Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > the self keeps raising > > > > > like a wave > > > > > it can shift perception > > > > > to the forward edge > > > > > and fall into what's next > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > i don't know. > > > > > > > > mine is gone. > > > > > > > > there is no next. > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > A personal question. Could/would you identify some kind of graduality as > > > > a > > > > result of which > > > > your " mine is gone " ? Was/is it not a kind of an on/off thing for you? > > > > Sometimes I realize > > > > I was deeeeply asleep. Sometimes I fight to awake and can not... > > > > sometimes > > > > these concerns > > > > make no sense at all... > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > well actually there is not a mote of difference.. > > > > > > between what " seems to be " and what is. > > > > > > there is no " time " between or betwixt the two. > > > > > > you're only fooling yourself. > > > > > > " It " is right before your eyes.. > > > > > > and behind them. > > > > > > just get out of the Way. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > no way > > > > toombaru > > > > Why do you say that? It is so. > > -geo- > > > > > > There is no way go get out of a prison that exists only in the mind of the prisoner. > > ........well......there is a way.........but it is not to found in the dream.......and it is not the prisoner that escapes. > > ....for him......it's a life sentence. > > > > " You can get out of here " ......the voice said.... " but you have to leave the little monkey inside " . > > > > > toombaru > dang it all! you ruined your first and correct response: " no way " . all the rest is window dressing. and there ain't no window! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > I think if we where to visit niz,. you, toomba and a few others here, > > > > would > > > > be sent away as " knowing to much and wanting to show off " . > > > > I would probably be barred at the stairs.. and Werner... he would be > > > > turned > > > > back home at the Bombay airport authority. > > > > > > > > > > the only One who ever could visit niz....is this imaginary bubble " geo " .... > > > > > > there is nobody else > > > > > > geo> True. > > > > > > .... > > > > > > " geo " remain alone with imaginary Master/Saint/God/Guru.....as long " geo " is > > > thinking/believing to be " geo " > > > > > > geo> I was raised in a non-religious atheist familly (big deal). So thee is > > > no imaginary Master/Saint/God/Guru > > > for me. But I would not mind meeting personalities like niz. I also like to > > > talk with a nieghbour down the street. > > > As for geo: it is a convenient name to call this organism. > > > > > > .... > > > > > > after " geo " would have gone.... > > > > > > there is this your " beauty " you are running after....for some reason.... > > > > > > geo> Ahhh...but this is pungenly true! Interesting that you raised this > > > issue right now. Just a few days ago > > > I was saying to myself: " I have never realized the truth of this fact so > > > clearly like right now " . > > > When you stand alone in the universe, after the first moments of > > > claustrophobia, one sees that the > > > absense of pleasures and fleeting happinessess is not such a big loss....and > > > the absense of the dream, > > > of the imaginary sufferings... is the purest beauty. Do you share this with > > > me? > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHO is there.....who could share the " purest beauty " ....?... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > in awe > he looked around > the new kingdom > and wanted to share > what he saw > then he realized that > they were > all inside > who he was > and there was > no one > but him > > > > toombaru and he was never lonely again. there never was a reason to be from the first. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > the self keeps raising > > > > > > like a wave > > > > > > it can shift perception > > > > > > to the forward edge > > > > > > and fall into what's next > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > i don't know. > > > > > > > > > > mine is gone. > > > > > > > > > > there is no next. > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > A personal question. Could/would you identify some kind of graduality as a > > > > > result of which > > > > > your " mine is gone " ? Was/is it not a kind of an on/off thing for you? > > > > > Sometimes I realize > > > > > I was deeeeply asleep. Sometimes I fight to awake and can not... sometimes > > > > > these concerns > > > > > make no sense at all... > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > well actually there is not a mote of difference.. > > > > > > > > between what " seems to be " and what is. > > > > > > > > there is no " time " between or betwixt the two. > > > > > > > > you're only fooling yourself. > > > > > > > > " It " is right before your eyes.. > > > > > > > > and behind them. > > > > > > > > just get out of the Way. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > that's the one. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > no way............ > .......and no curds...... > > > > > > toombaru :-) some say no turds. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > My dish washer flooded my floor this morning. > > > > > > > > > > > > I kicked it so hard the door flew off and broke my stove. > > > > > > > > > > > > I took the skillet off the stove and tossed it through my sliding > > > > > > glass > > > > > > doors. > > > > > > > > > > > > The glass shattered into the swimming pool. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you think you have problems? > > > > > > > > > > this morning was no different than any morning here. > > > > > > > > > > i awoke years ago and still can't find my " self " . > > > > > > > > > > it's actually not a problem.. > > > > > > > > > > but it's no solution either. > > > > > > > > > > there is none. > > > > > > > > > > gotta live with your own death is the guess. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > the self keeps raising > > > > like a wave > > > > it can shift perception > > > > to the forward edge > > > > and fall into what's next > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > A question. > > > > Seems clear to me that the shift from shadow to light, from time to > > > > no-time, > > > > is a quantum shift. > > > > Can not be gradual. It is always a new flash. > > > > > > a flash > > > a flash > > > a flash > > > a flash > > > a flash > > > a flash > > > > > > > > > > > But in the other hand, the imaginary inner center is linked to actual > > > > organic connections in the brain. > > > > There is an actual miss-wiring as the result of conditioning. > > > > > > Evolution tries infinite combinations.......some work pretty good......some > > > no so pretty good. > > > > > > geo> Yes, as an evolutionary thing in human race. But I mean within one > > > lifespan. As a centered inner being > > > the wiring is there - in some particular way, physicaly - and then without > > > the center, the wiring has changed. > > > Can that not be gradual? > > > > > > > > > > > This physical miss-wiring is a material process, and I wonder if the > > > > fixing > > > > of these connections can > > > > not be a gradual process? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > Within a river.....it is difficult for one whirlpool to study another > > > whirlpool. > > > > > > It is possible just to be aware....and amazed at the spinning of it all. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > well boys.. > > > > there is absolutely nothing to " fix " . > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > you mean > ........ > i don't need > this gun? > > > > :-0 > > > > > toombaru you don't need it but happiness is a warm gun. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > > > > > > the self keeps raising > > > > > like a wave > > > > > it can shift perception > > > > > to the forward edge > > > > > and fall into what's next > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > i don't know. > > > > > > > > mine is gone. > > > > > > > > there is no next. > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > A personal question. Could/would you identify some kind of graduality > > > > as > > > > a > > > > result of which > > > > your " mine is gone " ? Was/is it not a kind of an on/off thing for you? > > > > Sometimes I realize > > > > I was deeeeply asleep. Sometimes I fight to awake and can not... > > > > sometimes > > > > these concerns > > > > make no sense at all... > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > well actually there is not a mote of difference.. > > > > > > between what " seems to be " and what is. > > > > > > there is no " time " between or betwixt the two. > > > > > > you're only fooling yourself. > > > > > > " It " is right before your eyes.. > > > > > > and behind them. > > > > > > just get out of the Way. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > no way > > > > toombaru > > > > Why do you say that? It is so. > > -geo- > > > > There is no way go get out of a prison that exists only in the mind of the > prisoner. > > ........well......there is a way.........but it is not to found in the > dream.......and it is not the prisoner that escapes. > > ....for him......it's a life sentence. > > " You can get out of here " ......the voice said.... " but you have to leave the > little monkey inside " . > > toombaru > > Sorry it is not clear....Is your " no way " a desagreement to what bbb is > saying? > -geo- no way! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > the self keeps raising > > > > > > like a wave > > > > > > it can shift perception > > > > > > to the forward edge > > > > > > and fall into what's next > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > i don't know. > > > > > > > > > > mine is gone. > > > > > > > > > > there is no next. > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > A personal question. Could/would you identify some kind of graduality as > > > > > a > > > > > result of which > > > > > your " mine is gone " ? Was/is it not a kind of an on/off thing for you? > > > > > Sometimes I realize > > > > > I was deeeeply asleep. Sometimes I fight to awake and can not... > > > > > sometimes > > > > > these concerns > > > > > make no sense at all... > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > well actually there is not a mote of difference.. > > > > > > > > between what " seems to be " and what is. > > > > > > > > there is no " time " between or betwixt the two. > > > > > > > > you're only fooling yourself. > > > > > > > > " It " is right before your eyes.. > > > > > > > > and behind them. > > > > > > > > just get out of the Way. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > no way > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Why do you say that? It is so. > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > There is no way go get out of a prison that exists only in the mind of the prisoner. > > > > ........well......there is a way.........but it is not to found in the dream.......and it is not the prisoner that escapes. > > > > ....for him......it's a life sentence. > > > > > > > > " You can get out of here " ......the voice said.... " but you have to leave the little monkey inside " . > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > dang it all! > > you ruined your first and correct response: > > " no way " . > > all the rest is window dressing. > > and there ain't no window! > > .b b.b. > well......when you started to fall...... i felt frightened and tossed you a line if we both let go i can't imagine what would happen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > > > > > > the self keeps raising > > > > > like a wave > > > > > it can shift perception > > > > > to the forward edge > > > > > and fall into what's next > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > i don't know. > > > > > > > > mine is gone. > > > > > > > > there is no next. > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > A personal question. Could/would you identify some kind of graduality > > > > as > > > > a > > > > result of which > > > > your " mine is gone " ? Was/is it not a kind of an on/off thing for you? > > > > Sometimes I realize > > > > I was deeeeply asleep. Sometimes I fight to awake and can not... > > > > sometimes > > > > these concerns > > > > make no sense at all... > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > well actually there is not a mote of difference.. > > > > > > between what " seems to be " and what is. > > > > > > there is no " time " between or betwixt the two. > > > > > > you're only fooling yourself. > > > > > > " It " is right before your eyes.. > > > > > > and behind them. > > > > > > just get out of the Way. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > no way > > > > toombaru > > > > Why do you say that? It is so. > > -geo- > > > > There is no way go get out of a prison that exists only in the mind of the > prisoner. > > ........well......there is a way.........but it is not to found in the > dream.......and it is not the prisoner that escapes. > > ....for him......it's a life sentence. > > " You can get out of here " ......the voice said.... " but you have to leave the > little monkey inside " . > > toombaru > > Sorry it is not clear....Is your " no way " a desagreement to what bbb is > saying? > -geo- > We are saying the same thing. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > the self keeps raising > > > > > > like a wave > > > > > > it can shift perception > > > > > > to the forward edge > > > > > > and fall into what's next > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > i don't know. > > > > > > > > > > mine is gone. > > > > > > > > > > there is no next. > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > A personal question. Could/would you identify some kind of graduality > > > > > as > > > > > a > > > > > result of which > > > > > your " mine is gone " ? Was/is it not a kind of an on/off thing for you? > > > > > Sometimes I realize > > > > > I was deeeeply asleep. Sometimes I fight to awake and can not... > > > > > sometimes > > > > > these concerns > > > > > make no sense at all... > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > well actually there is not a mote of difference.. > > > > > > > > between what " seems to be " and what is. > > > > > > > > there is no " time " between or betwixt the two. > > > > > > > > you're only fooling yourself. > > > > > > > > " It " is right before your eyes.. > > > > > > > > and behind them. > > > > > > > > just get out of the Way. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > no way > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Why do you say that? It is so. > > > -geo- > > > > > > > There is no way go get out of a prison that exists only in the mind of the > > prisoner. > > > > ........well......there is a way.........but it is not to found in the > > dream.......and it is not the prisoner that escapes. > > > > ....for him......it's a life sentence. > > > > " You can get out of here " ......the voice said.... " but you have to leave the > > little monkey inside " . > > > > toombaru > > > > Sorry it is not clear....Is your " no way " a desagreement to what bbb is > > saying? > > -geo- > > > no way! > > .b b.b. > Hey...........I'm gonna make that into a T-shirt. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 7, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > I think if we where to visit niz,. you, toomba and a few others here, > > > > would > > > > be sent away as " knowing to much and wanting to show off " . > > > > I would probably be barred at the stairs.. and Werner... he would be > > > > turned > > > > back home at the Bombay airport authority. > > > > > > > > > > the only One who ever could visit niz....is this imaginary bubble " geo " .... > > > > > > there is nobody else > > > > > > geo> True. > > > > > > .... > > > > > > " geo " remain alone with imaginary Master/Saint/God/Guru.....as long " geo " is > > > thinking/believing to be " geo " > > > > > > geo> I was raised in a non-religious atheist familly (big deal). So thee is > > > no imaginary Master/Saint/God/Guru > > > for me. But I would not mind meeting personalities like niz. I also like to > > > talk with a nieghbour down the street. > > > As for geo: it is a convenient name to call this organism. > > > > > > .... > > > > > > after " geo " would have gone.... > > > > > > there is this your " beauty " you are running after....for some reason.... > > > > > > geo> Ahhh...but this is pungenly true! Interesting that you raised this > > > issue right now. Just a few days ago > > > I was saying to myself: " I have never realized the truth of this fact so > > > clearly like right now " . > > > When you stand alone in the universe, after the first moments of > > > claustrophobia, one sees that the > > > absense of pleasures and fleeting happinessess is not such a big loss....and > > > the absense of the dream, > > > of the imaginary sufferings... is the purest beauty. Do you share this with > > > me? > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHO is there.....who could share the " purest beauty " ....?... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > in awe > he looked around > the new kingdom > and wanted to share > what he saw > then he realized that > they were > all inside > who he was > and there was > no one > but him > > > > toombaru > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 7, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > > I think if we where to visit niz,. you, toomba and a few others here, > > > would > > > be sent away as " knowing to much and wanting to show off " . > > > I would probably be barred at the stairs.. and Werner... he would be > > > turned > > > back home at the Bombay airport authority. > > > > > > > the only One who ever could visit niz....is this imaginary bubble > > " geo " .... > > > > there is nobody else > > > > geo> True. > > > > .... > > > > " geo " remain alone with imaginary Master/Saint/God/Guru.....as long " geo " > > is > > thinking/believing to be " geo " > > > > geo> I was raised in a non-religious atheist familly (big deal). So thee > > is > > no imaginary Master/Saint/God/Guru > > for me. But I would not mind meeting personalities like niz. I also like > > to > > talk with a nieghbour down the street. > > As for geo: it is a convenient name to call this organism. > > > > .... > > > > after " geo " would have gone.... > > > > there is this your " beauty " you are running after....for some reason.... > > > > geo> Ahhh...but this is pungenly true! Interesting that you raised this > > issue right now. Just a few days ago > > I was saying to myself: " I have never realized the truth of this fact so > > clearly like right now " . > > When you stand alone in the universe, after the first moments of > > claustrophobia, one sees that the > > absense of pleasures and fleeting happinessess is not such a big > > loss....and > > the absense of the dream, > > of the imaginary sufferings... is the purest beauty. Do you share this > > with > > me? > > > > > > WHO is there.....who could share the " purest beauty " ....?... > > Marc > > Purest beauty is? > -geo- > .....as i wrote recently... there are no descriptions & words about such beauty existing..... simply because it's impossible to explain and describe... WHO could give a description....?... Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 7, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > I think if we where to visit niz,. you, toomba and a few others here, > > > > would > > > > be sent away as " knowing to much and wanting to show off " . > > > > I would probably be barred at the stairs.. and Werner... he would be > > > > turned > > > > back home at the Bombay airport authority. > > > > > > > > > > the only One who ever could visit niz....is this imaginary bubble " geo " .... > > > > > > there is nobody else > > > > > > geo> True. > > > > > > .... > > > > > > " geo " remain alone with imaginary Master/Saint/God/Guru.....as long " geo " is > > > thinking/believing to be " geo " > > > > > > geo> I was raised in a non-religious atheist familly (big deal). So thee is > > > no imaginary Master/Saint/God/Guru > > > for me. But I would not mind meeting personalities like niz. I also like to > > > talk with a nieghbour down the street. > > > As for geo: it is a convenient name to call this organism. > > > > > > .... > > > > > > after " geo " would have gone.... > > > > > > there is this your " beauty " you are running after....for some reason.... > > > > > > geo> Ahhh...but this is pungenly true! Interesting that you raised this > > > issue right now. Just a few days ago > > > I was saying to myself: " I have never realized the truth of this fact so > > > clearly like right now " . > > > When you stand alone in the universe, after the first moments of > > > claustrophobia, one sees that the > > > absense of pleasures and fleeting happinessess is not such a big loss....and > > > the absense of the dream, > > > of the imaginary sufferings... is the purest beauty. Do you share this with > > > me? > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHO is there.....who could share the " purest beauty " ....?... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > in awe > he looked around > the new kingdom > and wanted to share > what he saw > then he realized that > they were > all inside > who he was > and there was > no one > but him > > > > toombaru this usually happens for me... not when i'm in awe.. but rather when i'm in a boat.. fishing. though this is usual for me.. " i " " myself " [:-)] am unusual. in fact.. i don't know what the " norm " even means. Hey! look at that fish.. fighting on my line.. in the lake.. in me. gee! i'm caught! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
