Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > It is all seen as a program. > > > And it is known that that seeing is also part of the program. > > > And it is known that there is nothing beyond the program. > > > > Well, all that is the program. > > > > There is definitely Nothing, beyond the program. > > > > silent Nothing, which is also being inclusive of everything (i.e. one is one's perceptions, not a separate watcher apart from them). > The mind turns nothing into something. > > > > > toombaru Not really. But then, there's always the land of make believe, where the fairies and goblins have magic powers. What fun we'll have there! Pluck yer magic twanger froggy! Make me see the program! - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > It is all seen as a program. > > > And it is known that that seeing is also part of the program. > > > And it is known that there is nothing beyond the program. > > > > Well, all that is the program. > > > > There is definitely Nothing, beyond the program. > > > > silent Nothing, which is also being inclusive of everything (i.e. one is one's perceptions, not a separate watcher apart from them). > > There isn't any program to be beyond. > > Sheesh. > > You think you're beyond a program? > > And you think if you see a program, you're beyond the program? > > Double sheesh. > > - D - OK, so we're eating sheeshkabob today. Tastes like words. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > It is all seen as a program. > > > > And it is known that that seeing is also part of the program. > > > > And it is known that there is nothing beyond the program. > > > > > > Well, all that is the program. > > > > > > There is definitely Nothing, beyond the program. > > > > > > silent Nothing, which is also being inclusive of everything (i.e. one is one's perceptions, not a separate watcher apart from them). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The mind turns nothing into something. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > Not really. > > But then, there's always the land of make believe, where the fairies and goblins have magic powers. > > What fun we'll have there! > > Pluck yer magic twanger froggy! > > Make me see the program! You already mentioned it, 'the land of make believe'. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It is all seen as a program. > > > > > And it is known that that seeing is also part of the program. > > > > > And it is known that there is nothing beyond the program. > > > > > > > > Well, all that is the program. > > > > > > > > There is definitely Nothing, beyond the program. > > > > > > > > silent Nothing, which is also being inclusive of everything (i.e. one is one's perceptions, not a separate watcher apart from them). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The mind turns nothing into something. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Not really. > > > > But then, there's always the land of make believe, where the fairies and goblins have magic powers. > > > > What fun we'll have there! > > > > Pluck yer magic twanger froggy! > > > > Make me see the program! > > You already mentioned it, 'the land of make believe'. The tree outside my window is my face. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > It is all seen as a program. > > > > > > And it is known that that seeing is also part of the program. > > > > > > And it is known that there is nothing beyond the program. > > > > > > > > > > Well, all that is the program. > > > > > > > > > > There is definitely Nothing, beyond the program. > > > > > > > > > > silent Nothing, which is also being inclusive of everything (i.e. one is one's perceptions, not a separate watcher apart from them). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The mind turns nothing into something. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > Not really. > > > > > > But then, there's always the land of make believe, where the fairies and goblins have magic powers. > > > > > > What fun we'll have there! > > > > > > Pluck yer magic twanger froggy! > > > > > > Make me see the program! > > > > You already mentioned it, 'the land of make believe'. > > > The tree outside my window is my face. > > > - D - The words in front of you are your face. The tree outside your window is your imagination at work. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is all seen as a program. > > > > > > > And it is known that that seeing is also part of the program. > > > > > > > And it is known that there is nothing beyond the program. > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, all that is the program. > > > > > > > > > > > > There is definitely Nothing, beyond the program. > > > > > > > > > > > > silent Nothing, which is also being inclusive of everything (i.e. one is one's perceptions, not a separate watcher apart from them). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The mind turns nothing into something. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > Not really. > > > > > > > > But then, there's always the land of make believe, where the fairies and goblins have magic powers. > > > > > > > > What fun we'll have there! > > > > > > > > Pluck yer magic twanger froggy! > > > > > > > > Make me see the program! > > > > > > You already mentioned it, 'the land of make believe'. > > > > > > The tree outside my window is my face. > > > > > > - D - > > The words in front of you are your face. > > The tree outside your window is your imagination at work. No, your words don't have the power to trick anyone. Not even yourself. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > The tree outside my window is my face. > > > - D - That tree is literally my face. I am the mirror by which it sees itself. It is looking at this mirror, which reflects itself, seeing itself through these eyes. My face. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Thursday, August 13, 2009 6:24 PM Re: Common Sense (Toomie) Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > It is all seen as a program. > > And it is known that that seeing is also part of the program. > > And it is known that there is nothing beyond the program. > > Well, all that is the program. > > There is definitely Nothing, beyond the program. > > silent Nothing, which is also being inclusive of everything (i.e. one is > one's perceptions, not a separate watcher apart from them). > The mind turns nothing into something. toombaru You are confusing no-thing with nothing. There is a big difference. -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 13/8/2009 19:24:47 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > The tree outside my window is my face. > > > > > > - D - > > > That tree is literally my face. > > I am the mirror by which it sees itself. When does it see itself? In the past? In the future? Is it visible now, or only as a thought? The thought is seeing itself, sure enough. The thought is not a tree. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Question: If one's programming cannot be observed, how does one know that one is programmed, or that one *is* the programming itself? > Michael A> Adamson geo> Ones programming CAN be observed. It is all that can be done - and it is being done. But this seeing is not from within consciousness, from withing the program. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 > > The tree outside my window is my face. > > > - D - > Ok........you have your very own face.....and you have a window......and there is a tree outside (we'll let the inside outside thing go for a while)......the window.......and that tree is YOUR face. I think I'm beginning to see where you are coming from...... :-0 toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > > The tree outside my window is my face. > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > Ok........you have your very own face.....and you have a window......and there is a tree outside (we'll let the inside outside thing go for a while)......the window.......and that tree is YOUR face. > > > I think I'm beginning to see where you are coming from...... > > > :-0 He's picturing a tree outside his window, and confusing the mental picture with the tree outside his window. The mental picture is/was his face, sure enough. There is no continuously-existing tree, though. For whatever reason, he's giving continuity to the discontinuous. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > The tree outside my window is my face. > > > > > > - D - > > > That tree is literally my face. > > I am the mirror by which it sees itself. > > It is looking at this mirror, which reflects itself, seeing itself through these eyes. > > My face. > > - D - > I had a trip like that once........in Amsterdam. She had on wooden shoes and the shoes...............well........I guess you had to be there. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:17 PM > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 4:03 PM > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > > > > > > <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Common sense......is common sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Common sense " is overrunning the planet, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > committing genocides, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > constant warfare, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > economic breakdown, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > atomic bombs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > global warming, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do ya think maybe these are " people just like you and I " > > > > > > > > > > > involved in all this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Common sense " at work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest to abandon 'common sense' as soon as possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > running away from bombs?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i thought that this your common spiritual peace, happiness > > > > > > > > > > and love > couldn't be destroyed....even not by atomic > > > > > > > > > > bombs.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What 'peace, happiness and love' is that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And who ever suggested running away from bombs? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. " peace, happiness and love " are not descriptive of this > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > all, nor is " spirituality " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Words/concepts are like child's trinkets, 'pulling' the > > > > > > > > formless > > > > > > > > into transitory form. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The reality is absolutely unlike anything it's imagined to be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No word, sentence or mental picture comes anywhere near to > > > > > > > > capturing this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's all dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would suggest we all wake up from our mutual wet dream, before > > > > > > > the bombs of indifference fall, right there, where you lie > > > > > > > sleeping. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no plan in place but natural selection. > > > > > > > > > > > > Tribes of men are programmed to wipe each other out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " They are programmed. " > > > > > > > > > > Nonsense. Poppycock. Tommyrot. > > > > > > > > > > And who are you, as you observe these programmed machines - the > > > > > programmer? > > > > > > > > > > Where do you think you are observing these programmed selves from? > > > > > > > > > > Mount Olympus? > > > > > > > > > > You can't comment about what you are. > > > > > > > > > > Nice try, though. > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Survival and reproduction is the program......is the self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > So, being able to observe this and state this, you are somewhere where > > > survival, reproduction, and programming are not an issue, correct? > > > > > > Thus, you can look down and see all the creatures being programmed, > > > reproducing, and surviving. > > > > > > Or are you saying that you are a programmed creature who has learned how > > > to step out of itself, observe its programmed responses, without that > > > observation itself being programmed? > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > There is within the program a small program that allows it a glimpse of > > the > > overall program. > > > > But.....it's all program. > > > > toombaru > > > > Sometimes you make sense...then suddenly you come up with this total > > nonesense. Is it the brand of the stuff you smoke? > > Dont you see that obviously there is something called çlkasdfçlkaçldkç > > beyond the program? The program itself is dead, it can not > > see...feel....BE. > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > Ever come across Wei Wu Wei? > > toombaru > > No. what is that? > -geo- > > > > > > Google it. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Google it. > > > > toombaru I tried googling 'it', but way, way too many results came up ;-). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, August 13, 2009 7:05 PM > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > It is all seen as a program. > > > And it is known that that seeing is also part of the program. > > > And it is known that there is nothing beyond the program. > > > > Well, all that is the program. > > > > There is definitely Nothing, beyond the program. > > > > silent Nothing, which is also being inclusive of everything (i.e. one is > > one's perceptions, not a separate watcher apart from them). > > There isn't any program to be beyond. > > Sheesh. > > You think you're beyond a program? > > And you think if you see a program, you're beyond the program? > > Double sheesh. > > - D - > > And the litlle program that sees the big program..how is it know or seen as > a litlle program?? > -geo- > > > > > By its leetle foot prints. Don't take any of this stuff too seriously. It's all shooting arrows in the dark. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The tree outside my window is my face. > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > Ok........you have your very own face.....and you have a window......and there is a tree outside (we'll let the inside outside thing go for a while)......the window.......and that tree is YOUR face. > > > > > > I think I'm beginning to see where you are coming from...... > > > > > > :-0 > > He's picturing a tree outside his window, and confusing the mental picture with the tree outside his window. > > The mental picture is/was his face, sure enough. > > There is no continuously-existing tree, though. > > For whatever reason, he's giving continuity to the discontinuous. > I think maybe he saw the reflection of his face in the window superimposed over a tree and got a little confused. I mean......he this afternoon called one of MY posts " BULL SHIT " for crisesakes. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Google it. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > I tried googling 'it', but way, way too many results came up ;-). > There is one web site that has a lot of his writings for free. ....but its an adult only kinda thing. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is all seen as a program. > > > > > > > > > And it is known that that seeing is also part of the program. > > > > > > > > > And it is known that there is nothing beyond the program. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, all that is the program. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is definitely Nothing, beyond the program. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > silent Nothing, which is also being inclusive of everything (i.e. one is one's perceptions, not a separate watcher apart from them). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The mind turns nothing into something. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not really. > > > > > > > > > > > > But then, there's always the land of make believe, where the fairies and goblins have magic powers. > > > > > > > > > > > > What fun we'll have there! > > > > > > > > > > > > Pluck yer magic twanger froggy! > > > > > > > > > > > > Make me see the program! > > > > > > > > > > You already mentioned it, 'the land of make believe'. > > > > > > > > > > > > The tree outside my window is my face. > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > The words in front of you are your face. > > > > > > The tree outside your window is your imagination at work. > > > > > > No, your words don't have the power to trick anyone. > > > > Not even yourself. > > > > - D - > > The tree outside your window is a thought, isn't it? Not really. That's just a convenient way to consolidate concepts, by making one concept be the source of all the other concepts. In truth, there isn't any such source. Concepts arise inter-co-dependently and inter-co-determining. > OK, the thought is also your face. > > But I don't see why you mentioned " the tree outside my window " , as though referring to something 'tangible', rather than imaginary. The idea that you can differentiate the imaginary from the real, is imaginary. > You might as well say " dflakjsdfoiewur023984432 " is my face. Not really. There is a context for word usage. That context involves previous word usage. > Next time say that, so it's clearer what you're getting at ;-). I'm being extremely clear. That is why no one knows what I'm talking about. If I was less clear, I'd be getting much more agreement. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > The tree outside my window is my face. > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > That tree is literally my face. > > > > I am the mirror by which it sees itself. > > When does it see itself? > > In the past? In the future? > > Is it visible now, or only as a thought? > > The thought is seeing itself, sure enough. > > The thought is not a tree. The thought that there is only thought, is a conceit. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > Next time say that, so it's clearer what you're getting at ;-). > > I'm being extremely clear. > > That is why no one knows what I'm talking about. > > If I was less clear, I'd be getting much more agreement. > > - D - Look -- is there a continuously-existing tree outside your window? When the words are being typed " the tree outside my window is my face, " where is the tree outside my window? Behind " me " ? To the left of " me? " To the right of " me? " Do tell. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > Question: If one's programming cannot be observed, how does one know that one is programmed, or that one *is* the programming itself? > > > Michael A > > Adamson@ > > geo> Ones programming CAN be observed. It is all that can be done - and it is being done. But this seeing is not from within consciousness, from withing the program. Geo - I know what you're trying to suggest, I've tried suggesting such things many times. Yet I know how limited the viability of these suggestions are. All the commentary about a program is coming from what you're calling the program - which isn't really a program at all. It's equally true for my words too, if I speak of awareness and related topics. I can't tell you whether to consider language true or false, real or imaginary - because using those labels is just language trying to comment about itself on its own terms - which is invalid. Same thing when thought tries to know thought by using thought, or self tries to know self, or Self tries to know Self, or person tries to know person or people. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > > The tree outside my window is my face. > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > Ok........you have your very own face.....and you have a window......and there is a tree outside (we'll let the inside outside thing go for a while)......the window.......and that tree is YOUR face. > > > I think I'm beginning to see where you are coming from...... > > > :-0 > > > > > > toombaru Sure, I'm coming from that tree over there. And if you believe that, I have beachfront property in Arizona I want to sell you. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, August 13, 2009 7:05 PM > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > It is all seen as a program. > > > And it is known that that seeing is also part of the program. > > > And it is known that there is nothing beyond the program. > > > > Well, all that is the program. > > > > There is definitely Nothing, beyond the program. > > > > silent Nothing, which is also being inclusive of everything (i.e. one is > > one's perceptions, not a separate watcher apart from them). > > There isn't any program to be beyond. > > Sheesh. > > You think you're beyond a program? > > And you think if you see a program, you're beyond the program? > > Double sheesh. > > - D - > > And the litlle program that sees the big program..how is it know or seen as > a litlle program?? > -geo- Yes. And the entire notion of using programmed language to comment about the programmed consciousness is equally absurd. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The tree outside my window is my face. > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > Ok........you have your very own face.....and you have a window......and there is a tree outside (we'll let the inside outside thing go for a while)......the window.......and that tree is YOUR face. > > > > > > I think I'm beginning to see where you are coming from...... > > > > > > :-0 > > He's picturing a tree outside his window, and confusing the mental picture with the tree outside his window. > > The mental picture is/was his face, sure enough. > > There is no continuously-existing tree, though. > > For whatever reason, he's giving continuity to the discontinuous. No, you're confusing that there's something real being represented by something unreal. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
