Guest guest Report post Posted May 2, 2002 At 09:52 AM 5/2/2002, you wrote: skydancer wrote: > > > **** Exactly! People living in denial and trying to escape > their own > suffering > instead of taking responsibility and facing what they are > actually doing > themselves - head-on. The *greed* of separateness. *That* is > the cause > of war! > > Judi > How do we reconcile the various aspects of ourselves, at a > time when we are so dreadfully divided against ourselves ? *** Stop looking for eutopia and trying to be somebody that you're not and understand what you're doing instead. Seeking/suffering/separate identity are one and the same. In other words, stop trying to be happy and looking for the ever elusive love or vision or whatever, by whatever " jerking-yourself off " means, and undermine/understand that entire business instead. It is searching/seeking/suffering only, and you're mis-identified with it thinking that it's *you*. Freedom is in understanding/transcendence of playing with yourself. Judi Hi Judi: In Freedom, there is no self to understand or misunderstand. To be free of the condition of thought you must first allow yourself to think. To be knowing, not one who knows, you must allow yourself to perceive, feel, let all the gunk up to the surface without blaming it on your past, present, future, another person, place or thing. Just have the courage to be still and let the body mind sensations come to you. What is revealed is worth more than all the goals and dreams you could ever imagine. Be Still And Know. Love, Michael --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release 4/19/2002 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 2, 2002 Leo King wrote: > > And here's a picture of my sweetheart son Michael who's been deployed > overseas now putting his ass on the line to help save the world from > the > goddamn " spiritual " idiots! > > On your knees all you little sick bastards! And you know who you are. > > For shame! > > Judi > The Psychological and Spiritual Aspects of Group Conflict crucial of > problems facing mankind today -- this rejection in ourselves, in > society, in > civilization. In some way, we must come to terms with the rejected > aspects > of our lives, or the result will be another disaster. Unless we do > this, we > will continue to project our own self-rejection onto the life around > us. We > will continue to blame other persons, societies, nations and races for > that > in ourselves which we fear. This projected animosity, multiplied among > us, > leads to the strife that ends in hate, violence and, eventually, to > war. > > **** Exactly! People living in denial and trying to escape their own suffering instead of taking responsibility and facing what they are actually doing themselves - head-on. The *greed* of separateness. *That* is the cause of war! Judi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 2, 2002 skydancer wrote: > > > **** Exactly! People living in denial and trying to escape > their own > suffering > instead of taking responsibility and facing what they are > actually doing > themselves - head-on. The *greed* of separateness. *That* is > the cause > of war! > > Judi > How do we reconcile the various aspects of ourselves, at a > time when we are so dreadfully divided against ourselves ? *** Stop looking for eutopia and trying to be somebody that you're not and understand what you're doing instead. Seeking/suffering/separate identity are one and the same. In other words, stop trying to be happy and looking for the ever elusive love or vision or whatever, by whatever " jerking-yourself off " means, and undermine/understand that entire business instead. It is searching/seeking/suffering only, and you're mis-identified with it thinking that it's *you*. Freedom is in understanding/transcendence of playing with yourself. Judi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 2, 2002 At 11:45 AM 5/2/2002, you wrote: Michael wrote: > > At 09:52 AM 5/2/2002, you wrote: > > skydancer wrote: > > > > > > **** Exactly! People living in denial and trying to > escape > > their own > > suffering > > instead of taking responsibility and facing what they > are > > actually doing > > themselves - head-on. The *greed* of separateness. > *That* is > > the cause > > of war! > > > > Judi > > How do we reconcile the various aspects of ourselves, > at a > > time when we are so dreadfully divided against > ourselves ? > > *** Stop looking for eutopia and trying to be somebody that > you're not > and understand what you're doing instead. > Seeking/suffering/separate > identity are one and the same. > In other words, stop trying to be happy and looking for the > ever elusive > love or vision or whatever, by whatever " jerking-yourself > off " means, > and undermine/understand that entire business instead. It is > searching/seeking/suffering only, and you're mis-identified > with it > thinking that it's *you*. Freedom is in > understanding/transcendence of > playing with yourself. > > Judi > > Hi Judi: > > In Freedom, there is no self to understand or misunderstand. > > To be free of the condition of thought you must first allow > yourself to think. > > To be knowing, not one who knows, you must allow yourself > to perceive, feel, let all the gunk up to the surface without blaming > it on your past, present, future, another person, place or thing. > > Just have the courage to be still and let the body mind sensations > come to you. What is revealed is worth more than all the goals > and dreams you could ever imagine. > > Be Still And Know. > > Love, > > Michael **** yeah, yeah, yeah, save the bullshit would ya? :-) You just keep it up and keep it up , don't ya? Judi Now Judi: Keep it up !! You didn't have to get personal :-) Love, Michael --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release 4/19/2002 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 2, 2002 Michael wrote: > > At 09:52 AM 5/2/2002, you wrote: > > skydancer wrote: > > > > > > **** Exactly! People living in denial and trying to > escape > > their own > > suffering > > instead of taking responsibility and facing what they > are > > actually doing > > themselves - head-on. The *greed* of separateness. > *That* is > > the cause > > of war! > > > > Judi > > How do we reconcile the various aspects of ourselves, > at a > > time when we are so dreadfully divided against > ourselves ? > > *** Stop looking for eutopia and trying to be somebody that > you're not > and understand what you're doing instead. > Seeking/suffering/separate > identity are one and the same. > In other words, stop trying to be happy and looking for the > ever elusive > love or vision or whatever, by whatever " jerking-yourself > off " means, > and undermine/understand that entire business instead. It is > searching/seeking/suffering only, and you're mis-identified > with it > thinking that it's *you*. Freedom is in > understanding/transcendence of > playing with yourself. > > Judi > > Hi Judi: > > In Freedom, there is no self to understand or misunderstand. > > To be free of the condition of thought you must first allow > yourself to think. > > To be knowing, not one who knows, you must allow yourself > to perceive, feel, let all the gunk up to the surface without blaming > it on your past, present, future, another person, place or thing. > > Just have the courage to be still and let the body mind sensations > come to you. What is revealed is worth more than all the goals > and dreams you could ever imagine. > > Be Still And Know. > > Love, > > Michael **** yeah, yeah, yeah, save the bullshit would ya? :-) You just keep it up and keep it up , don't ya? Judi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 2, 2002 Judi Rhodes wrote: > > Michael wrote: > > > > At 09:52 AM 5/2/2002, you wrote: > > > > skydancer wrote: > > > > > > > > > **** Exactly! People living in denial and trying to > > escape > > > their own > > > suffering > > > instead of taking responsibility and facing what they > > are > > > actually doing > > > themselves - head-on. The *greed* of separateness. > > *That* is > > > the cause > > > of war! > > > > > > Judi > > > How do we reconcile the various aspects of ourselves, > > at a > > > time when we are so dreadfully divided against > > ourselves ? > > > > *** Stop looking for eutopia and trying to be somebody that > > you're not > > and understand what you're doing instead. > > Seeking/suffering/separate > > identity are one and the same. > > In other words, stop trying to be happy and looking for the > > ever elusive > > love or vision or whatever, by whatever " jerking-yourself > > off " means, > > and undermine/understand that entire business instead. It is > > searching/seeking/suffering only, and you're mis-identified > > with it > > thinking that it's *you*. Freedom is in > > understanding/transcendence of > > playing with yourself. > > > > Judi > > > > Hi Judi: > > > > In Freedom, there is no self to understand or misunderstand. > > > > To be free of the condition of thought you must first allow > > yourself to think. > > > > To be knowing, not one who knows, you must allow yourself > > to perceive, feel, let all the gunk up to the surface without > blaming > > it on your past, present, future, another person, place or thing. > > > > Just have the courage to be still and let the body mind sensations > > come to you. What is revealed is worth more than all the goals > > and dreams you could ever imagine. > > > > Be Still And Know. > > > > Love, > > > > Michael > > **** yeah, yeah, yeah, save the bullshit would ya? :-) > You just keep it up and keep it up , don't ya? > > Judi > *** I mean, can't you see that who you are is nothing but a constant stream of propping up bullshit of you continaully talking to yourself? That's identity my friend. That's all *you* amount to. Judi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 2, 2002 Michael wrote: > > At 11:45 AM 5/2/2002, you wrote: > > Michael wrote: > > > > At 09:52 AM 5/2/2002, you wrote: > > > > skydancer wrote: > > > > > > > > > **** Exactly! People living in denial and > trying to > > escape > > > their own > > > suffering > > > instead of taking responsibility and facing > what they > > are > > > actually doing > > > themselves - head-on. The *greed* of > separateness. > > *That* is > > > the cause > > > of war! > > > > > > Judi > > > How do we reconcile the various aspects of > ourselves, > > at a > > > time when we are so dreadfully divided against > > ourselves ? > > > > *** Stop looking for eutopia and trying to be > somebody that > > you're not > > and understand what you're doing instead. > > Seeking/suffering/separate > > identity are one and the same. > > In other words, stop trying to be happy and looking > for the > > ever elusive > > love or vision or whatever, by whatever > " jerking-yourself > > off " means, > > and undermine/understand that entire business > instead. It is > > searching/seeking/suffering only, and you're > mis-identified > > with it > > thinking that it's *you*. Freedom is in > > understanding/transcendence of > > playing with yourself. > > > > Judi > > > > Hi Judi: > > > > In Freedom, there is no self to understand or > misunderstand. > > > > To be free of the condition of thought you must first > allow > > yourself to think. > > > > To be knowing, not one who knows, you must allow yourself > > to perceive, feel, let all the gunk up to the surface > without blaming > > it on your past, present, future, another person, place or > thing. > > > > Just have the courage to be still and let the body mind > sensations > > come to you. What is revealed is worth more than all the > goals > > and dreams you could ever imagine. > > > > Be Still And Know. > > > > Love, > > > > Michael > > **** yeah, yeah, yeah, save the bullshit would ya? :-) > You just keep it up and keep it up , don't ya? > > Judi > > Now Judi: > > Keep it up !! > > You didn't have to get personal :-) > > Love, > > Michael > **** Well it must be your lucky day. :-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 2, 2002 Yes. Seeing/understanding oneself involves knowing/understanding the world, involves a real clear look at the entire deal. Real clear -- no utopia, no perfect loving vision -- just the way it is ... There isn't any " my " suffering that is separated from everything that is going on ... -- Dan > > *** Stop looking for eutopia and trying to be somebody that you're not > and understand what you're doing instead. Seeking/suffering/separate > identity are one and the same. > In other words, stop trying to be happy and looking for the ever elusive > love or vision or whatever, by whatever " jerking-yourself off " means, > and undermine/understand that entire business instead. It is > searching/seeking/suffering only, and you're mis-identified with it > thinking that it's *you*. Freedom is in understanding/transcendence of > playing with yourself. > > Judi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 2, 2002 Nisargadatta, " skydancer " <skydancer@n...> wrote: > > Well I am not suffering. > I just accept it all the way it is > and I can turn on joy and bliss > like a switch > just jump in to the lake and swim > > and it doesn't involve lookin at the world at all For me, not looking at the world isn't the same thing as having no world. Nor is turning on joy and bliss the same thing as accepting the world as is, by virtue of being all as is. As you are the world, you are the universe -- you are what is beyond the universe. You don't see what you are. You have no world because you are all. -- Dan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2002 All happens as it needs, yet nothing happens. I do what seems to be necessary, but at the same time I know that nothing is necessary, that life itself is only a make-belief. elf rode her bicyle fast down the tunnel. Mind out the way yelled elf, mind out the way mister moles coz i are comin faster than fasters... elf pedalled faster and faster and sailed out of the bunny hole grinnin very shtronglie. I are not beed hearin a lot of natters at naggis farn so i bringed more samidges wiv jellies in elf unpacked all her breds and laid them neat and tidy on the tadle. Hmmm dood you want one of mine wisdons inside me. . Now let me seed elf peeled off her socks lookin for a wisdon.. then searched through her boots, into all her pockets but she did not find one. I'll dood one of my channelins then.. elf crossed her legs taked a big bite of cherri babies. and closed he eyes munchin fast.. then her ears started to wriggle, rotatin slowly, and listenin shtrong.. who are there yelled elf.. who are there waitin to had a telled.. The only antidote for the misuse of psychic powers is love; otherwise all power corrupts. It may be wealth, it may be prestige, it may be politics, or it may be psychic--it makes no difference. Whenever you feel powerful, if you don't have love as an antidote your power is going to become a calamity to others, a curse; because power blinds the eyes. Love opens the eyes, love cleanses the eyes... your perception becomes clear LAUNCH - Your Music Experience Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 1, 2002 ) Leo King wrote:> > And here's a picture of my sweetheart son Michael who's been deployed> overseas now putting his ass on the line to help save the world from> the> goddamn "spiritual" idiots!> > On your knees all you little sick bastards! And you know who you are.> > For shame!> > Judi> The Psychological and Spiritual Aspects of Group Conflict crucial of> problems facing mankind today -- this rejection in ourselves, in> society, in> civilization. In some way, we must come to terms with the rejected> aspects> of our lives, or the result will be another disaster. Unless we do> this, we> will continue to project our own self-rejection onto the life around> us. We> will continue to blame other persons, societies, nations and races for> that> in ourselves which we fear. This projected animosity, multiplied among> us,> leads to the strife that ends in hate, violence and, eventually, to> war.> >**** Exactly! People living in denial and trying to escape their ownsufferinginstead of taking responsibility and facing what they are actually doingthemselves - head-on. The *greed* of separateness. *That* is the causeof war! Judi How do we reconcile the various aspects of ourselves, at a time when we are so dreadfully divided against ourselves ? I think it is the prevailing decline, the decadence of the spirit and intellect of our age. What is the split, the fateful split? People will not see that at some point the spirit becomes thinking, thinking becomes behavior, behavior becomes action. Again, it is because there is this gap between the natural instinctive person and the extremely cold, calculating, materialistic person we have made of ourselves. It is of the utmost importance that the gap be closed. But, the moment you close that gap the chances are you will be in a state of profound revolution, not in the Marxist sense, but in the New Testament sense. You will be a revolutionary example and you will be utterly at home, because you will have that feeling of belonging. The great need of our time is somehow to get rid of the pretence, this awful secrecy in life, where people profess to be one thing and live another. Somehow that has to be brought out in the open, so that we will stop pushing the natural part of ourselves into a corner. What is it in our time, in our age, that we particularly reject But we must face up first of all to what it is in ourselves that we reject that makes us reject a person who mirrors our own rejection in the outer world There comes a moment in the history of the world when you have to come to terms with yourself in order to be a complete person, to be a complete society, to be an integrated society. You have to come to terms with what you've rejected. You have to bring that up and take it in. And that is why we are frightened -- the day of reckoning must come. We are frightened because we might feel too free. Heaven knows what we are going to do next when we let life in on that scale. We might even stop going into Parliament! One might just like to sit in the sun all day. One might become so natural he might love everybody. It would be disastrous. So we push it, we fight it, we push it away all the time In each of us there is a transcendent image that can reconcile these opposites; bring them together and make it possible us to move on again. This is the phase at which we stand today. This is the opening, and I think it is a turning point in the history of the human mind. This is the facing up to the mechanism of rejection in ourselves, the realization that the thing we reject in order to become what we are, unless we meet it as a friend, comes one day knife in hand, demanding to sacrifice that which sacrificed it. That is an absolute law. That is how it works, whether we like or not. That is how it works in us, how it works in groups, how it works in the world. We have had disastrous illustrations of it from time to time, particularly in this generation in which we live. Twice already have we seen the sacrificed aspects coming knife in band, being dealt with by foul means because we would not deal with by fair Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 1, 2002 Hmmm... whats this skydamcer wrote skydancer wrote:> >> **** Exactly! People living in denial and trying to escape> their own> suffering> instead of taking responsibility and facing what they are> actually doing> themselves - head-on. The *greed* of separateness. *That* is> the cause> of war!> > Judi !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ............................................... that was not this universal centre, note the very nanes at the botton.. well its coz i are needin a bit of ego crucifixtion odviously > How do we reconcile the various aspects of ourselves, at a> time when we are so dreadfully divided against ourselves ?*** Stop looking for eutopia and trying to be somebody that you're notand understand what you're doing instead. Seeking/suffering/separateidentity are one and the same.In other words, stop trying to be happy and looking for the ever elusivelove or vision or whatever, by whatever "jerking-yourself off" means,and undermine/understand that entire business instead. It issearching/seeking/suffering only, and you're mis-identified with itthinking that it's *you*. Freedom is in understanding/transcendence ofplaying with yourself.Judi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 1, 2002 Judi I don't think you have any idea whatsover who you are talking to.. your conversation makes that patently obvious.. all i can deduce is that you are really always refering to your self *** Stop looking for eutopia and trying to be somebody that you're notand understand what you're doing instead. Seeking/suffering/separateidentity are one and the same. In other words, stop trying to be happy and looking for the ever elusivelove or vision or whatever, by whatever "jerking-yourself off" means,and undermine/understand that entire business instead. It issearching/seeking/suffering only, and you're mis-identified with itthinking that it's *you*. Freedom is in understanding/transcendence ofplaying with yourself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 1, 2002 and I shall just add.. own it.. its yours, it belongs to you..own it.. your seeking your suffering and your separate identity are one and the same.. You stop trying to be happy and looking for that ever elusive love or vision or whatever.. because you are projecting all your bullshit onto everyone around you.. Its yours.. own it May you find peace bliss.. love and joy soon Love Judi I don't think you have any idea whatsover who you are talking to.. your conversation makes that patently obvious.. all i can deduce is that you are really always refering to your self *** Stop looking for eutopia and trying to be somebody that you're notand understand what you're doing instead. Seeking/suffering/separateidentity are one and the same. In other words, stop trying to be happy and looking for the ever elusivelove or vision or whatever, by whatever "jerking-yourself off" means,and undermine/understand that entire business instead. It issearching/seeking/suffering only, and you're mis-identified with itthinking that it's *you*. Freedom is in understanding/transcendence ofplaying with yourself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 1, 2002 Well I am not suffering. I just accept it all the way it is and I can turn on joy and bliss like a switch just jump in to the lake and swim and it doesn't involve lookin at the world at all Re: (unknown) Yes.Seeing/understanding oneself involvesknowing/understanding the world, involves a real clear look at the entire deal.Real clear -- no utopia, noperfect loving vision -- just the way it is ...There isn't any "my" sufferingthat is separated from everything that is going on ...-- Dan> > *** Stop looking for eutopia and trying to be somebody that you're not> and understand what you're doing instead. Seeking/suffering/separate> identity are one and the same.> In other words, stop trying to be happy and looking for the ever elusive> love or vision or whatever, by whatever "jerking-yourself off" means,> and undermine/understand that entire business instead. It is> searching/seeking/suffering only, and you're mis-identified with it> thinking that it's *you*. Freedom is in understanding/transcendence of> playing with yourself.> > Judi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 13, 2002 Mail me when the multiple-orgasm comes to an end and the erection subsides. ------ Anand. ---------------- dear ALL, I found what I was looking for and for this I want to thank YOU all: for your input for your creation the grace of the cyber-spirit, because that is what made this light possible for me. Around nine month ago around 9/11 I got on line that is when I had kundalini quickening accompanied with pain inside my spine with excruciating force around my neck and heart, and confusion about what happened to me. The answer was under my nose since I'm practicing yoga a long long time, among them Kundalini in the eighties, but it was hidden from me; sounds familiar? --as it is the case most of the time. I'm trained in Sant Mat have a SatGuru, but I didn't turn to any of " dear ones " , I know their answer is just keep on meditating, keep simran, stay at third-eye, but non of these were possible for me. What I found is this is the jivanadi aka AMRITNADI, Ramana, my HEART and I hope I'll be able to live there. Thank you ALTON, you are the only person I correspond regularly in private with and you are the one who called my attention to the non-dual to the Ramana thought, THANK YOU, GOD BLESS! ~with love and compassion~ ______________________ Everything you always wanted to know about cars and bikes,now at: http://in.autos. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 16, 2002 Nisargadatta, Anand Eswaran <anandesw> wrote: > Mail me when the multiple-orgasm comes to an end and > the erection subsides. > > ------ > Anand. > > > > > ------------Why? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 4, 2002 Yes, and true love is absolutely choiceless! Who is there to choose/what is there to choose from ? --- dan330033 <dan330033 wrote: <HR> <html><body> <tt> Love has forgotten to bring a wall.<BR> <BR> There is no space when love meets someone,<BR> & nbsp; to grab for an image and expectation.<BR> <BR> Love doesn't draw back, to react nor manipulate.<BR> <BR> Breathe in a new day.<BR> <BR> This is love.<BR> <BR> -- D.<BR> <BR> <BR> Nisargadatta, eilean low & lt;eileanlow & gt; wrote:<BR> & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; Love will arise in your heartwhen you have no barrier between <BR> yourself and another,when you meet and observe people without judging <BR> them,when you just see the sailboat on the river and enjoy the beauty <BR> of it. & nbsp; <BR> & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbs\ p; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp;\ & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; ~ Krishnamurti<BR> & gt; <BR> & gt; <BR> & gt; <BR> & gt; Relive the FIFA World Cup goals with exclusive video highlights!<BR> & gt; <BR> & gt; <a href= " http://fifaworldcup./fc/en " >http://fifaworldcup./fc/en</\ a><BR> <BR> </tt> <br> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2> <tr bgcolor=#FFFFCC> <td align=center><font size= " -1 " color=#003399><b> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 4, 2002 Yes, ...~~~true~~~ love is absolutely choiceless! Anand Yes, ...~~~false~~~ love is absolutely choiceless! ie. dog running after bitch in heat El Who is there to choose.... Anand It is all one movement-less movement. El ---------------------- Nisargadatta, Anand Eswaran <anandesw> wrote: > > > Yes, and true love is absolutely choiceless! Who is > there to choose/what is there to choose from ? > > > > > --- dan330033 <dan330033> wrote: > <HR> > <html><body> > > > <tt> > Love has forgotten to bring a wall.<BR> > <BR> > There is no space when love meets someone,<BR> > & nbsp; to grab for an image and expectation.<BR> > <BR> > Love doesn't draw back, to react nor manipulate.<BR> > <BR> > Breathe in a new day.<BR> > <BR> > This is love.<BR> > <BR> > -- D.<BR> > <BR> > <BR> > Nisargadatta, eilean low > eileanlow wrote:<BR> > & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; Love will arise in your heartwhen you > have no barrier between <BR> > yourself and another,when you meet and observe people > without judging <BR> > them,when you just see the sailboat on the river and > enjoy the beauty <BR> > of it. & nbsp; <BR> > & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & n bsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & n bsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & n bsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; > ~ Krishnamurti<BR> > & gt; <BR> > & gt; <BR> > & gt; <BR> > & gt; Relive the FIFA World Cup goals with exclusive > video highlights!<BR> > & gt; <BR> > & gt; <a > href= " http://fifaworldcup./fc/en " >http://fifaworldcup.yah oo.com/fc/en</a><BR> > <BR> > </tt> > > <br> > > <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> > > <table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2> > <tr bgcolor=#FFFFCC> > <td align=center><font size= " -1 " > color=#003399><b> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 5, 2002 >Yes, ...~~~false~~~ love is absolutely >choiceless! ie. dog running after bitch in heat >El OK correction : love is choiceless! And is a dog pursuing a btch in heat very different from a seeker pursuing THAT, I wonder! >Who is there to choose.... >Anand Anand who? So long as an El exists , so does an Anand in her world , but only so long as she persists! >It is all one movement-less movement. >El - And hence neither a movement nor non-movement. ---- Anand. ______________________ Want to sell your car? advertise on Autos Classifieds. It's Free!! visit http://in.autos. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 5, 2002 Nisargadatta, Anand Eswaran <anandesw> wrote: > > > Yes, and true love is absolutely choiceless! Who is > there to choose/what is there to choose from ? Love holds nothing apart, so it brings no wall and no judgments. With nothing held apart, how could there be a chooser existing apart? I am fully " embraced " by/as totality, so much so that no separable I ever is. Even " terrible " thoughts and feelings of separation are fully embraced, far more than " I " 'll ever know. I, who think to exist as a chooser, cannot be found to exist, nor can what I am trying to choose be real. So, " I " can never know the fullness of this embrace, in which there is no separation between that which embraces, that which is embraced, and the embracing. Call it " love, " insofar as human words will do, that is worth a try :-) -- Dan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 6, 2002 Those are possibly as close as words could get to " describe " LOVE. But there is still a gap so deep that the mind cannot transcend ! ---- Anand. Love holds nothing apart, so it brings no wall and no judgments. With nothing held apart, how could there be a chooser existing apart? I am fully " embraced " by/as totality, so much so that no separable I ever is. Even " terrible " thoughts and feelings of separation are fully embraced, far more than " I " 'll ever know. I, who think to exist as a chooser, cannot be found to exist, nor can what I am trying to choose be real. So, " I " can never know the fullness of this embrace, in which there is no separation between that which embraces, that which is embraced, and the embracing. Call it " love, " insofar as human words will do, that is worth a try :-) -- Dan ______________________ Want to sell your car? advertise on Autos Classifieds. It's Free!! visit http://in.autos. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 7, 2002 Nisargadatta, Anand Eswaran <anandesw> wrote: > Those are possibly as close as words could get to > " describe " LOVE. > > But there is still a gap so deep that the mind > cannot transcend ! > > ---- > Anand. That there is nothing out of place, isn't to be known by the mind. Yet, even the mind, which never has had a place, isn't out of place. That nothing is out of place, is love. -- Dan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 3, 2002 - ariel cathcart nisargadatta Monday, September 02, 2002 6:09 PM (unknown) you know the more time that i spend just sitting withmy thoughts it seems that there is nothimg whatsoeverof value going on there,mmm ariel****** Ha! :-) Ram Tzu knows this... You're willing to take limitless blame, so long as you can keep getting a little credit! Ha! Happy Days,Judi http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/judi-1.htmTheEndOfTheRopeRanch/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 3, 2002 so no blame no credit ,happy days thanks judi --- Judi Rhodes <judirhodes wrote: > > - > ariel cathcart > nisargadatta > Monday, September 02, 2002 6:09 PM > (unknown) > > > you know the more time that i spend just sitting > with > my thoughts it seems that there is nothimg > whatsoever > of value going on there,mmm ariel > > ****** Ha! :-) > > Ram Tzu knows this... > > You're willing to take limitless blame, > so long as you can keep getting a little credit! > > Ha! > > > Happy Days, > Judi > > http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/judi-1.htm > > TheEndOfTheRopeRanch/ > > > > > > > > http://mobile..au - Messenger for SMS - Now send & receive IMs on your mobile via SMS Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
