Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > the it of which you speak is not the real It. > > > > > > > > of course It is not an object.. > > > > > > > > nor a subject. > > > > > > > > these are not two in It. > > > > > > > > nothing is objectified nor made into a subjective moment. > > > > > > > > you are lost in word dependency and thus play word games. > > > > > > Well, stop, then. > > > > > > no complaints! > > > > what is IS. > > > > it flows of itself. > > > > no one has the power to stop it. > > > > you're being dramatic. > > No need to subsist on drama. Peace is better, really. there is neither peace no war. they are by implication and nature the same. there is nothing better nor worse. no morality is implicit in It. It is Indifferent to all polarities. and yet i agree.. peaceful and friendly does the day. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > the it of which you speak is not the real It. > > > > > > > > > > of course It is not an object.. > > > > > > > > > > nor a subject. > > > > > > > > > > these are not two in It. > > > > > > > > > > nothing is objectified nor made into a subjective moment. > > > > > > > > > > you are lost in word dependency and thus play word games. > > > > > > > > Well, stop, then. > > > > > > > > > no complaints! > > > > > > what is IS. > > > > > > it flows of itself. > > > > > > no one has the power to stop it. > > > > > > you're being dramatic. > > > > No need to subsist on drama. Peace is better, really. > > > there is neither peace no war. > > they are by implication and nature the same. > > there is nothing better nor worse. > > no morality is implicit in It. > > It is Indifferent to all polarities. > > and yet i agree.. > > peaceful and friendly does the day. > > .b b.b. i wish i knew what i meant. but you know about wishes. they are about as useless and unreal as: " i " s and " meanings " . so in a way.. i get my wish. life is beautiful! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > the it of which you speak is not the real It. > > > > > > > > > > > > of course It is not an object.. > > > > > > > > > > > > nor a subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > these are not two in It. > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing is objectified nor made into a subjective moment. > > > > > > > > > > > > you are lost in word dependency and thus play word games. > > > > > > > > > > Well, stop, then. > > > > > > > > > > > > no complaints! > > > > > > > > what is IS. > > > > > > > > it flows of itself. > > > > > > > > no one has the power to stop it. > > > > > > > > you're being dramatic. > > > > > > No need to subsist on drama. Peace is better, really. > > > > > > there is neither peace no war. > > > > they are by implication and nature the same. > > > > there is nothing better nor worse. > > > > no morality is implicit in It. > > > > It is Indifferent to all polarities. > > > > and yet i agree.. > > > > peaceful and friendly does the day. > > > > .b b.b. > > > i wish i knew what i meant. > > but you know about wishes. > > they are about as useless and unreal as: > > " i " s and " meanings " . > > so in a way.. > > i get my wish. > > life is beautiful! > > .b b.b. then too.. if i don't know.. how can i know that you know about wishes? how can i know that i don't know anything anyway? little is known about this phenomenon. but everyone thinks that they have it figured out. and...they do. they just don't know it. and they don't know that they don't know. so everyone chases after it. see this? ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the it of which you speak is not the real It. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of course It is not an object.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nor a subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these are not two in It. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing is objectified nor made into a subjective moment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you are lost in word dependency and thus play word games. > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, stop, then. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no complaints! > > > > > > > > > > what is IS. > > > > > > > > > > it flows of itself. > > > > > > > > > > no one has the power to stop it. > > > > > > > > > > you're being dramatic. > > > > > > > > No need to subsist on drama. Peace is better, really. > > > > > > > > > there is neither peace no war. > > > > > > they are by implication and nature the same. > > > > > > there is nothing better nor worse. > > > > > > no morality is implicit in It. > > > > > > It is Indifferent to all polarities. > > > > > > and yet i agree.. > > > > > > peaceful and friendly does the day. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > i wish i knew what i meant. > > > > but you know about wishes. > > > > they are about as useless and unreal as: > > > > " i " s and " meanings " . > > > > so in a way.. > > > > i get my wish. > > > > life is beautiful! > > > > .b b.b. > > > then too.. > > if i don't know.. > > how can i know that you know about wishes? > > how can i know that i don't know anything anyway? Well, there's probably no way but to let go of 'knowing' and see if anything real (or important) is lost. In other words, let go the constant tendency to think about things ahead of time, and think all the time about the past. > little is known about this phenomenon. > > but everyone thinks that they have it figured out. > > and...they do. > > they just don't know it. > > and they don't know that they don't know. > > so everyone chases after it. > > see this? Yep... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > the it of which you speak is not the real It. > > > > > > > > > > > > of course It is not an object.. > > > > > > > > > > > > nor a subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > these are not two in It. > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing is objectified nor made into a subjective moment. > > > > > > > > > > > > you are lost in word dependency and thus play word games. > > > > > > > > > > Well, stop, then. > > > > > > > > > > > > no complaints! > > > > > > > > what is IS. > > > > > > > > it flows of itself. > > > > > > > > no one has the power to stop it. > > > > > > > > you're being dramatic. > > > > > > No need to subsist on drama. Peace is better, really. > > > > > > there is neither peace no war. > > > > they are by implication and nature the same. > > > > there is nothing better nor worse. > > > > no morality is implicit in It. > > > > It is Indifferent to all polarities. > > > > and yet i agree.. > > > > peaceful and friendly does the day. > > > > .b b.b. > > It's kinda cool chatting this way, hardly distinguishing at all between " me " and " you " . Maybe we really all are the same Being in the end, eh? Dogen/Heidegger. BeingTime. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the it of which you speak is not the real It. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of course It is not an object.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nor a subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these are not two in It. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing is objectified nor made into a subjective moment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you are lost in word dependency and thus play word games. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, stop, then. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no complaints! > > > > > > > > > > > > what is IS. > > > > > > > > > > > > it flows of itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > no one has the power to stop it. > > > > > > > > > > > > you're being dramatic. > > > > > > > > > > No need to subsist on drama. Peace is better, really. > > > > > > > > > > > > there is neither peace no war. > > > > > > > > they are by implication and nature the same. > > > > > > > > there is nothing better nor worse. > > > > > > > > no morality is implicit in It. > > > > > > > > It is Indifferent to all polarities. > > > > > > > > and yet i agree.. > > > > > > > > peaceful and friendly does the day. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > i wish i knew what i meant. > > > > > > but you know about wishes. > > > > > > they are about as useless and unreal as: > > > > > > " i " s and " meanings " . > > > > > > so in a way.. > > > > > > i get my wish. > > > > > > life is beautiful! > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > then too.. > > > > if i don't know.. > > > > how can i know that you know about wishes? > > > > how can i know that i don't know anything anyway? > > Well, there's probably no way but to let go of 'knowing' and see if anything real (or important) is lost. In other words, let go the constant tendency to think about things ahead of time, and think all the time about the past. > > > little is known about this phenomenon. > > > > but everyone thinks that they have it figured out. > > > > and...they do. > > > > they just don't know it. > > > > and they don't know that they don't know. > > > > so everyone chases after it. > > > > see this? > > Yep... what is " knowing " ? " who " knows? " what " can be " known " . does it matter? ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Friday, May 22, 2009 11:57 PM Re: Mumon Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Great Way has no gate; > > > > > > > there are a thousand paths to it. > > > > > > > If you pass through the barrier, > > > > > > > you walk the universe alone. > > > > > > > > > > > > And you talk to people and tell them how you walk alone. > > > > > > > > > > I have no evidence of talking to people. > > > > > > > > > > People tell me that, but I hear myself speaking. > > > > > > > > No, that's not you. > > > > > > I didn't say it was you. > > > > BTW, is there a problem with feeling that others are my Self? > > > > I don't mean other bodies. > > > other antibodies? Nope. Not bodies, and not antibodies. Just nobodies. geo> Why not other bodies? A body is an animated object. This body here is the only body animated by this organic center in the whole universe (have yu ever reailzed this?). So there are other bodies that are not animated by this center here. BTW.....hmmmm...there is something very strange in this fact...are you noticing it? Or is it just me? -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 - Werner Woehr Nisargadatta Saturday, May 23, 2009 5:21 AM Re: Mumon Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > The Great Way has no gate; > > > there are a thousand paths to it. > > > If you pass through the barrier, > > > you walk the universe alone. > > > > And a P.S.: > > > > Excellent quote, thanks for sharing it. > > > > Fits right in, if anyone hears it. > > It took me five years of actively dying to even begin to 'hear' what it > means. Thankfully, five years without the pollution of spiritual words... > without anything but steadily shrinking 'horizons' and impending death. > Oh my God, Seems the only not enlightened member here is me. Werner LOL LOL LOL -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Saturday, May 23, 2009 6:48 AM Re: Mumon Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > The Great Way has no gate; > > > > there are a thousand paths to it. > > > > If you pass through the barrier, > > > > you walk the universe alone. > > > > > > And a P.S.: > > > > > > Excellent quote, thanks for sharing it. > > > > > > Fits right in, if anyone hears it. > > > > It took me five years of actively dying to even begin to 'hear' what it > > means. Thankfully, five years without the pollution of spiritual > > words... without anything but steadily shrinking 'horizons' and > > impending death. > > > > yeah thinking about things takes time. > > eliminating them is done in a flash. > > and it requires no effort nor years of trials and tribulations.. > > nor forebodings of imment death or just plain Immanence.. > > that stuff all requires a somebody. > > a somebody with an important story. > > it actually requires no one... > > in no time. > > because that's the way it is. > > it's never going to change. > > it's never been any different. > > .b b.b. Things are the way they are now. However, things that never change and will never be any different *aren't* the way they are now. Granted, I told a story above. What's important is now. That's the way it is now. It may change. It may have been different. What is never going to change and has never been any different is merely a story. geo> Wake up danyyyy...time for braekfast. All movemnt, all that changes, rest on the ever-unchanging ground. Where else? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Friday, May 22, 2009 11:57 PM > Re: Mumon > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Great Way has no gate; > > > > > > > > there are a thousand paths to it. > > > > > > > > If you pass through the barrier, > > > > > > > > you walk the universe alone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And you talk to people and tell them how you walk alone. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have no evidence of talking to people. > > > > > > > > > > > > People tell me that, but I hear myself speaking. > > > > > > > > > > No, that's not you. > > > > > > > > I didn't say it was you. > > > > > > BTW, is there a problem with feeling that others are my Self? > > > > > > I don't mean other bodies. > > > > > > other antibodies? > > Nope. Not bodies, and not antibodies. Just nobodies. > > geo> Why not other bodies? A body is an animated object. This body here > is the only body animated by this organic center in the whole universe > (have yu ever reailzed this?). So there are other bodies that are not > animated > by this center here. BTW.....hmmmm...there is something very strange in > this fact...are you noticing it? Or is it just me? > -geo- no it's not just you. it isn't strange. it's the most obvious identity of all motion and matter. .. b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 > geo> Why not other bodies? A body is an animated object. This body here > is the only body animated by this organic center in the whole universe > (have yu ever reailzed this?). So there are other bodies that are not > animated > by this center here. BTW.....hmmmm...there is something very strange in > this fact...are you noticing it? Or is it just me? > -geo- no it's not just you. it isn't strange. it's the most obvious identity of all motion and matter. .. b b.b. Allow me to indulge in this thing a bit. It is indeed an organic center animating this body here... but there is something weird going on... The very existence of the universe is only through this body here. So... among all the living beings in this whole wide universe, including all the galaxies known and yet unknown...only here in this tiny earth...there is this tiny body...being able to say I am. Even if there is no such I am - as is said....it is only this one body among trillion of trillions of trillions saying it. -gggeo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > geo> Why not other bodies? A body is an animated object. This body here > > is the only body animated by this organic center in the whole universe > > (have yu ever reailzed this?). So there are other bodies that are not > > animated > > by this center here. BTW.....hmmmm...there is something very strange in > > this fact...are you noticing it? Or is it just me? > > -geo- > > no it's not just you. > > it isn't strange. > > it's the most obvious identity of all motion and matter. > > . b b.b. > > Allow me to indulge in this thing a bit. > It is indeed an organic center animating this body here... but there is > something weird going on... > The very existence of the universe is only through this body here. > So... among all the living beings in this whole wide universe, including all > the galaxies known > and yet unknown...only here in this tiny earth...there is this tiny > body...being able to say > I am. Even if there is no such I am - as is said....it is only this one body > among trillion of > trillions of trillions saying it. > -gggeo- > There occurs......or not.....a new way of thinking......a new way of seeing. The old ways do not give up their world-view without a struggle. There occurs.....or not.....a radical shift in which the center of perception breaks and expands inward and outward to include the entire universe. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Saturday, May 23, 2009 11:46 AM Re: Mumon Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > geo> Why not other bodies? A body is an animated object. This body here > > is the only body animated by this organic center in the whole universe > > (have yu ever reailzed this?). So there are other bodies that are not > > animated > > by this center here. BTW.....hmmmm...there is something very strange in > > this fact...are you noticing it? Or is it just me? > > -geo- > > no it's not just you. > > it isn't strange. > > it's the most obvious identity of all motion and matter. > > . b b.b. > > Allow me to indulge in this thing a bit. > It is indeed an organic center animating this body here... but there is > something weird going on... > The very existence of the universe is only through this body here. > So... among all the living beings in this whole wide universe, including > all > the galaxies known > and yet unknown...only here in this tiny earth...there is this tiny > body...being able to say > I am. Even if there is no such I am - as is said....it is only this one > body > among trillion of > trillions of trillions saying it. > -gggeo- > There occurs......or not.....a new way of thinking......a new way of seeing. The old ways do not give up their world-view without a struggle. There occurs.....or not.....a radical shift in which the center of perception breaks and expands inward and outward to include the entire universe. toombaru Would you say that this body is special - one among a trillion quatrillions? --geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > geo> Why not other bodies? A body is an animated object. This body here > > > is the only body animated by this organic center in the whole universe > > > (have yu ever reailzed this?). So there are other bodies that are not > > > animated > > > by this center here. BTW.....hmmmm...there is something very strange in > > > this fact...are you noticing it? Or is it just me? > > > -geo- > > > > no it's not just you. > > > > it isn't strange. > > > > it's the most obvious identity of all motion and matter. > > > > . b b.b. > > > > Allow me to indulge in this thing a bit. > > It is indeed an organic center animating this body here... but there is > > something weird going on... > > The very existence of the universe is only through this body here. > > So... among all the living beings in this whole wide universe, including all > > the galaxies known > > and yet unknown...only here in this tiny earth...there is this tiny > > body...being able to say > > I am. Even if there is no such I am - as is said....it is only this one body > > among trillion of > > trillions of trillions saying it. > > -gggeo- > > > > > > > There occurs......or not.....a new way of thinking......a new way of seeing. > > The old ways do not give up their world-view without a struggle. > > There occurs.....or not.....a radical shift in which the center of perception breaks and expands inward and outward to include the entire universe. > > The entire universe - WOW ! Question: How can that happen and what is your source of that wisdom ? Werner > > toombaru > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, May 23, 2009 11:46 AM > Re: Mumon > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > geo> Why not other bodies? A body is an animated object. This body here > > > is the only body animated by this organic center in the whole universe > > > (have yu ever reailzed this?). So there are other bodies that are not > > > animated > > > by this center here. BTW.....hmmmm...there is something very strange in > > > this fact...are you noticing it? Or is it just me? > > > -geo- > > > > no it's not just you. > > > > it isn't strange. > > > > it's the most obvious identity of all motion and matter. > > > > . b b.b. > > > > Allow me to indulge in this thing a bit. > > It is indeed an organic center animating this body here... but there is > > something weird going on... > > The very existence of the universe is only through this body here. > > So... among all the living beings in this whole wide universe, including > > all > > the galaxies known > > and yet unknown...only here in this tiny earth...there is this tiny > > body...being able to say > > I am. Even if there is no such I am - as is said....it is only this one > > body > > among trillion of > > trillions of trillions saying it. > > -gggeo- > > > > There occurs......or not.....a new way of thinking......a new way of seeing. > > The old ways do not give up their world-view without a struggle. > > There occurs.....or not.....a radical shift in which the center of > perception breaks and expands inward and outward to include the entire > universe. > > toombaru > > Would you say that this body is special - one among a trillion quatrillions? > --geo- > This body possess a unique perceptual agenda......a world view that has never been seen before and will never be seen again. It is a miniscule element of the vastness flowing out-of and into itself. Identification can shift from the personal-miniscule to the impersonal-vastness. Nothing changes...............but man.........it ain't the same. LOL toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > geo> Why not other bodies? A body is an animated object. This body here > > > > is the only body animated by this organic center in the whole universe > > > > (have yu ever reailzed this?). So there are other bodies that are not > > > > animated > > > > by this center here. BTW.....hmmmm...there is something very strange in > > > > this fact...are you noticing it? Or is it just me? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > no it's not just you. > > > > > > it isn't strange. > > > > > > it's the most obvious identity of all motion and matter. > > > > > > . b b.b. > > > > > > Allow me to indulge in this thing a bit. > > > It is indeed an organic center animating this body here... but there is > > > something weird going on... > > > The very existence of the universe is only through this body here. > > > So... among all the living beings in this whole wide universe, including all > > > the galaxies known > > > and yet unknown...only here in this tiny earth...there is this tiny > > > body...being able to say > > > I am. Even if there is no such I am - as is said....it is only this one body > > > among trillion of > > > trillions of trillions saying it. > > > -gggeo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > There occurs......or not.....a new way of thinking......a new way of seeing. > > > > The old ways do not give up their world-view without a struggle. > > > > There occurs.....or not.....a radical shift in which the center of perception breaks and expands inward and outward to include the entire universe. > > > > > > > The entire universe - WOW ! > > Question: How can that happen and what is your source of that wisdom ? > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > Did it resonate with who you think you are? toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > geo> Why not other bodies? A body is an animated object. This body here > > is the only body animated by this organic center in the whole universe > > (have yu ever reailzed this?). So there are other bodies that are not > > animated > > by this center here. BTW.....hmmmm...there is something very strange in > > this fact...are you noticing it? Or is it just me? > > -geo- > > no it's not just you. > > it isn't strange. > > it's the most obvious identity of all motion and matter. > > . b b.b. > > Allow me to indulge in this thing a bit. > It is indeed an organic center animating this body here... but there is > something weird going on... > The very existence of the universe is only through this body here. > So... among all the living beings in this whole wide universe, including all > the galaxies known > and yet unknown...only here in this tiny earth...there is this tiny > body...being able to say > I am. Even if there is no such I am - as is said....it is only this one body > among trillion of > trillions of trillions saying it. > -gggeo- uh huh. even microscopic inanimate space debris. from the emperor's clothes to sloppy joes. me me me me me. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > geo> Why not other bodies? A body is an animated object. This body here > > > > is the only body animated by this organic center in the whole universe > > > > (have yu ever reailzed this?). So there are other bodies that are not > > > > animated > > > > by this center here. BTW.....hmmmm...there is something very strange in > > > > this fact...are you noticing it? Or is it just me? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > no it's not just you. > > > > > > it isn't strange. > > > > > > it's the most obvious identity of all motion and matter. > > > > > > . b b.b. > > > > > > Allow me to indulge in this thing a bit. > > > It is indeed an organic center animating this body here... but there is > > > something weird going on... > > > The very existence of the universe is only through this body here. > > > So... among all the living beings in this whole wide universe, including all > > > the galaxies known > > > and yet unknown...only here in this tiny earth...there is this tiny > > > body...being able to say > > > I am. Even if there is no such I am - as is said....it is only this one body > > > among trillion of > > > trillions of trillions saying it. > > > -gggeo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > There occurs......or not.....a new way of thinking......a new way of seeing. > > > > The old ways do not give up their world-view without a struggle. > > > > There occurs.....or not.....a radical shift in which the center of perception breaks and expands inward and outward to include the entire universe. > > > > > > > The entire universe - WOW ! > > Question: How can that happen and what is your source of that wisdom ? > > Werner would you believe it.. if it came from some schlock german scientist? LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > geo > Nisargadatta > Saturday, May 23, 2009 11:53 AM > Re: Re: Mumon - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, May 23, 2009 11:46 AM > Re: Mumon > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > geo> Why not other bodies? A body is an animated object. This body here > > > is the only body animated by this organic center in the whole universe > > > (have yu ever reailzed this?). So there are other bodies that are not > > > animated > > > by this center here. BTW.....hmmmm...there is something very strange in > > > this fact...are you noticing it? Or is it just me? > > > -geo- > > > > no it's not just you. > > > > it isn't strange. > > > > it's the most obvious identity of all motion and matter. > > > > . b b.b. > > > > Allow me to indulge in this thing a bit. > > It is indeed an organic center animating this body here... but there is > > something weird going on... > > The very existence of the universe is only through this body here. > > So... among all the living beings in this whole wide universe, including > > all > > the galaxies known > > and yet unknown...only here in this tiny earth...there is this tiny > > body...being able to say > > I am. Even if there is no such I am - as is said....it is only this one > > body > > among trillion of > > trillions of trillions saying it. > > -gggeo- > > > > There occurs......or not.....a new way of thinking......a new way of seeing. > > The old ways do not give up their world-view without a struggle. > > There occurs.....or not.....a radical shift in which the center of > perception breaks and expands inward and outward to include the entire > universe. > > toombaru > > Would you say that this body is special - one among a trillion quatrillions? > > In other words: is this body so special that absolute is looking through its > eyes? > Werner....what so you say? > --geo- > Thanks, Geo, for including me into your inquiry. If you allow me to be frank: Regarding that 'special' body capable of seeing the univers is as unintresting as the dirt under my fingernails. And poor universe, no one has asked it if it wants it to be seen by specicl bodies. What do you think is a universe able to hide or is it as accessible as a whorehouse ? Werner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > geo > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, May 23, 2009 11:53 AM > > Re: Re: Mumon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, May 23, 2009 11:46 AM > > Re: Mumon > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > geo> Why not other bodies? A body is an animated object. This body here > > > > is the only body animated by this organic center in the whole universe > > > > (have yu ever reailzed this?). So there are other bodies that are not > > > > animated > > > > by this center here. BTW.....hmmmm...there is something very strange in > > > > this fact...are you noticing it? Or is it just me? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > no it's not just you. > > > > > > it isn't strange. > > > > > > it's the most obvious identity of all motion and matter. > > > > > > . b b.b. > > > > > > Allow me to indulge in this thing a bit. > > > It is indeed an organic center animating this body here... but there is > > > something weird going on... > > > The very existence of the universe is only through this body here. > > > So... among all the living beings in this whole wide universe, including > > > all > > > the galaxies known > > > and yet unknown...only here in this tiny earth...there is this tiny > > > body...being able to say > > > I am. Even if there is no such I am - as is said....it is only this one > > > body > > > among trillion of > > > trillions of trillions saying it. > > > -gggeo- > > > > > > > There occurs......or not.....a new way of thinking......a new way of seeing. > > > > The old ways do not give up their world-view without a struggle. > > > > There occurs.....or not.....a radical shift in which the center of > > perception breaks and expands inward and outward to include the entire > > universe. > > > > toombaru > > > > Would you say that this body is special - one among a trillion quatrillions? > > > > In other words: is this body so special that absolute is looking through its > > eyes? > > Werner....what so you say? > > --geo- > > > > > Thanks, Geo, for including me into your inquiry. > > If you allow me to be frank: Regarding that 'special' body capable of seeing the univers is as unintresting as the dirt under my fingernails. > > And poor universe, no one has asked it if it wants it to be seen by specicl bodies. > > What do you think is a universe able to hide or is it as accessible as a whorehouse ? > > Werner gee.. i'd think the dirt under your fingernails.. would be interesting as hell.. brimming with squirmy..squishy..pulsing...animate..life forms. some likely more with it than yourself werner. evidently you frequent brothels.. poor lonely dude! i mean no matter how accessible...c'mon! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Saturday, May 23, 2009 11:46 AM Re: Mumon Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > geo> Why not other bodies? A body is an animated object. This body here > > is the only body animated by this organic center in the whole universe > > (have yu ever reailzed this?). So there are other bodies that are not > > animated > > by this center here. BTW.....hmmmm...there is something very strange in > > this fact...are you noticing it? Or is it just me? > > -geo- > > no it's not just you. > > it isn't strange. > > it's the most obvious identity of all motion and matter. > > . b b.b. > > Allow me to indulge in this thing a bit. > It is indeed an organic center animating this body here... but there is > something weird going on... > The very existence of the universe is only through this body here. > So... among all the living beings in this whole wide universe, including > all > the galaxies known > and yet unknown...only here in this tiny earth...there is this tiny > body...being able to say > I am. Even if there is no such I am - as is said....it is only this one > body > among trillion of > trillions of trillions saying it. > -gggeo- > There occurs......or not.....a new way of thinking......a new way of seeing. The old ways do not give up their world-view without a struggle. There occurs.....or not.....a radical shift in which the center of perception breaks and expands inward and outward to include the entire universe. toombaru This center of perception is born from the material - organic matter? -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Saturday, May 23, 2009 12:04 PM Re: Mumon Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, May 23, 2009 11:46 AM > Re: Mumon > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > geo> Why not other bodies? A body is an animated object. This body > > > here > > > is the only body animated by this organic center in the whole universe > > > (have yu ever reailzed this?). So there are other bodies that are not > > > animated > > > by this center here. BTW.....hmmmm...there is something very strange > > > in > > > this fact...are you noticing it? Or is it just me? > > > -geo- > > > > no it's not just you. > > > > it isn't strange. > > > > it's the most obvious identity of all motion and matter. > > > > . b b.b. > > > > Allow me to indulge in this thing a bit. > > It is indeed an organic center animating this body here... but there is > > something weird going on... > > The very existence of the universe is only through this body here. > > So... among all the living beings in this whole wide universe, including > > all > > the galaxies known > > and yet unknown...only here in this tiny earth...there is this tiny > > body...being able to say > > I am. Even if there is no such I am - as is said....it is only this one > > body > > among trillion of > > trillions of trillions saying it. > > -gggeo- > > > > There occurs......or not.....a new way of thinking......a new way of > seeing. > > The old ways do not give up their world-view without a struggle. > > There occurs.....or not.....a radical shift in which the center of > perception breaks and expands inward and outward to include the entire > universe. > > toombaru > > Would you say that this body is special - one among a trillion > quatrillions? > --geo- > This body possess a unique perceptual agenda......a world view that has never been seen before and will never be seen again. It is a miniscule element of the vastness flowing out-of and into itself. Identification can shift from the personal-miniscule to the impersonal-vastness. Nothing changes...............but man.........it ain't the same. LOL toombaru A+ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 - Werner Woehr Nisargadatta Saturday, May 23, 2009 12:22 PM Re: Mumon Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > geo > Nisargadatta > Saturday, May 23, 2009 11:53 AM > Re: Re: Mumon - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, May 23, 2009 11:46 AM > Re: Mumon > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > geo> Why not other bodies? A body is an animated object. This body > > > here > > > is the only body animated by this organic center in the whole universe > > > (have yu ever reailzed this?). So there are other bodies that are not > > > animated > > > by this center here. BTW.....hmmmm...there is something very strange > > > in > > > this fact...are you noticing it? Or is it just me? > > > -geo- > > > > no it's not just you. > > > > it isn't strange. > > > > it's the most obvious identity of all motion and matter. > > > > . b b.b. > > > > Allow me to indulge in this thing a bit. > > It is indeed an organic center animating this body here... but there is > > something weird going on... > > The very existence of the universe is only through this body here. > > So... among all the living beings in this whole wide universe, including > > all > > the galaxies known > > and yet unknown...only here in this tiny earth...there is this tiny > > body...being able to say > > I am. Even if there is no such I am - as is said....it is only this one > > body > > among trillion of > > trillions of trillions saying it. > > -gggeo- > > > > There occurs......or not.....a new way of thinking......a new way of > seeing. > > The old ways do not give up their world-view without a struggle. > > There occurs.....or not.....a radical shift in which the center of > perception breaks and expands inward and outward to include the entire > universe. > > toombaru > > Would you say that this body is special - one among a trillion > quatrillions? > > In other words: is this body so special that absolute is looking through > its > eyes? > Werner....what so you say? > --geo- > Thanks, Geo, for including me into your inquiry. If you allow me to be frank: Regarding that 'special' body capable of seeing the univers is as unintresting as the dirt under my fingernails. And poor universe, no one has asked it if it wants it to be seen by specicl bodies. What do you think is a universe able to hide or is it as accessible as a whorehouse ? Werner Now seriously.... you see the body from inside out. Yours is the only body in the unviverse that you see form inside out. All other bodies you see form outside in. How is that? Is werner special? -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 > > > geo> Why not other bodies? A body is an animated object. This body > > > here > > > is the only body animated by this organic center in the whole universe > > > (have yu ever reailzed this?). So there are other bodies that are not > > > animated > > > by this center here. BTW.....hmmmm...there is something very strange > > > in > > > this fact...are you noticing it? Or is it just me? > > > -geo- > > > > no it's not just you. > > > > it isn't strange. > > > > it's the most obvious identity of all motion and matter. > > > > . b b.b. > > > > Allow me to indulge in this thing a bit. > > It is indeed an organic center animating this body here... but there is > > something weird going on... > > The very existence of the universe is only through this body here. > > So... among all the living beings in this whole wide universe, including > > all > > the galaxies known > > and yet unknown...only here in this tiny earth...there is this tiny > > body...being able to say > > I am. Even if there is no such I am - as is said....it is only this one > > body > > among trillion of > > trillions of trillions saying it. > > -gggeo- > > > > > > > There occurs......or not.....a new way of thinking......a new way of > seeing. > > The old ways do not give up their world-view without a struggle. > > There occurs.....or not.....a radical shift in which the center of > perception breaks and expands inward and outward to include the entire > universe. > > The entire universe - WOW ! Question: How can that happen and what is your source of that wisdom ? Werner I think werner has a point here toomba. Although perceptually there is the involving of the entire human world, our now super special, enhenced, turbo-charged, hiper-intelligence, tells us by analogy to the stars and galaxies and other solar sytems that there are parts of the vast universe we dont touch. This same intelligence, by the same analogy tells us that in fact what we see is so small that words fail.....nonetheless it is of the a " material " that seems to have lots of potential for further expansion.. -geo- Visit Your Group Give Back for Good Get inspired by a good cause. Y! Toolbar Get it Free! easy 1-click access to your groups. Start a group in 3 easy steps. Connect with others.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Werner Woehr > Nisargadatta > Saturday, May 23, 2009 12:22 PM > Re: Mumon > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > geo > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, May 23, 2009 11:53 AM > > Re: Re: Mumon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, May 23, 2009 11:46 AM > > Re: Mumon > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > geo> Why not other bodies? A body is an animated object. This body > > > > here > > > > is the only body animated by this organic center in the whole universe > > > > (have yu ever reailzed this?). So there are other bodies that are not > > > > animated > > > > by this center here. BTW.....hmmmm...there is something very strange > > > > in > > > > this fact...are you noticing it? Or is it just me? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > no it's not just you. > > > > > > it isn't strange. > > > > > > it's the most obvious identity of all motion and matter. > > > > > > . b b.b. > > > > > > Allow me to indulge in this thing a bit. > > > It is indeed an organic center animating this body here... but there is > > > something weird going on... > > > The very existence of the universe is only through this body here. > > > So... among all the living beings in this whole wide universe, including > > > all > > > the galaxies known > > > and yet unknown...only here in this tiny earth...there is this tiny > > > body...being able to say > > > I am. Even if there is no such I am - as is said....it is only this one > > > body > > > among trillion of > > > trillions of trillions saying it. > > > -gggeo- > > > > > > > There occurs......or not.....a new way of thinking......a new way of > > seeing. > > > > The old ways do not give up their world-view without a struggle. > > > > There occurs.....or not.....a radical shift in which the center of > > perception breaks and expands inward and outward to include the entire > > universe. > > > > toombaru > > > > Would you say that this body is special - one among a trillion > > quatrillions? > > > > In other words: is this body so special that absolute is looking through > > its > > eyes? > > Werner....what so you say? > > --geo- > > > > Thanks, Geo, for including me into your inquiry. > > If you allow me to be frank: Regarding that 'special' body capable of seeing > the univers is as unintresting as the dirt under my fingernails. > > And poor universe, no one has asked it if it wants it to be seen by specicl > bodies. > > What do you think is a universe able to hide or is it as accessible as a > whorehouse ? > > Werner > > Now seriously.... you see the body from inside out. Yours is the only body > in the unviverse > that you see form inside out. All other bodies you see form outside in. How > is that? > Is werner special? > -geo- > Which way ever, I don't mind ... Quaaaaaaaaaaaaack. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
