Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 10:57 AM > > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 10:19 AM > > > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 9:18 AM > > > > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 8:57 AM > > > > > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Common sense......is common sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Common sense " is overrunning the planet, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > committing genocides, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > constant warfare, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > economic breakdown, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > atomic bombs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > global warming, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do ya think maybe these are " people just like you and I " > > > > > > > > > > involved > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > all this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Common sense " at work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest to abandon 'common sense' as soon as possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > running away from bombs?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i thought that this your common spiritual peace, happiness and > > > > > > > > > love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > couldn't be destroyed....even not by atomic bombs.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What 'peace, happiness and love' is that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And who ever suggested running away from bombs? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no common sense with happiness, peace and love?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, because common sense is the sense society has accepted as > > > > > > > good..and > > > > > > > society is insane, mad. > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the only madness existing....can only be yours.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > Everything is IT. Humans eat fruits and meat but not wood. Some humans > > > > > > eat > > > > > > excrements. I feel sick with that. I feel " somehting " whem children are > > > > > > miss-treated. I feel " something " with atom bombs. Some love it. > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do you realy expect " something " different when the eyes of the identity > > > > > called " geo " look at the world....?..... > > > > > > > > > > wake up > > > > > > > > > > the world is only about worldly things > > > > > > > > > > and ever will be... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > It is not geo as some identity looking at the world - wake up! > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > si si geo.... > > > > > > > > the eyes of geo are seeing this your mentionned " bombs " .... > > > > some other eyes are seeing something else... > > > > > > > > geo> Geo or marc can not look or see. Even consciousness can not see. > > > > > > > > geo can only see what he Is... > > > > marc can only see what he Is... > > > > > > > > geo> Look carefully. Not geo and marc seeing. When there is seing what one > > > > is - if that is really the case - then one is consciousness, one is > > > > everything that falls upon the senses...whic is indeed the world. So now we > > > > are ble to say " I am the world " - but not geo or marc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wake up... > > > > want to fight the bombs with some appearent others?.... > > > > ...if so....you are already dead.... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > Did I say I want to fight bombs? Where? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > good... > > > > > > then everything is fine... > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > Everything is not fine. > > > > Everything is very far from fine. > > > > Indeed, there is rampant ugliness of apparently separated me's and their mutual self-admiration, self-lust, self-fear, acquisitiveness, blindness, panic, need for each other, fear of each other, aggression, obliviousness, cannibalism, destructiveness, self-destructiveness. > > > > This dream manifests choicelessly. > > > > If unfolds choicelessly. > > > > Its beginning is in its end. > > > > One aware is undisturbed by even the worse nightmare of manifesting images. > > > > I am this suffering. > > > > I am this fear. > > > > And thus, I am beyond this dream, in the midst of it. > > > > Not " I " as a particular I of a particular being. > > > > One is awake, choicelessly. > > > > Awareness manifests the dream, is the dream, and is as is, as the dream ends. > > > > Aware, this is the end of the dream, now. > > > > It is always the end of the world. > > > > - D - > > > > > > yes.... > > ... > > but then.....now....here... > > there is the " end of the world " ....again... > > So, everything remain fine.....as ever before... > > > Marc The end of the world ... always ... timelessly. Choicelessly. The end of the commentator about the end of the world ... -- D -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 11:11 AM > > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 10:57 AM > > > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 10:19 AM > > > > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 9:18 AM > > > > > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 8:57 AM > > > > > > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Common sense......is common sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Common sense " is overrunning the planet, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > committing genocides, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > constant warfare, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > economic breakdown, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > atomic bombs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > global warming, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do ya think maybe these are " people just like you and I " > > > > > > > > > > > involved > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > all this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Common sense " at work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest to abandon 'common sense' as soon as possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > running away from bombs?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i thought that this your common spiritual peace, happiness and > > > > > > > > > > love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > couldn't be destroyed....even not by atomic bombs.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What 'peace, happiness and love' is that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And who ever suggested running away from bombs? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no common sense with happiness, peace and love?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, because common sense is the sense society has accepted as > > > > > > > > good..and > > > > > > > > society is insane, mad. > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the only madness existing....can only be yours.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Everything is IT. Humans eat fruits and meat but not wood. Some humans > > > > > > > eat > > > > > > > excrements. I feel sick with that. I feel " somehting " whem children > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > miss-treated. I feel " something " with atom bombs. Some love it. > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do you realy expect " something " different when the eyes of the identity > > > > > > called " geo " look at the world....?..... > > > > > > > > > > > > wake up > > > > > > > > > > > > the world is only about worldly things > > > > > > > > > > > > and ever will be... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not geo as some identity looking at the world - wake up! > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > si si geo.... > > > > > > > > > > the eyes of geo are seeing this your mentionned " bombs " .... > > > > > some other eyes are seeing something else... > > > > > > > > > > geo> Geo or marc can not look or see. Even consciousness can not see. > > > > > > > > > > geo can only see what he Is... > > > > > marc can only see what he Is... > > > > > > > > > > geo> Look carefully. Not geo and marc seeing. When there is seing what one > > > > > is - if that is really the case - then one is consciousness, one is > > > > > everything that falls upon the senses...whic is indeed the world. So now > > > > > we > > > > > are ble to say " I am the world " - but not geo or marc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wake up... > > > > > want to fight the bombs with some appearent others?.... > > > > > ...if so....you are already dead.... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > Did I say I want to fight bombs? Where? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > good... > > > > > > > > then everything is fine... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > It there is interest lets dig a bit more. > > > > Are you able to say " I am the world " ? What is marc then? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > i have no problems with what i see....it's just fine... > > > > > > how about you?....having problems?.... > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > A me saying it is fine, asking another me across a distance if it is having problems - > > > > this is not fine. > > > > this is the dream of separation. > > > > - D - > > > > the " me " (geo) didn't want/accept the reality of being this his/her world...... > > would say....that's indeed a problem for this " geo " fiction.... > > .... > > to presume that there is no problem...when there is one....isn't fine, true > > > Marc Truly, it ends here, now. If it ends in bliss ... If it ends in agony ... If it ends in stillness ... If it ends in commotion ... If it ends with a problem ... If it ends with no problem ... It ends. Where it began. No time. -- D -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > It ends. > > Where it began. > > > No time. > > > -- D -- One takes much time talking about no-time, in a timely fashion ;-). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dennis_travis33 > > Nisargadatta > > Friday, August 14, 2009 7:13 AM > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > but then.....now....here... > > > > > > there is the " end of the world " ....again... > > > > > > So, everything remain fine.....as ever before... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > Right. Would you say is an on-off thing? > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > the world an on-off thing?.... > > > > ... > > > > wait....which world?... > > > > is there a world?.... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > Not sure how to put it. > > The end of the world is an on-off thing? > > -geo- > > > > there is no world for real > > so there can also no be any end of any world > > ... > > the world you are talking about is made of pure fiction > > some take such fiction for real > > this cause endless problems > > and the fictions go on...and on...and on.... > > until the end of times... > > .... > > those who take it for realy real... > > are poor souls and spirits.... > > their mind is restless.... > > no peace.... > > .... Do you take them for real? If not, why comment about them? If they are worthy of commenting about, how unreal are they to you? > some are even proud of their ignorance... > > in fact....pride and ignorance go together.... > > as well as many other feelings, emotions, fears, etc > > .... > > impossible to switch off any imaginary world....of imaginary little egos.... > > they don't know who they are... > > and don't know what they do.... > > .... > > the world is the perfect playground for them... > > they need the world like the baby need the mother... > > .... > > Nothing is realy " fine " in this their little imaginary ego & world > > .... > > and never will be... > > ... > > because of a reason... > > they will never understand..... > > .... > > therefore they leave all to an imaginary " God " ... > > or to a mysterious " consciousness " ... > > ... > > fools > > fools... > > ... > > Marc Do you honestly believe yourself to exist in a superior place, looking down on the fools with their egos? You don't see the ego involved in this stance? - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dennis_travis33 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Friday, August 14, 2009 7:13 AM > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > but then.....now....here... > > > > > > > > there is the " end of the world " ....again... > > > > > > > > So, everything remain fine.....as ever before... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > Right. Would you say is an on-off thing? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the world an on-off thing?.... > > > > > > ... > > > > > > wait....which world?... > > > > > > is there a world?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > Not sure how to put it. > > > The end of the world is an on-off thing? > > > -geo- > > > > > > > there is no world for real > > > > so there can also no be any end of any world > > > > ... > > > > the world you are talking about is made of pure fiction > > > > some take such fiction for real > > > > this cause endless problems > > > > and the fictions go on...and on...and on.... > > > > until the end of times... > > > > .... > > > > those who take it for realy real... > > > > are poor souls and spirits.... > > > > their mind is restless.... > > > > no peace.... > > > > .... > > > Do you take them for real? > > If not, why comment about them? > > > If they are worthy of commenting about, how unreal are they to you? > > > > > some are even proud of their ignorance... > > > > in fact....pride and ignorance go together.... > > > > as well as many other feelings, emotions, fears, etc > > > > .... > > > > impossible to switch off any imaginary world....of imaginary little egos.... > > > > they don't know who they are... > > > > and don't know what they do.... > > > > .... > > > > the world is the perfect playground for them... > > > > they need the world like the baby need the mother... > > > > .... > > > > Nothing is realy " fine " in this their little imaginary ego & world > > > > .... > > > > and never will be... > > > > ... > > > > because of a reason... > > > > they will never understand..... > > > > .... > > > > therefore they leave all to an imaginary " God " ... > > > > or to a mysterious " consciousness " ... > > > > ... > > > > fools > > > > fools... > > > > ... > > > > Marc > > > Do you honestly believe yourself to exist in a superior place, looking down on the fools with their egos? > > You don't see the ego involved in this stance? > > - D - > Are you asking an ego to take a look good at itself? toombari Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > The gurus that you like are the one's who agree with your > > > misconceptions. > > > > > > Gurus are great for those in their infancy. > > > > > > But if you want this......after a point......you must strike out on > your own. > > > > Watch out for Wayne, then ;-). > > > > Gurus who position as non-gurus are still gurus. > > > >Wayne's website shows images of Ramana, Nisargadatta, Ramesh Balseksar, and Wayne Liquorman as if there were some kind of lineage going on. I'm surprised that Balsekar would annoint Wayne as a Teacher. I guess there is always a need by some for more gurus. If there is a lineage, there is a consistent teaching passed down. There are others who need to receive the teaching. There is a process going on over time. There is nothing wrong about any of this - it's just another human-centered drama. But can it provide that which involves no time? That which has no division into separate beings? One reaches (now, without moving) the end of the dramas of time. One is subsumed, consumed, and the entire world of perception, past, present, future. This is acausal. It is not the result of any drama of time. It is not the result of any consistently existing thing, teaching, being, school. What didn't come into an existence, can't go out of existence, can't have consistency over time. Nothing has ever been said about what this is. But, being subsumed, consumed -- one knows. Not that one knows anything. The not knowing of anything, is the knowing. Just as nothing being said, is its teaching of no-teaching, from itself to itself with no time, through consumation that leaves no inside or outside. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nothing has ever been said about what this is.-d- But the drive to try to....certainly conveys something! -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 - geo Nisargadatta Friday, August 14, 2009 4:03 PM Re: Re: Common Sense (Toomie) Nothing has ever been said about what this is. -d- But the drive to try to....certainly conveys something! Not the words, not the human being saying them, but the will to do it. LOL -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > It ends. > > > > Where it began. > > > > > > No time. > > > > > > -- D -- > > One takes much time talking about no-time, in a timely fashion ;-). Yes. And all the talk of all the talks talked, is talk about no-time, once it is understood that way. Talk of, about, from, and toward, no-time. All the time ... It is every number on the clock, stated by everyone you meet, heard on every station on the radio ... Smiles, - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Friday, August 14, 2009 7:13 AM > > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but then.....now....here... > > > > > > > > > > there is the " end of the world " ....again... > > > > > > > > > > So, everything remain fine.....as ever before... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > Right. Would you say is an on-off thing? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the world an on-off thing?.... > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > wait....which world?... > > > > > > > > is there a world?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > Not sure how to put it. > > > > The end of the world is an on-off thing? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > there is no world for real > > > > > > so there can also no be any end of any world > > > > > > ... > > > > > > the world you are talking about is made of pure fiction > > > > > > some take such fiction for real > > > > > > this cause endless problems > > > > > > and the fictions go on...and on...and on.... > > > > > > until the end of times... > > > > > > .... > > > > > > those who take it for realy real... > > > > > > are poor souls and spirits.... > > > > > > their mind is restless.... > > > > > > no peace.... > > > > > > .... > > > > > > Do you take them for real? > > > > If not, why comment about them? > > > > > > If they are worthy of commenting about, how unreal are they to you? > > > > > > > > > some are even proud of their ignorance... > > > > > > in fact....pride and ignorance go together.... > > > > > > as well as many other feelings, emotions, fears, etc > > > > > > .... > > > > > > impossible to switch off any imaginary world....of imaginary little egos.... > > > > > > they don't know who they are... > > > > > > and don't know what they do.... > > > > > > .... > > > > > > the world is the perfect playground for them... > > > > > > they need the world like the baby need the mother... > > > > > > .... > > > > > > Nothing is realy " fine " in this their little imaginary ego & world > > > > > > .... > > > > > > and never will be... > > > > > > ... > > > > > > because of a reason... > > > > > > they will never understand..... > > > > > > .... > > > > > > therefore they leave all to an imaginary " God " ... > > > > > > or to a mysterious " consciousness " ... > > > > > > ... > > > > > > fools > > > > > > fools... > > > > > > ... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > Do you honestly believe yourself to exist in a superior place, looking down on the fools with their egos? > > > > You don't see the ego involved in this stance? > > > > - D - > > > > > > Are you asking an ego to take a look good at itself? > > > > > toombari No, not at all. I'm asking that which doesn't have a boundary to look at a stance being assumed. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > Nothing has ever been said about what this is. > -d- > > But the drive to try to....certainly conveys something! > -geo- Yes. And I'm not trying to succeed. I'm doing my best, knowing that I fail. I enjoy failing miserably. That way, because I fail, I can hear this " what is " in every sound that comes my way. I feel the same way about suffering. I do my best to help with human suffering, knowing that I fail. I enjoy failing miserably. That way, because I fail, I can see what is through every apparent suffering being I meet. -- Dan -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Friday, August 14, 2009 4:41 PM Re: Common Sense (Toomie) Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Friday, August 14, 2009 7:13 AM > > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but then.....now....here... > > > > > > > > > > there is the " end of the world " ....again... > > > > > > > > > > So, everything remain fine.....as ever before... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > Right. Would you say is an on-off thing? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the world an on-off thing?.... > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > wait....which world?... > > > > > > > > is there a world?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > Not sure how to put it. > > > > The end of the world is an on-off thing? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > there is no world for real > > > > > > so there can also no be any end of any world > > > > > > ... > > > > > > the world you are talking about is made of pure fiction > > > > > > some take such fiction for real > > > > > > this cause endless problems > > > > > > and the fictions go on...and on...and on.... > > > > > > until the end of times... > > > > > > .... > > > > > > those who take it for realy real... > > > > > > are poor souls and spirits.... > > > > > > their mind is restless.... > > > > > > no peace.... > > > > > > .... > > > > > > Do you take them for real? > > > > If not, why comment about them? > > > > > > If they are worthy of commenting about, how unreal are they to you? > > > > > > > > > some are even proud of their ignorance... > > > > > > in fact....pride and ignorance go together.... > > > > > > as well as many other feelings, emotions, fears, etc > > > > > > .... > > > > > > impossible to switch off any imaginary world....of imaginary little > > > egos.... > > > > > > they don't know who they are... > > > > > > and don't know what they do.... > > > > > > .... > > > > > > the world is the perfect playground for them... > > > > > > they need the world like the baby need the mother... > > > > > > .... > > > > > > Nothing is realy " fine " in this their little imaginary ego & world > > > > > > .... > > > > > > and never will be... > > > > > > ... > > > > > > because of a reason... > > > > > > they will never understand..... > > > > > > .... > > > > > > therefore they leave all to an imaginary " God " ... > > > > > > or to a mysterious " consciousness " ... > > > > > > ... > > > > > > fools > > > > > > fools... > > > > > > ... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > Do you honestly believe yourself to exist in a superior place, looking > > down on the fools with their egos? > > > > You don't see the ego involved in this stance? > > > > - D - > > > > > > Are you asking an ego to take a look good at itself? > > > > > toombari No, not at all. I'm asking that which doesn't have a boundary to look at a stance being assumed. - D - If it already does not have a boundary why tell anything? No....wait. Are telling consciousness to look at the assumed illusion? Makes more sense. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Friday, August 14, 2009 4:46 PM Re: Common Sense (Toomie) Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > Nothing has ever been said about what this is. > -d- > > But the drive to try to....certainly conveys something! > -geo- Yes. And I'm not trying to succeed. I'm doing my best, knowing that I fail. I enjoy failing miserably. That way, because I fail, I can hear this " what is " in every sound that comes my way. I feel the same way about suffering. I do my best to help with human suffering, knowing that I fail. I enjoy failing miserably. That way, because I fail, I can see what is through every apparent suffering being I meet. -- Dan -- Actualy is not you or I. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Friday, August 14, 2009 3:57 PM Re: Common Sense (Toomie) Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > The gurus that you like are the one's who agree with your > > > misconceptions. > > > > > > Gurus are great for those in their infancy. > > > > > > But if you want this......after a point......you must strike out on > > > > your own. > > > > Watch out for Wayne, then ;-). > > > > Gurus who position as non-gurus are still gurus. > > > >Wayne's website shows images of Ramana, Nisargadatta, Ramesh Balseksar, > >and Wayne Liquorman as if there were some kind of lineage going on. I'm > >surprised that Balsekar would annoint Wayne as a Teacher. I guess there > >is always a need by some for more gurus. If there is a lineage, there is a consistent teaching passed down. -d- There is no consistent teaching passed down when it comes to wayne. Nis consistently talks of that which is beyond consciousness, and wayne negates it. There is no lineage at all. Something is wrong there....or the chain has been broken - at least. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Friday, August 14, 2009 7:13 AM > > > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but then.....now....here... > > > > > > > > > > > > there is the " end of the world " ....again... > > > > > > > > > > > > So, everything remain fine.....as ever before... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > Right. Would you say is an on-off thing? > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the world an on-off thing?.... > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > wait....which world?... > > > > > > > > > > is there a world?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > Not sure how to put it. > > > > > The end of the world is an on-off thing? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no world for real > > > > > > > > so there can also no be any end of any world > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > the world you are talking about is made of pure fiction > > > > > > > > some take such fiction for real > > > > > > > > this cause endless problems > > > > > > > > and the fictions go on...and on...and on.... > > > > > > > > until the end of times... > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > those who take it for realy real... > > > > > > > > are poor souls and spirits.... > > > > > > > > their mind is restless.... > > > > > > > > no peace.... > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > Do you take them for real? > > > > > > If not, why comment about them? > > > > > > > > > If they are worthy of commenting about, how unreal are they to you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > some are even proud of their ignorance... > > > > > > > > in fact....pride and ignorance go together.... > > > > > > > > as well as many other feelings, emotions, fears, etc > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > impossible to switch off any imaginary world....of imaginary little egos.... > > > > > > > > they don't know who they are... > > > > > > > > and don't know what they do.... > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > the world is the perfect playground for them... > > > > > > > > they need the world like the baby need the mother... > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > Nothing is realy " fine " in this their little imaginary ego & world > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > and never will be... > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > because of a reason... > > > > > > > > they will never understand..... > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > therefore they leave all to an imaginary " God " ... > > > > > > > > or to a mysterious " consciousness " ... > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > fools > > > > > > > > fools... > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > Do you honestly believe yourself to exist in a superior place, looking down on the fools with their egos? > > > > > > You don't see the ego involved in this stance? > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > Are you asking an ego to take a look good at itself? > > > > > > > > > > toombari > > No, not at all. > > I'm asking that which doesn't have a boundary to look at a stance being assumed. > > > - D - > That which doesn't have a boundary doesn't have a boundry to ask about. That which doesn't have a boundary cannot relate to that which is believed to have a boundary. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Friday, August 14, 2009 4:41 PM > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Friday, August 14, 2009 7:13 AM > > > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but then.....now....here... > > > > > > > > > > > > there is the " end of the world " ....again... > > > > > > > > > > > > So, everything remain fine.....as ever before... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > Right. Would you say is an on-off thing? > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the world an on-off thing?.... > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > wait....which world?... > > > > > > > > > > is there a world?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > Not sure how to put it. > > > > > The end of the world is an on-off thing? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no world for real > > > > > > > > so there can also no be any end of any world > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > the world you are talking about is made of pure fiction > > > > > > > > some take such fiction for real > > > > > > > > this cause endless problems > > > > > > > > and the fictions go on...and on...and on.... > > > > > > > > until the end of times... > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > those who take it for realy real... > > > > > > > > are poor souls and spirits.... > > > > > > > > their mind is restless.... > > > > > > > > no peace.... > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > Do you take them for real? > > > > > > If not, why comment about them? > > > > > > > > > If they are worthy of commenting about, how unreal are they to you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > some are even proud of their ignorance... > > > > > > > > in fact....pride and ignorance go together.... > > > > > > > > as well as many other feelings, emotions, fears, etc > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > impossible to switch off any imaginary world....of imaginary little > > > > egos.... > > > > > > > > they don't know who they are... > > > > > > > > and don't know what they do.... > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > the world is the perfect playground for them... > > > > > > > > they need the world like the baby need the mother... > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > Nothing is realy " fine " in this their little imaginary ego & world > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > and never will be... > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > because of a reason... > > > > > > > > they will never understand..... > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > therefore they leave all to an imaginary " God " ... > > > > > > > > or to a mysterious " consciousness " ... > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > fools > > > > > > > > fools... > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > Do you honestly believe yourself to exist in a superior place, looking > > > down on the fools with their egos? > > > > > > You don't see the ego involved in this stance? > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > Are you asking an ego to take a look good at itself? > > > > > > > > > > toombari > > No, not at all. > > I'm asking that which doesn't have a boundary to look at a stance being > assumed. > > - D - > > If it already does not have a boundary why tell anything? > No....wait. > Are telling consciousness to look at the assumed illusion? > Makes more sense. > -geo- > It is incendiary when conceptual thought gets a look up its own skirts. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Friday, August 14, 2009 3:57 PM > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " > <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The gurus that you like are the one's who agree with your > > > > misconceptions. > > > > > > > > Gurus are great for those in their infancy. > > > > > > > > But if you want this......after a point......you must strike out on > > > > > your own. > > > > > > Watch out for Wayne, then ;-). > > > > > > Gurus who position as non-gurus are still gurus. > > > > > >Wayne's website shows images of Ramana, Nisargadatta, Ramesh Balseksar, > > >and Wayne Liquorman as if there were some kind of lineage going on. I'm > > >surprised that Balsekar would annoint Wayne as a Teacher. I guess there > > >is always a need by some for more gurus. > > If there is a lineage, there is a consistent teaching passed down. > -d- > > There is no consistent teaching passed down when it comes to wayne. Nis > consistently talks of that which is beyond consciousness, and wayne negates > it. There is no lineage at all. Something is wrong there....or the chain has > been broken - at least. > -geo- > Correct. Wayne doesn't resonate with Nisargadatta at all. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Friday, August 14, 2009 4:41 PM > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Friday, August 14, 2009 7:13 AM > > > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but then.....now....here... > > > > > > > > > > > > there is the " end of the world " ....again... > > > > > > > > > > > > So, everything remain fine.....as ever before... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > Right. Would you say is an on-off thing? > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the world an on-off thing?.... > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > wait....which world?... > > > > > > > > > > is there a world?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > Not sure how to put it. > > > > > The end of the world is an on-off thing? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no world for real > > > > > > > > so there can also no be any end of any world > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > the world you are talking about is made of pure fiction > > > > > > > > some take such fiction for real > > > > > > > > this cause endless problems > > > > > > > > and the fictions go on...and on...and on.... > > > > > > > > until the end of times... > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > those who take it for realy real... > > > > > > > > are poor souls and spirits.... > > > > > > > > their mind is restless.... > > > > > > > > no peace.... > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > Do you take them for real? > > > > > > If not, why comment about them? > > > > > > > > > If they are worthy of commenting about, how unreal are they to you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > some are even proud of their ignorance... > > > > > > > > in fact....pride and ignorance go together.... > > > > > > > > as well as many other feelings, emotions, fears, etc > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > impossible to switch off any imaginary world....of imaginary little > > > > egos.... > > > > > > > > they don't know who they are... > > > > > > > > and don't know what they do.... > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > the world is the perfect playground for them... > > > > > > > > they need the world like the baby need the mother... > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > Nothing is realy " fine " in this their little imaginary ego & world > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > and never will be... > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > because of a reason... > > > > > > > > they will never understand..... > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > therefore they leave all to an imaginary " God " ... > > > > > > > > or to a mysterious " consciousness " ... > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > fools > > > > > > > > fools... > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > Do you honestly believe yourself to exist in a superior place, looking > > > down on the fools with their egos? > > > > > > You don't see the ego involved in this stance? > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > Are you asking an ego to take a look good at itself? > > > > > > > > > > toombari > > No, not at all. > > I'm asking that which doesn't have a boundary to look at a stance being > assumed. > > - D - > > If it already does not have a boundary why tell anything? > No....wait. > Are telling consciousness to look at the assumed illusion? > Makes more sense. > -geo- It's more like this: an invitation to be. an invitation to see. an invitation to be the seeing you are, which is seeing the being you are, which involves no you to be seen. which needs no invitation from me. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Friday, August 14, 2009 4:46 PM > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > Nothing has ever been said about what this is. > > -d- > > > > But the drive to try to....certainly conveys something! > > -geo- > > Yes. > > And I'm not trying to succeed. > > I'm doing my best, knowing that I fail. > > I enjoy failing miserably. > > That way, because I fail, I can hear this " what is " in every sound that > comes my way. > > I feel the same way about suffering. > > I do my best to help with human suffering, knowing that I fail. > > I enjoy failing miserably. > > That way, because I fail, I can see what is through every apparent suffering > being I meet. > > -- Dan -- > > Actualy is not you or I. > -geo- Actually, is or is not don't apply. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Friday, August 14, 2009 3:57 PM > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " > <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The gurus that you like are the one's who agree with your > > > > misconceptions. > > > > > > > > Gurus are great for those in their infancy. > > > > > > > > But if you want this......after a point......you must strike out on > > > > > your own. > > > > > > Watch out for Wayne, then ;-). > > > > > > Gurus who position as non-gurus are still gurus. > > > > > >Wayne's website shows images of Ramana, Nisargadatta, Ramesh Balseksar, > > >and Wayne Liquorman as if there were some kind of lineage going on. I'm > > >surprised that Balsekar would annoint Wayne as a Teacher. I guess there > > >is always a need by some for more gurus. > > If there is a lineage, there is a consistent teaching passed down. > -d- > > There is no consistent teaching passed down when it comes to wayne. Nis > consistently talks of that which is beyond consciousness, and wayne negates > it. There is no lineage at all. Something is wrong there....or the chain has > been broken - at least. > -geo- He thinks there is a lineage. And he thinks the lineage has to do with " no I is here. " - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Friday, August 14, 2009 7:13 AM > > > > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but then.....now....here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is the " end of the world " ....again... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, everything remain fine.....as ever before... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right. Would you say is an on-off thing? > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the world an on-off thing?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > wait....which world?... > > > > > > > > > > > > is there a world?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > Not sure how to put it. > > > > > > The end of the world is an on-off thing? > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no world for real > > > > > > > > > > so there can also no be any end of any world > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > the world you are talking about is made of pure fiction > > > > > > > > > > some take such fiction for real > > > > > > > > > > this cause endless problems > > > > > > > > > > and the fictions go on...and on...and on.... > > > > > > > > > > until the end of times... > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > those who take it for realy real... > > > > > > > > > > are poor souls and spirits.... > > > > > > > > > > their mind is restless.... > > > > > > > > > > no peace.... > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you take them for real? > > > > > > > > If not, why comment about them? > > > > > > > > > > > > If they are worthy of commenting about, how unreal are they to you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some are even proud of their ignorance... > > > > > > > > > > in fact....pride and ignorance go together.... > > > > > > > > > > as well as many other feelings, emotions, fears, etc > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > impossible to switch off any imaginary world....of imaginary little egos.... > > > > > > > > > > they don't know who they are... > > > > > > > > > > and don't know what they do.... > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > the world is the perfect playground for them... > > > > > > > > > > they need the world like the baby need the mother... > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > Nothing is realy " fine " in this their little imaginary ego & world > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > and never will be... > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > because of a reason... > > > > > > > > > > they will never understand..... > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > therefore they leave all to an imaginary " God " ... > > > > > > > > > > or to a mysterious " consciousness " ... > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > fools > > > > > > > > > > fools... > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you honestly believe yourself to exist in a superior place, looking down on the fools with their egos? > > > > > > > > You don't see the ego involved in this stance? > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you asking an ego to take a look good at itself? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombari > > > > No, not at all. > > > > I'm asking that which doesn't have a boundary to look at a stance being assumed. > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > That which doesn't have a boundary doesn't have a boundry to ask about. > > > That which doesn't have a boundary cannot relate to that which is believed to have a boundary. > > > > > > toombaru Beliefs don't exist, to be believed in. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Friday, August 14, 2009 4:41 PM > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Friday, August 14, 2009 7:13 AM > > > > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but then.....now....here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is the " end of the world " ....again... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, everything remain fine.....as ever before... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right. Would you say is an on-off thing? > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the world an on-off thing?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > wait....which world?... > > > > > > > > > > > > is there a world?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > Not sure how to put it. > > > > > > The end of the world is an on-off thing? > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no world for real > > > > > > > > > > so there can also no be any end of any world > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > the world you are talking about is made of pure fiction > > > > > > > > > > some take such fiction for real > > > > > > > > > > this cause endless problems > > > > > > > > > > and the fictions go on...and on...and on.... > > > > > > > > > > until the end of times... > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > those who take it for realy real... > > > > > > > > > > are poor souls and spirits.... > > > > > > > > > > their mind is restless.... > > > > > > > > > > no peace.... > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you take them for real? > > > > > > > > If not, why comment about them? > > > > > > > > > > > > If they are worthy of commenting about, how unreal are they to you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some are even proud of their ignorance... > > > > > > > > > > in fact....pride and ignorance go together.... > > > > > > > > > > as well as many other feelings, emotions, fears, etc > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > impossible to switch off any imaginary world....of imaginary little > > > > > egos.... > > > > > > > > > > they don't know who they are... > > > > > > > > > > and don't know what they do.... > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > the world is the perfect playground for them... > > > > > > > > > > they need the world like the baby need the mother... > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > Nothing is realy " fine " in this their little imaginary ego & world > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > and never will be... > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > because of a reason... > > > > > > > > > > they will never understand..... > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > therefore they leave all to an imaginary " God " ... > > > > > > > > > > or to a mysterious " consciousness " ... > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > fools > > > > > > > > > > fools... > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you honestly believe yourself to exist in a superior place, looking > > > > down on the fools with their egos? > > > > > > > > You don't see the ego involved in this stance? > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you asking an ego to take a look good at itself? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombari > > > > No, not at all. > > > > I'm asking that which doesn't have a boundary to look at a stance being > > assumed. > > > > - D - > > > > If it already does not have a boundary why tell anything? > > No....wait. > > Are telling consciousness to look at the assumed illusion? > > Makes more sense. > > -geo- > > > > > It is incendiary when conceptual thought gets a look up its own skirts. > > toombaru It doesn't. It's not capable of looking, seeing, or knowing. Period. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Friday, August 14, 2009 3:57 PM > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " > > <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The gurus that you like are the one's who agree with your > > > > > misconceptions. > > > > > > > > > > Gurus are great for those in their infancy. > > > > > > > > > > But if you want this......after a point......you must strike out on > > > > > > your own. > > > > > > > > Watch out for Wayne, then ;-). > > > > > > > > Gurus who position as non-gurus are still gurus. > > > > > > > >Wayne's website shows images of Ramana, Nisargadatta, Ramesh Balseksar, > > > >and Wayne Liquorman as if there were some kind of lineage going on. I'm > > > >surprised that Balsekar would annoint Wayne as a Teacher. I guess there > > > >is always a need by some for more gurus. > > > > If there is a lineage, there is a consistent teaching passed down. > > -d- > > > > There is no consistent teaching passed down when it comes to wayne. Nis > > consistently talks of that which is beyond consciousness, and wayne negates > > it. There is no lineage at all. Something is wrong there....or the chain has > > been broken - at least. > > -geo- > > > > > Correct. > > Wayne doesn't resonate with Nisargadatta at all. > > > > > toombaru I agree that they speak really differently. But who knows who does or doesn't resonate with Nisargadatta? Nisargadatta is dead, and he would be the only one who could say that. Although it's nice of you to speak on Nisargadatta's behalf, kind of like his soul brother, knowing who resonates with that dead man and who doesn't. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Friday, August 14, 2009 6:20 PM Re: Common Sense (Toomie) Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Friday, August 14, 2009 3:57 PM > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " > <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The gurus that you like are the one's who agree with your > > > > misconceptions. > > > > > > > > Gurus are great for those in their infancy. > > > > > > > > But if you want this......after a point......you must strike out on > > > > > > > > > your own. > > > > > > Watch out for Wayne, then ;-). > > > > > > Gurus who position as non-gurus are still gurus. > > > > > >Wayne's website shows images of Ramana, Nisargadatta, Ramesh Balseksar, > > >and Wayne Liquorman as if there were some kind of lineage going on. I'm > > >surprised that Balsekar would annoint Wayne as a Teacher. I guess there > > >is always a need by some for more gurus. > > If there is a lineage, there is a consistent teaching passed down. > -d- > > There is no consistent teaching passed down when it comes to wayne. Nis > consistently talks of that which is beyond consciousness, and wayne > negates > it. There is no lineage at all. Something is wrong there....or the chain > has > been broken - at least. > -geo- He thinks there is a lineage. And he thinks the lineage has to do with " no I is here. " - D - Who? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Friday, August 14, 2009 6:20 PM > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Friday, August 14, 2009 3:57 PM > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " > > <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The gurus that you like are the one's who agree with your > > > > > misconceptions. > > > > > > > > > > Gurus are great for those in their infancy. > > > > > > > > > > But if you want this......after a point......you must strike out on > > > > > > > > > > > your own. > > > > > > > > Watch out for Wayne, then ;-). > > > > > > > > Gurus who position as non-gurus are still gurus. > > > > > > > >Wayne's website shows images of Ramana, Nisargadatta, Ramesh Balseksar, > > > >and Wayne Liquorman as if there were some kind of lineage going on. I'm > > > >surprised that Balsekar would annoint Wayne as a Teacher. I guess there > > > >is always a need by some for more gurus. > > > > If there is a lineage, there is a consistent teaching passed down. > > -d- > > > > There is no consistent teaching passed down when it comes to wayne. Nis > > consistently talks of that which is beyond consciousness, and wayne > > negates > > it. There is no lineage at all. Something is wrong there....or the chain > > has > > been broken - at least. > > -geo- > > He thinks there is a lineage. > > And he thinks the lineage has to do with " no I is here. " > > - D - > > Who? Ram Tzu, Wayne Liquorman. The guy who thinks that Ramesh bequeathed to him a role in a lineage of teachers. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
