Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2009 > toombaru you think you have problems? this morning was no different than any morning here. i awoke years ago and still can't find my " self " . it's actually not a problem.. but it's no solution either. there is none. gotta live with your own death is the guess. ..b b.b. Who awoke years ago? -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > I think if we where to visit niz,. you, toomba and a few others here, > > would > > be sent away as " knowing to much and wanting to show off " . > > I would probably be barred at the stairs.. and Werner... he would be > > turned > > back home at the Bombay airport authority. > > > > the only One who ever could visit niz....is this imaginary bubble " geo " .... > > there is nobody else > > geo> True. > > .... > > " geo " remain alone with imaginary Master/Saint/God/Guru.....as long " geo " is > thinking/believing to be " geo " > > geo> I was raised in a non-religious atheist familly (big deal). So thee is > no imaginary Master/Saint/God/Guru > for me. But I would not mind meeting personalities like niz. I also like to > talk with a nieghbour down the street. > As for geo: it is a convenient name to call this organism. > > .... > > after " geo " would have gone.... > > there is this your " beauty " you are running after....for some reason.... > > geo> Ahhh...but this is pungenly true! Interesting that you raised this > issue right now. Just a few days ago > I was saying to myself: " I have never realized the truth of this fact so > clearly like right now " . > When you stand alone in the universe, after the first moments of > claustrophobia, one sees that the > absense of pleasures and fleeting happinessess is not such a big loss....and > the absense of the dream, > of the imaginary sufferings... is the purest beauty. Do you share this with > me? > > ... > > main reason for imaginary bubbles....is ignorance > > Marc > > It is. > -geo- i like the name stefan. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > toombaru > > you think you have problems? > > this morning was no different than any morning here. > > i awoke years ago and still can't find my " self " . > > it's actually not a problem.. > > but it's no solution either. > > there is none. > > gotta live with your own death is the guess. > > .b b.b. > > Who awoke years ago? > -geo- he's gone now. it doesn't matter. who asks? ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > toombaru > > you think you have problems? > > this morning was no different than any morning here. > > i awoke years ago and still can't find my " self " . > > it's actually not a problem.. > > but it's no solution either. > > there is none. > > gotta live with your own death is the guess. > > .b b.b. > > Who awoke years ago? > -geo- to be honest.. whatever that means.. there is no " ago-go " . dance to the music. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > G: I think if we where to visit niz,. you, toomba and a few others here, > > > > > > would > > > > > > be sent away as " knowing to much and wanting to show off " . > > > > > > I would probably be barred at the stairs.. and Werner... he would be > > > > > > turned > > > > > > back home at the Bombay airport authority. > > > > > > > > > > P: I made it in, but didn't last too long. Read > > > > > about my visit here: > > > > > > > > > > enlightenedfiction/message/64 > > > > > > > > > > Lovely little story Pete.... I really enjoyed it!! I'd like to talk about > > > > > something in there...sometime later. > > > > > > > > > > Does any other member in this forum met Niz.? Could you say a few words > > > > > about it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems, Geo, that this 'lovely' little story Pete invented made you greedy to meet and atain the " real thing " . > > > > > > > > But before you get to enthusiastic serioiusly ponder the following without drifting off into romantic day-dreams about self-realization or similar crap you have read and you brain got burdened with. > > > > > > > > 1) Is there really an entity called " dreamer " which is dreaming and could wake up ? > > > > > > > > 2) Is there really a " dream character " which is dreaming of waking up ? > > > > > > > > 3) Is there really something like a " dream " one could " wake up " from ? > > > > > > > > Please see that the word dream also implies a wakeful state. Is there such a state ? > > > > > > > > Or is that 'lovely' story from Pete just a bunch of ideas and concepts about dreams, awakening and wakefulness which in reality have no real and serious base ? > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > ask yourself: > > > > > > 1.) is there really such a dumb asshole as werner? > > > > > > 2.) is there really anyone who gives a shit? > > > > > > 3.) is there anyone who can wake him up? > > > > > > 4.) is there anyone who gives a shit? > > > > > > 5.) does the screwed up wernie(who isn't) believe his own bullshit? > > > > > > 6.) is there really anyone who gives a shit? > > > > > > i do but that's all that i'd give to him. > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > My dish washer flooded my floor this morning. > > > > I kicked it so hard the door flew off and broke my stove. > > > > I took the skillet off the stove and tossed it through my sliding glass doors. > > > > The glass shattered into the swimming pool. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > you think you have problems? > > this morning was no different than any morning here. > > i awoke years ago and still can't find my " self " . > > it's actually not a problem.. > > but it's no solution either. > > there is none. > > gotta live with your own death is the guess. > > .b b.b. > the self keeps raising like a wave it can shift perception to the forward edge and fall into what's next toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > G: I think if we where to visit niz,. you, toomba and a few others here, > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > be sent away as " knowing to much and wanting to show off " . > > > > > > > I would probably be barred at the stairs.. and Werner... he would be > > > > > > > turned > > > > > > > back home at the Bombay airport authority. > > > > > > > > > > > > P: I made it in, but didn't last too long. Read > > > > > > about my visit here: > > > > > > > > > > > > enlightenedfiction/message/64 > > > > > > > > > > > > Lovely little story Pete.... I really enjoyed it!! I'd like to talk about > > > > > > something in there...sometime later. > > > > > > > > > > > > Does any other member in this forum met Niz.? Could you say a few words > > > > > > about it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems, Geo, that this 'lovely' little story Pete invented made you greedy to meet and atain the " real thing " . > > > > > > > > > > But before you get to enthusiastic serioiusly ponder the following without drifting off into romantic day-dreams about self-realization or similar crap you have read and you brain got burdened with. > > > > > > > > > > 1) Is there really an entity called " dreamer " which is dreaming and could wake up ? > > > > > > > > > > 2) Is there really a " dream character " which is dreaming of waking up ? > > > > > > > > > > 3) Is there really something like a " dream " one could " wake up " from ? > > > > > > > > > > Please see that the word dream also implies a wakeful state. Is there such a state ? > > > > > > > > > > Or is that 'lovely' story from Pete just a bunch of ideas and concepts about dreams, awakening and wakefulness which in reality have no real and serious base ? > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > ask yourself: > > > > > > > > 1.) is there really such a dumb asshole as werner? > > > > > > > > 2.) is there really anyone who gives a shit? > > > > > > > > 3.) is there anyone who can wake him up? > > > > > > > > 4.) is there anyone who gives a shit? > > > > > > > > 5.) does the screwed up wernie(who isn't) believe his own bullshit? > > > > > > > > 6.) is there really anyone who gives a shit? > > > > > > > > i do but that's all that i'd give to him. > > > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My dish washer flooded my floor this morning. > > > > > > I kicked it so hard the door flew off and broke my stove. > > > > > > I took the skillet off the stove and tossed it through my sliding glass doors. > > > > > > The glass shattered into the swimming pool. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > you think you have problems? > > > > this morning was no different than any morning here. > > > > i awoke years ago and still can't find my " self " . > > > > it's actually not a problem.. > > > > but it's no solution either. > > > > there is none. > > > > gotta live with your own death is the guess. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > the self keeps raising > like a wave > it can shift perception > to the forward edge > and fall into what's next > > > > > > toombaru i don't know. mine is gone. there is no next. :-) ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2009 > > > I think if we where to visit niz,. you, toomba and a few others here, > > would > > be sent away as " knowing to much and wanting to show off " . > > I would probably be barred at the stairs.. and Werner... he would be > > turned > > back home at the Bombay airport authority. > > > > the only One who ever could visit niz....is this imaginary bubble > " geo " .... > > there is nobody else > > geo> True. > > .... > > " geo " remain alone with imaginary Master/Saint/God/Guru.....as long " geo " > is > thinking/believing to be " geo " > > geo> I was raised in a non-religious atheist familly (big deal). So thee > is > no imaginary Master/Saint/God/Guru > for me. But I would not mind meeting personalities like niz. I also like > to > talk with a nieghbour down the street. > As for geo: it is a convenient name to call this organism. > > .... > > after " geo " would have gone.... > > there is this your " beauty " you are running after....for some reason.... > > geo> Ahhh...but this is pungenly true! Interesting that you raised this > issue right now. Just a few days ago > I was saying to myself: " I have never realized the truth of this fact so > clearly like right now " . > When you stand alone in the universe, after the first moments of > claustrophobia, one sees that the > absense of pleasures and fleeting happinessess is not such a big > loss....and > the absense of the dream, > of the imaginary sufferings... is the purest beauty. Do you share this > with > me? > > ... > > main reason for imaginary bubbles....is ignorance > > Marc > > It is. > -geo- i like the name stefan. ..b b.b. geo> Why? Does it remind you of orfan? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2009 > > > > My dish washer flooded my floor this morning. > > > > I kicked it so hard the door flew off and broke my stove. > > > > I took the skillet off the stove and tossed it through my sliding glass > > doors. > > > > The glass shattered into the swimming pool. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > you think you have problems? > > this morning was no different than any morning here. > > i awoke years ago and still can't find my " self " . > > it's actually not a problem.. > > but it's no solution either. > > there is none. > > gotta live with your own death is the guess. > > .b b.b. > the self keeps raising like a wave it can shift perception to the forward edge and fall into what's next toombaru A question. Seems clear to me that the shift from shadow to light, from time to no-time, is a quantum shift. Can not be gradual. It is always a new flash. But in hte other hand, the imaginary inner center is linked to actual organic conections in the brain. There is an actual miss-wiring as the result of conditioning. This physical miss-wiring is a material process, and I wonder if the fixing of these conections can not be a gradual process? -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2009 > the self keeps raising > like a wave > it can shift perception > to the forward edge > and fall into what's next > > > > > > toombaru i don't know. mine is gone. there is no next. :-) ..b b.b. A personal question. Could/would you identify some kind of graduality as a result of which your " mine is gone " ? Was/is it not a kind of an on/off thing for you? Sometimes I realize I was deeeeply asleep. Sometimes I fight to awake and can not... sometimes these concerns make no sense at all... -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > > I think if we where to visit niz,. you, toomba and a few others here, > > > would > > > be sent away as " knowing to much and wanting to show off " . > > > I would probably be barred at the stairs.. and Werner... he would be > > > turned > > > back home at the Bombay airport authority. > > > > > > > the only One who ever could visit niz....is this imaginary bubble > > " geo " .... > > > > there is nobody else > > > > geo> True. > > > > .... > > > > " geo " remain alone with imaginary Master/Saint/God/Guru.....as long " geo " > > is > > thinking/believing to be " geo " > > > > geo> I was raised in a non-religious atheist familly (big deal). So thee > > is > > no imaginary Master/Saint/God/Guru > > for me. But I would not mind meeting personalities like niz. I also like > > to > > talk with a nieghbour down the street. > > As for geo: it is a convenient name to call this organism. > > > > .... > > > > after " geo " would have gone.... > > > > there is this your " beauty " you are running after....for some reason.... > > > > geo> Ahhh...but this is pungenly true! Interesting that you raised this > > issue right now. Just a few days ago > > I was saying to myself: " I have never realized the truth of this fact so > > clearly like right now " . > > When you stand alone in the universe, after the first moments of > > claustrophobia, one sees that the > > absense of pleasures and fleeting happinessess is not such a big > > loss....and > > the absense of the dream, > > of the imaginary sufferings... is the purest beauty. Do you share this > > with > > me? > > > > ... > > > > main reason for imaginary bubbles....is ignorance > > > > Marc > > > > It is. > > -geo- > > i like the name stefan. > > .b b.b. > > geo> Why? Does it remind you of orfan? no. it reminds me of an organ. don't ask which one. :-) ..b b.b. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > the self keeps raising > > like a wave > > it can shift perception > > to the forward edge > > and fall into what's next > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > i don't know. > > mine is gone. > > there is no next. > > :-) > > .b b.b. > > A personal question. Could/would you identify some kind of graduality as a > result of which > your " mine is gone " ? Was/is it not a kind of an on/off thing for you? > Sometimes I realize > I was deeeeply asleep. Sometimes I fight to awake and can not... sometimes > these concerns > make no sense at all... > -geo- well actually there is not a mote of difference.. between what " seems to be " and what is. there is no " time " between or betwixt the two. you're only fooling yourself. " It " is right before your eyes.. and behind them. just get out of the Way. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > > > My dish washer flooded my floor this morning. > > > > > > I kicked it so hard the door flew off and broke my stove. > > > > > > I took the skillet off the stove and tossed it through my sliding glass > > > doors. > > > > > > The glass shattered into the swimming pool. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > you think you have problems? > > > > this morning was no different than any morning here. > > > > i awoke years ago and still can't find my " self " . > > > > it's actually not a problem.. > > > > but it's no solution either. > > > > there is none. > > > > gotta live with your own death is the guess. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > the self keeps raising > like a wave > it can shift perception > to the forward edge > and fall into what's next > > toombaru > > A question. > Seems clear to me that the shift from shadow to light, from time to no-time, > is a quantum shift. > Can not be gradual. It is always a new flash. a flash a flash a flash a flash a flash a flash > > But in the other hand, the imaginary inner center is linked to actual > organic connections in the brain. > There is an actual miss-wiring as the result of conditioning. Evolution tries infinite combinations.......some work pretty good......some no so pretty good. > > This physical miss-wiring is a material process, and I wonder if the fixing > of these connections can > not be a gradual process? > -geo- > Within a river.....it is difficult for one whirlpool to study another whirlpool. It is possible just to be aware....and amazed at the spinning of it all. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > the self keeps raising > > > like a wave > > > it can shift perception > > > to the forward edge > > > and fall into what's next > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > i don't know. > > > > mine is gone. > > > > there is no next. > > > > :-) > > > > .b b.b. > > > > A personal question. Could/would you identify some kind of graduality as a > > result of which > > your " mine is gone " ? Was/is it not a kind of an on/off thing for you? > > Sometimes I realize > > I was deeeeply asleep. Sometimes I fight to awake and can not... sometimes > > these concerns > > make no sense at all... > > -geo- > > > well actually there is not a mote of difference.. > > between what " seems to be " and what is. > > there is no " time " between or betwixt the two. > > you're only fooling yourself. > > " It " is right before your eyes.. > > and behind them. > > just get out of the Way. > > .b b.b. > no way toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2009 > > the self keeps raising > > like a wave > > it can shift perception > > to the forward edge > > and fall into what's next > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > i don't know. > > mine is gone. > > there is no next. > > :-) > > .b b.b. > > A personal question. Could/would you identify some kind of graduality as a > result of which > your " mine is gone " ? Was/is it not a kind of an on/off thing for you? > Sometimes I realize > I was deeeeply asleep. Sometimes I fight to awake and can not... sometimes > these concerns > make no sense at all... > -geo- well actually there is not a mote of difference.. between what " seems to be " and what is. there is no " time " between or betwixt the two. you're only fooling yourself. " It " is right before your eyes.. and behind them. just get out of the Way. ..b b.b. geo> Yes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2009 > > > My dish washer flooded my floor this morning. > > > > > > I kicked it so hard the door flew off and broke my stove. > > > > > > I took the skillet off the stove and tossed it through my sliding > > > glass > > > doors. > > > > > > The glass shattered into the swimming pool. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > you think you have problems? > > > > this morning was no different than any morning here. > > > > i awoke years ago and still can't find my " self " . > > > > it's actually not a problem.. > > > > but it's no solution either. > > > > there is none. > > > > gotta live with your own death is the guess. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > the self keeps raising > like a wave > it can shift perception > to the forward edge > and fall into what's next > > toombaru > > A question. > Seems clear to me that the shift from shadow to light, from time to > no-time, > is a quantum shift. > Can not be gradual. It is always a new flash. a flash a flash a flash a flash a flash a flash > > But in the other hand, the imaginary inner center is linked to actual > organic connections in the brain. > There is an actual miss-wiring as the result of conditioning. Evolution tries infinite combinations.......some work pretty good......some no so pretty good. geo> Yes, as an evolutionary thing in human race. But I mean within one lifespan. As a centered inner being the wiring is there - in some particular way, physicaly - and then without the center, the wiring has changed. Can that not be gradual? > > This physical miss-wiring is a material process, and I wonder if the > fixing > of these connections can > not be a gradual process? > -geo- > Within a river.....it is difficult for one whirlpool to study another whirlpool. It is possible just to be aware....and amazed at the spinning of it all. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > the self keeps raising > > > like a wave > > > it can shift perception > > > to the forward edge > > > and fall into what's next > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > i don't know. > > > > mine is gone. > > > > there is no next. > > > > :-) > > > > .b b.b. > > > > A personal question. Could/would you identify some kind of graduality as > > a > > result of which > > your " mine is gone " ? Was/is it not a kind of an on/off thing for you? > > Sometimes I realize > > I was deeeeply asleep. Sometimes I fight to awake and can not... > > sometimes > > these concerns > > make no sense at all... > > -geo- > > > well actually there is not a mote of difference.. > > between what " seems to be " and what is. > > there is no " time " between or betwixt the two. > > you're only fooling yourself. > > " It " is right before your eyes.. > > and behind them. > > just get out of the Way. > > .b b.b. > no way toombaru Why do you say that? It is so. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > I think if we where to visit niz,. you, toomba and a few others here, > > would > > be sent away as " knowing to much and wanting to show off " . > > I would probably be barred at the stairs.. and Werner... he would be > > turned > > back home at the Bombay airport authority. > > > > the only One who ever could visit niz....is this imaginary bubble " geo " .... > > there is nobody else > > geo> True. > > .... > > " geo " remain alone with imaginary Master/Saint/God/Guru.....as long " geo " is > thinking/believing to be " geo " > > geo> I was raised in a non-religious atheist familly (big deal). So thee is > no imaginary Master/Saint/God/Guru > for me. But I would not mind meeting personalities like niz. I also like to > talk with a nieghbour down the street. > As for geo: it is a convenient name to call this organism. > > .... > > after " geo " would have gone.... > > there is this your " beauty " you are running after....for some reason.... > > geo> Ahhh...but this is pungenly true! Interesting that you raised this > issue right now. Just a few days ago > I was saying to myself: " I have never realized the truth of this fact so > clearly like right now " . > When you stand alone in the universe, after the first moments of > claustrophobia, one sees that the > absense of pleasures and fleeting happinessess is not such a big loss....and > the absense of the dream, > of the imaginary sufferings... is the purest beauty. Do you share this with > me? > WHO is there.....who could share the " purest beauty " ....?... Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2009 > Evolution tries infinite combinations.......some work pretty good......some > no so pretty good. > > geo> Yes, as an evolutionary thing in human race. But I mean within one > lifespan. As a centered inner being > the wiring is there - in some particular way, physicaly - and then without > the center, the wiring has changed. > Can that not be gradual? > The self's totality is a perceptual dream....from that perspective it is not possible to get an overall view of the dreaming process. Something else is needed. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > the self keeps raising > > > > like a wave > > > > it can shift perception > > > > to the forward edge > > > > and fall into what's next > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > i don't know. > > > > > > mine is gone. > > > > > > there is no next. > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > A personal question. Could/would you identify some kind of graduality as > > > a > > > result of which > > > your " mine is gone " ? Was/is it not a kind of an on/off thing for you? > > > Sometimes I realize > > > I was deeeeply asleep. Sometimes I fight to awake and can not... > > > sometimes > > > these concerns > > > make no sense at all... > > > -geo- > > > > > > well actually there is not a mote of difference.. > > > > between what " seems to be " and what is. > > > > there is no " time " between or betwixt the two. > > > > you're only fooling yourself. > > > > " It " is right before your eyes.. > > > > and behind them. > > > > just get out of the Way. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > no way > > toombaru > > Why do you say that? It is so. > -geo- > There is no way go get out of a prison that exists only in the mind of the prisoner. .........well......there is a way.........but it is not to found in the dream.......and it is not the prisoner that escapes. .....for him......it's a life sentence. " You can get out of here " ......the voice said.... " but you have to leave the little monkey inside " . toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > I think if we where to visit niz,. you, toomba and a few others here, > > > would > > > be sent away as " knowing to much and wanting to show off " . > > > I would probably be barred at the stairs.. and Werner... he would be > > > turned > > > back home at the Bombay airport authority. > > > > > > > the only One who ever could visit niz....is this imaginary bubble " geo " .... > > > > there is nobody else > > > > geo> True. > > > > .... > > > > " geo " remain alone with imaginary Master/Saint/God/Guru.....as long " geo " is > > thinking/believing to be " geo " > > > > geo> I was raised in a non-religious atheist familly (big deal). So thee is > > no imaginary Master/Saint/God/Guru > > for me. But I would not mind meeting personalities like niz. I also like to > > talk with a nieghbour down the street. > > As for geo: it is a convenient name to call this organism. > > > > .... > > > > after " geo " would have gone.... > > > > there is this your " beauty " you are running after....for some reason.... > > > > geo> Ahhh...but this is pungenly true! Interesting that you raised this > > issue right now. Just a few days ago > > I was saying to myself: " I have never realized the truth of this fact so > > clearly like right now " . > > When you stand alone in the universe, after the first moments of > > claustrophobia, one sees that the > > absense of pleasures and fleeting happinessess is not such a big loss....and > > the absense of the dream, > > of the imaginary sufferings... is the purest beauty. Do you share this with > > me? > > > > > > > WHO is there.....who could share the " purest beauty " ....?... > > > Marc > in awe he looked around the new kingdom and wanted to share what he saw then he realized that they were all inside who he was and there was no one but him toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2009 > > > I think if we where to visit niz,. you, toomba and a few others here, > > would > > be sent away as " knowing to much and wanting to show off " . > > I would probably be barred at the stairs.. and Werner... he would be > > turned > > back home at the Bombay airport authority. > > > > the only One who ever could visit niz....is this imaginary bubble > " geo " .... > > there is nobody else > > geo> True. > > .... > > " geo " remain alone with imaginary Master/Saint/God/Guru.....as long " geo " > is > thinking/believing to be " geo " > > geo> I was raised in a non-religious atheist familly (big deal). So thee > is > no imaginary Master/Saint/God/Guru > for me. But I would not mind meeting personalities like niz. I also like > to > talk with a nieghbour down the street. > As for geo: it is a convenient name to call this organism. > > .... > > after " geo " would have gone.... > > there is this your " beauty " you are running after....for some reason.... > > geo> Ahhh...but this is pungenly true! Interesting that you raised this > issue right now. Just a few days ago > I was saying to myself: " I have never realized the truth of this fact so > clearly like right now " . > When you stand alone in the universe, after the first moments of > claustrophobia, one sees that the > absense of pleasures and fleeting happinessess is not such a big > loss....and > the absense of the dream, > of the imaginary sufferings... is the purest beauty. Do you share this > with > me? > WHO is there.....who could share the " purest beauty " ....?... Marc Purest beauty is? -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > the self keeps raising > > > > like a wave > > > > it can shift perception > > > > to the forward edge > > > > and fall into what's next > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > i don't know. > > > > > > mine is gone. > > > > > > there is no next. > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > A personal question. Could/would you identify some kind of graduality as a > > > result of which > > > your " mine is gone " ? Was/is it not a kind of an on/off thing for you? > > > Sometimes I realize > > > I was deeeeply asleep. Sometimes I fight to awake and can not... sometimes > > > these concerns > > > make no sense at all... > > > -geo- > > > > > > well actually there is not a mote of difference.. > > > > between what " seems to be " and what is. > > > > there is no " time " between or betwixt the two. > > > > you're only fooling yourself. > > > > " It " is right before your eyes.. > > > > and behind them. > > > > just get out of the Way. > > > > .b b.b. > > no way toombaru that's the one. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > My dish washer flooded my floor this morning. > > > > > > > > I kicked it so hard the door flew off and broke my stove. > > > > > > > > I took the skillet off the stove and tossed it through my sliding > > > > glass > > > > doors. > > > > > > > > The glass shattered into the swimming pool. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > you think you have problems? > > > > > > this morning was no different than any morning here. > > > > > > i awoke years ago and still can't find my " self " . > > > > > > it's actually not a problem.. > > > > > > but it's no solution either. > > > > > > there is none. > > > > > > gotta live with your own death is the guess. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > the self keeps raising > > like a wave > > it can shift perception > > to the forward edge > > and fall into what's next > > > > toombaru > > > > A question. > > Seems clear to me that the shift from shadow to light, from time to > > no-time, > > is a quantum shift. > > Can not be gradual. It is always a new flash. > > a flash > a flash > a flash > a flash > a flash > a flash > > > > > But in the other hand, the imaginary inner center is linked to actual > > organic connections in the brain. > > There is an actual miss-wiring as the result of conditioning. > > Evolution tries infinite combinations.......some work pretty good......some > no so pretty good. > > geo> Yes, as an evolutionary thing in human race. But I mean within one > lifespan. As a centered inner being > the wiring is there - in some particular way, physicaly - and then without > the center, the wiring has changed. > Can that not be gradual? > > > > > This physical miss-wiring is a material process, and I wonder if the > > fixing > > of these connections can > > not be a gradual process? > > -geo- > > > > Within a river.....it is difficult for one whirlpool to study another > whirlpool. > > It is possible just to be aware....and amazed at the spinning of it all. > > toombaru well boys.. there is absolutely nothing to " fix " . ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2009 > > > > > > > the self keeps raising > > > > like a wave > > > > it can shift perception > > > > to the forward edge > > > > and fall into what's next > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > i don't know. > > > > > > mine is gone. > > > > > > there is no next. > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > A personal question. Could/would you identify some kind of graduality > > > as > > > a > > > result of which > > > your " mine is gone " ? Was/is it not a kind of an on/off thing for you? > > > Sometimes I realize > > > I was deeeeply asleep. Sometimes I fight to awake and can not... > > > sometimes > > > these concerns > > > make no sense at all... > > > -geo- > > > > > > well actually there is not a mote of difference.. > > > > between what " seems to be " and what is. > > > > there is no " time " between or betwixt the two. > > > > you're only fooling yourself. > > > > " It " is right before your eyes.. > > > > and behind them. > > > > just get out of the Way. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > no way > > toombaru > > Why do you say that? It is so. > -geo- > There is no way go get out of a prison that exists only in the mind of the prisoner. .........well......there is a way.........but it is not to found in the dream.......and it is not the prisoner that escapes. .....for him......it's a life sentence. " You can get out of here " ......the voice said.... " but you have to leave the little monkey inside " . toombaru Sorry it is not clear....Is your " no way " a desagreement to what bbb is saying? -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > Evolution tries infinite combinations.......some work pretty good......some > > no so pretty good. > > > > geo> Yes, as an evolutionary thing in human race. But I mean within one > > lifespan. As a centered inner being > > the wiring is there - in some particular way, physicaly - and then without > > the center, the wiring has changed. > > Can that not be gradual? > The self's totality is a perceptual dream....from that perspective it is not possible to get an overall view of the dreaming process. > > Something else is needed. > > > > > toombaru it's available for $1.50 + 3 boxtops of Cocoa Puffs. no shipping..or handling. what a deal! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
