Depiction Of The Universe

[suchandra 1]

 

As Ananta Sesha floats along the cosmic ocean supporting Lord Maha-Vishnu by serving as the couch upon whom Lord Maha-Vishnu reclines, the universe unfolds from Lord Maha-Vishnu's dream. Lord Brahma, Lord Siva and King Indra standing outside, indicating that they're above the laws of nature. Surabhi cow begging the Lord to free the world from demons. The conclusion is that the origin of all life is the bodily effulgence of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. This is also confirmed in Brahma-saḿhitā: yasya prabhā prabhavato jagad-aṇḍa-koṭi [Bs. 5.40]. "Being illuminated by the bodily effulgence of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, everything is freed from all darkness".

 

ananta vaikuṇṭha, āra ananta avatāra

ananta brahmāṇḍa ihāń, — sabāra ādhāra

 

"There are innumerable Vaikuṇṭha planets, as well as innumerable incarnations. In the material world also there are innumerable universes, and Kṛṣṇa is the supreme resting place for all of them. Combining all the different elements, the Supreme Lord created all the universes. Those universes are unlimited in number; there is no possibility of counting them.

(Madhya 8.135)

[Sarva gattah 0]

Interesting post suchandra prabhu, the paintings are fantastic

 

 

 

 

 

 

Different States of reality exist within the material universe

 

Modern materialistic science is has no idea how to explain psychic phenomena. This information can be found in Vedic scriptures.

 

Srimad Bhagavatam 6.16.53-54, 7.7.25 or 7.15.61 describes three material states of consciousness:

 

1. jagrata, awakened state (beta, 14-40 Hz, alpha, 7-14 Hz)

2. svapna, dreaming state (theta, 4-7 Hz)

3. susupti, deep sleep (delta, 0.5-4 Hz)

 

Beyond them is the fourth state (turya) which is non-material (SB 6.5.12, 7.9.32, 7,15.54). On this level the Supreme Lord can be perceived. Gaudiya Vaisnavas describe another, fifth state (turyatitah), dimension of love between the jiva and Krsna.

 

What follows are paraphrases of Vedanta-sutra (by Suhotra Prabhu) and corresponding Srimad Bhagavatam verses:

 

Dreams are created by the Supersoul to award the living entity with the results of insignificant karma. (Vs 3.2.1) SB 6.16.55

 

The Supersoul causes objects of desire to appear in dreams as they do in other situations (e.g. the waking state). (Vs 3.2.2) SB 11.13.32

 

Dreams are features of the Supreme Lord's maya. (Vs 3.2.3) SB 11.13.33

Some dreams are omens; sastra and experts so declare. (Vs 3.2.4) SB 10.42.26-27

 

Question When one awakes from dreaming, he knows that his dreams were unreal. Therefore no value should be imparted to dreams.

 

Answer: The manifestation and the withdrawal of the dream world within the consciousness of the living entity is effected by the Lord. In the same way, bondage and liberation proceed from him also. (Vs 3.2.5) SB 3.7.10-12

 

The state in which consciousness is focused on the physical body (the waking state) is created by the Supreme Lord. (Vs 3.2.6) SB 6.16.53-54

 

Different statements in the Upanisads indicate that deep sleep is the result of the soul entering 1) the nadis (subtle channels that pervade the body from the center of the heart), 2) the pericardium, or 3) the Supersoul. The resolution is that the soul sleeps within the bed of the Supersoul, after having entered the palace (the pericardium) through the door of the nadis. (Vs 3.2.7) SB 11.3.35, 1.10.21

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Bhaktivedanta VedaBase: Sri Caitanya Caritamrita Antya 3.78-79

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SYNONYMS

-- said; -- Your; -- long ; -- this material world; -- situation; -- for that duration of time; - -- nonmoving and moving; -- all; - -- species of living entities; -- all; ' -- liberating; -- You; -- the spiritual world; -- will send; - -- the undeveloped living entities; -- again; -- their activities; -- You will awaken.

TRANSLATION

said, "My Lord, as long as You are situated within the material world, You will send to the spiritual sky all the developed moving and nonmoving living entities in different species. Then again You will awaken the living entities who are not yet developed and engage them in activities.

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jiva-jati -- species of living entities is refering to the nitya-baddha conscious aspect OR LOWER CONDITIONED SELF of the living entity who is/was trapped in the material world or the impersonal Brahmajyoti.

 

sukshma-jivA -- the undeveloped living also refers to the secondary conscious condition (nitya-baddha) that has been trapped for so long in the material world they have no memory of who they really are.

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There is no region, place or plane called tatastha, the jiva souls ARE the jiva-tatastha's. Also they are NOT inbetween the material and Vaikuntha realm but rather choose between SERVING the Superior energy (Krishna and His expansions) or being COVERED by and a slave too the inferior energy (maha-tattva)

 

One of the definitions of the sanskrit word, "tata" is borderline. Another definition of tata is in between. How can a borderline not be thought of as a place?

 

Srimad Bhagavatam 3.7.9 Bhaktivedanta Purport,

 

According to Vishnu Purana, Bhagavad-gita and all other Vedic literatures, the living entities are generated from the tatastha energy of the Lord, and thus they are always the energy of the Lord and are not the energetic. The living entities are like the sun's rays. Although, as explained above, there is no qualitative difference between the sun and its rays, the sun's rays are sometimes overpowered by another energy of the sun, namely by clouds or by snowfall. Similarly, although the living entities are qualitatively one with the superior energy of the Lord, they have the tendency to be overpowered by the inferior, material energy.

 

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jiva-jati -- species of living entities is refering to the nitya-baddha conscious aspect OR LOWER CONDITIONED SELF of the living entity who is/was trapped in the material world or the impersonal Brahmajyoti.

 

sukshma-jivA -- the undeveloped living also refers to the secondary conscious condition (nitya-baddha) that has been trapped for so long in the material world they have no memory of who they really are.

 

Notice that no sastric reference is given.

[Sarva gattah 0]

Read Srila Prabhupadas books properally and stop just looing for what you want to believe in. Also if you really want to understand Srila Prabhupadas books, avoid the Gaudiya math

Bhaktivedanta VedaBase: Śrīmad Bhāgavatam 11.11.8

“One who is enlightened in self-realization, although living within the material body, sees himself as transcendental to the body, just as one who has arisen from a dream gives up identification with the dream body. A foolish person, however, although not identical with his material body but transcendental to it, thinks himself to be situated in the body, just as one who is dreaming sees himself as situated in an imaginary body”.

 

Purport by Srila Prabhupada

 

In a dream one sees oneself in an imaginary body, but upon waking one gives up all identification with that body. Similarly, one who has awakened to Kṛṣṇa consciousness no longer identifies with the gross or subtle material bodies, nor does he become affected by the happiness and distress of material life. On the other hand, a foolish person (kumati) does not awaken from the dream of material existence and is afflicted with innumerable problems due to false identification with the gross and subtle material bodies. One should become situated in one's eternal spiritual identity (nitya-svarūpa). By properly identifying oneself as the eternal servant of Kṛṣṇa, one becomes relieved of his false material identity, and therefore the miseries of illusory existence immediately cease, just as the anxiety of a troublesome dream ceases as soon as one awakens to his normal, pleasant surroundings. It should be understood, however, that the analogy of awakening from a dream can never be applied to the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is never in illusion. The Lord is eternally awake and enlightened in His own unique category called viṣṇu-tattva. Such knowledge is easily understood by one who is vidvān, or enlightened in Kṛṣṇa consciousness.

[suchandra 1]

 

My Lord, as long as You are situated within the material world, You will send to the spiritual sky all the developed moving and nonmoving living entities in different species. Then again You will awaken the living entities who are not yet developed and engage them in activities.

 

Somehow the term "not yet developed" indicates that there're living entities who're innocent but covered by the material energy in opposite to those who are thrown in the material ocean because of them being rebellious?

When enlarging the lotusflower from pic above it looks like more persons are within the lotusflower?

 

 

 

 

 

[Sarva gattah 0]

 

Notice that no sastric reference is given.

 

Just go back and read the 20 or so other threads on this subject. I will keep answering this thread but I suggest the moderators put an end, not to the thread. but any tit-for-tat chewing the chewed

 

"Just as the embodied spirit soul loses external consciousness when his senses are overcome by the illusion of dreaming or the deathlike state of deep sleep, so a person experiencing material duality must encounter illusion and death".

 

 

"The living entity's desiring is like dreaming of a golden mountain. A person knows what a mountain is, and he knows also what gold is. Out of his desire only, he dreams of a golden mountain, and when the dream is over he sees something else in his presence. He finds in his awakened state that there is neither gold nor a mountain, and what to speak of a golden mountain." - Srimad Bhagavatam, Canto Two, "The Cosmic Manifestation".

 

The living entity is only dreaming as their nitya-baddha consciousness in the material creation and even the impersonal Brahmajyoti, while their genuine nitya-siddha bodily identity is firmly established eternally within the pastimes of Lord Krishna in Goloka

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Srimad

Bhagavatam

 

Eleventh Canto-Part Two

 

 

 

The Great Work of

His Divine Grace

A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

Founder-Acarya of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness

 

Continued by

His Divine Grace

Hridayananda dasa Goswami Acaryadeva

 

 

 

 

This is from the cover of the 1982 First Edition. How can you be so ignorant as to cite the purport of S.B.11.11.8 and title it "Purport by Srila Prabhupada"? The purport is by the siddhantically deviated Hridayananda Maharaja. Anyone who is around his so-called disciples know that they still call him "acaryadeva". There has never been an apology for the obscene cover of the 1982 created by an upstart thirty-three old year sanyassi.

Srimad Bhagavatam 3.7.9 Bhaktivedanta Purport,

 

According to Vishnu Purana, Bhagavad-gita and all other Vedic literatures, the living entities are generated from the tatastha energy of the Lord, and thus they are always the energy of the Lord and are not the energetic. The living entities are like the sun's rays.

 

If you persist in denying the above quoted Bhaktivedanta Purport then you will continue to appear very foolish. By the way, most of the work attributed to Hridayananda Maharaja on the later cantos was actually done by Gopiparandhana Prabhu. Generally their translations and purports were quite accurate.

 

 

 

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There is no region, place or plane called tatastha, the jiva souls ARE the jiva-tatastha's. Also they are NOT inbetween the material and Vaikuntha realm but rather choose between SERVING the Superior energy (Krishna and His expansions) or being COVERED by and a slave too the inferior energy (maha-tattva)

If you want to stop the "tit for tat" then I suggest that you take an honest approach and stop putting the above, concocted and self-manufactured quote that you place at the end of your posts. You cannot continue on a campaign where you only give one side an issue where you selectively embrace certain quotes from Srila Prabhupada and deny others as though they do not exist. Myself, Guruvani, and others have always addressed apparently opposite quotes and tried to harmonize them. Now you are avoiding this quote:

Srimad Bhagavatam 3.7.9 Bhaktivedanta Purport,

 

According to Vishnu Purana, Bhagavad-gita and all other Vedic literatures, the living entities are generated from the tatastha energy of the Lord, and thus they are always the energy of the Lord and are not the energetic. The living entities are like the sun's rays.

There's not much that you can say. It seems here Fall-Vada and Sleeper-Vad are summarily defeated in a Bhaktivedanta Purport.

[realist 0]

 

 

As Ananta Sesha floats along the cosmic ocean supporting Lord Maha-Vishnu by serving as the couch upon whom Lord Maha-Vishnu reclines, the universe unfolds from Lord Maha-Vishnu's dream. Lord Brahma, Lord Siva and King Indra standing outside, indicating that they're above the laws of nature. Surabhi cow begging the Lord to free the world from demons. The conclusion is that the origin of all life is the bodily effulgence of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. This is also confirmed in Brahma-saḿhitā: yasya prabhā prabhavato jagad-aṇḍa-koṭi [Bs. 5.40]. "Being illuminated by the bodily effulgence of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, everything is freed from all darkness".

 

ananta vaikuṇṭha, āra ananta avatāra

ananta brahmāṇḍa ihāń, — sabāra ādhāra

 

"There are innumerable Vaikuṇṭha planets, as well as innumerable incarnations. In the material world also there are innumerable universes, and Kṛṣṇa is the supreme resting place for all of them. Combining all the different elements, the Supreme Lord created all the universes. Those universes are unlimited in number; there is no possibility of counting them.

(Madhya 8.135)

 

Great post Suchandra, I just spent some time reading you web page, very clever and wonderful preaching.

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get that? summarily defeated.

 

Freedom to choose Krsna is inherant in the process. Without, there is only fanaticism, the comparible love versus rape scenario. Some whose only desire is to convince others of that which they have not realized themselves think that something drastic happens to FREE WILL when one attains swarupa. The residents of Goloka are not slaves, they are equals. Krsna is thrown to the forest floor by mere jiva tattwa of sudama and subal. Yasoda cares nothing about god, other things occupy her by her choice to place her love entirely on krsna. CHOOSES.

 

Other wise, this anti free will philosophy means enslavement is our position that when we give up our slavery to maya, we become slaves to vaikuntha, imprisoned to never leave her gates. Sorry, my two AM milking made me sleepy during some of those boring bhagavatam classes, but it seems I woulda heard it somewhere over the last 40 years.

 

The freedom of swarupa siddhi means that the material world doesnt damage us beyond repair. There is no eternal hell in our system, and the evils of psuedo christianity is fully manifesting in the revisionist psuedo krsna cults.

 

I came here to glorify creation, hoping for Answers by citing the Lords version, and like the twilight zone, Im stuck in anothger origin of jiva morass with the same folks saying the same stuff, with the same out of context clip and pastes of prabhupada.

 

This is why we need to wake up, stirring dont count as awake. Jiv Jago, hare krsna, ys, mahaksadasa

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Freedom to choose Krsna is inherant in the process. Without, there is only fanaticism, the comparible love versus rape scenario. . .

Agreement

 

Krsna is thrown to the forest floor by mere jiva tattwa of sudama and subal. Yasoda cares nothing about god, other things occupy her by her choice to place her love entirely on krsna. CHOOSES.

Agreement

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The residents of Goloka are not slaves, they are equals. Krsna is thrown to the forest floor by mere jiva tattwa of sudama and subal.

 

 

 

Srila Narayana Maharaja:

[Krishna's eternal associates] are beyond uttama-bhakti. You cannot imagine their position. They are beyond uttama-bhakti. They are manifestations of Krsna Himself, and they are eternal associates. They came to this world only to fulfill the desires of Krsna. They are playing like ordinary boys to teach us. They are above our consideration.

 

 

 

 

The gopis, gopas, and all the associates of Goloka Vrndavana are above our consideration. They are like Krsna.

 

 

 

"mere jiva tattva"?

 

 

[Guruvani 0]

 

 

I came here to glorify creation, hoping for Answers by citing the Lords version, and like the twilight zone, Im stuck in anothger origin of jiva morass with the same folks saying the same stuff, with the same out of context clip and pastes of prabhupada.

 

 

It doesn't take mystic powers to see that Vigraha - Sarva Gattah wants to turn every discussion on the forum into a fall-from-goloka rant.

I don't understand why he is allowed to come on to the forum and disrupt every topic that comes up with his dreamervadi rant.

 

I am sick of hearing about his dreamervadi theory.

Maybe admin can give him his own section of the forum for his dreamervadi rant and anybody that wants to engage in discussion with him can go there.

 

He should not be allowed in other topics as he tries to turn every topic into a dreamervadi rant.

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get that? summarily defeated.

 

Freedom to choose Krsna is inherant in the process. Without, there is only fanaticism, the comparible love versus rape scenario. Some whose only desire is to convince others of that which they have not realized themselves think that something drastic happens to FREE WILL when one attains swarupa. The residents of Goloka are not slaves, they are equals. Krsna is thrown to the forest floor by mere jiva tattwa of sudama and subal. Yasoda cares nothing about god, other things occupy her by her choice to place her love entirely on krsna. CHOOSES.

 

Other wise, this anti free will philosophy means enslavement is our position that when we give up our slavery to maya, we become slaves to vaikuntha, imprisoned to never leave her gates. Sorry, my two AM milking made me sleepy during some of those boring bhagavatam classes, but it seems I woulda heard it somewhere over the last 40 years.

 

The freedom of swarupa siddhi means that the material world doesnt damage us beyond repair. There is no eternal hell in our system, and the evils of psuedo christianity is fully manifesting in the revisionist psuedo krsna cults.

 

I came here to glorify creation, hoping for Answers by citing the Lords version, and like the twilight zone, Im stuck in anothger origin of jiva morass with the same folks saying the same stuff, with the same out of context clip and pastes of prabhupada.

 

This is why we need to wake up, stirring dont count as awake. Jiv Jago, hare krsna, ys, mahaksadasa

 

Very good reading Prabhu - Hare Krishna

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If this material world is a real place, and if the spiritual world is a real place, then the boundary line between these two worlds MUST be real as well.

 

And that is where we all come from - the tatastha shakti comes from the tatastha region.