Guest guest Report post Posted May 4, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > your ego is all what is the world about. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the world is all what is your ego about. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> This is very interesting, weird, almost awesome... There is an > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > of this world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that is a direct result of the sense of inner separate entity. The > > > > > > > countries, wars, competition, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > family....ahh...and so much more! This whole thing is structured > > > > > > > around > > > > > > > self-protection. We > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would not recognize this world if it was populated by egoless > > > > > > > beings. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > think that is not possible - probably not. > > > > > > > > > > > > --you are thinking too much.... > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> Thought is indeed a misterious and ellusive stuff. When we least > > > > > > expect..voilá...we are already > > > > > > immersed in its claws. I am not different...but when I write about > > > > > > these > > > > > > matters, there is conscious > > > > > > effort to try to express keeping thought in its right place. > > > > > > > > > > ---thoughts are related to ego & world > > > > > > > > > > the more ego & world illusion is turning around in mind....the more > > > > > thoughts > > > > > are there > > > > > > > > > > when there is no more world....there are no more thoughts > > > > > > > > > > means, whenever there is no ego....there is no world and also no thought > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some egos need to read/hear/write about wars and other worldly > > > > > > illusions.... > > > > > > they can't be satisfied when there is nothing to hear & read about > > > > > > wars.....again and again..... > > > > > > their mind Are this little imaginary wars....and sufferings....etc > > > > > > > > > > > > when ego become less strong..... > > > > > > means, when the attachments to the illusory ego & world idea become less > > > > > > strong.....then slowly ...all this stories about wars and other > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > non-sense is of no more interest.... > > > > > > > > > > > > the world slowly disappear....in a sense of an outside & seperated story > > > > > > to > > > > > > illusory ego.... > > > > > > > > > > > > until the complete disappearence of appearances.... > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> Is it so? Personally, with geo here, whenever there are any ideas > > > > > > of > > > > > > graduality, of slowly emerging through > > > > > > the boundaries of time, taking time to transcend time...I knock my > > > > > > head > > > > > > with > > > > > > some hard object, a rock, a peace > > > > > > of metal bar, a concrete stone...until it bleeds - to remind me that I > > > > > > am > > > > > > sleeping. > > > > > > === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---yes, as i see....look like the world is not only about > > > > > ego & thoughts.....but also about madness..... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > But Marc, consider... Is it possible to transcend time taking time? > > > > > Is it possible to gradually grow consciousness until it transcends > > > > > space? > > > > > Is it possible to slowly apreciate/cultivate beauty more and more until > > > > > beauty itself is naked and true? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > Geo, > > > > > > > > You still have not grasped anything I told you about consciousness. > > > > > > > > Why is that ? I think it is because you are unable to give up your old > > > > ideas > > > > about it. > > > > > > > > Again: > > > > Such a thing as consciousness does not exist. There is no part in the > > > > brain > > > > where consciousness is sitting. > > > > > > > > But: > > > > There is a network of neuron cells which constiute memory. When a memory > > > > cell is active and firing then this firing is experienced as > > > > consciousness. > > > > When it is inactive and not firing then it is just memory. > > > > > > > > Do you understand ? Consciousness is memory. > > > > > > > > There is no " growing " consciousnes, there is no transcending consciousness > > > > time and space. Thats all romantic rubbish. > > > > > > > > There is just memory, more or less active. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > Werner my friend!!! How are you today? Is it morning or afternoon there? > > > > Did > > > > you have toasts and tea or coffe? > > > > I feel time and space are mind consctructs. Time is a measure of change in > > > > matter/energy. > > > > One can grow consciousness in the sense of astral trips and > > > > extra-sensorial > > > > stuff, but it is just > > > > a small change when compared to the quantum leap of insight into unlimited > > > > freedom. > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > Ha ! > > > > > > What a firework of big mouth bubbles, Geo - very impressive > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > Geo-Dragon-Like laying in his back bursting flashes of colored fire cracks > > > with a dark blue sky as background... > > > > > > > > > > geo.. > > > > you still have not grasped anything i told you about werner. > > > > why is that? > > > > i think it is because you are unable to give up your old > > > > ideas about him. > > > > it is big time nitwit you sit wit. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > A cluster of ideas is sitting here in California........thinking about a cluster of ideas.......having a cluster of ideas.....about a cluster of ideas........ > > > It's like that. > > > > > toombaru oh you big gossip! ..b b.b. 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Guest guest Report post Posted May 4, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Monday, May 04, 2009 2:19 PM > Re: where there is... > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > your ego is all what is the world about. > > > > > > > > > > > > the world is all what is your ego about. > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> This is very interesting, weird, almost awesome... There is > > > > > > an > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > of this world > > > > > > > > > > > > that is a direct result of the sense of inner separate entity. The > > > > > > countries, wars, competition, > > > > > > > > > > > > family....ahh...and so much more! This whole thing is structured > > > > > > around > > > > > > self-protection. We > > > > > > > > > > > > would not recognize this world if it was populated by egoless > > > > > > beings. > > > > > > I > > > > > > think that is not possible - probably not. > > > > > > > > > > --you are thinking too much.... > > > > > > > > > > geo> Thought is indeed a misterious and ellusive stuff. When we > > > > > least > > > > > expect..voilá...we are already > > > > > immersed in its claws. I am not different...but when I write about > > > > > these > > > > > matters, there is conscious > > > > > effort to try to express keeping thought in its right place. > > > > > > > > ---thoughts are related to ego & world > > > > > > > > the more ego & world illusion is turning around in mind....the more > > > > thoughts > > > > are there > > > > > > > > when there is no more world....there are no more thoughts > > > > > > > > means, whenever there is no ego....there is no world and also no > > > > thought > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some egos need to read/hear/write about wars and other worldly > > > > > illusions.... > > > > > they can't be satisfied when there is nothing to hear & read about > > > > > wars.....again and again..... > > > > > their mind Are this little imaginary wars....and sufferings....etc > > > > > > > > > > when ego become less strong..... > > > > > means, when the attachments to the illusory ego & world idea become > > > > > less > > > > > strong.....then slowly ...all this stories about wars and other > > > > > worldly > > > > > non-sense is of no more interest.... > > > > > > > > > > the world slowly disappear....in a sense of an outside & seperated > > > > > story > > > > > to > > > > > illusory ego.... > > > > > > > > > > until the complete disappearence of appearances.... > > > > > > > > > > geo> Is it so? Personally, with geo here, whenever there are any > > > > > ideas > > > > > of > > > > > graduality, of slowly emerging through > > > > > the boundaries of time, taking time to transcend time...I knock my > > > > > head > > > > > with > > > > > some hard object, a rock, a peace > > > > > of metal bar, a concrete stone...until it bleeds - to remind me that > > > > > I > > > > > am > > > > > sleeping. > > > > > === > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---yes, as i see....look like the world is not only about > > > > ego & thoughts.....but also about madness..... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > But Marc, consider... Is it possible to transcend time taking time? > > > > Is it possible to gradually grow consciousness until it transcends > > > > space? > > > > Is it possible to slowly apreciate/cultivate beauty more and more > > > > until > > > > beauty itself is naked and true? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > Geo, > > > > > > You still have not grasped anything I told you about consciousness. > > > > > > Why is that ? I think it is because you are unable to give up your old > > > ideas > > > about it. > > > > > > Again: > > > Such a thing as consciousness does not exist. There is no part in the > > > brain > > > where consciousness is sitting. > > > > > > But: > > > There is a network of neuron cells which constiute memory. When a memory > > > cell is active and firing then this firing is experienced as > > > consciousness. > > > When it is inactive and not firing then it is just memory. > > > > > > Do you understand ? Consciousness is memory. > > > > > > There is no " growing " consciousnes, there is no transcending > > > consciousness > > > time and space. Thats all romantic rubbish. > > > > > > There is just memory, more or less active. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > Werner my friend!!! How are you today? Is it morning or afternoon there? > > > Did > > > you have toasts and tea or coffe? > > > I feel time and space are mind consctructs. Time is a measure of change > > > in > > > matter/energy. > > > One can grow consciousness in the sense of astral trips and > > > extra-sensorial > > > stuff, but it is just > > > a small change when compared to the quantum leap of insight into > > > unlimited > > > freedom. > > > > > > rgds > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > Ha ! > > > > What a firework of big mouth bubbles, Geo - very impressive > > > > Werner > > > > Geo-Dragon-Like laying in his back bursting flashes of colored fire cracks > > with a dark blue sky as background... > > geo.. > > you still have not grasped anything i told you about werner. > > why is that? > > i think it is because you are unable to give up your old > > ideas about him. > > it is big time nitwit you sit wit. > > .b b.b. > > Shut up bbb. My converstaion with Werner is not for avarage leveled people > like you. there is no one like me. and.. fuck you i won't shut up. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 4, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > > If there is an open question, a ridddle, or whatever has occupied your brain, Geo, you must solve it yourself. And that will help you to grow. Be brave. I am convinced you will succeed. > > > > Werner > > > > > > The only problem is.....if he solves the ridddle.......there will be nobody left to know it. > > > > :-0 > > > > toombaru here's a riddle: when is " riddle " speledd " ridddle " ? think think think! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 4, 2009 > > > > > > your ego is all what is the world about. > > > > > > > > > > > > the world is all what is your ego about. > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> This is very interesting, weird, almost awesome... There is > > > > > > an > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > of this world > > > > > > > > > > > > that is a direct result of the sense of inner separate entity. > > > > > > The > > > > > > countries, wars, competition, > > > > > > > > > > > > family....ahh...and so much more! This whole thing is structured > > > > > > around > > > > > > self-protection. We > > > > > > > > > > > > would not recognize this world if it was populated by egoless > > > > > > beings. > > > > > > I > > > > > > think that is not possible - probably not. > > > > > > > > > > --you are thinking too much.... > > > > > > > > > > geo> Thought is indeed a misterious and ellusive stuff. When we > > > > > least > > > > > expect..voilá...we are already > > > > > immersed in its claws. I am not different...but when I write about > > > > > these > > > > > matters, there is conscious > > > > > effort to try to express keeping thought in its right place. > > > > > > > > ---thoughts are related to ego & world > > > > > > > > the more ego & world illusion is turning around in mind....the more > > > > thoughts > > > > are there > > > > > > > > when there is no more world....there are no more thoughts > > > > > > > > means, whenever there is no ego....there is no world and also no > > > > thought > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some egos need to read/hear/write about wars and other worldly > > > > > illusions.... > > > > > they can't be satisfied when there is nothing to hear & read about > > > > > wars.....again and again..... > > > > > their mind Are this little imaginary wars....and sufferings....etc > > > > > > > > > > when ego become less strong..... > > > > > means, when the attachments to the illusory ego & world idea become > > > > > less > > > > > strong.....then slowly ...all this stories about wars and other > > > > > worldly > > > > > non-sense is of no more interest.... > > > > > > > > > > the world slowly disappear....in a sense of an outside & seperated > > > > > story > > > > > to > > > > > illusory ego.... > > > > > > > > > > until the complete disappearence of appearances.... > > > > > > > > > > geo> Is it so? Personally, with geo here, whenever there are any > > > > > ideas > > > > > of > > > > > graduality, of slowly emerging through > > > > > the boundaries of time, taking time to transcend time...I knock my > > > > > head > > > > > with > > > > > some hard object, a rock, a peace > > > > > of metal bar, a concrete stone...until it bleeds - to remind me > > > > > that > > > > > I > > > > > am > > > > > sleeping. > > > > > === > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---yes, as i see....look like the world is not only about > > > > ego & thoughts.....but also about madness..... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > But Marc, consider... Is it possible to transcend time taking time? > > > > Is it possible to gradually grow consciousness until it transcends > > > > space? > > > > Is it possible to slowly apreciate/cultivate beauty more and more > > > > until > > > > beauty itself is naked and true? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > Geo, > > > > > > You still have not grasped anything I told you about consciousness. > > > > > > Why is that ? I think it is because you are unable to give up your old > > > ideas > > > about it. > > > > > > Again: > > > Such a thing as consciousness does not exist. There is no part in the > > > brain > > > where consciousness is sitting. > > > > > > But: > > > There is a network of neuron cells which constiute memory. When a > > > memory > > > cell is active and firing then this firing is experienced as > > > consciousness. > > > When it is inactive and not firing then it is just memory. > > > > > > Do you understand ? Consciousness is memory. > > > > > > There is no " growing " consciousnes, there is no transcending > > > consciousness > > > time and space. Thats all romantic rubbish. > > > > > > There is just memory, more or less active. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > Werner my friend!!! How are you today? Is it morning or afternoon > > > there? > > > Did > > > you have toasts and tea or coffe? > > > I feel time and space are mind consctructs. Time is a measure of > > > change > > > in > > > matter/energy. > > > One can grow consciousness in the sense of astral trips and > > > extra-sensorial > > > stuff, but it is just > > > a small change when compared to the quantum leap of insight into > > > unlimited > > > freedom. > > > > > > rgds > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > Ha ! > > > > What a firework of big mouth bubbles, Geo - very impressive > > > > Werner > > > > Geo-Dragon-Like laying in his back bursting flashes of colored fire > > cracks > > with a dark blue sky as background... > > geo.. > > you still have not grasped anything i told you about werner. > > why is that? > > i think it is because you are unable to give up your old > > ideas about him. > > it is big time nitwit you sit wit. > > .b b.b. > > Werner, once you told me not to gossip.I agreed. Now...I think it would > not > be fair if you let > bbb do it. Why this discrimination? Just because you met him before? > -geo- > If there is an open question, a ridddle, or whatever has occupied your brain, Geo, you must solve it yourself. And that will help you to grow. Be brave. I am convinced you will succeed. Werner Thanks. All the best for you too. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 4, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > > > > your ego is all what is the world about. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the world is all what is your ego about. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> This is very interesting, weird, almost awesome... There is > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > of this world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that is a direct result of the sense of inner separate entity. > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > countries, wars, competition, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > family....ahh...and so much more! This whole thing is structured > > > > > > > around > > > > > > > self-protection. We > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would not recognize this world if it was populated by egoless > > > > > > > beings. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > think that is not possible - probably not. > > > > > > > > > > > > --you are thinking too much.... > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> Thought is indeed a misterious and ellusive stuff. When we > > > > > > least > > > > > > expect..voilá...we are already > > > > > > immersed in its claws. I am not different...but when I write about > > > > > > these > > > > > > matters, there is conscious > > > > > > effort to try to express keeping thought in its right place. > > > > > > > > > > ---thoughts are related to ego & world > > > > > > > > > > the more ego & world illusion is turning around in mind....the more > > > > > thoughts > > > > > are there > > > > > > > > > > when there is no more world....there are no more thoughts > > > > > > > > > > means, whenever there is no ego....there is no world and also no > > > > > thought > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some egos need to read/hear/write about wars and other worldly > > > > > > illusions.... > > > > > > they can't be satisfied when there is nothing to hear & read about > > > > > > wars.....again and again..... > > > > > > their mind Are this little imaginary wars....and sufferings....etc > > > > > > > > > > > > when ego become less strong..... > > > > > > means, when the attachments to the illusory ego & world idea become > > > > > > less > > > > > > strong.....then slowly ...all this stories about wars and other > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > non-sense is of no more interest.... > > > > > > > > > > > > the world slowly disappear....in a sense of an outside & seperated > > > > > > story > > > > > > to > > > > > > illusory ego.... > > > > > > > > > > > > until the complete disappearence of appearances.... > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> Is it so? Personally, with geo here, whenever there are any > > > > > > ideas > > > > > > of > > > > > > graduality, of slowly emerging through > > > > > > the boundaries of time, taking time to transcend time...I knock my > > > > > > head > > > > > > with > > > > > > some hard object, a rock, a peace > > > > > > of metal bar, a concrete stone...until it bleeds - to remind me > > > > > > that > > > > > > I > > > > > > am > > > > > > sleeping. > > > > > > === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---yes, as i see....look like the world is not only about > > > > > ego & thoughts.....but also about madness..... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > But Marc, consider... Is it possible to transcend time taking time? > > > > > Is it possible to gradually grow consciousness until it transcends > > > > > space? > > > > > Is it possible to slowly apreciate/cultivate beauty more and more > > > > > until > > > > > beauty itself is naked and true? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > Geo, > > > > > > > > You still have not grasped anything I told you about consciousness. > > > > > > > > Why is that ? I think it is because you are unable to give up your old > > > > ideas > > > > about it. > > > > > > > > Again: > > > > Such a thing as consciousness does not exist. There is no part in the > > > > brain > > > > where consciousness is sitting. > > > > > > > > But: > > > > There is a network of neuron cells which constiute memory. When a > > > > memory > > > > cell is active and firing then this firing is experienced as > > > > consciousness. > > > > When it is inactive and not firing then it is just memory. > > > > > > > > Do you understand ? Consciousness is memory. > > > > > > > > There is no " growing " consciousnes, there is no transcending > > > > consciousness > > > > time and space. Thats all romantic rubbish. > > > > > > > > There is just memory, more or less active. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > Werner my friend!!! How are you today? Is it morning or afternoon > > > > there? > > > > Did > > > > you have toasts and tea or coffe? > > > > I feel time and space are mind consctructs. Time is a measure of > > > > change > > > > in > > > > matter/energy. > > > > One can grow consciousness in the sense of astral trips and > > > > extra-sensorial > > > > stuff, but it is just > > > > a small change when compared to the quantum leap of insight into > > > > unlimited > > > > freedom. > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > Ha ! > > > > > > What a firework of big mouth bubbles, Geo - very impressive > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > Geo-Dragon-Like laying in his back bursting flashes of colored fire > > > cracks > > > with a dark blue sky as background... > > > > geo.. > > > > you still have not grasped anything i told you about werner. > > > > why is that? > > > > i think it is because you are unable to give up your old > > > > ideas about him. > > > > it is big time nitwit you sit wit. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Werner, once you told me not to gossip.I agreed. Now...I think it would > > not > > be fair if you let > > bbb do it. Why this discrimination? Just because you met him before? > > -geo- > > > > If there is an open question, a ridddle, or whatever has occupied your > brain, Geo, you must solve it yourself. And that will help you to grow. Be > brave. I am convinced you will succeed. > > Werner > > Thanks. All the best for you too. > -geo- > My wish for you is.......self destruction. :-0 toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 4, 2009 - roberibus111 Nisargadatta Monday, May 04, 2009 5:46 PM Re: where there is... Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Monday, May 04, 2009 2:19 PM > Re: where there is... > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > your ego is all what is the world about. > > > > > > > > > > > > the world is all what is your ego about. > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> This is very interesting, weird, almost awesome... There is > > > > > > an > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > of this world > > > > > > > > > > > > that is a direct result of the sense of inner separate entity. > > > > > > The > > > > > > countries, wars, competition, > > > > > > > > > > > > family....ahh...and so much more! This whole thing is structured > > > > > > around > > > > > > self-protection. We > > > > > > > > > > > > would not recognize this world if it was populated by egoless > > > > > > beings. > > > > > > I > > > > > > think that is not possible - probably not. > > > > > > > > > > --you are thinking too much.... > > > > > > > > > > geo> Thought is indeed a misterious and ellusive stuff. When we > > > > > least > > > > > expect..voilá...we are already > > > > > immersed in its claws. I am not different...but when I write about > > > > > these > > > > > matters, there is conscious > > > > > effort to try to express keeping thought in its right place. > > > > > > > > ---thoughts are related to ego & world > > > > > > > > the more ego & world illusion is turning around in mind....the more > > > > thoughts > > > > are there > > > > > > > > when there is no more world....there are no more thoughts > > > > > > > > means, whenever there is no ego....there is no world and also no > > > > thought > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some egos need to read/hear/write about wars and other worldly > > > > > illusions.... > > > > > they can't be satisfied when there is nothing to hear & read about > > > > > wars.....again and again..... > > > > > their mind Are this little imaginary wars....and sufferings....etc > > > > > > > > > > when ego become less strong..... > > > > > means, when the attachments to the illusory ego & world idea become > > > > > less > > > > > strong.....then slowly ...all this stories about wars and other > > > > > worldly > > > > > non-sense is of no more interest.... > > > > > > > > > > the world slowly disappear....in a sense of an outside & seperated > > > > > story > > > > > to > > > > > illusory ego.... > > > > > > > > > > until the complete disappearence of appearances.... > > > > > > > > > > geo> Is it so? Personally, with geo here, whenever there are any > > > > > ideas > > > > > of > > > > > graduality, of slowly emerging through > > > > > the boundaries of time, taking time to transcend time...I knock my > > > > > head > > > > > with > > > > > some hard object, a rock, a peace > > > > > of metal bar, a concrete stone...until it bleeds - to remind me > > > > > that > > > > > I > > > > > am > > > > > sleeping. > > > > > === > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---yes, as i see....look like the world is not only about > > > > ego & thoughts.....but also about madness..... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > But Marc, consider... Is it possible to transcend time taking time? > > > > Is it possible to gradually grow consciousness until it transcends > > > > space? > > > > Is it possible to slowly apreciate/cultivate beauty more and more > > > > until > > > > beauty itself is naked and true? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > Geo, > > > > > > You still have not grasped anything I told you about consciousness. > > > > > > Why is that ? I think it is because you are unable to give up your old > > > ideas > > > about it. > > > > > > Again: > > > Such a thing as consciousness does not exist. There is no part in the > > > brain > > > where consciousness is sitting. > > > > > > But: > > > There is a network of neuron cells which constiute memory. When a > > > memory > > > cell is active and firing then this firing is experienced as > > > consciousness. > > > When it is inactive and not firing then it is just memory. > > > > > > Do you understand ? Consciousness is memory. > > > > > > There is no " growing " consciousnes, there is no transcending > > > consciousness > > > time and space. Thats all romantic rubbish. > > > > > > There is just memory, more or less active. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > Werner my friend!!! How are you today? Is it morning or afternoon > > > there? > > > Did > > > you have toasts and tea or coffe? > > > I feel time and space are mind consctructs. Time is a measure of > > > change > > > in > > > matter/energy. > > > One can grow consciousness in the sense of astral trips and > > > extra-sensorial > > > stuff, but it is just > > > a small change when compared to the quantum leap of insight into > > > unlimited > > > freedom. > > > > > > rgds > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > Ha ! > > > > What a firework of big mouth bubbles, Geo - very impressive > > > > Werner > > > > Geo-Dragon-Like laying in his back bursting flashes of colored fire > > cracks > > with a dark blue sky as background... > > geo.. > > you still have not grasped anything i told you about werner. > > why is that? > > i think it is because you are unable to give up your old > > ideas about him. > > it is big time nitwit you sit wit. > > .b b.b. > > Shut up bbb. My converstaion with Werner is not for avarage leveled people > like you. there is no one like me. and.. fuck you i won't shut up. LOL! ..b b.b. I think if we where to visit niz,. you, toomba and a few others here, would be sent away as " knowing to much and wanting to show off " . I would probably be barred at the stairs.. and Werner... he would be turned back home at the Bombay airport authority. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 4, 2009 - roberibus111 Nisargadatta Monday, May 04, 2009 5:47 PM Re: where there is... Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > > If there is an open question, a ridddle, or whatever has occupied your > > brain, Geo, you must solve it yourself. And that will help you to grow. > > Be brave. I am convinced you will succeed. > > > > Werner > > > > > > The only problem is.....if he solves the ridddle.......there will be > nobody left to know it. > > > > :-0 > > > > toombaru here's a riddle: when is " riddle " speledd " ridddle " ? think think think! ..b b.b. When the third d is gay and jelous of the other two -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Monday, May 04, 2009 5:46 PM > Re: where there is... > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > roberibus111 > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, May 04, 2009 2:19 PM > > Re: where there is... > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > your ego is all what is the world about. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the world is all what is your ego about. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> This is very interesting, weird, almost awesome... There is > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > of this world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that is a direct result of the sense of inner separate entity. > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > countries, wars, competition, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > family....ahh...and so much more! This whole thing is structured > > > > > > > around > > > > > > > self-protection. We > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would not recognize this world if it was populated by egoless > > > > > > > beings. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > think that is not possible - probably not. > > > > > > > > > > > > --you are thinking too much.... > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> Thought is indeed a misterious and ellusive stuff. When we > > > > > > least > > > > > > expect..voilá...we are already > > > > > > immersed in its claws. I am not different...but when I write about > > > > > > these > > > > > > matters, there is conscious > > > > > > effort to try to express keeping thought in its right place. > > > > > > > > > > ---thoughts are related to ego & world > > > > > > > > > > the more ego & world illusion is turning around in mind....the more > > > > > thoughts > > > > > are there > > > > > > > > > > when there is no more world....there are no more thoughts > > > > > > > > > > means, whenever there is no ego....there is no world and also no > > > > > thought > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some egos need to read/hear/write about wars and other worldly > > > > > > illusions.... > > > > > > they can't be satisfied when there is nothing to hear & read about > > > > > > wars.....again and again..... > > > > > > their mind Are this little imaginary wars....and sufferings....etc > > > > > > > > > > > > when ego become less strong..... > > > > > > means, when the attachments to the illusory ego & world idea become > > > > > > less > > > > > > strong.....then slowly ...all this stories about wars and other > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > non-sense is of no more interest.... > > > > > > > > > > > > the world slowly disappear....in a sense of an outside & seperated > > > > > > story > > > > > > to > > > > > > illusory ego.... > > > > > > > > > > > > until the complete disappearence of appearances.... > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> Is it so? Personally, with geo here, whenever there are any > > > > > > ideas > > > > > > of > > > > > > graduality, of slowly emerging through > > > > > > the boundaries of time, taking time to transcend time...I knock my > > > > > > head > > > > > > with > > > > > > some hard object, a rock, a peace > > > > > > of metal bar, a concrete stone...until it bleeds - to remind me > > > > > > that > > > > > > I > > > > > > am > > > > > > sleeping. > > > > > > === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---yes, as i see....look like the world is not only about > > > > > ego & thoughts.....but also about madness..... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > But Marc, consider... Is it possible to transcend time taking time? > > > > > Is it possible to gradually grow consciousness until it transcends > > > > > space? > > > > > Is it possible to slowly apreciate/cultivate beauty more and more > > > > > until > > > > > beauty itself is naked and true? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > Geo, > > > > > > > > You still have not grasped anything I told you about consciousness. > > > > > > > > Why is that ? I think it is because you are unable to give up your old > > > > ideas > > > > about it. > > > > > > > > Again: > > > > Such a thing as consciousness does not exist. There is no part in the > > > > brain > > > > where consciousness is sitting. > > > > > > > > But: > > > > There is a network of neuron cells which constiute memory. When a > > > > memory > > > > cell is active and firing then this firing is experienced as > > > > consciousness. > > > > When it is inactive and not firing then it is just memory. > > > > > > > > Do you understand ? Consciousness is memory. > > > > > > > > There is no " growing " consciousnes, there is no transcending > > > > consciousness > > > > time and space. Thats all romantic rubbish. > > > > > > > > There is just memory, more or less active. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > Werner my friend!!! How are you today? Is it morning or afternoon > > > > there? > > > > Did > > > > you have toasts and tea or coffe? > > > > I feel time and space are mind consctructs. Time is a measure of > > > > change > > > > in > > > > matter/energy. > > > > One can grow consciousness in the sense of astral trips and > > > > extra-sensorial > > > > stuff, but it is just > > > > a small change when compared to the quantum leap of insight into > > > > unlimited > > > > freedom. > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > Ha ! > > > > > > What a firework of big mouth bubbles, Geo - very impressive > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > Geo-Dragon-Like laying in his back bursting flashes of colored fire > > > cracks > > > with a dark blue sky as background... > > > > geo.. > > > > you still have not grasped anything i told you about werner. > > > > why is that? > > > > i think it is because you are unable to give up your old > > > > ideas about him. > > > > it is big time nitwit you sit wit. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Shut up bbb. My converstaion with Werner is not for avarage leveled people > > like you. > > there is no one like me. > > and.. > > fuck you i won't shut up. > > LOL! > > .b b.b. > > I think if we where to visit niz,. you, toomba and a few others here, would > be sent away as " knowing to much and wanting to show off " . > I would probably be barred at the stairs.. and Werner... he would be turned > back home at the Bombay airport authority. there is no one like me. and.. fuck you i won't shut up. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > G: I think if we where to visit niz,. you, toomba and a few others here, would > be sent away as " knowing to much and wanting to show off " . > I would probably be barred at the stairs.. and Werner... he would be turned > back home at the Bombay airport authority. P: I made it in, but didn't last too long. Read about my visit here: enlightenedfiction/message/64 > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 5, 2009 > G: I think if we where to visit niz,. you, toomba and a few others here, > would > be sent away as " knowing to much and wanting to show off " . > I would probably be barred at the stairs.. and Werner... he would be > turned > back home at the Bombay airport authority. P: I made it in, but didn't last too long. Read about my visit here: enlightenedfiction/message/64 Lovely little story Pete.... I really enjoyed it!! I'd like to talk about something in there...sometime later. Does any other member in this forum met Niz.? Could you say a few words about it? -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > G: I think if we where to visit niz,. you, toomba and a few others here, > > would > > be sent away as " knowing to much and wanting to show off " . > > I would probably be barred at the stairs.. and Werner... he would be > > turned > > back home at the Bombay airport authority. > > P: I made it in, but didn't last too long. Read > about my visit here: > > enlightenedfiction/message/64 > > Lovely little story Pete.... I really enjoyed it!! I'd like to talk about > something in there...sometime later. > > Does any other member in this forum met Niz.? Could you say a few words > about it? > > > > -geo- > It seems, Geo, that this 'lovely' little story Pete invented made you greedy to meet and atain the " real thing " . But before you get to enthusiastic serioiusly ponder the following without drifting off into romantic day-dreams about self-realization or similar crap you have read and you brain got burdened with. 1) Is there really an entity called " dreamer " which is dreaming and could wake up ? 2) Is there really a " dream character " which is dreaming of waking up ? 3) Is there really something like a " dream " one could " wake up " from ? Please see that the word dream also implies a wakeful state. Is there such a state ? Or is that 'lovely' story from Pete just a bunch of ideas and concepts about dreams, awakening and wakefulness which in reality have no real and serious base ? Werner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > G: I think if we where to visit niz,. you, toomba and a few others here, > > would > > be sent away as " knowing to much and wanting to show off " . > > I would probably be barred at the stairs.. and Werner... he would be > > turned > > back home at the Bombay airport authority. > > P: I made it in, but didn't last too long. Read > about my visit here: > > enlightenedfiction/message/64 > > Lovely little story Pete.... I really enjoyed it!! I'd like to talk about > something in there...sometime later. > > Does any other member in this forum met Niz.? Could you say a few words > about it? P: Sure I could say, when you look with the hope of finding what you want, you are prone to fool yourself. If you had read carefully you would have noticed that the name of the site is Enlightened Fiction. Fiction being the controlling word. All stories there are fictional. I never met Niz in the flesh. There was a member here who met Niz, I don't know if he is still around. Only Hur knows if he still a member. There are some posts in the archive about his visit to Mumbay. > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > G: I think if we where to visit niz,. you, toomba and a few others here, > > > would > > > be sent away as " knowing to much and wanting to show off " . > > > I would probably be barred at the stairs.. and Werner... he would be > > > turned > > > back home at the Bombay airport authority. > > > > P: I made it in, but didn't last too long. Read > > about my visit here: > > > > enlightenedfiction/message/64 > > > > Lovely little story Pete.... I really enjoyed it!! I'd like to talk about > > something in there...sometime later. > > > > Does any other member in this forum met Niz.? Could you say a few words > > about it? > > > > > > > > -geo- > > It seems, Geo, that this 'lovely' little story Pete invented made you greedy to meet and atain the " real thing " . > > But before you get to enthusiastic serioiusly ponder the following without drifting off into romantic day-dreams about self-realization or similar crap you have read and you brain got burdened with. > > 1) Is there really an entity called " dreamer " which is dreaming and could wake up ? > > 2) Is there really a " dream character " which is dreaming of waking up ? > > 3) Is there really something like a " dream " one could " wake up " from ? > > Please see that the word dream also implies a wakeful state. Is there such a state ? > > Or is that 'lovely' story from Pete just a bunch of ideas and concepts about dreams, awakening and wakefulness which in reality have no real and serious base ? > > Werner ask yourself: 1.) is there really such a dumb asshole as werner? 2.) is there really anyone who gives a shit? 3.) is there anyone who can wake him up? 4.) is there anyone who gives a shit? 5.) does the screwed up wernie(who isn't) believe his own bullshit? 6.) is there really anyone who gives a shit? i do but that's all that i'd give to him. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > G: I think if we where to visit niz,. you, toomba and a few others here, > > > would > > > be sent away as " knowing to much and wanting to show off " . > > > I would probably be barred at the stairs.. and Werner... he would be > > > turned > > > back home at the Bombay airport authority. > > > > P: I made it in, but didn't last too long. Read > > about my visit here: > > > > enlightenedfiction/message/64 > > > > Lovely little story Pete.... I really enjoyed it!! I'd like to talk about > > something in there...sometime later. > > > > Does any other member in this forum met Niz.? Could you say a few words > > about it? > > P: Sure I could say, when you look with the hope of > finding what you want, you are prone to > fool yourself. If you had read carefully > you would have noticed that the name of > the site is Enlightened Fiction. Fiction > being the controlling word. All stories > there are fictional. > > I never met Niz in the flesh. There was > a member here who met Niz, I don't know > if he is still around. Only Hur knows > if he still a member. There are some posts > in the archive about his visit to Mumbay. where on earth is Mumbay? ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 5, 2009 > > G: I think if we where to visit niz,. you, toomba and a few others here, > > would > > be sent away as " knowing to much and wanting to show off " . > > I would probably be barred at the stairs.. and Werner... he would be > > turned > > back home at the Bombay airport authority. > > P: I made it in, but didn't last too long. Read > about my visit here: > > enlightenedfiction/message/64 > > Lovely little story Pete.... I really enjoyed it!! I'd like to talk about > something in there...sometime later. > > Does any other member in this forum met Niz.? Could you say a few words > about it? P: Sure I could say, when you look with the hope of finding what you want, you are prone to fool yourself. If you had read carefully you would have noticed that the name of the site is Enlightened Fiction. Fiction being the controlling word. All stories there are fictional. I never met Niz in the flesh. There was a member here who met Niz, I don't know if he is still around. Only Hur knows if he still a member. There are some posts in the archive about his visit to Mumbay. geo>Do you feel there is something wrong with me enjoying your story anyway? Something in there made me have a profound insight into an issue I have been thinking about. It is your gift to me. So thank you. It is in this part of the dialogue with your niz.: === " You are dreaming that you are awake, the dream still goes on. " " But wait, you are fully awake and you still teach. " " I exist and teach only in your dream. " " So, when will the dream end? " " The day the body dies. " === In fact we are having a dream within a dream. The outer dream is based on the dynamics issuing from an imagined inner center. You can wake up from that. Now there is no more center. No-thing is everything. But the world is still here!!! Streets, pubs, bands, waves....everything is still here in a ... more vibrant world. Is this world still a dream? Is it in the same way the one with the centered observer? Must the body die to wake up from this one? What would your niz say about it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 5, 2009 > > > G: I think if we where to visit niz,. you, toomba and a few others > > > here, > > > would > > > be sent away as " knowing to much and wanting to show off " . > > > I would probably be barred at the stairs.. and Werner... he would be > > > turned > > > back home at the Bombay airport authority. > > > > P: I made it in, but didn't last too long. Read > > about my visit here: > > > > enlightenedfiction/message/64 > > > > Lovely little story Pete.... I really enjoyed it!! I'd like to talk > > about > > something in there...sometime later. > > > > Does any other member in this forum met Niz.? Could you say a few words > > about it? > > > > > > > > -geo- > > It seems, Geo, that this 'lovely' little story Pete invented made you > greedy to meet and atain the " real thing " . > > But before you get to enthusiastic serioiusly ponder the following without > drifting off into romantic day-dreams about self-realization or similar > crap you have read and you brain got burdened with. > > 1) Is there really an entity called " dreamer " which is dreaming and could > wake up ? > > 2) Is there really a " dream character " which is dreaming of waking up ? > > 3) Is there really something like a " dream " one could " wake up " from ? > > Please see that the word dream also implies a wakeful state. Is there such > a state ? > > Or is that 'lovely' story from Pete just a bunch of ideas and concepts > about dreams, awakening and wakefulness which in reality have no real and > serious base ? > > Werner ask yourself: 1.) is there really such a dumb asshole as werner? 2.) is there really anyone who gives a shit? 3.) is there anyone who can wake him up? 4.) is there anyone who gives a shit? 5.) does the screwed up wernie(who isn't) believe his own bullshit? 6.) is there really anyone who gives a shit? i do but that's all that i'd give to him. LOL! ..b b.b. I think I am beguining to see the light -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > G: I think if we where to visit niz,. you, toomba and a few others here, > > > > would > > > > be sent away as " knowing to much and wanting to show off " . > > > > I would probably be barred at the stairs.. and Werner... he would be > > > > turned > > > > back home at the Bombay airport authority. > > > > > > P: I made it in, but didn't last too long. Read > > > about my visit here: > > > > > > enlightenedfiction/message/64 > > > > > > Lovely little story Pete.... I really enjoyed it!! I'd like to talk about > > > something in there...sometime later. > > > > > > Does any other member in this forum met Niz.? Could you say a few words > > > about it? > > > > P: Sure I could say, when you look with the hope of > > finding what you want, you are prone to > > fool yourself. If you had read carefully > > you would have noticed that the name of > > the site is Enlightened Fiction. Fiction > > being the controlling word. All stories > > there are fictional. > > > > I never met Niz in the flesh. There was > > a member here who met Niz, I don't know > > if he is still around. Only Hur knows > > if he still a member. There are some posts > > in the archive about his visit to Mumbay. > > > > where on earth is Mumbay? > > .b b.b. > It is the polar opposite of Huston Texas. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > G: I think if we where to visit niz,. you, toomba and a few others here, > > > > would > > > > be sent away as " knowing to much and wanting to show off " . > > > > I would probably be barred at the stairs.. and Werner... he would be > > > > turned > > > > back home at the Bombay airport authority. > > > > > > P: I made it in, but didn't last too long. Read > > > about my visit here: > > > > > > enlightenedfiction/message/64 > > > > > > Lovely little story Pete.... I really enjoyed it!! I'd like to talk about > > > something in there...sometime later. > > > > > > Does any other member in this forum met Niz.? Could you say a few words > > > about it? > > > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > It seems, Geo, that this 'lovely' little story Pete invented made you greedy to meet and atain the " real thing " . > > > > But before you get to enthusiastic serioiusly ponder the following without drifting off into romantic day-dreams about self-realization or similar crap you have read and you brain got burdened with. > > > > 1) Is there really an entity called " dreamer " which is dreaming and could wake up ? > > > > 2) Is there really a " dream character " which is dreaming of waking up ? > > > > 3) Is there really something like a " dream " one could " wake up " from ? > > > > Please see that the word dream also implies a wakeful state. Is there such a state ? > > > > Or is that 'lovely' story from Pete just a bunch of ideas and concepts about dreams, awakening and wakefulness which in reality have no real and serious base ? > > > > Werner > > > ask yourself: > > 1.) is there really such a dumb asshole as werner? > > 2.) is there really anyone who gives a shit? > > 3.) is there anyone who can wake him up? > > 4.) is there anyone who gives a shit? > > 5.) does the screwed up wernie(who isn't) believe his own bullshit? > > 6.) is there really anyone who gives a shit? > > i do but that's all that i'd give to him. > > LOL! > > .b b.b. > My dish washer flooded my floor this morning. I kicked it so hard the door flew off and broke my stove. I took the skillet off the stove and tossed it through my sliding glass doors. The glass shattered into the swimming pool. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 5, 2009 > > > > G: I think if we where to visit niz,. you, toomba and a few others > > > > here, > > > > would > > > > be sent away as " knowing to much and wanting to show off " . > > > > I would probably be barred at the stairs.. and Werner... he would be > > > > turned > > > > back home at the Bombay airport authority. > > > > > > P: I made it in, but didn't last too long. Read > > > about my visit here: > > > > > > enlightenedfiction/message/64 > > > > > > Lovely little story Pete.... I really enjoyed it!! I'd like to talk > > > about > > > something in there...sometime later. > > > > > > Does any other member in this forum met Niz.? Could you say a few > > > words > > > about it? > > > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > It seems, Geo, that this 'lovely' little story Pete invented made you > > greedy to meet and atain the " real thing " . > > > > But before you get to enthusiastic serioiusly ponder the following > > without drifting off into romantic day-dreams about self-realization or > > similar crap you have read and you brain got burdened with. > > > > 1) Is there really an entity called " dreamer " which is dreaming and > > could wake up ? > > > > 2) Is there really a " dream character " which is dreaming of waking up ? > > > > 3) Is there really something like a " dream " one could " wake up " from ? > > > > Please see that the word dream also implies a wakeful state. Is there > > such a state ? > > > > Or is that 'lovely' story from Pete just a bunch of ideas and concepts > > about dreams, awakening and wakefulness which in reality have no real > > and serious base ? > > > > Werner > > > ask yourself: > > 1.) is there really such a dumb asshole as werner? > > 2.) is there really anyone who gives a shit? > > 3.) is there anyone who can wake him up? > > 4.) is there anyone who gives a shit? > > 5.) does the screwed up wernie(who isn't) believe his own bullshit? > > 6.) is there really anyone who gives a shit? > > i do but that's all that i'd give to him. > > LOL! > > .b b.b. > My dish washer flooded my floor this morning. I kicked it so hard the door flew off and broke my stove. I took the skillet off the stove and tossed it through my sliding glass doors. The glass shattered into the swimming pool. toombaru LOL LOL LOL ....sorry for that toomba... mmmmmpffffffmpff.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > > G: I think if we where to visit niz,. you, toomba and a few others > > > > > here, > > > > > would > > > > > be sent away as " knowing to much and wanting to show off " . > > > > > I would probably be barred at the stairs.. and Werner... he would be > > > > > turned > > > > > back home at the Bombay airport authority. > > > > > > > > P: I made it in, but didn't last too long. Read > > > > about my visit here: > > > > > > > > enlightenedfiction/message/64 > > > > > > > > Lovely little story Pete.... I really enjoyed it!! I'd like to talk > > > > about > > > > something in there...sometime later. > > > > > > > > Does any other member in this forum met Niz.? Could you say a few > > > > words > > > > about it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems, Geo, that this 'lovely' little story Pete invented made you > > > greedy to meet and atain the " real thing " . > > > > > > But before you get to enthusiastic serioiusly ponder the following > > > without drifting off into romantic day-dreams about self-realization or > > > similar crap you have read and you brain got burdened with. > > > > > > 1) Is there really an entity called " dreamer " which is dreaming and > > > could wake up ? > > > > > > 2) Is there really a " dream character " which is dreaming of waking up ? > > > > > > 3) Is there really something like a " dream " one could " wake up " from ? > > > > > > Please see that the word dream also implies a wakeful state. Is there > > > such a state ? > > > > > > Or is that 'lovely' story from Pete just a bunch of ideas and concepts > > > about dreams, awakening and wakefulness which in reality have no real > > > and serious base ? > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > ask yourself: > > > > 1.) is there really such a dumb asshole as werner? > > > > 2.) is there really anyone who gives a shit? > > > > 3.) is there anyone who can wake him up? > > > > 4.) is there anyone who gives a shit? > > > > 5.) does the screwed up wernie(who isn't) believe his own bullshit? > > > > 6.) is there really anyone who gives a shit? > > > > i do but that's all that i'd give to him. > > > > LOL! > > > > .b b.b. > > > > My dish washer flooded my floor this morning. > > I kicked it so hard the door flew off and broke my stove. > > I took the skillet off the stove and tossed it through my sliding glass > doors. > > The glass shattered into the swimming pool. > > toombaru > > LOL LOL LOL > ...sorry for that toomba... mmmmmpffffffmpff.... > .........My dog and my wife are hiding under the front porch. .........I think I might have to use the hose to get them out. :-0 toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 5, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Tuesday, May 05, 2009 3:23 PM Re: where there is... Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > > G: I think if we where to visit niz,. you, toomba and a few others > > > > > here, > > > > > would > > > > > be sent away as " knowing to much and wanting to show off " . > > > > > I would probably be barred at the stairs.. and Werner... he would > > > > > be > > > > > turned > > > > > back home at the Bombay airport authority. > > > > > > > > P: I made it in, but didn't last too long. Read > > > > about my visit here: > > > > > > > > enlightenedfiction/message/64 > > > > > > > > Lovely little story Pete.... I really enjoyed it!! I'd like to talk > > > > about > > > > something in there...sometime later. > > > > > > > > Does any other member in this forum met Niz.? Could you say a few > > > > words > > > > about it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems, Geo, that this 'lovely' little story Pete invented made you > > > greedy to meet and atain the " real thing " . > > > > > > But before you get to enthusiastic serioiusly ponder the following > > > without drifting off into romantic day-dreams about self-realization > > > or > > > similar crap you have read and you brain got burdened with. > > > > > > 1) Is there really an entity called " dreamer " which is dreaming and > > > could wake up ? > > > > > > 2) Is there really a " dream character " which is dreaming of waking up > > > ? > > > > > > 3) Is there really something like a " dream " one could " wake up " from ? > > > > > > Please see that the word dream also implies a wakeful state. Is there > > > such a state ? > > > > > > Or is that 'lovely' story from Pete just a bunch of ideas and concepts > > > about dreams, awakening and wakefulness which in reality have no real > > > and serious base ? > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > ask yourself: > > > > 1.) is there really such a dumb asshole as werner? > > > > 2.) is there really anyone who gives a shit? > > > > 3.) is there anyone who can wake him up? > > > > 4.) is there anyone who gives a shit? > > > > 5.) does the screwed up wernie(who isn't) believe his own bullshit? > > > > 6.) is there really anyone who gives a shit? > > > > i do but that's all that i'd give to him. > > > > LOL! > > > > .b b.b. > > > > My dish washer flooded my floor this morning. > > I kicked it so hard the door flew off and broke my stove. > > I took the skillet off the stove and tossed it through my sliding glass > doors. > > The glass shattered into the swimming pool. > > toombaru > > LOL LOL LOL > ...sorry for that toomba... mmmmmpffffffmpff.... > .........My dog and my wife are hiding under the front porch. .........I think I might have to use the hose to get them out. :-0 toombaru both? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Monday, May 04, 2009 5:46 PM > Re: where there is... > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > roberibus111 > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, May 04, 2009 2:19 PM > > Re: where there is... > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > your ego is all what is the world about. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the world is all what is your ego about. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> This is very interesting, weird, almost awesome... There is > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > of this world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that is a direct result of the sense of inner separate entity. > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > countries, wars, competition, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > family....ahh...and so much more! This whole thing is structured > > > > > > > around > > > > > > > self-protection. We > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would not recognize this world if it was populated by egoless > > > > > > > beings. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > think that is not possible - probably not. > > > > > > > > > > > > --you are thinking too much.... > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> Thought is indeed a misterious and ellusive stuff. When we > > > > > > least > > > > > > expect..voilá...we are already > > > > > > immersed in its claws. I am not different...but when I write about > > > > > > these > > > > > > matters, there is conscious > > > > > > effort to try to express keeping thought in its right place. > > > > > > > > > > ---thoughts are related to ego & world > > > > > > > > > > the more ego & world illusion is turning around in mind....the more > > > > > thoughts > > > > > are there > > > > > > > > > > when there is no more world....there are no more thoughts > > > > > > > > > > means, whenever there is no ego....there is no world and also no > > > > > thought > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some egos need to read/hear/write about wars and other worldly > > > > > > illusions.... > > > > > > they can't be satisfied when there is nothing to hear & read about > > > > > > wars.....again and again..... > > > > > > their mind Are this little imaginary wars....and sufferings....etc > > > > > > > > > > > > when ego become less strong..... > > > > > > means, when the attachments to the illusory ego & world idea become > > > > > > less > > > > > > strong.....then slowly ...all this stories about wars and other > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > non-sense is of no more interest.... > > > > > > > > > > > > the world slowly disappear....in a sense of an outside & seperated > > > > > > story > > > > > > to > > > > > > illusory ego.... > > > > > > > > > > > > until the complete disappearence of appearances.... > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> Is it so? Personally, with geo here, whenever there are any > > > > > > ideas > > > > > > of > > > > > > graduality, of slowly emerging through > > > > > > the boundaries of time, taking time to transcend time...I knock my > > > > > > head > > > > > > with > > > > > > some hard object, a rock, a peace > > > > > > of metal bar, a concrete stone...until it bleeds - to remind me > > > > > > that > > > > > > I > > > > > > am > > > > > > sleeping. > > > > > > === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---yes, as i see....look like the world is not only about > > > > > ego & thoughts.....but also about madness..... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > But Marc, consider... Is it possible to transcend time taking time? > > > > > Is it possible to gradually grow consciousness until it transcends > > > > > space? > > > > > Is it possible to slowly apreciate/cultivate beauty more and more > > > > > until > > > > > beauty itself is naked and true? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > Geo, > > > > > > > > You still have not grasped anything I told you about consciousness. > > > > > > > > Why is that ? I think it is because you are unable to give up your old > > > > ideas > > > > about it. > > > > > > > > Again: > > > > Such a thing as consciousness does not exist. There is no part in the > > > > brain > > > > where consciousness is sitting. > > > > > > > > But: > > > > There is a network of neuron cells which constiute memory. When a > > > > memory > > > > cell is active and firing then this firing is experienced as > > > > consciousness. > > > > When it is inactive and not firing then it is just memory. > > > > > > > > Do you understand ? Consciousness is memory. > > > > > > > > There is no " growing " consciousnes, there is no transcending > > > > consciousness > > > > time and space. Thats all romantic rubbish. > > > > > > > > There is just memory, more or less active. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > Werner my friend!!! How are you today? Is it morning or afternoon > > > > there? > > > > Did > > > > you have toasts and tea or coffe? > > > > I feel time and space are mind consctructs. Time is a measure of > > > > change > > > > in > > > > matter/energy. > > > > One can grow consciousness in the sense of astral trips and > > > > extra-sensorial > > > > stuff, but it is just > > > > a small change when compared to the quantum leap of insight into > > > > unlimited > > > > freedom. > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > Ha ! > > > > > > What a firework of big mouth bubbles, Geo - very impressive > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > Geo-Dragon-Like laying in his back bursting flashes of colored fire > > > cracks > > > with a dark blue sky as background... > > > > geo.. > > > > you still have not grasped anything i told you about werner. > > > > why is that? > > > > i think it is because you are unable to give up your old > > > > ideas about him. > > > > it is big time nitwit you sit wit. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Shut up bbb. My converstaion with Werner is not for avarage leveled people > > like you. > > there is no one like me. > > and.. > > fuck you i won't shut up. > > LOL! > > .b b.b. > > I think if we where to visit niz,. you, toomba and a few others here, would > be sent away as " knowing to much and wanting to show off " . > I would probably be barred at the stairs.. and Werner... he would be turned > back home at the Bombay airport authority. > the only One who ever could visit niz....is this imaginary bubble " geo " .... there is nobody else ..... " geo " remain alone with imaginary Master/Saint/God/Guru.....as long " geo " is thinking/believing to be " geo " ..... after " geo " would have gone.... there is this your " beauty " you are running after....for some reason.... .... main reason for imaginary bubbles....is ignorance Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > G: I think if we where to visit niz,. you, toomba and a few others here, > > > > > would > > > > > be sent away as " knowing to much and wanting to show off " . > > > > > I would probably be barred at the stairs.. and Werner... he would be > > > > > turned > > > > > back home at the Bombay airport authority. > > > > > > > > P: I made it in, but didn't last too long. Read > > > > about my visit here: > > > > > > > > enlightenedfiction/message/64 > > > > > > > > Lovely little story Pete.... I really enjoyed it!! I'd like to talk about > > > > something in there...sometime later. > > > > > > > > Does any other member in this forum met Niz.? Could you say a few words > > > > about it? > > > > > > P: Sure I could say, when you look with the hope of > > > finding what you want, you are prone to > > > fool yourself. If you had read carefully > > > you would have noticed that the name of > > > the site is Enlightened Fiction. Fiction > > > being the controlling word. All stories > > > there are fictional. > > > > > > I never met Niz in the flesh. There was > > > a member here who met Niz, I don't know > > > if he is still around. Only Hur knows > > > if he still a member. There are some posts > > > in the archive about his visit to Mumbay. > > > > > > > > where on earth is Mumbay? > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > It is the polar opposite of Huston Texas. > > > > > toombaru maybe so. the yin to the yang. are you yanking my chain? mumbay so? ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > G: I think if we where to visit niz,. you, toomba and a few others here, > > > > > would > > > > > be sent away as " knowing to much and wanting to show off " . > > > > > I would probably be barred at the stairs.. and Werner... he would be > > > > > turned > > > > > back home at the Bombay airport authority. > > > > > > > > P: I made it in, but didn't last too long. Read > > > > about my visit here: > > > > > > > > enlightenedfiction/message/64 > > > > > > > > Lovely little story Pete.... I really enjoyed it!! I'd like to talk about > > > > something in there...sometime later. > > > > > > > > Does any other member in this forum met Niz.? Could you say a few words > > > > about it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems, Geo, that this 'lovely' little story Pete invented made you greedy to meet and atain the " real thing " . > > > > > > But before you get to enthusiastic serioiusly ponder the following without drifting off into romantic day-dreams about self-realization or similar crap you have read and you brain got burdened with. > > > > > > 1) Is there really an entity called " dreamer " which is dreaming and could wake up ? > > > > > > 2) Is there really a " dream character " which is dreaming of waking up ? > > > > > > 3) Is there really something like a " dream " one could " wake up " from ? > > > > > > Please see that the word dream also implies a wakeful state. Is there such a state ? > > > > > > Or is that 'lovely' story from Pete just a bunch of ideas and concepts about dreams, awakening and wakefulness which in reality have no real and serious base ? > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > ask yourself: > > > > 1.) is there really such a dumb asshole as werner? > > > > 2.) is there really anyone who gives a shit? > > > > 3.) is there anyone who can wake him up? > > > > 4.) is there anyone who gives a shit? > > > > 5.) does the screwed up wernie(who isn't) believe his own bullshit? > > > > 6.) is there really anyone who gives a shit? > > > > i do but that's all that i'd give to him. > > > > LOL! > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > My dish washer flooded my floor this morning. > > I kicked it so hard the door flew off and broke my stove. > > I took the skillet off the stove and tossed it through my sliding glass doors. > > The glass shattered into the swimming pool. toombaru you think you have problems? this morning was no different than any morning here. i awoke years ago and still can't find my " self " . it's actually not a problem.. but it's no solution either. there is none. gotta live with your own death is the guess. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2009 > I think if we where to visit niz,. you, toomba and a few others here, > would > be sent away as " knowing to much and wanting to show off " . > I would probably be barred at the stairs.. and Werner... he would be > turned > back home at the Bombay airport authority. > the only One who ever could visit niz....is this imaginary bubble " geo " .... there is nobody else geo> True. ..... " geo " remain alone with imaginary Master/Saint/God/Guru.....as long " geo " is thinking/believing to be " geo " geo> I was raised in a non-religious atheist familly (big deal). So thee is no imaginary Master/Saint/God/Guru for me. But I would not mind meeting personalities like niz. I also like to talk with a nieghbour down the street. As for geo: it is a convenient name to call this organism. ..... after " geo " would have gone.... there is this your " beauty " you are running after....for some reason.... geo> Ahhh...but this is pungenly true! Interesting that you raised this issue right now. Just a few days ago I was saying to myself: " I have never realized the truth of this fact so clearly like right now " . When you stand alone in the universe, after the first moments of claustrophobia, one sees that the absense of pleasures and fleeting happinessess is not such a big loss....and the absense of the dream, of the imaginary sufferings... is the purest beauty. Do you share this with me? .... main reason for imaginary bubbles....is ignorance Marc It is. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
