Guest guest Report post Posted July 17, 2007 My humble views once again - There are two major important roles for marriage to play in the evolution of Man and mankind- 1) For Mankind to evolve - Procreation is required . 2) For Man(Human) to evolve- Note always that the 7th sign is always detrimental to the lord of the 1st sign. Opposites come to play. the strongest opposition will come to a man from the spouse itself, and so would the strongest love. But strongest love would come, only when the man is able to adjust with the opposite attributes, and win over those aand merge himself in both the qualities. For example Leo Lagna, will have to merge with the qualities of Aquarius lagna, Sun versus Saturn. That is the play of Maya, and has to be won. The person who wins in this game, gets a seat near the Gods. So marriage is an oppurtunity to continue the race (Gotra-Family name)as well as a stage for a person to evolve himself better, and prove that he can merge with the duality present in nature. If he is able to do this then he can conquer Maya, and one who conquers Maya, will achieve Lord Krishna, for Maya is the dasa of lord Krishna. regards, Bhaskar. , " Bharat - Hindu Astrology " <astrologyhindu wrote: > > Namaste Sri Chandrashekharji and Sri Venkatachalaji > > The role of marriage is to expand from the lower I thinking (egoistic, > individualistic and selfish thinking) to a slightly bigger I (wherein the > " I " encompasses both the person and his/her spouse). The identification with > another breaks the singular individuality into a slightly larger " duality " . > The purpose of a human life is to understand the whole as true " I " . Marriage > becomes a very important step in the same. I agree with Sri Venkatachalaji's > thinking that the marriage needs to " lived " successfully to be known so. It > is this that would serve the true purpose of a marriage. > > Perhaps, because of its killing of " individuality " nature, it is given the > same house as is the markesh. > > Just the desire to have a long marriage would not suffice for marriage if > one does not renounce one's likes and dislikes and follow what needs to be > done and what needs to be accepted OR does not perform actions supporting > one's desires. Maybe we can alter by saying - That the desire is there and > the understanding of the necessity of action and acceptance, wherever > required. > > I may be wrong too > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > On 7/18/07, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > Dear Venkatachala Pathi, > > > > I am younger than you and if my response pleases you it is my good > > fortune. I am yet a student of this divine science and hope to remain so > > till the end of my life. > > > > I have replied, in the way that I did, for a very specific reason. Your > > query was about how to look at marriage as understood by Vedic scholars > > with reference to the present day scenario, or words to that effect. And > > then though Kanyaa is given in Dana the Putra is not and both do get > > married. So I think the loss and gain part may not be universally > > applicable. > > > > Then how to relate this to the modern trend of live-in partners and same > > sex marriages? The last two of the variety of them can not begin a > > Kutumba at all. And then there are casual relationships that are based > > on income to one and loss to other. So I would not think that2nd, 11th > > and 7th need necessarily have to be involved in marriages in the modern > > reference. > > > > As you say, the marriage begins when they live together, no doubt about > > that. But then the question is whether we consider a marriage that > > breaks within a week or a day as a marriage or an affair? This is so > > because in modern days some may live for some days together purely on > > financial consideration and with no intention of getting married. > > > > That is why, I think the necessary element is the desire to spend life > > together has to be there at the time of marriage of living together, for > > that to be considered as a marriage. > > > > I think this definition is more appropriate as the jataka and Spouse are > > in 1 and 7 bhava and these two bhava cause a sort of merger or exchange > > of habits over a sufficiently long period spent together. So the husband > > gives up some of his dislikes and likes and accepts those of the wife > > and vice-a-versa. The lagna is the bhava of birth which is the state > > after death and the 7th is the Maraka sthana so equivalent of death, > > which leads to beginning of the process of birth. Or if the terminology > > is too harsh, lagna is the rise of Sun, that has to set at the 7th bhava > > and the 7th bhava is the setting of Sun that has to rise in the Lagna. > > So the bhavas have to merge and so do the parties to the marriage. > > > > So in the example provided by you, if the person did not have any > > intention to remain with his partner for life, I would not treat that as > > marriage, but an affair. Some astrologers prefer to look at affairs from > > A7 and spouse from UL. I think they are right. > > > > Of course these are my personal views and I could be wrong. > > > > Regards, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > venkatachala pathi wrote: > > > > > > Mr. Chandrasekarji, > > > Sir, > > > > > > This is a great day in my 78 years of age to have a message from a > > > great astrologer like you. > > > > > > Your reply is 'partially' correct. While in Vedic Astrology, the term > > > 'marriage' is the 'Union " of two people of opposite sex to be traced. > > > (now a days we also have to look into variety of 'unions' crept into > > > modern society - and, is it possible to find in Vedic Astrology of > > > these strange 'unions'?). this is referred to by one of us as 'Kannika > > > Dhan'. > > > > > > 'Dhan' itself is loss ( or moving away from ones ownership) to one and > > > gain to other. That is the reason along with 2nd house (Kudumba) + 7th > > > House (Partnership) and 11 house the house of gain is 'largely' > > > considered. But that DOES NOT COMPLETE THE MARRIAGE. > > > The 'marriage' is complete only when they 'live' together, 'unite' > > > together' and 'progress' together. So the ceremony of 'marriage' and > > > in any religion it is a formal declaration and not 'complete' in all > > > respects as quoted above. > > > > > > My request is if these three segments are necessary to 'complete' a > > > marriage, how you find these together to happen on the given time in a > > > horoscope, and what are the contributions by position, by portfolio, > > > and by inter relationship among Planets, Star Zone etc in combination > > > as reached in DP,BP,SP,ASP to arrive at it? > > > > > > This is because, one male involved in one segment of three listed > > > above and claimed that he is not married. I explained his period of > > > involvement and the troubles he will experience (which has been proved > > > beyond any iota of doubt) in last 1 year 2 months. His parent (unaware > > > of this) is planning for his marriage. In my parlance his 'marriage' > > > or 'marriages' are over (and one segment of said 'marriage' will have > > > to continue) and only the spouse could not be 'fixed', and the result > > > of the (2nd house portfolio) could not be fulfilled. > > > > > > So, I am greatly involved in further deductions to him, and look > > > forward to all in this forum to help me how further this could be > > > analyzed. (I think the details of horoscope is not necessary, as this > > > a 'generalized' analysis). I will take this thereon from your guide > > lines. > > > > > > Sorry to take your precious time, and your advise will be of great > > > help to all in this. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Pathi > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > Hindu Vedic Astrologer, > > > 103, Black Tie Lane, Chapal Hill, > > > NC 27514. > > > > > > Presently at Chennai India > > > Ph 044-23710500 > > > > > > > > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. > > > Visit the Auto Green Center. > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 17, 2007 Dear Bharat, I think Venkatachala asked, in the original thread, what constitutes marriage in astrology in the modern days. I do not remember he writing about how marriage should be lived, or if he did then that question should go to the Dharma shastra lists if any. Your point of the reason for 7th being marakesha and also bhava of spouse is an interesting interpretation. Chandrashekhar. Bharat - Hindu Astrology wrote: > > Namaste Sri Chandrashekharji and Sri Venkatachalaji > > The role of marriage is to expand from the lower I thinking (egoistic, > individualistic and selfish thinking) to a slightly bigger I (wherein the > " I " encompasses both the person and his/her spouse). The > identification with > another breaks the singular individuality into a slightly larger > " duality " . > The purpose of a human life is to understand the whole as true " I " . > Marriage > becomes a very important step in the same. I agree with Sri > Venkatachalaji's > thinking that the marriage needs to " lived " successfully to be known > so. It > is this that would serve the true purpose of a marriage. > > Perhaps, because of its killing of " individuality " nature, it is given the > same house as is the markesh. > > Just the desire to have a long marriage would not suffice for marriage if > one does not renounce one's likes and dislikes and follow what needs to be > done and what needs to be accepted OR does not perform actions supporting > one's desires. Maybe we can alter by saying - That the desire is there and > the understanding of the necessity of action and acceptance, wherever > required. > > I may be wrong too > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > On 7/18/07, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > Dear Venkatachala Pathi, > > > > I am younger than you and if my response pleases you it is my good > > fortune. I am yet a student of this divine science and hope to remain so > > till the end of my life. > > > > I have replied, in the way that I did, for a very specific reason. Your > > query was about how to look at marriage as understood by Vedic scholars > > with reference to the present day scenario, or words to that effect. And > > then though Kanyaa is given in Dana the Putra is not and both do get > > married. So I think the loss and gain part may not be universally > > applicable. > > > > Then how to relate this to the modern trend of live-in partners and same > > sex marriages? The last two of the variety of them can not begin a > > Kutumba at all. And then there are casual relationships that are based > > on income to one and loss to other. So I would not think that2nd, 11th > > and 7th need necessarily have to be involved in marriages in the modern > > reference. > > > > As you say, the marriage begins when they live together, no doubt about > > that. But then the question is whether we consider a marriage that > > breaks within a week or a day as a marriage or an affair? This is so > > because in modern days some may live for some days together purely on > > financial consideration and with no intention of getting married. > > > > That is why, I think the necessary element is the desire to spend life > > together has to be there at the time of marriage of living together, for > > that to be considered as a marriage. > > > > I think this definition is more appropriate as the jataka and Spouse are > > in 1 and 7 bhava and these two bhava cause a sort of merger or exchange > > of habits over a sufficiently long period spent together. So the husband > > gives up some of his dislikes and likes and accepts those of the wife > > and vice-a-versa. The lagna is the bhava of birth which is the state > > after death and the 7th is the Maraka sthana so equivalent of death, > > which leads to beginning of the process of birth. Or if the terminology > > is too harsh, lagna is the rise of Sun, that has to set at the 7th bhava > > and the 7th bhava is the setting of Sun that has to rise in the Lagna. > > So the bhavas have to merge and so do the parties to the marriage. > > > > So in the example provided by you, if the person did not have any > > intention to remain with his partner for life, I would not treat that as > > marriage, but an affair. Some astrologers prefer to look at affairs from > > A7 and spouse from UL. I think they are right. > > > > Of course these are my personal views and I could be wrong. > > > > Regards, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > venkatachala pathi wrote: > > > > > > Mr. Chandrasekarji, > > > Sir, > > > > > > This is a great day in my 78 years of age to have a message from a > > > great astrologer like you. > > > > > > Your reply is 'partially' correct. While in Vedic Astrology, the term > > > 'marriage' is the 'Union " of two people of opposite sex to be traced. > > > (now a days we also have to look into variety of 'unions' crept into > > > modern society - and, is it possible to find in Vedic Astrology of > > > these strange 'unions'?). this is referred to by one of us as 'Kannika > > > Dhan'. > > > > > > 'Dhan' itself is loss ( or moving away from ones ownership) to one and > > > gain to other. That is the reason along with 2nd house (Kudumba) + 7th > > > House (Partnership) and 11 house the house of gain is 'largely' > > > considered. But that DOES NOT COMPLETE THE MARRIAGE. > > > The 'marriage' is complete only when they 'live' together, 'unite' > > > together' and 'progress' together. So the ceremony of 'marriage' and > > > in any religion it is a formal declaration and not 'complete' in all > > > respects as quoted above. > > > > > > My request is if these three segments are necessary to 'complete' a > > > marriage, how you find these together to happen on the given time in a > > > horoscope, and what are the contributions by position, by portfolio, > > > and by inter relationship among Planets, Star Zone etc in combination > > > as reached in DP,BP,SP,ASP to arrive at it? > > > > > > This is because, one male involved in one segment of three listed > > > above and claimed that he is not married. I explained his period of > > > involvement and the troubles he will experience (which has been proved > > > beyond any iota of doubt) in last 1 year 2 months. His parent (unaware > > > of this) is planning for his marriage. In my parlance his 'marriage' > > > or 'marriages' are over (and one segment of said 'marriage' will have > > > to continue) and only the spouse could not be 'fixed', and the result > > > of the (2nd house portfolio) could not be fulfilled. > > > > > > So, I am greatly involved in further deductions to him, and look > > > forward to all in this forum to help me how further this could be > > > analyzed. (I think the details of horoscope is not necessary, as this > > > a 'generalized' analysis). I will take this thereon from your guide > > lines. > > > > > > Sorry to take your precious time, and your advise will be of great > > > help to all in this. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Pathi > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > Hindu Vedic Astrologer, > > > 103, Black Tie Lane, Chapal Hill, > > > NC 27514. > > > > > > Presently at Chennai India > > > Ph 044-23710500 > > > > > > > > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. > > > Visit the Auto Green Center. > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 18, 2007 Namaste Sri Chandrashekharji True, I misread his email. 7th house interpretation bugged me for a long time : Why would Rishis call the house of marriage also as the house of markesh. One day this came as a thought to me, which made sense. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 7/18/07, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Bharat, > > I think Venkatachala asked, in the original thread, what constitutes > marriage in astrology in the modern days. I do not remember he writing > about how marriage should be lived, or if he did then that question > should go to the Dharma shastra lists if any. > > Your point of the reason for 7th being marakesha and also bhava of > spouse is an interesting interpretation. > > Chandrashekhar. > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology wrote: > > > > Namaste Sri Chandrashekharji and Sri Venkatachalaji > > > > The role of marriage is to expand from the lower I thinking (egoistic, > > individualistic and selfish thinking) to a slightly bigger I (wherein > the > > " I " encompasses both the person and his/her spouse). The > > identification with > > another breaks the singular individuality into a slightly larger > > " duality " . > > The purpose of a human life is to understand the whole as true " I " . > > Marriage > > becomes a very important step in the same. I agree with Sri > > Venkatachalaji's > > thinking that the marriage needs to " lived " successfully to be known > > so. It > > is this that would serve the true purpose of a marriage. > > > > Perhaps, because of its killing of " individuality " nature, it is given > the > > same house as is the markesh. > > > > Just the desire to have a long marriage would not suffice for marriage > if > > one does not renounce one's likes and dislikes and follow what needs to > be > > done and what needs to be accepted OR does not perform actions > supporting > > one's desires. Maybe we can alter by saying - That the desire is there > and > > the understanding of the necessity of action and acceptance, wherever > > required. > > > > I may be wrong too > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Bharat > > > > On 7/18/07, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46<chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk> > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Venkatachala Pathi, > > > > > > I am younger than you and if my response pleases you it is my good > > > fortune. I am yet a student of this divine science and hope to remain > so > > > till the end of my life. > > > > > > I have replied, in the way that I did, for a very specific reason. > Your > > > query was about how to look at marriage as understood by Vedic > scholars > > > with reference to the present day scenario, or words to that effect. > And > > > then though Kanyaa is given in Dana the Putra is not and both do get > > > married. So I think the loss and gain part may not be universally > > > applicable. > > > > > > Then how to relate this to the modern trend of live-in partners and > same > > > sex marriages? The last two of the variety of them can not begin a > > > Kutumba at all. And then there are casual relationships that are based > > > on income to one and loss to other. So I would not think that2nd, 11th > > > and 7th need necessarily have to be involved in marriages in the > modern > > > reference. > > > > > > As you say, the marriage begins when they live together, no doubt > about > > > that. But then the question is whether we consider a marriage that > > > breaks within a week or a day as a marriage or an affair? This is so > > > because in modern days some may live for some days together purely on > > > financial consideration and with no intention of getting married. > > > > > > That is why, I think the necessary element is the desire to spend life > > > together has to be there at the time of marriage of living together, > for > > > that to be considered as a marriage. > > > > > > I think this definition is more appropriate as the jataka and Spouse > are > > > in 1 and 7 bhava and these two bhava cause a sort of merger or > exchange > > > of habits over a sufficiently long period spent together. So the > husband > > > gives up some of his dislikes and likes and accepts those of the wife > > > and vice-a-versa. The lagna is the bhava of birth which is the state > > > after death and the 7th is the Maraka sthana so equivalent of death, > > > which leads to beginning of the process of birth. Or if the > terminology > > > is too harsh, lagna is the rise of Sun, that has to set at the 7th > bhava > > > and the 7th bhava is the setting of Sun that has to rise in the Lagna. > > > So the bhavas have to merge and so do the parties to the marriage. > > > > > > So in the example provided by you, if the person did not have any > > > intention to remain with his partner for life, I would not treat that > as > > > marriage, but an affair. Some astrologers prefer to look at affairs > from > > > A7 and spouse from UL. I think they are right. > > > > > > Of course these are my personal views and I could be wrong. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > venkatachala pathi wrote: > > > > > > > > Mr. Chandrasekarji, > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > This is a great day in my 78 years of age to have a message from a > > > > great astrologer like you. > > > > > > > > Your reply is 'partially' correct. While in Vedic Astrology, the > term > > > > 'marriage' is the 'Union " of two people of opposite sex to be > traced. > > > > (now a days we also have to look into variety of 'unions' crept into > > > > modern society - and, is it possible to find in Vedic Astrology of > > > > these strange 'unions'?). this is referred to by one of us as > 'Kannika > > > > Dhan'. > > > > > > > > 'Dhan' itself is loss ( or moving away from ones ownership) to one > and > > > > gain to other. That is the reason along with 2nd house (Kudumba) + > 7th > > > > House (Partnership) and 11 house the house of gain is 'largely' > > > > considered. But that DOES NOT COMPLETE THE MARRIAGE. > > > > The 'marriage' is complete only when they 'live' together, 'unite' > > > > together' and 'progress' together. So the ceremony of 'marriage' and > > > > in any religion it is a formal declaration and not 'complete' in all > > > > respects as quoted above. > > > > > > > > My request is if these three segments are necessary to 'complete' a > > > > marriage, how you find these together to happen on the given time in > a > > > > horoscope, and what are the contributions by position, by portfolio, > > > > and by inter relationship among Planets, Star Zone etc in > combination > > > > as reached in DP,BP,SP,ASP to arrive at it? > > > > > > > > This is because, one male involved in one segment of three listed > > > > above and claimed that he is not married. I explained his period of > > > > involvement and the troubles he will experience (which has been > proved > > > > beyond any iota of doubt) in last 1 year 2 months. His parent > (unaware > > > > of this) is planning for his marriage. In my parlance his 'marriage' > > > > or 'marriages' are over (and one segment of said 'marriage' will > have > > > > to continue) and only the spouse could not be 'fixed', and the > result > > > > of the (2nd house portfolio) could not be fulfilled. > > > > > > > > So, I am greatly involved in further deductions to him, and look > > > > forward to all in this forum to help me how further this could be > > > > analyzed. (I think the details of horoscope is not necessary, as > this > > > > a 'generalized' analysis). I will take this thereon from your guide > > > lines. > > > > > > > > Sorry to take your precious time, and your advise will be of great > > > > help to all in this. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Pathi > > > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > Hindu Vedic Astrologer, > > > > 103, Black Tie Lane, Chapal Hill, > > > > NC 27514. > > > > > > > > Presently at Chennai India > > > > Ph 044-23710500 > > > > > > > > > > > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative > vehicles. > > > > Visit the Auto Green Center. > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 18, 2007 The 7th house to any house means the other person, or gain for other person or the opposites. Like 6th house is gain for us in competetions or exams , and 12th is loss to us, while the others gain. The 8th house would be Death of a person, and the 2nd, an addition of a family member,3rd for short journeys, the 9th for Long journeys, 4tth for home and 10th for business place, 5th for time spent in spiritualism (Inner)and 11th for time spent in friendship (Outer), The 7th would prove to be Marakesh in 2 ways. 1) When the individual is able to submerge himself totally to the contrary attributes and characteristics of the opposite sugn, which bears all the opposite qualities, of which this individual posseses. I know one such person, who is a living example of this principle. He keeps his wife happy, without loosing his own self respect and individuality,and eats whatever is offered to him, whether delicious or not, without a murmur and does not demand anything from his side. This is a small instance among the thousands he compromises or adjusts relatively compared to the others like us. For us it would be a compromise, but for him its normal, he does so happily. here he has been able to converge and mis like sugar with honey. The 7th wouldnow prove a markesh in breaking his individuality and evoluting him to a much higher scale than most of us, a true purpose of marriage. How to blend in this world of duality. 2) For others it would be a normal markesh in the worldly sense. Life spent in opposing, non compromise, demands, conflicts, brawls, arguments, emotional drama, frutrations, unfulfilled desires etc. which would occupy the top position , in the mind of native, make his life sufferable, and finally land him to disease and death, when his alloted breaths are over. regards, Bhaskar. , " Bharat - Hindu Astrology " <astrologyhindu wrote: > > Namaste Sri Chandrashekharji > > True, I misread his email. > > 7th house interpretation bugged me for a long time : Why would Rishis > call the house of marriage also as the house of markesh. One day this came > as a thought to me, which made sense. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > > On 7/18/07, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > I think Venkatachala asked, in the original thread, what constitutes > > marriage in astrology in the modern days. I do not remember he writing > > about how marriage should be lived, or if he did then that question > > should go to the Dharma shastra lists if any. > > > > Your point of the reason for 7th being marakesha and also bhava of > > spouse is an interesting interpretation. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Sri Chandrashekharji and Sri Venkatachalaji > > > > > > The role of marriage is to expand from the lower I thinking (egoistic, > > > individualistic and selfish thinking) to a slightly bigger I (wherein > > the > > > " I " encompasses both the person and his/her spouse). The > > > identification with > > > another breaks the singular individuality into a slightly larger > > > " duality " . > > > The purpose of a human life is to understand the whole as true " I " . > > > Marriage > > > becomes a very important step in the same. I agree with Sri > > > Venkatachalaji's > > > thinking that the marriage needs to " lived " successfully to be known > > > so. It > > > is this that would serve the true purpose of a marriage. > > > > > > Perhaps, because of its killing of " individuality " nature, it is given > > the > > > same house as is the markesh. > > > > > > Just the desire to have a long marriage would not suffice for marriage > > if > > > one does not renounce one's likes and dislikes and follow what needs to > > be > > > done and what needs to be accepted OR does not perform actions > > supporting > > > one's desires. Maybe we can alter by saying - That the desire is there > > and > > > the understanding of the necessity of action and acceptance, wherever > > > required. > > > > > > I may be wrong too > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > Bharat > > > > > > On 7/18/07, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46<chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk> > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Venkatachala Pathi, > > > > > > > > I am younger than you and if my response pleases you it is my good > > > > fortune. I am yet a student of this divine science and hope to remain > > so > > > > till the end of my life. > > > > > > > > I have replied, in the way that I did, for a very specific reason. > > Your > > > > query was about how to look at marriage as understood by Vedic > > scholars > > > > with reference to the present day scenario, or words to that effect. > > And > > > > then though Kanyaa is given in Dana the Putra is not and both do get > > > > married. So I think the loss and gain part may not be universally > > > > applicable. > > > > > > > > Then how to relate this to the modern trend of live-in partners and > > same > > > > sex marriages? The last two of the variety of them can not begin a > > > > Kutumba at all. And then there are casual relationships that are based > > > > on income to one and loss to other. So I would not think that2nd, 11th > > > > and 7th need necessarily have to be involved in marriages in the > > modern > > > > reference. > > > > > > > > As you say, the marriage begins when they live together, no doubt > > about > > > > that. But then the question is whether we consider a marriage that > > > > breaks within a week or a day as a marriage or an affair? This is so > > > > because in modern days some may live for some days together purely on > > > > financial consideration and with no intention of getting married. > > > > > > > > That is why, I think the necessary element is the desire to spend life > > > > together has to be there at the time of marriage of living together, > > for > > > > that to be considered as a marriage. > > > > > > > > I think this definition is more appropriate as the jataka and Spouse > > are > > > > in 1 and 7 bhava and these two bhava cause a sort of merger or > > exchange > > > > of habits over a sufficiently long period spent together. So the > > husband > > > > gives up some of his dislikes and likes and accepts those of the wife > > > > and vice-a-versa. The lagna is the bhava of birth which is the state > > > > after death and the 7th is the Maraka sthana so equivalent of death, > > > > which leads to beginning of the process of birth. Or if the > > terminology > > > > is too harsh, lagna is the rise of Sun, that has to set at the 7th > > bhava > > > > and the 7th bhava is the setting of Sun that has to rise in the Lagna. > > > > So the bhavas have to merge and so do the parties to the marriage. > > > > > > > > So in the example provided by you, if the person did not have any > > > > intention to remain with his partner for life, I would not treat that > > as > > > > marriage, but an affair. Some astrologers prefer to look at affairs > > from > > > > A7 and spouse from UL. I think they are right. > > > > > > > > Of course these are my personal views and I could be wrong. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > venkatachala pathi wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Mr. Chandrasekarji, > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > This is a great day in my 78 years of age to have a message from a > > > > > great astrologer like you. > > > > > > > > > > Your reply is 'partially' correct. While in Vedic Astrology, the > > term > > > > > 'marriage' is the 'Union " of two people of opposite sex to be > > traced. > > > > > (now a days we also have to look into variety of 'unions' crept into > > > > > modern society - and, is it possible to find in Vedic Astrology of > > > > > these strange 'unions'?). this is referred to by one of us as > > 'Kannika > > > > > Dhan'. > > > > > > > > > > 'Dhan' itself is loss ( or moving away from ones ownership) to one > > and > > > > > gain to other. That is the reason along with 2nd house (Kudumba) + > > 7th > > > > > House (Partnership) and 11 house the house of gain is 'largely' > > > > > considered. But that DOES NOT COMPLETE THE MARRIAGE. > > > > > The 'marriage' is complete only when they 'live' together, 'unite' > > > > > together' and 'progress' together. So the ceremony of 'marriage' and > > > > > in any religion it is a formal declaration and not 'complete' in all > > > > > respects as quoted above. > > > > > > > > > > My request is if these three segments are necessary to 'complete' a > > > > > marriage, how you find these together to happen on the given time in > > a > > > > > horoscope, and what are the contributions by position, by portfolio, > > > > > and by inter relationship among Planets, Star Zone etc in > > combination > > > > > as reached in DP,BP,SP,ASP to arrive at it? > > > > > > > > > > This is because, one male involved in one segment of three listed > > > > > above and claimed that he is not married. I explained his period of > > > > > involvement and the troubles he will experience (which has been > > proved > > > > > beyond any iota of doubt) in last 1 year 2 months. His parent > > (unaware > > > > > of this) is planning for his marriage. In my parlance his 'marriage' > > > > > or 'marriages' are over (and one segment of said 'marriage' will > > have > > > > > to continue) and only the spouse could not be 'fixed', and the > > result > > > > > of the (2nd house portfolio) could not be fulfilled. > > > > > > > > > > So, I am greatly involved in further deductions to him, and look > > > > > forward to all in this forum to help me how further this could be > > > > > analyzed. (I think the details of horoscope is not necessary, as > > this > > > > > a 'generalized' analysis). I will take this thereon from your guide > > > > lines. > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to take your precious time, and your advise will be of great > > > > > help to all in this. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pathi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > > Hindu Vedic Astrologer, > > > > > 103, Black Tie Lane, Chapal Hill, > > > > > NC 27514. > > > > > > > > > > Presently at Chennai India > > > > > Ph 044-23710500 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative > > vehicles. > > > > > Visit the Auto Green Center. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 18, 2007 Dear Bharat, You may also like to think about the fact that in rasi dashas, the stronger between the Lagna and the 7th bhava is considered to give the first dasha. So they do represent each other as do two partners in marriage. regards, Chandrashekhar. Bharat - Hindu Astrology wrote: > > Namaste Sri Chandrashekharji > > True, I misread his email. > > 7th house interpretation bugged me for a long time : Why would Rishis > call the house of marriage also as the house of markesh. One day this came > as a thought to me, which made sense. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > On 7/18/07, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > I think Venkatachala asked, in the original thread, what constitutes > > marriage in astrology in the modern days. I do not remember he writing > > about how marriage should be lived, or if he did then that question > > should go to the Dharma shastra lists if any. > > > > Your point of the reason for 7th being marakesha and also bhava of > > spouse is an interesting interpretation. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Sri Chandrashekharji and Sri Venkatachalaji > > > > > > The role of marriage is to expand from the lower I thinking (egoistic, > > > individualistic and selfish thinking) to a slightly bigger I (wherein > > the > > > " I " encompasses both the person and his/her spouse). The > > > identification with > > > another breaks the singular individuality into a slightly larger > > > " duality " . > > > The purpose of a human life is to understand the whole as true " I " . > > > Marriage > > > becomes a very important step in the same. I agree with Sri > > > Venkatachalaji's > > > thinking that the marriage needs to " lived " successfully to be known > > > so. It > > > is this that would serve the true purpose of a marriage. > > > > > > Perhaps, because of its killing of " individuality " nature, it is given > > the > > > same house as is the markesh. > > > > > > Just the desire to have a long marriage would not suffice for marriage > > if > > > one does not renounce one's likes and dislikes and follow what > needs to > > be > > > done and what needs to be accepted OR does not perform actions > > supporting > > > one's desires. Maybe we can alter by saying - That the desire is there > > and > > > the understanding of the necessity of action and acceptance, wherever > > > required. > > > > > > I may be wrong too > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > Bharat > > > > > > On 7/18/07, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk><chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk> > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Venkatachala Pathi, > > > > > > > > I am younger than you and if my response pleases you it is my good > > > > fortune. I am yet a student of this divine science and hope to > remain > > so > > > > till the end of my life. > > > > > > > > I have replied, in the way that I did, for a very specific reason. > > Your > > > > query was about how to look at marriage as understood by Vedic > > scholars > > > > with reference to the present day scenario, or words to that effect. > > And > > > > then though Kanyaa is given in Dana the Putra is not and both do get > > > > married. So I think the loss and gain part may not be universally > > > > applicable. > > > > > > > > Then how to relate this to the modern trend of live-in partners and > > same > > > > sex marriages? The last two of the variety of them can not begin a > > > > Kutumba at all. And then there are casual relationships that are > based > > > > on income to one and loss to other. So I would not think > that2nd, 11th > > > > and 7th need necessarily have to be involved in marriages in the > > modern > > > > reference. > > > > > > > > As you say, the marriage begins when they live together, no doubt > > about > > > > that. But then the question is whether we consider a marriage that > > > > breaks within a week or a day as a marriage or an affair? This is so > > > > because in modern days some may live for some days together > purely on > > > > financial consideration and with no intention of getting married. > > > > > > > > That is why, I think the necessary element is the desire to > spend life > > > > together has to be there at the time of marriage of living together, > > for > > > > that to be considered as a marriage. > > > > > > > > I think this definition is more appropriate as the jataka and Spouse > > are > > > > in 1 and 7 bhava and these two bhava cause a sort of merger or > > exchange > > > > of habits over a sufficiently long period spent together. So the > > husband > > > > gives up some of his dislikes and likes and accepts those of the > wife > > > > and vice-a-versa. The lagna is the bhava of birth which is the state > > > > after death and the 7th is the Maraka sthana so equivalent of death, > > > > which leads to beginning of the process of birth. Or if the > > terminology > > > > is too harsh, lagna is the rise of Sun, that has to set at the 7th > > bhava > > > > and the 7th bhava is the setting of Sun that has to rise in the > Lagna. > > > > So the bhavas have to merge and so do the parties to the marriage. > > > > > > > > So in the example provided by you, if the person did not have any > > > > intention to remain with his partner for life, I would not treat > that > > as > > > > marriage, but an affair. Some astrologers prefer to look at affairs > > from > > > > A7 and spouse from UL. I think they are right. > > > > > > > > Of course these are my personal views and I could be wrong. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > venkatachala pathi wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Mr. Chandrasekarji, > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > This is a great day in my 78 years of age to have a message from a > > > > > great astrologer like you. > > > > > > > > > > Your reply is 'partially' correct. While in Vedic Astrology, the > > term > > > > > 'marriage' is the 'Union " of two people of opposite sex to be > > traced. > > > > > (now a days we also have to look into variety of 'unions' > crept into > > > > > modern society - and, is it possible to find in Vedic Astrology of > > > > > these strange 'unions'?). this is referred to by one of us as > > 'Kannika > > > > > Dhan'. > > > > > > > > > > 'Dhan' itself is loss ( or moving away from ones ownership) to one > > and > > > > > gain to other. That is the reason along with 2nd house (Kudumba) + > > 7th > > > > > House (Partnership) and 11 house the house of gain is 'largely' > > > > > considered. But that DOES NOT COMPLETE THE MARRIAGE. > > > > > The 'marriage' is complete only when they 'live' together, 'unite' > > > > > together' and 'progress' together. So the ceremony of > 'marriage' and > > > > > in any religion it is a formal declaration and not 'complete' > in all > > > > > respects as quoted above. > > > > > > > > > > My request is if these three segments are necessary to > 'complete' a > > > > > marriage, how you find these together to happen on the given > time in > > a > > > > > horoscope, and what are the contributions by position, by > portfolio, > > > > > and by inter relationship among Planets, Star Zone etc in > > combination > > > > > as reached in DP,BP,SP,ASP to arrive at it? > > > > > > > > > > This is because, one male involved in one segment of three listed > > > > > above and claimed that he is not married. I explained his > period of > > > > > involvement and the troubles he will experience (which has been > > proved > > > > > beyond any iota of doubt) in last 1 year 2 months. His parent > > (unaware > > > > > of this) is planning for his marriage. In my parlance his > 'marriage' > > > > > or 'marriages' are over (and one segment of said 'marriage' will > > have > > > > > to continue) and only the spouse could not be 'fixed', and the > > result > > > > > of the (2nd house portfolio) could not be fulfilled. > > > > > > > > > > So, I am greatly involved in further deductions to him, and look > > > > > forward to all in this forum to help me how further this could be > > > > > analyzed. (I think the details of horoscope is not necessary, as > > this > > > > > a 'generalized' analysis). I will take this thereon from your > guide > > > > lines. > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to take your precious time, and your advise will be of great > > > > > help to all in this. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pathi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > > Hindu Vedic Astrologer, > > > > > 103, Black Tie Lane, Chapal Hill, > > > > > NC 27514. > > > > > > > > > > Presently at Chennai India > > > > > Ph 044-23710500 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative > > vehicles. > > > > > Visit the Auto Green Center. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 18, 2007 Namaste Sri Chandrashekharji Can you please expand upon it and give me a deeper understanding? Thanks and Regards Bharat On 7/18/07, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Bharat, > > You may also like to think about the fact that in rasi dashas, the > stronger between the Lagna and the 7th bhava is considered to give the > first dasha. So they do represent each other as do two partners in > marriage. > > regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology wrote: > > > > Namaste Sri Chandrashekharji > > > > True, I misread his email. > > > > 7th house interpretation bugged me for a long time : Why would Rishis > > call the house of marriage also as the house of markesh. One day this > came > > as a thought to me, which made sense. > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Bharat > > > > On 7/18/07, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46<chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk> > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > > > I think Venkatachala asked, in the original thread, what constitutes > > > marriage in astrology in the modern days. I do not remember he writing > > > about how marriage should be lived, or if he did then that question > > > should go to the Dharma shastra lists if any. > > > > > > Your point of the reason for 7th being marakesha and also bhava of > > > spouse is an interesting interpretation. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri Chandrashekharji and Sri Venkatachalaji > > > > > > > > The role of marriage is to expand from the lower I thinking > (egoistic, > > > > individualistic and selfish thinking) to a slightly bigger I > (wherein > > > the > > > > " I " encompasses both the person and his/her spouse). The > > > > identification with > > > > another breaks the singular individuality into a slightly larger > > > > " duality " . > > > > The purpose of a human life is to understand the whole as true " I " . > > > > Marriage > > > > becomes a very important step in the same. I agree with Sri > > > > Venkatachalaji's > > > > thinking that the marriage needs to " lived " successfully to be known > > > > so. It > > > > is this that would serve the true purpose of a marriage. > > > > > > > > Perhaps, because of its killing of " individuality " nature, it is > given > > > the > > > > same house as is the markesh. > > > > > > > > Just the desire to have a long marriage would not suffice for > marriage > > > if > > > > one does not renounce one's likes and dislikes and follow what > > needs to > > > be > > > > done and what needs to be accepted OR does not perform actions > > > supporting > > > > one's desires. Maybe we can alter by saying - That the desire is > there > > > and > > > > the understanding of the necessity of action and acceptance, > wherever > > > > required. > > > > > > > > I may be wrong too > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > On 7/18/07, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46<chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk> > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk><chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk> > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Venkatachala Pathi, > > > > > > > > > > I am younger than you and if my response pleases you it is my good > > > > > fortune. I am yet a student of this divine science and hope to > > remain > > > so > > > > > till the end of my life. > > > > > > > > > > I have replied, in the way that I did, for a very specific reason. > > > Your > > > > > query was about how to look at marriage as understood by Vedic > > > scholars > > > > > with reference to the present day scenario, or words to that > effect. > > > And > > > > > then though Kanyaa is given in Dana the Putra is not and both do > get > > > > > married. So I think the loss and gain part may not be universally > > > > > applicable. > > > > > > > > > > Then how to relate this to the modern trend of live-in partners > and > > > same > > > > > sex marriages? The last two of the variety of them can not begin a > > > > > Kutumba at all. And then there are casual relationships that are > > based > > > > > on income to one and loss to other. So I would not think > > that2nd, 11th > > > > > and 7th need necessarily have to be involved in marriages in the > > > modern > > > > > reference. > > > > > > > > > > As you say, the marriage begins when they live together, no doubt > > > about > > > > > that. But then the question is whether we consider a marriage that > > > > > breaks within a week or a day as a marriage or an affair? This is > so > > > > > because in modern days some may live for some days together > > purely on > > > > > financial consideration and with no intention of getting married. > > > > > > > > > > That is why, I think the necessary element is the desire to > > spend life > > > > > together has to be there at the time of marriage of living > together, > > > for > > > > > that to be considered as a marriage. > > > > > > > > > > I think this definition is more appropriate as the jataka and > Spouse > > > are > > > > > in 1 and 7 bhava and these two bhava cause a sort of merger or > > > exchange > > > > > of habits over a sufficiently long period spent together. So the > > > husband > > > > > gives up some of his dislikes and likes and accepts those of the > > wife > > > > > and vice-a-versa. The lagna is the bhava of birth which is the > state > > > > > after death and the 7th is the Maraka sthana so equivalent of > death, > > > > > which leads to beginning of the process of birth. Or if the > > > terminology > > > > > is too harsh, lagna is the rise of Sun, that has to set at the 7th > > > bhava > > > > > and the 7th bhava is the setting of Sun that has to rise in the > > Lagna. > > > > > So the bhavas have to merge and so do the parties to the marriage. > > > > > > > > > > So in the example provided by you, if the person did not have any > > > > > intention to remain with his partner for life, I would not treat > > that > > > as > > > > > marriage, but an affair. Some astrologers prefer to look at > affairs > > > from > > > > > A7 and spouse from UL. I think they are right. > > > > > > > > > > Of course these are my personal views and I could be wrong. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > venkatachala pathi wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr. Chandrasekarji, > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a great day in my 78 years of age to have a message from > a > > > > > > great astrologer like you. > > > > > > > > > > > > Your reply is 'partially' correct. While in Vedic Astrology, the > > > term > > > > > > 'marriage' is the 'Union " of two people of opposite sex to be > > > traced. > > > > > > (now a days we also have to look into variety of 'unions' > > crept into > > > > > > modern society - and, is it possible to find in Vedic Astrology > of > > > > > > these strange 'unions'?). this is referred to by one of us as > > > 'Kannika > > > > > > Dhan'. > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Dhan' itself is loss ( or moving away from ones ownership) to > one > > > and > > > > > > gain to other. That is the reason along with 2nd house (Kudumba) > + > > > 7th > > > > > > House (Partnership) and 11 house the house of gain is 'largely' > > > > > > considered. But that DOES NOT COMPLETE THE MARRIAGE. > > > > > > The 'marriage' is complete only when they 'live' together, > 'unite' > > > > > > together' and 'progress' together. So the ceremony of > > 'marriage' and > > > > > > in any religion it is a formal declaration and not 'complete' > > in all > > > > > > respects as quoted above. > > > > > > > > > > > > My request is if these three segments are necessary to > > 'complete' a > > > > > > marriage, how you find these together to happen on the given > > time in > > > a > > > > > > horoscope, and what are the contributions by position, by > > portfolio, > > > > > > and by inter relationship among Planets, Star Zone etc in > > > combination > > > > > > as reached in DP,BP,SP,ASP to arrive at it? > > > > > > > > > > > > This is because, one male involved in one segment of three > listed > > > > > > above and claimed that he is not married. I explained his > > period of > > > > > > involvement and the troubles he will experience (which has been > > > proved > > > > > > beyond any iota of doubt) in last 1 year 2 months. His parent > > > (unaware > > > > > > of this) is planning for his marriage. In my parlance his > > 'marriage' > > > > > > or 'marriages' are over (and one segment of said 'marriage' will > > > have > > > > > > to continue) and only the spouse could not be 'fixed', and the > > > result > > > > > > of the (2nd house portfolio) could not be fulfilled. > > > > > > > > > > > > So, I am greatly involved in further deductions to him, and look > > > > > > forward to all in this forum to help me how further this could > be > > > > > > analyzed. (I think the details of horoscope is not necessary, as > > > this > > > > > > a 'generalized' analysis). I will take this thereon from your > > guide > > > > > lines. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to take your precious time, and your advise will be of > great > > > > > > help to all in this. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pathi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > > > Hindu Vedic Astrologer, > > > > > > 103, Black Tie Lane, Chapal Hill, > > > > > > NC 27514. > > > > > > > > > > > > Presently at Chennai India > > > > > > Ph 044-23710500 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative > > > vehicles. > > > > > > Visit the Auto Green Center. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 19, 2007 Dear Bharat, There is no authority which has explained why this is so. However as you asked me to throw some light on this, I shall give my opinion on why this is so. Marriage in true hindu sense is when two individual not only marry but get transformed into each other's image. That is why lagna and 7th bhava are opposite each other and though opposing they are complimentary. So after marriage the groom gives up some of his likes and dislikes and so does the bride. They also accept each other's traits. That is when they merge. Once the merger takes place the marriage is complete in real sense. We see that occupants of both the bhavas aspect each other by full 7th house aspect and thus are capable of mutual influence. having merged, it becomes necessary to find the initiation of rasi dasha by finding out which is the stronger of the two bhavas as both become material but the one that has changed the least will be the guiding light for events to unfold in future. These are my personal views on the subject and others could view it in a different manner. Take care, Chandrashekhar. Bharat - Hindu Astrology wrote: > > Namaste Sri Chandrashekharji > > Can you please expand upon it and give me a deeper understanding? > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > On 7/18/07, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > You may also like to think about the fact that in rasi dashas, the > > stronger between the Lagna and the 7th bhava is considered to give the > > first dasha. So they do represent each other as do two partners in > > marriage. > > > > regards, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Sri Chandrashekharji > > > > > > True, I misread his email. > > > > > > 7th house interpretation bugged me for a long time : Why would Rishis > > > call the house of marriage also as the house of markesh. One day this > > came > > > as a thought to me, which made sense. > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > Bharat > > > > > > On 7/18/07, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk><chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk> > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > > > > > I think Venkatachala asked, in the original thread, what constitutes > > > > marriage in astrology in the modern days. I do not remember he > writing > > > > about how marriage should be lived, or if he did then that question > > > > should go to the Dharma shastra lists if any. > > > > > > > > Your point of the reason for 7th being marakesha and also bhava of > > > > spouse is an interesting interpretation. > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri Chandrashekharji and Sri Venkatachalaji > > > > > > > > > > The role of marriage is to expand from the lower I thinking > > (egoistic, > > > > > individualistic and selfish thinking) to a slightly bigger I > > (wherein > > > > the > > > > > " I " encompasses both the person and his/her spouse). The > > > > > identification with > > > > > another breaks the singular individuality into a slightly larger > > > > > " duality " . > > > > > The purpose of a human life is to understand the whole as true > " I " . > > > > > Marriage > > > > > becomes a very important step in the same. I agree with Sri > > > > > Venkatachalaji's > > > > > thinking that the marriage needs to " lived " successfully to be > known > > > > > so. It > > > > > is this that would serve the true purpose of a marriage. > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps, because of its killing of " individuality " nature, it is > > given > > > > the > > > > > same house as is the markesh. > > > > > > > > > > Just the desire to have a long marriage would not suffice for > > marriage > > > > if > > > > > one does not renounce one's likes and dislikes and follow what > > > needs to > > > > be > > > > > done and what needs to be accepted OR does not perform actions > > > > supporting > > > > > one's desires. Maybe we can alter by saying - That the desire is > > there > > > > and > > > > > the understanding of the necessity of action and acceptance, > > wherever > > > > > required. > > > > > > > > > > I may be wrong too > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > On 7/18/07, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk><chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk> > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk><chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk> > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Venkatachala Pathi, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am younger than you and if my response pleases you it is > my good > > > > > > fortune. I am yet a student of this divine science and hope to > > > remain > > > > so > > > > > > till the end of my life. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have replied, in the way that I did, for a very specific > reason. > > > > Your > > > > > > query was about how to look at marriage as understood by Vedic > > > > scholars > > > > > > with reference to the present day scenario, or words to that > > effect. > > > > And > > > > > > then though Kanyaa is given in Dana the Putra is not and both do > > get > > > > > > married. So I think the loss and gain part may not be > universally > > > > > > applicable. > > > > > > > > > > > > Then how to relate this to the modern trend of live-in partners > > and > > > > same > > > > > > sex marriages? The last two of the variety of them can not > begin a > > > > > > Kutumba at all. And then there are casual relationships that are > > > based > > > > > > on income to one and loss to other. So I would not think > > > that2nd, 11th > > > > > > and 7th need necessarily have to be involved in marriages in the > > > > modern > > > > > > reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > As you say, the marriage begins when they live together, no > doubt > > > > about > > > > > > that. But then the question is whether we consider a > marriage that > > > > > > breaks within a week or a day as a marriage or an affair? > This is > > so > > > > > > because in modern days some may live for some days together > > > purely on > > > > > > financial consideration and with no intention of getting > married. > > > > > > > > > > > > That is why, I think the necessary element is the desire to > > > spend life > > > > > > together has to be there at the time of marriage of living > > together, > > > > for > > > > > > that to be considered as a marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this definition is more appropriate as the jataka and > > Spouse > > > > are > > > > > > in 1 and 7 bhava and these two bhava cause a sort of merger or > > > > exchange > > > > > > of habits over a sufficiently long period spent together. So the > > > > husband > > > > > > gives up some of his dislikes and likes and accepts those of the > > > wife > > > > > > and vice-a-versa. The lagna is the bhava of birth which is the > > state > > > > > > after death and the 7th is the Maraka sthana so equivalent of > > death, > > > > > > which leads to beginning of the process of birth. Or if the > > > > terminology > > > > > > is too harsh, lagna is the rise of Sun, that has to set at > the 7th > > > > bhava > > > > > > and the 7th bhava is the setting of Sun that has to rise in the > > > Lagna. > > > > > > So the bhavas have to merge and so do the parties to the > marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > So in the example provided by you, if the person did not > have any > > > > > > intention to remain with his partner for life, I would not treat > > > that > > > > as > > > > > > marriage, but an affair. Some astrologers prefer to look at > > affairs > > > > from > > > > > > A7 and spouse from UL. I think they are right. > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course these are my personal views and I could be wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > venkatachala pathi wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr. Chandrasekarji, > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a great day in my 78 years of age to have a > message from > > a > > > > > > > great astrologer like you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your reply is 'partially' correct. While in Vedic > Astrology, the > > > > term > > > > > > > 'marriage' is the 'Union " of two people of opposite sex to be > > > > traced. > > > > > > > (now a days we also have to look into variety of 'unions' > > > crept into > > > > > > > modern society - and, is it possible to find in Vedic > Astrology > > of > > > > > > > these strange 'unions'?). this is referred to by one of us as > > > > 'Kannika > > > > > > > Dhan'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Dhan' itself is loss ( or moving away from ones ownership) to > > one > > > > and > > > > > > > gain to other. That is the reason along with 2nd house > (Kudumba) > > + > > > > 7th > > > > > > > House (Partnership) and 11 house the house of gain is > 'largely' > > > > > > > considered. But that DOES NOT COMPLETE THE MARRIAGE. > > > > > > > The 'marriage' is complete only when they 'live' together, > > 'unite' > > > > > > > together' and 'progress' together. So the ceremony of > > > 'marriage' and > > > > > > > in any religion it is a formal declaration and not 'complete' > > > in all > > > > > > > respects as quoted above. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My request is if these three segments are necessary to > > > 'complete' a > > > > > > > marriage, how you find these together to happen on the given > > > time in > > > > a > > > > > > > horoscope, and what are the contributions by position, by > > > portfolio, > > > > > > > and by inter relationship among Planets, Star Zone etc in > > > > combination > > > > > > > as reached in DP,BP,SP,ASP to arrive at it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is because, one male involved in one segment of three > > listed > > > > > > > above and claimed that he is not married. I explained his > > > period of > > > > > > > involvement and the troubles he will experience (which has > been > > > > proved > > > > > > > beyond any iota of doubt) in last 1 year 2 months. His parent > > > > (unaware > > > > > > > of this) is planning for his marriage. In my parlance his > > > 'marriage' > > > > > > > or 'marriages' are over (and one segment of said > 'marriage' will > > > > have > > > > > > > to continue) and only the spouse could not be 'fixed', and the > > > > result > > > > > > > of the (2nd house portfolio) could not be fulfilled. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, I am greatly involved in further deductions to him, > and look > > > > > > > forward to all in this forum to help me how further this could > > be > > > > > > > analyzed. (I think the details of horoscope is not > necessary, as > > > > this > > > > > > > a 'generalized' analysis). I will take this thereon from your > > > guide > > > > > > lines. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to take your precious time, and your advise will be of > > great > > > > > > > help to all in this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pathi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > > > > Hindu Vedic Astrologer, > > > > > > > 103, Black Tie Lane, Chapal Hill, > > > > > > > NC 27514. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Presently at Chennai India > > > > > > > Ph 044-23710500 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative > > > > vehicles. > > > > > > > Visit the Auto Green Center. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 20, 2007 Dear Bharat ji and Chandrasekhar ji, Though Parashar has rferred 7th house for marriage, but Uttarkalammrit has hinted 7th house to0 decide construction and sensitivity of his sexual organs. Mridula Trivedi has once gave an interesting view on 7th house as marriage house: marriage has strong relationship with social discipline born out of an individual need for companionship and love and the urge to procreate. It is the middle house in horoscope sandwitched between house of enemy and death. After marriage, native enters into another realm of life. A host of factors compel him to view his life from different perspective. The family must be protected, nurtured, flourished and saved from a host of enemies (so man has to gear up to a defensive posture for social, economic and external factors). Ans he has to keep his stance up throughout his life and is liberated only after his death. if one looks at swyamwar marriage, king has to fight with enemies to get his bride; and failure might mean his death. regards / Prafulla , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Bharat, > > There is no authority which has explained why this is so. However as you > asked me to throw some light on this, I shall give my opinion on why > this is so. > > Marriage in true hindu sense is when two individual not only marry but > get transformed into each other's image. That is why lagna and 7th bhava > are opposite each other and though opposing they are complimentary. So > after marriage the groom gives up some of his likes and dislikes and so > does the bride. They also accept each other's traits. That is when they > merge. Once the merger takes place the marriage is complete in real > sense. We see that occupants of both the bhavas aspect each other by > full 7th house aspect and thus are capable of mutual influence. having > merged, it becomes necessary to find the initiation of rasi dasha by > finding out which is the stronger of the two bhavas as both become > material but the one that has changed the least will be the guiding > light for events to unfold in future. > > These are my personal views on the subject and others could view it in a > different manner. > > Take care, > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology wrote: > > > > Namaste Sri Chandrashekharji > > > > Can you please expand upon it and give me a deeper understanding? > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Bharat > > > > On 7/18/07, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > > > You may also like to think about the fact that in rasi dashas, the > > > stronger between the Lagna and the 7th bhava is considered to give the > > > first dasha. So they do represent each other as do two partners in > > > marriage. > > > > > > regards, > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri Chandrashekharji > > > > > > > > True, I misread his email. > > > > > > > > 7th house interpretation bugged me for a long time : Why would Rishis > > > > call the house of marriage also as the house of markesh. One day this > > > came > > > > as a thought to me, which made sense. > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > On 7/18/07, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk><chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk> > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > > > > > > > I think Venkatachala asked, in the original thread, what constitutes > > > > > marriage in astrology in the modern days. I do not remember he > > writing > > > > > about how marriage should be lived, or if he did then that question > > > > > should go to the Dharma shastra lists if any. > > > > > > > > > > Your point of the reason for 7th being marakesha and also bhava of > > > > > spouse is an interesting interpretation. > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri Chandrashekharji and Sri Venkatachalaji > > > > > > > > > > > > The role of marriage is to expand from the lower I thinking > > > (egoistic, > > > > > > individualistic and selfish thinking) to a slightly bigger I > > > (wherein > > > > > the > > > > > > " I " encompasses both the person and his/her spouse). The > > > > > > identification with > > > > > > another breaks the singular individuality into a slightly larger > > > > > > " duality " . > > > > > > The purpose of a human life is to understand the whole as true > > " I " . > > > > > > Marriage > > > > > > becomes a very important step in the same. I agree with Sri > > > > > > Venkatachalaji's > > > > > > thinking that the marriage needs to " lived " successfully to be > > known > > > > > > so. It > > > > > > is this that would serve the true purpose of a marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps, because of its killing of " individuality " nature, it is > > > given > > > > > the > > > > > > same house as is the markesh. > > > > > > > > > > > > Just the desire to have a long marriage would not suffice for > > > marriage > > > > > if > > > > > > one does not renounce one's likes and dislikes and follow what > > > > needs to > > > > > be > > > > > > done and what needs to be accepted OR does not perform actions > > > > > supporting > > > > > > one's desires. Maybe we can alter by saying - That the desire is > > > there > > > > > and > > > > > > the understanding of the necessity of action and acceptance, > > > wherever > > > > > > required. > > > > > > > > > > > > I may be wrong too > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/18/07, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk><chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk> > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk><chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk> > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Venkatachala Pathi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am younger than you and if my response pleases you it is > > my good > > > > > > > fortune. I am yet a student of this divine science and hope to > > > > remain > > > > > so > > > > > > > till the end of my life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have replied, in the way that I did, for a very specific > > reason. > > > > > Your > > > > > > > query was about how to look at marriage as understood by Vedic > > > > > scholars > > > > > > > with reference to the present day scenario, or words to that > > > effect. > > > > > And > > > > > > > then though Kanyaa is given in Dana the Putra is not and both do > > > get > > > > > > > married. So I think the loss and gain part may not be > > universally > > > > > > > applicable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then how to relate this to the modern trend of live-in partners > > > and > > > > > same > > > > > > > sex marriages? The last two of the variety of them can not > > begin a > > > > > > > Kutumba at all. And then there are casual relationships that are > > > > based > > > > > > > on income to one and loss to other. So I would not think > > > > that2nd, 11th > > > > > > > and 7th need necessarily have to be involved in marriages in the > > > > > modern > > > > > > > reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As you say, the marriage begins when they live together, no > > doubt > > > > > about > > > > > > > that. But then the question is whether we consider a > > marriage that > > > > > > > breaks within a week or a day as a marriage or an affair? > > This is > > > so > > > > > > > because in modern days some may live for some days together > > > > purely on > > > > > > > financial consideration and with no intention of getting > > married. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is why, I think the necessary element is the desire to > > > > spend life > > > > > > > together has to be there at the time of marriage of living > > > together, > > > > > for > > > > > > > that to be considered as a marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this definition is more appropriate as the jataka and > > > Spouse > > > > > are > > > > > > > in 1 and 7 bhava and these two bhava cause a sort of merger or > > > > > exchange > > > > > > > of habits over a sufficiently long period spent together. So the > > > > > husband > > > > > > > gives up some of his dislikes and likes and accepts those of the > > > > wife > > > > > > > and vice-a-versa. The lagna is the bhava of birth which is the > > > state > > > > > > > after death and the 7th is the Maraka sthana so equivalent of > > > death, > > > > > > > which leads to beginning of the process of birth. Or if the > > > > > terminology > > > > > > > is too harsh, lagna is the rise of Sun, that has to set at > > the 7th > > > > > bhava > > > > > > > and the 7th bhava is the setting of Sun that has to rise in the > > > > Lagna. > > > > > > > So the bhavas have to merge and so do the parties to the > > marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So in the example provided by you, if the person did not > > have any > > > > > > > intention to remain with his partner for life, I would not treat > > > > that > > > > > as > > > > > > > marriage, but an affair. Some astrologers prefer to look at > > > affairs > > > > > from > > > > > > > A7 and spouse from UL. I think they are right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course these are my personal views and I could be wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > venkatachala pathi wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr. Chandrasekarji, > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a great day in my 78 years of age to have a > > message from > > > a > > > > > > > > great astrologer like you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your reply is 'partially' correct. While in Vedic > > Astrology, the > > > > > term > > > > > > > > 'marriage' is the 'Union " of two people of opposite sex to be > > > > > traced. > > > > > > > > (now a days we also have to look into variety of 'unions' > > > > crept into > > > > > > > > modern society - and, is it possible to find in Vedic > > Astrology > > > of > > > > > > > > these strange 'unions'?). this is referred to by one of us as > > > > > 'Kannika > > > > > > > > Dhan'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Dhan' itself is loss ( or moving away from ones ownership) to > > > one > > > > > and > > > > > > > > gain to other. That is the reason along with 2nd house > > (Kudumba) > > > + > > > > > 7th > > > > > > > > House (Partnership) and 11 house the house of gain is > > 'largely' > > > > > > > > considered. But that DOES NOT COMPLETE THE MARRIAGE. > > > > > > > > The 'marriage' is complete only when they 'live' together, > > > 'unite' > > > > > > > > together' and 'progress' together. So the ceremony of > > > > 'marriage' and > > > > > > > > in any religion it is a formal declaration and not 'complete' > > > > in all > > > > > > > > respects as quoted above. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My request is if these three segments are necessary to > > > > 'complete' a > > > > > > > > marriage, how you find these together to happen on the given > > > > time in > > > > > a > > > > > > > > horoscope, and what are the contributions by position, by > > > > portfolio, > > > > > > > > and by inter relationship among Planets, Star Zone etc in > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > as reached in DP,BP,SP,ASP to arrive at it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is because, one male involved in one segment of three > > > listed > > > > > > > > above and claimed that he is not married. I explained his > > > > period of > > > > > > > > involvement and the troubles he will experience (which has > > been > > > > > proved > > > > > > > > beyond any iota of doubt) in last 1 year 2 months. His parent > > > > > (unaware > > > > > > > > of this) is planning for his marriage. In my parlance his > > > > 'marriage' > > > > > > > > or 'marriages' are over (and one segment of said > > 'marriage' will > > > > > have > > > > > > > > to continue) and only the spouse could not be 'fixed', and the > > > > > result > > > > > > > > of the (2nd house portfolio) could not be fulfilled. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, I am greatly involved in further deductions to him, > > and look > > > > > > > > forward to all in this forum to help me how further this could > > > be > > > > > > > > analyzed. (I think the details of horoscope is not > > necessary, as > > > > > this > > > > > > > > a 'generalized' analysis). I will take this thereon from your > > > > guide > > > > > > > lines. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to take your precious time, and your advise will be of > > > great > > > > > > > > help to all in this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pathi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > > > > > Hindu Vedic Astrologer, > > > > > > > > 103, Black Tie Lane, Chapal Hill, > > > > > > > > NC 27514. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Presently at Chennai India > > > > > > > > Ph 044-23710500 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative > > > > > vehicles. > > > > > > > > Visit the Auto Green Center. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 20, 2007 Dear Chandrashekhar and Prafulla, You both wrote an excellent and educative essay on marriage, thank you. Strangely, Chandarshekhar explained it more in terms of equality, first and seventh aspecting each other, while Prafulla brought to light the fact that man is under the significant amount of pressure wrt marriage and family. This is still the case nowadays, if not more, marriage with its all fruits and consequences, heavily obliges man and that's often intimidating for man how many duties he has to accept, struggle in society for work, to be provider, role model, sustainer. I honestly believe that life is increasingly more complex and difficult for a man than for a woman nowadays. Besides they have never been 'stronger sex /IMO/ On astro-level, stronger 7th H may indicate dominating partner, which is not necessarily a bad thing. Which depends on other strengths- in a horoscope of one person who wants to be led, likes benefits of submissiveness, Sun in 7th for ex. may not be bad at all. In another case, when entire horoscope indicates fiercely independent person, Sun in seventh may indicate bad power struggles and lack of mutual understanding, leading to divorce. My 2ct., Sun-in-seventh-experience. Love, Anna Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: Dear Bharat ji and Chandrasekhar ji, Though Parashar has rferred 7th house for marriage, but Uttarkalammrit has hinted 7th house to0 decide construction and sensitivity of his sexual organs. Mridula Trivedi has once gave an interesting view on 7th house as marriage house: marriage has strong relationship with social discipline born out of an individual need for companionship and love and the urge to procreate. It is the middle house in horoscope sandwitched between house of enemy and death. After marriage, native enters into another realm of life. A host of factors compel him to view his life from different perspective. The family must be protected, nurtured, flourished and saved from a host of enemies (so man has to gear up to a defensive posture for social, economic and external factors). Ans he has to keep his stance up throughout his life and is liberated only after his death. if one looks at swyamwar marriage, king has to fight with enemies to get his bride; and failure might mean his death. regards / Prafulla , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Bharat, > > There is no authority which has explained why this is so. However as you > asked me to throw some light on this, I shall give my opinion on why > this is so. > > Marriage in true hindu sense is when two individual not only marry but > get transformed into each other's image. That is why lagna and 7th bhava > are opposite each other and though opposing they are complimentary. So > after marriage the groom gives up some of his likes and dislikes and so > does the bride. They also accept each other's traits. That is when they > merge. Once the merger takes place the marriage is complete in real > sense. We see that occupants of both the bhavas aspect each other by > full 7th house aspect and thus are capable of mutual influence. having > merged, it becomes necessary to find the initiation of rasi dasha by > finding out which is the stronger of the two bhavas as both become > material but the one that has changed the least will be the guiding > light for events to unfold in future. > > These are my personal views on the subject and others could view it in a > different manner. > > Take care, > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology wrote: > > > > Namaste Sri Chandrashekharji > > > > Can you please expand upon it and give me a deeper understanding? > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Bharat > > > > On 7/18/07, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > > > You may also like to think about the fact that in rasi dashas, the > > > stronger between the Lagna and the 7th bhava is considered to give the > > > first dasha. So they do represent each other as do two partners in > > > marriage. > > > > > > regards, > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri Chandrashekharji > > > > > > > > True, I misread his email. > > > > > > > > 7th house interpretation bugged me for a long time : Why would Rishis > > > > call the house of marriage also as the house of markesh. One day this > > > came > > > > as a thought to me, which made sense. > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > On 7/18/07, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk><chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk> > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > > > > > > > I think Venkatachala asked, in the original thread, what constitutes > > > > > marriage in astrology in the modern days. I do not remember he > > writing > > > > > about how marriage should be lived, or if he did then that question > > > > > should go to the Dharma shastra lists if any. > > > > > > > > > > Your point of the reason for 7th being marakesha and also bhava of > > > > > spouse is an interesting interpretation. > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri Chandrashekharji and Sri Venkatachalaji > > > > > > > > > > > > The role of marriage is to expand from the lower I thinking > > > (egoistic, > > > > > > individualistic and selfish thinking) to a slightly bigger I > > > (wherein > > > > > the > > > > > > " I " encompasses both the person and his/her spouse). The > > > > > > identification with > > > > > > another breaks the singular individuality into a slightly larger > > > > > > " duality " . > > > > > > The purpose of a human life is to understand the whole as true > > " I " . > > > > > > Marriage > > > > > > becomes a very important step in the same. I agree with Sri > > > > > > Venkatachalaji's > > > > > > thinking that the marriage needs to " lived " successfully to be > > known > > > > > > so. It > > > > > > is this that would serve the true purpose of a marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps, because of its killing of " individuality " nature, it is > > > given > > > > > the > > > > > > same house as is the markesh. > > > > > > > > > > > > Just the desire to have a long marriage would not suffice for > > > marriage > > > > > if > > > > > > one does not renounce one's likes and dislikes and follow what > > > > needs to > > > > > be > > > > > > done and what needs to be accepted OR does not perform actions > > > > > supporting > > > > > > one's desires. Maybe we can alter by saying - That the desire is > > > there > > > > > and > > > > > > the understanding of the necessity of action and acceptance, > > > wherever > > > > > > required. > > > > > > > > > > > > I may be wrong too > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/18/07, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk><chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk> > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk><chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk> > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Venkatachala Pathi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am younger than you and if my response pleases you it is > > my good > > > > > > > fortune. I am yet a student of this divine science and hope to > > > > remain > > > > > so > > > > > > > till the end of my life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have replied, in the way that I did, for a very specific > > reason. > > > > > Your > > > > > > > query was about how to look at marriage as understood by Vedic > > > > > scholars > > > > > > > with reference to the present day scenario, or words to that > > > effect. > > > > > And > > > > > > > then though Kanyaa is given in Dana the Putra is not and both do > > > get > > > > > > > married. So I think the loss and gain part may not be > > universally > > > > > > > applicable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then how to relate this to the modern trend of live-in partners > > > and > > > > > same > > > > > > > sex marriages? The last two of the variety of them can not > > begin a > > > > > > > Kutumba at all. And then there are casual relationships that are > > > > based > > > > > > > on income to one and loss to other. So I would not think > > > > that2nd, 11th > > > > > > > and 7th need necessarily have to be involved in marriages in the > > > > > modern > > > > > > > reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As you say, the marriage begins when they live together, no > > doubt > > > > > about > > > > > > > that. But then the question is whether we consider a > > marriage that > > > > > > > breaks within a week or a day as a marriage or an affair? > > This is > > > so > > > > > > > because in modern days some may live for some days together > > > > purely on > > > > > > > financial consideration and with no intention of getting > > married. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is why, I think the necessary element is the desire to > > > > spend life > > > > > > > together has to be there at the time of marriage of living > > > together, > > > > > for > > > > > > > that to be considered as a marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this definition is more appropriate as the jataka and > > > Spouse > > > > > are > > > > > > > in 1 and 7 bhava and these two bhava cause a sort of merger or > > > > > exchange > > > > > > > of habits over a sufficiently long period spent together. So the > > > > > husband > > > > > > > gives up some of his dislikes and likes and accepts those of the > > > > wife > > > > > > > and vice-a-versa. The lagna is the bhava of birth which is the > > > state > > > > > > > after death and the 7th is the Maraka sthana so equivalent of > > > death, > > > > > > > which leads to beginning of the process of birth. Or if the > > > > > terminology > > > > > > > is too harsh, lagna is the rise of Sun, that has to set at > > the 7th > > > > > bhava > > > > > > > and the 7th bhava is the setting of Sun that has to rise in the > > > > Lagna. > > > > > > > So the bhavas have to merge and so do the parties to the > > marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So in the example provided by you, if the person did not > > have any > > > > > > > intention to remain with his partner for life, I would not treat > > > > that > > > > > as > > > > > > > marriage, but an affair. Some astrologers prefer to look at > > > affairs > > > > > from > > > > > > > A7 and spouse from UL. I think they are right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course these are my personal views and I could be wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > venkatachala pathi wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr. Chandrasekarji, > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a great day in my 78 years of age to have a > > message from > > > a > > > > > > > > great astrologer like you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your reply is 'partially' correct. While in Vedic > > Astrology, the > > > > > term > > > > > > > > 'marriage' is the 'Union " of two people of opposite sex to be > > > > > traced. > > > > > > > > (now a days we also have to look into variety of 'unions' > > > > crept into > > > > > > > > modern society - and, is it possible to find in Vedic > > Astrology > > > of > > > > > > > > these strange 'unions'?). this is referred to by one of us as > > > > > 'Kannika > > > > > > > > Dhan'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Dhan' itself is loss ( or moving away from ones ownership) to > > > one > > > > > and > > > > > > > > gain to other. That is the reason along with 2nd house > > (Kudumba) > > > + > > > > > 7th > > > > > > > > House (Partnership) and 11 house the house of gain is > > 'largely' > > > > > > > > considered. But that DOES NOT COMPLETE THE MARRIAGE. > > > > > > > > The 'marriage' is complete only when they 'live' together, > > > 'unite' > > > > > > > > together' and 'progress' together. So the ceremony of > > > > 'marriage' and > > > > > > > > in any religion it is a formal declaration and not 'complete' > > > > in all > > > > > > > > respects as quoted above. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My request is if these three segments are necessary to > > > > 'complete' a > > > > > > > > marriage, how you find these together to happen on the given > > > > time in > > > > > a > > > > > > > > horoscope, and what are the contributions by position, by > > > > portfolio, > > > > > > > > and by inter relationship among Planets, Star Zone etc in > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > as reached in DP,BP,SP,ASP to arrive at it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is because, one male involved in one segment of three > > > listed > > > > > > > > above and claimed that he is not married. I explained his > > > > period of > > > > > > > > involvement and the troubles he will experience (which has > > been > > > > > proved > > > > > > > > beyond any iota of doubt) in last 1 year 2 months. His parent > > > > > (unaware > > > > > > > > of this) is planning for his marriage. In my parlance his > > > > 'marriage' > > > > > > > > or 'marriages' are over (and one segment of said > > 'marriage' will > > > > > have > > > > > > > > to continue) and only the spouse could not be 'fixed', and the > > > > > result > > > > > > > > of the (2nd house portfolio) could not be fulfilled. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, I am greatly involved in further deductions to him, > > and look > > > > > > > > forward to all in this forum to help me how further this could > > > be > > > > > > > > analyzed. (I think the details of horoscope is not > > necessary, as > > > > > this > > > > > > > > a 'generalized' analysis). 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Guest guest Report post Posted July 20, 2007 Dear Prafulla, Uttara Kalamrita does say that it represents the sexual organs, anus etc. But that perhaps is not of relevance to the question asked by Bharat. Not directly. The assumption that since Kings were sometimes subject to Svyayamvara does not mean all did nor did the common men in ancient times. So the reference to Svayamvara in this connection confuses me, though it may have some relevance to the writer. And I do not think all Svayamvaras meant fighting enemies on winning. So the simile may not be appropriate. But then this is my personal view and I could be wrong. Chandrashekhar. Prafulla Gang wrote: > > Dear Bharat ji and Chandrasekhar ji, > > Though Parashar has rferred 7th house for marriage, but Uttarkalammrit > has hinted 7th house to0 decide construction and sensitivity of his > sexual organs. > > Mridula Trivedi has once gave an interesting view on 7th house as > marriage house: > > marriage has strong relationship with social discipline born out of an > individual need for companionship and love and the urge to procreate. > It is the middle house in horoscope sandwitched between house of enemy > and death. After marriage, native enters into another realm of life. A > host of factors compel him to view his life from different > perspective. The family must be protected, nurtured, flourished and > saved from a host of enemies (so man has to gear up to a defensive > posture for social, economic and external factors). Ans he has to keep > his stance up throughout his life and is liberated only after his death. > > if one looks at swyamwar marriage, king has to fight with enemies to > get his bride; and failure might mean his death. > > regards / Prafulla > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > There is no authority which has explained why this is so. However as > you > > asked me to throw some light on this, I shall give my opinion on why > > this is so. > > > > Marriage in true hindu sense is when two individual not only marry but > > get transformed into each other's image. That is why lagna and 7th > bhava > > are opposite each other and though opposing they are complimentary. So > > after marriage the groom gives up some of his likes and dislikes and so > > does the bride. They also accept each other's traits. That is when they > > merge. Once the merger takes place the marriage is complete in real > > sense. We see that occupants of both the bhavas aspect each other by > > full 7th house aspect and thus are capable of mutual influence. having > > merged, it becomes necessary to find the initiation of rasi dasha by > > finding out which is the stronger of the two bhavas as both become > > material but the one that has changed the least will be the guiding > > light for events to unfold in future. > > > > These are my personal views on the subject and others could view it > in a > > different manner. > > > > Take care, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Sri Chandrashekharji > > > > > > Can you please expand upon it and give me a deeper understanding? > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > Bharat > > > > > > On 7/18/07, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > > > > > You may also like to think about the fact that in rasi dashas, the > > > > stronger between the Lagna and the 7th bhava is considered to > give the > > > > first dasha. So they do represent each other as do two partners in > > > > marriage. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri Chandrashekharji > > > > > > > > > > True, I misread his email. > > > > > > > > > > 7th house interpretation bugged me for a long time : Why would > Rishis > > > > > call the house of marriage also as the house of markesh. One > day this > > > > came > > > > > as a thought to me, which made sense. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > On 7/18/07, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk><chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk> > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Venkatachala asked, in the original thread, what > constitutes > > > > > > marriage in astrology in the modern days. I do not remember he > > > writing > > > > > > about how marriage should be lived, or if he did then that > question > > > > > > should go to the Dharma shastra lists if any. > > > > > > > > > > > > Your point of the reason for 7th being marakesha and also > bhava of > > > > > > spouse is an interesting interpretation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri Chandrashekharji and Sri Venkatachalaji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The role of marriage is to expand from the lower I thinking > > > > (egoistic, > > > > > > > individualistic and selfish thinking) to a slightly bigger I > > > > (wherein > > > > > > the > > > > > > > " I " encompasses both the person and his/her spouse). The > > > > > > > identification with > > > > > > > another breaks the singular individuality into a slightly > larger > > > > > > > " duality " . > > > > > > > The purpose of a human life is to understand the whole as > true > > > " I " . > > > > > > > Marriage > > > > > > > becomes a very important step in the same. I agree with Sri > > > > > > > Venkatachalaji's > > > > > > > thinking that the marriage needs to " lived " successfully > to be > > > known > > > > > > > so. It > > > > > > > is this that would serve the true purpose of a marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps, because of its killing of " individuality " nature, > it is > > > > given > > > > > > the > > > > > > > same house as is the markesh. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just the desire to have a long marriage would not suffice for > > > > marriage > > > > > > if > > > > > > > one does not renounce one's likes and dislikes and follow what > > > > > needs to > > > > > > be > > > > > > > done and what needs to be accepted OR does not perform actions > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > one's desires. Maybe we can alter by saying - That the > desire is > > > > there > > > > > > and > > > > > > > the understanding of the necessity of action and acceptance, > > > > wherever > > > > > > > required. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I may be wrong too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/18/07, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk><chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk> > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk><chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk> > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Venkatachala Pathi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am younger than you and if my response pleases you it is > > > my good > > > > > > > > fortune. I am yet a student of this divine science and > hope to > > > > > remain > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > till the end of my life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have replied, in the way that I did, for a very specific > > > reason. > > > > > > Your > > > > > > > > query was about how to look at marriage as understood by > Vedic > > > > > > scholars > > > > > > > > with reference to the present day scenario, or words to that > > > > effect. > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > then though Kanyaa is given in Dana the Putra is not and > both do > > > > get > > > > > > > > married. So I think the loss and gain part may not be > > > universally > > > > > > > > applicable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then how to relate this to the modern trend of live-in > partners > > > > and > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > sex marriages? The last two of the variety of them can not > > > begin a > > > > > > > > Kutumba at all. And then there are casual relationships > that are > > > > > based > > > > > > > > on income to one and loss to other. So I would not think > > > > > that2nd, 11th > > > > > > > > and 7th need necessarily have to be involved in > marriages in the > > > > > > modern > > > > > > > > reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As you say, the marriage begins when they live together, no > > > doubt > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > that. But then the question is whether we consider a > > > marriage that > > > > > > > > breaks within a week or a day as a marriage or an affair? > > > This is > > > > so > > > > > > > > because in modern days some may live for some days together > > > > > purely on > > > > > > > > financial consideration and with no intention of getting > > > married. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is why, I think the necessary element is the desire to > > > > > spend life > > > > > > > > together has to be there at the time of marriage of living > > > > together, > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > that to be considered as a marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this definition is more appropriate as the > jataka and > > > > Spouse > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > in 1 and 7 bhava and these two bhava cause a sort of > merger or > > > > > > exchange > > > > > > > > of habits over a sufficiently long period spent > together. So the > > > > > > husband > > > > > > > > gives up some of his dislikes and likes and accepts > those of the > > > > > wife > > > > > > > > and vice-a-versa. The lagna is the bhava of birth which > is the > > > > state > > > > > > > > after death and the 7th is the Maraka sthana so > equivalent of > > > > death, > > > > > > > > which leads to beginning of the process of birth. Or if the > > > > > > terminology > > > > > > > > is too harsh, lagna is the rise of Sun, that has to set at > > > the 7th > > > > > > bhava > > > > > > > > and the 7th bhava is the setting of Sun that has to rise > in the > > > > > Lagna. > > > > > > > > So the bhavas have to merge and so do the parties to the > > > marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So in the example provided by you, if the person did not > > > have any > > > > > > > > intention to remain with his partner for life, I would > not treat > > > > > that > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > marriage, but an affair. Some astrologers prefer to look at > > > > affairs > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > A7 and spouse from UL. I think they are right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course these are my personal views and I could be wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > venkatachala pathi wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr. Chandrasekarji, > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a great day in my 78 years of age to have a > > > message from > > > > a > > > > > > > > > great astrologer like you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your reply is 'partially' correct. While in Vedic > > > Astrology, the > > > > > > term > > > > > > > > > 'marriage' is the 'Union " of two people of opposite > sex to be > > > > > > traced. > > > > > > > > > (now a days we also have to look into variety of 'unions' > > > > > crept into > > > > > > > > > modern society - and, is it possible to find in Vedic > > > Astrology > > > > of > > > > > > > > > these strange 'unions'?). this is referred to by one > of us as > > > > > > 'Kannika > > > > > > > > > Dhan'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Dhan' itself is loss ( or moving away from ones > ownership) to > > > > one > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > gain to other. That is the reason along with 2nd house > > > (Kudumba) > > > > + > > > > > > 7th > > > > > > > > > House (Partnership) and 11 house the house of gain is > > > 'largely' > > > > > > > > > considered. But that DOES NOT COMPLETE THE MARRIAGE. > > > > > > > > > The 'marriage' is complete only when they 'live' together, > > > > 'unite' > > > > > > > > > together' and 'progress' together. So the ceremony of > > > > > 'marriage' and > > > > > > > > > in any religion it is a formal declaration and not > 'complete' > > > > > in all > > > > > > > > > respects as quoted above. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My request is if these three segments are necessary to > > > > > 'complete' a > > > > > > > > > marriage, how you find these together to happen on the > given > > > > > time in > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > horoscope, and what are the contributions by position, by > > > > > portfolio, > > > > > > > > > and by inter relationship among Planets, Star Zone etc in > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > as reached in DP,BP,SP,ASP to arrive at it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is because, one male involved in one segment of three > > > > listed > > > > > > > > > above and claimed that he is not married. I explained his > > > > > period of > > > > > > > > > involvement and the troubles he will experience (which > has > > > been > > > > > > proved > > > > > > > > > beyond any iota of doubt) in last 1 year 2 months. His > parent > > > > > > (unaware > > > > > > > > > of this) is planning for his marriage. In my parlance his > > > > > 'marriage' > > > > > > > > > or 'marriages' are over (and one segment of said > > > 'marriage' will > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > to continue) and only the spouse could not be 'fixed', > and the > > > > > > result > > > > > > > > > of the (2nd house portfolio) could not be fulfilled. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, I am greatly involved in further deductions to him, > > > and look > > > > > > > > > forward to all in this forum to help me how further > this could > > > > be > > > > > > > > > analyzed. (I think the details of horoscope is not > > > necessary, as > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > a 'generalized' analysis). I will take this thereon > from your > > > > > guide > > > > > > > > lines. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to take your precious time, and your advise will > be of > > > > great > > > > > > > > > help to all in this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pathi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > > > > > > Hindu Vedic Astrologer, > > > > > > > > > 103, Black Tie Lane, Chapal Hill, > > > > > > > > > NC 27514. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Presently at Chennai India > > > > > > > > > Ph 044-23710500 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in > alternative > > > > > > vehicles. > > > > > > > > > Visit the Auto Green Center. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 20, 2007 hi, position of shukra in eight and moon in seventh and rahu in fifth makes as person prone/attarated to opposite sex badly, and also predictes urinery problems. Boy will definatly get married after enjoying life. Be sure he should not get married at the age of 25. as per the star position your house/door may be painted green. your refer must be containing wine bottles of green colour. jupiter in 12th says that boys father is suffering from breathing problem. sun in eighth any legal issue going on?? please tell this boy to wash his private places with curd. Donate food to blind peoples. regards, leekha s. lalkitab , RV <ndverma02139 wrote: > > dob 25-8-1984 - at 5.35 pm - London uk > if any one can predict when this boy will get > marriage. will it be arranged or love marriage. more > over his marriage will be succesful or not. > please write me in full detail. thanks > ndverma02139 > > > ___________________ _______________ > Luggage? GPS? Comic books? > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Search > http://search./search? fr=oni_on_mail & p=graduation+gifts & cs=bz > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 20, 2007 Dear Anna, It is kind of you to say that. You are right, Sun in the 7th many a times indicates problems in marriage as the spouse may be too dominating and the Jataka equally unyielding (nothing to do with you). Chandrashekhar. 108ar wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekhar and Prafulla, > > You both wrote an excellent and educative essay on marriage, thank you. > Strangely, Chandarshekhar explained it more in terms of equality, > first and seventh aspecting each other, while Prafulla brought to > light the fact that man is under the significant amount of pressure > wrt marriage and family. This is still the case nowadays, if not more, > marriage with its all fruits and consequences, heavily obliges man and > that's often intimidating for man how many duties he has to accept, > struggle in society for work, to be provider, role model, sustainer. I > honestly believe that life is increasingly more complex and difficult > for a man than for a woman nowadays. > Besides they have never been 'stronger sex /IMO/ > > On astro-level, stronger 7th H may indicate dominating partner, which > is not necessarily a bad thing. Which depends on other strengths- in a > horoscope of one person who wants to be led, likes benefits of > submissiveness, Sun in 7th for ex. may not be bad at all. In another > case, when entire horoscope indicates fiercely independent person, Sun > in seventh may indicate bad power struggles and lack of mutual > understanding, leading to divorce. My 2ct., Sun-in-seventh-experience. > > Love, > Anna > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish <jyotish%40inbox.com>> wrote: > Dear Bharat ji and Chandrasekhar ji, > > Though Parashar has rferred 7th house for marriage, but Uttarkalammrit > has hinted 7th house to0 decide construction and sensitivity of his > sexual organs. > > Mridula Trivedi has once gave an interesting view on 7th house as > marriage house: > > marriage has strong relationship with social discipline born out of an > individual need for companionship and love and the urge to procreate. > It is the middle house in horoscope sandwitched between house of enemy > and death. After marriage, native enters into another realm of life. A > host of factors compel him to view his life from different > perspective. The family must be protected, nurtured, flourished and > saved from a host of enemies (so man has to gear up to a defensive > posture for social, economic and external factors). Ans he has to keep > his stance up throughout his life and is liberated only after his death. > > if one looks at swyamwar marriage, king has to fight with enemies to > get his bride; and failure might mean his death. > > regards / Prafulla > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > There is no authority which has explained why this is so. However as > you > > asked me to throw some light on this, I shall give my opinion on why > > this is so. > > > > Marriage in true hindu sense is when two individual not only marry but > > get transformed into each other's image. That is why lagna and 7th > bhava > > are opposite each other and though opposing they are complimentary. So > > after marriage the groom gives up some of his likes and dislikes and so > > does the bride. They also accept each other's traits. That is when they > > merge. Once the merger takes place the marriage is complete in real > > sense. We see that occupants of both the bhavas aspect each other by > > full 7th house aspect and thus are capable of mutual influence. having > > merged, it becomes necessary to find the initiation of rasi dasha by > > finding out which is the stronger of the two bhavas as both become > > material but the one that has changed the least will be the guiding > > light for events to unfold in future. > > > > These are my personal views on the subject and others could view it > in a > > different manner. > > > > Take care, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Sri Chandrashekharji > > > > > > Can you please expand upon it and give me a deeper understanding? > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > Bharat > > > > > > On 7/18/07, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > > > > > You may also like to think about the fact that in rasi dashas, the > > > > stronger between the Lagna and the 7th bhava is considered to > give the > > > > first dasha. So they do represent each other as do two partners in > > > > marriage. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri Chandrashekharji > > > > > > > > > > True, I misread his email. > > > > > > > > > > 7th house interpretation bugged me for a long time : Why would > Rishis > > > > > call the house of marriage also as the house of markesh. One > day this > > > > came > > > > > as a thought to me, which made sense. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > On 7/18/07, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk><chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk> > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Venkatachala asked, in the original thread, what > constitutes > > > > > > marriage in astrology in the modern days. I do not remember he > > > writing > > > > > > about how marriage should be lived, or if he did then that > question > > > > > > should go to the Dharma shastra lists if any. > > > > > > > > > > > > Your point of the reason for 7th being marakesha and also > bhava of > > > > > > spouse is an interesting interpretation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri Chandrashekharji and Sri Venkatachalaji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The role of marriage is to expand from the lower I thinking > > > > (egoistic, > > > > > > > individualistic and selfish thinking) to a slightly bigger I > > > > (wherein > > > > > > the > > > > > > > " I " encompasses both the person and his/her spouse). The > > > > > > > identification with > > > > > > > another breaks the singular individuality into a slightly > larger > > > > > > > " duality " . > > > > > > > The purpose of a human life is to understand the whole as > true > > > " I " . > > > > > > > Marriage > > > > > > > becomes a very important step in the same. I agree with Sri > > > > > > > Venkatachalaji's > > > > > > > thinking that the marriage needs to " lived " successfully > to be > > > known > > > > > > > so. It > > > > > > > is this that would serve the true purpose of a marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps, because of its killing of " individuality " nature, > it is > > > > given > > > > > > the > > > > > > > same house as is the markesh. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just the desire to have a long marriage would not suffice for > > > > marriage > > > > > > if > > > > > > > one does not renounce one's likes and dislikes and follow what > > > > > needs to > > > > > > be > > > > > > > done and what needs to be accepted OR does not perform actions > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > one's desires. Maybe we can alter by saying - That the > desire is > > > > there > > > > > > and > > > > > > > the understanding of the necessity of action and acceptance, > > > > wherever > > > > > > > required. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I may be wrong too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/18/07, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk><chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk> > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk><chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk> > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Venkatachala Pathi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am younger than you and if my response pleases you it is > > > my good > > > > > > > > fortune. I am yet a student of this divine science and > hope to > > > > > remain > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > till the end of my life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have replied, in the way that I did, for a very specific > > > reason. > > > > > > Your > > > > > > > > query was about how to look at marriage as understood by > Vedic > > > > > > scholars > > > > > > > > with reference to the present day scenario, or words to that > > > > effect. > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > then though Kanyaa is given in Dana the Putra is not and > both do > > > > get > > > > > > > > married. So I think the loss and gain part may not be > > > universally > > > > > > > > applicable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then how to relate this to the modern trend of live-in > partners > > > > and > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > sex marriages? The last two of the variety of them can not > > > begin a > > > > > > > > Kutumba at all. And then there are casual relationships > that are > > > > > based > > > > > > > > on income to one and loss to other. So I would not think > > > > > that2nd, 11th > > > > > > > > and 7th need necessarily have to be involved in > marriages in the > > > > > > modern > > > > > > > > reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As you say, the marriage begins when they live together, no > > > doubt > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > that. But then the question is whether we consider a > > > marriage that > > > > > > > > breaks within a week or a day as a marriage or an affair? > > > This is > > > > so > > > > > > > > because in modern days some may live for some days together > > > > > purely on > > > > > > > > financial consideration and with no intention of getting > > > married. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is why, I think the necessary element is the desire to > > > > > spend life > > > > > > > > together has to be there at the time of marriage of living > > > > together, > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > that to be considered as a marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this definition is more appropriate as the > jataka and > > > > Spouse > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > in 1 and 7 bhava and these two bhava cause a sort of > merger or > > > > > > exchange > > > > > > > > of habits over a sufficiently long period spent > together. So the > > > > > > husband > > > > > > > > gives up some of his dislikes and likes and accepts > those of the > > > > > wife > > > > > > > > and vice-a-versa. The lagna is the bhava of birth which > is the > > > > state > > > > > > > > after death and the 7th is the Maraka sthana so > equivalent of > > > > death, > > > > > > > > which leads to beginning of the process of birth. Or if the > > > > > > terminology > > > > > > > > is too harsh, lagna is the rise of Sun, that has to set at > > > the 7th > > > > > > bhava > > > > > > > > and the 7th bhava is the setting of Sun that has to rise > in the > > > > > Lagna. > > > > > > > > So the bhavas have to merge and so do the parties to the > > > marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So in the example provided by you, if the person did not > > > have any > > > > > > > > intention to remain with his partner for life, I would > not treat > > > > > that > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > marriage, but an affair. Some astrologers prefer to look at > > > > affairs > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > A7 and spouse from UL. I think they are right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course these are my personal views and I could be wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > venkatachala pathi wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr. Chandrasekarji, > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a great day in my 78 years of age to have a > > > message from > > > > a > > > > > > > > > great astrologer like you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your reply is 'partially' correct. While in Vedic > > > Astrology, the > > > > > > term > > > > > > > > > 'marriage' is the 'Union " of two people of opposite > sex to be > > > > > > traced. > > > > > > > > > (now a days we also have to look into variety of 'unions' > > > > > crept into > > > > > > > > > modern society - and, is it possible to find in Vedic > > > Astrology > > > > of > > > > > > > > > these strange 'unions'?). this is referred to by one > of us as > > > > > > 'Kannika > > > > > > > > > Dhan'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Dhan' itself is loss ( or moving away from ones > ownership) to > > > > one > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > gain to other. That is the reason along with 2nd house > > > (Kudumba) > > > > + > > > > > > 7th > > > > > > > > > House (Partnership) and 11 house the house of gain is > > > 'largely' > > > > > > > > > considered. But that DOES NOT COMPLETE THE MARRIAGE. > > > > > > > > > The 'marriage' is complete only when they 'live' together, > > > > 'unite' > > > > > > > > > together' and 'progress' together. So the ceremony of > > > > > 'marriage' and > > > > > > > > > in any religion it is a formal declaration and not > 'complete' > > > > > in all > > > > > > > > > respects as quoted above. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My request is if these three segments are necessary to > > > > > 'complete' a > > > > > > > > > marriage, how you find these together to happen on the > given > > > > > time in > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > horoscope, and what are the contributions by position, by > > > > > portfolio, > > > > > > > > > and by inter relationship among Planets, Star Zone etc in > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > as reached in DP,BP,SP,ASP to arrive at it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is because, one male involved in one segment of three > > > > listed > > > > > > > > > above and claimed that he is not married. I explained his > > > > > period of > > > > > > > > > involvement and the troubles he will experience (which > has > > > been > > > > > > proved > > > > > > > > > beyond any iota of doubt) in last 1 year 2 months. His > parent > > > > > > (unaware > > > > > > > > > of this) is planning for his marriage. In my parlance his > > > > > 'marriage' > > > > > > > > > or 'marriages' are over (and one segment of said > > > 'marriage' will > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > to continue) and only the spouse could not be 'fixed', > and the > > > > > > result > > > > > > > > > of the (2nd house portfolio) could not be fulfilled. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, I am greatly involved in further deductions to him, > > > and look > > > > > > > > > forward to all in this forum to help me how further > this could > > > > be > > > > > > > > > analyzed. (I think the details of horoscope is not > > > necessary, as > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > a 'generalized' analysis). I will take this thereon > from your > > > > > guide > > > > > > > > lines. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to take your precious time, and your advise will > be of > > > > great > > > > > > > > > help to all in this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pathi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > > > > > > Hindu Vedic Astrologer, > > > > > > > > > 103, Black Tie Lane, Chapal Hill, > > > > > > > > > NC 27514. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Presently at Chennai India > > > > > > > > > Ph 044-23710500 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in > alternative > > > > > > vehicles. > > > > > > > > > Visit the Auto Green Center. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 20, 2007 NOT NECESSARY ALWAYS THIS WOULD HAPPEN. If Sun in Leo, it will make the partner very Royal and dignified. If Sun in Aries would make the partner very much reputed in his/her field. If Sun in Libra, then partner would be subjugated, and some men like such partners,So every time Sun in 7th would not produce bad results, as some ladies/men prefer dominating partners, and some prefer those who have lost respect (Sun in Libra). So let us not talk about baby feeds, but like grown up men. In todays times, people prefer dominating and confident partners. Every time we see Sun in 7th, lets not jump to conclusions. That would be childish and foolish. There are many implications which have to be looked into before making such a decesion. This note is for all members and not just for those who are participating in this thread. Bhaskar. , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Anna, > > It is kind of you to say that. You are right, Sun in the 7th many a > times indicates problems in marriage as the spouse may be too dominating > and the Jataka equally unyielding (nothing to do with you). > > Chandrashekhar. > > 108ar wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar and Prafulla, > > > > You both wrote an excellent and educative essay on marriage, thank you. > > Strangely, Chandarshekhar explained it more in terms of equality, > > first and seventh aspecting each other, while Prafulla brought to > > light the fact that man is under the significant amount of pressure > > wrt marriage and family. This is still the case nowadays, if not more, > > marriage with its all fruits and consequences, heavily obliges man and > > that's often intimidating for man how many duties he has to accept, > > struggle in society for work, to be provider, role model, sustainer. I > > honestly believe that life is increasingly more complex and difficult > > for a man than for a woman nowadays. > > Besides they have never been 'stronger sex /IMO/ > > > > On astro-level, stronger 7th H may indicate dominating partner, which > > is not necessarily a bad thing. Which depends on other strengths- in a > > horoscope of one person who wants to be led, likes benefits of > > submissiveness, Sun in 7th for ex. may not be bad at all. In another > > case, when entire horoscope indicates fiercely independent person, Sun > > in seventh may indicate bad power struggles and lack of mutual > > understanding, leading to divorce. My 2ct., Sun-in-seventh-experience. > > > > Love, > > Anna > > > > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish <jyotish%40inbox.com>> wrote: > > Dear Bharat ji and Chandrasekhar ji, > > > > Though Parashar has rferred 7th house for marriage, but Uttarkalammrit > > has hinted 7th house to0 decide construction and sensitivity of his > > sexual organs. > > > > Mridula Trivedi has once gave an interesting view on 7th house as > > marriage house: > > > > marriage has strong relationship with social discipline born out of an > > individual need for companionship and love and the urge to procreate. > > It is the middle house in horoscope sandwitched between house of enemy > > and death. After marriage, native enters into another realm of life. A > > host of factors compel him to view his life from different > > perspective. The family must be protected, nurtured, flourished and > > saved from a host of enemies (so man has to gear up to a defensive > > posture for social, economic and external factors). Ans he has to keep > > his stance up throughout his life and is liberated only after his death. > > > > if one looks at swyamwar marriage, king has to fight with enemies to > > get his bride; and failure might mean his death. > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > > > There is no authority which has explained why this is so. However as > > you > > > asked me to throw some light on this, I shall give my opinion on why > > > this is so. > > > > > > Marriage in true hindu sense is when two individual not only marry but > > > get transformed into each other's image. That is why lagna and 7th > > bhava > > > are opposite each other and though opposing they are complimentary. So > > > after marriage the groom gives up some of his likes and dislikes and so > > > does the bride. They also accept each other's traits. That is when they > > > merge. Once the merger takes place the marriage is complete in real > > > sense. We see that occupants of both the bhavas aspect each other by > > > full 7th house aspect and thus are capable of mutual influence. having > > > merged, it becomes necessary to find the initiation of rasi dasha by > > > finding out which is the stronger of the two bhavas as both become > > > material but the one that has changed the least will be the guiding > > > light for events to unfold in future. > > > > > > These are my personal views on the subject and others could view it > > in a > > > different manner. > > > > > > Take care, > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri Chandrashekharji > > > > > > > > Can you please expand upon it and give me a deeper understanding? > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > On 7/18/07, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@ > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > > > > > > > You may also like to think about the fact that in rasi dashas, the > > > > > stronger between the Lagna and the 7th bhava is considered to > > give the > > > > > first dasha. So they do represent each other as do two partners in > > > > > marriage. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri Chandrashekharji > > > > > > > > > > > > True, I misread his email. > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th house interpretation bugged me for a long time : Why would > > Rishis > > > > > > call the house of marriage also as the house of markesh. One > > day this > > > > > came > > > > > > as a thought to me, which made sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/18/07, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@ > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk><chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk> > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Venkatachala asked, in the original thread, what > > constitutes > > > > > > > marriage in astrology in the modern days. I do not remember he > > > > writing > > > > > > > about how marriage should be lived, or if he did then that > > question > > > > > > > should go to the Dharma shastra lists if any. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your point of the reason for 7th being marakesha and also > > bhava of > > > > > > > spouse is an interesting interpretation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri Chandrashekharji and Sri Venkatachalaji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The role of marriage is to expand from the lower I thinking > > > > > (egoistic, > > > > > > > > individualistic and selfish thinking) to a slightly bigger I > > > > > (wherein > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > " I " encompasses both the person and his/her spouse). The > > > > > > > > identification with > > > > > > > > another breaks the singular individuality into a slightly > > larger > > > > > > > > " duality " . > > > > > > > > The purpose of a human life is to understand the whole as > > true > > > > " I " . > > > > > > > > Marriage > > > > > > > > becomes a very important step in the same. I agree with Sri > > > > > > > > Venkatachalaji's > > > > > > > > thinking that the marriage needs to " lived " successfully > > to be > > > > known > > > > > > > > so. It > > > > > > > > is this that would serve the true purpose of a marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps, because of its killing of " individuality " nature, > > it is > > > > > given > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > same house as is the markesh. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just the desire to have a long marriage would not suffice for > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > one does not renounce one's likes and dislikes and follow what > > > > > > needs to > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > done and what needs to be accepted OR does not perform actions > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > one's desires. Maybe we can alter by saying - That the > > desire is > > > > > there > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > the understanding of the necessity of action and acceptance, > > > > > wherever > > > > > > > > required. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I may be wrong too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/18/07, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@ > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk><chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk> > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk><chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk> > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Venkatachala Pathi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am younger than you and if my response pleases you it is > > > > my good > > > > > > > > > fortune. I am yet a student of this divine science and > > hope to > > > > > > remain > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > till the end of my life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have replied, in the way that I did, for a very specific > > > > reason. > > > > > > > Your > > > > > > > > > query was about how to look at marriage as understood by > > Vedic > > > > > > > scholars > > > > > > > > > with reference to the present day scenario, or words to that > > > > > effect. > > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > > then though Kanyaa is given in Dana the Putra is not and > > both do > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > married. So I think the loss and gain part may not be > > > > universally > > > > > > > > > applicable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then how to relate this to the modern trend of live-in > > partners > > > > > and > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > sex marriages? The last two of the variety of them can not > > > > begin a > > > > > > > > > Kutumba at all. And then there are casual relationships > > that are > > > > > > based > > > > > > > > > on income to one and loss to other. So I would not think > > > > > > that2nd, 11th > > > > > > > > > and 7th need necessarily have to be involved in > > marriages in the > > > > > > > modern > > > > > > > > > reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As you say, the marriage begins when they live together, no > > > > doubt > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > that. But then the question is whether we consider a > > > > marriage that > > > > > > > > > breaks within a week or a day as a marriage or an affair? > > > > This is > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > because in modern days some may live for some days together > > > > > > purely on > > > > > > > > > financial consideration and with no intention of getting > > > > married. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is why, I think the necessary element is the desire to > > > > > > spend life > > > > > > > > > together has to be there at the time of marriage of living > > > > > together, > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > that to be considered as a marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this definition is more appropriate as the > > jataka and > > > > > Spouse > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > in 1 and 7 bhava and these two bhava cause a sort of > > merger or > > > > > > > exchange > > > > > > > > > of habits over a sufficiently long period spent > > together. So the > > > > > > > husband > > > > > > > > > gives up some of his dislikes and likes and accepts > > those of the > > > > > > wife > > > > > > > > > and vice-a-versa. The lagna is the bhava of birth which > > is the > > > > > state > > > > > > > > > after death and the 7th is the Maraka sthana so > > equivalent of > > > > > death, > > > > > > > > > which leads to beginning of the process of birth. Or if the > > > > > > > terminology > > > > > > > > > is too harsh, lagna is the rise of Sun, that has to set at > > > > the 7th > > > > > > > bhava > > > > > > > > > and the 7th bhava is the setting of Sun that has to rise > > in the > > > > > > Lagna. > > > > > > > > > So the bhavas have to merge and so do the parties to the > > > > marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So in the example provided by you, if the person did not > > > > have any > > > > > > > > > intention to remain with his partner for life, I would > > not treat > > > > > > that > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > marriage, but an affair. Some astrologers prefer to look at > > > > > affairs > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > A7 and spouse from UL. I think they are right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course these are my personal views and I could be wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > venkatachala pathi wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr. Chandrasekarji, > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a great day in my 78 years of age to have a > > > > message from > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > great astrologer like you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your reply is 'partially' correct. While in Vedic > > > > Astrology, the > > > > > > > term > > > > > > > > > > 'marriage' is the 'Union " of two people of opposite > > sex to be > > > > > > > traced. > > > > > > > > > > (now a days we also have to look into variety of 'unions' > > > > > > crept into > > > > > > > > > > modern society - and, is it possible to find in Vedic > > > > Astrology > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > these strange 'unions'?). this is referred to by one > > of us as > > > > > > > 'Kannika > > > > > > > > > > Dhan'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Dhan' itself is loss ( or moving away from ones > > ownership) to > > > > > one > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > gain to other. That is the reason along with 2nd house > > > > (Kudumba) > > > > > + > > > > > > > 7th > > > > > > > > > > House (Partnership) and 11 house the house of gain is > > > > 'largely' > > > > > > > > > > considered. But that DOES NOT COMPLETE THE MARRIAGE. > > > > > > > > > > The 'marriage' is complete only when they 'live' together, > > > > > 'unite' > > > > > > > > > > together' and 'progress' together. So the ceremony of > > > > > > 'marriage' and > > > > > > > > > > in any religion it is a formal declaration and not > > 'complete' > > > > > > in all > > > > > > > > > > respects as quoted above. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My request is if these three segments are necessary to > > > > > > 'complete' a > > > > > > > > > > marriage, how you find these together to happen on the > > given > > > > > > time in > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > horoscope, and what are the contributions by position, by > > > > > > portfolio, > > > > > > > > > > and by inter relationship among Planets, Star Zone etc in > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > as reached in DP,BP,SP,ASP to arrive at it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is because, one male involved in one segment of three > > > > > listed > > > > > > > > > > above and claimed that he is not married. I explained his > > > > > > period of > > > > > > > > > > involvement and the troubles he will experience (which > > has > > > > been > > > > > > > proved > > > > > > > > > > beyond any iota of doubt) in last 1 year 2 months. His > > parent > > > > > > > (unaware > > > > > > > > > > of this) is planning for his marriage. In my parlance his > > > > > > 'marriage' > > > > > > > > > > or 'marriages' are over (and one segment of said > > > > 'marriage' will > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > to continue) and only the spouse could not be 'fixed', > > and the > > > > > > > result > > > > > > > > > > of the (2nd house portfolio) could not be fulfilled. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, I am greatly involved in further deductions to him, > > > > and look > > > > > > > > > > forward to all in this forum to help me how further > > this could > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > analyzed. (I think the details of horoscope is not > > > > necessary, as > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > a 'generalized' analysis). I will take this thereon > > from your > > > > > > guide > > > > > > > > > lines. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to take your precious time, and your advise will > > be of > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > help to all in this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pathi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > > > > > > > Hindu Vedic Astrologer, > > > > > > > > > > 103, Black Tie Lane, Chapal Hill, > > > > > > > > > > NC 27514. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Presently at Chennai India > > > > > > > > > > Ph 044-23710500 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in > > alternative > > > > > > > vehicles. > > > > > > > > > > Visit the Auto Green Center. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 21, 2007 Dear Mr. Proffulla, Shall I equate 'Swayamvar' to modern 'love marriage 'love before marriage? pathi A.V.Pathi, Hindu Vedic Astrologer, 103, Black Tie Lane, Chapal Hill, NC 27514. Presently at Chennai India Ph 044-23710500 Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Games. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 21, 2007 Namaste Leekha ji Please re-check chart as you haven't accounted for " British Summer Time " ie TOB is 4:35 PM GMT. Asc: 15Sag51 Jup in it 6th Hse: Tau Rahu in it 8th Hse: Can Moon in it 9th Hse: Leo Sun, Mer & Ven in it 11th Hse: Lib Sat in it 12th Hse: Sco Mars & Ketu in it Kind regards .. Jai Sita Ram Ram _____ lalkitab [lalkitab ] On Behalf Of sleekhas 20 July 2007 19:56 lalkitab [lalkitab] Re: marriage hi, position of shukra in eight and moon in seventh and rahu in fifth makes as person prone/attarated to opposite sex badly, and also predictes urinery problems. Boy will definatly get married after enjoying life. Be sure he should not get married at the age of 25. as per the star position your house/door may be painted green. your refer must be containing wine bottles of green colour. jupiter in 12th says that boys father is suffering from breathing problem. sun in eighth any legal issue going on?? please tell this boy to wash his private places with curd. Donate food to blind peoples. regards, leekha s. lalkitab@ <lalkitab%40> s.com, RV <ndverma02139 wrote: > > dob 25-8-1984 - at 5.35 pm - London uk > if any one can predict when this boy will get > marriage. will it be arranged or love marriage. more > over his marriage will be succesful or not. > please write me in full detail. thanks > ndverma02139 > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 21, 2007 raam raam ji, longi and lati taken on 51 32 n and 0 15 w regards, leekha s lalkitab , " Ram Jaswal " <rkjaswal wrote: > > Namaste Leekha ji > > Please re-check chart as you haven't accounted for " British Summer Time " ie > TOB is 4:35 PM GMT. > > Asc: 15Sag51 Jup in it > 6th Hse: Tau Rahu in it > 8th Hse: Can Moon in it > 9th Hse: Leo Sun, Mer & Ven in it > 11th Hse: Lib Sat in it > 12th Hse: Sco Mars & Ketu in it > > Kind regards .. > > Jai Sita Ram > > Ram > > _____ > > lalkitab [lalkitab ] On Behalf > Of sleekhas > 20 July 2007 19:56 > lalkitab > [lalkitab] Re: marriage > > hi, > > position of shukra in eight and moon in seventh and rahu in fifth > makes as person prone/attarated to opposite sex badly, and also > predictes urinery problems. > > Boy will definatly get married after enjoying life. Be sure he > should not get married at the age of 25. > > as per the star position your house/door may be painted green. your > refer must be containing wine bottles of green colour. > > jupiter in 12th says that boys father is suffering from breathing > problem. sun in eighth any legal issue going on?? > > please tell this boy to wash his private places with curd. > Donate food to blind peoples. > > regards, > leekha s. > > lalkitab@ <lalkitab%40> s.com, RV > <ndverma02139@> wrote: > > > > dob 25-8-1984 - at 5.35 pm - London uk > > if any one can predict when this boy will get > > marriage. will it be arranged or love marriage. more > > over his marriage will be succesful or not. > > please write me in full detail. thanks > > ndverma02139@ > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 22, 2007 Dear Chandrashekhar, You are so considerate, you never become inpatient, and I enjoy reading your posts. You said, diplomatically, LOL!,in response to my post " ...and the Jataka equally unyielding (nothing to do with you) " and that made me smile- yes, dear friend, it does have to do a lot with me- big time! Right on the spot. I feel that very reason makes some jataks fail to see their share in the problem, feeling 'victimized' only, 'culprit' part being fogged. No wonder there are so many relationship problems! Best wishes, Anna Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: Dear Anna, It is kind of you to say that. You are right, Sun in the 7th many a times indicates problems in marriage as the spouse may be too dominating and the Jataka equally unyielding (nothing to do with you). Chandrashekhar. 108ar wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekhar and Prafulla, > > You both wrote an excellent and educative essay on marriage, thank you. > Strangely, Chandarshekhar explained it more in terms of equality, > first and seventh aspecting each other, while Prafulla brought to > light the fact that man is under the significant amount of pressure > wrt marriage and family. This is still the case nowadays, if not more, > marriage with its all fruits and consequences, heavily obliges man and > that's often intimidating for man how many duties he has to accept, > struggle in society for work, to be provider, role model, sustainer. I > honestly believe that life is increasingly more complex and difficult > for a man than for a woman nowadays. > Besides they have never been 'stronger sex /IMO/ > > On astro-level, stronger 7th H may indicate dominating partner, which > is not necessarily a bad thing. Which depends on other strengths- in a > horoscope of one person who wants to be led, likes benefits of > submissiveness, Sun in 7th for ex. may not be bad at all. In another > case, when entire horoscope indicates fiercely independent person, Sun > in seventh may indicate bad power struggles and lack of mutual > understanding, leading to divorce. My 2ct., Sun-in-seventh-experience. > > Love, > Anna > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish <jyotish%40inbox.com>> wrote: > Dear Bharat ji and Chandrasekhar ji, > > Though Parashar has rferred 7th house for marriage, but Uttarkalammrit > has hinted 7th house to0 decide construction and sensitivity of his > sexual organs. > > Mridula Trivedi has once gave an interesting view on 7th house as > marriage house: > > marriage has strong relationship with social discipline born out of an > individual need for companionship and love and the urge to procreate. > It is the middle house in horoscope sandwitched between house of enemy > and death. After marriage, native enters into another realm of life. A > host of factors compel him to view his life from different > perspective. The family must be protected, nurtured, flourished and > saved from a host of enemies (so man has to gear up to a defensive > posture for social, economic and external factors). Ans he has to keep > his stance up throughout his life and is liberated only after his death. > > if one looks at swyamwar marriage, king has to fight with enemies to > get his bride; and failure might mean his death. > > regards / Prafulla > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > There is no authority which has explained why this is so. However as > you > > asked me to throw some light on this, I shall give my opinion on why > > this is so. > > > > Marriage in true hindu sense is when two individual not only marry but > > get transformed into each other's image. That is why lagna and 7th > bhava > > are opposite each other and though opposing they are complimentary. So > > after marriage the groom gives up some of his likes and dislikes and so > > does the bride. They also accept each other's traits. That is when they > > merge. Once the merger takes place the marriage is complete in real > > sense. We see that occupants of both the bhavas aspect each other by > > full 7th house aspect and thus are capable of mutual influence. having > > merged, it becomes necessary to find the initiation of rasi dasha by > > finding out which is the stronger of the two bhavas as both become > > material but the one that has changed the least will be the guiding > > light for events to unfold in future. > > > > These are my personal views on the subject and others could view it > in a > > different manner. > > > > Take care, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Sri Chandrashekharji > > > > > > Can you please expand upon it and give me a deeper understanding? > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > Bharat > > > > > > On 7/18/07, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > > > > > You may also like to think about the fact that in rasi dashas, the > > > > stronger between the Lagna and the 7th bhava is considered to > give the > > > > first dasha. So they do represent each other as do two partners in > > > > marriage. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri Chandrashekharji > > > > > > > > > > True, I misread his email. > > > > > > > > > > 7th house interpretation bugged me for a long time : Why would > Rishis > > > > > call the house of marriage also as the house of markesh. One > day this > > > > came > > > > > as a thought to me, which made sense. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > On 7/18/07, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk><chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk> > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Venkatachala asked, in the original thread, what > constitutes > > > > > > marriage in astrology in the modern days. I do not remember he > > > writing > > > > > > about how marriage should be lived, or if he did then that > question > > > > > > should go to the Dharma shastra lists if any. > > > > > > > > > > > > Your point of the reason for 7th being marakesha and also > bhava of > > > > > > spouse is an interesting interpretation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri Chandrashekharji and Sri Venkatachalaji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The role of marriage is to expand from the lower I thinking > > > > (egoistic, > > > > > > > individualistic and selfish thinking) to a slightly bigger I > > > > (wherein > > > > > > the > > > > > > > " I " encompasses both the person and his/her spouse). The > > > > > > > identification with > > > > > > > another breaks the singular individuality into a slightly > larger > > > > > > > " duality " . > > > > > > > The purpose of a human life is to understand the whole as > true > > > " I " . > > > > > > > Marriage > > > > > > > becomes a very important step in the same. I agree with Sri > > > > > > > Venkatachalaji's > > > > > > > thinking that the marriage needs to " lived " successfully > to be > > > known > > > > > > > so. It > > > > > > > is this that would serve the true purpose of a marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps, because of its killing of " individuality " nature, > it is > > > > given > > > > > > the > > > > > > > same house as is the markesh. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just the desire to have a long marriage would not suffice for > > > > marriage > > > > > > if > > > > > > > one does not renounce one's likes and dislikes and follow what > > > > > needs to > > > > > > be > > > > > > > done and what needs to be accepted OR does not perform actions > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > one's desires. Maybe we can alter by saying - That the > desire is > > > > there > > > > > > and > > > > > > > the understanding of the necessity of action and acceptance, > > > > wherever > > > > > > > required. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I may be wrong too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/18/07, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk><chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk> > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk><chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk> > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Venkatachala Pathi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am younger than you and if my response pleases you it is > > > my good > > > > > > > > fortune. I am yet a student of this divine science and > hope to > > > > > remain > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > till the end of my life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have replied, in the way that I did, for a very specific > > > reason. > > > > > > Your > > > > > > > > query was about how to look at marriage as understood by > Vedic > > > > > > scholars > > > > > > > > with reference to the present day scenario, or words to that > > > > effect. > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > then though Kanyaa is given in Dana the Putra is not and > both do > > > > get > > > > > > > > married. So I think the loss and gain part may not be > > > universally > > > > > > > > applicable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then how to relate this to the modern trend of live-in > partners > > > > and > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > sex marriages? The last two of the variety of them can not > > > begin a > > > > > > > > Kutumba at all. And then there are casual relationships > that are > > > > > based > > > > > > > > on income to one and loss to other. So I would not think > > > > > that2nd, 11th > > > > > > > > and 7th need necessarily have to be involved in > marriages in the > > > > > > modern > > > > > > > > reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As you say, the marriage begins when they live together, no > > > doubt > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > that. But then the question is whether we consider a > > > marriage that > > > > > > > > breaks within a week or a day as a marriage or an affair? > > > This is > > > > so > > > > > > > > because in modern days some may live for some days together > > > > > purely on > > > > > > > > financial consideration and with no intention of getting > > > married. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is why, I think the necessary element is the desire to > > > > > spend life > > > > > > > > together has to be there at the time of marriage of living > > > > together, > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > that to be considered as a marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this definition is more appropriate as the > jataka and > > > > Spouse > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > in 1 and 7 bhava and these two bhava cause a sort of > merger or > > > > > > exchange > > > > > > > > of habits over a sufficiently long period spent > together. So the > > > > > > husband > > > > > > > > gives up some of his dislikes and likes and accepts > those of the > > > > > wife > > > > > > > > and vice-a-versa. The lagna is the bhava of birth which > is the > > > > state > > > > > > > > after death and the 7th is the Maraka sthana so > equivalent of > > > > death, > > > > > > > > which leads to beginning of the process of birth. Or if the > > > > > > terminology > > > > > > > > is too harsh, lagna is the rise of Sun, that has to set at > > > the 7th > > > > > > bhava > > > > > > > > and the 7th bhava is the setting of Sun that has to rise > in the > > > > > Lagna. > > > > > > > > So the bhavas have to merge and so do the parties to the > > > marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So in the example provided by you, if the person did not > > > have any > > > > > > > > intention to remain with his partner for life, I would > not treat > > > > > that > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > marriage, but an affair. Some astrologers prefer to look at > > > > affairs > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > A7 and spouse from UL. I think they are right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course these are my personal views and I could be wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > venkatachala pathi wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr. Chandrasekarji, > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a great day in my 78 years of age to have a > > > message from > > > > a > > > > > > > > > great astrologer like you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your reply is 'partially' correct. While in Vedic > > > Astrology, the > > > > > > term > > > > > > > > > 'marriage' is the 'Union " of two people of opposite > sex to be > > > > > > traced. > > > > > > > > > (now a days we also have to look into variety of 'unions' > > > > > crept into > > > > > > > > > modern society - and, is it possible to find in Vedic > > > Astrology > > > > of > > > > > > > > > these strange 'unions'?). this is referred to by one > of us as > > > > > > 'Kannika > > > > > > > > > Dhan'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Dhan' itself is loss ( or moving away from ones > ownership) to > > > > one > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > gain to other. That is the reason along with 2nd house > > > (Kudumba) > > > > + > > > > > > 7th > > > > > > > > > House (Partnership) and 11 house the house of gain is > > > 'largely' > > > > > > > > > considered. But that DOES NOT COMPLETE THE MARRIAGE. > > > > > > > > > The 'marriage' is complete only when they 'live' together, > > > > 'unite' > > > > > > > > > together' and 'progress' together. So the ceremony of > > > > > 'marriage' and > > > > > > > > > in any religion it is a formal declaration and not > 'complete' > > > > > in all > > > > > > > > > respects as quoted above. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My request is if these three segments are necessary to > > > > > 'complete' a > > > > > > > > > marriage, how you find these together to happen on the > given > > > > > time in > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > horoscope, and what are the contributions by position, by > > > > > portfolio, > > > > > > > > > and by inter relationship among Planets, Star Zone etc in > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > as reached in DP,BP,SP,ASP to arrive at it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is because, one male involved in one segment of three > > > > listed > > > > > > > > > above and claimed that he is not married. I explained his > > > > > period of > > > > > > > > > involvement and the troubles he will experience (which > has > > > been > > > > > > proved > > > > > > > > > beyond any iota of doubt) in last 1 year 2 months. His > parent > > > > > > (unaware > > > > > > > > > of this) is planning for his marriage. In my parlance his > > > > > 'marriage' > > > > > > > > > or 'marriages' are over (and one segment of said > > > 'marriage' will > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > to continue) and only the spouse could not be 'fixed', > and the > > > > > > result > > > > > > > > > of the (2nd house portfolio) could not be fulfilled. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, I am greatly involved in further deductions to him, > > > and look > > > > > > > > > forward to all in this forum to help me how further > this could > > > > be > > > > > > > > > analyzed. (I think the details of horoscope is not > > > necessary, as > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > a 'generalized' analysis). I will take this thereon > from your > > > > > guide > > > > > > > > lines. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to take your precious time, and your advise will > be of > > > > great > > > > > > > > > help to all in this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pathi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > > > > > > Hindu Vedic Astrologer, > > > > > > > > > 103, Black Tie Lane, Chapal Hill, > > > > > > > > > NC 27514. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Presently at Chennai India > > > > > > > > > Ph 044-23710500 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in > alternative > > > > > > vehicles. > > > > > > > > > Visit the Auto Green Center. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 22, 2007 Dear Anna, You are too kind to say that. Chandrashekhar. 108ar wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > You are so considerate, you never become inpatient, and I enjoy > reading your posts. > You said, diplomatically, LOL!,in response to my post " ...and the > Jataka equally unyielding (nothing to do with you) " > and that made me smile- yes, dear friend, it does have to do a lot > with me- big time! Right on the spot. > I feel that very reason makes some jataks fail to see their share in > the problem, feeling 'victimized' only, 'culprit' part being fogged. > No wonder there are so many relationship problems! > Best wishes, > Anna > > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > Dear Anna, > > It is kind of you to say that. You are right, Sun in the 7th many a > times indicates problems in marriage as the spouse may be too dominating > and the Jataka equally unyielding (nothing to do with you). > > Chandrashekhar. > > 108ar wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar and Prafulla, > > > > You both wrote an excellent and educative essay on marriage, thank you. > > Strangely, Chandarshekhar explained it more in terms of equality, > > first and seventh aspecting each other, while Prafulla brought to > > light the fact that man is under the significant amount of pressure > > wrt marriage and family. This is still the case nowadays, if not more, > > marriage with its all fruits and consequences, heavily obliges man and > > that's often intimidating for man how many duties he has to accept, > > struggle in society for work, to be provider, role model, sustainer. I > > honestly believe that life is increasingly more complex and difficult > > for a man than for a woman nowadays. > > Besides they have never been 'stronger sex /IMO/ > > > > On astro-level, stronger 7th H may indicate dominating partner, which > > is not necessarily a bad thing. Which depends on other strengths- in a > > horoscope of one person who wants to be led, likes benefits of > > submissiveness, Sun in 7th for ex. may not be bad at all. In another > > case, when entire horoscope indicates fiercely independent person, Sun > > in seventh may indicate bad power struggles and lack of mutual > > understanding, leading to divorce. My 2ct., Sun-in-seventh-experience. > > > > Love, > > Anna > > > > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish <jyotish%40inbox.com> > <jyotish%40inbox.com>> wrote: > > Dear Bharat ji and Chandrasekhar ji, > > > > Though Parashar has rferred 7th house for marriage, but Uttarkalammrit > > has hinted 7th house to0 decide construction and sensitivity of his > > sexual organs. > > > > Mridula Trivedi has once gave an interesting view on 7th house as > > marriage house: > > > > marriage has strong relationship with social discipline born out of an > > individual need for companionship and love and the urge to procreate. > > It is the middle house in horoscope sandwitched between house of enemy > > and death. After marriage, native enters into another realm of life. A > > host of factors compel him to view his life from different > > perspective. The family must be protected, nurtured, flourished and > > saved from a host of enemies (so man has to gear up to a defensive > > posture for social, economic and external factors). Ans he has to keep > > his stance up throughout his life and is liberated only after his death. > > > > if one looks at swyamwar marriage, king has to fight with enemies to > > get his bride; and failure might mean his death. > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > <%40> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > > > There is no authority which has explained why this is so. However as > > you > > > asked me to throw some light on this, I shall give my opinion on why > > > this is so. > > > > > > Marriage in true hindu sense is when two individual not only marry but > > > get transformed into each other's image. That is why lagna and 7th > > bhava > > > are opposite each other and though opposing they are complimentary. So > > > after marriage the groom gives up some of his likes and dislikes > and so > > > does the bride. They also accept each other's traits. That is when > they > > > merge. Once the merger takes place the marriage is complete in real > > > sense. We see that occupants of both the bhavas aspect each other by > > > full 7th house aspect and thus are capable of mutual influence. having > > > merged, it becomes necessary to find the initiation of rasi dasha by > > > finding out which is the stronger of the two bhavas as both become > > > material but the one that has changed the least will be the guiding > > > light for events to unfold in future. > > > > > > These are my personal views on the subject and others could view it > > in a > > > different manner. > > > > > > Take care, > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri Chandrashekharji > > > > > > > > Can you please expand upon it and give me a deeper understanding? > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > On 7/18/07, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > > > > > > > You may also like to think about the fact that in rasi dashas, the > > > > > stronger between the Lagna and the 7th bhava is considered to > > give the > > > > > first dasha. So they do represent each other as do two partners in > > > > > marriage. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri Chandrashekharji > > > > > > > > > > > > True, I misread his email. > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th house interpretation bugged me for a long time : Why would > > Rishis > > > > > > call the house of marriage also as the house of markesh. One > > day this > > > > > came > > > > > > as a thought to me, which made sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/18/07, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk><chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk> > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Venkatachala asked, in the original thread, what > > constitutes > > > > > > > marriage in astrology in the modern days. I do not remember he > > > > writing > > > > > > > about how marriage should be lived, or if he did then that > > question > > > > > > > should go to the Dharma shastra lists if any. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your point of the reason for 7th being marakesha and also > > bhava of > > > > > > > spouse is an interesting interpretation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri Chandrashekharji and Sri Venkatachalaji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The role of marriage is to expand from the lower I thinking > > > > > (egoistic, > > > > > > > > individualistic and selfish thinking) to a slightly bigger I > > > > > (wherein > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > " I " encompasses both the person and his/her spouse). The > > > > > > > > identification with > > > > > > > > another breaks the singular individuality into a slightly > > larger > > > > > > > > " duality " . > > > > > > > > The purpose of a human life is to understand the whole as > > true > > > > " I " . > > > > > > > > Marriage > > > > > > > > becomes a very important step in the same. I agree with Sri > > > > > > > > Venkatachalaji's > > > > > > > > thinking that the marriage needs to " lived " successfully > > to be > > > > known > > > > > > > > so. It > > > > > > > > is this that would serve the true purpose of a marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps, because of its killing of " individuality " nature, > > it is > > > > > given > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > same house as is the markesh. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just the desire to have a long marriage would not > suffice for > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > one does not renounce one's likes and dislikes and > follow what > > > > > > needs to > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > done and what needs to be accepted OR does not perform > actions > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > one's desires. Maybe we can alter by saying - That the > > desire is > > > > > there > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > the understanding of the necessity of action and acceptance, > > > > > wherever > > > > > > > > required. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I may be wrong too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/18/07, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk><chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk> > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk><chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk> > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Venkatachala Pathi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am younger than you and if my response pleases you it is > > > > my good > > > > > > > > > fortune. I am yet a student of this divine science and > > hope to > > > > > > remain > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > till the end of my life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have replied, in the way that I did, for a very specific > > > > reason. > > > > > > > Your > > > > > > > > > query was about how to look at marriage as understood by > > Vedic > > > > > > > scholars > > > > > > > > > with reference to the present day scenario, or words > to that > > > > > effect. > > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > > then though Kanyaa is given in Dana the Putra is not and > > both do > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > married. So I think the loss and gain part may not be > > > > universally > > > > > > > > > applicable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then how to relate this to the modern trend of live-in > > partners > > > > > and > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > sex marriages? The last two of the variety of them can not > > > > begin a > > > > > > > > > Kutumba at all. And then there are casual relationships > > that are > > > > > > based > > > > > > > > > on income to one and loss to other. So I would not think > > > > > > that2nd, 11th > > > > > > > > > and 7th need necessarily have to be involved in > > marriages in the > > > > > > > modern > > > > > > > > > reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As you say, the marriage begins when they live > together, no > > > > doubt > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > that. But then the question is whether we consider a > > > > marriage that > > > > > > > > > breaks within a week or a day as a marriage or an affair? > > > > This is > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > because in modern days some may live for some days > together > > > > > > purely on > > > > > > > > > financial consideration and with no intention of getting > > > > married. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is why, I think the necessary element is the > desire to > > > > > > spend life > > > > > > > > > together has to be there at the time of marriage of living > > > > > together, > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > that to be considered as a marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this definition is more appropriate as the > > jataka and > > > > > Spouse > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > in 1 and 7 bhava and these two bhava cause a sort of > > merger or > > > > > > > exchange > > > > > > > > > of habits over a sufficiently long period spent > > together. So the > > > > > > > husband > > > > > > > > > gives up some of his dislikes and likes and accepts > > those of the > > > > > > wife > > > > > > > > > and vice-a-versa. The lagna is the bhava of birth which > > is the > > > > > state > > > > > > > > > after death and the 7th is the Maraka sthana so > > equivalent of > > > > > death, > > > > > > > > > which leads to beginning of the process of birth. Or > if the > > > > > > > terminology > > > > > > > > > is too harsh, lagna is the rise of Sun, that has to set at > > > > the 7th > > > > > > > bhava > > > > > > > > > and the 7th bhava is the setting of Sun that has to rise > > in the > > > > > > Lagna. > > > > > > > > > So the bhavas have to merge and so do the parties to the > > > > marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So in the example provided by you, if the person did not > > > > have any > > > > > > > > > intention to remain with his partner for life, I would > > not treat > > > > > > that > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > marriage, but an affair. Some astrologers prefer to > look at > > > > > affairs > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > A7 and spouse from UL. I think they are right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course these are my personal views and I could be > wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > venkatachala pathi wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr. Chandrasekarji, > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a great day in my 78 years of age to have a > > > > message from > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > great astrologer like you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your reply is 'partially' correct. While in Vedic > > > > Astrology, the > > > > > > > term > > > > > > > > > > 'marriage' is the 'Union " of two people of opposite > > sex to be > > > > > > > traced. > > > > > > > > > > (now a days we also have to look into variety of > 'unions' > > > > > > crept into > > > > > > > > > > modern society - and, is it possible to find in Vedic > > > > Astrology > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > these strange 'unions'?). this is referred to by one > > of us as > > > > > > > 'Kannika > > > > > > > > > > Dhan'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Dhan' itself is loss ( or moving away from ones > > ownership) to > > > > > one > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > gain to other. That is the reason along with 2nd house > > > > (Kudumba) > > > > > + > > > > > > > 7th > > > > > > > > > > House (Partnership) and 11 house the house of gain is > > > > 'largely' > > > > > > > > > > considered. But that DOES NOT COMPLETE THE MARRIAGE. > > > > > > > > > > The 'marriage' is complete only when they 'live' > together, > > > > > 'unite' > > > > > > > > > > together' and 'progress' together. So the ceremony of > > > > > > 'marriage' and > > > > > > > > > > in any religion it is a formal declaration and not > > 'complete' > > > > > > in all > > > > > > > > > > respects as quoted above. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My request is if these three segments are necessary to > > > > > > 'complete' a > > > > > > > > > > marriage, how you find these together to happen on the > > given > > > > > > time in > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > horoscope, and what are the contributions by > position, by > > > > > > portfolio, > > > > > > > > > > and by inter relationship among Planets, Star Zone > etc in > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > as reached in DP,BP,SP,ASP to arrive at it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is because, one male involved in one segment of > three > > > > > listed > > > > > > > > > > above and claimed that he is not married. I > explained his > > > > > > period of > > > > > > > > > > involvement and the troubles he will experience (which > > has > > > > been > > > > > > > proved > > > > > > > > > > beyond any iota of doubt) in last 1 year 2 months. His > > parent > > > > > > > (unaware > > > > > > > > > > of this) is planning for his marriage. In my > parlance his > > > > > > 'marriage' > > > > > > > > > > or 'marriages' are over (and one segment of said > > > > 'marriage' will > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > to continue) and only the spouse could not be 'fixed', > > and the > > > > > > > result > > > > > > > > > > of the (2nd house portfolio) could not be fulfilled. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, I am greatly involved in further deductions to him, > > > > and look > > > > > > > > > > forward to all in this forum to help me how further > > this could > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > analyzed. (I think the details of horoscope is not > > > > necessary, as > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > a 'generalized' analysis). I will take this thereon > > from your > > > > > > guide > > > > > > > > > lines. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to take your precious time, and your advise will > > be of > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > help to all in this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pathi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > > > > > > > Hindu Vedic Astrologer, > > > > > > > > > > 103, Black Tie Lane, Chapal Hill, > > > > > > > > > > NC 27514. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Presently at Chennai India > > > > > > > > > > Ph 044-23710500 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in > > alternative > > > > > > > vehicles. > > > > > > > > > > Visit the Auto Green Center. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 22, 2007 Dear Anna, Be kind to others too,maybe a little, but does not matter. best wishes, and awaiting your kindness, Bhaskar. , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Anna, > > You are too kind to say that. > > Chandrashekhar. > > 108ar wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > You are so considerate, you never become inpatient, and I enjoy > > reading your posts. > > You said, diplomatically, LOL!,in response to my post " ...and the > > Jataka equally unyielding (nothing to do with you) " > > and that made me smile- yes, dear friend, it does have to do a lot > > with me- big time! Right on the spot. > > I feel that very reason makes some jataks fail to see their share in > > the problem, feeling 'victimized' only, 'culprit' part being fogged. > > No wonder there are so many relationship problems! > > Best wishes, > > Anna > > > > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > Dear Anna, > > > > It is kind of you to say that. You are right, Sun in the 7th many a > > times indicates problems in marriage as the spouse may be too dominating > > and the Jataka equally unyielding (nothing to do with you). > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > 108ar wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar and Prafulla, > > > > > > You both wrote an excellent and educative essay on marriage, thank you. > > > Strangely, Chandarshekhar explained it more in terms of equality, > > > first and seventh aspecting each other, while Prafulla brought to > > > light the fact that man is under the significant amount of pressure > > > wrt marriage and family. This is still the case nowadays, if not more, > > > marriage with its all fruits and consequences, heavily obliges man and > > > that's often intimidating for man how many duties he has to accept, > > > struggle in society for work, to be provider, role model, sustainer. I > > > honestly believe that life is increasingly more complex and difficult > > > for a man than for a woman nowadays. > > > Besides they have never been 'stronger sex /IMO/ > > > > > > On astro-level, stronger 7th H may indicate dominating partner, which > > > is not necessarily a bad thing. Which depends on other strengths- in a > > > horoscope of one person who wants to be led, likes benefits of > > > submissiveness, Sun in 7th for ex. may not be bad at all. In another > > > case, when entire horoscope indicates fiercely independent person, Sun > > > in seventh may indicate bad power struggles and lack of mutual > > > understanding, leading to divorce. My 2ct., Sun-in-seventh-experience. > > > > > > Love, > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish <jyotish%40inbox.com> > > <jyotish%40inbox.com>> wrote: > > > Dear Bharat ji and Chandrasekhar ji, > > > > > > Though Parashar has rferred 7th house for marriage, but Uttarkalammrit > > > has hinted 7th house to0 decide construction and sensitivity of his > > > sexual organs. > > > > > > Mridula Trivedi has once gave an interesting view on 7th house as > > > marriage house: > > > > > > marriage has strong relationship with social discipline born out of an > > > individual need for companionship and love and the urge to procreate. > > > It is the middle house in horoscope sandwitched between house of enemy > > > and death. After marriage, native enters into another realm of life. A > > > host of factors compel him to view his life from different > > > perspective. The family must be protected, nurtured, flourished and > > > saved from a host of enemies (so man has to gear up to a defensive > > > posture for social, economic and external factors). Ans he has to keep > > > his stance up throughout his life and is liberated only after his death. > > > > > > if one looks at swyamwar marriage, king has to fight with enemies to > > > get his bride; and failure might mean his death. > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > > > > > There is no authority which has explained why this is so. However as > > > you > > > > asked me to throw some light on this, I shall give my opinion on why > > > > this is so. > > > > > > > > Marriage in true hindu sense is when two individual not only marry but > > > > get transformed into each other's image. That is why lagna and 7th > > > bhava > > > > are opposite each other and though opposing they are complimentary. So > > > > after marriage the groom gives up some of his likes and dislikes > > and so > > > > does the bride. They also accept each other's traits. That is when > > they > > > > merge. Once the merger takes place the marriage is complete in real > > > > sense. We see that occupants of both the bhavas aspect each other by > > > > full 7th house aspect and thus are capable of mutual influence. having > > > > merged, it becomes necessary to find the initiation of rasi dasha by > > > > finding out which is the stronger of the two bhavas as both become > > > > material but the one that has changed the least will be the guiding > > > > light for events to unfold in future. > > > > > > > > These are my personal views on the subject and others could view it > > > in a > > > > different manner. > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri Chandrashekharji > > > > > > > > > > Can you please expand upon it and give me a deeper understanding? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > On 7/18/07, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@ > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > > > > > > > > > You may also like to think about the fact that in rasi dashas, the > > > > > > stronger between the Lagna and the 7th bhava is considered to > > > give the > > > > > > first dasha. So they do represent each other as do two partners in > > > > > > marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri Chandrashekharji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > True, I misread his email. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th house interpretation bugged me for a long time : Why would > > > Rishis > > > > > > > call the house of marriage also as the house of markesh. One > > > day this > > > > > > came > > > > > > > as a thought to me, which made sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/18/07, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@ > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk><chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk> > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Venkatachala asked, in the original thread, what > > > constitutes > > > > > > > > marriage in astrology in the modern days. I do not remember he > > > > > writing > > > > > > > > about how marriage should be lived, or if he did then that > > > question > > > > > > > > should go to the Dharma shastra lists if any. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your point of the reason for 7th being marakesha and also > > > bhava of > > > > > > > > spouse is an interesting interpretation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri Chandrashekharji and Sri Venkatachalaji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The role of marriage is to expand from the lower I thinking > > > > > > (egoistic, > > > > > > > > > individualistic and selfish thinking) to a slightly bigger I > > > > > > (wherein > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > " I " encompasses both the person and his/her spouse). The > > > > > > > > > identification with > > > > > > > > > another breaks the singular individuality into a slightly > > > larger > > > > > > > > > " duality " . > > > > > > > > > The purpose of a human life is to understand the whole as > > > true > > > > > " I " . > > > > > > > > > Marriage > > > > > > > > > becomes a very important step in the same. I agree with Sri > > > > > > > > > Venkatachalaji's > > > > > > > > > thinking that the marriage needs to " lived " successfully > > > to be > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > so. It > > > > > > > > > is this that would serve the true purpose of a marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps, because of its killing of " individuality " nature, > > > it is > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > same house as is the markesh. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just the desire to have a long marriage would not > > suffice for > > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > one does not renounce one's likes and dislikes and > > follow what > > > > > > > needs to > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > done and what needs to be accepted OR does not perform > > actions > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > one's desires. Maybe we can alter by saying - That the > > > desire is > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > the understanding of the necessity of action and acceptance, > > > > > > wherever > > > > > > > > > required. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I may be wrong too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/18/07, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@ > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk><chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk><chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk> > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Venkatachala Pathi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am younger than you and if my response pleases you it is > > > > > my good > > > > > > > > > > fortune. I am yet a student of this divine science and > > > hope to > > > > > > > remain > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > till the end of my life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have replied, in the way that I did, for a very specific > > > > > reason. > > > > > > > > Your > > > > > > > > > > query was about how to look at marriage as understood by > > > Vedic > > > > > > > > scholars > > > > > > > > > > with reference to the present day scenario, or words > > to that > > > > > > effect. > > > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > > > then though Kanyaa is given in Dana the Putra is not and > > > both do > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > married. So I think the loss and gain part may not be > > > > > universally > > > > > > > > > > applicable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then how to relate this to the modern trend of live-in > > > partners > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > sex marriages? The last two of the variety of them can not > > > > > begin a > > > > > > > > > > Kutumba at all. And then there are casual relationships > > > that are > > > > > > > based > > > > > > > > > > on income to one and loss to other. So I would not think > > > > > > > that2nd, 11th > > > > > > > > > > and 7th need necessarily have to be involved in > > > marriages in the > > > > > > > > modern > > > > > > > > > > reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As you say, the marriage begins when they live > > together, no > > > > > doubt > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > that. But then the question is whether we consider a > > > > > marriage that > > > > > > > > > > breaks within a week or a day as a marriage or an affair? > > > > > This is > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > because in modern days some may live for some days > > together > > > > > > > purely on > > > > > > > > > > financial consideration and with no intention of getting > > > > > married. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is why, I think the necessary element is the > > desire to > > > > > > > spend life > > > > > > > > > > together has to be there at the time of marriage of living > > > > > > together, > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > that to be considered as a marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this definition is more appropriate as the > > > jataka and > > > > > > Spouse > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > in 1 and 7 bhava and these two bhava cause a sort of > > > merger or > > > > > > > > exchange > > > > > > > > > > of habits over a sufficiently long period spent > > > together. So the > > > > > > > > husband > > > > > > > > > > gives up some of his dislikes and likes and accepts > > > those of the > > > > > > > wife > > > > > > > > > > and vice-a-versa. The lagna is the bhava of birth which > > > is the > > > > > > state > > > > > > > > > > after death and the 7th is the Maraka sthana so > > > equivalent of > > > > > > death, > > > > > > > > > > which leads to beginning of the process of birth. Or > > if the > > > > > > > > terminology > > > > > > > > > > is too harsh, lagna is the rise of Sun, that has to set at > > > > > the 7th > > > > > > > > bhava > > > > > > > > > > and the 7th bhava is the setting of Sun that has to rise > > > in the > > > > > > > Lagna. > > > > > > > > > > So the bhavas have to merge and so do the parties to the > > > > > marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So in the example provided by you, if the person did not > > > > > have any > > > > > > > > > > intention to remain with his partner for life, I would > > > not treat > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > marriage, but an affair. Some astrologers prefer to > > look at > > > > > > affairs > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > A7 and spouse from UL. I think they are right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course these are my personal views and I could be > > wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > venkatachala pathi wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr. Chandrasekarji, > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a great day in my 78 years of age to have a > > > > > message from > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > great astrologer like you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your reply is 'partially' correct. While in Vedic > > > > > Astrology, the > > > > > > > > term > > > > > > > > > > > 'marriage' is the 'Union " of two people of opposite > > > sex to be > > > > > > > > traced. > > > > > > > > > > > (now a days we also have to look into variety of > > 'unions' > > > > > > > crept into > > > > > > > > > > > modern society - and, is it possible to find in Vedic > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > these strange 'unions'?). this is referred to by one > > > of us as > > > > > > > > 'Kannika > > > > > > > > > > > Dhan'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Dhan' itself is loss ( or moving away from ones > > > ownership) to > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > gain to other. That is the reason along with 2nd house > > > > > (Kudumba) > > > > > > + > > > > > > > > 7th > > > > > > > > > > > House (Partnership) and 11 house the house of gain is > > > > > 'largely' > > > > > > > > > > > considered. But that DOES NOT COMPLETE THE MARRIAGE. > > > > > > > > > > > The 'marriage' is complete only when they 'live' > > together, > > > > > > 'unite' > > > > > > > > > > > together' and 'progress' together. So the ceremony of > > > > > > > 'marriage' and > > > > > > > > > > > in any religion it is a formal declaration and not > > > 'complete' > > > > > > > in all > > > > > > > > > > > respects as quoted above. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My request is if these three segments are necessary to > > > > > > > 'complete' a > > > > > > > > > > > marriage, how you find these together to happen on the > > > given > > > > > > > time in > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope, and what are the contributions by > > position, by > > > > > > > portfolio, > > > > > > > > > > > and by inter relationship among Planets, Star Zone > > etc in > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > as reached in DP,BP,SP,ASP to arrive at it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is because, one male involved in one segment of > > three > > > > > > listed > > > > > > > > > > > above and claimed that he is not married. I > > explained his > > > > > > > period of > > > > > > > > > > > involvement and the troubles he will experience (which > > > has > > > > > been > > > > > > > > proved > > > > > > > > > > > beyond any iota of doubt) in last 1 year 2 months. His > > > parent > > > > > > > > (unaware > > > > > > > > > > > of this) is planning for his marriage. In my > > parlance his > > > > > > > 'marriage' > > > > > > > > > > > or 'marriages' are over (and one segment of said > > > > > 'marriage' will > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > to continue) and only the spouse could not be 'fixed', > > > and the > > > > > > > > result > > > > > > > > > > > of the (2nd house portfolio) could not be fulfilled. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, I am greatly involved in further deductions to him, > > > > > and look > > > > > > > > > > > forward to all in this forum to help me how further > > > this could > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > analyzed. (I think the details of horoscope is not > > > > > necessary, as > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > a 'generalized' analysis). 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Guest guest Report post Posted July 25, 2007 dear sleekhas ji as you said that this boy will be prone to opposite sex badly is there any remedy to control / calm down this boy from girls. please help us and write me the solution so he will put more energy in study than girls. thanks / waiting for your reply eagrly. ndverma02139 --- sleekhas <sleekhas wrote: > hi, > > position of shukra in eight and moon in seventh and > rahu in fifth > makes as person prone/attarated to opposite sex > badly, and also > predictes urinery problems. > > Boy will definatly get married after enjoying life. > Be sure he > should not get married at the age of 25. > > as per the star position your house/door may be > painted green. your > refer must be containing wine bottles of green > colour. > > jupiter in 12th says that boys father is suffering > from breathing > problem. sun in eighth any legal issue going on?? > > please tell this boy to wash his private places with > curd. > Donate food to blind peoples. > > regards, > leekha s. > > > > > lalkitab , RV > <ndverma02139 wrote: > > > > dob 25-8-1984 - at 5.35 pm - London uk > > if any one can predict when this boy will get > > marriage. will it be arranged or love marriage. > more > > over his marriage will be succesful or not. > > please write me in full detail. thanks > > ndverma02139 > > > > > > > ___________________ > _______________ > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books? > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Search > > http://search./search? > fr=oni_on_mail & p=graduation+gifts & cs=bz > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Games. http://get.games./proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 31, 2007 hi, tell him to wash his private place with curd while taking bath. apply little curd on pp and wash it with water afterward. for study donate 3 bannanas in temple sometimes. how is his health? regards, leekha s lalkitab , RV <ndverma02139 wrote: > > dear sleekhas ji > as you said that this boy will be > prone to oppositte sex badly > is there any remedy to > control / calm down this boy from girls. > please help us and write me the solution so he will > put more energy in study than girls. > thanks / waiting for your reply eagrly. > ndverma02139 > > > --- sleekhas <sleekhas wrote: > > > hi, > > > > position of shukra in eight and moon in seventh and > > rahu in fifth > > makes as person prone/attarated to opposite sex > > badly, and also > > predictes urinery problems. > > > > Boy will definatly get married after enjoying life. > > Be sure he > > should not get married at the age of 25. > > > > as per the star position your house/door may be > > painted green. your > > refer must be containing wine bottles of green > > colour. > > > > jupiter in 12th says that boys father is suffering > > from breathing > > problem. sun in eighth any legal issue going on?? > > > > please tell this boy to wash his private places with > > curd. > > Donate food to blind peoples. > > > > regards, > > leekha s. > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , RV > > <ndverma02139@> wrote: > > > > > > dob 25-8-1984 - at 5.35 pm - London uk > > > if any one can predict when this boy will get > > > marriage. will it be arranged or love marriage. > > more > > > over his marriage will be succesful or not. > > > please write me in full detail. thanks > > > ndverma02139@ > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ > > _______________ > > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books? > > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Search > > > http://search./search? > > fr=oni_on_mail & p=graduation+gifts & cs=bz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ _______________ > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Games. > http://get.games./proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 6, 2007 dear sir ji.jai siya ram some one told me that this boy will get love marriage.can you please check , if its true then is there any remedy to stop love marriage ..and can you please find out when he will be married.thanks ndverma02139 --- sleekhas <sleekhas wrote: > hi, > > position of shukra in eight and moon in seventh and > rahu in fifth > makes as person prone/attarated to opposite sex > badly, and also > predictes urinery problems. > > Boy will definatly get married after enjoying life. > Be sure he > should not get married at the age of 25. > > as per the star position your house/door may be > painted green. your > refer must be containing wine bottles of green > colour. > > jupiter in 12th says that boys father is suffering > from breathing > problem. sun in eighth any legal issue going on?? > > please tell this boy to wash his private places with > curd. > Donate food to blind peoples. > > regards, > leekha s. > > > > > lalkitab , RV > <ndverma02139 wrote: > > > > dob 25-8-1984 - at 5.35 pm - London uk > > if any one can predict when this boy will get > > marriage. will it be arranged or love marriage. > more > > over his marriage will be succesful or not. > > please write me in full detail. thanks > > ndverma02139 > > > > > > > ___________________ > _______________ > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books? > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Search > > http://search./search? > fr=oni_on_mail & p=graduation+gifts & cs=bz > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out. http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396545469 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 11, 2007 anand sir, in feb 2007 u predicted the following, but said event did not take place. could u re-analyse & make a new prediction. regards vishal , " Anand Srivatsa " <anandsrivatsa wrote: > > Hi Vishal, > > > In between the months from Apr15 through Jun6, you may get married. > > Analysis: > In D9 your 7H Lord is Jupiter in the Libra, being aspected by Ve from Tau > (12H) good for Venus to be in. Now you are running Ven MD Jup AD and during > Mo PD which are the above duration, you should get married. > > I would like you to Pray to SadaSHIVA till you get married, may good you > find the right one. > > Learned one, please correct me if I am Wrong. > > Thanks > Anand > > > On 3/2/07, vishalgreat28 <vishalgreat28 wrote: > > > > Namaskar Gurujis > > > > Date :28-09-1978 > > Time :5.30 p.m > > Place: Aurangabad (maharashtra) > > Rashi : karka > > Lagna : Kumbha > > Question : When Will I get married? > > > > Chart: > > fisrt place : kumbha lagna > > 2nd : ketu > > 6th : Jup Moon > > 7th : Sat > > 8th : Sun, Mer, Rah > > 9th : Ven,Mar > > 3rd, 4th, 5th, 10th ,11 th 12th > empty > > > > Regards > > > > Vishal > > > > > > > > > > -- > Thanks > Anand Srivatsa > http://www.anandsrivatsa.com > http://www.itworksww.com > password: guest > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 21, 2007 hare rama krsna Dear Preeti, 1. Did you have some affair/relationship before this one? 2. Are You good at Veda/Vedanga knowledge, or like poems and You are a lot of planner, thinking all the time? If not what abilities You have (to rectify D9)? With that time, You have Shukra in 12H in D9 which shows delayed married life. Generally when 7L from Shukra is Deb in D9 its bad, and Kali mantra is needed. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal Consultations & Articles: www.rohinaa.com Rohinaa Forum: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl brpsur napisał(a): Sir, I have a querry regading marriage . when i will get married. My details: Name: Preeti DOB : 12.08.1981 TOB : 02:10AM POB : Bhubaneswar (20n14 85e50) Please answer my querry. I have got a proposal having the following details: Name : rajesh DOB : 28.06.1977 TOB : 11:50PM POB : 21n56 86e43 Whether this proposal will lead to marriage. Thanks Preeti Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 21, 2007 Dear Preeti You shall get married between Apr 2009 and Mar 2010. Your marriage shall take place in Dasa of Moon. Acharya Balram , " brpsur " <brpsur wrote: > > Sir, > > I have a querry regading marriage . when i will get married. > > My details: > Name: Preeti > DOB : 12.08.1981 > TOB : 02:10AM > POB : Bhubaneswar (20n14 85e50) > > > Please answer my querry. > > > I have got a proposal having the following details: > Name : rajesh > DOB : 28.06.1977 > TOB : 11:50PM > POB : 21n56 86e43 > > Whether this proposal will lead to marriage. > > Thanks > Preeti > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
