Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Great Way has no gate; > > > > > > > > there are a thousand paths to it. > > > > > > > > If you pass through the barrier, > > > > > > > > you walk the universe alone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And you talk to people and tell them how you walk alone. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have no evidence of talking to people. > > > > > > > > > > > > People tell me that, but I hear myself speaking. > > > > > > > > > > No, that's not you. > > > > > > > > I didn't say it was you. > > > > > > Funny! > > > > Ahh, poor ol' maligned 'you'... " me's other half " . A character that's always 'everyone else' to everyone can't have too much of an existence, tho ;-). > > > > Good 'ol me and you... two objects growing old together. It's truly a miracle how folks fail to notice that there's no subject involved in the so-called subject-object relationship. > > Excellent point. > > Two objectified beings depending on being recognized as an object to continue their relationship. > > Each object claiming the subject that neither can have! " We love each other " (who's there from the perspective of 'each other'?), and our meeting place is " somewhere out there " . Eeuugh :-p. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 - geo Nisargadatta Saturday, May 23, 2009 5:09 PM Re: Re: Mumon - dan330033 Nisargadatta Saturday, May 23, 2009 4:47 PM Re: Mumon Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, May 23, 2009 4:00 PM > Re: Mumon > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Tim G. > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, May 23, 2009 6:48 AM > > Re: Mumon > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The Great Way has no gate; > > > > > > there are a thousand paths to it. > > > > > > If you pass through the barrier, > > > > > > you walk the universe alone. > > > > > > > > > > And a P.S.: > > > > > > > > > > Excellent quote, thanks for sharing it. > > > > > > > > > > Fits right in, if anyone hears it. > > > > > > > > It took me five years of actively dying to even begin to 'hear' what > > > > it > > > > means. Thankfully, five years without the pollution of spiritual > > > > words... without anything but steadily shrinking 'horizons' and > > > > impending death. > > > > > > > > > > > > yeah thinking about things takes time. > > > > > > eliminating them is done in a flash. > > > > > > and it requires no effort nor years of trials and tribulations.. > > > > > > nor forebodings of imment death or just plain Immanence.. > > > > > > that stuff all requires a somebody. > > > > > > a somebody with an important story. > > > > > > it actually requires no one... > > > > > > in no time. > > > > > > because that's the way it is. > > > > > > it's never going to change. > > > > > > it's never been any different. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Things are the way they are now. > > > > However, things that never change and will never be any different > > *aren't* > > the way they are now. > > > > Granted, I told a story above. What's important is now. > > > > That's the way it is now. It may change. It may have been different. > > > > What is never going to change and has never been any different is merely > > a > > story. > > > > geo> Wake up danyyyy...time for braekfast. All movemnt, all that > > changes, > > rest > > on the ever-unchanging ground. Where else? > > That was Tim, Geo. > > And Geo - there is no separable ever-unchanging ground. > > There is no separation. > > The changing is the unchanging. > > There is no need to get rid of the changing, or shift awareness, or find > or > be a ground. > > The changing right now is the unchanging exactly as this is. > > There is no division and nowhere else to be. > > -- Dan > > I did not say they are separte. > In a material analogy...the ground is the atoms of the molecules wich make > up cells. > -geo- If one knows they aren't separate, and one is clear, one is the nonseparation. So, for one knowing being this, what ground? I am the ground, so for me -- what ground? geo>You are the ground - what ground? The ground you say you are, of course. Or the ground you say is not, if you prefer. Not sure what ground that might be though... Have I ever said anything about this, except when I fantasized someone else to tell it to and an objectifiable person to speak it? -dan Is this a question to be answered? Why are you asking this? Am I supposed to make comments only about what you have said? Or what?? -geo- Ahhh... sorry, I understand. Yes, it is it. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 24, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > The self will cling to anything that appears to give it an identity. > > > > > > It likes to think that it is everything and everybody. > > > > > > But for it everything is merely a huge stack of post-its. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > clinging *is* self > > > > suffering *is* self > > > > trying to avoid this fact *is* self > > > > > > and this is why all the supposedly " wise words " of all the so-called sages > > > > are worth very little when it comes to resolving the misunderstanding > > > > the words, ideas, practices just add more stuff for clinging > > > > but they don't have to > > > > they can catalyze release of clinging > > > > the end of avoidance > > > > being the suffering > > > > being all that is right now > > > > > > who knows? > > > > any word, any time -- > > > > everything already is included -- > > > > there is nothing that isn't where it is > > > > > ...the conductor.......shifts his attention.....and realizes that the sound is coming through the baton................ > > > > > .......it's like that...... > > > > toombaru the sound finds itself going through a thing called a " baton " . here it is twirling and flowing through and through... held in the hand of a creature doing " conducting " ... and at a time that the creature is realizing... the sound is coming through the baton. most amazing! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 24, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > ....a net of jewels in which every jewel is reflected in every other jewel......and all of those reflections are reflected in every facet........ > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > Good one, Toombaresh ;-). let's face it that's a facet. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 24, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Great Way has no gate; > > > > > > > there are a thousand paths to it. > > > > > > > If you pass through the barrier, > > > > > > > you walk the universe alone. > > > > > > > > > > > > And a P.S.: > > > > > > > > > > > > Excellent quote, thanks for sharing it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Fits right in, if anyone hears it. > > > > > > > > > > It took me five years of actively dying to even begin to 'hear' what it means. Thankfully, five years without the pollution of spiritual words... without anything but steadily shrinking 'horizons' and impending death. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh my God, > > > > > > > > Seems the only not enlightened member here is me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > I'm not claiming enlightenment. There's really no such thing.... > > > but we can say there's ignorance and it's absence. I'll happily > > > claim absence of endarkenment ;-). > > > > P.S. despite popular objection, I don't see anything wrong with some sort of claim of awakening... if it'll stop you from seeking anything. You can even claim to be a chicken-fried beef steak, if it helps ;-). > > What's the point of claiming a quality of any kind? > > All any quality can do, is play off of another quality. > > Someone claiming to be not enlightened allows someone else to claim being enlightened. > > And so it goes. and so what goes? there is no point in saying that what you said.. was of good quality or..more correctly..plain bullshit.. it lacked any kind of quality at all.. that's for sure as you have stated. but this " it " that so it goes as a result of this nonsense.. what the hell is it? where's it going? ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 24, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > The self will cling to anything that appears to give it an identity. > > > > > > > > It likes to think that it is everything and everybody. > > > > > > > > But for it everything is merely a huge stack of post-its. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > clinging *is* self > > > > > > suffering *is* self > > > > > > trying to avoid this fact *is* self > > > > > > > > > and this is why all the supposedly " wise words " of all the so-called sages > > > > > > are worth very little when it comes to resolving the misunderstanding > > > > > > the words, ideas, practices just add more stuff for clinging > > > > > > but they don't have to > > > > > > they can catalyze release of clinging > > > > > > the end of avoidance > > > > > > being the suffering > > > > > > being all that is right now > > > > > > > > > who knows? > > > > > > any word, any time -- > > > > > > everything already is included -- > > > > > > there is nothing that isn't where it is > > > > > > > > > ...the conductor.......shifts his attention.....and realizes that the sound is coming through the baton................ > > > > > > > > > > .......it's like that...... > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > the sound finds itself going through a thing called a " baton " . > > here it is twirling and flowing through and through... > > held in the hand of a creature doing " conducting " ... > > and at a time that the creature is realizing... > > the sound is coming through the baton. > > most amazing! > > .b b.b. > ....sometimes........you make my head spin up over the orb........ toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 24, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > Is this a question to be answered? No. > Why are you asking this? It doesn't matter. You don't have to answer. > Am I supposed to make comments only about what you have said? Or what?? > -geo- You seem to be commenting about what I said. It's not necessary, though. -- Dan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 24, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > " We love each other " (who's there from the perspective of 'each other'?), and our meeting place is " somewhere out there " . Eeuugh :-p. Whew. Well-said. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 24, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > Ahhh... sorry, I understand. Yes, it is it. > -geo- Cool. Click! Indeed - it is it. -- Dan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 24, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > and so what goes? > > there is no point in saying that what you said.. > > was of good quality or..more correctly..plain bullshit.. > > it lacked any kind of quality at all.. > > that's for sure as you have stated. > > but this " it " that so it goes as a result of this nonsense.. > > what the hell is it? > > where's it going? > > .b b.b. " It is going, going, gone. " Mel Allen " Not really. " Tim Allen " It comes to a fork in the road. And it takes it. " Yogi Berra " It then begins to levitate. " Maharishi Mahesh Yogi " Not really. " David Copperfield " It's not over 'til the fat lady sings. " Yogi Berra " Turn it over. It's done on this side. " St. Lawrence of Arabia ..d .d .d Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 24, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > Is this a question to be answered? > > No. > > > Why are you asking this? > > It doesn't matter. You don't have to answer. > > > Am I supposed to make comments only about what you have said? Or what?? > > -geo- > > You seem to be commenting about what I said. > > It's not necessary, though. > > -- Dan here's a tip danny: that comment wasn't necessary either. you're playing with yourself. and i don't mean esoterically so. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 24, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > Ahhh... sorry, I understand. Yes, it is it. > > -geo- > > Cool. > > Click! > > Indeed - it is it. > > -- Dan danny.. i again find it necessary to tell you.. that that comment and critique.. was not necessary. just giving you a brush up lesson. god that i/you/all things and all not things etc etc ad infinitum.. ....and mysteriously and gloriously.. if there was anyone for it to be so classified as.. objectifiably not but more than subjective-like am.. bless you.. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 24, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > and so what goes? > > > > there is no point in saying that what you said.. > > > > was of good quality or..more correctly..plain bullshit.. > > > > it lacked any kind of quality at all.. > > > > that's for sure as you have stated. > > > > but this " it " that so it goes as a result of this nonsense.. > > > > what the hell is it? > > > > where's it going? > > > > .b b.b. > > " It is going, going, gone. " > > Mel Allen > > " Not really. " > > Tim Allen > > " It comes to a fork in the road. > > And it takes it. " > > Yogi Berra > > " It then begins to levitate. " > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi > > " Not really. " > > David Copperfield > > " It's not over 'til the fat lady sings. " > > Yogi Berra > > " Turn it over. It's done on this side. " > > St. Lawrence of Arabia > > > .d .d .d you quote everyone... even copy my sign off.. you have nothing to offer do you? you don't know. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 24, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The self will cling to anything that appears to give it an identity. > > > > > > > > > > It likes to think that it is everything and everybody. > > > > > > > > > > But for it everything is merely a huge stack of post-its. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > clinging *is* self > > > > > > > > suffering *is* self > > > > > > > > trying to avoid this fact *is* self > > > > > > > > > > > > and this is why all the supposedly " wise words " of all the so-called sages > > > > > > > > are worth very little when it comes to resolving the misunderstanding > > > > > > > > the words, ideas, practices just add more stuff for clinging > > > > > > > > but they don't have to > > > > > > > > they can catalyze release of clinging > > > > > > > > the end of avoidance > > > > > > > > being the suffering > > > > > > > > being all that is right now > > > > > > > > > > > > who knows? > > > > > > > > any word, any time -- > > > > > > > > everything already is included -- > > > > > > > > there is nothing that isn't where it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...the conductor.......shifts his attention.....and realizes that the sound is coming through the baton................ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .......it's like that...... > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > the sound finds itself going through a thing called a " baton " . > > > > here it is twirling and flowing through and through... > > > > held in the hand of a creature doing " conducting " ... > > > > and at a time that the creature is realizing... > > > > the sound is coming through the baton. > > > > most amazing! > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > ...sometimes........you make my head spin up over the orb........ toombaru sometimes...you make me out as making that happen for you. sometimes...you make me out as making " things " tough for you. sometimes...you make me out as making up this making things out stuff. sometimes...is sometimes forever. and you are right on every score every time. i can't help myself. for one very good reason.. ;-) ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
