Guest guest Report post Posted April 19, 2006 Question; Did you say that Life Itself was your guru? L.E: Yes. Life Itself said that I was already the Absolute Reality and there was nothing more to be done, and I trusted that knowlege and discovered it to be true. Larry Epston Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 20, 2006 In a message dated 4/19/2006 6:12:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time, lastrain writes: > If there is still a 'you' that believes that it is the 'Absolute > Reality'..........it remains caught in the dream. > > It's a nicer dream.......but still a dream. > > > toombaru L.E: Hello again. Nice to have you back. No, there isn't a you that believes that it is the Absolute Reality. Is it still a dream? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 20, 2006 In a message dated 4/19/2006 8:39:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time, lastrain writes: > > You are the dream. > > > > toombaru L.E: Maybe a dream you are in, but I am free from dreaming. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 20, 2006 In a message dated 4/19/2006 8:47:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, lastrain writes: > > I am.......is the dreamer. > > > > toombaru > L.E; There is no I am and no dream. Only Life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 20, 2006 In a message dated 4/19/2006 9:06:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time, lastrain writes: > All there is .........is consciousness. L.E: Agreed, but consciousness has an object where beyond consciousness is awareness which is beyond having an object. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 20, 2006 In a message dated 4/19/2006 9:46:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, illusyn writes: > L.E; There is no I am and no dream. Only Life. > >> > >> > >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > Question; Did you say that Life Itself was your guru? > > L.E: Yes. Life Itself said that I was already the Absolute Reality and there > was nothing more to be done, and I trusted that knowlege and discovered it to > be true. > > Larry Epston > > If there is still a 'you' that believes that it is the 'Absolute Reality'..........it remains caught in the dream. It's a nicer dream.......but still a dream. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 4/19/2006 6:12:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > lastrain writes: > > > If there is still a 'you' that believes that it is the 'Absolute > > Reality'..........it remains caught in the dream. > > > > It's a nicer dream.......but still a dream. > > > > > > toombaru > > L.E: Hello again. Nice to have you back. > > No, there isn't a you that believes that it is the Absolute > Reality. Is it still a dream? > > You are the dream. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 4/19/2006 8:39:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > lastrain writes: > > > > > You are the dream. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > L.E: Maybe a dream you are in, but I am free from dreaming. > I am.......is the dreamer. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 4/19/2006 8:47:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > lastrain writes: > > > > > I am.......is the dreamer. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > L.E; There is no I am and no dream. Only Life. > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > In a message dated 4/19/2006 8:47:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > lastrain@ writes: > > > > > > > > I am.......is the dreamer. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > L.E; There is no I am and no dream. Only Life. > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 4/19/2006 8:47:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > lastrain@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > > I am.......is the dreamer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > L.E; There is no I am and no dream. Only Life. > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 4/19/2006 9:46:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > illusyn writes: > > > L.E; There is no I am and no dream. Only Life. > > >> > > >> > > >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > > > > In a message dated 4/19/2006 8:47:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > > lastrain@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am.......is the dreamer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > L.E; There is no I am and no dream. Only Life. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 20, 2006 In a message dated 4/19/2006 10:20:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, lastrain writes: > he proclamation of the word 'I' precludes that possibility. > > > > > toombaru L.E; It's just a communication device. Don't let it bother you. Who am I referring to when I use the word " you? " Is there anyone there? If the answer is yes, you are mistaken. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 20, 2006 In a message dated 4/19/2006 11:47:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, illusyn writes: > But my question was a natural one. > Larry said there is only Life. > You replied: " all there is... is consciousness " . > > Your comment *seems* to counter what he says, > but it is not clear. Hence I asked. > > I asked not because I wanted to know the " meaning of life " > or such. I just wanted to know *what you meant*. > > > Bill > > > L.E: People who live in closed systems will not let you in, however amusing, > intertaining and interesting are their comments. > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > Question; Did you say that Life Itself was your guru? > > > > L.E: Yes. Life Itself said that I was already the Absolute Reality > and there > > was nothing more to be done, and I trusted that knowlege and > discovered it to > > be true. > > > > Larry Epston > > > > > > > > If there is still a 'you' that believes that it is the 'Absolute > Reality'..........it remains caught in the dream. > > It's a nicer dream.......but still a dream. > > > toombaru good point.... in the " absolute reality " is neither seer, seen nor seeing this absolute reality reflect all kind of names and forms....like a mirror reflect names and forms.... this names and forms Arn't the absolute reality...... the one " who " take this names and forms for " real " ....is having a dream..... this dream is running as long as there is identification with the appearing names and forms......reflected in the mirror of " absolute reality " .... Marc Ps: only in this described " dream " ....there is talk and definition and concept and......about " dreams " Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 20, 2006 I have no idea what a true guru is and how to find one. I just posted >that statement of K. But definitely there are lots of gurus and >teachers arround who will tell they are the true one's or who at >least believe they are. Werner L.E: There are only a few who say they know something of importance compared to those who are ignorant. Don't worry about the 'true guru. " If you are willing to accept a teacher just find someone that knows more than you do. How hard is that? Why not let Niz be your teacher. Just read his books. All the teachers are like steps on a ladder. It's not easy at first to tell which step is higher and which is lower, but just pick a step and begin. And just remember, each teacher is also a student of someone or some thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > > Question; Did you say that Life Itself was your guru? > > > > > > L.E: Yes. Life Itself said that I was already the Absolute > Reality > > and there > > > was nothing more to be done, and I trusted that knowlege and > > discovered it to > > > be true. > > > > > > Larry Epston > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If there is still a 'you' that believes that it is the 'Absolute > > Reality'..........it remains caught in the dream. > > > > It's a nicer dream.......but still a dream. > > > > > > toombaru > > > good point.... > > in the " absolute reality " is neither seer, seen nor seeing > > this absolute reality reflect all kind of names and forms....like a > mirror reflect names and forms.... > > this names and forms Arn't the absolute reality...... > > the one " who " take this names and forms for " real " ....is having a > dream..... > > this dream is running as long as there is identification with the > appearing names and forms......reflected in the mirror of " absolute > reality " .... > > Marc > > Ps: only in this described " dream " ....there is talk and definition > and concept and......about " dreams " and also talk...as i see the recent discussions about " ego " ......there is in this " dream " ....this kind of talk about " ego " .... " ego's " exists in fiction only.....included in more or less nice " dreams " ..... Self is the constant inner...and " silent " voice of liberation.....that let dissolve fictions again....and again until all tendencies and wishes related to this fiction....dissolve Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 20, 2006 The word 'guru' is a discredited word. I believe that the true mening is one who dispels ignorance, not one who adds his ignorance to yours. J.Krishnmurti Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Question; Did you say that Life Itself was your guru? > > > > > > > > L.E: Yes. Life Itself said that I was already the Absolute > > Reality > > > and there > > > > was nothing more to be done, and I trusted that knowlege and > > > discovered it to > > > > be true. > > > > > > > > Larry Epston > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If there is still a 'you' that believes that it is the 'Absolute > > > Reality'..........it remains caught in the dream. > > > > > > It's a nicer dream.......but still a dream. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > good point.... > > > > in the " absolute reality " is neither seer, seen nor seeing > > > > this absolute reality reflect all kind of names and forms....like a > > mirror reflect names and forms.... > > > > this names and forms Arn't the absolute reality...... > > > > the one " who " take this names and forms for " real " ....is having a > > dream..... > > > > this dream is running as long as there is identification with the > > appearing names and forms......reflected in the mirror of " absolute > > reality " .... > > > > Marc > > > > Ps: only in this described " dream " ....there is talk and definition > > and concept and......about " dreams " > > and also talk...as i see the recent discussions > about " ego " ......there is in this " dream " ....this kind of talk > about " ego " .... > > " ego's " exists in fiction only.....included in more or less > nice " dreams " ..... > > Self is the constant inner...and " silent " voice of > liberation.....that let dissolve fictions again....and again > > until all tendencies and wishes related to this fiction....dissolve > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > The word 'guru' is a discredited word. I believe that the true mening > is one who dispels ignorance, not one who adds his ignorance to yours. > > J.Krishnmurti > > > thanks Werner.... so a " true guru " would be an entity which/who lost all ignorance.... and therefore can " share " nothing but truth....... and a " false guru " would be an entity which/who live ignorance...and therefore can " share " nothing but " ignorance " ...... what do you think Guru Werner? Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 20, 2006 In a message dated 4/20/2006 6:15:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time, lissbon2002 writes: > > >Getting a blow on your nose will dispell some ignorance of you nose > >and will also tell some truth about it > > > >Werner > > > In which way will it dispell ignorance? > > Len L.E: As you feel it, you will know it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 20, 2006 Marc, I have no idea what a true guru is and how to find one. I just posted that statement of K. But definitely there are lots of gurus and teachers arround who will tell they are the true one's or who at least believe they are. But there is, if you think about, a difference between dispelling one's ignorance and sharing truth (besides, I don't know what truth is). Getting a blow on your nose will dispell some ignorance of you nose and will also tell some truth about it Werner Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > The word 'guru' is a discredited word. I believe that the true mening > > is one who dispels ignorance, not one who adds his ignorance to yours. > > > > J.Krishnmurti > > > > > > > thanks Werner.... > > so a " true guru " would be an entity which/who lost all ignorance.... > and therefore can " share " nothing but truth....... > > and a " false guru " would be an entity which/who live ignorance...and > therefore can " share " nothing but " ignorance " ...... > > what do you think Guru Werner? > > > Marc > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Marc, > > I have no idea what a true guru is and how to find one. I just posted > that statement of K. But definitely there are lots of gurus and > teachers arround who will tell they are the true one's or who at > least believe they are. > > But there is, if you think about, a difference between dispelling > one's ignorance and sharing truth (besides, I don't know what truth > is). > > Getting a blow on your nose will dispell some ignorance of you nose > and will also tell some truth about it > > Werner > > Hi Werner, oh....this " getting a blow on the nose... " ....there is much of this happening in here recently...... but i don't think that this brought someone out of ignorance..... it seem even that the one's who stay still in the " fight " ....get more convinced about their ignorance (ego)... Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > Getting a blow on your nose will dispell some ignorance of you nose > and will also tell some truth about it > > Werner In which way will it dispell ignorance? Len Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
