences of 5'th house as well as lagna

> lord's

> > > > > > placement

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > A malific influence in 5'th does not always lead

> > to

> > > > loss

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > > child, this placement sometimes give girl child,

> > > death

> > > > of

> > > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > extreme result which happens in cases of extreme

> > > > > > malificance.

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > remember once u said during discussion of BB that

> > > 4'th

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > > > denote loss of child, if 4'th there are other

> > house

> > > as

> > > > > well

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > reference to 5'th house.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If u r doing a commentary on the ancient

> classics,

> > ur

> > > > > > > approach

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > right and there is lot to learn from such

> > writings,

> > > but

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > far

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > learning is concerned, more urge to study and

> > dissect

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > obsecure

> > > > > > > > > > > cases is required.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > same way, 5'th has connection to 11'th house, the

> > > house

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > gains,

> > > > > > > > > > > this combination of lagna lord's placement in

> 5'th

> > > > house

> > > > > > > makes

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > person too much ambitious, self cenetered, he is

> > self

> > > > > > > promting

> > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > should be aggressive coz his rise is his main

> > > objective

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > life.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > This is what i observed.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > > > > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The results for Lagna lord in 5th house is

> > > > discussed

> > > > > > > below.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ==============================================

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna lord in 5th House

> > > > > > > > > > > > -----------------------------

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th, the native would be

> > proud

> > > an

> > > > > > > > > individual

> > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > much self-respect and reputation and a bit

> angry

> > > but

> > > > > > > > righteous

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > kind.

> > > > > > > > > > > > He will have children. He may have moderate

> well-

> > > > being

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > children and

> > > > > > > > > > > > may lose his first child as well, especially if

> > > there

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > malefic

> > > > > > > > > > > > influence on 5th house. He would be dear to the

> > > > people

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > power

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > authority. He will have good authority or

> > rulership

> > > > and

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > enjoy a

> > > > > > > > > > > > good eventful and enjoyable life. Bestowed with

> > > good

> > > > > > > > qualities,

> > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > do many good deeds.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th, the native would be

> > angry;

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > moderate

> > > > > > > > > > > > well-being from children. The native will lose

> > his

> > > > > first

> > > > > > > > child.

> > > > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > be a proud individual with much self-respect

> and

> > > > > > > reputation.

> > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > > would be

> > > > > > > > > > > > dear to the king.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > - Parasara Hora

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Why should lagna lord going to 5th make the

> > native

> > > an

> > > > > > angry

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > aggressive individual? One of the logic behind

> > > could

> > > > > be -

> > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > > > from 3rd house; and Upachaya (increase) stana

> of

> > > 3rd

> > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > signify anger and possibly that is why lagna

> > lord

> > > in

> > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > > increases

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > anger and agitation of the native. But also not

> > > that

> > > > > 5th

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > from 4th (simple and humble mind) making the

> > native

> > > a

> > > > > > > > straight

> > > > > > > > > > > forward

> > > > > > > > > > > > individual. It is also mentioned in the sloka

> > that

> > > > the

> > > > > > > native

> > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > lose

> > > > > > > > > > > > his first child - why? The natural expectation

> > > would

> > > > be

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > in 5th should bestow good results for 5th, thus

> > > > > providing

> > > > > > > > > > children

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > happiness from children to the native. Of

> course

> > if

> > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > in 5th

> > > > > > > > > > > > is afflicted by some malefic, then it would

> have

> > > > double

> > > > > > > > impact,

> > > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > the same would affect both the 5th house and

> the

> > > > lagna

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > amplifying

> > > > > > > > > > > > the possibility for bad result. Since 5th could

> > > > signify

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > > > > > the bad result could be attributed to the first

> > > child

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > > well.

> > > > > > > > > > > Actually

> > > > > > > > > > > > this is what we see mentioned in Meenaraja

> hora.

> > > But

> > > > > > > Parasara

> > > > > > > > > > > provides

> > > > > > > > > > > > no such clue about any required malefic

> > influence

> > > in

> > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > house!

> > > > > > > > > > We

> > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > wonder stuck by this derivation, and we fail to

> > > > imagine

> > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > solid

> > > > > > > > > > > reason

> > > > > > > > > > > > behind such a derivation in the absence of any

> > > > malefic

> > > > > > > > > influence

> > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > > > > house. Another version of the same sloka is

> > > > available,

> > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > provides similar results.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th, the native would be

> > proud;

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > moderate

> > > > > > > > > > > > well-being from children. He will lose his

> first

> > > > child.

> > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > angry and will have special privileges in the

> > > king's

> > > > > > place.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > - Parasara Hora

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Apart from minor differences this sloka gives

> > > almost

> > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > above. It seems that, the loss of first child

> > > should

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > > predicted

> > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > if there is a malefic influence in 5th house,

> > since

> > > > the

> > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > > available

> > > > > > > > > > > > slokas give good results concerning children if

> > > lagna

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > > > > house. [Note that similar to in this sloka

> > Parasara

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > mention

> > > > > > > > > > > > `if the lagna lord is malefic and placed in x

> > > house'

> > > > in

> > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > > > other slokas as well. We will encounter this

> > > writing

> > > > > > style

> > > > > > > > > > related

> > > > > > > > > > > issue

> > > > > > > > > > > > in many other instances as well] Let us see

> what

> > > > > > Meenaraja

> > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > say.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th house, the native will

> > have

> > > > > > > children,

> > > > > > > > > > > righteous

> > > > > > > > > > > > and kind. He will have good authority or

> > rulership

> > > > and

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > enjoy

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > > eventful and enjoyable life. Bestowed with good

> > > > > > qualities,

> > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > > > many good deeds.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > - Meenaraja Hora

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In one printed version of Meenaraja Hora the

> > word

> > > > > Suseela

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > quoted

> > > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sugeeta (Good in singing). Select the proper

> > word

> > > > based

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > actual

> > > > > > > > > > > > experience observed.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Note that as per Meenaraja lagna lord in 5th

> > > > `provides

> > > > > > > > children'

> > > > > > > > > > > > and does not `destroy children'. Even though

> > > Parasara

> > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > says

> > > > > > > > > > > > that `lose of first child could happen', he too

> > > does

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > > > > > that `the native will not have children'. If we

> > > > combine

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > statements of both Parasara and Meenaraja the

> > only

> > > > > > > conclusion

> > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > could

> > > > > > > > > > > > reach is `The native will have children, but he

> > may

> > > > > loss

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > > > child as well'. But it should be noted that the

> > > loss

> > > > of

> > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > > > > > does not seems to be logically supported in the

> > > > absence

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > malefic

> > > > > > > > > > > > influence on 5th house - this was my initial

> > > > inference.

> > > > > > (An

> > > > > > > > > > > amendment is

> > > > > > > > > > > > proposed later) The sloka provided by Hora

> > > Pradeepam

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > almost

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > > > > as that of Meenaraja.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th house, the native will

> > have

> > > > > > > children,

> > > > > > > > > > > righteous

> > > > > > > > > > > > and kind. He will have good authority or

> > rulership

> > > > and

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > enjoy

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > > eventful and happy life. Bestowed with good

> > > > qualities,

> > > > > he

> > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > > > good deeds.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > - Hora Pradeepam

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Parasara says that Lagna lord in 5th would make

> > the

> > > > > > native

> > > > > > > > > angry -

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > why?

> > > > > > > > > > > > Clearly any direct logic is not visible. Sun is

> > the

> > > > > > natural

> > > > > > > > > > > significator

> > > > > > > > > > > > of Lagna. If we are considering lagna lord in

> > 5th

> > > as

> > > > > > > similar

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > sun

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > 5th, then the above derivation would be

> > justified

> > > and

> > > > > > > > possibly

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > lose

> > > > > > > > > > > > of first child as well. But is it a correct

> > > approach?

> > > > I

> > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > doubtful.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Only verifying the actual results from charts

> > with

> > > > > > similar

> > > > > > > > > > > combination

> > > > > > > > > > > > can shed some light on this issue.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rule 5: Lagna lord in any house should be

> > treated

> > > > > similar

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > house, since Sun is the natural significator of

> > > Lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I am a bit doubtful about the validity of the

> > above

> > > > > rule.

> > > > > > > If

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > supported by actual results it is better to

> > ignore

> > > > the

> > > > > > > above

> > > > > > > > > > rule.

> > > > > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > > logic supplied till now does not seem to be

> > capable

> > > > > > enough

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > satisfactorily explain the strong results

> > proposed

> > > by

> > > > > > > > Parasara

> > > > > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > > > > as -

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna lord in 5th causing the loss of first

> > child;

> > > it

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > make the

> > > > > > > > > > > > native an angry individual. There should be

> some

> > > > other

> > > > > > > logic

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > well.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > On retrospect we feel that - Parasara will not

> > say

> > > > > > > something

> > > > > > > > > > > without a

> > > > > > > > > > > > sold reason. Why should he bring planets base

> > > result

> > > > > (e.g.

> > > > > > > > > > > > benefic/malefic) into it, when he was dealing

> > with

> > > > > House

> > > > > > > base

> > > > > > > > > > > > prediction? That is not logical. There could be

> > > some

> > > > > > other

> > > > > > > in-

> > > > > > > > > > depth

> > > > > > > > > > > > reason. Yes, you are right - there is. Let us

> > > analyze

> > > > > all

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > possible

> > > > > > > > > > > > houses and lagna lord in their fifth house, and

> > > check

> > > > > > > whether

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > > > > can cause the loss of child -

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Aries lagna, lagna lord Mars in Leo: Yes,

> Leo

> > is

> > > a

> > > > > > sign

> > > > > > > > > > > signifying

> > > > > > > > > > > > less children, and Mars a malefic in it can

> > > indicate

> > > > > loss

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > sure.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Taurus lagna, lagna lord Venus in Virgo:

> > Virgo

> > > is

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > debilitation

> > > > > > > > > > > > sign for Venus. Also not that Venus owns the

> > > lordship

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > 6th

> > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > well. Thus for sure for Taurus lagna Venus in

> > 5th

> > > can

> > > > > > > > indicate

> > > > > > > > > > loss

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > child for sure.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Gemini lagna, lagna lord Me in Libra: Note

> > that

> > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > Libra owns the 12th house (house indicating

> > death)

> > > as

> > > > > > well.

> > > > > > > > > > > Possibly the

> > > > > > > > > > > > combination can indicate loss or death.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 4) Cancer lagna, Moon in Scorpio: Scorpio is

> the

> > > > > > > debilitation

> > > > > > > > > > sign

> > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > Moon. Ofcourse the same can indicate the loss

> of

> > > > child.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 5) Leo lagna, Sun in Sagittarius: Note that the

> > > lord

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > Sagittarius

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter owns the 8th house (death) as well.

> Thus

> > > > > > certainly

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > combination can indicate the loss or death of

> > child.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 6) Virgo lagna, Me in Capricorn: The lord of

> > > > Capricorn

> > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > owns

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > 6th house as well. Possibly the combination can

> > > > > indicate

> > > > > > > bad

> > > > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > > such as loss of child - amended by the fact

> that

> > > both

> > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > > are imbecile planets.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 7) Libra lagna, Venus in Aquarius: Note that

> > lagna

> > > > lord

> > > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > the 8th lord. Certainly 8th lord is a malefic,

> > and

> > > a

> > > > > > > malefic

> > > > > > > > > > placed

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > 5th can indicate lose of child.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If you continue this analysis, you could see

> > that

> > > for

> > > > > > most

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > 12

> > > > > > > > > > > > signs, lagna lord placed in 5th can indicate

> the

> > > loss

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > child,

> > > > > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > > > > though the same does not match perfectly for

> > > Aquarius

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > Pisces

> > > > > > > > > > > Lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thus it becomes clear that Parasara was not

> > making

> > > a

> > > > > > > > statement

> > > > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > > > base or without understanding. His derivation

> > > sprung

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > deep

> > > > > > > > > > > > understanding that `for all the 12 signs, lagna

> > > lord

> > > > in

> > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > favorably placed, and this can be crystallized

> > into

> > > > the

> > > > > > > brief

> > > > > > > > > > > statement

> > > > > > > > > > > > - lagna lord in 5th can indicate bad results

> > such

> > > as -

> > > >

> > > > > > loss

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > > > child and anger'. Then is it that Meenaraja was

> > > wrong

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > Parasara

> > > > > > > > > > > > was right? No, it is not so. Meenaraja was

> > deriving

> > > a

> > > > > > > result

> > > > > > > > > > based

> > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > the prime condition – Lagna lord in 5th alone.

> > For

> > > > this

> > > > > > > prime

> > > > > > > > > > > > combination Meenaraja's derivation is

> absolutely

> > > > right.

> > > > > > But

> > > > > > > > > > > > Parasara's amendment springs from his deep

> > > > > understanding

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > zodiac. He knew that the general statement

> > > regarding

> > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > > > houses may not be completely true for lagna

> lord

> > in

> > > > > 5th,

> > > > > > > due

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > essential mutually co-related nature of the

> > signs

> > > > > itself.

> > > > > > > So

> > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > opinion

> > > > > > > > > > > > would be, `Yes, Meenaraja is right. But you

> know

> > > the

> > > > > > Signs

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > Zodiac, they have some specific connection to

> > death

> > > > as

> > > > > > far

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > is concerned. So your general derivation as

> > > proposed

> > > > by

> > > > > > > > > Meenaraja

> > > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > not work in this case. Consider this special

> > nature

> > > > of

> > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > signs and modify your derivation accordingly.

> > The

> > > you

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > > that,

> > > > > > > > > > > > lagna lord in 5th can signify many bad results

> > such

> > > > as

> > > > > > loss

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > > > child and anger'. It must be this deeper

> > > > understanding

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > prompted Parasara to suggest such a result.

> Yes,

> > > > > > Meenaraja

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > right, but

> > > > > > > > > > > > Parasara is also not off the mark. Meenaraja is

> > > > > concerned

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > general logic of the derivation only, but

> > Parasara

> > > > goes

> > > > > > > > deeper

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > general zodiacal context. Note it - possibly in

> > > other

> > > > > > > > > situations

> > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > > > > the same could be the case - Parasara has a

> > better

> > > > > > > > > understanding

> > > > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > > the zodiacal context, and may mix it with

> > general

> > > > > result

> > > > > > > > > > > derivation. His

> > > > > > > > > > > > thought and understanding penetrates into

> > deaths;

> > > and

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > far

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > wide. He is not depended on mere logic alone -

> > he

> > > is

> > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > practical. It

> > > > > > > > > > > > is because of this in-depth understanding;

> > Parasara

> > > > is

> > > > > > > termed

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > sage,

> > > > > > > > > > > > but Meenaraja a king, a scholar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > But even this understanding of Parasara view

> > does

> > > not

> > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > allow me

> > > > > > > > > > > > to pardon him - because here to derive the

> > result

> > > he

> > > > > > mixed

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > methods

> > > > > > > > > > > > of Sign-House Base result derivation, while

> > dealing

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > House

> > > > > > > > > > Base

> > > > > > > > > > > > result derivation - causing confusion to the

> > > learner.

> > > > I

> > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > suggest

> > > > > > > > > > > > that, in this context, the beginners should

> > stick

> > > to

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > cleaner

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > systematic approach proposed by Meenaraja,

> while

> > > > trying

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > master

> > > > > > > > > > > House

> > > > > > > > > > > > Base result derivation technique. The deeper

> > > > > > possibilities

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > modification to the suggested results should

> > dealt

> > > > with

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > understood,

> > > > > > > > > > > > while trying to learn Sign-House Base result

> > > > derivation

> > > > > > > > > technique.

> > > > > > > > > > > > The 5th house signifies things such as -

> > children,

> > > > > > > > intelligence,

> > > > > > > > > > > > creativity, genius, stomach, belly, ministers,

> > > secret

> > > > > > hymns

> > > > > > > > > > recited

> > > > > > > > > > > etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thus the placement of lagna lord in 5th

> > generates

> > > > > special

> > > > > > > > > > > importance to

> > > > > > > > > > > > the derivations related to the same.

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In my opinion placing of LL in 5th house should not be considered inisolation . If LL is friendly to lord of 5th house or LL is positivelyplaced in 5th house, if it has aspect of strong benefics Venus , Jupthen there would be positive result in cases like birth of child, theireducation, own intelligence etc.

 

If malefics particularly Mars,Rahu and Sun in that order is LL and placed in 5th house, then withoutany exception there would be abortion / death of first child in maleschart and bad tempered child, handicapped etc if same happens in maleschart....

 

 

Pratima_jha

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Quoting sreesog:

 

> Dear Pradeep,

==>

> (If LL in 5th) hisconcentration is not towards nourishing the 5th

> house but extractingfrom it.

==

But we already have the well supported rule that LLgoing to any

house will give beneficial results to that house. Such aconclusion

with contradict with that rule.

==>

> Parasara has alsosaid the same regarding LL in the 7th.Here i feel

> the individual isextracting from 7th and looking at 1st.

==

No that can't be said -there is well founded reason for LL going to

7th giving some badresults. i.e. Consider any sign, 7th HL is always

the enemy of the LL.Parasara must have this in mind. So Parasara's

derivations regarding LLgoing to 7th cannot be considered as

supportive to your above argument.

==>

> Similarly i feel if LL is in 3rd - The individual might get lotof

> help from siblings and he might not very much aware of their

>difficulties(irresponsible in their matters).

==

There tooParasara is saying that LL going to 3rd will give 'many

brothers',indicating that LL going to 3rd is beneficial for 3rd house.

==>

>Regarding anger - I feel it is the house of Pratibha/creativity and

>Lagna will be in a state of concentration and involvement leading to

>sudden anger when disturbed.

==

Yes, you have a point - LL going toany house indicate attachment to

the things indicated by that house. Inthe case of 5th, as you said it

is Children, Creativity etc. Thisattachment and ego could cause anger

- but I still doubt to what extendour argument is correct.

Another possibility is that 5th is 3rd(growth) from 3rd (anger) -

thus the same could indicate growth ofanger I feel; but still as RK

ji pointed out - this could be too muchextending. Therefore not much

confident about this argument aswell.

==>

> I feel many with LL in 5th may not worry, as only ifmultiple

> malefic factors are present the worst results canhappen.

==

Yes, of course I agree with it - anybody with suchcombination in

his/her horoscope should note that -

* what we aretrying to do is NOT to predict, but rather trying to

understand the'House Base' result derivation technique. A systematic

study of theresults proposed by sages - to understand the technique

involved.

Thanks for pouring in your views to help us all in trying to

understandthe 'ways of Parasara' in a better way.

Love and Hugs,

Sreenadh

 

,"vijayadas_pradeep"

wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadhji and other learned members who have contributed

>

> ''If lagna lordis in 5th, the native would be angry; will have

> moderate well-beingfrom children. The native will lose his first

> child. He would be aproud individual with much self-respect and

> reputation. He would bedear to the king.'' - Parasara

>

> As sage Parasara has said so,there should be some reason.My views-

>

> 5th lord is the main partyresponsible for protecting 5th house and

> not Lagna Lord.Lagna lordin 5th is pointing to the individual going

> to the house ofchildren/followers/Creativity/Position.Here the

> individual isextracting something from that house as compared to

> 5th lord goingto Lagna.

>

> In the case of Mata Amritananda Mayi 5th lord Saturn isexalted in

> lagna.Followers/Children are taking consort inLagna/AMMA.They are

> exalted or very happy there.

>

> Thus comingto the point - in this case the individual is not taking

> care ofchild(is absent minded) but is interested in his gains - His

>Pratibha/His positions etc.This can result in the loss of fisrt

>child and there onwards the individual may be bit careful.Even then

>his concentration is not towards nourishing the 5th house but

>extracting from it(moderate happiness).

>

> Parasara has also saidthe same regarding LL in the 7th.Here i feel

> the individual isextracting from 7th and looking at 1st.

>

> Similarly i feel if LL isin 3rd - The individual might get lot of

> help from siblings and hemight not very much aware of their

> difficulties(irresponsible intheir matters).

>

> Regarding anger - I feel it is the house ofPratibha/creativity and

> Lagna will be in a state of concentrationand involvement leading to

> sudden anger when disturbed.Moreoverbeing lorded by followers

> and ''new things'' - creativity/childrenetc - Lagna might not be

> very happy with the perfection ofsurroundings(immaturity).

>

> Regarding dear to king -I feel it is soas 5th is the ''Bhava''

> manifesting as Ministerial environment.

>

> I feel many with LL in 5th may not worry, as only if multiple

>malefic factors are present the worst results can happen.

>

> Lookingforward for expert views.

>

> Regds

> Pradeep

> --- In , "Sreenadh"

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > The results for Lagnalord in 5th house is discussed below.

> >

> >==============================================

> > Lagna lord in 5thHouse

> > -----------------------------

> >

> > If lagna lord is in5th, the native would be proud an individual

> with

> > muchself-respect and reputation and a bit angry but righteous and

>kind.

> > He will have children. He may have moderate well-being from

> children and

> > may lose his first child as well, especially ifthere is some

> malefic

> > influence on 5th house. He would be dearto the people with power

> and

> > authority. He will have goodauthority or rulership and will enjoy

> a

> > good eventful andenjoyable life. Bestowed with good qualities, he

> will

> > do manygood deeds.

> >

> > If lagna lord is in 5th, the native would beangry; will have

> moderate

> > well-being from children. The nativewill lose his first child. He

> would

> > be a proud individual withmuch self-respect and reputation. He

> would be

> > dear to theking.

> >

> > - Parasara Hora

> >

> > Why should lagna lord goingto 5th make the native an angry and

> > aggressive individual? One ofthe logic behind could be - 5th is

> 3rd

> > from 3rd house; andUpachaya (increase) stana of 3rd house. 3rd

> house

> > signify angerand possibly that is why lagna lord in 5th increases

> the

> > angerand agitation of the native. But also not that 5th is 2nd

> house

> >from 4th (simple and humble mind) making the native a straight

>forward

> > individual. It is also mentioned in the sloka that thenative will

> lose

> > his first child - why? The natural expectationwould be that lagna

> lord

> > in 5th should bestow good results for5th, thus providing children

> and

> > happiness from children to thenative. Of course if lagna lord is

> in 5th

> > is afflicted by somemalefic, then it would have double impact,

> since

> > the same wouldaffect both the 5th house and the lagna lord

> amplifying

> > thepossibility for bad result. Since 5th could signify the first

>child

> > the bad result could be attributed to the first child aswell.

> Actually

> > this is what we see mentioned in Meenaraja hora.But Parasara

> provides

> > no such clue about any required maleficinfluence in 5th house! We

> are

> > wonder stuck by this derivation,and we fail to imagine any solid

> reason

> > behind such aderivation in the absence of any malefic influence

> on 5th

> >house. Another version of the same sloka is available, which also

> >provides similar results.

> >

> > If lagna lord is in 5th, the nativewould be proud; will have

> moderate

> > well-being from children. Hewill lose his first child. He would be

> > angry and will have specialprivileges in the king's place.

> >

> > - Parasara Hora

> >

> >Apart from minor differences this sloka gives almost same results

>as

> > above. It seems that, the loss of first child should bepredicted

> only

> > if there is a malefic influence in 5th house,since the other

> available

> > slokas give good results concerningchildren if lagna lord is in

> 5th

> > house. [Note that similar toin this sloka Parasara will not

> mention

> > `if the lagna lord ismalefic and placed in x house' in many

> > other slokas as well. Wewill encounter this writing style related

> issue

> > in many otherinstances as well] Let us see what Meenaraja has to

> say.

> >

> >If lagna lord is in 5th house, the native will have children,

>righteous

> > and kind. He will have good authority or rulership andwill enjoy

> a good

> > eventful and enjoyable life. Bestowed withgood qualities, he will

> do

> > many good deeds.

> >

> > -Meenaraja Hora

> >

> > In one printed version of Meenaraja Hora theword Suseela is

> quoted as

> > Sugeeta (Good in singing). Select theproper word based on actual

> > experience observed.

> >

> > Notethat as per Meenaraja lagna lord in 5th `provides children'

> > anddoes not `destroy children'. Even though Parasara only says

> > that `lose of first child could happen', he too does not say

> > that `thenative will not have children'. If we combine the

> > statements ofboth Parasara and Meenaraja the only conclusion we

> could

> > reachis `The native will have children, but he may loss his first

> > childas well'. But it should be noted that the loss of first child

> > doesnot seems to be logically supported in the absence of malefic

> >influence on 5th house - this was my initial inference. (An

>amendment is

> > proposed later) The sloka provided by Hora Pradeepamis almost the

> same

> > as that of Meenaraja.

> >

> > If lagnalord is in 5th house, the native will have children,

> righteous

> >and kind. He will have good authority or rulership and will enjoy

> agood

> > eventful and happy life. Bestowed with good qualities, he willdo

> many

> > good deeds.

> >

> > - Hora Pradeepam

> >

> >Parasara says that Lagna lord in 5th would make the native angry -

>why?

> > Clearly any direct logic is not visible. Sun is the natural

> significator

> > of Lagna. If we are considering lagna lord in 5thas similar to

> sun in

> > 5th, then the above derivation would bejustified and possibly the

> lose

> > of first child as well. But isit a correct approach? I am

> doubtful.

> > Only verifying the actualresults from charts with similar

> combination

> > can shed somelight on this issue.

> >

> > Rule 5: Lagna lord in any house shouldbe treated similar to Sun

> in that

> > house, since Sun is thenatural significator of Lagna.

> >

> > I am a bit doubtful about thevalidity of the above rule. If not

> > supported by actual results itis better to ignore the above rule.

> The

> > logic supplied till nowdoes not seem to be capable enough to

> > satisfactorily explain thestrong results proposed by Parasara

> such as -

> > Lagna lord in 5thcausing the loss of first child; it will also

> make the

> > nativean angry individual. There should be some other logic as

> well.

> >

> > On retrospect we feel that - Parasara will not say something

>without a

> > sold reason. Why should he bring planets base result(e.g.

> > benefic/malefic) into it, when he was dealing with Housebase

> > prediction? That is not logical. There could be some otherin-depth

> > reason. Yes, you are right - there is. Let us analyze allthe

> possible

> > houses and lagna lord in their fifth house, andcheck whether the

> same

> > can cause the loss of child -

> >

> >1) Aries lagna, lagna lord Mars in Leo: Yes, Leo is a sign

>signifying

> > less children, and Mars a malefic in it can indicateloss of child

> for

> > sure.

> >

> > 2) Taurus lagna, lagna lordVenus in Virgo: Virgo is the

> debilitation

> > sign for Venus. Alsonot that Venus owns the lordship of 6th house

> as

> > well. Thus forsure for Taurus lagna Venus in 5th can indicate

> loss of

> > childfor sure.

> >

> > 3) Gemini lagna, lagna lord Me in Libra: Note thatVenus the lord

> of

> > Libra owns the 12th house (house indicatingdeath) as well.

> Possibly the

> > combination can indicate loss ordeath.

> >

> > 4) Cancer lagna, Moon in Scorpio: Scorpio is thedebilitation sign

> for

> > Moon. Ofcourse the same can indicate theloss of child.

> >

> > 5) Leo lagna, Sun in Sagittarius: Note thatthe lord of Sagittarius

> > Jupiter owns the 8th house (death) as well.Thus certainly the

> > combination can indicate the loss or death ofchild.

> >

> > 6) Virgo lagna, Me in Capricorn: The lord of CapricornSaturn owns

> the

> > 6th house as well. Possibly the combination canindicate bad

> results

> > such as loss of child - amended by thefact that both Mercury and

> Saturn

> > are imbecile planets.

> >

> > 7) Libra lagna, Venus in Aquarius: Note that lagna lord Venus is

> also

> > the 8th lord. Certainly 8th lord is a malefic, and amalefic

> placed in

> > 5th can indicate lose of child.

> >

> > Ifyou continue this analysis, you could see that for most of the

> 12

>> signs, lagna lord placed in 5th can indicate the loss of child,

>even

> > though the same does not match perfectly for Aquarius andPisces

> Lagna.

> > Thus it becomes clear that Parasara was notmaking a statement

> without

> > base or without understanding. Hisderivation sprung from the deep

> > understanding that `for all the 12signs, lagna lord in 5th is not

> > favorably placed, and this can becrystallized into the brief

> statement

> > - lagna lord in 5th canindicate bad results such as - loss of

> first

> > child and anger'.Then is it that Meenaraja was wrong and Parasara

> > was right? No, itis not so. Meenaraja was deriving a result based

> on

> > the primecondition ? Lagna lord in 5th alone. For this prime

> > combinationMeenaraja's derivation is absolutely right. But

> > Parasara'samendment springs from his deep understanding of the

> > zodiac. Heknew that the general statement regarding lagna lord in

> other

> >houses may not be completely true for lagna lord in 5th, due to

> >essential mutually co-related nature of the signs itself. So his

>opinion

> > would be, `Yes, Meenaraja is right. But you know the Signsin

> > Zodiac, they have some specific connection to death as far as5th

> house

> > is concerned. So your general derivation as proposedby Meenaraja

> will

> > not work in this case. Consider this specialnature of 5th from

> all the

> > signs and modify your derivationaccordingly. The you will see

> that,

> > lagna lord in 5th cansignify many bad results such as loss of

> first

> > child andanger'. It must be this deeper understanding which

> > promptedParasara to suggest such a result. Yes, Meenaraja is

> right, but

> >Parasara is also not off the mark. Meenaraja is concerned with the

> >general logic of the derivation only, but Parasara goes deeper in

>the

> > general zodiacal context. Note it - possibly in othersituations

> as well

> > the same could be the case - Parasara has abetter understanding

> about

> > the zodiacal context, and may mix itwith general result

> derivation. His

> > thought and understandingpenetrates into deaths; and is more far

> and

> > wide. He is notdepended on mere logic alone - he is more

> practical. It

> > isbecause of this in-depth understanding; Parasara is termed a

>sage,

> > but Meenaraja a king, a scholar.

> >

> > But even thisunderstanding of Parasara view does not does not

> allow me

> > topardon him - because here to derive the result he mixed the

>methods

> > of Sign-House Base result derivation, while dealing withHouse Base

> > result derivation - causing confusion to the learner. Iwould

> suggest

> > that, in this context, the beginners should stickto the cleaner

> and

> > systematic approach proposed by Meenaraja,while trying to master

> House

> > Base result derivation technique.The deeper possibilities and

> > modification to the suggested resultsshould dealt with and

> understood,

> > while trying to learnSign-House Base result derivation technique.

> > The 5th housesignifies things such as - children, intelligence,

> > creativity,genius, stomach, belly, ministers, secret hymns

> recited etc.

> >Thus the placement of lagna lord in 5th generates special

> importanceto

> > the derivations related to the same.

> >

> > Extractfrom:

> >

>Sreenadh

>/La

> > gna%20lord%20in%20Various%20Houses.pdf

> >==============================================

> > Love,

> >Sreenadh

> >

>

 

 

 

 

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Freinds,

 

I am extremely sorry to read about immotional fight overequality of male female. Both are equally important for this universeto survive prosper.

 

Please dont fight over issue of equality ofmale and female.

 

What will happen if moon as a lagna lord is placedin 5th house or Jupiter as lagna lord is placed in 5th house 'Aries' orVenus as LL is placed in 5th house in Aquarius . In all such cases therewould be no harm to children or there would not be any abortion aswell.

 

pratima_jha

 

Quoting phyllis:

 

>

 

 

 

_____

 

Ernst Wilhelm [ernst]

September 27, 2007 11:40 AM

 

RE: Re: Lagna lord in 5th House

 

 

 

Thesetypes of yogas do indicate death, unless there are arishta Bhanga

yogasthat prevent the death, in which case there are stillhealth

considerations or stress during birth to the child and ormother, but only

when there are arishta bhanga yogas, otherwise it isdeath, and certainly no

cause for a girl! You will see these yogas incharts of babies born with

emergency c-section for instance.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jai Rama,

 

Ernst

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of renunw

Thursday, September 27,2007 11:19 AM

 

Re: Lagna lord in 5th House

 

 

 

> DearLalit ji,

 

> "loss doesn't mean death, it may be girl child, it may behopeless

> child, it may be a child with poor health, "

 

Pleasekindly note that the above statement by you is absurd and

insulting.Do you consider a girl born is as similar as a hopeless

child?

Orsimilar to a child with poor health? I am sure this has nothing to

dowith gender but may be I agree with your other suggestions.

 

This isthe 21st century and gone are the days of the male dominant

society.Don't you have a mother, a sister, a wife or a daughter? Do

you thinkyour mother was born to this world as a result of a malefic

influenceon the lagna lord placed in the 5H of her mother's horoscope?

 

I amsorry to write like this...but never ever forget that male and

femalehold equal status in this world.

 

blessings

 

Renu

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Pradeep,

==>

> (If LL in 5th) his concentration is not towards nourishing the 5th

> house but extracting from it.

<==

But we already have the well supported rule that LL going to any

house will give beneficial results to that house. Such a conclusion

with contradict with that rule.

==>

> Parasara has also said the same regarding LL in the 7th.Here i feel

> the individual is extracting from 7th and looking at 1st.

<==

No that can't be said - there is well founded reason for LL going to

7th giving some bad results. i.e. Consider any sign, 7th HL is always

the enemy of the LL. Parasara must have this in mind. So Parasara's

derivations regarding LL going to 7th cannot be considered as

supportive to your above argument.

==>

> Similarly i feel if LL is in 3rd - The individual might get lot of

> help from siblings and he might not very much aware of their

> difficulties(irresponsible in their matters).

<==

There too Parasara is saying that LL going to 3rd will give 'many

brothers', indicating that LL going to 3rd is beneficial for 3rd house.

==>

> Regarding anger - I feel it is the house of Pratibha/creativity and

> Lagna will be in a state of concentration and involvement leading to

> sudden anger when disturbed.

<==

Yes, you have a point - LL going to any house indicate attachment to

the things indicated by that house. In the case of 5th, as you said it

is Children, Creativity etc. This attachment and ego could cause anger

- but I still doubt to what extend our argument is correct.

Another possibility is that 5th is 3rd (growth) from 3rd (anger) -

thus the same could indicate growth of anger I feel; but still as RK

ji pointed out - this could be too much extending. Therefore not much

confident about this argument as well.

==>

> I feel many with LL in 5th may not worry, as only if multiple

> malefic factors are present the worst results can happen.

<==

Yes, of course I agree with it - anybody with such combination in

his/her horoscope should note that -

* what we are trying to do is NOT to predict, but rather trying to

understand the 'House Base' result derivation technique. A systematic

study of the results proposed by sages - to understand the technique

involved.

Thanks for pouring in your views to help us all in trying to

understand the 'ways of Parasara' in a better way.

Love and Hugs,

Sreenadh

 

, " vijayadas_pradeep "

<vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadh ji and other learned members who have contributed

>

> ''If lagna lord is in 5th, the native would be angry; will have

> moderate well-being from children. The native will lose his first

> child. He would be a proud individual with much self-respect and

> reputation. He would be dear to the king.'' - Parasara

>

> As sage Parasara has said so ,there should be some reason.My views-

>

> 5th lord is the main party responsible for protecting 5th house and

> not Lagna Lord.Lagna lord in 5th is pointing to the individual going

> to the house of children/followers/Creativity/Position.Here the

> individual is extracting something from that house as compared to

> 5th lord going to Lagna.

>

> In the case of Mata Amritananda Mayi 5th lord Saturn is exalted in

> lagna.Followers/Children are taking consort in Lagna/AMMA.They are

> exalted or very happy there.

>

> Thus coming to the point - in this case the individual is not taking

> care of child(is absent minded) but is interested in his gains - His

> Pratibha/His positions etc.This can result in the loss of fisrt

> child and there onwards the individual may be bit careful.Even then

> his concentration is not towards nourishing the 5th house but

> extracting from it(moderate happiness).

>

> Parasara has also said the same regarding LL in the 7th.Here i feel

> the individual is extracting from 7th and looking at 1st.

>

> Similarly i feel if LL is in 3rd - The individual might get lot of

> help from siblings and he might not very much aware of their

> difficulties(irresponsible in their matters).

>

> Regarding anger - I feel it is the house of Pratibha/creativity and

> Lagna will be in a state of concentration and involvement leading to

> sudden anger when disturbed.Moreover being lorded by followers

> and ''new things'' - creativity/children etc - Lagna might not be

> very happy with the perfection of surroundings(immaturity).

>

> Regarding dear to king -I feel it is so as 5th is the ''Bhava''

> manifesting as Ministerial environment.

>

> I feel many with LL in 5th may not worry, as only if multiple

> malefic factors are present the worst results can happen.

>

> Looking forward for expert views.

>

> Regds

> Pradeep

> , " Sreenadh "

> <sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > The results for Lagna lord in 5th house is discussed below.

> >

> > ==============================================

> > Lagna lord in 5th House

> > -----------------------------

> >

> > If lagna lord is in 5th, the native would be proud an individual

> with

> > much self-respect and reputation and a bit angry but righteous and

> kind.

> > He will have children. He may have moderate well-being from

> children and

> > may lose his first child as well, especially if there is some

> malefic

> > influence on 5th house. He would be dear to the people with power

> and

> > authority. He will have good authority or rulership and will enjoy

> a

> > good eventful and enjoyable life. Bestowed with good qualities, he

> will

> > do many good deeds.

> >

> > If lagna lord is in 5th, the native would be angry; will have

> moderate

> > well-being from children. The native will lose his first child. He

> would

> > be a proud individual with much self-respect and reputation. He

> would be

> > dear to the king.

> >

> > - Parasara Hora

> >

> > Why should lagna lord going to 5th make the native an angry and

> > aggressive individual? One of the logic behind could be - 5th is

> 3rd

> > from 3rd house; and Upachaya (increase) stana of 3rd house. 3rd

> house

> > signify anger and possibly that is why lagna lord in 5th increases

> the

> > anger and agitation of the native. But also not that 5th is 2nd

> house

> > from 4th (simple and humble mind) making the native a straight

> forward

> > individual. It is also mentioned in the sloka that the native will

> lose

> > his first child - why? The natural expectation would be that lagna

> lord

> > in 5th should bestow good results for 5th, thus providing children

> and

> > happiness from children to the native. Of course if lagna lord is

> in 5th

> > is afflicted by some malefic, then it would have double impact,

> since

> > the same would affect both the 5th house and the lagna lord

> amplifying

> > the possibility for bad result. Since 5th could signify the first

> child

> > the bad result could be attributed to the first child as well.

> Actually

> > this is what we see mentioned in Meenaraja hora. But Parasara

> provides

> > no such clue about any required malefic influence in 5th house! We

> are

> > wonder stuck by this derivation, and we fail to imagine any solid

> reason

> > behind such a derivation in the absence of any malefic influence

> on 5th

> > house. Another version of the same sloka is available, which also

> > provides similar results.

> >

> > If lagna lord is in 5th, the native would be proud; will have

> moderate

> > well-being from children. He will lose his first child. He would be

> > angry and will have special privileges in the king's place.

> >

> > - Parasara Hora

> >

> > Apart from minor differences this sloka gives almost same results

> as

> > above. It seems that, the loss of first child should be predicted

> only

> > if there is a malefic influence in 5th house, since the other

> available

> > slokas give good results concerning children if lagna lord is in

> 5th

> > house. [Note that similar to in this sloka Parasara will not

> mention

> > `if the lagna lord is malefic and placed in x house' in many

> > other slokas as well. We will encounter this writing style related

> issue

> > in many other instances as well] Let us see what Meenaraja has to

> say.

> >

> > If lagna lord is in 5th house, the native will have children,

> righteous

> > and kind. He will have good authority or rulership and will enjoy

> a good

> > eventful and enjoyable life. Bestowed with good qualities, he will

> do

> > many good deeds.

> >

> > - Meenaraja Hora

> >

> > In one printed version of Meenaraja Hora the word Suseela is

> quoted as

> > Sugeeta (Good in singing). Select the proper word based on actual

> > experience observed.

> >

> > Note that as per Meenaraja lagna lord in 5th `provides children'

> > and does not `destroy children'. Even though Parasara only says

> > that `lose of first child could happen', he too does not say

> > that `the native will not have children'. If we combine the

> > statements of both Parasara and Meenaraja the only conclusion we

> could

> > reach is `The native will have children, but he may loss his first

> > child as well'. But it should be noted that the loss of first child

> > does not seems to be logically supported in the absence of malefic

> > influence on 5th house - this was my initial inference. (An

> amendment is

> > proposed later) The sloka provided by Hora Pradeepam is almost the

> same

> > as that of Meenaraja.

> >

> > If lagna lord is in 5th house, the native will have children,

> righteous

> > and kind. He will have good authority or rulership and will enjoy

> a good

> > eventful and happy life. Bestowed with good qualities, he will do

> many

> > good deeds.

> >

> > - Hora Pradeepam

> >

> > Parasara says that Lagna lord in 5th would make the native angry -

> why?

> > Clearly any direct logic is not visible. Sun is the natural

> significator

> > of Lagna. If we are considering lagna lord in 5th as similar to

> sun in

> > 5th, then the above derivation would be justified and possibly the

> lose

> > of first child as well. But is it a correct approach? I am

> doubtful.

> > Only verifying the actual results from charts with similar

> combination

> > can shed some light on this issue.

> >

> > Rule 5: Lagna lord in any house should be treated similar to Sun

> in that

> > house, since Sun is the natural significator of Lagna.

> >

> > I am a bit doubtful about the validity of the above rule. If not

> > supported by actual results it is better to ignore the above rule.

> The

> > logic supplied till now does not seem to be capable enough to

> > satisfactorily explain the strong results proposed by Parasara

> such as -

> > Lagna lord in 5th causing the loss of first child; it will also

> make the

> > native an angry individual. There should be some other logic as

> well.

> >

> > On retrospect we feel that - Parasara will not say something

> without a

> > sold reason. Why should he bring planets base result (e.g.

> > benefic/malefic) into it, when he was dealing with House base

> > prediction? That is not logical. There could be some other in-depth

> > reason. Yes, you are right - there is. Let us analyze all the

> possible

> > houses and lagna lord in their fifth house, and check whether the

> same

> > can cause the loss of child -

> >

> > 1) Aries lagna, lagna lord Mars in Leo: Yes, Leo is a sign

> signifying

> > less children, and Mars a malefic in it can indicate loss of child

> for

> > sure.

> >

> > 2) Taurus lagna, lagna lord Venus in Virgo: Virgo is the

> debilitation

> > sign for Venus. Also not that Venus owns the lordship of 6th house

> as

> > well. Thus for sure for Taurus lagna Venus in 5th can indicate

> loss of

> > child for sure.

> >

> > 3) Gemini lagna, lagna lord Me in Libra: Note that Venus the lord

> of

> > Libra owns the 12th house (house indicating death) as well.

> Possibly the

> > combination can indicate loss or death.

> >

> > 4) Cancer lagna, Moon in Scorpio: Scorpio is the debilitation sign

> for

> > Moon. Ofcourse the same can indicate the loss of child.

> >

> > 5) Leo lagna, Sun in Sagittarius: Note that the lord of Sagittarius

> > Jupiter owns the 8th house (death) as well. Thus certainly the

> > combination can indicate the loss or death of child.

> >

> > 6) Virgo lagna, Me in Capricorn: The lord of Capricorn Saturn owns

> the

> > 6th house as well. Possibly the combination can indicate bad

> results

> > such as loss of child - amended by the fact that both Mercury and

> Saturn

> > are imbecile planets.

> >

> > 7) Libra lagna, Venus in Aquarius: Note that lagna lord Venus is

> also

> > the 8th lord. Certainly 8th lord is a malefic, and a malefic

> placed in

> > 5th can indicate lose of child.

> >

> > If you continue this analysis, you could see that for most of the

> 12

> > signs, lagna lord placed in 5th can indicate the loss of child,

> even

> > though the same does not match perfectly for Aquarius and Pisces

> Lagna.

> > Thus it becomes clear that Parasara was not making a statement

> without

> > base or without understanding. His derivation sprung from the deep

> > understanding that `for all the 12 signs, lagna lord in 5th is not

> > favorably placed, and this can be crystallized into the brief

> statement

> > - lagna lord in 5th can indicate bad results such as - loss of

> first

> > child and anger'. Then is it that Meenaraja was wrong and Parasara

> > was right? No, it is not so. Meenaraja was deriving a result based

> on

> > the prime condition ? Lagna lord in 5th alone. For this prime

> > combination Meenaraja's derivation is absolutely right. But

> > Parasara's amendment springs from his deep understanding of the

> > zodiac. He knew that the general statement regarding lagna lord in

> other

> > houses may not be completely true for lagna lord in 5th, due to

> > essential mutually co-related nature of the signs itself. So his

> opinion

> > would be, `Yes, Meenaraja is right. But you know the Signs in

> > Zodiac, they have some specific connection to death as far as 5th

> house

> > is concerned. So your general derivation as proposed by Meenaraja

> will

> > not work in this case. Consider this special nature of 5th from

> all the

> > signs and modify your derivation accordingly. The you will see

> that,

> > lagna lord in 5th can signify many bad results such as loss of

> first

> > child and anger'. It must be this deeper understanding which

> > prompted Parasara to suggest such a result. Yes, Meenaraja is

> right, but

> > Parasara is also not off the mark. Meenaraja is concerned with the

> > general logic of the derivation only, but Parasara goes deeper in

> the

> > general zodiacal context. Note it - possibly in other situations

> as well

> > the same could be the case - Parasara has a better understanding

> about

> > the zodiacal context, and may mix it with general result

> derivation. His

> > thought and understanding penetrates into deaths; and is more far

> and

> > wide. He is not depended on mere logic alone - he is more

> practical. It

> > is because of this in-depth understanding; Parasara is termed a

> sage,

> > but Meenaraja a king, a scholar.

> >

> > But even this understanding of Parasara view does not does not

> allow me

> > to pardon him - because here to derive the result he mixed the

> methods

> > of Sign-House Base result derivation, while dealing with House Base

> > result derivation - causing confusion to the learner. I would

> suggest

> > that, in this context, the beginners should stick to the cleaner

> and

> > systematic approach proposed by Meenaraja, while trying to master

> House

> > Base result derivation technique. The deeper possibilities and

> > modification to the suggested results should dealt with and

> understood,

> > while trying to learn Sign-House Base result derivation technique.

> > The 5th house signifies things such as - children, intelligence,

> > creativity, genius, stomach, belly, ministers, secret hymns

> recited etc.

> > Thus the placement of lagna lord in 5th generates special

> importance to

> > the derivations related to the same.

> >

> > Extract from:

> >

> Sreenadh

> /La\

> > gna%20lord%20in%20Various%20Houses.pdf

> > ==============================================

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreenadh ji and other members

 

Pls consider my views only with academic importance.

 

> But we already have the well supported rule that LL going to any

> house will give beneficial results to that house. Such a conclusion

> with contradict with that rule.

 

You are rihgt.I would like to understand it in another way.The whole

chart is understood w.r to Lagna -His gains and deteriorations.Thus

the benefit is for Lagna .If Lagna lord is well placed in fourth -

Means he has sthana bala there ,good grahas have amsha there,and 4th

lord is strong - then he will gain from the environments held by 4th

Bhava.Here Mother does not need support from the Jataka as compared to

child represented by 5th.

 

If LL is in 11th Jataka is having gains or Labha.

 

But in 5th - there is a difference - unlike 4th house and Mother, the

child needs support from Jataka.Wife too needs support from Jataka.If

Lagna lord is extracting as compared to nourish,then respective

indications can suffer.But i agree with your point regarding 7th

house(enemity).

 

> There too Parasara is saying that LL going to 3rd will give 'many

> brothers', indicating that LL going to 3rd is beneficial for 3rd

>house.

 

Yes ,i too have mentioned that jataka will benefit from siblings.The

point is siblings may not get significant consideration from jataka.

 

As the siblings are not totally dependent on jataka they will not have

any problem similar to the one faced by child (first) or spouse.

His negligence is worry for siblings and Mother not for the Jataka.On

the other hand his negligence will result in destruction of child and

wife(direct dependence).As 5th is budhi sthana the individual may

realize this after 1st instance.But in 7th he can be subjected to some

pleasures :-)leading to his fall or some good associations leading to

his escalation.

 

As you have said the sage alone knows the reason.With GOD's grace we

are sharing whatever little that is coming to our mind.

 

Regds

Pradeep

 

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep,

> ==>

> > (If LL in 5th) his concentration is not towards nourishing the 5th

> > house but extracting from it.

> <==

> But we already have the well supported rule that LL going to any

> house will give beneficial results to that house. Such a conclusion

> with contradict with that rule.

> ==>

> > Parasara has also said the same regarding LL in the 7th.Here i feel

> > the individual is extracting from 7th and looking at 1st.

> <==

> No that can't be said - there is well founded reason for LL going to

> 7th giving some bad results. i.e. Consider any sign, 7th HL is always

> the enemy of the LL. Parasara must have this in mind. So Parasara's

> derivations regarding LL going to 7th cannot be considered as

> supportive to your above argument.

> ==>

> > Similarly i feel if LL is in 3rd - The individual might get lot of

> > help from siblings and he might not very much aware of their

> > difficulties(irresponsible in their matters).

> <==

> There too Parasara is saying that LL going to 3rd will give 'many

> brothers', indicating that LL going to 3rd is beneficial for 3rd house.

> ==>

> > Regarding anger - I feel it is the house of Pratibha/creativity and

> > Lagna will be in a state of concentration and involvement leading to

> > sudden anger when disturbed.

> <==

> Yes, you have a point - LL going to any house indicate attachment to

> the things indicated by that house. In the case of 5th, as you said it

> is Children, Creativity etc. This attachment and ego could cause anger

> - but I still doubt to what extend our argument is correct.

> Another possibility is that 5th is 3rd (growth) from 3rd (anger) -

> thus the same could indicate growth of anger I feel; but still as RK

> ji pointed out - this could be too much extending. Therefore not much

> confident about this argument as well.

> ==>

> > I feel many with LL in 5th may not worry, as only if multiple

> > malefic factors are present the worst results can happen.

> <==

> Yes, of course I agree with it - anybody with such combination in

> his/her horoscope should note that -

> * what we are trying to do is NOT to predict, but rather trying to

> understand the 'House Base' result derivation technique. A systematic

> study of the results proposed by sages - to understand the technique

> involved.

> Thanks for pouring in your views to help us all in trying to

> understand the 'ways of Parasara' in a better way.

> Love and Hugs,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadh ji and other learned members who have contributed

> >

> > ''If lagna lord is in 5th, the native would be angry; will have

> > moderate well-being from children. The native will lose his first

> > child. He would be a proud individual with much self-respect and

> > reputation. He would be dear to the king.'' - Parasara

> >

> > As sage Parasara has said so ,there should be some reason.My views-

> >

> > 5th lord is the main party responsible for protecting 5th house and

> > not Lagna Lord.Lagna lord in 5th is pointing to the individual going

> > to the house of children/followers/Creativity/Position.Here the

> > individual is extracting something from that house as compared to

> > 5th lord going to Lagna.

> >

> > In the case of Mata Amritananda Mayi 5th lord Saturn is exalted in

> > lagna.Followers/Children are taking consort in Lagna/AMMA.They are

> > exalted or very happy there.

> >

> > Thus coming to the point - in this case the individual is not taking

> > care of child(is absent minded) but is interested in his gains - His

> > Pratibha/His positions etc.This can result in the loss of fisrt

> > child and there onwards the individual may be bit careful.Even then

> > his concentration is not towards nourishing the 5th house but

> > extracting from it(moderate happiness).

> >

> > Parasara has also said the same regarding LL in the 7th.Here i feel

> > the individual is extracting from 7th and looking at 1st.

> >

> > Similarly i feel if LL is in 3rd - The individual might get lot of

> > help from siblings and he might not very much aware of their

> > difficulties(irresponsible in their matters).

> >

> > Regarding anger - I feel it is the house of Pratibha/creativity and

> > Lagna will be in a state of concentration and involvement leading to

> > sudden anger when disturbed.Moreover being lorded by followers

> > and ''new things'' - creativity/children etc - Lagna might not be

> > very happy with the perfection of surroundings(immaturity).

> >

> > Regarding dear to king -I feel it is so as 5th is the ''Bhava''

> > manifesting as Ministerial environment.

> >

> > I feel many with LL in 5th may not worry, as only if multiple

> > malefic factors are present the worst results can happen.

> >

> > Looking forward for expert views.

> >

> > Regds

> > Pradeep

> > , " Sreenadh "

> > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear All,

> > >

> > > The results for Lagna lord in 5th house is discussed below.

> > >

> > > ==============================================

> > > Lagna lord in 5th House

> > > -----------------------------

> > >

> > > If lagna lord is in 5th, the native would be proud an individual

> > with

> > > much self-respect and reputation and a bit angry but righteous and

> > kind.

> > > He will have children. He may have moderate well-being from

> > children and

> > > may lose his first child as well, especially if there is some

> > malefic

> > > influence on 5th house. He would be dear to the people with power

> > and

> > > authority. He will have good authority or rulership and will enjoy

> > a

> > > good eventful and enjoyable life. Bestowed with good qualities, he

> > will

> > > do many good deeds.

> > >

> > > If lagna lord is in 5th, the native would be angry; will have

> > moderate

> > > well-being from children. The native will lose his first child. He

> > would

> > > be a proud individual with much self-respect and reputation. He

> > would be

> > > dear to the king.

> > >

> > > - Parasara Hora

> > >

> > > Why should lagna lord going to 5th make the native an angry and

> > > aggressive individual? One of the logic behind could be - 5th is

> > 3rd

> > > from 3rd house; and Upachaya (increase) stana of 3rd house. 3rd

> > house

> > > signify anger and possibly that is why lagna lord in 5th increases

> > the

> > > anger and agitation of the native. But also not that 5th is 2nd

> > house

> > > from 4th (simple and humble mind) making the native a straight

> > forward

> > > individual. It is also mentioned in the sloka that the native will

> > lose

> > > his first child - why? The natural expectation would be that lagna

> > lord

> > > in 5th should bestow good results for 5th, thus providing children

> > and

> > > happiness from children to the native. Of course if lagna lord is

> > in 5th

> > > is afflicted by some malefic, then it would have double impact,

> > since

> > > the same would affect both the 5th house and the lagna lord

> > amplifying

> > > the possibility for bad result. Since 5th could signify the first

> > child

> > > the bad result could be attributed to the first child as well.

> > Actually

> > > this is what we see mentioned in Meenaraja hora. But Parasara

> > provides

> > > no such clue about any required malefic influence in 5th house! We

> > are

> > > wonder stuck by this derivation, and we fail to imagine any solid

> > reason

> > > behind such a derivation in the absence of any malefic influence

> > on 5th

> > > house. Another version of the same sloka is available, which also

> > > provides similar results.

> > >

> > > If lagna lord is in 5th, the native would be proud; will have

> > moderate

> > > well-being from children. He will lose his first child. He would be

> > > angry and will have special privileges in the king's place.

> > >

> > > - Parasara Hora

> > >

> > > Apart from minor differences this sloka gives almost same results

> > as

> > > above. It seems that, the loss of first child should be predicted

> > only

> > > if there is a malefic influence in 5th house, since the other

> > available

> > > slokas give good results concerning children if lagna lord is in

> > 5th

> > > house. [Note that similar to in this sloka Parasara will not

> > mention

> > > `if the lagna lord is malefic and placed in x house' in many

> > > other slokas as well. We will encounter this writing style related

> > issue

> > > in many other instances as well] Let us see what Meenaraja has to

> > say.

> > >

> > > If lagna lord is in 5th house, the native will have children,

> > righteous

> > > and kind. He will have good authority or rulership and will enjoy

> > a good

> > > eventful and enjoyable life. Bestowed with good qualities, he will

> > do

> > > many good deeds.

> > >

> > > - Meenaraja Hora

> > >

> > > In one printed version of Meenaraja Hora the word Suseela is

> > quoted as

> > > Sugeeta (Good in singing). Select the proper word based on actual

> > > experience observed.

> > >

> > > Note that as per Meenaraja lagna lord in 5th `provides children'

> > > and does not `destroy children'. Even though Parasara only says

> > > that `lose of first child could happen', he too does not say

> > > that `the native will not have children'. If we combine the

> > > statements of both Parasara and Meenaraja the only conclusion we

> > could

> > > reach is `The native will have children, but he may loss his first

> > > child as well'. But it should be noted that the loss of first child

> > > does not seems to be logically supported in the absence of malefic

> > > influence on 5th house - this was my initial inference. (An

> > amendment is

> > > proposed later) The sloka provided by Hora Pradeepam is almost the

> > same

> > > as that of Meenaraja.

> > >

> > > If lagna lord is in 5th house, the native will have children,

> > righteous

> > > and kind. He will have good authority or rulership and will enjoy

> > a good

> > > eventful and happy life. Bestowed with good qualities, he will do

> > many

> > > good deeds.

> > >

> > > - Hora Pradeepam

> > >

> > > Parasara says that Lagna lord in 5th would make the native angry -

> > why?

> > > Clearly any direct logic is not visible. Sun is the natural

> > significator

> > > of Lagna. If we are considering lagna lord in 5th as similar to

> > sun in

> > > 5th, then the above derivation would be justified and possibly the

> > lose

> > > of first child as well. But is it a correct approach? I am

> > doubtful.

> > > Only verifying the actual results from charts with similar

> > combination

> > > can shed some light on this issue.

> > >

> > > Rule 5: Lagna lord in any house should be treated similar to Sun

> > in that

> > > house, since Sun is the natural significator of Lagna.

> > >

> > > I am a bit doubtful about the validity of the above rule. If not

> > > supported by actual results it is better to ignore the above rule.

> > The

> > > logic supplied till now does not seem to be capable enough to

> > > satisfactorily explain the strong results proposed by Parasara

> > such as -

> > > Lagna lord in 5th causing the loss of first child; it will also

> > make the

> > > native an angry individual. There should be some other logic as

> > well.

> > >

> > > On retrospect we feel that - Parasara will not say something

> > without a

> > > sold reason. Why should he bring planets base result (e.g.

> > > benefic/malefic) into it, when he was dealing with House base

> > > prediction? That is not logical. There could be some other in-depth

> > > reason. Yes, you are right - there is. Let us analyze all the

> > possible

> > > houses and lagna lord in their fifth house, and check whether the

> > same

> > > can cause the loss of child -

> > >

> > > 1) Aries lagna, lagna lord Mars in Leo: Yes, Leo is a sign

> > signifying

> > > less children, and Mars a malefic in it can indicate loss of child

> > for

> > > sure.

> > >

> > > 2) Taurus lagna, lagna lord Venus in Virgo: Virgo is the

> > debilitation

> > > sign for Venus. Also not that Venus owns the lordship of 6th house

> > as

> > > well. Thus for sure for Taurus lagna Venus in 5th can indicate

> > loss of

> > > child for sure.

> > >

> > > 3) Gemini lagna, lagna lord Me in Libra: Note that Venus the lord

> > of

> > > Libra owns the 12th house (house indicating death) as well.

> > Possibly the

> > > combination can indicate loss or death.

> > >

> > > 4) Cancer lagna, Moon in Scorpio: Scorpio is the debilitation sign

> > for

> > > Moon. Ofcourse the same can indicate the loss of child.

> > >

> > > 5) Leo lagna, Sun in Sagittarius: Note that the lord of Sagittarius

> > > Jupiter owns the 8th house (death) as well. Thus certainly the

> > > combination can indicate the loss or death of child.

> > >

> > > 6) Virgo lagna, Me in Capricorn: The lord of Capricorn Saturn owns

> > the

> > > 6th house as well. Possibly the combination can indicate bad

> > results

> > > such as loss of child - amended by the fact that both Mercury and

> > Saturn

> > > are imbecile planets.

> > >

> > > 7) Libra lagna, Venus in Aquarius: Note that lagna lord Venus is

> > also

> > > the 8th lord. Certainly 8th lord is a malefic, and a malefic

> > placed in

> > > 5th can indicate lose of child.

> > >

> > > If you continue this analysis, you could see that for most of the

> > 12

> > > signs, lagna lord placed in 5th can indicate the loss of child,

> > even

> > > though the same does not match perfectly for Aquarius and Pisces

> > Lagna.

> > > Thus it becomes clear that Parasara was not making a statement

> > without

> > > base or without understanding. His derivation sprung from the deep

> > > understanding that `for all the 12 signs, lagna lord in 5th is not

> > > favorably placed, and this can be crystallized into the brief

> > statement

> > > - lagna lord in 5th can indicate bad results such as - loss of

> > first

> > > child and anger'. Then is it that Meenaraja was wrong and Parasara

> > > was right? No, it is not so. Meenaraja was deriving a result based

> > on

> > > the prime condition ? Lagna lord in 5th alone. For this prime

> > > combination Meenaraja's derivation is absolutely right. But

> > > Parasara's amendment springs from his deep understanding of the

> > > zodiac. He knew that the general statement regarding lagna lord in

> > other

> > > houses may not be completely true for lagna lord in 5th, due to

> > > essential mutually co-related nature of the signs itself. So his

> > opinion

> > > would be, `Yes, Meenaraja is right. But you know the Signs in

> > > Zodiac, they have some specific connection to death as far as 5th

> > house

> > > is concerned. So your general derivation as proposed by Meenaraja

> > will

> > > not work in this case. Consider this special nature of 5th from

> > all the

> > > signs and modify your derivation accordingly. The you will see

> > that,

> > > lagna lord in 5th can signify many bad results such as loss of

> > first

> > > child and anger'. It must be this deeper understanding which

> > > prompted Parasara to suggest such a result. Yes, Meenaraja is

> > right, but

> > > Parasara is also not off the mark. Meenaraja is concerned with the

> > > general logic of the derivation only, but Parasara goes deeper in

> > the

> > > general zodiacal context. Note it - possibly in other situations

> > as well

> > > the same could be the case - Parasara has a better understanding

> > about

> > > the zodiacal context, and may mix it with general result

> > derivation. His

> > > thought and understanding penetrates into deaths; and is more far

> > and

> > > wide. He is not depended on mere logic alone - he is more

> > practical. It

> > > is because of this in-depth understanding; Parasara is termed a

> > sage,

> > > but Meenaraja a king, a scholar.

> > >

> > > But even this understanding of Parasara view does not does not

> > allow me

> > > to pardon him - because here to derive the result he mixed the

> > methods

> > > of Sign-House Base result derivation, while dealing with House Base

> > > result derivation - causing confusion to the learner. I would

> > suggest

> > > that, in this context, the beginners should stick to the cleaner

> > and

> > > systematic approach proposed by Meenaraja, while trying to master

> > House

> > > Base result derivation technique. The deeper possibilities and

> > > modification to the suggested results should dealt with and

> > understood,

> > > while trying to learn Sign-House Base result derivation technique.

> > > The 5th house signifies things such as - children, intelligence,

> > > creativity, genius, stomach, belly, ministers, secret hymns

> > recited etc.

> > > Thus the placement of lagna lord in 5th generates special

> > importance to

> > > the derivations related to the same.

> > >

> > > Extract from:

> > >

> > Sreenadh

> > /La\

> > > gna%20lord%20in%20Various%20Houses.pdf

> > > ==============================================

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

dear learned members,

As i follow the thread on the above topic in relation

to anger if the lagna lord is in 5th bhave, I would

like to share my observations. my observations are not

from text books. I fail to understand as to why 5th

house can give rise to emotional imbalance( anger

being part of emotion). 5th will be more ideal of

progeny because it is 2nd from 4th ( ie addition to

the family). if lagna lord is a malefic it can destroy

the qualities of that bhava. It is like u allow a bad

relative into ur house, he can always destroy the good

atmosphere of the house. anger is more seen if the

lagna lord is in lagna in particular sun, mars. the

anger or the outburst will be due to the native being

a perfectionist and he expects the same from the rest.

In regds to progeny whether a male or female only the

male chart can tell whether he will get a male child

or female. Because the gender chromosome factor ie

XX(female) and XY(male) lies only in sperm of the

individual. I may be wrong, but i wud like learned

astrologers to correct me.

 

good wishes,

k.gopu

 

 

 

 

 

 

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You are very wrong in regards of only male chart would show sex of child.Study the rest of chart, i.e. other planets in 5th (mars + sun would show male; Venus - female; Moon, Ju+Me would show more than 1; Sa would limit how many). The same planets affect sex and number if they rule or, especially, directly aspect the 5th house and its planets.K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote: dear learned members, As i follow the thread on the above topic in relation to anger if the lagna lord is in 5th bhave, I would like to share my observations. my

observations are not from text books. I fail to understand as to why 5th house can give rise to emotional imbalance( anger being part of emotion). 5th will be more ideal of progeny because it is 2nd from 4th ( ie addition to the family). if lagna lord is a malefic it can destroy the qualities of that bhava. It is like u allow a bad relative into ur house, he can always destroy the good atmosphere of the house. anger is more seen if the lagna lord is in lagna in particular sun, mars. the anger or the outburst will be due to the native being a perfectionist and he expects the same from the rest. In regds to progeny whether a male or female only the male chart can tell whether he will get a male child or female. Because the gender chromosome factor ie XX(female) and XY(male) lies only in sperm of the individual. I may be wrong, but i wud like learned astrologers to correct me. good wishes,

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Namaste all J

Please excuse my ignorance in this matter as I haven’t

been studying Jyotish for very long (or rather haven’t had the time to

devote to it that I should because of illness)—but I DO have a question

concerning 5th House---and my son.

Although my LL (Sun) is not placed in 5th, I have JuR

and SaR conjunct and also aspected by a “benific”  (Vimshopaka

Bala) but Functional malefic Mercury in 11th (it’s own sign)

in 5th.  As with many things you all have been talking about—with

inauspicious results in regards to sons—I’m also reading that this

placement I have is also very inauspicious for sons.  I have miscarried 2 sons

(at 4 and 5 months) and I’m unsure if this is related, but almost 2 years

ago my fiancé died in a freak accident—I was supposed to adopt his 2 son’s

2 days later,…I haven’t seen them since.

I also have a 17year old son..who is my pride and joy.  (along

with 2 daughters—but, my son was born with the exact mutation of a

genetic disorder that I have—the doctors have NEVER seen this, so he’s

kind of like my little twin J ).  My son has done excellent all his

life—both physically and academically.   Despite also being diagnosed

with ADD, I began treating him with herbal and ayurvedic remedies many years

ago and he has excelled in many different areas.  Well, until very recently

that is.  Long story short is that I haven’t seen my son in over a year. 

His father basically kidnapped him and took him overseas.  His father is an

active alcoholic and drug addict and in the past 3-4 months my son has been

experimenting also—his dad does nothing about it, and I can’t do

anything except pray and talk to him when I can reach him.  He is a senior in

High School, but is taking several college courses because of his academic

excellence---right now, he’s barely passing.  He’s more interested

in his video games (which he rarely ever played before) and getting high than

studying.  He also used to have a VERY active yoga and meditation practice of

his own, has had mantra initiation and attended the Temple with me frequently

having VERY long talks with the Pandits and elders.  He no longer does his

practice.  I’m frightened of what might happen and after reading the

results of the combinations I have in my chart—together with my past

history.

What else should I be looking at in my chart, if anything?  Is

there anything specific I can look for in his chart---maybe something to give

me a little comfort?

 

In the meantime, I pray to the Divine Mother for his health and

safety and keep up with my own practice.  Until, and unless I can find a legal

loophole to bring him back or force his fathers hand…I really have no

direct control over the situation.  Of course, even if he was here, and has a

problem with addiction—it would be tough.  BUT, at least he’s still

a minor for the next 10 months and I could force *something*.

I look forward to any response,

Dhyanaavad,

elaine

 

In the Mothers Divine Love

Jai Ma!!

 

 

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On Behalf Of zhar bird

Friday, September 28, 2007 11:07 PM

 

Re: Re: Lagna lord in 5th House

 

 

 

 

 

 

You are very wrong in regards of only male chart would show sex of child.

Study the rest of chart, i.e. other planets in 5th (mars + sun would show male;

Venus - female; Moon, Ju+Me would show more than 1; Sa would limit how many).

The same planets affect sex and number if they rule or, especially, directly

aspect the 5th house and its planets.

 

K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote:

 

 

 

dear learned members,

As i follow the thread on the above topic in relation

to anger if the lagna lord is in 5th bhave, I would

like to share my observations. my observations are not

from text books. I fail to understand as to why 5th

house can give rise to emotional imbalance( anger

being part of emotion). 5th will be more ideal of

progeny because it is 2nd from 4th ( ie addition to

the family). if lagna lord is a malefic it can destroy

the qualities of that bhava. It is like u allow a bad

relative into ur house, he can always destroy the good

atmosphere of the house. anger is more seen if the

lagna lord is in lagna in particular sun, mars. the

anger or the outburst will be due to the native being

a perfectionist and he expects the same from the rest.

In regds to progeny whether a male or female only the

male chart can tell whether he will get a male child

or female. Because the gender chromosome factor ie

XX(female) and XY(male) lies only in sperm of the

individual. I may be wrong, but i wud like learned

astrologers to correct me.

 

good wishes,

k.gopu

 

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