Guest guest Report post Posted September 6, 2002 Nisargadatta, " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: >And get out to the garden to say hi to the ferns -- we are very frond of you! ))) Dear Danji, Mazie took a a small concrete patio (7' x 7'), bordered by an L- shaped bit of thin hard dried-out dirt (approx. 3' wide x 7' long strips at right angles), and in 3 months has transformed it into a garden of Allah. as soon as we get the scanner fixed we'll send pics. when we sit out there now, many blissful beings come to share inter- active darshan. at night, the sky pauses in its arcing whirl for a pit-stop at the patio. it tries to be quiet and unobtrusive, but we nod to each other in recognition -- watching, burning. LoveAlways, b Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 6, 2002 Nisargadatta, " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: >I've counselled people who were grief stricken ... ))) they were fortunate to be brought to you. LoveAlways, Mazie & b Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2002 Nisargadatta, " hrtbeat7 " <hrtbeat7> wrote: > Nisargadatta, " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > >And get out to the garden to say hi > to the ferns -- we are very > frond of you! > > > ))) Dear Danji, > > Mazie took a a small concrete patio (7' x 7'), bordered by an L- > shaped bit of thin hard dried-out dirt (approx. 3' wide x 7' long > strips at right angles), and in 3 months has transformed it into a > garden of Allah. as soon as we get the scanner fixed we'll send pics. > when we sit out there now, many blissful beings come to share inter- > active darshan. at night, the sky pauses in its arcing whirl for a > pit-stop at the patio. it tries to be quiet and unobtrusive, but we > nod to each other in recognition -- watching, burning. > > LoveAlways, > > b Way cool and most excellent ... Alloveways, Dan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 7, 2002 Another good story Mark! Great line: " Why is it that in our youth we can travel without leaving a footprint and in our adult years we...feel that leaving footprints is the purpose of life. " -Bill [] Thursday, November 07, 2002 6:42 AM Nisargadatta (unknown) When I was in my adolescent years, I would sneak out of my father's house late at night. I would generally catch the last bus to Billings Bridge shopping mall and make my way south to the donut-shop in order to meet my other friends brave enough to risk the wrath of their parents if they were found out. (When I was found out, the wrath was horrible I assure you). My friends and I would meet at the donut shop, smoke cigarettes and enjoy our self-created freedom. Then we would vandalize the neighbourhood and steal money and other items from unlocked cars. These were the joys of our middle-class upbringing. In reflection on those times, I feel no remorse for the people whose houses and cars that we vandalized. Nor do I feel remorse for the police who never caught us...although there were some close calls indeed. I learned to travel through people's backyards and miraculously only ever met one dog. After that incident, not only did I travel through people's backyards, but I also learned how to do it without touching the ground. Where that agility went I have no idea. Why is it that in our youth we can travel without leaving a footprint and in our adult years we not only feel that leaving footprints is the purpose of life, but encourage our children to do so as well. The moral of this story? Go easy on the kid you find ransacking your car for a bit of loose change cause it might be my son. And to the gentleman who has just fallen in love, when you live and love, try not to leave any footprints. hoping none of you are cops, m. _______________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 5, 2003 Hi Hur, on 2/4/03 6:27 PM, Hur Guler <hur at hur wrote: snip> > what > will happen one day if science finds this ego devil and its evil twin > consciousness in the brain? will the advaita gurus pack up and go > home? The ego, being a concept of identity, cannot be found. > i doubt it. then the focus will shift to the world of ideas and the > meanings in the subjective world of ideas rather than objects and the > objective reality. Advaita vedanta is this shift! Shawn > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 5, 2003 Hi hurl, Is the mind in the brain, or the brain in the mind? This is a riddle of illusory borders. People, and very helpfully so for daily functioning, think of themselves as separate from the whole. Borders, causes, time/space is a way of seeing and understanding. We can never know how things are in themselves. To swallow the whole W/o knowledge is like swallowing a hot dog bun w/o chewing it. Don't try this at home when alone. Pete --- " Hur Guler <hur " <hur wrote: > isn't it amazing that the " me " finds the sense of > self (or the Self) > and consciousness totally amazing? despite all the > scientific > efforts, no objective explanation of consciousness > can duplicate the > subjective experience of " what it's like to > experience things, " by > the little old me. > > perhaps the subjective experience, the sense of self > and > consciousness takes place at the quantum level? who > knows? > > when we lack the understanding of a phenomena, > mythology creeps in. > 20 years ago in college, i remember debating in a > philosophy class > that the mind resides in the brain. most of the > students including > the prof defended the old western mythological view > that the mind > originates from the divine and cannot be found in > the brain. > > similar to the old western mythology of the mind, > the eastern > mythology goes even further and tells us that there > is no " me. " > eastern spirituality including advaita is running on > borrowed time > because science cannot explain the subjective > experience yet. what > will happen one day if science finds this ego devil > and its evil twin > consciousness in the brain? will the advaita gurus > pack up and go > home? > > i doubt it. then the focus will shift to the world > of ideas and the > meanings in the subjective world of ideas rather > than objects and the > objective reality. > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 6, 2003 i think the mind is in the brain.. mira - pete seesaw Nisargadatta Wednesday, February 05, 2003 9:48 PM Re: (unknown) Hi hurl, Is the mind in the brain, or the brain in the mind? This is a riddle of illusory borders. People, and very helpfully so for daily functioning, think of themselves as separate from the whole. Borders, causes, time/space is a way of seeing and understanding. We can never know how things are in themselves. To swallow the whole W/o knowledge is like swallowing a hot dog bun w/o chewing it. Don't try this at home when alone. Pete --- " Hur Guler <hur " <hur wrote: > isn't it amazing that the " me " finds the sense of > self (or the Self) > and consciousness totally amazing? despite all the > scientific > efforts, no objective explanation of consciousness > can duplicate the > subjective experience of " what it's like to > experience things, " by > the little old me. > > perhaps the subjective experience, the sense of self > and > consciousness takes place at the quantum level? who > knows? > > when we lack the understanding of a phenomena, > mythology creeps in. > 20 years ago in college, i remember debating in a > philosophy class > that the mind resides in the brain. most of the > students including > the prof defended the old western mythological view > that the mind > originates from the divine and cannot be found in > the brain. > > similar to the old western mythology of the mind, > the eastern > mythology goes even further and tells us that there > is no " me. " > eastern spirituality including advaita is running on > borrowed time > because science cannot explain the subjective > experience yet. what > will happen one day if science finds this ego devil > and its evil twin > consciousness in the brain? will the advaita gurus > pack up and go > home? > > i doubt it. then the focus will shift to the world > of ideas and the > meanings in the subjective world of ideas rather > than objects and the > objective reality. > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 6, 2003 --- Athanor <athanor wrote: > i think the mind is in the brain.. > mira Hi mira, So tell me, if you belived exactly the opposite, how that would change your life? Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 6, 2003 Pete, What would be the exact opposite - 1)that the brain is in the mind or 2) that the mind is not in the brain? Interesting side note - I was reading an article done by a mind/body researcher who had, among other researchers, been working on this issue for decades. The article basically states there has been little progress and they are about to give up the chase. Nisargadatta , pete seesaw <seesaw1us> wrote: > > --- Athanor <athanor@c...> wrote: > > i think the mind is in the brain.. > > mira > > Hi mira, > > So tell me, if you belived exactly the opposite, how > that would change your life? > > > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 7, 2003 on 2/6/03 9:03 AM, trem23 <inmadison at inmadison wrote: > Pete, > What would be the exact opposite - 1)that the brain is in the mind or > 2) that the mind is not in the brain? > > Interesting side note - I was reading an article done by a mind/body > researcher who had, among other researchers, been working on this > issue for decades. The article basically states there has been little > progress and they are about to give up the chase. This is hysterical! Did they get a government grant? A million and a half to find out which came first, the chicken or the egg...? Quantum phisics says now there is no way to observe anything without the observer affecting the process. ))))))Shawn Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 7, 2003 The point I was trying to make, Larry, is that these kind of beliefs don't change anything. One can switch them around with no effect in ones life. Believing that consciousness is all, that your soul will live after death etc won't eliminate suffering from your life, it will only give a sense of false security and continuety to an illusory self. Pete --- " trem23 <inmadison " <inmadison wrote: > Pete, > What would be the exact opposite - 1)that the brain > is in the mind or > 2) that the mind is not in the brain? > > Interesting side note - I was reading an article > done by a mind/body > researcher who had, among other researchers, been > working on this > issue for decades. The article basically states > there has been little > progress and they are about to give up the chase. > > > Nisargadatta , pete seesaw > <seesaw1us> > wrote: > > > > --- Athanor <athanor@c...> wrote: > > > i think the mind is in the brain.. > > > mira > > > > Hi mira, > > > > So tell me, if you belived exactly the opposite, > how > > that would change your life? > > > > > > > > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > > http://mailplus. > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 7, 2003 Athanor <athanor wrote: > i think the mind is in the brain.. > mira Hi mira, So tell me, if you belived exactly the opposite, how that would change your life? ~~~ opposite... i don't even know if/how it changes it now.. mira Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 7, 2003 The point I was trying to make, Larry, is that these kind of beliefs don't change anything. One can switch them around with no effect in ones life. ~~~ the point is, Pete, that these kind of beliefs can change a lot.. just imagine: the mind in the brain! the mind not in the brain! where are your thoughts coming from? Believing that consciousness is all, that your soul will live after death etc won't eliminate suffering from your life, it will only give a sense of false security and continuety to an illusory self. ~~~ the consciousness isn't all! the consciousness is just the witness.. and if we will live after death, no one knows that!! some people are lying themselves just to feel a little bit of comfort regarding the death.. the suffering will never leave anyone's life... it will be there as long as they live.. the thing is how one can look at this suffering.. seeing it, accepting it, living in it or denying it, not rejecting it and ending in a much bigger suffering.. if the people would live their lives in truth, they would be okay.. mira --- " trem23 <inmadison " <inmadison wrote: > Pete, > What would be the exact opposite - 1)that the brain > is in the mind or > 2) that the mind is not in the brain? > > Interesting side note - I was reading an article > done by a mind/body > researcher who had, among other researchers, been > working on this > issue for decades. The article basically states > there has been little > progress and they are about to give up the chase. > > > Nisargadatta , pete seesaw > <seesaw1us> > wrote: > > > > --- Athanor <athanor@c...> wrote: > > > i think the mind is in the brain.. > > > mira > > > > Hi mira, > > > > So tell me, if you belived exactly the opposite, > how > > that would change your life? > > > > > > > > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > > http://mailplus. > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 7, 2003 i recently had to go to hiroshima in order to sign an affidavit. it was the first time i had traveled without the company of my wife in japan and as such I was a tad nervous at the prospect of getting lost, or boarding the wrong train. Despite my fears, the trip went very well. i arrived in hiroshima, found the right building, and made my way back to the station without a problem. I even managed to find the correct platform for the train that would take me back to the city in which i live. The trip was over and i sat back to relax. Now in this area of japan there are two types of bullet trains. One is called the Kodama, and it stops at every station along the way. The other train is called the Hikari rail star and it doesnt. As my station flew past the window at 300km/hr could you guess which train i accidentally boarded? The trip is not over until you make it home. The slightest deviation from your path can take you miles out of the way. Perhaps there is some special lesson you can learn from your detour. but why not take the most direct path? do not relax for even an instant. be consummate in virtue, guard the doors of your senses, be possessed of alertness and mindfulness and be content. of course for those of you who only like to go home for a few seconds and then leave again detours can always be interesting. what is the square root of an apple? m. _______________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 8, 2003 Nisargadatta , pete seesaw <seesaw1us> wrote: > The point I was trying to make, Larry, is that these > kind of beliefs don't change anything. One can switch > them around with no effect in ones life. > > Believing that consciousness is all, that your soul > will live after death etc won't eliminate suffering > from your life, it will only give a sense of false > security and continuety to an illusory self. Comment: Is that believing that 'consciousness is all' won't eliminate suffering because of (mere) belief; or that knowing/being 'consciousness is all' won't eliminate suffering either? Beliefs are fragile intellectual and emotive structures - able to collapse when threatened or deemed incompatable with present surroundings. Whenever someone tells me they believe in God I think to myself " tell me something interesting " . Maybe someday I'll yell it out. Larry > > Pete > --- " trem23 <inmadison@h...> " > <inmadison@h...> wrote: > > Pete, > > What would be the exact opposite - 1)that the brain > > is in the mind or > > 2) that the mind is not in the brain? > > > > Interesting side note - I was reading an article > > done by a mind/body > > researcher who had, among other researchers, been > > working on this > > issue for decades. The article basically states > > there has been little > > progress and they are about to give up the chase. > > > > > > Nisargadatta , pete seesaw > > <seesaw1us> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- Athanor <athanor@c...> wrote: > > > > i think the mind is in the brain.. > > > > mira > > > > > > Hi mira, > > > > > > So tell me, if you belived exactly the opposite, > > how > > > that would change your life? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > > now. > > > http://mailplus. > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 8, 2003 My Comments below yours > Comment: Is that believing that 'consciousness is > all' won't > eliminate suffering because of (mere) belief; or > that > knowing/being 'consciousness is all' won't eliminate > suffering > either? > > Beliefs are fragile intellectual and emotive > structures - able to > collapse when threatened or deemed incompatable with > present > surroundings. Whenever someone tells me they believe > in God I think > to myself " tell me something interesting " . Maybe > someday I'll yell > it out. Hi larry, So right, he who believes in God, believes only in his own ideas. Now, there was this fellow who woke up one morning from deep sleep and found out deep sleep was still there. The fellow stayed there contemplating this strange deep sleep, which had a sort of oceanic awareness of endless dark being. The certainty came, this is beyond sleep, beyond awakening, beyond life and death. This is here, whether a brain is aware of it or not. Now, that kind of happening is unshakable and beyond believe in more than one way. But this kind of stuff gets distorted in the telling, and if another reads about it, it's just a believe to be accepted or rejected. Pete > > Larry > > > > > Pete > > --- " trem23 <inmadison@h...> " > > <inmadison@h...> wrote: > > > Pete, > > > What would be the exact opposite - 1)that the > brain > > > is in the mind or > > > 2) that the mind is not in the brain? > > > > > > Interesting side note - I was reading an article > > > done by a mind/body > > > researcher who had, among other researchers, > been > > > working on this > > > issue for decades. The article basically states > > > there has been little > > > progress and they are about to give up the > chase. > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , pete seesaw > > > <seesaw1us> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- Athanor <athanor@c...> wrote: > > > > > i think the mind is in the brain.. > > > > > mira > > > > > > > > Hi mira, > > > > > > > > So tell me, if you belived exactly the > opposite, > > > how > > > > that would change your life? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign > up > > > now. > > > > http://mailplus. > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 10, 2003 aswell as to be written either .. - " pete seesaw " <seesaw1us <Nisargadatta > Saturday, February 08, 2003 8:20 PM Re: Re: (unknown) My Comments below yours > Comment: Is that believing that 'consciousness is > all' won't > eliminate suffering because of (mere) belief; or > that > knowing/being 'consciousness is all' won't eliminate > suffering > either? > > Beliefs are fragile intellectual and emotive > structures - able to > collapse when threatened or deemed incompatable with > present > surroundings. Whenever someone tells me they believe > in God I think > to myself " tell me something interesting " . Maybe > someday I'll yell > it out. Hi larry, So right, he who believes in God, believes only in his own ideas. Now, there was this fellow who woke up one morning from deep sleep and found out deep sleep was still there. The fellow stayed there contemplating this strange deep sleep, which had a sort of oceanic awareness of endless dark being. The certainty came, this is beyond sleep, beyond awakening, beyond life and death. This is here, whether a brain is aware of it or not. Now, that kind of happening is unshakable and beyond believe in more than one way. But this kind of stuff gets distorted in the telling, and if another reads about it, it's just a believe to be accepted or rejected. Pete > > Larry > > > > > Pete > > --- " trem23 <inmadison@h...> " > > <inmadison@h...> wrote: > > > Pete, > > > What would be the exact opposite - 1)that the > brain > > > is in the mind or > > > 2) that the mind is not in the brain? > > > > > > Interesting side note - I was reading an article > > > done by a mind/body > > > researcher who had, among other researchers, > been > > > working on this > > > issue for decades. The article basically states > > > there has been little > > > progress and they are about to give up the > chase. > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , pete seesaw > > > <seesaw1us> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- Athanor <athanor@c...> wrote: > > > > > i think the mind is in the brain.. > > > > > mira > > > > > > > > Hi mira, > > > > > > > > So tell me, if you belived exactly the > opposite, > > > how > > > > that would change your life? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign > up > > > now. > > > > http://mailplus. > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 10, 2003 Ask the right questions and the Inner will answer. ---- THAT PS: Do you have a mind? Think..... Hi hurl, Is the mind in the brain, or the brain in the mind? This is a riddle of illusory borders. People, and very helpfully so for daily functioning, think of themselves as separate from the whole. Borders, causes, time/space is a way of seeing and understanding. We can never know how things are in themselves. To swallow the whole W/o knowledge is like swallowing a hot dog bun w/o chewing it. Don't try this at home when alone. Pete --- " Hur Guler <hur " <hur wrote: > isn't it amazing that the " me " finds the sense of > self (or the Self) > and consciousness totally amazing? despite all the > scientific > efforts, no objective explanation of consciousness > can duplicate the > subjective experience of " what it's like to > experience things, " by > the little old me. > > perhaps the subjective experience, the sense of self > and > consciousness takes place at the quantum level? who > knows? > > when we lack the understanding of a phenomena, > mythology creeps in. > 20 years ago in college, i remember debating in a > philosophy class > that the mind resides in the brain. most of the > students including > the prof defended the old western mythological view > that the mind > originates from the divine and cannot be found in > the brain. > > similar to the old western mythology of the mind, > the eastern > mythology goes even further and tells us that there > is no " me. " > eastern spirituality including advaita is running on > borrowed time > because science cannot explain the subjective > experience yet. what > will happen one day if science finds this ego devil > and its evil twin > consciousness in the brain? will the advaita gurus > pack up and go > home? > > i doubt it. then the focus will shift to the world > of ideas and the > meanings in the subjective world of ideas rather > than objects and the > objective reality. > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 11, 2003 on 2/10/03 7:55 AM, Consciousness Noumenon at sloshednstoned wrote: > > Ask the right questions and the Inner will answer. > ---- > THAT > PS: Do you have a mind? Think..... ...or ask long enough and it disappears along with the one who asks. Shawn Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 11, 2003 > To swallow the whole W/o knowledge is like > swallowing a hot dog bun w/o chewing it. Don't > try this at home when alone. > > Pete Pete! What does this mean? Shawn Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 11, 2003 ~just open pete, and stay it, don't try anything, even tasting, chewing, evn more swallowing, just let it go thru .. - " shawn " <shawn <Nisargadatta > Tuesday, February 11, 2003 6:22 AM Re: (unknown) > To swallow the whole W/o knowledge is like > swallowing a hot dog bun w/o chewing it. Don't > try this at home when alone. > > Pete Pete! What does this mean? Shawn Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 11, 2003 --- shawn <shawn wrote: > > To swallow the whole W/o knowledge is like > > swallowing a hot dog bun w/o chewing it. Don't > > try this at home when alone. > > > > Pete > > > Pete! > > What does this mean? > > Shawn > Hi Shawn, On the surface it's only a joke, but if you look closer is a parody of a koan: A Zen master and a monk were crossing a bridge. The monk saw geese flying and asked " Where have the geese gone? " (where do events go when they disappear?) The master answered, " They are still here. " " I don't see that. " reply the monk. " Swallow the river in one gulp and you will see it. " swallow the river in one gulp means perceive phenomena without thought, concepts, memories. With empty perception there is no past or future, no 'I " or others " Empty perception is a home where there is no 'you' to be alone. Best wishes, Pete Send Flowers for Valentine's Day Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 13, 2003 Thus feebly attempting to render in words the unrenderable, you have blasphemied the MU --- THAT Hi Shawn, On the surface it's only a joke, but if you look closer is a parody of a koan: A Zen master and a monk were crossing a bridge. The monk saw geese flying and asked " Where have the geese gone? " (where do events go when they disappear?) The master answered, " They are still here. " " I don't see that. " reply the monk. " Swallow the river in one gulp and you will see it. " swallow the river in one gulp means perceive phenomena without thought, concepts, memories. With empty perception there is no past or future, no 'I " or others " Empty perception is a home where there is no 'you' to be alone. Best wishes, Pete Send Flowers for Valentine's Day Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 13, 2003 on 2/12/03 4:15 PM, Consciousness Noumenon at sloshednstoned wrote: > > > > Thus feebly attempting to render in words the unrenderable, you have > blasphemied the MU > > --- > > THAT Dear That, Sounds like a lot of christian nonsense to me. How can we insult or dishonor that which is the ground and sustanace of all? Who would do it? While it is true that THAT is indescribable, where is the point of being on a list where words are the medium, if not to use them? One wack for you... for carrying your shoe on your head and thinking it means something. )))))))Shawn Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 15, 2003 Alas, thus having whacked me on the head , Shawn did not laugh the Final Laugh for he had thought. The MU can only *not* be understood by the MU THAT shawn <shawn wrote:on 2/12/03 4:15 PM, Consciousness Noumenon at sloshednstoned wrote: > > > > Thus feebly attempting to render in words the unrenderable, you have > blasphemied the MU > > --- > > THAT Dear That, Sounds like a lot of christian nonsense to me. How can we insult or dishonor that which is the ground and sustanace of all? Who would do it? While it is true that THAT is indescribable, where is the point of being on a list where words are the medium, if not to use them? One wack for you... for carrying your shoe on your head and thinking it means something. )))))))Shawn Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
