Guest guest Report post Posted March 3, 2010 Rakesh Ji, Truth does not hurt anyone, although fools wedded to falsehood may imagine so. Truth (Sat) is not a matter of discussion, as you said, but a matter of first hand and direct encounter with one's real Existence. A single grain of untruth in one's own life at any level prevents the real Knowledge of Self. Many rascals have read Yogasutra and have learnt how to deliver attractive lectures about it. But I know some yogis who have attained some or more measure of Self Realization without any bookish knowledge of Patanjali or Kapil munis. Sincere effort is needed rather than bookish scholarship. Pothi padh padh jag muaa..... -VJ ======================= === , Rakesh Kumar <rakesh_771119 wrote: > > Dear RR Ji, > Your question regarding Vinay ji post (i) " I am nothing every thing is god " If I every thing is god is every thing then why " I " remaining as a nothing.is not a question of mental level.It relates to the refined stage of wisdom called " pragya " .and when a soul got the experience of self realization then the truth appeared it self.This question is not the matter of discussion but at last Vinay Ji has given a direction also that we can learn some thing very great through " Patanjali Yog Sutra " This is a authentic book on practical yoga science,but there are very rare who have the practical knowledge about it.I apologize if any of my comment hurt any body. > > Regards, > Rakesh Kumar > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 3, 2010 Hello Param Ji and members, Dreams what ever they might be if they help us,guide us and provide direction,it is fanatstci.Question is how common it is dream?(dream in sleep) in a subconscious state.? We know the lives v lead r never independent by them selves.we have a strong base in Astrology in the three lagnas(other wise sudarshan Chakra).Then stages of life that lead to growth and development.The process is one of attitude to attain to get ,to cherish and fulfil the life ambitions.It is gradual progression. Possibly some compromise some where in life(time vsambitions) needs to come into picture.This compromise is more or less a midlife crisis apart from lost goals and objectives with one of regrets etc. Crisis is a more strategy to understand and analyse that gives a true assessment and representation. Cirisis is the real confusion.This focuses first negative aspects and then feeds us positive elements to find a balance.This balance if positive our efforts give happiness and contentment.Dreams have been fulfilled and achieved to reflect on the past. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Tue, 3/2/10, Param Iqbal <param530 wrote: Param Iqbal <param530 Re: snake in dream Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 8:37 PM  Hi, RR Ji. In regards to your comment, regarding this subject. I just have to say, it is proven that every religion has special meaning when it comes to dreams of serpants, scorpians, snakes. Look at the mayan culture and the early Egyptian, Greek, Chinese and Roman culture. When you look at ancient history, and review the heiroglyphics, serpants were very important in the early ages of time and mankind. Animals, in general, were revered or abhorred. Snakes or serpants, since the beginning of time, have always had significance in every culture in some way, shape or form. There have medicinal and remedial effects created to fix the dire suffering from this. Egyptian cultures worshipped cats and thought it was a bad omen, if you killed one. Just recently in the news, they did a story on how they found a cat temple in Alexandria, ancient Egypt. http://www.guardian ..co.uk/science/ 2010/jan/ 19/egypt- cat-god-temple- bastet Although, I am sikh, married to a man from a different culture, who is very open-minded in the differences of the cultures and accepts that although there are differences in the religions, the basic fundamentals are the same. The omnipresent. Astrology has a link to both the religion as well as daily interactions of having your spiritual, emotional and physical being conjoined to meet with the Omnipresent. That is why we end up in our latter days, after having to go through a midlife crisis, becoming more spiritual with the hopes of going to our maker and have our karma justified. People genuinely ask astrologers to make us whole as a person and to end our sufferings so we can feel better, in the spiritual, metaphyisical and emotional way. WE want to be healed from our suffering There are great Muslim, Jewish, Catholic/Christian, and Sikh spiritualists/ healers. (i,e. who have faith in astrology and the power it brings-predictive or not. It is a true blessing. (i.e. Sant Isher Singh, predicted his own death and was a great spiritual healer who people revered from all over the world Nostradamus predicted WWI, II and 09/11. Mayan Astrology, and there is Chinese Feng Shui). In all these cases, studies have shown astrology is about healing, which these people were noted. Any epic stories, you hear all noblemen went to astrologers to predict what would happen in their lives, and did not do anything without their astrologers advise of yay or nay. Of course, people were killed over this too, i.e. Salem Witch hunt. Bottom line, dreams can help us to know what is going in our lives. Therefore, both astrology and dreams are simultaneous predictors of what is going through our life and ultimately deals with how can we as a human being heal our lives to get the next stage. Sorry for the long book, but I concur with KrishnanJi talking about the same thing over and over again..is really not that educational. Kind Regards, Param Kaur Grewal-Iqbal ____________ _________ _________ __ rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> Tue, March 2, 2010 4:48:31 PM Re: snake in dream Paramjit_jee, Please do not think of this question as an expression of flippancy, but if this were indeed true, Muslims, Christians, Jews and possibly a few other religious types would never dream of serpants! I am afraid, we might have to dig deeper than merely religious symbols of one religion (dominant as it may be in this world or at least this forum) in order to really explore and understand Randhra: The home of the Serpant Symbol! Regards, Rohiniranjan , Param Iqbal <param530@.. .> wrote: > > I agree. I was told if you dream of Snakes, it has to do with Shiv Ji. Therefore, when I used to have these dreams. It was recommended I go to to pray to Lord Shiva at a temple, and pour milk on him and ask for his guidance and I did. > > > Kind Regards, > > Param Kaur Iqbal > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Karan Kumari <architakhera@ ...> > > Sat, February 27, 2010 11:30:52 PM > Re: snake in dream > > > Dear raj > Why are u misleading people ? > > Dreams have great significance acc to ancient scriptures > > if u donot want to help stay aside. > > making fun of others feeling will make urself in trouble one day. > > archita > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Raj <rajbhardwaj1949@ .co. in> > > Sat, February 27, 2010 6:04:17 PM > Re: snake in dream > > > Dear Dev, > Watching snakes in dream is just like any other dream, please don't read too much into it. What if in the coming nights you dream about > Nehru,Gandhi, Aishwarya, Ravana, Lalu etc, and someone slaps you,someone gives you Rose, someone gives you abuses and then someone kisses you ?????? > > Raj Bhardwaj > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Mr Dev, > > Where r u situated.if near to Delhi,please perforform govardhan Parikrama.In case in south,visit and pray in Subrhamanayeswarar temple in Palani. > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > --- On Thu, 2/25/10, dev <vdev17@> wrote: > > > > dev <vdev17@> > > snake in dream > > > > Thursday, February 25, 2010, 11:17 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear astrologers: > > > >  > > > > I again had a snake dream again around 5 days back where I was there with another unknown person. The snake came to him and bit him. I was frightened but then it went back. I was happy. Pl clarify. > > > >  > > > > Dev > > > > 1-2-62 2.30am New Delhi > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > > > > Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers. > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 3, 2010 Thank you for the wonderful insight, Kind Regards, Param ________________________________ Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb Tue, March 2, 2010 8:16:33 PM Re: snake in dream Osho : Why the serpent Symboloism of Kundalini ?. Why has the serpent been chosen as a symbol of kundalini? Please explain all the reasons. In the symbol used by theosophy, a coiled serpent with his tail in the mouth is shown. In the symbol of the ramakrishna mission, the tail of the serpent touches the hood. Please explain the meaning of these? " The serpent symbol for the kundalini is very apt and meaningful. Perhaps there is no better symbol than this. Therefore, not only the kundalini but also the serpent has undergone a great many travels in the symbol form. Nowhere in the world is there a religion in which the serpent has not been depicted somewhere. This is because the serpent has many qualities that tally with the kundalini. The very first thing that occurs to the mind at the mention of the serpent is the motion of sliding - crawling. The very first experience of kundalini is that of something moving within. You feel as if something has moved within - just as a serpent moves. Another thing that comes to mind with the very notion of a serpent is that it has no legs, yet it moves. It has no means of movement - it is sheer energy - yet it travels. The third thing that comes to the mind is that when a serpent sits it forms coils. When the kundalini lies asleep within us it too rests in the same manner. When a long thing has to accommodate itself in a small place it has to coil up; there is no other way for it. A very big power is seated on a very small center so it can only coil itself up. Now when the snake gets up it unwinds the coils one by one; as it rises the coil unwinds. In the same way we feel kundalini unwinding within when the kundalini energy rises within us. The serpent sometimes in playfulness catches its tail in its mouth. This holding of the tail in the mouth is also a significant symbol. This is a valuable symbol and many recognized it as such. It is valuable because it suggests that when the kundalini is fully awakened it will become circular and begin to form its own circuit within. Its hood will catch hold of its own tail; the serpent will become a circle. Now when a symbol is made to depict male sadhana, male spiritual practice, it will catch the tail by its mouth; it will be aggressive. If the symbol is arrived at by female sadhana, female spiritual practices, the tail will just be touching the hood. This is a surrendering tail -- one that is not held in the mouth. This is the only difference and no more. The hood of the serpent also became purposeful. The tail is very narrow whereas the hood is very broad. When kundalini awakens fully it reaches up to the sahasrara. It opens and spreads like the hood of the serpent; it expands enormously. It is as if many flowers bloom in it. Then its tail becomes very small. When the serpent stands up it is a wonderful sight; it stands erect on the tip of its tail. It is almost a miracle. The serpent is an invertebrate, a creature with no bones, and yet it can perform this act. It can only be with the help of the vital energy within it, because there is no other substantial means for it to stand erect. It stands by the strength of its own willpower; it has no material strength to rely on. So it is also when the kundalini awakens: it has no physical support; it is an immaterial energy. These were the reasons why the serpent was chosen as a symbol. There are many other reasons too. For instance, it is an innocent creature; hence, the Hindu god Shiva -- who is also called " the innocent Shiva " -- carries it on his head. On its own the serpent never troubles anybody, but if it is disturbed it can be very dangerous. The same applies to the kundalini. It is a very innocent power; it does not trouble you on its own. But if you disturb it the wrong way you will find yourself in trouble. It can prove very dangerous. So the symbol of a serpent reminds us that it is dangerous to disturb the kundalini in the wrong way. Keeping all this in mind, there was no other symbol more apt than that of the serpent. All over the world the snake stands as the symbol of wisdom. Jesus has said, " Be clever and intelligent like a snake and as innocent as a dove. " The snake is a very intelligent creature -- very alert, very watchful and very sharp and quick. These are all its qualities. The kundalini is also like this. You reach the ultimate peak of wisdom through it; it is very swift, and also very powerful. In the old days, when this symbol was chosen for the kundalini, perhaps there was nothing better than the serpent. Even now there is nothing better. Perhaps in the future there may be a new symbol -- like the rocket. Some future concept may grasp the kundalini as being like the rocket. Its journey is the same; it travels from one sky to another, from one planet to another, and there is void in between. It can become a symbol. The age decides the symbol. This symbol was chosen when man was very close to the animal kingdom. All our symbols of those times have been taken from animals, because that was all that our knowledge consisted of so we tried to find symbols in them. The serpent was thus the most apt symbol to define the kundalini. In those days we could not say that kundalini is like electricity; when we talk today we can say so. Five thousand years ago kundalini could not be talked about in terms of electricity because there was no notion of electricity. But the snake has the quality of electricity. This is hard for us to believe because many of us have no experience of the snake. We may have no experience of the kundalini whatsoever, but we hardly have any experience of snakes either. The serpent is a myth for us. Recently a survey was taken in London and it was found that seven hundred thousand children had never seen a cow. Now these children who have not seen a cow cannot possibly have any idea of a snake. So their whole way of thinking and reflecting - and their symbols - will be quite different. Now the serpent is obsolete: it is no longer an important part of our life. Once upon a time it was very near to us; it was our neighbor and was with us all the twenty-four hours of the day. It was then that man noticed its agility, its intelligence, its movements, and the ease with which it carried itself about. It was then that man realized also how dangerous a creature it could be. There are stories of a serpent guarding an infant, and it is so innocent... There are instances when it has bitten the most fierce person and killed him, so dangerous it can be. So both of these possibilities are in it. When man was very close to the serpent he must have watched it closely. The subject of kundalini also began at about the same time, and both the serpent and the kundalini were found similar in their qualities. But all symbols are meaningful, and if they have come to us through the ages there is a suitability, a rhythm in them. But now it is bound to break. The symbol of the serpent will not last long. We shall not be able to call the kundalini serpent power, because now where is the poor serpent? It is no longer our neighbor; we have no connection with it. We do not even see him on the roads. So as we have no connection with it whatsoever, this question arises. It could never arise before when it was the only symbol. " Osho Differences have come about because of symbols. A Mohammed cannot conceive of a Buddha's symbol. It is impossible! The environments of the two were so different. Even the word god can be a burden if it is not conceived of as a symbol that corresponds to your individuality. For example, Mohammed could not conceive of God as compassion. Compassion did not exist anywhere in his environment. Everything was so terrifying, so dangerous, that God had to be conceived of differently. Crossing from one country to the next, slaughtering, the people in Mohammed's environment could not conceive of a God that was not cruel. An uncruel God, a compassionate God, would have been unreal to them because the concept wouldn't have corresponded to their reality. To a Hindu, God is seen through the environment. The nature is beautiful, the soil is fertile; the race is deeply rooted in the earth. Everything is flowing and flowing in a particular direction, and the movement is very slow, just like the Ganges. It is not terrifying and dangerous. So the Hindu god is bound to be a Krishna, dancing and playing on his flute. This image comes from the environment and from the racial mind and its experiences. Because yoga developed in an agricultural society, it has agricultural symbols: a flower, a snake, etcetera -- but they are just symbols. Buddha did not even talk about kundalini, but if he had, he would not have talked about serpent power; nor would Mahavira have talked about it. They came from royal families: the symbols that were congenial to other people were not congenial to them. They used other symbols. Buddha and Mahavira came from royal palaces. The snake was not a reality there. But to the peasants it was a great reality, one could not remain unacquainted with it. And it was dangerous too; one had to be aware of it. But to Buddha and Mahavira it was not a reality at all. Buddha could not talk of snakes; he talked of flowers. Flowers were known to him, more known to him than to anybody else. He had seen many flowers, but only living ones. The palace gardeners were instructed by his father to see that no dying flower would be seen by him, Gautama. He was to see only young flowers, so the whole night the gardens were prepared for him. In the morning when he came, not a dead leaf, not a dead flower, could be seen, only flowers coming to life. So flowering was a reality to him in a way in which it is not to us. Then when he came to his realization, he spoke about it as a process of flowers and flowers, opening and opening. The reality is something else, but the metaphor comes from Buddha. These metaphors are not unreal, they are not just poetry. They correspond to your nature; you belong to them, they belong to you. The denial of symbols has proved drastic and dangerous. You have denied and denied everything that is not materially real, and rituals and symbols have taken their revenge; they come back again, they get through. They are there in your clothes, in your temples, in your poetries, your deeds. The symbols will have their revenge, they will come back. They cannot be denied because they belong to your nature. When it comes to your mind that something has begun to open and flower, you will have to conceive of what is happening in some way. The moment thought comes in, thought brings its own category. So you will say " flowering, " you will say " opening, " you will say " penetration. " The thing itself can be understood through so many metaphors. The metaphor depends on you, it depends on your mind. And what it depends on, depends on so many things -- for example, your life experiences Regards Kulbir Bains ____________ _________ _________ __ , Param Iqbal <param530@.. .> wrote: > > I agree. I was told if you dream of Snakes, it has to do with Shiv Ji. Therefore, when I used to have these dreams. It was recommended I go to to pray to Lord Shiva at a temple, and pour milk on him and ask for his guidance and I did. > > > Kind Regards, > > Param Kaur Iqbal Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 4, 2010 I was not criticising Vinay Jha Jee. He was merely quoting others, so there is no reason to confuse my question as criticism. I find that there is too much 'sensitivity' in some of these forums even though it is a 'sounding board'! Everyone expresses their personal perspective here just as you did. The question of offense does not arise, please rest assured :-) These are very *disturbed* times is all I can observe! RR_, , Rakesh Kumar <rakesh_771119 wrote: > > Dear RR Ji, > Your question regarding Vinay ji post (i) " I am nothing every thing is god " If I every thing is god is every thing then why " I " remaining as a nothing.is not a question of mental level.It relates to the refined stage of wisdom called " pragya " .and when a soul got the experience of self realization then the truth appeared it self.This question is not the matter of discussion but at last Vinay Ji has given a direction also that we can learn some thing very great through " Patanjali Yog Sutra " This is a authentic book on practical yoga science,but there are very rare who have the practical knowledge about it.I apologize if any of my comment hurt any body. > > Regards, > Rakesh Kumar > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 4, 2010 Vinay_jee, If logic is futile in appreciating or experiencing this 'gem' of COSMIC TRUTH then what purpose, pray tell, is being served by 'serving' it to all and sundry on a *bits & bytes* forum :-) As you yourself said, the world is full of Rascals who have READ and yet remain UN-REALized! When Upanishads and other SCRIPTURES have for the most part failed in elevating this world, other than a very RARE and SPECIAL few who remain in oblivion, and oblivious to the worldly miasma, what can an internet forum message which is above and beyond questioning is dreaming to achieve ...? Please do not take it personally, but think calmly about what I am saying... Regards, Rohiniranjan , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > RR Ji, > > The topic you want to discuss is forbidden for Logic. I had directly quoted from upanishadas. I myself belong to the third variety known as Bindu-yoga ( " I am a Bindu of Consciousness in a boundless Sindhu of Collective Consciousness or God " ). A moksha-maargi cannot chose, he/she has to follow what is given by the Guru. The real Guru has power to convince his/her Shishyas by dint of his/her Divine Consciousness and arguments become redundant there. > > Since the option " I am nothing, everything is God " was not taught to me, I am as much an expert of this line of moksha as you. But I have sufficient experience of these unworldly things to request you to abstain from experimenting with worldly logic in Upa-nishadic Rahasyas. Upa+nishada means " to sit close to (one's Guru) for receiving spiritual Knowledge " . In upanishadas, Upanishada was also called Rahasya. Spiritual Rahasya cannot be transmitted through preachings, it requires sixth sense, at least for the transmitter. > > Now, come to the philosophical level. " I am a Bindu of Consciousness in a boundless Sindhu of Collective Consciousness or God " belongs to Vishishta-advaita Darshana. But " I am Brahm " and " I am nthiong and Everything is Brahma " are different manifestations of Advaita Darshana. " I am nothing and Everything is Brahma " is the preceding stage of final Advaita " I am Brahm " , because " I am nothing " is for the Ego (Aham) and " Everything is Brahma " includes the real Self. > > But these words will do no good unless and until Kriya-yoga is practised for suffucient duration. > > -vj > ======================= === > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Thanks for sharing Vinay_ji. A question, if I may: In -- > > > > " (1) I am nothing, everything is God " > > > > There is a bit of ambiguity, I think. If everything is God why remains the sense of " I " even as a 'nothing'? > > > > Residual awareness after all those 'human lifetimes', perhaps?? > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > > > > Interpretation of Dreams is a part of jyotish. But it needs the assistance of specialized persons. For instance, Lomash Samhita has a mantra for invoking the Goddess of Svapna to answer questions which one is unable to solve while awake, and this obscure verse required the help of a specialist Pt Kishor Nath Jha of Allahabad to translate. The translator of Lomash Samhita Dr Girija Shankar Shastri of Allahabad told me so. > > > > > > Read Yoga Vaashishtha at leisure, slowly. There are four stages of human existence : Jaagrata, Svapna, Sushupta, Turiya. Jaagrata has two varieties : Conscious with or without real Self-Knowledge. A person attaining real Self-Knowledge skips Sushupta and enters into Turiya-avasthaa which is another name for Yoga-nidra. Normal nidra is one of the five cardinal sins (klishta vrittis of chitta) which cannot be discarded without lifelong excruciating tapasyaa. Literally, Nidraa means ni+draa, ie looking downwards, ie looking towards physical and material and not towards the spiritual or divine. Constant japa and meditation helps in diluting the hold of Nidraa. At this stage of dilution, dreams of flying come. But when one sinks down towards lower levels of consciousness then dreams of drowning & c come. Instead of wasting time over interpreting dreams, please try to overcome sleep and dreams. > > > > > > According to upanishadas, there are four types of mundane existence of Soul. First three are (1) I am nothing, everything is God, (2) I am God, (3) I am a point or Bindu in the Ocean Which is God, ie I am a part of God, and the fourth is (4) I am body. If a person dreams of himself / herself as a physical body, he / she is bound to be reborn into this martyaloka. Bujt if he / she retains a self-knowledge in any of the first three forms, then he / she is destined for moksha (provided this higher state of consciousness is retained till death). > > > > > > Persons dreaming of flying body want to escape from worldliness but cannot because of lack of proper spiritual knowledge. Proper spiritual knowledge cannot be attained by mere reading of spiritual books, although it may help in clarifying doubts. Read Paatanjala-yoga-pradeepa by Swami Omananda Teertha (Gitapress Gorakhpur, Rs 75). It will help you in clearing a lot of doubts and will also show you the practical way out. > > > > > > -vj > > > ===================== === > > > > > > , pushpa kumari <pushpa_75_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sairam to all respected astrologers, > > > > As the discussion is going on about the dreams, i do keep seeing snake in my dreams. Recently, last week, i had a dream, where i saw a sher in my dream. It was a jungle scence. And there were houses too. Suddenly a sher appears. All were terrified at the same time, all lied down on the ground, pretending to be dead. A lion cross by me, smelled me too and then gone back. At the same time, another lion too comes, i was fearless that time, and was having camera (mobile) with me. So, when he came near me, with close approxomity, i clicked a photo with the lion, and wanted to show to my friends and others. I got up and it was mid night - brahmamuharat, about, 3. 20 a.m. I can still remember the scene as its happening right now. I do fear of lions. > > > > Another dream, which often comes to me, is that, i always see myself, floating in the air, sometimes, walking on water, sometimes in dense forest. Whenever i see myself drawning inside water , either, lake, pond, river, sea, i always see that i come out safely from that, though i dont know swimming. And whenever i see this dream, i know, i wl face a problems and wl come out of this situations. So, i get prior intution if i m into or would fall for any probs, and also i know, that even if i m in trouble, i wl come out of that situations. This i get assured by seeing drawning in water and again coming out from it. > > > > My birth details are as follow : > > > > Myself Pushpa Kumari, 9th July, 1975 11.50 p.m. Jamshedpur, Jharkhand, India. > > > > Lalit ji has said, my horoscope needed for discussion. > > > > M brought up in an orphange. Though, as m told, i got mother's love and affection, its true too, but she was not my real parents. Its like foster parents. not legally adopted child. > > > > I have a question - i want to settle down in my life as i have not seen real family life, and want to know, how it is, but at the same time, i have inclinations towards spiritual line too. > > > > > > > > Thanking you With love and regardsPushpa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 4, 2010 Should we be mixing up " religions " and 'cultures', so recklessly? It dulls the acuity of evidence, sister! Before nailing the coffin shut as the expression goes, on this matter, the least one can do is to find and compare the significances of the 'snake dreams' in different MAJOR and EXISTING religions and draw a comparison and conclusion. It PAINS me to see how glibly and in a hand-waving way, we treat such serious matters such as dreams and nimitta which has caused obvious personal pain to an esteemed contributor on this forum, who did not deserve this and it just goes to demonstrate our collective spiritual maturity! And our seriousness and sincerity as a group! Is this what Jyotish and Divination has come down to...? Very SAD and DISTURBING, indeed! But to each his own, I suppose! Rohiniranjan , Param Iqbal <param530 wrote: > > Hi, RR Ji. > > In regards to your comment, regarding this subject. I just have to say, it is proven that every religion has special meaning when it comes to dreams of serpants, scorpians, snakes. Look at the mayan culture and the early Egyptian, Greek, Chinese and Roman culture. When you look at ancient history, and review the heiroglyphics, serpants were very important in the early ages of time and mankind. > > Animals, in general, were revered or abhorred. Snakes or serpants, since the beginning of time, have always had significance in every culture in some way, shape or form. There have medicinal and remedial effects created to fix the dire suffering from this. Egyptian cultures worshipped cats and thought it was a bad omen, if you > killed one. Just recently in the news, they did a story on how they > found a cat temple in Alexandria, ancient Egypt. http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/jan/19/egypt-cat-god-temple-bastet > > > Although, I am sikh, married to a man from a different culture, who is very open-minded in the differences of the cultures and accepts that although there are differences in the religions, the basic fundamentals are the same. The omnipresent. > > Astrology has a link to both the religion as well as daily interactions of having your spiritual, emotional and physical being conjoined to meet with the Omnipresent. That is why we end up in our latter days, after having to go through a midlife crisis, becoming more spiritual with the hopes of going to our maker and have our karma justified. > > People genuinely ask astrologers to make us whole as a person and to end our sufferings so we can feel better, in the spiritual, metaphyisical and emotional way. WE want to be healed from our suffering > > There are great Muslim, Jewish, Catholic/Christian, and Sikh spiritualists/healers. (i,e. who have faith in astrology and the power it brings-predictive or not. It is a true blessing. (i.e. Sant Isher Singh, predicted his own death and was a great spiritual healer who people revered from all over the world Nostradamus predicted WWI, II and 09/11. Mayan Astrology, and there is Chinese Feng Shui). In all these cases, studies have shown astrology is about healing, which these people were noted. Any epic stories, you hear all noblemen went to astrologers to predict what would happen in their lives, and did not do anything without their astrologers advise of yay or nay. Of course, people were killed over this too, i.e. Salem Witch hunt. > > Bottom line, dreams can help us to know what is going in our lives. Therefore, both astrology and dreams are simultaneous predictors of what is going through our life and ultimately deals with how can we as a human being heal our lives to get the next stage. > > Sorry for the long book, but I concur with KrishnanJi talking about the same thing over and over again..is really not that educational. > > Kind Regards, > > Param Kaur Grewal-Iqbal > > > > > ________________________________ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > > Tue, March 2, 2010 4:48:31 PM > Re: snake in dream > > > Paramjit_jee, > > Please do not think of this question as an expression of flippancy, but if this were indeed true, Muslims, Christians, Jews and possibly a few other religious types would never dream of serpants! > > I am afraid, we might have to dig deeper than merely religious symbols of one religion (dominant as it may be in this world or at least this forum) in order to really explore and understand Randhra: The home of the Serpant Symbol! > > Regards, > > Rohiniranjan > > , Param Iqbal <param530@ .> wrote: > > > > I agree. I was told if you dream of Snakes, it has to do with Shiv Ji. Therefore, when I used to have these dreams. It was recommended I go to to pray to Lord Shiva at a temple, and pour milk on him and ask for his guidance and I did. > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > Param Kaur Iqbal > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Karan Kumari <architakhera@ ...> > > > > Sat, February 27, 2010 11:30:52 PM > > Re: snake in dream > > > > > > Dear raj > > Why are u misleading people ? > > > > Dreams have great significance acc to ancient scriptures > > > > if u donot want to help stay aside. > > > > making fun of others feeling will make urself in trouble one day. > > > > archita > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Raj <rajbhardwaj1949@ .co. in> > > > > Sat, February 27, 2010 6:04:17 PM > > Re: snake in dream > > > > > > Dear Dev, > > Watching snakes in dream is just like any other dream, please don't read too much into it. What if in the coming nights you dream about > > Nehru,Gandhi, Aishwarya, Ravana, Lalu etc, and someone slaps you,someone gives you Rose, someone gives you abuses and then someone kisses you ?????? > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Mr Dev, > > > Where r u situated.if near to Delhi,please perforform govardhan Parikrama.In case in south,visit and pray in Subrhamanayeswarar temple in Palani. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/25/10, dev <vdev17@> wrote: > > > > > > dev <vdev17@> > > > snake in dream > > > > > > Thursday, February 25, 2010, 11:17 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear astrologers: > > > > > >  > > > > > > I again had a snake dream again around 5 days back where I was there with another unknown person. The snake came to him and bit him. I was frightened but then it went back. I was happy. Pl clarify. > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > 1-2-62 2.30am New Delhi > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > > > > > > Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 4, 2010 Go for it, RR Ji. Why don't you present it to us? :-) I dare ya! Kind Regards, Param Kaur Grewal-Iqbal ________________________________ rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Wed, March 3, 2010 7:00:33 PM Re: snake in dream Should we be mixing up " religions " and 'cultures', so recklessly? It dulls the acuity of evidence, sister! Before nailing the coffin shut as the expression goes, on this matter, the least one can do is to find and compare the significances of the 'snake dreams' in different MAJOR and EXISTING religions and draw a comparison and conclusion. It PAINS me to see how glibly and in a hand-waving way, we treat such serious matters such as dreams and nimitta which has caused obvious personal pain to an esteemed contributor on this forum, who did not deserve this and it just goes to demonstrate our collective spiritual maturity! And our seriousness and sincerity as a group! Is this what Jyotish and Divination has come down to...? Very SAD and DISTURBING, indeed! But to each his own, I suppose! Rohiniranjan , Param Iqbal <param530@.. .> wrote: > > Hi, RR Ji. > > In regards to your comment, regarding this subject. I just have to say, it is proven that every religion has special meaning when it comes to dreams of serpants, scorpians, snakes. Look at the mayan culture and the early Egyptian, Greek, Chinese and Roman culture. When you look at ancient history, and review the heiroglyphics, serpants were very important in the early ages of time and mankind. > > Animals, in general, were revered or abhorred. Snakes or serpants, since the beginning of time, have always had significance in every culture in some way, shape or form. There have medicinal and remedial effects created to fix the dire suffering from this. Egyptian cultures worshipped cats and thought it was a bad omen, if you > killed one. Just recently in the news, they did a story on how they > found a cat temple in Alexandria, ancient Egypt. http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/jan/19/egypt-cat-god-temple-bastet > > > Although, I am sikh, married to a man from a different culture, who is very open-minded in the differences of the cultures and accepts that although there are differences in the religions, the basic fundamentals are the same. The omnipresent. > > Astrology has a link to both the religion as well as daily interactions of having your spiritual, emotional and physical being conjoined to meet with the Omnipresent. That is why we end up in our latter days, after having to go through a midlife crisis, becoming more spiritual with the hopes of going to our maker and have our karma justified. > > People genuinely ask astrologers to make us whole as a person and to end our sufferings so we can feel better, in the spiritual, metaphyisical and emotional way. WE want to be healed from our suffering > > There are great Muslim, Jewish, Catholic/Christian, and Sikh spiritualists/ healers. (i,e. who have faith in astrology and the power it brings-predictive or not. It is a true blessing. (i.e. Sant Isher Singh, predicted his own death and was a great spiritual healer who people revered from all over the world Nostradamus predicted WWI, II and 09/11. Mayan Astrology, and there is Chinese Feng Shui). In all these cases, studies have shown astrology is about healing, which these people were noted. Any epic stories, you hear all noblemen went to astrologers to predict what would happen in their lives, and did not do anything without their astrologers advise of yay or nay. Of course, people were killed over this too, i.e. Salem Witch hunt. > > Bottom line, dreams can help us to know what is going in our lives. Therefore, both astrology and dreams are simultaneous predictors of what is going through our life and ultimately deals with how can we as a human being heal our lives to get the next stage. > > Sorry for the long book, but I concur with KrishnanJi talking about the same thing over and over again..is really not that educational. > > Kind Regards, > > Param Kaur Grewal-Iqbal > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Tue, March 2, 2010 4:48:31 PM > Re: snake in dream > > > Paramjit_jee, > > Please do not think of this question as an expression of flippancy, but if this were indeed true, Muslims, Christians, Jews and possibly a few other religious types would never dream of serpants! > > I am afraid, we might have to dig deeper than merely religious symbols of one religion (dominant as it may be in this world or at least this forum) in order to really explore and understand Randhra: The home of the Serpant Symbol! > > Regards, > > Rohiniranjan > > , Param Iqbal <param530@ .> wrote: > > > > I agree. I was told if you dream of Snakes, it has to do with Shiv Ji. Therefore, when I used to have these dreams. It was recommended I go to to pray to Lord Shiva at a temple, and pour milk on him and ask for his guidance and I did. > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > Param Kaur Iqbal > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Karan Kumari <architakhera@ ...> > > > > Sat, February 27, 2010 11:30:52 PM > > Re: snake in dream > > > > > > Dear raj > > Why are u misleading people ? > > > > Dreams have great significance acc to ancient scriptures > > > > if u donot want to help stay aside. > > > > making fun of others feeling will make urself in trouble one day. > > > > archita > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Raj <rajbhardwaj1949@ .co. in> > > > > Sat, February 27, 2010 6:04:17 PM > > Re: snake in dream > > > > > > Dear Dev, > > Watching snakes in dream is just like any other dream, please don't read too much into it. What if in the coming nights you dream about > > Nehru,Gandhi, Aishwarya, Ravana, Lalu etc, and someone slaps you,someone gives you Rose, someone gives you abuses and then someone kisses you ?????? > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Mr Dev, > > > Where r u situated.if near to Delhi,please perforform govardhan Parikrama.In case in south,visit and pray in Subrhamanayeswarar temple in Palani. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/25/10, dev <vdev17@> wrote: > > > > > > dev <vdev17@> > > > snake in dream > > > > > > Thursday, February 25, 2010, 11:17 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear astrologers: > > > > > >  > > > > > > I again had a snake dream again around 5 days back where I was there with another unknown person. The snake came to him and bit him. I was frightened but then it went back. I was happy. Pl clarify. > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > 1-2-62 2.30am New Delhi > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > > > > > > Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 4, 2010 Haha - Vinay jee! I liked your second response which was perhaps more leisurely written and more relevant to my question (the statement being supra-logical!) to which I have responded seconds ago before I saw this one! I still maintain that each religion and its myths and mythology and symbolism remain for the most part personal! If a hindu or one who is a believer in Hindu mythology wishes to associate Snakes with Shiva, it is perfectly understandable and valid but no amount of logical or supralogical or whatever is going to convince me that for the entire 6.7 billion and moving towards 7 billion and Shiva-permitting crossing that number -- Snakes in dreams represent Shiva! Shiva-principle perhaps, Shiva-symbolism and Shiva-Essence perhaps depending on whatever that represents in each Religion but that should then be clearly stated, so as not to make other religions feel inferior or irrelevant! Rohiniranjan , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > The topic is not bad. Experiences from members together with their DOBs & c may help astrologers to find something worthwhile. > > -vj > ======================= === > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Thanks for sharing Vinay_ji. A question, if I may: In -- > > > > " (1) I am nothing, everything is God " > > > > There is a bit of ambiguity, I think. If everything is God why remains the sense of " I " even as a 'nothing'? > > > > Residual awareness after all those 'human lifetimes', perhaps?? > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > > > > Interpretation of Dreams is a part of jyotish. But it needs the assistance of specialized persons. For instance, Lomash Samhita has a mantra for invoking the Goddess of Svapna to answer questions which one is unable to solve while awake, and this obscure verse required the help of a specialist Pt Kishor Nath Jha of Allahabad to translate. The translator of Lomash Samhita Dr Girija Shankar Shastri of Allahabad told me so. > > > > > > Read Yoga Vaashishtha at leisure, slowly. There are four stages of human existence : Jaagrata, Svapna, Sushupta, Turiya. Jaagrata has two varieties : Conscious with or without real Self-Knowledge. A person attaining real Self-Knowledge skips Sushupta and enters into Turiya-avasthaa which is another name for Yoga-nidra. Normal nidra is one of the five cardinal sins (klishta vrittis of chitta) which cannot be discarded without lifelong excruciating tapasyaa. Literally, Nidraa means ni+draa, ie looking downwards, ie looking towards physical and material and not towards the spiritual or divine. Constant japa and meditation helps in diluting the hold of Nidraa. At this stage of dilution, dreams of flying come. But when one sinks down towards lower levels of consciousness then dreams of drowning & c come. Instead of wasting time over interpreting dreams, please try to overcome sleep and dreams. > > > > > > According to upanishadas, there are four types of mundane existence of Soul. First three are (1) I am nothing, everything is God, (2) I am God, (3) I am a point or Bindu in the Ocean Which is God, ie I am a part of God, and the fourth is (4) I am body. If a person dreams of himself / herself as a physical body, he / she is bound to be reborn into this martyaloka. Bujt if he / she retains a self-knowledge in any of the first three forms, then he / she is destined for moksha (provided this higher state of consciousness is retained till death). > > > > > > Persons dreaming of flying body want to escape from worldliness but cannot because of lack of proper spiritual knowledge. Proper spiritual knowledge cannot be attained by mere reading of spiritual books, although it may help in clarifying doubts. Read Paatanjala-yoga-pradeepa by Swami Omananda Teertha (Gitapress Gorakhpur, Rs 75). It will help you in clearing a lot of doubts and will also show you the practical way out. > > > > > > -vj > > > ===================== === > > > > > > , pushpa kumari <pushpa_75_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sairam to all respected astrologers, > > > > As the discussion is going on about the dreams, i do keep seeing snake in my dreams. Recently, last week, i had a dream, where i saw a sher in my dream. It was a jungle scence. And there were houses too. Suddenly a sher appears. All were terrified at the same time, all lied down on the ground, pretending to be dead. A lion cross by me, smelled me too and then gone back. At the same time, another lion too comes, i was fearless that time, and was having camera (mobile) with me. So, when he came near me, with close approxomity, i clicked a photo with the lion, and wanted to show to my friends and others. I got up and it was mid night - brahmamuharat, about, 3. 20 a.m. I can still remember the scene as its happening right now. I do fear of lions. > > > > Another dream, which often comes to me, is that, i always see myself, floating in the air, sometimes, walking on water, sometimes in dense forest. Whenever i see myself drawning inside water , either, lake, pond, river, sea, i always see that i come out safely from that, though i dont know swimming. And whenever i see this dream, i know, i wl face a problems and wl come out of this situations. So, i get prior intution if i m into or would fall for any probs, and also i know, that even if i m in trouble, i wl come out of that situations. This i get assured by seeing drawning in water and again coming out from it. > > > > My birth details are as follow : > > > > Myself Pushpa Kumari, 9th July, 1975 11.50 p.m. Jamshedpur, Jharkhand, India. > > > > Lalit ji has said, my horoscope needed for discussion. > > > > M brought up in an orphange. Though, as m told, i got mother's love and affection, its true too, but she was not my real parents. Its like foster parents. not legally adopted child. > > > > I have a question - i want to settle down in my life as i have not seen real family life, and want to know, how it is, but at the same time, i have inclinations towards spiritual line too. > > > > > > > > Thanking you With love and regardsPushpa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 4, 2010 Sir,Jyotish when initiated was person to person,a direct communication.The expansion of the sacred science going by leaps and bounds,tend to cross some boundaries.Certainly religion as an Institution it is personal (to me).But spirtual frame is universal.God I imagine ,think and and pray is my liking.when some body refers to Shiva v r refering to the Lord b4 whom I kneel down.with a wish he is capable to heal and soothe my feelings. Jyotish and divination as long as it is not personalised,the message and it's  significance behold every one.However as human beings v r fallible to many things.It is necessary to have a hold on communications.More so in Cyber media. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Wed, 3/3/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Re: snake in dream Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 10:00 PM  Should we be mixing up " religions " and 'cultures', so recklessly? It dulls the acuity of evidence, sister! Before nailing the coffin shut as the expression goes, on this matter, the least one can do is to find and compare the significances of the 'snake dreams' in different MAJOR and EXISTING religions and draw a comparison and conclusion. It PAINS me to see how glibly and in a hand-waving way, we treat such serious matters such as dreams and nimitta which has caused obvious personal pain to an esteemed contributor on this forum, who did not deserve this and it just goes to demonstrate our collective spiritual maturity! And our seriousness and sincerity as a group! Is this what Jyotish and Divination has come down to...? Very SAD and DISTURBING, indeed! But to each his own, I suppose! Rohiniranjan , Param Iqbal <param530@.. .> wrote: > > Hi, RR Ji. > > In regards to your comment, regarding this subject. I just have to say, it is proven that every religion has special meaning when it comes to dreams of serpants, scorpians, snakes. Look at the mayan culture and the early Egyptian, Greek, Chinese and Roman culture. When you look at ancient history, and review the heiroglyphics, serpants were very important in the early ages of time and mankind. > > Animals, in general, were revered or abhorred. Snakes or serpants, since the beginning of time, have always had significance in every culture in some way, shape or form. There have medicinal and remedial effects created to fix the dire suffering from this. Egyptian cultures worshipped cats and thought it was a bad omen, if you > killed one. Just recently in the news, they did a story on how they > found a cat temple in Alexandria, ancient Egypt. http://www.guardian ..co.uk/science/ 2010/jan/ 19/egypt- cat-god-temple- bastet > > > Although, I am sikh, married to a man from a different culture, who is very open-minded in the differences of the cultures and accepts that although there are differences in the religions, the basic fundamentals are the same. The omnipresent. > > Astrology has a link to both the religion as well as daily interactions of having your spiritual, emotional and physical being conjoined to meet with the Omnipresent. That is why we end up in our latter days, after having to go through a midlife crisis, becoming more spiritual with the hopes of going to our maker and have our karma justified. > > People genuinely ask astrologers to make us whole as a person and to end our sufferings so we can feel better, in the spiritual, metaphyisical and emotional way. WE want to be healed from our suffering > > There are great Muslim, Jewish, Catholic/Christian, and Sikh spiritualists/ healers. (i,e. who have faith in astrology and the power it brings-predictive or not. It is a true blessing. (i.e. Sant Isher Singh, predicted his own death and was a great spiritual healer who people revered from all over the world Nostradamus predicted WWI, II and 09/11. Mayan Astrology, and there is Chinese Feng Shui). In all these cases, studies have shown astrology is about healing, which these people were noted. Any epic stories, you hear all noblemen went to astrologers to predict what would happen in their lives, and did not do anything without their astrologers advise of yay or nay. Of course, people were killed over this too, i.e. Salem Witch hunt. > > Bottom line, dreams can help us to know what is going in our lives. Therefore, both astrology and dreams are simultaneous predictors of what is going through our life and ultimately deals with how can we as a human being heal our lives to get the next stage. > > Sorry for the long book, but I concur with KrishnanJi talking about the same thing over and over again..is really not that educational. > > Kind Regards, > > Param Kaur Grewal-Iqbal > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Tue, March 2, 2010 4:48:31 PM > Re: snake in dream > > > Paramjit_jee, > > Please do not think of this question as an expression of flippancy, but if this were indeed true, Muslims, Christians, Jews and possibly a few other religious types would never dream of serpants! > > I am afraid, we might have to dig deeper than merely religious symbols of one religion (dominant as it may be in this world or at least this forum) in order to really explore and understand Randhra: The home of the Serpant Symbol! > > Regards, > > Rohiniranjan > > , Param Iqbal <param530@ .> wrote: > > > > I agree. I was told if you dream of Snakes, it has to do with Shiv Ji. Therefore, when I used to have these dreams. It was recommended I go to to pray to Lord Shiva at a temple, and pour milk on him and ask for his guidance and I did. > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > Param Kaur Iqbal > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Karan Kumari <architakhera@ ...> > > > > Sat, February 27, 2010 11:30:52 PM > > Re: snake in dream > > > > > > Dear raj > > Why are u misleading people ? > > > > Dreams have great significance acc to ancient scriptures > > > > if u donot want to help stay aside. > > > > making fun of others feeling will make urself in trouble one day. > > > > archita > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Raj <rajbhardwaj1949@ .co. in> > > > > Sat, February 27, 2010 6:04:17 PM > > Re: snake in dream > > > > > > Dear Dev, > > Watching snakes in dream is just like any other dream, please don't read too much into it. What if in the coming nights you dream about > > Nehru,Gandhi, Aishwarya, Ravana, Lalu etc, and someone slaps you,someone gives you Rose, someone gives you abuses and then someone kisses you ?????? > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Mr Dev, > > > Where r u situated.if near to Delhi,please perforform govardhan Parikrama.In case in south,visit and pray in Subrhamanayeswarar temple in Palani. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/25/10, dev <vdev17@> wrote: > > > > > > dev <vdev17@> > > > snake in dream > > > > > > Thursday, February 25, 2010, 11:17 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear astrologers: > > > > > >  > > > > > > I again had a snake dream again around 5 days back where I was there with another unknown person. The snake came to him and bit him. I was frightened but then it went back. I was happy. Pl clarify. > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > 1-2-62 2.30am New Delhi > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > > > > > > Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 4, 2010 Rohini da, I work so much,mostly off the internet, that I do not remember, nor do I want to, what was my first or second response to which internet-thread. I remember I posted some reply about " I am nothing, everything is God " but perhaps under some other thread or semi-thread. Hence, I cannot make the head or tail of your statement : " I liked your second response which was perhaps more leisurely written and more relevant to my question " . I can only guess that my first response was less palatable to you. Real religion is always highly personal. Gita differentiates between Jnaana and Vijnaana, the former being proper knowledge attained through education, and the latter being direct (practical) encounter with Truth about oneself and about the world/worlds. Reality thus encountered is beyond words and arguments, but mortals have no other tools to describe their experiences. To realize this indescribable is religion, and to communicate it is art. Institutionalization of religion and art kills both. Yet we need institutions to preserve ourselves among an unruly multitude. A purified (enlightened) mind gets only the messages sent from divinities : Su+apna = svapna = to get/receive the good (messages/things). These good messages may be about coming mishaps too, yet they are good because they are true and help us. A bad mind gets/invents false dreams. Five karmendriyas and five jnaanendriyas plus mind are eleven rudras which make us weep (rud-) by going after sensory objects and desires, but when all these eleven Rudras combine, the mind becomes Shiva. Personal Ego fades away. during these transformation of the mind, sushupta (deep sleep) is destroyed and swapna is followed with turiya stage of samaadhi. Swapna, therefore, is the bridge between the ultimate noumenal Reality attained in samaadhi and the phenomenal existence known as jaagrata. This ultimate Reality is Real Consciousness, and Jaagrata is False Consciousness because it is neither con- nor -scious, because it is individualistic and not collective and lacks con-, because it cannot see into the depth of things and is without -scious. In Jaagrata, we see only surfaces of phenomena. -VJ ===================== == , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Haha - Vinay jee! I liked your second response which was perhaps more leisurely written and more relevant to my question (the statement being supra-logical!) to which I have responded seconds ago before I saw this one! > > I still maintain that each religion and its myths and mythology and symbolism remain for the most part personal! If a hindu or one who is a believer in Hindu mythology wishes to associate Snakes with Shiva, it is perfectly understandable and valid but no amount of logical or supralogical or whatever is going to convince me that for the entire 6.7 billion and moving towards 7 billion and Shiva-permitting crossing that number -- Snakes in dreams represent Shiva! > > Shiva-principle perhaps, Shiva-symbolism and Shiva-Essence perhaps depending on whatever that represents in each Religion but that should then be clearly stated, so as not to make other religions feel inferior or irrelevant! > > Rohiniranjan > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > > The topic is not bad. Experiences from members together with their DOBs & c may help astrologers to find something worthwhile. > > > > -vj > > ======================= === > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Thanks for sharing Vinay_ji. A question, if I may: In -- > > > > > > " (1) I am nothing, everything is God " > > > > > > There is a bit of ambiguity, I think. If everything is God why remains the sense of " I " even as a 'nothing'? > > > > > > Residual awareness after all those 'human lifetimes', perhaps?? > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Interpretation of Dreams is a part of jyotish. But it needs the assistance of specialized persons. For instance, Lomash Samhita has a mantra for invoking the Goddess of Svapna to answer questions which one is unable to solve while awake, and this obscure verse required the help of a specialist Pt Kishor Nath Jha of Allahabad to translate. The translator of Lomash Samhita Dr Girija Shankar Shastri of Allahabad told me so. > > > > > > > > Read Yoga Vaashishtha at leisure, slowly. There are four stages of human existence : Jaagrata, Svapna, Sushupta, Turiya. Jaagrata has two varieties : Conscious with or without real Self-Knowledge. A person attaining real Self-Knowledge skips Sushupta and enters into Turiya-avasthaa which is another name for Yoga-nidra. Normal nidra is one of the five cardinal sins (klishta vrittis of chitta) which cannot be discarded without lifelong excruciating tapasyaa. Literally, Nidraa means ni+draa, ie looking downwards, ie looking towards physical and material and not towards the spiritual or divine. Constant japa and meditation helps in diluting the hold of Nidraa. At this stage of dilution, dreams of flying come. But when one sinks down towards lower levels of consciousness then dreams of drowning & c come. Instead of wasting time over interpreting dreams, please try to overcome sleep and dreams. > > > > > > > > According to upanishadas, there are four types of mundane existence of Soul. First three are (1) I am nothing, everything is God, (2) I am God, (3) I am a point or Bindu in the Ocean Which is God, ie I am a part of God, and the fourth is (4) I am body. If a person dreams of himself / herself as a physical body, he / she is bound to be reborn into this martyaloka. Bujt if he / she retains a self-knowledge in any of the first three forms, then he / she is destined for moksha (provided this higher state of consciousness is retained till death). > > > > > > > > Persons dreaming of flying body want to escape from worldliness but cannot because of lack of proper spiritual knowledge. Proper spiritual knowledge cannot be attained by mere reading of spiritual books, although it may help in clarifying doubts. Read Paatanjala-yoga-pradeepa by Swami Omananda Teertha (Gitapress Gorakhpur, Rs 75). It will help you in clearing a lot of doubts and will also show you the practical way out. > > > > > > > > -vj > > > > ===================== === > > > > > > > > , pushpa kumari <pushpa_75_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sairam to all respected astrologers, > > > > > As the discussion is going on about the dreams, i do keep seeing snake in my dreams. Recently, last week, i had a dream, where i saw a sher in my dream. It was a jungle scence. And there were houses too. Suddenly a sher appears. All were terrified at the same time, all lied down on the ground, pretending to be dead. A lion cross by me, smelled me too and then gone back. At the same time, another lion too comes, i was fearless that time, and was having camera (mobile) with me. So, when he came near me, with close approxomity, i clicked a photo with the lion, and wanted to show to my friends and others. I got up and it was mid night - brahmamuharat, about, 3. 20 a.m. I can still remember the scene as its happening right now. I do fear of lions. > > > > > Another dream, which often comes to me, is that, i always see myself, floating in the air, sometimes, walking on water, sometimes in dense forest. Whenever i see myself drawning inside water , either, lake, pond, river, sea, i always see that i come out safely from that, though i dont know swimming. And whenever i see this dream, i know, i wl face a problems and wl come out of this situations. So, i get prior intution if i m into or would fall for any probs, and also i know, that even if i m in trouble, i wl come out of that situations. This i get assured by seeing drawning in water and again coming out from it. > > > > > My birth details are as follow : > > > > > Myself Pushpa Kumari, 9th July, 1975 11.50 p.m. Jamshedpur, Jharkhand, India. > > > > > Lalit ji has said, my horoscope needed for discussion. > > > > > M brought up in an orphange. Though, as m told, i got mother's love and affection, its true too, but she was not my real parents. Its like foster parents. not legally adopted child. > > > > > I have a question - i want to settle down in my life as i have not seen real family life, and want to know, how it is, but at the same time, i have inclinations towards spiritual line too. > > > > > > > > > > Thanking you With love and regardsPushpa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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Guest guest Report post Posted March 4, 2010 Rohini Da, I take your words at least as calmly as you take mine. I repeat " Since the option 'I am nothing, everything is God' was not taught to me (by any Guru), I am as much an expert of this line of moksha as you. " Logic is incapable of apprehending Reality, but I repeat that most of the mortals have no other tool. My Guruji once rebuked me because I used too much of logic. My reply : those who have crossed the Vaitarni need logic no more, those who do not want to cross the Vaitarni no not respect Logic, but those (like me) who are mid-stream need Logic otherwise they will fail to differentiate between both banks of Vaitarni. Preaching does not elevate anyone, as Sage Vashishtha said in Yoga Vaashishtha. Moreover, I am not a Guru to preach in any fora. Adding my comments to a thread is not preaching. In this thread about dream, I had alluded to something about dream in Lomasha Samhita which is a Jyotisha text. But members are disinterested. -VJ ========================= === , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Vinay_jee, > > If logic is futile in appreciating or experiencing this 'gem' of COSMIC TRUTH then what purpose, pray tell, is being served by 'serving' it to all and sundry on a *bits & bytes* forum :-) > > As you yourself said, the world is full of Rascals who have READ and yet remain UN-REALized! When Upanishads and other SCRIPTURES have for the most part failed in elevating this world, other than a very RARE and SPECIAL few who remain in oblivion, and oblivious to the worldly miasma, what can an internet forum message which is above and beyond questioning is dreaming to achieve ...? > > Please do not take it personally, but think calmly about what I am saying... > > Regards, > > Rohiniranjan > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > > RR Ji, > > > > The topic you want to discuss is forbidden for Logic. I had directly quoted from upanishadas. I myself belong to the third variety known as Bindu-yoga ( " I am a Bindu of Consciousness in a boundless Sindhu of Collective Consciousness or God " ). A moksha-maargi cannot chose, he/she has to follow what is given by the Guru. The real Guru has power to convince his/her Shishyas by dint of his/her Divine Consciousness and arguments become redundant there. > > > > Since the option " I am nothing, everything is God " was not taught to me, I am as much an expert of this line of moksha as you. But I have sufficient experience of these unworldly things to request you to abstain from experimenting with worldly logic in Upa-nishadic Rahasyas. Upa+nishada means " to sit close to (one's Guru) for receiving spiritual Knowledge " . In upanishadas, Upanishada was also called Rahasya. Spiritual Rahasya cannot be transmitted through preachings, it requires sixth sense, at least for the transmitter. > > > > Now, come to the philosophical level. " I am a Bindu of Consciousness in a boundless Sindhu of Collective Consciousness or God " belongs to Vishishta-advaita Darshana. But " I am Brahm " and " I am nthiong and Everything is Brahma " are different manifestations of Advaita Darshana. " I am nothing and Everything is Brahma " is the preceding stage of final Advaita " I am Brahm " , because " I am nothing " is for the Ego (Aham) and " Everything is Brahma " includes the real Self. > > > > But these words will do no good unless and until Kriya-yoga is practised for suffucient duration. > > > > -vj > > ======================= === > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Thanks for sharing Vinay_ji. A question, if I may: In -- > > > > > > " (1) I am nothing, everything is God " > > > > > > There is a bit of ambiguity, I think. If everything is God why remains the sense of " I " even as a 'nothing'? > > > > > > Residual awareness after all those 'human lifetimes', perhaps?? > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Interpretation of Dreams is a part of jyotish. But it needs the assistance of specialized persons. For instance, Lomash Samhita has a mantra for invoking the Goddess of Svapna to answer questions which one is unable to solve while awake, and this obscure verse required the help of a specialist Pt Kishor Nath Jha of Allahabad to translate. The translator of Lomash Samhita Dr Girija Shankar Shastri of Allahabad told me so. > > > > > > > > Read Yoga Vaashishtha at leisure, slowly. There are four stages of human existence : Jaagrata, Svapna, Sushupta, Turiya. Jaagrata has two varieties : Conscious with or without real Self-Knowledge. A person attaining real Self-Knowledge skips Sushupta and enters into Turiya-avasthaa which is another name for Yoga-nidra. Normal nidra is one of the five cardinal sins (klishta vrittis of chitta) which cannot be discarded without lifelong excruciating tapasyaa. Literally, Nidraa means ni+draa, ie looking downwards, ie looking towards physical and material and not towards the spiritual or divine. Constant japa and meditation helps in diluting the hold of Nidraa. At this stage of dilution, dreams of flying come. But when one sinks down towards lower levels of consciousness then dreams of drowning & c come. Instead of wasting time over interpreting dreams, please try to overcome sleep and dreams. > > > > > > > > According to upanishadas, there are four types of mundane existence of Soul. First three are (1) I am nothing, everything is God, (2) I am God, (3) I am a point or Bindu in the Ocean Which is God, ie I am a part of God, and the fourth is (4) I am body. If a person dreams of himself / herself as a physical body, he / she is bound to be reborn into this martyaloka. Bujt if he / she retains a self-knowledge in any of the first three forms, then he / she is destined for moksha (provided this higher state of consciousness is retained till death). > > > > > > > > Persons dreaming of flying body want to escape from worldliness but cannot because of lack of proper spiritual knowledge. Proper spiritual knowledge cannot be attained by mere reading of spiritual books, although it may help in clarifying doubts. Read Paatanjala-yoga-pradeepa by Swami Omananda Teertha (Gitapress Gorakhpur, Rs 75). It will help you in clearing a lot of doubts and will also show you the practical way out. > > > > > > > > -vj > > > > ===================== === > > > > > > > > , pushpa kumari <pushpa_75_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sairam to all respected astrologers, > > > > > As the discussion is going on about the dreams, i do keep seeing snake in my dreams. Recently, last week, i had a dream, where i saw a sher in my dream. It was a jungle scence. And there were houses too. Suddenly a sher appears. All were terrified at the same time, all lied down on the ground, pretending to be dead. A lion cross by me, smelled me too and then gone back. At the same time, another lion too comes, i was fearless that time, and was having camera (mobile) with me. So, when he came near me, with close approxomity, i clicked a photo with the lion, and wanted to show to my friends and others. I got up and it was mid night - brahmamuharat, about, 3. 20 a.m. I can still remember the scene as its happening right now. I do fear of lions. > > > > > Another dream, which often comes to me, is that, i always see myself, floating in the air, sometimes, walking on water, sometimes in dense forest. Whenever i see myself drawning inside water , either, lake, pond, river, sea, i always see that i come out safely from that, though i dont know swimming. And whenever i see this dream, i know, i wl face a problems and wl come out of this situations. So, i get prior intution if i m into or would fall for any probs, and also i know, that even if i m in trouble, i wl come out of that situations. This i get assured by seeing drawning in water and again coming out from it. > > > > > My birth details are as follow : > > > > > Myself Pushpa Kumari, 9th July, 1975 11.50 p.m. Jamshedpur, Jharkhand, India. > > > > > Lalit ji has said, my horoscope needed for discussion. > > > > > M brought up in an orphange. Though, as m told, i got mother's love and affection, its true too, but she was not my real parents. Its like foster parents. not legally adopted child. > > > > > I have a question - i want to settle down in my life as i have not seen real family life, and want to know, how it is, but at the same time, i have inclinations towards spiritual line too. > > > > > > > > > > Thanking you With love and regardsPushpa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 4, 2010 I fail to see what was offending !! I was quoting others because I do not want to quote myself, although I had profusely quoted myself in bachelor's examination three decades ago and got topmost grade ! -vj , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > I was not criticising Vinay Jha Jee. He was merely quoting others, so there is no reason to confuse my question as criticism. > > I find that there is too much 'sensitivity' in some of these forums even though it is a 'sounding board'! > > Everyone expresses their personal perspective here just as you did. The question of offense does not arise, please rest assured :-) > > These are very *disturbed* times is all I can observe! > > RR_, > > , Rakesh Kumar <rakesh_771119@> wrote: > > > > Dear RR Ji, > > Your question regarding Vinay ji post (i) " I am nothing every thing is god " If I every thing is god is every thing then why " I " remaining as a nothing.is not a question of mental level.It relates to the refined stage of wisdom called " pragya " .and when a soul got the experience of self realization then the truth appeared it self.This question is not the matter of discussion but at last Vinay Ji has given a direction also that we can learn some thing very great through " Patanjali Yog Sutra " This is a authentic book on practical yoga science,but there are very rare who have the practical knowledge about it.I apologize if any of my comment hurt any body. > > > > Regards, > > Rakesh Kumar > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 4, 2010 Rohini Da, May I be allowed to mix up " religion " and 'culture' a bit? A tantric was deliberately attacking my gurukula-cum-college for months. At last (Jan 2010), I asked the students to engage him in a shaastraartha, although the tantric tried to flee. He threatened me of dire consequences on account of his tantric powers. I challenged him to do so. The following night, I saw a dream in which someone in darkness was trying to suffocate me to death by forcibly closing my nostrils, but in that dream I cut that person into two pieces merely my means of mental Samkalpa (I had earlier practised it for years, even in dreams). Just after that I awoke and found it was beginning of Braahma-muhurta. Next day, one of my relatives told me that this tantric had powers to send dreams to others. -vj ======================== == , Param Iqbal <param530 wrote: > > Go for it, RR Ji. Why don't you present it to us? :-) I dare ya! > > > Kind Regards, > > Param Kaur Grewal-Iqbal > > > > > ________________________________ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > > Wed, March 3, 2010 7:00:33 PM > Re: snake in dream > > > Should we be mixing up " religions " and 'cultures', so recklessly? It dulls the acuity of evidence, sister! > > Before nailing the coffin shut as the expression goes, on this matter, the least one can do is to find and compare the significances of the 'snake dreams' in different MAJOR and EXISTING religions and draw a comparison and conclusion. > > It PAINS me to see how glibly and in a hand-waving way, we treat such serious matters such as dreams and nimitta which has caused obvious personal pain to an esteemed contributor on this forum, who did not deserve this and it just goes to demonstrate our collective spiritual maturity! And our seriousness and sincerity as a group! > > Is this what Jyotish and Divination has come down to...? > > Very SAD and DISTURBING, indeed! > > But to each his own, I suppose! > > Rohiniranjan > > , Param Iqbal <param530@ .> wrote: > > > > Hi, RR Ji. > > > > In regards to your comment, regarding this subject. I just have to say, it is proven that every religion has special meaning when it comes to dreams of serpants, scorpians, snakes. Look at the mayan culture and the early Egyptian, Greek, Chinese and Roman culture. When you look at ancient history, and review the heiroglyphics, serpants were very important in the early ages of time and mankind. > > > > Animals, in general, were revered or abhorred. Snakes or serpants, since the beginning of time, have always had significance in every culture in some way, shape or form. There have medicinal and remedial effects created to fix the dire suffering from this. Egyptian cultures worshipped cats and thought it was a bad omen, if you > > killed one. Just recently in the news, they did a story on how they > > found a cat temple in Alexandria, ancient Egypt. http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/jan/19/egypt-cat-god-temple-bastet > > > > > > Although, I am sikh, married to a man from a different culture, who is very open-minded in the differences of the cultures and accepts that although there are differences in the religions, the basic fundamentals are the same. The omnipresent. > > > > Astrology has a link to both the religion as well as daily interactions of having your spiritual, emotional and physical being conjoined to meet with the Omnipresent. That is why we end up in our latter days, after having to go through a midlife crisis, becoming more spiritual with the hopes of going to our maker and have our karma justified. > > > > People genuinely ask astrologers to make us whole as a person and to end our sufferings so we can feel better, in the spiritual, metaphyisical and emotional way. WE want to be healed from our suffering > > > > There are great Muslim, Jewish, Catholic/Christian, and Sikh spiritualists/ healers. (i,e. who have faith in astrology and the power it brings-predictive or not. It is a true blessing. (i.e. Sant Isher Singh, predicted his own death and was a great spiritual healer who people revered from all over the world Nostradamus predicted WWI, II and 09/11. Mayan Astrology, and there is Chinese Feng Shui). In all these cases, studies have shown astrology is about healing, which these people were noted. Any epic stories, you hear all noblemen went to astrologers to predict what would happen in their lives, and did not do anything without their astrologers advise of yay or nay. Of course, people were killed over this too, i.e. Salem Witch hunt. > > > > Bottom line, dreams can help us to know what is going in our lives. Therefore, both astrology and dreams are simultaneous predictors of what is going through our life and ultimately deals with how can we as a human being heal our lives to get the next stage. > > > > Sorry for the long book, but I concur with KrishnanJi talking about the same thing over and over again..is really not that educational. > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > Param Kaur Grewal-Iqbal > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > Tue, March 2, 2010 4:48:31 PM > > Re: snake in dream > > > > > > Paramjit_jee, > > > > Please do not think of this question as an expression of flippancy, but if this were indeed true, Muslims, Christians, Jews and possibly a few other religious types would never dream of serpants! > > > > I am afraid, we might have to dig deeper than merely religious symbols of one religion (dominant as it may be in this world or at least this forum) in order to really explore and understand Randhra: The home of the Serpant Symbol! > > > > Regards, > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , Param Iqbal <param530@ .> wrote: > > > > > > I agree. I was told if you dream of Snakes, it has to do with Shiv Ji. Therefore, when I used to have these dreams. It was recommended I go to to pray to Lord Shiva at a temple, and pour milk on him and ask for his guidance and I did. > > > > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > > > Param Kaur Iqbal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Karan Kumari <architakhera@ ...> > > > > > > Sat, February 27, 2010 11:30:52 PM > > > Re: snake in dream > > > > > > > > > Dear raj > > > Why are u misleading people ? > > > > > > Dreams have great significance acc to ancient scriptures > > > > > > if u donot want to help stay aside. > > > > > > making fun of others feeling will make urself in trouble one day. > > > > > > archita > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Raj <rajbhardwaj1949@ .co. in> > > > > > > Sat, February 27, 2010 6:04:17 PM > > > Re: snake in dream > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev, > > > Watching snakes in dream is just like any other dream, please don't read too much into it. What if in the coming nights you dream about > > > Nehru,Gandhi, Aishwarya, Ravana, Lalu etc, and someone slaps you,someone gives you Rose, someone gives you abuses and then someone kisses you ?????? > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > Mr Dev, > > > > Where r u situated.if near to Delhi,please perforform govardhan Parikrama.In case in south,visit and pray in Subrhamanayeswarar temple in Palani. > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/25/10, dev <vdev17@> wrote: > > > > > > > > dev <vdev17@> > > > > snake in dream > > > > > > > > Thursday, February 25, 2010, 11:17 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear astrologers: > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > I again had a snake dream again around 5 days back where I was there with another unknown person. The snake came to him and bit him. I was frightened but then it went back. I was happy. Pl clarify. > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > 1-2-62 2.30am New Delhi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > > > > > > > > Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 5, 2010 Vinay jee, No Problem. Since you seem already upto your eyeballs, I would hate to make more work for you or cause you distraction or lack of concentration :-) RR_, , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > Rohini da, > > I work so much,mostly off the internet, that I do not remember, nor do I want to, what was my first or second response to which internet-thread. I remember I posted some reply about " I am nothing, everything is God " ... <snip> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 5, 2010 Let me try and take you back to the original issue which remained addressed in your earlier responses :-) You wrote: ||||||||||| > > , Param Iqbal <param530@ .> wrote: > > > > > > I agree. I was told if you dream of Snakes, it has to do with Shiv Ji. ||||||||||| I responded: > > Please do not think of this question as an expression of flippancy, but if this were indeed true, Muslims, Christians, Jews and possibly a few other religious types would never dream of serpants! > > ||||||||||| Obviously, the point I was raising was that the statement associating snake-dreams and Shivji is literally only applicable to those who believe in Shivji! Other religions too dream of snakes but the significances may be different! Hopefully you will see the irrelevance in your recent responses to the original matter, if not (highly likely -- that is fine too!) :-) A good example of Thread-drift/topic-drift. Rohiniranjan , Param Iqbal <param530 wrote: > > Go for it, RR Ji. Why don't you present it to us? :-) I dare ya! > > > Kind Regards, > > Param Kaur Grewal-Iqbal > > > > > ________________________________ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > > Wed, March 3, 2010 7:00:33 PM > Re: snake in dream > > > Should we be mixing up " religions " and 'cultures', so recklessly? It dulls the acuity of evidence, sister! > > Before nailing the coffin shut as the expression goes, on this matter, the least one can do is to find and compare the significances of the 'snake dreams' in different MAJOR and EXISTING religions and draw a comparison and conclusion. > > It PAINS me to see how glibly and in a hand-waving way, we treat such serious matters such as dreams and nimitta which has caused obvious personal pain to an esteemed contributor on this forum, who did not deserve this and it just goes to demonstrate our collective spiritual maturity! And our seriousness and sincerity as a group! > > Is this what Jyotish and Divination has come down to...? > > Very SAD and DISTURBING, indeed! > > But to each his own, I suppose! > > Rohiniranjan > > , Param Iqbal <param530@ .> wrote: > > > > Hi, RR Ji. > > > > In regards to your comment, regarding this subject. I just have to say, it is proven that every religion has special meaning when it comes to dreams of serpants, scorpians, snakes. Look at the mayan culture and the early Egyptian, Greek, Chinese and Roman culture. When you look at ancient history, and review the heiroglyphics, serpants were very important in the early ages of time and mankind. > > > > Animals, in general, were revered or abhorred. Snakes or serpants, since the beginning of time, have always had significance in every culture in some way, shape or form. There have medicinal and remedial effects created to fix the dire suffering from this. Egyptian cultures worshipped cats and thought it was a bad omen, if you > > killed one. Just recently in the news, they did a story on how they > > found a cat temple in Alexandria, ancient Egypt. http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/jan/19/egypt-cat-god-temple-bastet > > > > > > Although, I am sikh, married to a man from a different culture, who is very open-minded in the differences of the cultures and accepts that although there are differences in the religions, the basic fundamentals are the same. The omnipresent. > > > > Astrology has a link to both the religion as well as daily interactions of having your spiritual, emotional and physical being conjoined to meet with the Omnipresent. That is why we end up in our latter days, after having to go through a midlife crisis, becoming more spiritual with the hopes of going to our maker and have our karma justified. > > > > People genuinely ask astrologers to make us whole as a person and to end our sufferings so we can feel better, in the spiritual, metaphyisical and emotional way. WE want to be healed from our suffering > > > > There are great Muslim, Jewish, Catholic/Christian, and Sikh spiritualists/ healers. (i,e. who have faith in astrology and the power it brings-predictive or not. It is a true blessing. (i.e. Sant Isher Singh, predicted his own death and was a great spiritual healer who people revered from all over the world Nostradamus predicted WWI, II and 09/11. Mayan Astrology, and there is Chinese Feng Shui). In all these cases, studies have shown astrology is about healing, which these people were noted. Any epic stories, you hear all noblemen went to astrologers to predict what would happen in their lives, and did not do anything without their astrologers advise of yay or nay. Of course, people were killed over this too, i.e. Salem Witch hunt. > > > > Bottom line, dreams can help us to know what is going in our lives. Therefore, both astrology and dreams are simultaneous predictors of what is going through our life and ultimately deals with how can we as a human being heal our lives to get the next stage. > > > > Sorry for the long book, but I concur with KrishnanJi talking about the same thing over and over again..is really not that educational. > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > Param Kaur Grewal-Iqbal > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > Tue, March 2, 2010 4:48:31 PM > > Re: snake in dream > > > > > > Paramjit_jee, > > > > Please do not think of this question as an expression of flippancy, but if this were indeed true, Muslims, Christians, Jews and possibly a few other religious types would never dream of serpants! > > > > I am afraid, we might have to dig deeper than merely religious symbols of one religion (dominant as it may be in this world or at least this forum) in order to really explore and understand Randhra: The home of the Serpant Symbol! > > > > Regards, > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , Param Iqbal <param530@ .> wrote: > > > > > > I agree. I was told if you dream of Snakes, it has to do with Shiv Ji. Therefore, when I used to have these dreams. It was recommended I go to to pray to Lord Shiva at a temple, and pour milk on him and ask for his guidance and I did. > > > > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > > > Param Kaur Iqbal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Karan Kumari <architakhera@ ...> > > > > > > Sat, February 27, 2010 11:30:52 PM > > > Re: snake in dream > > > > > > > > > Dear raj > > > Why are u misleading people ? > > > > > > Dreams have great significance acc to ancient scriptures > > > > > > if u donot want to help stay aside. > > > > > > making fun of others feeling will make urself in trouble one day. > > > > > > archita > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Raj <rajbhardwaj1949@ .co. in> > > > > > > Sat, February 27, 2010 6:04:17 PM > > > Re: snake in dream > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev, > > > Watching snakes in dream is just like any other dream, please don't read too much into it. What if in the coming nights you dream about > > > Nehru,Gandhi, Aishwarya, Ravana, Lalu etc, and someone slaps you,someone gives you Rose, someone gives you abuses and then someone kisses you ?????? > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > Mr Dev, > > > > Where r u situated.if near to Delhi,please perforform govardhan Parikrama.In case in south,visit and pray in Subrhamanayeswarar temple in Palani. > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/25/10, dev <vdev17@> wrote: > > > > > > > > dev <vdev17@> > > > > snake in dream > > > > > > > > Thursday, February 25, 2010, 11:17 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear astrologers: > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > I again had a snake dream again around 5 days back where I was there with another unknown person. The snake came to him and bit him. I was frightened but then it went back. I was happy. Pl clarify. > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > 1-2-62 2.30am New Delhi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > > > > > > > > Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 5, 2010 Tantriks (and similar including some sadhus-yogis) do indeed have such abilities but if they use those, beyond the immediate gratification and egoistical sense of victory, they must be prepared to pay the karmic invoice in the long run... ;-) Enjoy now, pay later ...! Kind of like credit card purchases...!! As below, so ABOVE... Rohiniranjan , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > Rohini Da, > > May I be allowed to mix up " religion " and 'culture' a bit? A tantric was deliberately attacking my gurukula-cum-college for months. At last (Jan 2010), I asked the students to engage him in a shaastraartha, although the tantric tried to flee. He threatened me of dire consequences on account of his tantric powers. I challenged him to do so. The following night, I saw a dream in which someone in darkness was trying to suffocate me to death by forcibly closing my nostrils, but in that dream I cut that person into two pieces merely my means of mental Samkalpa (I had earlier practised it for years, even in dreams). Just after that I awoke and found it was beginning of Braahma-muhurta. Next day, one of my relatives told me that this tantric had powers to send dreams to others. > > -vj > ======================== == > , Param Iqbal <param530@> wrote: > > > > Go for it, RR Ji. Why don't you present it to us? :-) I dare ya! > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > Param Kaur Grewal-Iqbal > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > > > Wed, March 3, 2010 7:00:33 PM > > Re: snake in dream > > > > > > Should we be mixing up " religions " and 'cultures', so recklessly? It dulls the acuity of evidence, sister! > > > > Before nailing the coffin shut as the expression goes, on this matter, the least one can do is to find and compare the significances of the 'snake dreams' in different MAJOR and EXISTING religions and draw a comparison and conclusion. > > > > It PAINS me to see how glibly and in a hand-waving way, we treat such serious matters such as dreams and nimitta which has caused obvious personal pain to an esteemed contributor on this forum, who did not deserve this and it just goes to demonstrate our collective spiritual maturity! And our seriousness and sincerity as a group! > > > > Is this what Jyotish and Divination has come down to...? > > > > Very SAD and DISTURBING, indeed! > > > > But to each his own, I suppose! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , Param Iqbal <param530@ .> wrote: > > > > > > Hi, RR Ji. > > > > > > In regards to your comment, regarding this subject. I just have to say, it is proven that every religion has special meaning when it comes to dreams of serpants, scorpians, snakes. Look at the mayan culture and the early Egyptian, Greek, Chinese and Roman culture. When you look at ancient history, and review the heiroglyphics, serpants were very important in the early ages of time and mankind. > > > > > > Animals, in general, were revered or abhorred. Snakes or serpants, since the beginning of time, have always had significance in every culture in some way, shape or form. There have medicinal and remedial effects created to fix the dire suffering from this. Egyptian cultures worshipped cats and thought it was a bad omen, if you > > > killed one. Just recently in the news, they did a story on how they > > > found a cat temple in Alexandria, ancient Egypt. http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/jan/19/egypt-cat-god-temple-bastet > > > > > > > > > Although, I am sikh, married to a man from a different culture, who is very open-minded in the differences of the cultures and accepts that although there are differences in the religions, the basic fundamentals are the same. The omnipresent. > > > > > > Astrology has a link to both the religion as well as daily interactions of having your spiritual, emotional and physical being conjoined to meet with the Omnipresent. That is why we end up in our latter days, after having to go through a midlife crisis, becoming more spiritual with the hopes of going to our maker and have our karma justified. > > > > > > People genuinely ask astrologers to make us whole as a person and to end our sufferings so we can feel better, in the spiritual, metaphyisical and emotional way. WE want to be healed from our suffering > > > > > > There are great Muslim, Jewish, Catholic/Christian, and Sikh spiritualists/ healers. (i,e. who have faith in astrology and the power it brings-predictive or not. It is a true blessing. (i.e. Sant Isher Singh, predicted his own death and was a great spiritual healer who people revered from all over the world Nostradamus predicted WWI, II and 09/11. Mayan Astrology, and there is Chinese Feng Shui). In all these cases, studies have shown astrology is about healing, which these people were noted. Any epic stories, you hear all noblemen went to astrologers to predict what would happen in their lives, and did not do anything without their astrologers advise of yay or nay. Of course, people were killed over this too, i.e. Salem Witch hunt. > > > > > > Bottom line, dreams can help us to know what is going in our lives. Therefore, both astrology and dreams are simultaneous predictors of what is going through our life and ultimately deals with how can we as a human being heal our lives to get the next stage. > > > > > > Sorry for the long book, but I concur with KrishnanJi talking about the same thing over and over again..is really not that educational. > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > > > Param Kaur Grewal-Iqbal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > Tue, March 2, 2010 4:48:31 PM > > > Re: snake in dream > > > > > > > > > Paramjit_jee, > > > > > > Please do not think of this question as an expression of flippancy, but if this were indeed true, Muslims, Christians, Jews and possibly a few other religious types would never dream of serpants! > > > > > > I am afraid, we might have to dig deeper than merely religious symbols of one religion (dominant as it may be in this world or at least this forum) in order to really explore and understand Randhra: The home of the Serpant Symbol! > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , Param Iqbal <param530@ .> wrote: > > > > > > > > I agree. I was told if you dream of Snakes, it has to do with Shiv Ji. Therefore, when I used to have these dreams. It was recommended I go to to pray to Lord Shiva at a temple, and pour milk on him and ask for his guidance and I did. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > > > > > Param Kaur Iqbal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Karan Kumari <architakhera@ ...> > > > > > > > > Sat, February 27, 2010 11:30:52 PM > > > > Re: snake in dream > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear raj > > > > Why are u misleading people ? > > > > > > > > Dreams have great significance acc to ancient scriptures > > > > > > > > if u donot want to help stay aside. > > > > > > > > making fun of others feeling will make urself in trouble one day. > > > > > > > > archita > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Raj <rajbhardwaj1949@ .co. in> > > > > > > > > Sat, February 27, 2010 6:04:17 PM > > > > Re: snake in dream > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev, > > > > Watching snakes in dream is just like any other dream, please don't read too much into it. What if in the coming nights you dream about > > > > Nehru,Gandhi, Aishwarya, Ravana, Lalu etc, and someone slaps you,someone gives you Rose, someone gives you abuses and then someone kisses you ?????? > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Mr Dev, > > > > > Where r u situated.if near to Delhi,please perforform govardhan Parikrama.In case in south,visit and pray in Subrhamanayeswarar temple in Palani. > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/25/10, dev <vdev17@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dev <vdev17@> > > > > > snake in dream > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, February 25, 2010, 11:17 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear astrologers: > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > I again had a snake dream again around 5 days back where I was there with another unknown person. The snake came to him and bit him. I was frightened but then it went back. I was happy. Pl clarify. > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > 1-2-62 2.30am New Delhi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > > > > > > > > > > Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 5, 2010 Yes I agree! I have notice that 'baby-boomers' tend to be generally more resilient and have tougher skins than the younger generations! Rohiniranjan <OOPS! Before posting this, I should have located my Teflon Kavach, now that the rotten tamatars and Andaas are sure to become Air-borne and North-bound!> , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > I fail to see what was offending !! I was quoting others because I do not want to quote myself, although I had profusely quoted myself in bachelor's examination three decades ago and got topmost grade ! > > -vj > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > I was not criticising Vinay Jha Jee. He was merely quoting others, so there is no reason to confuse my question as criticism. > > > > I find that there is too much 'sensitivity' in some of these forums even though it is a 'sounding board'! > > > > Everyone expresses their personal perspective here just as you did. The question of offense does not arise, please rest assured :-) > > > > These are very *disturbed* times is all I can observe! > > > > RR_, > > > > , Rakesh Kumar <rakesh_771119@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear RR Ji, > > > Your question regarding Vinay ji post (i) " I am nothing every thing is god " If I every thing is god is every thing then why " I " remaining as a nothing.is not a question of mental level.It relates to the refined stage of wisdom called " pragya " .and when a soul got the experience of self realization then the truth appeared it self.This question is not the matter of discussion but at last Vinay Ji has given a direction also that we can learn some thing very great through " Patanjali Yog Sutra " This is a authentic book on practical yoga science,but there are very rare who have the practical knowledge about it.I apologize if any of my comment hurt any body. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rakesh Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 5, 2010 Dear All, Please browse through these OLD (but not rotten!) offerings, BUT ONLY if have not *judged* me in your mind and formed an opinion, already! :-) http://boloji.com/astro/00329.htm http://boloji.com/astro/00310.htm http://boloji.com/astro/00323.htm Rohiniranjan , Karan Kumari <architakhera wrote: > > Dear Raj ji > > If u havent got my message i am saying this again > > I have not cursed u but only said if we hurt or tease others than that problem sometimes shifts to us . > > I do not have any power i am very small bhakt nothing else > > but me and my husband  pray to lord krsna and ananta to finish all ur problems. > > may lord listens to all prayers of Jyotish Members here who are worried for u .. > > shree anantaye namah > shree krishnaye namah > > ARCHITA > > >  > > > > ________________________________ > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > Tue, March 2, 2010 10:04:30 PM > Re: snake in dream > >  > Dear Shri Bhardwaj Ji, > It is time we forget the topic of snakes and dreams.we are interested in your health. and pray to the Almighty for your recovery.As a very senior astrologer you know several things.So we close the topic hereitself on the above caption as suggested by Shri Mishra Ji,Jha Ji and even Shri Suresh Ji. > with regards > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > --- On Tue, 3/2/10, Raj <rajbhardwaj1949@ .co. in> wrote: > > Raj <rajbhardwaj1949@ .co. in> > Re: snake in dream > > Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 11:12 AM > >  > > Dear Vinay Ji and Misra Ji, > > Vinay Ji, I feel good to see you back after your fruitful tour. Thanks for your thoughts. Misra Ji, Thanks to you also for giving practical advice,which is well taken by me. I will love to add here that I am not losing sleep over this issue, really. I have seen the toughest times and death like situations in the past too, right from my childhood. I am very confident that this situation, if it realy shows up, will be overcome by my Scorpian lagna ,Capricorn Moon and AK Sun..... And dear Rohini will understand this . Dear Rohini, you may like to add 10:05 in the Shukla Navami.With my best regards, and I look forward to more and more of learning. > > Raj Bhardwaj > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Raj Ji, > > > > > > I don't think anyone has cursed you. We need persons like you in this world and therefore I request you to keep away from not only real snakes but also from dreams of snakes as well as from threads about snakes in internet fora which causes you to worry about your death. > > > > > > -vj > > > ============ ==== === > > > , Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @> wrote: > > > > > > > > // it appeared clearly to me that my death is imminent.// > > > > //my BP and sugar, both factors were going down// > > > > Dear Raj,By taking suitable medications regularly keep your B.P and level of blood sugar normal and then every thing will be O.k.Don't try to analyse your dreams more astrologically. Try to maintain your sound health and take sound sleep at least for 6 hours and then you will not dream of snake or any thing.Walking or light exercise is beneficial for thin people and calisthenic exercise is harmful for those who are taking medications. > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Raj <rajbhardwaj1949@ > > > > > > > > > Tue, March 2, 2010 10:54:35 AM > > > > Re: snake in dream > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Archita and Suresh Bibu,, > > > > > > > > Dear Archita, I did not know that you have so much powers that when you > > > > caution or curse someone, it happens so quickly. On 1 March (early > > > > morning) I started feeling uneasy and lifeless. Family members checked > > > > my BP and sugar, both factors were going down. After medication, my > > > > condition was stable and I came home by 5 PM,with advice to rest. After > > > > tiring day in hospital, I slept and had a dream of a pair of Nag and > > > > Nagin, busy in their dance of passion. There was huge rush of people to > > > > watch them hissing and almost flying, coiled tightly with each other.The > > > > dream must have been for a duration of about 5-6 minutes but it was > > > > interrupted, as my wife ws to give me medicine. > > > > > > > > In the night I had some strength and opened my computer and read mail > > > > from Suresh Bibu and few other friends on the subject. I read the > > > > comments of Suresh- " To understand & " feel " " Nimithas " & " lalshanas " > > > > one has to grow beyond the text books & particularly that of > > > > Horashastras " . I take it that in such a situation while going beyond > > > > texts, we should fall back upon the dreams. It is only then that we can > > > > then draw a Prashana kundali. > > > > > > > > I recollected the time of my dream and it must have occurred between 7 > > > > pm to 7-10. So I took the meantime of 7:5 PM and drew the Prshana > > > > kundali. It was fascinating to see the 12th house. Lagnesh Sun in 7th > > > > house with Jup,Mer,Ven, - 9th lord Mar debilitated and retro in 12th, > > > > 12th lord Moon in lagna, 6th and 7th lord Sat retro in 2nd house. Rashi > > > > pratyavartan between 2nd and 7th lord. Rahu in 5th. 8th lord Jup in > > > > Vyaya bhava 7th. Neech Mars has drishti on 3rd, 6th and 7th house. > > > > Saturn has drishti on 4th , 8th and 11th house. Everything negative ! On > > > > working out the Ayur from the prashana lagna and it's navamsha, it > > > > appeared clearly to me that my death is imminent. I opened my birth > > > > chart and juxtaposed with my current dashas, and it confirmed death like > > > > situation. > > > > > > > > As I am not well and also short of money, I cannot afford travel to a > > > > number of places indicated by jyotishis like go for parikrama of > > > > Govardhan parvat. I also do not have money to call for pandits for 11 > > > > lakh japa of Mahamrityunjaya japa and yagya, as suggested by the local > > > > Pandit ji. > > > > > > > > Therefore from all the visible factors and my financial and health > > > > factors, it is foregone conclusion that my death is imminent. I am the > > > > type of person, who will rather like to die than to ask any financial > > > > help from friends and relatives. I have shared the situation with my > > > > close friend, and requested him to post a message on the group, when I > > > > die with relevant details of the death for jyotishis to make something > > > > out of this whole episode. But, I have a little hope from dear Archita. > > > > If you have powers to give effective curse do you also have some power > > > > to make it ineffective ? Perhaps some hope that for a dying jyotishi , > > > > > > > > because miracles do happen still , when everything else seems to be > > > > failing. With all my love. > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " > > > > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raj Bahadur & others, > > > > > > > > > > Though it is not my intention to interfere in this exchange or to > > > > create fear psychosis in anything and every thing a person goes through > > > > in day to day life, I cannot help notice your comment > > > > > > > > > > //Which scripture is taught by you in your school, or during your part > > > > > time jyotish learning, about the dreams , please just name ony one? // > > > > > > > > > > There are many scriptures that has provided detailed account of dreams > > > > and their significance. One of them is Prashna Marga written about a > > > > thousand years back. There are others also. > > > > > > > > > > Now if you study carefully, dreams are studied as part of Nimitha etc > > > > to indicate some outcome. This is only one use . Study of dreams is also > > > > part of Medicine - Both Ayurveda & Homeopathy. In fact this linking of > > > > dreams with medical condition and tripartite agreement with planets is > > > > what makes its study more useful with regard to Astrology & interesting > > > > to astrologers and human kind. > > > > > > > > > > To understand & " feel " " Nimithas " & " lalshanas " one has to grow beyond > > > > the text books & particularly that of Horashastras. > > > > > > > > > > I shall make a suggestion: next time when some tells about their > > > > dreams, take a prashna (udaya lagna is enough) and try to analyse the > > > > situation and provide your opinion. Look at the 12th house in > > > > Particular. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > Raj rajbhardwaj1949@ ... > > > > > > > > > > Sun, February 28, 2010 7:48:06 PM > > > > > Re: snake in dream > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Teacher Archita Khera,Karan Kumari...I will take your curse as > > > > God's blesings. Which scripture is taught by you in your school, or > > > > during your part time jyotish learning, about the dreams , please just > > > > name ony one? > > > > > > > > > > Do you also dream and would you like to share, if you ever had any > > > > good/ill/bad efect after the dream,in the mornings or in the night > > > > itself ? If so, can you also give explanatory notes ? Now don't take it > > > > as fun of any of your feelings. As it is, I have been facing only > > > > troubles,since my birth, so any fresh trouble/curse from anyone is a > > > > welcome addition in my vast treasure of bad karmas.I can only send you > > > > my love and best wishes, because I have never cursed anyone.Shall wait > > > > for your teaching. > > > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > > > > > , Karan Kumari <architakhera@ > > > > ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear raj > > > > > > Why are u misleading people ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Dreams have great significance acc to ancient scriptures > > > > > > > > > > > > if u donot want to help stay aside. > > > > > > > > > > > > making fun of others feeling ÃÆ'‚ will make urself in trouble one > > > > day. > > > > > > > > > > > > archita > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > Raj <rajbhardwaj1949@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, February 27, 2010 6:04:17 PM > > > > > > Re: snake in dream > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > Dear Dev, > > > > > > Watching snakes in dream is just like any other dream, please don't > > > > read too much into it. What if in the coming nights you dream about > > > > > > Nehru,Gandhi, Aishwarya, Ravana, Lalu etc, and someone slaps > > > > you,someone gives you Rose, someone gives you abuses and then someone > > > > kisses you ?????? > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan > > > > <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Dev, > > > > > > > Where r u situated.if near to Delhi,please perforform govardhan > > > > Parikrama.In case in south,visit and pray in Subrhamanayeswarar temple > > > > in Palani. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling > > > > services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers > > > > of Mans KarmaÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/25/10, dev <vdev17@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dev <vdev17@> > > > > > > > snake in dream > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, February 25, 2010, 11:17 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear astrologers: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I again had a snake dream again around 5 days back where I was > > > > there with another unknown person. The snake came to him and bit him. I > > > > was frightened but then it went back. I was happy. Pl clarify. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1-2-62 2.30am New Delhi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go > > > > to Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 5, 2010 Understandable RRJi, per your request, you wanted a complete synopsis of all the various culture/religions and their interpretations and meaning of snakes, not I. Historically, the fundamentals are the same, but it is the culture that adds their own spin to the same stories/problems. In my opinion, the fundamentals of dreaming about a snake is either a good thing or not. In Hinduism and Sikhism, white snakes were talked about and considered very good and and black snakes are not, especially if they had their toungues out. Therefore, Sikhs have been known to appease Shiv Ji, at least that is what I have seen in my experience with my family and friends in the UK, where I used to go vacation every couple of years, US, where I have always lived and India, when I used to go visit my dad's family as well as Canada, where my family lives and my family in Seattle and NY/New Jersey in the Us. Our family is deeply religious in Sikhism, and we were not that into Hinduism, but I do have cousins who are Muslim and Hindu's. I grew up in private school where I had morning mass at 6 am in the morning in England. So I was extremely blessed to have the opportunity to be able to view all cultures with an open mind. Not too mention, California has a fantastic pot of gold of different ethnic backgrounds and we are not limited to one group of people. There is nothing like this wonderful state now going to Pot due to the economy. We always went to our family astrologer, who was Hindu-Punjabi, and he would prescribe us remedies for Mata Ji and Shiv Ji when we had dream afflictions. Alas, that wonderful man is no longer with us, but he was a great man to work with. He was open minded and was great at helping us with getting our rashi's and afflictions outlined for us and assisting us with remedial help. A true gem, who is sorely missed. On my in-laws side who are Muslim, they, too, see religious leaders who recommend certain remedies when there are dream afflictions with prayers and other stuff. However, since I have digressed, talking about my personal experiences. I was merely pointing out that cultures and religions try to appease the weakness through prayer and remedies. But since you wanted a comparison, who but yourself would be good at this, since you are more wiser than I and a true Jyotish. I am just a bystander. :-) Kind Regards, Param Kaur Grewal-Iqbal ________________________________ rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Thu, March 4, 2010 3:16:37 PM Re: snake in dream Let me try and take you back to the original issue which remained addressed in your earlier responses :-) You wrote: ||||||||||| > > , Param Iqbal <param530@ .> wrote: > > > > > > I agree. I was told if you dream of Snakes, it has to do with Shiv Ji. ||||||||||| I responded: > > Please do not think of this question as an expression of flippancy, but if this were indeed true, Muslims, Christians, Jews and possibly a few other religious types would never dream of serpants! > > ||||||||||| Obviously, the point I was raising was that the statement associating snake-dreams and Shivji is literally only applicable to those who believe in Shivji! Other religions too dream of snakes but the significances may be different! Hopefully you will see the irrelevance in your recent responses to the original matter, if not (highly likely -- that is fine too!) :-) A good example of Thread-drift/ topic-drift. Rohiniranjan , Param Iqbal <param530@.. .> wrote: > > Go for it, RR Ji. Why don't you present it to us? :-) I dare ya! > > > Kind Regards, > > Param Kaur Grewal-Iqbal > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Wed, March 3, 2010 7:00:33 PM > Re: snake in dream > > > Should we be mixing up " religions " and 'cultures', so recklessly? It dulls the acuity of evidence, sister! > > Before nailing the coffin shut as the expression goes, on this matter, the least one can do is to find and compare the significances of the 'snake dreams' in different MAJOR and EXISTING religions and draw a comparison and conclusion. > > It PAINS me to see how glibly and in a hand-waving way, we treat such serious matters such as dreams and nimitta which has caused obvious personal pain to an esteemed contributor on this forum, who did not deserve this and it just goes to demonstrate our collective spiritual maturity! And our seriousness and sincerity as a group! > > Is this what Jyotish and Divination has come down to...? > > Very SAD and DISTURBING, indeed! > > But to each his own, I suppose! > > Rohiniranjan > > , Param Iqbal <param530@ .> wrote: > > > > Hi, RR Ji. > > > > In regards to your comment, regarding this subject. I just have to say, it is proven that every religion has special meaning when it comes to dreams of serpants, scorpians, snakes. Look at the mayan culture and the early Egyptian, Greek, Chinese and Roman culture. When you look at ancient history, and review the heiroglyphics, serpants were very important in the early ages of time and mankind. > > > > Animals, in general, were revered or abhorred. Snakes or serpants, since the beginning of time, have always had significance in every culture in some way, shape or form. There have medicinal and remedial effects created to fix the dire suffering from this. Egyptian cultures worshipped cats and thought it was a bad omen, if you > > killed one. Just recently in the news, they did a story on how they > > found a cat temple in Alexandria, ancient Egypt. http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/jan/19/egypt-cat-god-temple-bastet > > > > > > Although, I am sikh, married to a man from a different culture, who is very open-minded in the differences of the cultures and accepts that although there are differences in the religions, the basic fundamentals are the same. The omnipresent. > > > > Astrology has a link to both the religion as well as daily interactions of having your spiritual, emotional and physical being conjoined to meet with the Omnipresent. That is why we end up in our latter days, after having to go through a midlife crisis, becoming more spiritual with the hopes of going to our maker and have our karma justified. > > > > People genuinely ask astrologers to make us whole as a person and to end our sufferings so we can feel better, in the spiritual, metaphyisical and emotional way. WE want to be healed from our suffering > > > > There are great Muslim, Jewish, Catholic/Christian, and Sikh spiritualists/ healers. (i,e. who have faith in astrology and the power it brings-predictive or not. It is a true blessing. (i.e. Sant Isher Singh, predicted his own death and was a great spiritual healer who people revered from all over the world Nostradamus predicted WWI, II and 09/11. Mayan Astrology, and there is Chinese Feng Shui). In all these cases, studies have shown astrology is about healing, which these people were noted. Any epic stories, you hear all noblemen went to astrologers to predict what would happen in their lives, and did not do anything without their astrologers advise of yay or nay. Of course, people were killed over this too, i.e. Salem Witch hunt. > > > > Bottom line, dreams can help us to know what is going in our lives. Therefore, both astrology and dreams are simultaneous predictors of what is going through our life and ultimately deals with how can we as a human being heal our lives to get the next stage. > > > > Sorry for the long book, but I concur with KrishnanJi talking about the same thing over and over again..is really not that educational. > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > Param Kaur Grewal-Iqbal > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > Tue, March 2, 2010 4:48:31 PM > > Re: snake in dream > > > > > > Paramjit_jee, > > > > Please do not think of this question as an expression of flippancy, but if this were indeed true, Muslims, Christians, Jews and possibly a few other religious types would never dream of serpants! > > > > I am afraid, we might have to dig deeper than merely religious symbols of one religion (dominant as it may be in this world or at least this forum) in order to really explore and understand Randhra: The home of the Serpant Symbol! > > > > Regards, > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , Param Iqbal <param530@ .> wrote: > > > > > > I agree. I was told if you dream of Snakes, it has to do with Shiv Ji. Therefore, when I used to have these dreams. It was recommended I go to to pray to Lord Shiva at a temple, and pour milk on him and ask for his guidance and I did. > > > > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > > > Param Kaur Iqbal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Karan Kumari <architakhera@ ...> > > > > > > Sat, February 27, 2010 11:30:52 PM > > > Re: snake in dream > > > > > > > > > Dear raj > > > Why are u misleading people ? > > > > > > Dreams have great significance acc to ancient scriptures > > > > > > if u donot want to help stay aside. > > > > > > making fun of others feeling will make urself in trouble one day. > > > > > > archita > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Raj <rajbhardwaj1949@ .co. in> > > > > > > Sat, February 27, 2010 6:04:17 PM > > > Re: snake in dream > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev, > > > Watching snakes in dream is just like any other dream, please don't read too much into it. What if in the coming nights you dream about > > > Nehru,Gandhi, Aishwarya, Ravana, Lalu etc, and someone slaps you,someone gives you Rose, someone gives you abuses and then someone kisses you ?????? > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > Mr Dev, > > > > Where r u situated.if near to Delhi,please perforform govardhan Parikrama.In case in south,visit and pray in Subrhamanayeswarar temple in Palani. > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/25/10, dev <vdev17@> wrote: > > > > > > > > dev <vdev17@> > > > > snake in dream > > > > > > > > Thursday, February 25, 2010, 11:17 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear astrologers: > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > I again had a snake dream again around 5 days back where I was there with another unknown person. The snake came to him and bit him. I was frightened but then it went back. I was happy. Pl clarify. > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > 1-2-62 2.30am New Delhi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > > > > > > > > Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 5, 2010 Just another side not RR Ji, I thought the purpose of Jyotish Remedies is to help people out and not to bring people down. As so many people look to this forum to help them with their problems, how can one answer, which may not be liked, based on your opinion, not possibly be helpful for someone else? Kind Regards, Param Kaur Grewal-Iqbal ________________________________ Param Iqbal <param530 Thu, March 4, 2010 5:19:08 PM Re: snake in dream Understandable RRJi, per your request, you wanted a complete synopsis of all the various culture/religions and their interpretations and meaning of snakes, not I. Historically, the fundamentals are the same, but it is the culture that adds their own spin to the same stories/problems. In my opinion, the fundamentals of dreaming about a snake is either a good thing or not. In Hinduism and Sikhism, white snakes were talked about and considered very good and and black snakes are not, especially if they had their toungues out. Therefore, Sikhs have been known to appease Shiv Ji, at least that is what I have seen in my experience with my family and friends in the UK, where I used to go vacation every couple of years, US, where I have always lived and India, when I used to go visit my dad's family as well as Canada, where my family lives and my family in Seattle and NY/New Jersey in the Us. Our family is deeply religious in Sikhism, and we were not that into Hinduism, but I do have cousins who are Muslim and Hindu's. I grew up in private school where I had morning mass at 6 am in the morning in England. So I was extremely blessed to have the opportunity to be able to view all cultures with an open mind. Not too mention, California has a fantastic pot of gold of different ethnic backgrounds and we are not limited to one group of people. There is nothing like this wonderful state now going to Pot due to the economy. We always went to our family astrologer, who was Hindu-Punjabi, and he would prescribe us remedies for Mata Ji and Shiv Ji when we had dream afflictions. Alas, that wonderful man is no longer with us, but he was a great man to work with. He was open minded and was great at helping us with getting our rashi's and afflictions outlined for us and assisting us with remedial help. A true gem, who is sorely missed. On my in-laws side who are Muslim, they, too, see religious leaders who recommend certain remedies when there are dream afflictions with prayers and other stuff. However, since I have digressed, talking about my personal experiences. I was merely pointing out that cultures and religions try to appease the weakness through prayer and remedies. But since you wanted a comparison, who but yourself would be good at this, since you are more wiser than I and a true Jyotish. I am just a bystander. :-) Kind Regards, Param Kaur Grewal-Iqbal ________________________________ rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Thu, March 4, 2010 3:16:37 PM Re: snake in dream Let me try and take you back to the original issue which remained addressed in your earlier responses :-) You wrote: ||||||||||| > > , Param Iqbal <param530@ .> wrote: > > > > > > I agree. I was told if you dream of Snakes, it has to do with Shiv Ji. ||||||||||| I responded: > > Please do not think of this question as an expression of flippancy, but if this were indeed true, Muslims, Christians, Jews and possibly a few other religious types would never dream of serpants! > > ||||||||||| Obviously, the point I was raising was that the statement associating snake-dreams and Shivji is literally only applicable to those who believe in Shivji! Other religions too dream of snakes but the significances may be different! Hopefully you will see the irrelevance in your recent responses to the original matter, if not (highly likely -- that is fine too!) :-) A good example of Thread-drift/ topic-drift. Rohiniranjan , Param Iqbal <param530@.. .> wrote: > > Go for it, RR Ji. Why don't you present it to us? :-) I dare ya! > > > Kind Regards, > > Param Kaur Grewal-Iqbal > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Wed, March 3, 2010 7:00:33 PM > Re: snake in dream > > > Should we be mixing up " religions " and 'cultures', so recklessly? It dulls the acuity of evidence, sister! > > Before nailing the coffin shut as the expression goes, on this matter, the least one can do is to find and compare the significances of the 'snake dreams' in different MAJOR and EXISTING religions and draw a comparison and conclusion. > > It PAINS me to see how glibly and in a hand-waving way, we treat such serious matters such as dreams and nimitta which has caused obvious personal pain to an esteemed contributor on this forum, who did not deserve this and it just goes to demonstrate our collective spiritual maturity! And our seriousness and sincerity as a group! > > Is this what Jyotish and Divination has come down to...? > > Very SAD and DISTURBING, indeed! > > But to each his own, I suppose! > > Rohiniranjan > > , Param Iqbal <param530@ .> wrote: > > > > Hi, RR Ji. > > > > In regards to your comment, regarding this subject. I just have to say, it is proven that every religion has special meaning when it comes to dreams of serpants, scorpians, snakes. Look at the mayan culture and the early Egyptian, Greek, Chinese and Roman culture. When you look at ancient history, and review the heiroglyphics, serpants were very important in the early ages of time and mankind. > > > > Animals, in general, were revered or abhorred. Snakes or serpants, since the beginning of time, have always had significance in every culture in some way, shape or form. There have medicinal and remedial effects created to fix the dire suffering from this. Egyptian cultures worshipped cats and thought it was a bad omen, if you > > killed one. Just recently in the news, they did a story on how they > > found a cat temple in Alexandria, ancient Egypt. http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/jan/19/egypt-cat-god-temple-bastet > > > > > > Although, I am sikh, married to a man from a different culture, who is very open-minded in the differences of the cultures and accepts that although there are differences in the religions, the basic fundamentals are the same. The omnipresent. > > > > Astrology has a link to both the religion as well as daily interactions of having your spiritual, emotional and physical being conjoined to meet with the Omnipresent. That is why we end up in our latter days, after having to go through a midlife crisis, becoming more spiritual with the hopes of going to our maker and have our karma justified. > > > > People genuinely ask astrologers to make us whole as a person and to end our sufferings so we can feel better, in the spiritual, metaphyisical and emotional way. WE want to be healed from our suffering > > > > There are great Muslim, Jewish, Catholic/Christian, and Sikh spiritualists/ healers. (i,e. who have faith in astrology and the power it brings-predictive or not. It is a true blessing. (i.e. Sant Isher Singh, predicted his own death and was a great spiritual healer who people revered from all over the world Nostradamus predicted WWI, II and 09/11. Mayan Astrology, and there is Chinese Feng Shui). In all these cases, studies have shown astrology is about healing, which these people were noted. Any epic stories, you hear all noblemen went to astrologers to predict what would happen in their lives, and did not do anything without their astrologers advise of yay or nay. Of course, people were killed over this too, i.e. Salem Witch hunt. > > > > Bottom line, dreams can help us to know what is going in our lives. Therefore, both astrology and dreams are simultaneous predictors of what is going through our life and ultimately deals with how can we as a human being heal our lives to get the next stage. > > > > Sorry for the long book, but I concur with KrishnanJi talking about the same thing over and over again..is really not that educational. > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > Param Kaur Grewal-Iqbal > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > Tue, March 2, 2010 4:48:31 PM > > Re: snake in dream > > > > > > Paramjit_jee, > > > > Please do not think of this question as an expression of flippancy, but if this were indeed true, Muslims, Christians, Jews and possibly a few other religious types would never dream of serpants! > > > > I am afraid, we might have to dig deeper than merely religious symbols of one religion (dominant as it may be in this world or at least this forum) in order to really explore and understand Randhra: The home of the Serpant Symbol! > > > > Regards, > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , Param Iqbal <param530@ .> wrote: > > > > > > I agree. I was told if you dream of Snakes, it has to do with Shiv Ji. Therefore, when I used to have these dreams. It was recommended I go to to pray to Lord Shiva at a temple, and pour milk on him and ask for his guidance and I did. > > > > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > > > Param Kaur Iqbal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Karan Kumari <architakhera@ ...> > > > > > > Sat, February 27, 2010 11:30:52 PM > > > Re: snake in dream > > > > > > > > > Dear raj > > > Why are u misleading people ? > > > > > > Dreams have great significance acc to ancient scriptures > > > > > > if u donot want to help stay aside. > > > > > > making fun of others feeling will make urself in trouble one day. > > > > > > archita > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Raj <rajbhardwaj1949@ .co. in> > > > > > > Sat, February 27, 2010 6:04:17 PM > > > Re: snake in dream > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev, > > > Watching snakes in dream is just like any other dream, please don't read too much into it. What if in the coming nights you dream about > > > Nehru,Gandhi, Aishwarya, Ravana, Lalu etc, and someone slaps you,someone gives you Rose, someone gives you abuses and then someone kisses you ?????? > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > Mr Dev, > > > > Where r u situated.if near to Delhi,please perforform govardhan Parikrama.In case in south,visit and pray in Subrhamanayeswarar temple in Palani. > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/25/10, dev <vdev17@> wrote: > > > > > > > > dev <vdev17@> > > > > snake in dream > > > > > > > > Thursday, February 25, 2010, 11:17 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear astrologers: > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > I again had a snake dream again around 5 days back where I was there with another unknown person. The snake came to him and bit him. I was frightened but then it went back. I was happy. Pl clarify. > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > 1-2-62 2.30am New Delhi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > > > > > > > > Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 5, 2010 Once there was a young lad who was diagnosed with a disorder that involves skeletal muscles and could not run fast or run away, for that matter, Krishnan Dada. He was raised in rather interesting surroundings: A nearly 150 years old rambling house with a huge round lawn (easily 40 feet in diameter) towards the south with a round hemispherical tank of water to its south and a small rock-garden/forest towards the east direction. The round grass-lawn was used for playing games and for banquets and was riddled with holes and tunnels in which snakes lived. The evidence of those was during monsoon when the cobras emerged from their holes, each year. The rock-forest was full of snakes and scorpions and many other scary insects, observed as well as imagined! The little boy was always fascinated by these dangerous animals but often roamed around in the forest and the GOL-MAATH (no typo there!!). Years later, the boy, now grown moved to a newer building. The cobra friend followed and was seen to be making a home right at the entrance. This newer house too faced the EAST! The boy left home and moved away, far far away and at a time the house, no more a home remained vacant for a while. A cobra was reported to be seen in this empty house, as if guarding it. Amazing coincidences, indeed! RR_, , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Pushpa Ji and Members,It is better we move away from snakes and dreams and find discussions more meaningfully on restlessness and anxiety.Mr Dev has raised the issues and it was answered.His reply/feed back substantiates to all his doubts.Where as  Pushpa Ji,recently you have addressed your concerns to the group.The issues now raised about intution etc confuses further about dreams.In fact dreams as  part of jyotish  has been discussed substantially.So if you want to ask about your premonitions/intutions etc that will be dealt seperately from the header... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 5, 2010 Some of the weakest muscles in human body are those in the eyes and that hold the neck up, Paramjit jee! When we humans have been looking up towards the skies too long with our neck muscles extended and our eye muscles too focussed on the HEAVENS, it is advisable to put the astro-telescopes aside and to let the tired eye and neck muscles relax! And when we do that, from time to time, what ensues? Our necks relax, our head bows down and what do we see, next? Our Feet and where those rest: Ground zero or Earthly reality! Just a thought...! Rohiniranjan , Param Iqbal <param530 wrote: > > Just another side not RR Ji, I thought the purpose of Jyotish Remedies is to help people out and not to bring people down. As so many people look to this forum to help them with their problems, how can one answer, which may not be liked, based on your opinion, not possibly be helpful for someone else? > > > Kind Regards, > > Param Kaur Grewal-Iqbal > > > > > ________________________________ > Param Iqbal <param530 > > Thu, March 4, 2010 5:19:08 PM > Re: snake in dream > > > > > Understandable RRJi, per your request, you wanted a complete synopsis of all the various culture/religions and their interpretations and meaning of snakes, not I. Historically, the fundamentals are the same, but it is the culture that adds their own spin to the same stories/problems. > > In my opinion, the fundamentals of dreaming about a snake is either a good thing or not. In Hinduism and Sikhism, white snakes were talked about and considered very good and and black snakes are not, especially if they had their toungues out. Therefore, Sikhs have been known to appease Shiv Ji, at least that is what I have seen in my experience with my family and friends in the UK, where I used to go vacation every couple of years, US, where I have always lived and India, when I used to go visit my dad's family as well as Canada, where my family lives and my family in Seattle and NY/New Jersey in the Us. > > Our family is deeply religious in Sikhism, and we were not that into Hinduism, but I do have cousins who are Muslim and Hindu's. I grew up in private school where I had morning mass at 6 am in the morning in England. So I was extremely blessed to have the opportunity to be able to view all cultures with an open mind. Not too mention, California has a fantastic pot of gold of different ethnic backgrounds and we are not limited to one group of people. There is nothing like this wonderful state now going to Pot due to the economy. > > We always went to our family astrologer, who was Hindu-Punjabi, and he would prescribe us > remedies for Mata Ji and Shiv Ji when we had dream afflictions. Alas, that wonderful man is no longer with us, but he was a great man to > work with. He was open minded and was great at helping us with getting our rashi's and afflictions outlined for us and assisting us with remedial help. A true gem, who is sorely missed. > > On my in-laws side who are Muslim, they, too, see religious leaders who recommend certain remedies when there are dream afflictions with prayers and other stuff. > > However, since I have digressed, talking about my personal experiences. I was merely pointing out that cultures and religions try to appease the weakness through prayer and remedies. > > But since you wanted a comparison, who but yourself would be good at this, since you are more wiser than I and a true Jyotish. I am just a bystander. :-) > > > Kind Regards, > > Param Kaur Grewal-Iqbal > > > > > ________________________________ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > > Thu, March 4, 2010 3:16:37 PM > Re: snake in dream > > > Let me try and take you back to the original issue which remained addressed in your earlier responses :-) > > You wrote: > ||||||||||| > > > , Param Iqbal <param530@ .> wrote: > > > > > > > > I agree. I was told if you dream of Snakes, it has to do with Shiv Ji. > ||||||||||| > > I responded: > > > Please do not think of this question as an expression of flippancy, but if this were indeed true, Muslims, Christians, Jews and possibly a few other religious types would never dream of serpants! > > > > ||||||||||| > > Obviously, the point I was raising was that the statement associating snake-dreams and Shivji is literally only applicable to those who believe in Shivji! > > Other religions too dream of snakes but the significances may be different! > > Hopefully you will see the irrelevance in your recent responses to the original matter, if not (highly likely -- that is fine too!) :-) > > A good example of Thread-drift/ topic-drift. > > Rohiniranjan > > , Param Iqbal <param530@ .> wrote: > > > > Go for it, RR Ji. Why don't you present it to us? :-) I dare ya! > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > Param Kaur Grewal-Iqbal > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > Wed, March 3, 2010 7:00:33 PM > > Re: snake in dream > > > > > > Should we be mixing up " religions " and 'cultures', so recklessly? It dulls the acuity of evidence, sister! > > > > Before nailing the coffin shut as the expression goes, on this matter, the least one can do is to find and compare the significances of the 'snake dreams' in different MAJOR and EXISTING religions and draw a comparison and conclusion. > > > > It PAINS me to see how glibly and in a hand-waving way, we treat such serious matters such as dreams and nimitta which has caused obvious personal pain to an esteemed contributor on this forum, who did not deserve this and it just goes to demonstrate our collective spiritual maturity! And our seriousness and sincerity as a group! > > > > Is this what Jyotish and Divination has come down to...? > > > > Very SAD and DISTURBING, indeed! > > > > But to each his own, I suppose! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , Param Iqbal <param530@ .> wrote: > > > > > > Hi, RR Ji. > > > > > > In regards to your comment, regarding this subject. I just have to say, it is proven that every religion has special meaning when it comes to dreams of serpants, scorpians, snakes. Look at the mayan culture and the early Egyptian, Greek, Chinese and Roman culture. When you look at ancient history, and review the heiroglyphics, serpants were very important in the early ages of time and mankind. > > > > > > Animals, in general, were revered or abhorred. Snakes or serpants, since the beginning of time, have always had significance in every culture in some way, shape or form. There have medicinal and remedial effects created to fix the dire suffering from this. Egyptian cultures worshipped cats and thought it was a bad omen, if you > > > killed one. Just recently in the news, they did a story on how they > > > found a cat temple in Alexandria, ancient Egypt. http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/jan/19/egypt-cat-god-temple-bastet > > > > > > > > > Although, I am sikh, married to a man from a different culture, who is very open-minded in the differences of the cultures and accepts that although there are differences in the religions, the basic fundamentals are the same. The omnipresent. > > > > > > Astrology has a link to both the religion as well as daily interactions of having your spiritual, emotional and physical being conjoined to meet with the Omnipresent. That is why we end up in our latter days, after having to go through a midlife crisis, becoming more spiritual with the hopes of going to our maker and have our karma justified. > > > > > > People genuinely ask astrologers to make us whole as a person and to end our sufferings so we can feel better, in the spiritual, metaphyisical and emotional way. WE want to be healed from our suffering > > > > > > There are great Muslim, Jewish, Catholic/Christian, and Sikh spiritualists/ healers. (i,e. who have faith in astrology and the power it brings-predictive or not. It is a true blessing. (i.e. Sant Isher Singh, predicted his own death and was a great spiritual healer who people revered from all over the world Nostradamus predicted WWI, II and 09/11. Mayan Astrology, and there is Chinese Feng Shui). In all these cases, studies have shown astrology is about healing, which these people were noted. Any epic stories, you hear all noblemen went to astrologers to predict what would happen in their lives, and did not do anything without their astrologers advise of yay or nay. Of course, people were killed over this too, i.e. Salem Witch hunt. > > > > > > Bottom line, dreams can help us to know what is going in our lives. Therefore, both astrology and dreams are simultaneous predictors of what is going through our life and ultimately deals with how can we as a human being heal our lives to get the next stage. > > > > > > Sorry for the long book, but I concur with KrishnanJi talking about the same thing over and over again..is really not that educational. > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > > > Param Kaur Grewal-Iqbal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > Tue, March 2, 2010 4:48:31 PM > > > Re: snake in dream > > > > > > > > > Paramjit_jee, > > > > > > Please do not think of this question as an expression of flippancy, but if this were indeed true, Muslims, Christians, Jews and possibly a few other religious types would never dream of serpants! > > > > > > I am afraid, we might have to dig deeper than merely religious symbols of one religion (dominant as it may be in this world or at least this forum) in order to really explore and understand Randhra: The home of the Serpant Symbol! > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , Param Iqbal <param530@ .> wrote: > > > > > > > > I agree. I was told if you dream of Snakes, it has to do with Shiv Ji. Therefore, when I used to have these dreams. It was recommended I go to to pray to Lord Shiva at a temple, and pour milk on him and ask for his guidance and I did. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > > > > > Param Kaur Iqbal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Karan Kumari <architakhera@ ...> > > > > > > > > Sat, February 27, 2010 11:30:52 PM > > > > Re: snake in dream > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear raj > > > > Why are u misleading people ? > > > > > > > > Dreams have great significance acc to ancient scriptures > > > > > > > > if u donot want to help stay aside. > > > > > > > > making fun of others feeling will make urself in trouble one day. > > > > > > > > archita > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Raj <rajbhardwaj1949@ .co. in> > > > > > > > > Sat, February 27, 2010 6:04:17 PM > > > > Re: snake in dream > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev, > > > > Watching snakes in dream is just like any other dream, please don't read too much into it. What if in the coming nights you dream about > > > > Nehru,Gandhi, Aishwarya, Ravana, Lalu etc, and someone slaps you,someone gives you Rose, someone gives you abuses and then someone kisses you ?????? > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Mr Dev, > > > > > Where r u situated.if near to Delhi,please perforform govardhan Parikrama.In case in south,visit and pray in Subrhamanayeswarar temple in Palani. > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/25/10, dev <vdev17@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dev <vdev17@> > > > > > snake in dream > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, February 25, 2010, 11:17 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear astrologers: > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > I again had a snake dream again around 5 days back where I was there with another unknown person. The snake came to him and bit him. I was frightened but then it went back. I was happy. Pl clarify. > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > 1-2-62 2.30am New Delhi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > > > > > > > > > > Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 5, 2010 Da, here you have been caught red-handed, including celibates among baby-boomers ( " 'baby-boomers' tend to be generally more resilient " )!! -vj ===================== === , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Yes I agree! I have notice that 'baby-boomers' tend to be generally more resilient and have tougher skins than the younger generations! > > Rohiniranjan > > <OOPS! Before posting this, I should have located my Teflon Kavach, now that the rotten tamatars and Andaas are sure to become Air-borne and North-bound!> > > > > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > > I fail to see what was offending !! I was quoting others because I do not want to quote myself, although I had profusely quoted myself in bachelor's examination three decades ago and got topmost grade ! > > > > -vj > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > I was not criticising Vinay Jha Jee. He was merely quoting others, so there is no reason to confuse my question as criticism. > > > > > > I find that there is too much 'sensitivity' in some of these forums even though it is a 'sounding board'! > > > > > > Everyone expresses their personal perspective here just as you did. The question of offense does not arise, please rest assured :-) > > > > > > These are very *disturbed* times is all I can observe! > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > , Rakesh Kumar <rakesh_771119@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear RR Ji, > > > > Your question regarding Vinay ji post (i) " I am nothing every thing is god " If I every thing is god is every thing then why " I " remaining as a nothing.is not a question of mental level.It relates to the refined stage of wisdom called " pragya " .and when a soul got the experience of self realization then the truth appeared it self.This question is not the matter of discussion but at last Vinay Ji has given a direction also that we can learn some thing very great through " Patanjali Yog Sutra " This is a authentic book on practical yoga science,but there are very rare who have the practical knowledge about it.I apologize if any of my comment hurt any body. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Rakesh Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 5, 2010 You are right! We should be more careful when we pick up knives in our hands! Rohiniranjan , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > Da, here you have been caught red-handed, including celibates among baby-boomers ( " 'baby-boomers' tend to be generally more > resilient " )!! > > -vj > ===================== === > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Yes I agree! I have notice that 'baby-boomers' tend to be generally more resilient and have tougher skins than the younger generations! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > <OOPS! Before posting this, I should have located my Teflon Kavach, now that the rotten tamatars and Andaas are sure to become Air-borne and North-bound!> > > > > > > > > > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > > > > I fail to see what was offending !! I was quoting others because I do not want to quote myself, although I had profusely quoted myself in bachelor's examination three decades ago and got topmost grade ! > > > > > > -vj > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I was not criticising Vinay Jha Jee. He was merely quoting others, so there is no reason to confuse my question as criticism. > > > > > > > > I find that there is too much 'sensitivity' in some of these forums even though it is a 'sounding board'! > > > > > > > > Everyone expresses their personal perspective here just as you did. The question of offense does not arise, please rest assured :-) > > > > > > > > These are very *disturbed* times is all I can observe! > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > , Rakesh Kumar <rakesh_771119@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear RR Ji, > > > > > Your question regarding Vinay ji post (i) " I am nothing every thing is god " If I every thing is god is every thing then why " I " remaining as a nothing.is not a question of mental level.It relates to the refined stage of wisdom called " pragya " .and when a soul got the experience of self realization then the truth appeared it self.This question is not the matter of discussion but at last Vinay Ji has given a direction also that we can learn some thing very great through " Patanjali Yog Sutra " This is a authentic book on practical yoga science,but there are very rare who have the practical knowledge about it.I apologize if any of my comment hurt any body. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Rakesh Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 5, 2010 Sir, Very mind boggling episode.religion and culture come together,i is the tantric ways that take the driving seat and less of Astrology. we rever all occult practices to win over enemies and the ways deployed to harass innocent people. Those negative approaches may sustain a limited time.It is the mano bal that needs to strengthened that can give positive frame work to handle difficult situations.This will also help in proper relaxation and rest and aids to less space for dreams. The snake is still on it's hunt though v might be discussing several other issues which really might be worth to understand. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Thu, 3/4/10, VJha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: VJha <vinayjhaa16 Re: snake in dream Thursday, March 4, 2010, 12:59 PM  Rohini Da, May I be allowed to mix up " religion " and 'culture' a bit? A tantric was deliberately attacking my gurukula-cum- college for months. At last (Jan 2010), I asked the students to engage him in a shaastraartha, although the tantric tried to flee. He threatened me of dire consequences on account of his tantric powers. I challenged him to do so. The following night, I saw a dream in which someone in darkness was trying to suffocate me to death by forcibly closing my nostrils, but in that dream I cut that person into two pieces merely my means of mental Samkalpa (I had earlier practised it for years, even in dreams). Just after that I awoke and found it was beginning of Braahma-muhurta. Next day, one of my relatives told me that this tantric had powers to send dreams to others. -vj ============ ========= === == , Param Iqbal <param530@.. .> wrote: > > Go for it, RR Ji. Why don't you present it to us? :-) I dare ya! > > > Kind Regards, > > Param Kaur Grewal-Iqbal > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Wed, March 3, 2010 7:00:33 PM > Re: snake in dream > > > Should we be mixing up " religions " and 'cultures', so recklessly? It dulls the acuity of evidence, sister! > > Before nailing the coffin shut as the expression goes, on this matter, the least one can do is to find and compare the significances of the 'snake dreams' in different MAJOR and EXISTING religions and draw a comparison and conclusion. > > It PAINS me to see how glibly and in a hand-waving way, we treat such serious matters such as dreams and nimitta which has caused obvious personal pain to an esteemed contributor on this forum, who did not deserve this and it just goes to demonstrate our collective spiritual maturity! And our seriousness and sincerity as a group! > > Is this what Jyotish and Divination has come down to...? > > Very SAD and DISTURBING, indeed! > > But to each his own, I suppose! > > Rohiniranjan > > , Param Iqbal <param530@ .> wrote: > > > > Hi, RR Ji. > > > > In regards to your comment, regarding this subject. I just have to say, it is proven that every religion has special meaning when it comes to dreams of serpants, scorpians, snakes. Look at the mayan culture and the early Egyptian, Greek, Chinese and Roman culture. When you look at ancient history, and review the heiroglyphics, serpants were very important in the early ages of time and mankind. > > > > Animals, in general, were revered or abhorred. Snakes or serpants, since the beginning of time, have always had significance in every culture in some way, shape or form. There have medicinal and remedial effects created to fix the dire suffering from this. Egyptian cultures worshipped cats and thought it was a bad omen, if you > > killed one. Just recently in the news, they did a story on how they > > found a cat temple in Alexandria, ancient Egypt. http://www.guardian ..co.uk/science/ 2010/jan/ 19/egypt- cat-god-temple- bastet > > > > > > Although, I am sikh, married to a man from a different culture, who is very open-minded in the differences of the cultures and accepts that although there are differences in the religions, the basic fundamentals are the same. The omnipresent. > > > > Astrology has a link to both the religion as well as daily interactions of having your spiritual, emotional and physical being conjoined to meet with the Omnipresent. That is why we end up in our latter days, after having to go through a midlife crisis, becoming more spiritual with the hopes of going to our maker and have our karma justified. > > > > People genuinely ask astrologers to make us whole as a person and to end our sufferings so we can feel better, in the spiritual, metaphyisical and emotional way. WE want to be healed from our suffering > > > > There are great Muslim, Jewish, Catholic/Christian, and Sikh spiritualists/ healers. (i,e. who have faith in astrology and the power it brings-predictive or not. It is a true blessing. (i.e. Sant Isher Singh, predicted his own death and was a great spiritual healer who people revered from all over the world Nostradamus predicted WWI, II and 09/11. Mayan Astrology, and there is Chinese Feng Shui). In all these cases, studies have shown astrology is about healing, which these people were noted. Any epic stories, you hear all noblemen went to astrologers to predict what would happen in their lives, and did not do anything without their astrologers advise of yay or nay. Of course, people were killed over this too, i.e. Salem Witch hunt. > > > > Bottom line, dreams can help us to know what is going in our lives. Therefore, both astrology and dreams are simultaneous predictors of what is going through our life and ultimately deals with how can we as a human being heal our lives to get the next stage. > > > > Sorry for the long book, but I concur with KrishnanJi talking about the same thing over and over again..is really not that educational. > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > Param Kaur Grewal-Iqbal > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > Tue, March 2, 2010 4:48:31 PM > > Re: snake in dream > > > > > > Paramjit_jee, > > > > Please do not think of this question as an expression of flippancy, but if this were indeed true, Muslims, Christians, Jews and possibly a few other religious types would never dream of serpants! > > > > I am afraid, we might have to dig deeper than merely religious symbols of one religion (dominant as it may be in this world or at least this forum) in order to really explore and understand Randhra: The home of the Serpant Symbol! > > > > Regards, > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , Param Iqbal <param530@ .> wrote: > > > > > > I agree. I was told if you dream of Snakes, it has to do with Shiv Ji. Therefore, when I used to have these dreams. It was recommended I go to to pray to Lord Shiva at a temple, and pour milk on him and ask for his guidance and I did. > > > > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > > > Param Kaur Iqbal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Karan Kumari <architakhera@ ...> > > > > > > Sat, February 27, 2010 11:30:52 PM > > > Re: snake in dream > > > > > > > > > Dear raj > > > Why are u misleading people ? > > > > > > Dreams have great significance acc to ancient scriptures > > > > > > if u donot want to help stay aside. > > > > > > making fun of others feeling will make urself in trouble one day. > > > > > > archita > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Raj <rajbhardwaj1949@ .co. in> > > > > > > Sat, February 27, 2010 6:04:17 PM > > > Re: snake in dream > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev, > > > Watching snakes in dream is just like any other dream, please don't read too much into it. What if in the coming nights you dream about > > > Nehru,Gandhi, Aishwarya, Ravana, Lalu etc, and someone slaps you,someone gives you Rose, someone gives you abuses and then someone kisses you ?????? > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > Mr Dev, > > > > Where r u situated.if near to Delhi,please perforform govardhan Parikrama.In case in south,visit and pray in Subrhamanayeswarar temple in Palani. > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/25/10, dev <vdev17@> wrote: > > > > > > > > dev <vdev17@> > > > > snake in dream > > > > > > > > Thursday, February 25, 2010, 11:17 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear astrologers: > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > I again had a snake dream again around 5 days back where I was there with another unknown person. The snake came to him and bit him. I was frightened but then it went back. I was happy. Pl clarify. > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > 1-2-62 2.30am New Delhi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > > > > > > > > Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
