Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Thursday, August 13, 2009 9:51 PM Re: Common Sense (Toomie) Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > Toomba, I did not tell you the truth. I know wu wei, aka waine liquoreman. > (never read wu wei in fact) > I attended a few meetings in his house through the net for curiosity. (I > have the link to to it if you want - bellow) > We exchanged perhaps a dozen posts - I can send them to you if I still got > them somewhere. > Yes...he will agree with you. He apparently doesnt talk about or is not > " aware " of anything beyond consciousness. That is where I stoped listening > to him....because it goes against something that is clear to me...so.... > But I must warn you: he is a guru type. > > http://www.advaita.org/ > > -geo- > I know Wayne well. :-) toombaru In person? -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 13/8/2009 21:55:01 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Thursday, August 13, 2009 9:57 PM Re: Common Sense (Toomie) Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, August 13, 2009 9:40 PM > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 7:48 PM > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > toombaru2006 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 6:24 PM > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It is all seen as a program. > > > > > And it is known that that seeing is also part of the program. > > > > > And it is known that there is nothing beyond the program. > > > > > > > > Well, all that is the program. > > > > > > > > There is definitely Nothing, beyond the program. > > > > > > > > silent Nothing, which is also being inclusive of everything (i.e. > > > > one > > > > is > > > > one's perceptions, not a separate watcher apart from them). > > > > > > > > > > The mind turns nothing into something. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > You are confusing no-thing with nothing. There is a big difference. > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No it isn't. > > Mind thinks that the absence of things is nothing. > > > > Pretty funny when you think about it. > > > > toombaru > > > > That is what I said. They are not the same. > > -geo- > > > > > > > > When mind makes an object out of " nothing " ....it becomes something. > > The mind cannot picture " nothing " . > > toombaru > > Yes I understand. True. But that which is beyond consciousness, the > no-thing-ness is not food for the mind. Never was or will be - impossible. > but that does not mean that no-thing is not is-ing. > -geo- > > > > > What indication do you have that there is some'thing' outside of consciousness? toombaru I will keep this question close to my heart..and be back to you on it maybe tomorrow, OK? I am not gone cooco....can you accept that? -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 13/8/2009 22:01:27 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, August 13, 2009 9:46 PM > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 7:52 PM > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dan330033 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 7:05 PM > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It is all seen as a program. > > > > > And it is known that that seeing is also part of the program. > > > > > And it is known that there is nothing beyond the program. > > > > > > > > Well, all that is the program. > > > > > > > > There is definitely Nothing, beyond the program. > > > > > > > > silent Nothing, which is also being inclusive of everything (i.e. one > > > > is > > > > one's perceptions, not a separate watcher apart from them). > > > > > > There isn't any program to be beyond. > > > > > > Sheesh. > > > > > > You think you're beyond a program? > > > > > > And you think if you see a program, you're beyond the program? > > > > > > Double sheesh. > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > And the litlle program that sees the big program..how is it know or seen > > > as > > > a litlle program?? > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By its leetle foot prints. > > > > Don't take any of this stuff too seriously. > > > > It's all shooting arrows in the dark. > > > > toombaru > > > > OK then... > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > We get a glimpse now and then and try to put it into words. > > And I don't know why anyone would do that. > > Sometimes the lunacy of the attempt is seen and the conversation gets silly. > > Its all just consciousness surfing its own wake. > > toombaru > > You contradict yourself. So did Ramana. >The words are from consciousness. You assume the consciousness is a thing. I do not. The glimpse, the > fact, no. Nothing mystic about it. Now...you can not get cought by the > desiese called religious-guru-hangover. It means that at one time or other > you overdid it...too much wrong efforts in the wrong direction and now you > react to it. The result is that you not only cant stand gurus by also > believe that any and averything they may say is BS - a trauma. I never > followed one single guru in my life and I can say that some of them have > something to say others not - just like any human being. No traumas please.. > -geo- > > The gurus that you like are the one's who agree with your misconceptions. Gurus are great for those in their infancy. But if you want this......after a point......you must strike out on your own. toombaru toombaru avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. > Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 > Tested on: 13/8/2009 21:51:05 > avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, August 13, 2009 9:51 PM > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > Toomba, I did not tell you the truth. I know wu wei, aka waine liquoreman. > > (never read wu wei in fact) > > I attended a few meetings in his house through the net for curiosity. (I > > have the link to to it if you want - bellow) > > We exchanged perhaps a dozen posts - I can send them to you if I still got > > them somewhere. > > Yes...he will agree with you. He apparently doesnt talk about or is not > > " aware " of anything beyond consciousness. That is where I stoped listening > > to him....because it goes against something that is clear to me...so.... > > But I must warn you: he is a guru type. > > > > http://www.advaita.org/ > > > > -geo- > > > > I know Wayne well. > > :-) > > toombaru > > In person? > -geo- > > > > > > > Yes. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, August 13, 2009 9:57 PM > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 9:40 PM > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > toombaru2006 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 7:48 PM > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > toombaru2006 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 6:24 PM > > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > It is all seen as a program. > > > > > > And it is known that that seeing is also part of the program. > > > > > > And it is known that there is nothing beyond the program. > > > > > > > > > > Well, all that is the program. > > > > > > > > > > There is definitely Nothing, beyond the program. > > > > > > > > > > silent Nothing, which is also being inclusive of everything (i.e. > > > > > one > > > > > is > > > > > one's perceptions, not a separate watcher apart from them). > > > > > > > > > > > > > The mind turns nothing into something. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > You are confusing no-thing with nothing. There is a big difference. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No it isn't. > > > Mind thinks that the absence of things is nothing. > > > > > > Pretty funny when you think about it. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > That is what I said. They are not the same. > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > When mind makes an object out of " nothing " ....it becomes something. > > > > The mind cannot picture " nothing " . > > > > toombaru > > > > Yes I understand. True. But that which is beyond consciousness, the > > no-thing-ness is not food for the mind. Never was or will be - impossible. > > but that does not mean that no-thing is not is-ing. > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > What indication do you have that there is some'thing' outside of > consciousness? > > toombaru > > I will keep this question close to my heart..and be back to you on it maybe > tomorrow, OK? > I am not gone cooco....can you accept that? > -geo- > > > > I've become acceptance itself. LOL toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 9:51 PM > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > Toomba, I did not tell you the truth. I know wu wei, aka waine liquoreman. > > > (never read wu wei in fact) > > > I attended a few meetings in his house through the net for curiosity. (I > > > have the link to to it if you want - bellow) > > > We exchanged perhaps a dozen posts - I can send them to you if I still got > > > them somewhere. > > > Yes...he will agree with you. He apparently doesnt talk about or is not > > > " aware " of anything beyond consciousness. That is where I stoped listening > > > to him....because it goes against something that is clear to me...so.... > > > But I must warn you: he is a guru type. > > > > > > http://www.advaita.org/ > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > I know Wayne well. > > > > :-) > > > > toombaru > > > > In person? > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > toombaru Woo know wayne wicker-min? :-p... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > The gurus that you like are the one's who agree with your > misconceptions. > > Gurus are great for those in their infancy. > > But if you want this......after a point......you must strike out on > your own. Watch out for Wayne, then ;-). Gurus who position as non-gurus are still gurus. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > What indication do you have that there is some'thing' outside of > consciousness? > > > > toombaru Cuz after the word 'consciousness', the word 'toombaru' appeared. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, August 13, 2009 8:05 PM > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > Question: If one's programming cannot be observed, how does one know that > > one is programmed, or that one *is* the programming itself? > > > > > Michael A > > > Adamson@ > > > > geo> Ones programming CAN be observed. It is all that can be done - and it > > is being done. But this seeing is not from within consciousness, from > > withing the program. > > Geo - > > I know what you're trying to suggest, I've tried suggesting such things many > times. > > Yet I know how limited the viability of these suggestions are. > -d- > > Does not matter. Its fun to try to put it in words - and some will listen. > -geo- > > All the commentary about a program is coming from what you're calling the > program - which isn't really a program at all. > -d- > > Did not understand a word of that. I am calling consciousness the program. > It can be seen as such in all its limitedness and luminosity. The words aome > from memory but the seeing of the program no. > -geo- > > It's equally true for my words too, if I speak of awareness and related > topics. > > I can't tell you whether to consider language true or false, real or > imaginary - because using those labels is just language trying to comment > about itself on its own terms - which is invalid. > > Same thing when thought tries to know thought by using thought, or self > tries to know self, or Self tries to know Self, or person tries to know > person or people. > > - D - > > And what are you doing here then? > So lets put it in word anyway..Folly for folly lets folly.. > -geo- It's the ultimate folly. It's the swan song of an unnamed flight ... into the unknown. Song sent into the wind, to spin and spin ... -- D -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, August 13, 2009 8:08 PM > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 7:05 PM > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > It is all seen as a program. > > > > And it is known that that seeing is also part of the program. > > > > And it is known that there is nothing beyond the program. > > > > > > Well, all that is the program. > > > > > > There is definitely Nothing, beyond the program. > > > > > > silent Nothing, which is also being inclusive of everything (i.e. one is > > > one's perceptions, not a separate watcher apart from them). > > > > There isn't any program to be beyond. > > > > Sheesh. > > > > You think you're beyond a program? > > > > And you think if you see a program, you're beyond the program? > > > > Double sheesh. > > > > - D - > > > > And the litlle program that sees the big program..how is it know or seen > > as > > a litlle program?? > > -geo- > > Yes. > > And the entire notion of using programmed language to comment about the > programmed consciousness is equally absurd. > > - D - > > That is an art. I have been helped with such words....why cant I do the > same? Not that I want to help enyone. > -geo- What really helps, is that you can't help. It's the literal inability to do or say anything at all ... that kills and resurrects the universe ... - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > And what are you doing here then? > > So lets put it in word anyway..Folly for folly lets folly.. > > -geo- > > It's the ultimate folly. > > It's the swan song of an unnamed flight ... into the unknown. > > Song sent into the wind, to spin and spin ... > > > -- D -- I was going to say, at least it's an honest song, has that going for it... But then, every song is an honest song, to whatever extent honesty is possible. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dennis_travis33 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 10:57 AM > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 10:19 AM > > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 9:18 AM > > > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 8:57 AM > > > > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Common sense......is common sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Common sense " is overrunning the planet, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > committing genocides, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > constant warfare, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > economic breakdown, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > atomic bombs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > global warming, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do ya think maybe these are " people just like you and I " > > > > > > > > > involved > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > all this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Common sense " at work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest to abandon 'common sense' as soon as possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > running away from bombs?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i thought that this your common spiritual peace, happiness and > > > > > > > > love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > couldn't be destroyed....even not by atomic bombs.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What 'peace, happiness and love' is that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And who ever suggested running away from bombs? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no common sense with happiness, peace and love?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > No, because common sense is the sense society has accepted as > > > > > > good..and > > > > > > society is insane, mad. > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the only madness existing....can only be yours.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > Everything is IT. Humans eat fruits and meat but not wood. Some humans > > > > > eat > > > > > excrements. I feel sick with that. I feel " somehting " whem children are > > > > > miss-treated. I feel " something " with atom bombs. Some love it. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > do you realy expect " something " different when the eyes of the identity > > > > called " geo " look at the world....?..... > > > > > > > > wake up > > > > > > > > the world is only about worldly things > > > > > > > > and ever will be... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > It is not geo as some identity looking at the world - wake up! > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > si si geo.... > > > > > > the eyes of geo are seeing this your mentionned " bombs " .... > > > some other eyes are seeing something else... > > > > > > geo> Geo or marc can not look or see. Even consciousness can not see. > > > > > > geo can only see what he Is... > > > marc can only see what he Is... > > > > > > geo> Look carefully. Not geo and marc seeing. When there is seing what one > > > is - if that is really the case - then one is consciousness, one is > > > everything that falls upon the senses...whic is indeed the world. So now we > > > are ble to say " I am the world " - but not geo or marc. > > > > > > > > > > > > wake up... > > > want to fight the bombs with some appearent others?.... > > > ...if so....you are already dead.... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > Did I say I want to fight bombs? Where? > > > -geo- > > > > > > > good... > > > > then everything is fine... > > > > > > Marc > > Everything is not fine. > > Everything is very far from fine. > > Indeed, there is rampant ugliness of apparently separated me's and their mutual self-admiration, self-lust, self-fear, acquisitiveness, blindness, panic, need for each other, fear of each other, aggression, obliviousness, cannibalism, destructiveness, self-destructiveness. > > This dream manifests choicelessly. > > If unfolds choicelessly. > > Its beginning is in its end. > > One aware is undisturbed by even the worse nightmare of manifesting images. > > I am this suffering. > > I am this fear. > > And thus, I am beyond this dream, in the midst of it. > > Not " I " as a particular I of a particular being. > > One is awake, choicelessly. > > Awareness manifests the dream, is the dream, and is as is, as the dream ends. > > Aware, this is the end of the dream, now. > > It is always the end of the world. > > - D - > yes.... .... but then.....now....here... there is the " end of the world " ....again... So, everything remain fine.....as ever before... Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dennis_travis33 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 11:11 AM > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 10:57 AM > > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 10:19 AM > > > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 9:18 AM > > > > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 8:57 AM > > > > > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Common sense......is common sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Common sense " is overrunning the planet, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > committing genocides, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > constant warfare, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > economic breakdown, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > atomic bombs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > global warming, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do ya think maybe these are " people just like you and I " > > > > > > > > > > involved > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > all this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Common sense " at work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest to abandon 'common sense' as soon as possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > running away from bombs?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i thought that this your common spiritual peace, happiness and > > > > > > > > > love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > couldn't be destroyed....even not by atomic bombs.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What 'peace, happiness and love' is that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And who ever suggested running away from bombs? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no common sense with happiness, peace and love?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, because common sense is the sense society has accepted as > > > > > > > good..and > > > > > > > society is insane, mad. > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the only madness existing....can only be yours.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > Everything is IT. Humans eat fruits and meat but not wood. Some humans > > > > > > eat > > > > > > excrements. I feel sick with that. I feel " somehting " whem children > > > > > > are > > > > > > miss-treated. I feel " something " with atom bombs. Some love it. > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do you realy expect " something " different when the eyes of the identity > > > > > called " geo " look at the world....?..... > > > > > > > > > > wake up > > > > > > > > > > the world is only about worldly things > > > > > > > > > > and ever will be... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > It is not geo as some identity looking at the world - wake up! > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > si si geo.... > > > > > > > > the eyes of geo are seeing this your mentionned " bombs " .... > > > > some other eyes are seeing something else... > > > > > > > > geo> Geo or marc can not look or see. Even consciousness can not see. > > > > > > > > geo can only see what he Is... > > > > marc can only see what he Is... > > > > > > > > geo> Look carefully. Not geo and marc seeing. When there is seing what one > > > > is - if that is really the case - then one is consciousness, one is > > > > everything that falls upon the senses...whic is indeed the world. So now > > > > we > > > > are ble to say " I am the world " - but not geo or marc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wake up... > > > > want to fight the bombs with some appearent others?.... > > > > ...if so....you are already dead.... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > Did I say I want to fight bombs? Where? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > good... > > > > > > then everything is fine... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > It there is interest lets dig a bit more. > > > Are you able to say " I am the world " ? What is marc then? > > > -geo- > > > > > > > i have no problems with what i see....it's just fine... > > > > how about you?....having problems?.... > > > > > > Marc > > A me saying it is fine, asking another me across a distance if it is having problems - > > this is not fine. > > this is the dream of separation. > > - D - > the " me " (geo) didn't want/accept the reality of being this his/her world...... would say....that's indeed a problem for this " geo " fiction.... ..... to presume that there is no problem...when there is one....isn't fine, true Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Thursday, August 13, 2009 11:07 PM Re: Common Sense (Toomie) Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > The gurus that you like are the one's who agree with your > misconceptions. > > Gurus are great for those in their infancy. > > But if you want this......after a point......you must strike out on > your > own. Da spiritual sir-kiss May i kiss your feet, sir? ;-). No mo' wayne? geo> Tim, why do you keep comments in you r site (dont remember where) that your guru is such and such? -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 14/8/2009 06:59:32 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Friday, August 14, 2009 3:37 AM Re: Common Sense (Toomie) Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > And what are you doing here then? > > So lets put it in word anyway..Folly for folly lets folly.. > > -geo- > > It's the ultimate folly. > > It's the swan song of an unnamed flight ... into the unknown. > > Song sent into the wind, to spin and spin ... > > > -- D -- At least it's an honest song... it has that going for it. I don't think one could ask for more than that. -tim- Everybody is honest. Never seen one that is not. -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 14/8/2009 06:59:33 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 but then.....now....here... there is the " end of the world " ....again... So, everything remain fine.....as ever before... Marc Right. Would you say is an on-off thing? -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 14/8/2009 06:59:34 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > but then.....now....here... > > there is the " end of the world " ....again... > > So, everything remain fine.....as ever before... > > Marc > > Right. Would you say is an on-off thing? > -geo- > > > the world an on-off thing?.... .... wait....which world?... is there a world?.... Marc > > > > > > avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. > Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 > Tested on: 14/8/2009 06:59:34 > avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 - dennis_travis33 Nisargadatta Friday, August 14, 2009 7:13 AM Re: Common Sense (Toomie) Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > but then.....now....here... > > there is the " end of the world " ....again... > > So, everything remain fine.....as ever before... > > Marc > > Right. Would you say is an on-off thing? > -geo- > > > the world an on-off thing?.... .... wait....which world?... is there a world?.... Marc Not sure how to put it. The end of the world is an on-off thing? -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dennis_travis33 > Nisargadatta > Friday, August 14, 2009 7:13 AM > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > but then.....now....here... > > > > there is the " end of the world " ....again... > > > > So, everything remain fine.....as ever before... > > > > Marc > > > > Right. Would you say is an on-off thing? > > -geo- > > > > > > > the world an on-off thing?.... > > ... > > wait....which world?... > > is there a world?.... > > > > Marc > > Not sure how to put it. > The end of the world is an on-off thing? > -geo- > there is no world for real so there can also no be any end of any world .... the world you are talking about is made of pure fiction some take such fiction for real this cause endless problems and the fictions go on...and on...and on.... until the end of times... ..... those who take it for realy real... are poor souls and spirits.... their mind is restless.... no peace.... ..... some are even proud of their ignorance... in fact....pride and ignorance go together.... as well as many other feelings, emotions, fears, etc ..... impossible to switch off any imaginary world....of imaginary little egos.... they don't know who they are... and don't know what they do.... ..... the world is the perfect playground for them... they need the world like the baby need the mother... ..... Nothing is realy " fine " in this their little imaginary ego & world ..... and never will be... .... because of a reason... they will never understand..... ..... therefore they leave all to an imaginary " God " ... or to a mysterious " consciousness " ... .... fools fools... .... Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > The gurus that you like are the one's who agree with your > > misconceptions. > > > > Gurus are great for those in their infancy. > > > > But if you want this......after a point......you must strike out on > your own. > > Watch out for Wayne, then ;-). > > Gurus who position as non-gurus are still gurus. > >Wayne's website shows images of Ramana, Nisargadatta, Ramesh Balseksar, and Wayne Liquorman as if there were some kind of lineage going on. I'm surprised that Balsekar would annoint Wayne as a Teacher. I guess there is always a need by some for more gurus. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > The gurus that you like are the one's who agree with your > > > misconceptions. > > > > > > Gurus are great for those in their infancy. > > > > > > But if you want this......after a point......you must strike out on > your own. > > > > Watch out for Wayne, then ;-). > > > > Gurus who position as non-gurus are still gurus. > > > >Wayne's website shows images of Ramana, Nisargadatta, Ramesh > Balseksar, and Wayne Liquorman as if there were some kind of > lineage going on. I'm surprised that Balsekar would annoint Wayne > as a Teacher. I guess there is always a need by some for more > gurus. > There's nothing wrong with it, but from here it's a circus on every level. I mean, " there is nothing to teach " or " no teacher, no learner " being spoken by a guru that seemingly takes that position ;-). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > there is no world for real > > so there can also no be any end of any world It's the end of the world as we define it, and I feel knownnnnnn... ;-). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Thursday, August 13, 2009 11:07 PM > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > The gurus that you like are the one's who agree with your > > misconceptions. > > > > Gurus are great for those in their infancy. > > > > But if you want this......after a point......you must strike out on > your > > own. > > Da spiritual sir-kiss > > May i kiss your feet, sir? ;-). > > No mo' wayne? > > geo> Tim, why do you keep comments in you r site (dont remember where) that > your guru is such and such? > -geo- I've got nothing against gurus, Geo. I say that, cuz it seems folks like hearing it. But maybe I'm wrong, and they don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Friday, August 14, 2009 11:43 AM Re: Common Sense (Toomie) Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Thursday, August 13, 2009 11:07 PM > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > The gurus that you like are the one's who agree with your > > misconceptions. > > > > Gurus are great for those in their infancy. > > > > But if you want this......after a point......you must strike out on > > > your > > own. > > Da spiritual sir-kiss > > May i kiss your feet, sir? ;-). > > No mo' wayne? > > geo> Tim, why do you keep comments in you r site (dont remember where) > that > your guru is such and such? > -geo- I've got nothing against gurus, Geo. I say that, cuz it seems folks like hearing it. But maybe I'm wrong, and they don't. -tim- You mean you tell lies to please " folks " ? What for? So that the folks may pehaps like you? -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > And what are you doing here then? > > > So lets put it in word anyway..Folly for folly lets folly.. > > > -geo- > > > > It's the ultimate folly. > > > > It's the swan song of an unnamed flight ... into the unknown. > > > > Song sent into the wind, to spin and spin ... > > > > > > -- D -- > > I was going to say, at least it's an honest song, has that going for it... > > But then, every song is an honest song, to whatever extent honesty is possible. So many words have been said over time about the truth of what this is. And of who one is, and isn't. And from whence one came, and to where one is going. And what the meaning of it is, and isn't. So many words, so many debates, disagreements, agreements, movements, countermovements. Who said it well, who meant what they said, who knew what they talked about ... I will tell you the truth. As honestly as I can. But can I? Is there any time? And if I take the time, and say what I have to say, and you evaluate it - will it sound true or false to you? What is, is. What is not, is no concern. Therefore, there can be no concern about what is. What is, is. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
