Guest guest Report post Posted December 20, 2005 Hi All, Pls see the Photo of God. You will get to see the photo site also. Pls go throuth the site , Your life will changed completely. Ravindra Kittad Tel : 91-022-25812732 Office : 91-022-56621893 --- ravi kittad <cute_ravindra wrote: > Hi, > > However wanted to get the true enlightment pls > access > the following site and you will come to know about > the > Incarnation of Supream Soul. > > Pls see the photo attached. > He is the incarnation of Bhagwan Vishnu...He is the > jesus for Cristian , He is Alla for Muslim and He is > the God of all. > > Pls find the link in which you will get the info > about > the Kalki Avatar- 10th Incarnation of Vishnu. > > > onenessuniversity.org/ > http://www.geocities.com/shvprsd/ - You well see the > miracle of God. > www.livinginjoy.com/gc > www.worldawakening.org > www.kalki.freeservers.com > www.trueawakening.org > www.srikalkikrupadarshan.org > www.havans.org > > Please all of you Guys read the all above site > Go through the Miracle and experiance coulmn > > Ravindra Kittad > > --- Era <n0ndual wrote: > > > ,nondualitysalon > > > > ,gururatings > > > > > > Think that all Phenomema are like dreams > > Message-ID: <dmi6dm+545j (AT) eGroups (DOT) com> > > User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset= " ISO-8859-1 " > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > X-Mailer: Message Poster > > X--Post-IP: 209.240.205.61 > > X--Newman-Property: groups-compose > > Sender: notify > > > > > > > > Think that all Phenomema are like dreams > > > > Now the work starts. Atisha is > > very condensed, seed-like. That > > is the meaning of a sutra; it > > is just like a thread, just a > > hint, and then you have to decode > > it. > > > > " Phenomena " means all that you see, all that you > > experience. All that can e= > > ver be experienced is all phenomena. > > > > Remember, not only are the objects > > of the world phenomena and > > dreams, but also objects of consciousness. They > may > > be > > objects of the world, they may > > be just objects of the mind. > > They may be great spiritual experiences. You may > see > > Kundalini > > rising in you: that too is a phenomenon - a > > beautiful dream, > > a very sweet dream, but it is > > a dream all the same. > > > > You may see great light flooding your being, but > > that light is > > also a phenomenon. You may see lotuses blooming > > inside you and > > a great fragrance arising within > > your being: these too are phenomena, because you > > are > > always the seer and never the > > seen, always the experiencer and > > never the experienced, > > > > always the witness and never the > > witnessed. > > > > > > From The Book of Wisdom, by Osho > > > > > > > > ......... > > love, Era > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection around > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2006 On 5/5/06, OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > > > In my breast, the tender call for Truth, > A song that is dancing on its own, > And yet gives supreme happiness. > Opening up wide for what is beyond... > Why oh why? > > Some actions show no reason. > > Patricia > notice the irony of how since you wrote: Beautiful poem, You write such poems , I don`t write anymore, you have written so many beautiful poems today... seems that freedom from feeling expected to write, to express may have opened up the channels. doing my best to contain This bliss, Bill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2006 --- toombaru2006 <lastrain a écrit : Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > > > In my breast, the tender call for Truth, > A song that is dancing on its own, > And yet gives supreme happiness. > Opening up wide for what is beyond... > Why oh why? > > Some actions show no reason. > > Patricia > > > > All things open. toombaru ....how comforting! ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <illusyn wrote: > > On 5/5/06, OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > > > > > > In my breast, the tender call for Truth, > > A song that is dancing on its own, > > And yet gives supreme happiness. > > Opening up wide for what is beyond... > > Why oh why? > > > > Some actions show no reason. > > > > Patricia > > > > > notice the irony of how since you wrote: > Beautiful poem, > You write such poems , I don`t write anymore, > > you have written so many beautiful poems today... > > seems that freedom from feeling expected to write, > to express may have opened up the channels. > > > doing my best to contain This bliss, > Bill > Don't try to contain it. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > On 5/5/06, OConnor Patricia <gdtige@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > In my breast, the tender call for Truth, > > > A song that is dancing on its own, > > > And yet gives supreme happiness. > > > Opening up wide for what is beyond... > > > Why oh why? > > > > > > Some actions show no reason. > > > > > > Patricia > > > > > > > > > notice the irony of how since you wrote: > > Beautiful poem, > > You write such poems , I don`t write anymore, > > > > you have written so many beautiful poems today... > > > > seems that freedom from feeling expected to write, > > to express may have opened up the channels. > > > > > > doing my best to contain This bliss, > > Bill > > Don't try to contain it. > > toombaru Bottled Bliss From the finest natural sources. Try it Today! your comment is well taken, toomb. though what I wrote there was taking full advantage of Poetic License... so, " doing my best to contain This bliss " roughly translates as, " Wow! " Bill Note: am considering adding a " signature statement " to my messages along the following lines: " As a certified over-the-edge poet I take complete liberty with my inherent perogative of Poetic License. Any attempt to take what is said herein as having meaning in any literal sense and subject to analytic discussion is NOT SUPPORTED and an abuse of the true nature and intent of the content herein as presented under the aegis of the Poetic License rights and standards conventions. " And further, thanks re your inspiration for this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <illusyn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > On 5/5/06, OConnor Patricia <gdtige@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In my breast, the tender call for Truth, > > > > A song that is dancing on its own, > > > > And yet gives supreme happiness. > > > > Opening up wide for what is beyond... > > > > Why oh why? > > > > > > > > Some actions show no reason. > > > > > > > > Patricia > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice the irony of how since you wrote: > > > Beautiful poem, > > > You write such poems , I don`t write anymore, > > > > > > you have written so many beautiful poems today... > > > > > > seems that freedom from feeling expected to write, > > > to express may have opened up the channels. > > > > > > > > > doing my best to contain This bliss, > > > Bill > > > > Don't try to contain it. > > > > toombaru > > Bottled Bliss > From the finest natural sources. > Try it Today! > > > your comment is well taken, toomb. > though what I wrote there was taking > full advantage of Poetic License... > I know Bill. In the falling....one has a tendency to grab onto the words as they shoot past.....but.....they just slow you down. LOL > so, " doing my best to contain This bliss " > roughly translates as, " Wow! " > > Bill > > Note: am considering adding a " signature > statement " to my messages along the following > lines: > > " As a certified over-the-edge poet I take > complete liberty with my inherent perogative > of Poetic License. Any attempt to take what > is said herein as having meaning in any literal > sense and subject to analytic discussion is > NOT SUPPORTED and an abuse of the true nature > and intent of the content herein as presented > under the aegis of the Poetic License rights > and standards conventions. " > > And further, thanks re your inspiration for this. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2006 On 5/6/06, toombaru2006 <lastrain wrote: Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <illusyn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > On 5/5/06, OConnor Patricia <gdtige@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In my breast, the tender call for Truth, > > > > A song that is dancing on its own, > > > > And yet gives supreme happiness. > > > > Opening up wide for what is beyond... > > > > Why oh why? > > > > > > > > Some actions show no reason. > > > > > > > > Patricia > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice the irony of how since you wrote: > > > Beautiful poem, > > > You write such poems , I don`t write anymore, > > > > > > you have written so many beautiful poems today... > > > > > > seems that freedom from feeling expected to write, > > > to express may have opened up the channels. > > > > > > > > > doing my best to contain This bliss, > > > Bill > > > > Don't try to contain it. > > > > toombaru > > Bottled Bliss > From the finest natural sources. > Try it Today! > > > your comment is well taken, toomb. > though what I wrote there was taking > full advantage of Poetic License... > I know Bill. In the falling....one has a tendency to grab onto the words as they shoot past.....but.....they just slow you down. Not sure what you mean by " in the falling... " , though from the various times you have talked about that you seem to mean a " falling away from " an interpretation that is " real world " based. Which seems to me something like " extinction " in a Buddhist sense... which is a kind of death... but certainly not final. It is really just a stage along the way. (at least if I interpret your term aright) At any rate, not everyone " grabs onto " words when they " shoot past " . Just because someone uses words to express something does not mean they are attached to the words. It is very possible to " outflow " some words and then it is over. The words do not have to arise as an expression of a conceptual framework. [1] It can very much *seem like* they must... but usually to the sort of individual for whom " words shooting past " are typically " grabbed onto " . Perhaps you have observed as I have instances on this list where a member is full of righteous convinction that they can assess with certainty the (deluded) mental or consciousness state of the writer of some words. I find that kind of phenomenon basically amusing, though when evidenced by the same individuals ad infinitum it does get rather droll after awhile. Bill [1] The basis for this kind of presumption is that the individual that makes it reads the words and conjures a conceptual framework to match. Then the individual jumps to the conclusion that the conceptual framework they have used to interpret the words is the actual basis for the generation of the words in the first place. That, of course, is to assume too much. It is also to assume too much to assume there is a conceptual framework of *some kind* behind the generation of the words. But that fact is utterly beyond some, even many. Pretty hard to imagine what one has not experienced oneself. > so, " doing my best to contain This bliss " > roughly translates as, " Wow! " > > Bill > > Note: am considering adding a " signature > statement " to my messages along the following > lines: > > " As a certified over-the-edge poet I take > complete liberty with my inherent perogative > of Poetic License. Any attempt to take what > is said herein as having meaning in any literal > sense and subject to analytic discussion is > NOT SUPPORTED and an abuse of the true nature > and intent of the content herein as presented > under the aegis of the Poetic License rights > and standards conventions. " > > And further, thanks re your inspiration for this. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <illusyn wrote: > > On 5/6/06, toombaru2006 <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > On 5/5/06, OConnor Patricia <gdtige@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my breast, the tender call for Truth, > > > > > A song that is dancing on its own, > > > > > And yet gives supreme happiness. > > > > > Opening up wide for what is beyond... > > > > > Why oh why? > > > > > > > > > > Some actions show no reason. > > > > > > > > > > Patricia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice the irony of how since you wrote: > > > > Beautiful poem, > > > > You write such poems , I don`t write anymore, > > > > > > > > you have written so many beautiful poems today... > > > > > > > > seems that freedom from feeling expected to write, > > > > to express may have opened up the channels. > > > > > > > > > > > > doing my best to contain This bliss, > > > > Bill > > > > > > Don't try to contain it. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Bottled Bliss > > From the finest natural sources. > > Try it Today! > > > > > > your comment is well taken, toomb. > > though what I wrote there was taking > > full advantage of Poetic License... > > > > I know Bill. > > In the falling....one has a tendency to grab onto the words as they > shoot past.....but.....they just slow you down. > > > Not sure what you mean by " in the falling... " , though > from the various times you have talked about that > you seem to mean a " falling away from " an interpretation > that is " real world " based. > > Which seems to me something like " extinction " in a Buddhist sense... > which is a kind of death... > but certainly not final. > It is really just a stage along the way. (at least if I interpret your > term aright) > > At any rate, not everyone " grabs onto " words when they " shoot past " . > Just because someone uses words to express something does > not mean they are attached to the words. It is very possible to > " outflow " some words and then it is over. The words do not > have to arise as an expression of a conceptual framework. [1] > It can very much *seem like* they must... but usually to the sort > of individual for whom " words shooting past " are typically " grabbed > onto " . > > Perhaps you have observed as I have instances on this list where > a member is full of righteous convinction that they can assess > with certainty the (deluded) mental or consciousness state > of the writer of some words. > > I find that kind of phenomenon basically amusing, though when > evidenced by the same individuals ad infinitum it does get > rather droll after awhile. > > > Bill > > > [1] The basis for this kind of presumption is that the > individual that makes it reads the words and conjures > a conceptual framework to match. Then the individual > jumps to the conclusion that the conceptual framework > they have used to interpret the words is the actual > basis for the generation of the words in the first place. > That, of course, is to assume too much. It is also to > assume too much to assume there is a conceptual framework > of *some kind* behind the generation of the words. But > that fact is utterly beyond some, even many. Pretty hard > to imagine what one has not experienced oneself. > > > > > > > Especially when 'one' is nothing other then those experiences. :-) toombaru > > > so, " doing my best to contain This bliss " > > roughly translates as, " Wow! " > > > > Bill > > > > Note: am considering adding a " signature > > statement " to my messages along the following > > lines: > > > > " As a certified over-the-edge poet I take > > complete liberty with my inherent perogative > > of Poetic License. Any attempt to take what > > is said herein as having meaning in any literal > > sense and subject to analytic discussion is > > NOT SUPPORTED and an abuse of the true nature > > and intent of the content herein as presented > > under the aegis of the Poetic License rights > > and standards conventions. " > > > > And further, thanks re your inspiration for this. > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > On 5/6/06, toombaru2006 <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " > <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On 5/5/06, OConnor Patricia <gdtige@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my breast, the tender call for Truth, > > > > > > A song that is dancing on its own, > > > > > > And yet gives supreme happiness. > > > > > > Opening up wide for what is beyond... > > > > > > Why oh why? > > > > > > > > > > > > Some actions show no reason. > > > > > > > > > > > > Patricia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice the irony of how since you wrote: > > > > > Beautiful poem, > > > > > You write such poems , I don`t write anymore, > > > > > > > > > > you have written so many beautiful poems today... > > > > > > > > > > seems that freedom from feeling expected to write, > > > > > to express may have opened up the channels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing my best to contain This bliss, > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > Don't try to contain it. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Bottled Bliss > > > From the finest natural sources. > > > Try it Today! > > > > > > > > > your comment is well taken, toomb. > > > though what I wrote there was taking > > > full advantage of Poetic License... > > > > > > > I know Bill. > > > > In the falling....one has a tendency to grab onto the words as they > > shoot past.....but.....they just slow you down. > > > > > > Not sure what you mean by " in the falling... " , though > > from the various times you have talked about that > > you seem to mean a " falling away from " an interpretation > > that is " real world " based. > > > > Which seems to me something like " extinction " in a Buddhist sense... > > which is a kind of death... > > but certainly not final. > > It is really just a stage along the way. (at least if I interpret your > > term aright) > > > > At any rate, not everyone " grabs onto " words when they " shoot past " . > > Just because someone uses words to express something does > > not mean they are attached to the words. It is very possible to > > " outflow " some words and then it is over. The words do not > > have to arise as an expression of a conceptual framework. [1] > > It can very much *seem like* they must... but usually to the sort > > of individual for whom " words shooting past " are typically " grabbed > > onto " . > > > > Perhaps you have observed as I have instances on this list where > > a member is full of righteous convinction that they can assess > > with certainty the (deluded) mental or consciousness state > > of the writer of some words. > > > > I find that kind of phenomenon basically amusing, though when > > evidenced by the same individuals ad infinitum it does get > > rather droll after awhile. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > [1] The basis for this kind of presumption is that the > > individual that makes it reads the words and conjures > > a conceptual framework to match. Then the individual > > jumps to the conclusion that the conceptual framework > > they have used to interpret the words is the actual > > basis for the generation of the words in the first place. > > That, of course, is to assume too much. It is also to > > assume too much to assume there is a conceptual framework > > of *some kind* behind the generation of the words. But > > that fact is utterly beyond some, even many. Pretty hard > > to imagine what one has not experienced oneself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Especially when 'one' is nothing other then those experiences. > > > :-) > > > > toombaru > do you distinguish *an* experience from *experiencing*? I do. There can be experiencing out of which there is no *an* experience. Which is how I see Krishnamurti's notion of " no residue " . Bill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2006 --- pliantheart <illusyn a écrit : Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > On 5/6/06, toombaru2006 <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " > <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On 5/5/06, OConnor Patricia <gdtige@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my breast, the tender call for Truth, > > > > > > A song that is dancing on its own, > > > > > > And yet gives supreme happiness. > > > > > > Opening up wide for what is beyond... > > > > > > Why oh why? > > > > > > > > > > > > Some actions show no reason. > > > > > > > > > > > > Patricia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice the irony of how since you wrote: > > > > > Beautiful poem, > > > > > You write such poems , I don`t write anymore, > > > > > > > > > > you have written so many beautiful poems today... > > > > > > > > > > seems that freedom from feeling expected to write, > > > > > to express may have opened up the channels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing my best to contain This bliss, > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > Don't try to contain it. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Bottled Bliss > > > From the finest natural sources. > > > Try it Today! > > > > > > > > > your comment is well taken, toomb. > > > though what I wrote there was taking > > > full advantage of Poetic License... > > > > > > > I know Bill. > > > > In the falling....one has a tendency to grab onto the words as they > > shoot past.....but.....they just slow you down. > > > > > > Not sure what you mean by " in the falling... " , though > > from the various times you have talked about that > > you seem to mean a " falling away from " an interpretation > > that is " real world " based. > > > > Which seems to me something like " extinction " in a Buddhist sense... > > which is a kind of death... > > but certainly not final. > > It is really just a stage along the way. (at least if I interpret your > > term aright) > > > > At any rate, not everyone " grabs onto " words when they " shoot past " . > > Just because someone uses words to express something does > > not mean they are attached to the words. It is very possible to > > " outflow " some words and then it is over. The words do not > > have to arise as an expression of a conceptual framework. [1] > > It can very much *seem like* they must... but usually to the sort > > of individual for whom " words shooting past " are typically " grabbed > > onto " . > > > > Perhaps you have observed as I have instances on this list where > > a member is full of righteous convinction that they can assess > > with certainty the (deluded) mental or consciousness state > > of the writer of some words. > > > > I find that kind of phenomenon basically amusing, though when > > evidenced by the same individuals ad infinitum it does get > > rather droll after awhile. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > [1] The basis for this kind of presumption is that the > > individual that makes it reads the words and conjures > > a conceptual framework to match. Then the individual > > jumps to the conclusion that the conceptual framework > > they have used to interpret the words is the actual > > basis for the generation of the words in the first place. > > That, of course, is to assume too much. It is also to > > assume too much to assume there is a conceptual framework > > of *some kind* behind the generation of the words. But > > that fact is utterly beyond some, even many. Pretty hard > > to imagine what one has not experienced oneself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Especially when 'one' is nothing other then those experiences. > > > :-) > > > > toombaru > do you distinguish *an* experience from *experiencing*? I do. There can be experiencing out of which there is no *an* experience. Which is how I see Krishnamurti's notion of " no residue " . Bill Falling down of Toombaru.... No residue of Bill.... They seem to go hand in hand. Being <Presence>, being the awaken now, in full bloom, In full awareness, Not made of moments, of time, But one Movement, therefore no residu, and the feeling of <falling( up, or )down> Can`t do such a thing, one just get swept away into Oneself. Patricia. ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > > --- pliantheart <illusyn a écrit : > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " > <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > On 5/6/06, toombaru2006 <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > " pliantheart " <illusyn@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Bill > Rishel " > > <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/5/06, OConnor Patricia <gdtige@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my breast, the tender call for > Truth, > > > > > > > A song that is dancing on its own, > > > > > > > And yet gives supreme happiness. > > > > > > > Opening up wide for what is beyond... > > > > > > > Why oh why? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some actions show no reason. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Patricia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice the irony of how since you wrote: > > > > > > Beautiful poem, > > > > > > You write such poems , I don`t write > anymore, > > > > > > > > > > > > you have written so many beautiful poems > today... > > > > > > > > > > > > seems that freedom from feeling expected > to write, > > > > > > to express may have opened up the > channels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing my best to contain This bliss, > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > Don't try to contain it. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > Bottled Bliss > > > > From the finest natural sources. > > > > Try it Today! > > > > > > > > > > > > your comment is well taken, toomb. > > > > though what I wrote there was taking > > > > full advantage of Poetic License... > > > > > > > > > > I know Bill. > > > > > > In the falling....one has a tendency to grab > onto the words as > they > > > shoot past.....but.....they just slow you > down. > > > > > > > > > Not sure what you mean by " in the falling... " , > though > > > from the various times you have talked about that > > > you seem to mean a " falling away from " an > interpretation > > > that is " real world " based. > > > > > > Which seems to me something like " extinction " in a > Buddhist sense... > > > which is a kind of death... > > > but certainly not final. > > > It is really just a stage along the way. (at least > if I interpret your > > > term aright) > > > > > > At any rate, not everyone " grabs onto " words when > they " shoot past " . > > > Just because someone uses words to express > something does > > > not mean they are attached to the words. It is > very possible to > > > " outflow " some words and then it is over. The > words do not > > > have to arise as an expression of a conceptual > framework. [1] > > > It can very much *seem like* they must... but > usually to the sort > > > of individual for whom " words shooting past " are > typically " grabbed > > > onto " . > > > > > > Perhaps you have observed as I have instances on > this list where > > > a member is full of righteous convinction that > they can assess > > > with certainty the (deluded) mental or > consciousness state > > > of the writer of some words. > > > > > > I find that kind of phenomenon basically amusing, > though when > > > evidenced by the same individuals ad infinitum it > does get > > > rather droll after awhile. > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > [1] The basis for this kind of presumption is that > the > > > individual that makes it reads the words and > conjures > > > a conceptual framework to match. Then the > individual > > > jumps to the conclusion that the conceptual > framework > > > they have used to interpret the words is the > actual > > > basis for the generation of the words in the first > place. > > > That, of course, is to assume too much. It is also > to > > > assume too much to assume there is a conceptual > framework > > > of *some kind* behind the generation of the words. > But > > > that fact is utterly beyond some, even many. > Pretty hard > > > to imagine what one has not experienced oneself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Especially when 'one' is nothing other then those > experiences. > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > do you distinguish *an* experience from > *experiencing*? > > I do. > > There can be experiencing out of which there is no > *an* experience. Which is how I see Krishnamurti's > notion of " no residue " . > > > Bill > > Falling down of Toombaru.... > No residue of Bill.... > They seem to go hand in hand. > Being <Presence>, being the awaken now, in full bloom, > In full awareness, > Not made of moments, of time, > But one Movement, > therefore no residu, and the feeling of <falling( up, > or )down> > Can`t do such a thing, one just get swept away into > Oneself. > > Patricia. > You have this incredible way of expressing where my mind cannot *make sense* of what you say, but I know so perfectly *what you mean*! And how freeing that is... to not have the burden of " making sense " ... And isn't that what Freedom really is? Freedom from the sense-making mechanisms of mind. A burden we do not need to bear. A cost we cannot afford to pay. Bill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 7, 2006 In a message dated 5/6/2006 5:45:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: " Bill Rishel " illusyn Sat May 6, 2006 9:39am(PDT) Re: (unknown) On 5/6/06, toombaru2006 <lastrain wrote: Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <illusyn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > On 5/5/06, OConnor Patricia <gdtige@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In my breast, the tender call for Truth, > > > > A song that is dancing on its own, > > > > And yet gives supreme happiness. > > > > Opening up wide for what is beyond... > > > > Why oh why? > > > > > > > > Some actions show no reason. > > > > > > > > Patricia > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice the irony of how since you wrote: > > > Beautiful poem, > > > You write such poems , I don`t write anymore, > > > > > > you have written so many beautiful poems today... > > > > > > seems that freedom from feeling expected to write, > > > to express may have opened up the channels. > > > > > > > > > doing my best to contain This bliss, > > > Bill > > > > Don't try to contain it. > > > > toombaru > > Bottled Bliss > From the finest natural sources. > Try it Today! > > > your comment is well taken, toomb. > though what I wrote there was taking > full advantage of Poetic License... > I know Bill. In the falling....one has a tendency to grab onto the words as they shoot past.....but.....they just slow you down. Not sure what you mean by " in the falling... " , though from the various times you have talked about that you seem to mean a " falling away from " an interpretation that is " real world " based. Which seems to me something like " extinction " in a Buddhist sense... which is a kind of death... but certainly not final. It is really just a stage along the way. (at least if I interpret your term aright) At any rate, not everyone " grabs onto " words when they " shoot past " . Just because someone uses words to express something does not mean they are attached to the words. It is very possible to " outflow " some words and then it is over. The words do not have to arise as an expression of a conceptual framework. [1] It can very much *seem like* they must... but usually to the sort of individual for whom " words shooting past " are typically " grabbed onto " . Perhaps you have observed as I have instances on this list where a member is full of righteous convinction that they can assess with certainty the (deluded) mental or consciousness state of the writer of some words. I find that kind of phenomenon basically amusing, though when evidenced by the same individuals ad infinitum it does get rather droll after awhile. Bill [1] The basis for this kind of presumption is that the individual that makes it reads the words and conjures a conceptual framework to match. Then the individual jumps to the conclusion that the conceptual framework they have used to interpret the words is the actual basis for the generation of the words in the first place. That, of course, is to assume too much. It is also to assume too much to assume there is a conceptual framework of *some kind* behind the generation of the words. But that fact is utterly beyond some, even many. Pretty hard to imagine what one has not experienced oneself. I'm fascinated by the total absence of conceptualization that leads to the inclusion of footnotes to clarify said nonconceptualization. Re drollness. There seem to be some on this list who have elevated themselves to such lofty heights that I fear my crops may not bear fruit this season unless I continue to amuse, so this I will endeavor to do. Phil Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 7, 2006 --- pliantheart <illusyn a écrit : Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > > --- pliantheart <illusyn a écrit : > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " > <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > On 5/6/06, toombaru2006 <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > " pliantheart " <illusyn@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Bill > Rishel " > > <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/5/06, OConnor Patricia <gdtige@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my breast, the tender call for > Truth, > > > > > > > A song that is dancing on its own, > > > > > > > And yet gives supreme happiness. > > > > > > > Opening up wide for what is beyond... > > > > > > > Why oh why? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some actions show no reason. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Patricia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice the irony of how since you wrote: > > > > > > Beautiful poem, > > > > > > You write such poems , I don`t write > anymore, > > > > > > > > > > > > you have written so many beautiful poems > today... > > > > > > > > > > > > seems that freedom from feeling expected > to write, > > > > > > to express may have opened up the > channels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing my best to contain This bliss, > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > Don't try to contain it. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > Bottled Bliss > > > > From the finest natural sources. > > > > Try it Today! > > > > > > > > > > > > your comment is well taken, toomb. > > > > though what I wrote there was taking > > > > full advantage of Poetic License... > > > > > > > > > > I know Bill. > > > > > > In the falling....one has a tendency to grab > onto the words as > they > > > shoot past.....but.....they just slow you > down. > > > > > > > > > Not sure what you mean by " in the falling... " , > though > > > from the various times you have talked about that > > > you seem to mean a " falling away from " an > interpretation > > > that is " real world " based. > > > > > > Which seems to me something like " extinction " in a > Buddhist sense... > > > which is a kind of death... > > > but certainly not final. > > > It is really just a stage along the way. (at least > if I interpret your > > > term aright) > > > > > > At any rate, not everyone " grabs onto " words when > they " shoot past " . > > > Just because someone uses words to express > something does > > > not mean they are attached to the words. It is > very possible to > > > " outflow " some words and then it is over. The > words do not > > > have to arise as an expression of a conceptual > framework. [1] > > > It can very much *seem like* they must... but > usually to the sort > > > of individual for whom " words shooting past " are > typically " grabbed > > > onto " . > > > > > > Perhaps you have observed as I have instances on > this list where > > > a member is full of righteous convinction that > they can assess > > > with certainty the (deluded) mental or > consciousness state > > > of the writer of some words. > > > > > > I find that kind of phenomenon basically amusing, > though when > > > evidenced by the same individuals ad infinitum it > does get > > > rather droll after awhile. > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > [1] The basis for this kind of presumption is that > the > > > individual that makes it reads the words and > conjures > > > a conceptual framework to match. Then the > individual > > > jumps to the conclusion that the conceptual > framework > > > they have used to interpret the words is the > actual > > > basis for the generation of the words in the first > place. > > > That, of course, is to assume too much. It is also > to > > > assume too much to assume there is a conceptual > framework > > > of *some kind* behind the generation of the words. > But > > > that fact is utterly beyond some, even many. > Pretty hard > > > to imagine what one has not experienced oneself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Especially when 'one' is nothing other then those > experiences. > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > do you distinguish *an* experience from > *experiencing*? > > I do. > > There can be experiencing out of which there is no > *an* experience. Which is how I see Krishnamurti's > notion of " no residue " . > > > Bill > > Falling down of Toombaru.... > No residue of Bill.... > They seem to go hand in hand. > Being <Presence>, being the awaken now, in full bloom, > In full awareness, > Not made of moments, of time, > But one Movement, > therefore no residu, and the feeling of <falling( up, > or )down> > Can`t do such a thing, one just get swept away into > Oneself. > > Patricia. > You have this incredible way of expressing where my mind cannot *make sense* of what you say, but I know so perfectly *what you mean*! And how freeing that is... to not have the burden of " making sense " ... And isn't that what Freedom really is? Freedom from the sense-making mechanisms of mind. A burden we do not need to bear. A cost we cannot afford to pay. Bill Then it isn`t mind food, (since it doesn`t come from there.) Trouble is, beside you and few others, it is cryptique. 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Guest guest Report post Posted May 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > On 5/6/06, toombaru2006 <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " > <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On 5/5/06, OConnor Patricia <gdtige@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my breast, the tender call for Truth, > > > > > > A song that is dancing on its own, > > > > > > And yet gives supreme happiness. > > > > > > Opening up wide for what is beyond... > > > > > > Why oh why? > > > > > > > > > > > > Some actions show no reason. > > > > > > > > > > > > Patricia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice the irony of how since you wrote: > > > > > Beautiful poem, > > > > > You write such poems , I don`t write anymore, > > > > > > > > > > you have written so many beautiful poems today... > > > > > > > > > > seems that freedom from feeling expected to write, > > > > > to express may have opened up the channels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing my best to contain This bliss, > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > Don't try to contain it. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Bottled Bliss > > > From the finest natural sources. > > > Try it Today! > > > > > > > > > your comment is well taken, toomb. > > > though what I wrote there was taking > > > full advantage of Poetic License... > > > > > > > I know Bill. > > > > In the falling....one has a tendency to grab onto the words as they > > shoot past.....but.....they just slow you down. > > > > > > Not sure what you mean by " in the falling... " , though > > from the various times you have talked about that > > you seem to mean a " falling away from " an interpretation > > that is " real world " based. > > > > Which seems to me something like " extinction " in a Buddhist sense... > > which is a kind of death... > > but certainly not final. > > It is really just a stage along the way. (at least if I interpret your > > term aright) > > > > At any rate, not everyone " grabs onto " words when they " shoot past " . > > Just because someone uses words to express something does > > not mean they are attached to the words. It is very possible to > > " outflow " some words and then it is over. The words do not > > have to arise as an expression of a conceptual framework. [1] > > It can very much *seem like* they must... but usually to the sort > > of individual for whom " words shooting past " are typically " grabbed > > onto " . > > > > Perhaps you have observed as I have instances on this list where > > a member is full of righteous convinction that they can assess > > with certainty the (deluded) mental or consciousness state > > of the writer of some words. > > > > I find that kind of phenomenon basically amusing, though when > > evidenced by the same individuals ad infinitum it does get > > rather droll after awhile. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > [1] The basis for this kind of presumption is that the > > individual that makes it reads the words and conjures > > a conceptual framework to match. Then the individual > > jumps to the conclusion that the conceptual framework > > they have used to interpret the words is the actual > > basis for the generation of the words in the first place. > > That, of course, is to assume too much. It is also to > > assume too much to assume there is a conceptual framework > > of *some kind* behind the generation of the words. But > > that fact is utterly beyond some, even many. Pretty hard > > to imagine what one has not experienced oneself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > Never have my comments been addressed to you as a person. > > They all are ruminations within this self-referential-circularity that > is called Me. > > Through the mirror named 'Bill'......something arises......resposnes > appear.....openings happen........and 'I " thank 'you' for that. > > > Your appearance within this bubble seems quite timely indeed. > > > > toombaru > No assumption here that the comments were addressed to " Bill " (as a person or otherwise!) " Your appearance within this bubble seems quite timely indeed. " As a mirror indeed, this reflection of bubbles withing bubbles... and gratitude also... as a deepening of that... to say all just illusion such a cheap escape from something so much deeper than that... and that is the nature of deeperness, is it not? that deeperness can contain ever-more deeperness, can reflect ever-more deeperness and as ever-more deeperness is ever-more richness on and on without end such is life! Bill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 13, 2006 --- pliantheart <illusyn a écrit : Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > On 5/6/06, toombaru2006 <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " > <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On 5/5/06, OConnor Patricia <gdtige@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my breast, the tender call for Truth, > > > > > > A song that is dancing on its own, > > > > > > And yet gives supreme happiness. > > > > > > Opening up wide for what is beyond... > > > > > > Why oh why? > > > > > > > > > > > > Some actions show no reason. > > > > > > > > > > > > Patricia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice the irony of how since you wrote: > > > > > Beautiful poem, > > > > > You write such poems , I don`t write anymore, > > > > > > > > > > you have written so many beautiful poems today... > > > > > > > > > > seems that freedom from feeling expected to write, > > > > > to express may have opened up the channels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing my best to contain This bliss, > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > Don't try to contain it. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Bottled Bliss > > > From the finest natural sources. > > > Try it Today! > > > > > > > > > your comment is well taken, toomb. > > > though what I wrote there was taking > > > full advantage of Poetic License... > > > > > > > I know Bill. > > > > In the falling....one has a tendency to grab onto the words as they > > shoot past.....but.....they just slow you down. > > > > > > Not sure what you mean by " in the falling... " , though > > from the various times you have talked about that > > you seem to mean a " falling away from " an interpretation > > that is " real world " based. > > > > Which seems to me something like " extinction " in a Buddhist sense... > > which is a kind of death... > > but certainly not final. > > It is really just a stage along the way. (at least if I interpret your > > term aright) > > > > At any rate, not everyone " grabs onto " words when they " shoot past " . > > Just because someone uses words to express something does > > not mean they are attached to the words. It is very possible to > > " outflow " some words and then it is over. The words do not > > have to arise as an expression of a conceptual framework. [1] > > It can very much *seem like* they must... but usually to the sort > > of individual for whom " words shooting past " are typically " grabbed > > onto " . > > > > Perhaps you have observed as I have instances on this list where > > a member is full of righteous convinction that they can assess > > with certainty the (deluded) mental or consciousness state > > of the writer of some words. > > > > I find that kind of phenomenon basically amusing, though when > > evidenced by the same individuals ad infinitum it does get > > rather droll after awhile. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > [1] The basis for this kind of presumption is that the > > individual that makes it reads the words and conjures > > a conceptual framework to match. Then the individual > > jumps to the conclusion that the conceptual framework > > they have used to interpret the words is the actual > > basis for the generation of the words in the first place. > > That, of course, is to assume too much. It is also to > > assume too much to assume there is a conceptual framework > > of *some kind* behind the generation of the words. But > > that fact is utterly beyond some, even many. Pretty hard > > to imagine what one has not experienced oneself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > Never have my comments been addressed to you as a person. > > They all are ruminations within this self-referential-circularity that > is called Me. > > Through the mirror named 'Bill'......something arises......resposnes > appear.....openings happen........and 'I " thank 'you' for that. > > > Your appearance within this bubble seems quite timely indeed. > > > > toombaru > No assumption here that the comments were addressed to " Bill " (as a person or otherwise!) " Your appearance within this bubble seems quite timely indeed. " As a mirror indeed, this reflection of bubbles withing bubbles... and gratitude also... as a deepening of that... to say all just illusion such a cheap escape from something so much deeper than that... and that is the nature of deeperness, is it not? that deeperness can contain ever-more deeperness, can reflect ever-more deeperness and as ever-more deeperness is ever-more richness on and on without end such is life! Bill Yours are real worlds, sincere and unveiled. Truly chewed and tasted, Not of high and mighty species, Extanded to us with pure intent, Sharing words that can be reached, Moments of transformed time, Into a timeless friendship. And I thank-you for being reachable, willingly. Patricia ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. 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Guest guest Report post Posted May 24, 2006 In a message dated 5/24/2006 4:49:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time, bigwaaba writes: > > an empty boat > floating in the ocean > dreaming an empty boat floating in the ocean awake and aware Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2006 L.E You are so skilled with asking the questions, how about trying to write out an answer. I'm sure someone so full of questions is also filled to the brim with answers. skywhilds <skywords Nisargadatta Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:25:02 -0000 (unknown) Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > why do human beings make use of the mind all the time ? > why this constant involvement with the mind ? > why this never ending buisness ? > why this interest ? > whats the point ? > ...is there a point ? > > some say there is a point...some say there is not... > some say all is pointless...others that the pointlessness is the > point... > and so on and so...jada jada > > why do human beings look for a point ? > why do they resist one point and hold on to another ? > > take this site...this place...this monitor...those words... > what are we after ? > what are we taking ? > what are we giving ? > who is taking \ giving ? > ...all comes down to this little " who " ...and its buisness > is there a " who " or is it just a mindghost ? > if it is only a fantasy-creature... > then what the (h...) is it(we) are caught up in ? > ...iietsa > so........ ...............what's the answer? ??? ~*~ ______________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 12, 2008 Hi, Diana, a good group indeed! Thanks for coming on board and classing the place up. Bob Sacks gets the credit for getting it up and running, then along comes Cliff Shack and I yakking up a storm and getting the sparks aflyin' until Bob just shakes his head and wonders what he's done. So tell us what you think, believe, know, hope, dream, tell us what would make your universe perfect and complete. I'm always looking for answers; questions I already have aplenty... - Diana Hunter<solomagick realization <realization > Saturday, January 12, 2008 3:51 AM (unknown) Hello, I'm new to this group. I hope to learn some possitive things here. I may not write right away, but I will be reading with an opened mind. Thanks for the invite, Solomagick . . . Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 21, 2008 In a message dated 10/21/2008 2:27:28 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, yohansky writes: ---** Nothing can be known and yet this can be known. Even more odderer is that Truth is already known, and this can be known even without realizing that Truth. Mind is a wacky deal. New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News more. Try it out! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 31, 2009 :-) I dont know if anyone here hv met Niz.But i happen 2 meet many who had been with HIM for years. http://abideinself.blogspot.com/ paolo.quarantelli <paolo.quarantelliNisargadatta Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 6:29:26 PM (unknown) hi everybody, has someone in this forum physically met Shree Nisargadatta? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 14, 2009 , Prasanth Jalasutram <jvrsprasanth wrote: Everyone of us are equal and travelling in the same boat and we all are one and the same. Just wanted to add ramana maharshi's opinions about What is right and What is wrong<http://prashantaboutindia.blogspot.com/2009/06/ramana-maharshi-about-what-\ is-right-and.html> Q: If it is a question of doing something one considers wrong, and thereby saving someone else from a great wrong, should one do it or refrain? Bhagavan: What is right and wrong? There is no standard by which to judge something to be right another to be wrong. Opinions differ according to the nature of the individual and according to the surroundings. They are again ideas and nothing more. Do not worry about them. But get rid of thoughts. If you always remain in the right, then right will prevail in the world. When asked for further elucidation Sri Bhagavan then pointed out that to see wrong in another is one's own wrong. The discrimination between right and wrong is the origin of sin. One's own sin is reflected outside and the individual in ignorance superimposes it on another. The best course for one is to reach the state in which such discrimination does not arise. Do you see wrong or right in your sleep? Be asleep even in the wakeful state, abide as the Self and remain uncontaminated by what goes on around. Moreover, however much you might advise them, your hearers may not rectify themselves. Be in the right yourself and remain silent. Your silence will have more effect than your words or deeds. Source: The Teachings of Ramana Maharshi edited by Arthur Osborne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
