Guest guest Report post Posted June 1, 2005 Respected Gurus, In general what are the results of atmakaraka in Arudhalagna? Thanking you all Aruna Srimantula Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2005 Namaskaar Shree Aruna Atmakaraka is a propelling graha towards knowledge of oneself. In Arudha lagna it disspells the ignorance and the illusion. The result is in whenever the associated period starts...the person will have to come face with a difficult circumstance and way out will show the person a great secret about life. The person will realize two sides of a coin is actually the same coin. Such a person will be a great mediator and a diplomat. The native is keen on Self Analysis and can recognize slowly and steadily the effect of Maya within. Such a person can a good teacher and can guide others towards their learning and solving life's matters. I would love to hear other's comments on this very interesting topic. Thanks and Regards Bharat vedic astrology, "a_srimantula" <a_srimantula> wrote: > Respected Gurus, > > In general what are the results of atmakaraka in Arudhalagna? > > > Thanking you all > Aruna Srimantula Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2005 SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM AUM GURUBYO NAMAH Dear Aruna, In general the posterior/exterior portion does not reveal much about the inner make up of the individual. Whenever Atmakaraka is in AL the situation becomes more transparent and the world at large/society easily weighs/measures the individual. We have a saying in Tamil that Tigers roam around in the garb of a Cow. These are the cases where the AL does not reveal much about the AK. i hope this helps. Best wishes. Astrologically & spiritually yours, p.s.ramanarayanan. vedic astrology, "a_srimantula" <a_srimantula> wrote: > Respected Gurus, > > In general what are the results of atmakaraka in Arudhalagna? > > > Thanking you all > Aruna Srimantula Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 3, 2005 Please give me clarification on the following. What would be the result when atmakaraka in 9th from arudha lagna and if its saturn occupying gemini.? What would be the result if atmakaraka is debilitated in navamsa and conjoined with moon and venus in navamsa?. Please reply me. With thanks and regards Balaji Gbharateiya <bharateiya (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Namaskaar Shree ArunaAtmakaraka is a propelling graha towards knowledge of oneself. InArudha lagna it disspells the ignorance and the illusion. The resultis in whenever the associated period starts...the person will have tocome face with a difficult circumstance and way out will show theperson a great secret about life.The person will realize two sides of a coin is actually the same coin.Such a person will be a great mediator and a diplomat. The native iskeen on Self Analysis and can recognize slowly and steadily the effectof Maya within. Such a person can a good teacher and can guide others towards theirlearning and solving life's matters. I would love to hear other's comments on this very interesting topic.Thanks and RegardsBharat--- In vedic astrology, "a_srimantula"<a_srimantula> wrote:> Respected Gurus,> > In general what are the results of atmakaraka in Arudhalagna?> > > Thanking you all > Aruna SrimantulaArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Free antispam, antivirus and 1GB to save all your messages Only in Mail: http://in.mail. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 6, 2005 Namaskaar Sri Balaji Atmakaraka debilitated in Navamsa is not a good sign for Spiritual development. Its association with Moon and Venus show it will have to deal with emotional issues. Such a person may have problems of emotional maturity and consistency in its spiritual development. This is the area to focus upon. I am not sure I understand your first question. You say "if its Saturn occupies Gemini" What is "its" here? Thanks and Regards Bharat vedic astrology, "Balaji G.krishnan" <balaji_g_krishnan> wrote: > Respected bharateiyaji, > > Please give me clarification on the following. > > What would be the result when atmakaraka in 9th from arudha lagna and if its saturn occupying gemini.? > > What would be the result if atmakaraka is debilitated in navamsa and conjoined with moon and venus in navamsa?. > > Please reply me. > > With thanks and regards > Balaji G > > bharateiya <bharateiya> wrote: > Namaskaar Shree Aruna > > Atmakaraka is a propelling graha towards knowledge of oneself. In > Arudha lagna it disspells the ignorance and the illusion. The result > is in whenever the associated period starts...the person will have to > come face with a difficult circumstance and way out will show the > person a great secret about life. > > The person will realize two sides of a coin is actually the same coin. > Such a person will be a great mediator and a diplomat. The native is > keen on Self Analysis and can recognize slowly and steadily the effect > of Maya within. > > Such a person can a good teacher and can guide others towards their > learning and solving life's matters. > > I would love to hear other's comments on this very interesting topic. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > > > vedic astrology, "a_srimantula" > <a_srimantula> wrote: > > Respected Gurus, > > > > In general what are the results of atmakaraka in Arudhalagna? > > > > > > Thanking you all > > Aruna Srimantula > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > Links > > > vedic astrology/ > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > Free antispam, antivirus and 1GB to save all your messages > Only in Mail: http://in.mail. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 6, 2005 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Bharat Can you cite some examples of great souls who have the atmakaraka in arudha lagna and have shown the path to immortality or moksha or some such great activity? I shall be most grateful. With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * bharateiya <bharateiya (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Namaskaar Shree ArunaAtmakaraka is a propelling graha towards knowledge of oneself. InArudha lagna it disspells the ignorance and the illusion. The resultis in whenever the associated period starts...the person will have tocome face with a difficult circumstance and way out will show theperson a great secret about life.The person will realize two sides of a coin is actually the same coin.Such a person will be a great mediator and a diplomat. The native iskeen on Self Analysis and can recognize slowly and steadily the effectof Maya within. Such a person can a good teacher and can guide others towards theirlearning and solving life's matters. I would love to hear other's comments on this very interesting topic.Thanks and RegardsBharat--- In vedic astrology, "a_srimantula"<a_srimantula> wrote:> Respected Gurus,> > In general what are the results of atmakaraka in Arudhalagna?> > > Thanking you all > Aruna SrimantulaArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Free antispam, antivirus and 1GB to save all your messagesOnly in Mail: http://in.mail. Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 6, 2005 Pranaam Guruji, Sorry to intrude into your conversation with Bharat ji. If I am not mistaken, Dr. B.V. Raman has exalted AK Mo in AL. Sincerely, SupritiSanjay Rath <guruji (AT) srath (DOT) com> wrote: Jaya Jagannatha Dear Bharat Can you cite some examples of great souls who have the atmakaraka in arudha lagna and have shown the path to immortality or moksha or some such great activity? I shall be most grateful. With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * bharateiya <bharateiya (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Namaskaar Shree ArunaAtmakaraka is a propelling graha towards knowledge of oneself. InArudha lagna it disspells the ignorance and the illusion. The resultis in whenever the associated period starts...the person will have tocome face with a difficult circumstance and way out will show theperson a great secret about life.The person will realize two sides of a coin is actually the same coin.Such a person will be a great mediator and a diplomat. The native iskeen on Self Analysis and can recognize slowly and steadily the effectof Maya within. Such a person can a good teacher and can guide others towards theirlearning and solving life's matters. I would love to hear other's comments on this very interesting topic.Thanks and RegardsBharat--- In vedic astrology, "a_srimantula"<a_srimantula> wrote:> Respected Gurus,> > In general what are the results of atmakaraka in Arudhalagna?> > > Thanking you all > Aruna SrimantulaArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Free antispam, antivirus and 1GB to save all your messagesOnly in Mail: http://in.mail. Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......|| Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Mail Mobile Take Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 6, 2005 Namaskaar Sri Sanjay I do not believe that through horoscope we can know of reaching immortality. As I have said and asked everyone earlier, that the state which has no cause cannot be caused by any combination.This presently remains my belief and I would love answers, discussions on the same. However, the forces can propel you in the direction of seeking knowledge about oneself. I shall refer to my database and send these details soon. Thanks and Regards Bharat vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" <guruji@s...> wrote: > > > Jaya Jagannatha > Dear Bharat > Can you cite some examples of great souls who have the atmakaraka in arudha > lagna and have shown the path to immortality or moksha or some such great > activity? I shall be most grateful. > With best wishes and warm regards, > Sanjay Rath > * * * > Sri Jagannath CenterR > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > New Delhi 110060, India > http://srath.com <http://srath.com/> , +91-11-25717162 > * * * > > > > > bharateiya <bharateiya> wrote: > > Namaskaar Shree Aruna > > Atmakaraka is a propelling graha towards knowledge of oneself. In > Arudha lagna it disspells the ignorance and the illusion. The result > is in whenever the associated period starts...the person will have to > come face with a difficult circumstance and way out will show the > person a great secret about life. > > The person will realize two sides of a coin is actually the same coin. > Such a person will be a great mediator and a diplomat. The native is > keen on Self Analysis and can recognize slowly and steadily the effect > of Maya within. > > Such a person can a good teacher and can guide others towards their > learning and solving life's matters. > > I would love to hear other's comments on this very interesting topic. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > > > vedic astrology, "a_srimantula" > <a_srimantula> wrote: > > Respected Gurus, > > > > In general what are the results of atmakaraka in Arudhalagna? > > > > > > Thanking you all > > Aruna Srimantula > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > _____ > > Free antispam, antivirus and 1GB to save all your messages > Only in Mail: http://in.mail. > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > _____ > > Links > > > * > vedic astrology/ > > > * > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology?subject=Un> > > > * Terms of Service > <> . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 6, 2005 Namaskaar Again Sri Sanjay Greal souls who have Atmakaraka in Arudha Lagna are: 1. Mahatma Gandhi 2. Sri J. Krishnamurthi 3. Sri Bangalore Venkata Raman There are others whose Atmakaraka aspects the Arudha Lagna: 1. Sri Raman Maharishi - 7th from AL Moon AK 2. Sri Sathya Sai Bada - 5th from AL Guru AK 3. Sri Gautam Buddha - 7th from AL Buddha AK 4. Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu - 7th from AL Saturn AK I have no references from classical text to show how this occurs. My logic is: Arudha Lagna signifies the illusion which is born out of the seizing effect of Grahas. Seizing is to close one'e eyes to the whole picture (Truth) and thereby cause ignorance. The mind then misinterprets the whole picture by way of Arudha. Atmakaraka is the force that desires freedom. It propels us towards it. Atmakaraka in AL signify two opposite forces and therefore a conflict. Atmakaraka if strong and in its period, will cause a rift in the mind. It will start the questioning process. The questioning process shall succeed or not is dependent upon many factors. However, the march towards emotional maturity and understanding the limitedness of illusionary joys begins. If a harsh situation occurs for the native, then this process can be faster. This is a topic to be researched and I request others to post their views and if they have sastras know how, then, to share it. Thanks and Regards Bharat vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" <guruji@s...> wrote: > > > Jaya Jagannatha > Dear Bharat > Can you cite some examples of great souls who have the atmakaraka in arudha > lagna and have shown the path to immortality or moksha or some such great > activity? I shall be most grateful. > With best wishes and warm regards, > Sanjay Rath > * * * > Sri Jagannath CenterR > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > New Delhi 110060, India > http://srath.com <http://srath.com/> , +91-11-25717162 > * * * > > > > > bharateiya <bharateiya> wrote: > > Namaskaar Shree Aruna > > Atmakaraka is a propelling graha towards knowledge of oneself. In > Arudha lagna it disspells the ignorance and the illusion. The result > is in whenever the associated period starts...the person will have to > come face with a difficult circumstance and way out will show the > person a great secret about life. > > The person will realize two sides of a coin is actually the same coin. > Such a person will be a great mediator and a diplomat. The native is > keen on Self Analysis and can recognize slowly and steadily the effect > of Maya within. > > Such a person can a good teacher and can guide others towards their > learning and solving life's matters. > > I would love to hear other's comments on this very interesting topic. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > > > vedic astrology, "a_srimantula" > <a_srimantula> wrote: > > Respected Gurus, > > > > In general what are the results of atmakaraka in Arudhalagna? > > > > > > Thanking you all > > Aruna Srimantula > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > _____ > > Free antispam, antivirus and 1GB to save all your messages > Only in Mail: http://in.mail. > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > _____ > > Links > > > * > vedic astrology/ > > > * > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology?subject=Un> > > > * Terms of Service > <> . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 8, 2005 Jaya JagannathaDear Bharat You have made some very fine points about the nature of the arudha lagna and atmakaraka. Arudha lagna is the illusionary belief system based on our indoctrination and what we consider as good and bad, what we consider as right and wrong. It is always black and white, the good guys and bad guys are based on this indoctrination by society (Moon) and mental experiences (Moon-manas) which is based on memory which agai is a function of selective retention (Jupiter) and selective erosion (Saturn) based on how pleasant they were. This emotion of pleasant memory and otherwise is subjective to the individual and will vary based on the rasi where the arudha lagna is. The arudha lagna is this illusion that is created by the intelligence (lagna and paka lagna). Now come to the possibility where the arudha lagna and atmakaraka are in the same sign. To be in the same sign it becomes imperative that the lagnesa and at atmakaraka are different planets. The indoctrination of the society of influence is indicated by the arudha lagna. Moon is the significator for this showing the primary indoctrination coming from the society connected with home - mother, mother tongue, family, childhood days etc. Jupiter is a great benefic for the fame and shows the indictrination coming from the learning that the society offers. Now Atmakaraka is like a Jyotirlinga. It holds tremendous knowlege - the knowledge of the paramesthi guru - the knowlegde of Shiva. This knowledge when coming into contact with any arudha or any graha pada throws up the *untruth* associated with the indoctrination. After all Shiva is - satyam shivam sundaram. That is why when the arudha lagna and the atmakaraka come together, the person starts to question the indoctrination of society. He challenges the teachings of the society and may reject many such teachings. Let us examine some of these cases (since you take the trouble of giving the example, its my pleasure to continue the thread). 1. Mahatma Gandhi has atmakaraka Jupiter, so his arudha lagna and AL are not the same. I use the time of 7.30 am LMT for his chart as is reported widely. The change came for him due to the *atmakaraka replacement* caused by the Moon and Jupiter being in the same degree. So at about 24 -32 years of age he will change very drastically. When this change will occur, the arudha lagna and *new atmakaraka* will become one in Cancer and he questioned the political system of the day as he has Rahu influencing the atmakaraka Moon. He questioned the untruth in it and started to show the path to *RAMA RAJYA* through satyagraha. Remember New AK Moon is with Rahu. 2. Jiddu Krishnamuti has the Sun atmakaraka in arudha lagna in Aries. This is the most royal sign and the Sun relates to father. There is a dictum which states that the Sun in the 1st or 7th house in Aries/Libra - native is abandoned by parents. This is true both for Bhagavan Sri Rama and Jiddu Krishnamurti who had Sun in AL in Aries and Saturn in 7th house. Krishnamurti lost his mother in 1905 and was finally adopted by Helena Blavatsky in 1910. Then there was a legal dispute over parental custody between Blavatsky and Jiddu Narasimah (Krishnamurti's biological father). It finally ended when Krishnamurti finall appeared at the Privy council and chose Blavatsky instead of his father. [at this stage the arudha lagna dominated over the atmakaraka as Krishnamurti was only 18 years old]. However, the atmakaraka started rising after his 28 years of age as it is in Aries - this was triggered by two events (1) death of father [sun] in 1924 and (2) death of brother [Mars] in 1925. Look at the Sun in Aries as AK. Then in 1929 on the opening day of the annual Star Camp at Ommen, Holland, Krishnamurti dissolved the Order before 3000 members. This was the complete and total rejection of the arudha. He questioned the fundamental basis of the guru-shisya parampara and said that the spiritual path was a path to freedom while the guru-shisya parampara of spiritual lineages in India were a kind of bondage. Remember AK Sun in AL is aspected by Saturn. 3. Dr. B.V.Raman has the atmakaraka Moon with Saturn in the arudha lagna and just like the other two cases, he questioned the basic theory that jyotisa should not be taught to foreigners as (1) Jyotisa was a vedanga and (2) it should not be taught in foreign languages. He was the first one to break free from this in a large scale teaching of jyotisa through the Astrological Magazine. To do this he needed to have another yoga as mentioned in Deva Keralam: The association of the lords of the 6th and 8th houses in a yoga with either the 5th lord or the 5th house. Such a person will teach the vedas and vedanga to foreigners in a foreign land and in a foreign language. In Dr Raman's chart we find that the fifth lord Mercury is also the 8th lord and is in kendra to Moon (sarada yoga) and with the dharma-karmadhipati yoga (highest yoga necessary to teach veda/vedanga). The point I am trying to make is that when you say (1) questionig process, there must be a suitable combination showing the questioning process and unless we have a saturn or Rahu involved what will trigger the questioning? Saturn indicates sorrow and suffering that triggers questioning while causes shocks to start the questioning. (2) Many factors that you state should be defined and in general is it necessary to achieve by teaching this knowledge to others? There are millions who have had similar lessons but did not bother to go out and teach it to others like the three we discussed above did. In each of their cases there were yogas outside the cmbination of AK and AL to support the activity that is required after the questioning process. (3) You have correctly pointed out that a harsh situation accelerates the questioning and change - this is perfectly right but then it must translate into *jyotisa language* which I have done by adding the terrible taste of the malefic planets. Finally Bharat, thanks for this. It made me see my own chart and wonder why I have done what I did so far and whether I should continue doing it. [Aug 7, 1963; 9.15 Pm Sambalpur, India] How many more harsh lessons will Saturn give. One more point - the final decision shall also depend on factors outside the AK, AL story. Lets try these - Why did Krishnamurti reject the Guru-shisya parampara of ancient India? Did the makara lagna have a say? Why did Gandhi take to Satyagraha on the one hand and dilly dally with satyagraha in sexual control? Did the Libra lagna with Mars and Venus have a say? With best wishes and warm regards,Sanjay Rath* * *Sri Jagannath Center®15B Gangaram Hospital RoadNew Delhi 110060, Indiahttp://srath.com, +91-11-25717162* * *>>bharateiya [bharateiya (AT) (DOT) co.in]>Tuesday, June 07, 2005 12:20 AM>To: vedic astrology>[vedic astrology] Re: atmakaraka in Al>>Namaskaar Again Sri Sanjay>>Greal souls who have Atmakaraka in Arudha Lagna are:>1. Mahatma Gandhi>2. Sri J. Krishnamurthi>3. Sri Bangalore Venkata Raman>>There are others whose Atmakaraka aspects the Arudha Lagna:>1. Sri Raman Maharishi - 7th from AL Moon AK 2. Sri Sathya Sai>Bada - 5th from AL Guru AK 3. Sri Gautam Buddha - 7th from AL>Buddha AK 4. Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu - 7th from AL Saturn AK>>I have no references from classical text to show how this>occurs. My logic is:>Arudha Lagna signifies the illusion which is born out of the>seizing effect of Grahas. Seizing is to close one'e eyes to>the whole picture>(Truth) and thereby cause ignorance. The mind then>misinterprets the whole picture by way of Arudha.>>Atmakaraka is the force that desires freedom. It propels us>towards it.>>Atmakaraka in AL signify two opposite forces and therefore a conflict.>Atmakaraka if strong and in its period, will cause a rift in the mind.>It will start the questioning process. The questioning process>shall succeed or not is dependent upon many factors. However,>the march towards emotional maturity and understanding the>limitedness of illusionary joys begins.>>If a harsh situation occurs for the native, then this process>can be faster.>>This is a topic to be researched and I request others to post>their views and if they have sastras know how, then, to share it.>>Thanks and Regards>Bharat>>>>>vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath"><guruji@s...> wrote:>> >> >> Jaya Jagannatha>> Dear Bharat>> Can you cite some examples of great souls who have the atmakaraka in>arudha>> lagna and have shown the path to immortality or moksha or some such>great>> activity? I shall be most grateful.>> With best wishes and warm regards,>> Sanjay Rath>> * * *>> Sri Jagannath CenterR>> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road>> New Delhi 110060, India>> http://srath.com <http://srath.com/> , +91-11-25717162>> * * *>> >>>>>>>> bharateiya <bharateiya> wrote:>>>> Namaskaar Shree Aruna>>>> Atmakaraka is a propelling graha towards knowledge of oneself. In>> Arudha lagna it disspells the ignorance and the illusion. The result>> is in whenever the associated period starts...the person>will have to>> come face with a difficult circumstance and way out will show the>> person a great secret about life.>>>> The person will realize two sides of a coin is actually the>same coin.>> Such a person will be a great mediator and a diplomat. The native is>> keen on Self Analysis and can recognize slowly and steadily>the effect>> of Maya within.>>>> Such a person can a good teacher and can guide others towards their>> learning and solving life's matters.>>>> I would love to hear other's comments on this very interesting topic.>>>> Thanks and Regards>> Bharat>>>>>>>> --- In vedic astrology, "a_srimantula">> <a_srimantula> wrote:>> > Respected Gurus,>> >>> > In general what are the results of atmakaraka in Arudhalagna?>> > >> >>> > Thanking you all>> > Aruna Srimantula>>>>>>>>>>>> Archives: vedic astrology>>>> Group info: vedic astrology/info.html>>>> To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology->>>> ....... 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Guest guest Report post Posted June 8, 2005 SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM AUM GURUBYO NAMAH Dear Jyothishas, Pranams. i just want to add one more case to what has already been pointed out. Please refer the chart of Shri Guru Nanak Dev who had the lagna lord Sun as Atmakaraka placed together in 4th house in Vrischika(for chart details refer to Jyotish Digest Vol 1.No.2 May 2002 edited by Pt.Sanjay Rath). i can also cite the case of Ramakrishna Paramhamsa where we find Rahu as the Atmakaraka when considered as lagna lord will be in the 4th house in Vrishabha(please remember Kumbha and Vrischika are owned by two grahas and both the signs have two arudhas(for chart details please refer the 9th house chapter in the book Crux of Vedic Astrology-Timing of Events by Pt.Sanjay Rath page No. 397). i just wanted to mention these as important exceptions (which Sanjay definitely knows)as additions. These charts belong to visionaries and one definitely needs great depth of knowledge for braving a voyage into these sagaras/oceans. Sanjay, thanks for the thought provoking write up. Best wishes. Astrologically & spiritually yours, p.s.ramanarayanan. --- Sanjay Rath <guruji wrote: > > > > Jaya Jagannatha > Dear Bharat > > You have made some very fine points about the nature > of the arudha lagna and > atmakaraka. > > Arudha lagna is the illusionary belief system based > on our indoctrination > and what we consider as good and bad, what we > consider as right and wrong. > It is always black and white, the good guys and bad > guys are based on this > indoctrination by society (Moon) and mental > experiences (Moon-manas) which > is based on memory which agai is a function of > selective retention (Jupiter) > and selective erosion (Saturn) based on how pleasant > they were. This emotion > of pleasant memory and otherwise is subjective to > the individual and will > vary based on the rasi where the arudha lagna is. > The arudha lagna is this > illusion that is created by the intelligence (lagna > and paka lagna). > > Now come to the possibility where the arudha lagna > and atmakaraka are in the > same sign. To be in the same sign it becomes > imperative that the lagnesa and > at atmakaraka are different planets. The > indoctrination of the society of > influence is indicated by the arudha lagna. Moon is > the significator for > this showing the primary indoctrination coming from > the society connected > with home - mother, mother tongue, family, childhood > days etc. Jupiter is a > great benefic for the fame and shows the > indictrination coming from the > learning that the society offers. > > Now Atmakaraka is like a Jyotirlinga. It holds > tremendous knowlege - the > knowledge of the paramesthi guru - the knowlegde of > Shiva. This knowledge > when coming into contact with any arudha or any > graha pada throws up the > *untruth* associated with the indoctrination. After > all Shiva is - satyam > shivam sundaram. > > That is why when the arudha lagna and the atmakaraka > come together, the > person starts to question the indoctrination of > society. He challenges the > teachings of the society and may reject many such > teachings. Let us examine > some of these cases (since you take the trouble of > giving the example, its > my pleasure to continue the thread). > > 1. Mahatma Gandhi has atmakaraka Jupiter, so his > arudha lagna and AL are not > the same. I use the time of 7.30 am LMT for his > chart as is reported widely. > The change came for him due to the *atmakaraka > replacement* caused by the > Moon and Jupiter being in the same degree. So at > about 24 -32 years of age > he will change very drastically. When this change > will occur, the arudha > lagna and *new atmakaraka* will become one in Cancer > and he questioned the > political system of the day as he has Rahu > influencing the atmakaraka Moon. > He questioned the untruth in it and started to show > the path to *RAMA RAJYA* > through satyagraha. Remember New AK Moon is with > Rahu. > > 2. Jiddu Krishnamuti has the Sun atmakaraka in > arudha lagna in Aries. This > is the most royal sign and the Sun relates to > father. There is a dictum > which states that the Sun in the 1st or 7th house in > Aries/Libra - native is > abandoned by parents. This is true both for Bhagavan > Sri Rama and Jiddu > Krishnamurti who had Sun in AL in Aries and Saturn > in 7th house. > Krishnamurti lost his mother in 1905 and was finally > adopted by Helena > Blavatsky in 1910. Then there was a legal dispute > over parental custody > between Blavatsky and Jiddu Narasimah > (Krishnamurti's biological father). It > finally ended when Krishnamurti finall appeared at > the Privy council and > chose Blavatsky instead of his father. [at this > stage the arudha lagna > dominated over the atmakaraka as Krishnamurti was > only 18 years old]. > However, the atmakaraka started rising after his 28 > years of age as it is in > Aries - this was triggered by two events (1) death > of father [sun] in 1924 > and (2) death of brother [Mars] in 1925. Look at the > Sun in Aries as AK. > Then in 1929 on the opening day of the annual Star > Camp at Ommen, Holland, > Krishnamurti dissolved the Order before 3000 > members. This was the complete > and total rejection of the arudha. He questioned the > fundamental basis of > the guru-shisya parampara and said that the > spiritual path was a path to > freedom while the guru-shisya parampara of spiritual > lineages in India were > a kind of bondage. Remember AK Sun in AL is aspected > by Saturn. > > 3. Dr. B.V.Raman has the atmakaraka Moon with Saturn > in the arudha lagna and > just like the other two cases, he questioned the > basic theory that jyotisa > should not be taught to foreigners as (1) Jyotisa > was a vedanga and (2) it > should not be taught in foreign languages. He was > the first one to break > free from this in a large scale teaching of jyotisa > through the Astrological > Magazine. To do this he needed to have another yoga > as mentioned in Deva > Keralam: The association of the lords of the 6th and > 8th houses in a yoga > with either the 5th lord or the 5th house. Such a > person will teach the > vedas and vedanga to foreigners in a foreign land > and in a foreign language. > In Dr Raman's chart we find that the fifth lord > Mercury is also the 8th lord > and is in kendra to Moon (sarada yoga) and with the > dharma-karmadhipati yoga > (highest yoga necessary to teach veda/vedanga). > > The point I am trying to make is that when you say > (1) questionig process, > there must be a suitable combination showing the > questioning process and > unless we have a saturn or Rahu involved what will > trigger the questioning? > Saturn indicates sorrow and suffering that triggers > questioning while causes > shocks to start the questioning. (2) Many factors > that you state should be > defined and in general is it necessary to achieve by > teaching this knowledge > to others? There are millions who have had similar > lessons but did not > bother to go out and teach it to others like the > three we discussed above > did. In each of their cases there were yogas outside > the cmbination of AK > and AL to support the activity that is required > after the questioning > process. (3) You have correctly pointed out that a > harsh situation > accelerates the questioning and change - this is > perfectly right but then it > must translate into *jyotisa language* which I have > done by adding the > terrible taste of the malefic planets. > > Finally Bharat, thanks for this. It made me see my > own chart and wonder why > I have done what I did so far and whether I should > continue doing it. [Aug > 7, 1963; 9.15 Pm Sambalpur, India] How many more > harsh lessons will Saturn > give. > > One more point - the final decision shall also > depend on factors outside the > AK, AL story. Lets try these - Why did Krishnamurti > reject the Guru-shisya > parampara of ancient India? Did the makara lagna > have a say? Why did Gandhi > take to Satyagraha on the one hand and dilly dally > with satyagraha in sexual > control? Did the Libra lagna with Mars and Venus > have a say? > > With best wishes and warm regards, > Sanjay Rath > * * * > Sri Jagannath CenterR > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > === message truncated === ________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your friends 'n family snaps for FREE with Photos http://in.photos. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 8, 2005 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Ramnarayan & Bharat This is a note in addition to the one below after my teletalk with Ramnarayan. I agree that there is only one exception and that is very difficult for normal human beings to understand - cases of Ramakrishna Paramhamsa and Guru Nanak Dev where the lagna lord is in the 4th house and associated with the atmakaraka. With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * Sanjay Rath [guruji (AT) srath (DOT) com] Wednesday, June 08, 2005 6:05 PMvedic astrologySubject: RE: [vedic astrology] Re: atmakaraka in Al Jaya JagannathaDear Bharat You have made some very fine points about the nature of the arudha lagna and atmakaraka. Arudha lagna is the illusionary belief system based on our indoctrination and what we consider as good and bad, what we consider as right and wrong. It is always black and white, the good guys and bad guys are based on this indoctrination by society (Moon) and mental experiences (Moon-manas) which is based on memory which agai is a function of selective retention (Jupiter) and selective erosion (Saturn) based on how pleasant they were. This emotion of pleasant memory and otherwise is subjective to the individual and will vary based on the rasi where the arudha lagna is. The arudha lagna is this illusion that is created by the intelligence (lagna and paka lagna). Now come to the possibility where the arudha lagna and atmakaraka are in the same sign. To be in the same sign it becomes imperative that the lagnesa and at atmakaraka are different planets. The indoctrination of the society of influence is indicated by the arudha lagna. Moon is the significator for this showing the primary indoctrination coming from the society connected with home - mother, mother tongue, family, childhood days etc. Jupiter is a great benefic for the fame and shows the indictrination coming from the learning that the society offers. Now Atmakaraka is like a Jyotirlinga. It holds tremendous knowlege - the knowledge of the paramesthi guru - the knowlegde of Shiva. This knowledge when coming into contact with any arudha or any graha pada throws up the *untruth* associated with the indoctrination. After all Shiva is - satyam shivam sundaram. That is why when the arudha lagna and the atmakaraka come together, the person starts to question the indoctrination of society. He challenges the teachings of the society and may reject many such teachings. Let us examine some of these cases (since you take the trouble of giving the example, its my pleasure to continue the thread). 1. Mahatma Gandhi has atmakaraka Jupiter, so his arudha lagna and AL are not the same. I use the time of 7.30 am LMT for his chart as is reported widely. The change came for him due to the *atmakaraka replacement* caused by the Moon and Jupiter being in the same degree. So at about 24 -32 years of age he will change very drastically. When this change will occur, the arudha lagna and *new atmakaraka* will become one in Cancer and he questioned the political system of the day as he has Rahu influencing the atmakaraka Moon. He questioned the untruth in it and started to show the path to *RAMA RAJYA* through satyagraha. Remember New AK Moon is with Rahu. 2. Jiddu Krishnamuti has the Sun atmakaraka in arudha lagna in Aries. This is the most royal sign and the Sun relates to father. There is a dictum which states that the Sun in the 1st or 7th house in Aries/Libra - native is abandoned by parents. This is true both for Bhagavan Sri Rama and Jiddu Krishnamurti who had Sun in AL in Aries and Saturn in 7th house. Krishnamurti lost his mother in 1905 and was finally adopted by Helena Blavatsky in 1910. Then there was a legal dispute over parental custody between Blavatsky and Jiddu Narasimah (Krishnamurti's biological father). It finally ended when Krishnamurti finall appeared at the Privy council and chose Blavatsky instead of his father. [at this stage the arudha lagna dominated over the atmakaraka as Krishnamurti was only 18 years old]. However, the atmakaraka started rising after his 28 years of age as it is in Aries - this was triggered by two events (1) death of father [sun] in 1924 and (2) death of brother [Mars] in 1925. Look at the Sun in Aries as AK. Then in 1929 on the opening day of the annual Star Camp at Ommen, Holland, Krishnamurti dissolved the Order before 3000 members. This was the complete and total rejection of the arudha. He questioned the fundamental basis of the guru-shisya parampara and said that the spiritual path was a path to freedom while the guru-shisya parampara of spiritual lineages in India were a kind of bondage. Remember AK Sun in AL is aspected by Saturn. 3. Dr. B.V.Raman has the atmakaraka Moon with Saturn in the arudha lagna and just like the other two cases, he questioned the basic theory that jyotisa should not be taught to foreigners as (1) Jyotisa was a vedanga and (2) it should not be taught in foreign languages. He was the first one to break free from this in a large scale teaching of jyotisa through the Astrological Magazine. To do this he needed to have another yoga as mentioned in Deva Keralam: The association of the lords of the 6th and 8th houses in a yoga with either the 5th lord or the 5th house. Such a person will teach the vedas and vedanga to foreigners in a foreign land and in a foreign language. In Dr Raman's chart we find that the fifth lord Mercury is also the 8th lord and is in kendra to Moon (sarada yoga) and with the dharma-karmadhipati yoga (highest yoga necessary to teach veda/vedanga). The point I am trying to make is that when you say (1) questionig process, there must be a suitable combination showing the questioning process and unless we have a saturn or Rahu involved what will trigger the questioning? Saturn indicates sorrow and suffering that triggers questioning while causes shocks to start the questioning. (2) Many factors that you state should be defined and in general is it necessary to achieve by teaching this knowledge to others? There are millions who have had similar lessons but did not bother to go out and teach it to others like the three we discussed above did. In each of their cases there were yogas outside the cmbination of AK and AL to support the activity that is required after the questioning process. (3) You have correctly pointed out that a harsh situation accelerates the questioning and change - this is perfectly right but then it must translate into *jyotisa language* which I have done by adding the terrible taste of the malefic planets. Finally Bharat, thanks for this. It made me see my own chart and wonder why I have done what I did so far and whether I should continue doing it. [Aug 7, 1963; 9.15 Pm Sambalpur, India] How many more harsh lessons will Saturn give. One more point - the final decision shall also depend on factors outside the AK, AL story. Lets try these - Why did Krishnamurti reject the Guru-shisya parampara of ancient India? Did the makara lagna have a say? Why did Gandhi take to Satyagraha on the one hand and dilly dally with satyagraha in sexual control? Did the Libra lagna with Mars and Venus have a say? With best wishes and warm regards,Sanjay Rath* * *Sri Jagannath Center®15B Gangaram Hospital RoadNew Delhi 110060, Indiahttp://srath.com, +91-11-25717162* * *>>bharateiya [bharateiya (AT) (DOT) co.in]>Tuesday, June 07, 2005 12:20 AM>To: vedic astrology>[vedic astrology] Re: atmakaraka in Al>>Namaskaar Again Sri Sanjay>>Greal souls who have Atmakaraka in Arudha Lagna are:>1. Mahatma Gandhi>2. Sri J. Krishnamurthi>3. Sri Bangalore Venkata Raman>>There are others whose Atmakaraka aspects the Arudha Lagna:>1. Sri Raman Maharishi - 7th from AL Moon AK 2. Sri Sathya Sai>Bada - 5th from AL Guru AK 3. Sri Gautam Buddha - 7th from AL>Buddha AK 4. Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu - 7th from AL Saturn AK>>I have no references from classical text to show how this>occurs. My logic is:>Arudha Lagna signifies the illusion which is born out of the>seizing effect of Grahas. Seizing is to close one'e eyes to>the whole picture>(Truth) and thereby cause ignorance. The mind then>misinterprets the whole picture by way of Arudha.>>Atmakaraka is the force that desires freedom. It propels us>towards it.>>Atmakaraka in AL signify two opposite forces and therefore a conflict.>Atmakaraka if strong and in its period, will cause a rift in the mind.>It will start the questioning process. The questioning process>shall succeed or not is dependent upon many factors. However,>the march towards emotional maturity and understanding the>limitedness of illusionary joys begins.>>If a harsh situation occurs for the native, then this process>can be faster.>>This is a topic to be researched and I request others to post>their views and if they have sastras know how, then, to share it.>>Thanks and Regards>Bharat>>>>>vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath"><guruji@s...> wrote:>> >> >> Jaya Jagannatha>> Dear Bharat>> Can you cite some examples of great souls who have the atmakaraka in>arudha>> lagna and have shown the path to immortality or moksha or some such>great>> activity? I shall be most grateful.>> With best wishes and warm regards,>> Sanjay Rath>> * * *>> Sri Jagannath CenterR>> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road>> New Delhi 110060, India>> http://srath.com <http://srath.com/> , +91-11-25717162>> * * *>> >>>>>>>> bharateiya <bharateiya> wrote:>>>> Namaskaar Shree Aruna>>>> Atmakaraka is a propelling graha towards knowledge of oneself. In>> Arudha lagna it disspells the ignorance and the illusion. The result>> is in whenever the associated period starts...the person>will have to>> come face with a difficult circumstance and way out will show the>> person a great secret about life.>>>> The person will realize two sides of a coin is actually the>same coin.>> Such a person will be a great mediator and a diplomat. 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Guest guest Report post Posted June 8, 2005 Dear Sanjay Rath! I'm working in tropical system. There are some questions about your horoscope from my side. What could you say about Sedna being in your 1st house with jupiter in opposition to Quaoar in 7th house? What could be the meaning of retro saturn in opposition to sun-venus? With best wishes. Lyudmila vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" <guruji@s...> wrote: > > > > Jaya Jagannatha > Dear Bharat > > You have made some very fine points about the nature of the arudha lagna and > atmakaraka. > > Arudha lagna is the illusionary belief system based on our indoctrination > and what we consider as good and bad, what we consider as right and wrong. > It is always black and white, the good guys and bad guys are based on this > indoctrination by society (Moon) and mental experiences (Moon- manas) which > is based on memory which agai is a function of selective retention (Jupiter) > and selective erosion (Saturn) based on how pleasant they were. This emotion > of pleasant memory and otherwise is subjective to the individual and will > vary based on the rasi where the arudha lagna is. The arudha lagna is this > illusion that is created by the intelligence (lagna and paka lagna). > > Now come to the possibility where the arudha lagna and atmakaraka are in the > same sign. To be in the same sign it becomes imperative that the lagnesa and > at atmakaraka are different planets. The indoctrination of the society of > influence is indicated by the arudha lagna. Moon is the significator for > this showing the primary indoctrination coming from the society connected > with home - mother, mother tongue, family, childhood days etc. Jupiter is a > great benefic for the fame and shows the indictrination coming from the > learning that the society offers. > > Now Atmakaraka is like a Jyotirlinga. It holds tremendous knowlege - the > knowledge of the paramesthi guru - the knowlegde of Shiva. This knowledge > when coming into contact with any arudha or any graha pada throws up the > *untruth* associated with the indoctrination. After all Shiva is - satyam > shivam sundaram. > > That is why when the arudha lagna and the atmakaraka come together, the > person starts to question the indoctrination of society. He challenges the > teachings of the society and may reject many such teachings. Let us examine > some of these cases (since you take the trouble of giving the example, its > my pleasure to continue the thread). > > 1. Mahatma Gandhi has atmakaraka Jupiter, so his arudha lagna and AL are not > the same. I use the time of 7.30 am LMT for his chart as is reported widely. > The change came for him due to the *atmakaraka replacement* caused by the > Moon and Jupiter being in the same degree. So at about 24 -32 years of age > he will change very drastically. When this change will occur, the arudha > lagna and *new atmakaraka* will become one in Cancer and he questioned the > political system of the day as he has Rahu influencing the atmakaraka Moon. > He questioned the untruth in it and started to show the path to *RAMA RAJYA* > through satyagraha. Remember New AK Moon is with Rahu. > > 2. Jiddu Krishnamuti has the Sun atmakaraka in arudha lagna in Aries. This > is the most royal sign and the Sun relates to father. There is a dictum > which states that the Sun in the 1st or 7th house in Aries/Libra - native is > abandoned by parents. This is true both for Bhagavan Sri Rama and Jiddu > Krishnamurti who had Sun in AL in Aries and Saturn in 7th house. > Krishnamurti lost his mother in 1905 and was finally adopted by Helena > Blavatsky in 1910. Then there was a legal dispute over parental custody > between Blavatsky and Jiddu Narasimah (Krishnamurti's biological father). It > finally ended when Krishnamurti finall appeared at the Privy council and > chose Blavatsky instead of his father. [at this stage the arudha lagna > dominated over the atmakaraka as Krishnamurti was only 18 years old]. > However, the atmakaraka started rising after his 28 years of age as it is in > Aries - this was triggered by two events (1) death of father [sun] in 1924 > and (2) death of brother [Mars] in 1925. Look at the Sun in Aries as AK. > Then in 1929 on the opening day of the annual Star Camp at Ommen, Holland, > Krishnamurti dissolved the Order before 3000 members. This was the complete > and total rejection of the arudha. He questioned the fundamental basis of > the guru-shisya parampara and said that the spiritual path was a path to > freedom while the guru-shisya parampara of spiritual lineages in India were > a kind of bondage. Remember AK Sun in AL is aspected by Saturn. > > 3. Dr. B.V.Raman has the atmakaraka Moon with Saturn in the arudha lagna and > just like the other two cases, he questioned the basic theory that jyotisa > should not be taught to foreigners as (1) Jyotisa was a vedanga and (2) it > should not be taught in foreign languages. He was the first one to break > free from this in a large scale teaching of jyotisa through the Astrological > Magazine. To do this he needed to have another yoga as mentioned in Deva > Keralam: The association of the lords of the 6th and 8th houses in a yoga > with either the 5th lord or the 5th house. Such a person will teach the > vedas and vedanga to foreigners in a foreign land and in a foreign language. > In Dr Raman's chart we find that the fifth lord Mercury is also the 8th lord > and is in kendra to Moon (sarada yoga) and with the dharma- karmadhipati yoga > (highest yoga necessary to teach veda/vedanga). > > The point I am trying to make is that when you say (1) questionig process, > there must be a suitable combination showing the questioning process and > unless we have a saturn or Rahu involved what will trigger the questioning? > Saturn indicates sorrow and suffering that triggers questioning while causes > shocks to start the questioning. (2) Many factors that you state should be > defined and in general is it necessary to achieve by teaching this knowledge > to others? There are millions who have had similar lessons but did not > bother to go out and teach it to others like the three we discussed above > did. In each of their cases there were yogas outside the cmbination of AK > and AL to support the activity that is required after the questioning > process. (3) You have correctly pointed out that a harsh situation > accelerates the questioning and change - this is perfectly right but then it > must translate into *jyotisa language* which I have done by adding the > terrible taste of the malefic planets. > > Finally Bharat, thanks for this. It made me see my own chart and wonder why > I have done what I did so far and whether I should continue doing it. [Aug > 7, 1963; 9.15 Pm Sambalpur, India] How many more harsh lessons will Saturn > give. > > One more point - the final decision shall also depend on factors outside the > AK, AL story. Lets try these - Why did Krishnamurti reject the Guru- shisya > parampara of ancient India? Did the makara lagna have a say? Why did Gandhi > take to Satyagraha on the one hand and dilly dally with satyagraha in sexual > control? Did the Libra lagna with Mars and Venus have a say? > > With best wishes and warm regards, > Sanjay Rath > * * * > Sri Jagannath CenterR > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > New Delhi 110060, India > <http://srath.com> http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 > * * * > > > > > >bharateiya [ <bharateiya> > bharateiya] > >Tuesday, June 07, 2005 12:20 AM > >vedic astrology > >[vedic astrology] Re: atmakaraka in Al > > > >Namaskaar Again Sri Sanjay > > > >Greal souls who have Atmakaraka in Arudha Lagna are: > >1. Mahatma Gandhi > >2. Sri J. Krishnamurthi > >3. Sri Bangalore Venkata Raman > > > >There are others whose Atmakaraka aspects the Arudha Lagna: > >1. Sri Raman Maharishi - 7th from AL Moon AK 2. Sri Sathya Sai > >Bada - 5th from AL Guru AK 3. Sri Gautam Buddha - 7th from AL > >Buddha AK 4. Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu - 7th from AL Saturn AK > > > >I have no references from classical text to show how this > >occurs. My logic is: > >Arudha Lagna signifies the illusion which is born out of the > >seizing effect of Grahas. Seizing is to close one'e eyes to > >the whole picture > >(Truth) and thereby cause ignorance. The mind then > >misinterprets the whole picture by way of Arudha. > > > >Atmakaraka is the force that desires freedom. It propels us > >towards it. > > > >Atmakaraka in AL signify two opposite forces and therefore a conflict. > >Atmakaraka if strong and in its period, will cause a rift in the mind. > >It will start the questioning process. The questioning process > >shall succeed or not is dependent upon many factors. However, > >the march towards emotional maturity and understanding the > >limitedness of illusionary joys begins. > > > >If a harsh situation occurs for the native, then this process > >can be faster. > > > >This is a topic to be researched and I request others to post > >their views and if they have sastras know how, then, to share it. > > > >Thanks and Regards > >Bharat > > > > > > > > > >vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" > ><guruji@s...> wrote: > >> > >> > >> Jaya Jagannatha > >> Dear Bharat > >> Can you cite some examples of great souls who have the atmakaraka in > >arudha > >> lagna and have shown the path to immortality or moksha or some such > >great > >> activity? I shall be most grateful. > >> With best wishes and warm regards, > >> Sanjay Rath > >> * * * > >> Sri Jagannath CenterR > >> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > >> New Delhi 110060, India > >> <http://srath.com> http://srath.com < <http://srath.com/> > http://srath.com/> , +91-11-25717162 > >> * * * > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> bharateiya <bharateiya> wrote: > >> > >> Namaskaar Shree Aruna > >> > >> Atmakaraka is a propelling graha towards knowledge of oneself. In > >> Arudha lagna it disspells the ignorance and the illusion. The result > >> is in whenever the associated period starts...the person > >will have to > >> come face with a difficult circumstance and way out will show the > >> person a great secret about life. > >> > >> The person will realize two sides of a coin is actually the > >same coin. > >> Such a person will be a great mediator and a diplomat. The native is > >> keen on Self Analysis and can recognize slowly and steadily > >the effect > >> of Maya within. > >> > >> Such a person can a good teacher and can guide others towards their > >> learning and solving life's matters. > >> > >> I would love to hear other's comments on this very interesting topic. > >> > >> Thanks and Regards > >> Bharat > >> > >> > >> > >> vedic astrology, "a_srimantula" > >> <a_srimantula> wrote: > >> > Respected Gurus, > >> > > >> > In general what are the results of atmakaraka in Arudhalagna? > >> > > >> > > >> > Thanking you all > >> > Aruna Srimantula Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 8, 2005 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sanjay, > Finally Bharat, thanks for this. It made me see my own chart and wonder why I have done what I did so far and whether I should continue doing it. [Aug 7, 1963; 9.15 Pm Sambalpur, India] How many more harsh lessons will Saturn give. > What you are talking about in your case is the lagna lord and AL lord being the same and aspected by AK and Mars (graha dristi)? From what I understand of your discussion on AK in AL, I think that Saturn will force you to develop a detached view of the world (maya) which in turn is confirmed by presence of Ke in AL. regards Hari Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 8, 2005 Namaste All learned members and guruji's, My atmakaraka is Budh which is in 4th house(arudha lagna) along with Lagna lord, Saturn(debilitated). That is, atmakaraka and lagna lord together in Arudha Lagna. I remember, long time back one of the famous astrologers (Sri Narasimhan Iyengar)said that my chart is similar to Sri. Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. I just rembered after reading your email. So, wanted to present my chart as a case. These days I am showing deep interest in vedic astrology. My atmakaraka(Budh in 4th house) and Mars (6th house) are in parivartna. I would appreciate your comments. Thanks. Prema vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" <guruji@s...> wrote: > > > Jaya Jagannatha > Dear Ramnarayan & Bharat > This is a note in addition to the one below after my teletalk with > Ramnarayan. I agree that there is only one exception and that is very > difficult for normal human beings to understand - cases of Ramakrishna > Paramhamsa and Guru Nanak Dev where the lagna lord is in the 4th house and > associated with the atmakaraka. > With best wishes and warm regards, > Sanjay Rath > * * * > Sri Jagannath CenterR > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > New Delhi 110060, India > http://srath.com <http://srath.com/> , +91-11-25717162 > * * * > > > > _____ > > Sanjay Rath [guruji@s...] > Wednesday, June 08, 2005 6:05 PM > vedic astrology > RE: [vedic astrology] Re: atmakaraka in Al > > > > > > Jaya Jagannatha > Dear Bharat > > You have made some very fine points about the nature of the arudha lagna and > atmakaraka. > > Arudha lagna is the illusionary belief system based on our indoctrination > and what we consider as good and bad, what we consider as right and wrong. > It is always black and white, the good guys and bad guys are based on this > indoctrination by society (Moon) and mental experiences (Moon- manas) which > is based on memory which agai is a function of selective retention (Jupiter) > and selective erosion (Saturn) based on how pleasant they were. This emotion > of pleasant memory and otherwise is subjective to the individual and will > vary based on the rasi where the arudha lagna is. The arudha lagna is this > illusion that is created by the intelligence (lagna and paka lagna). > > Now come to the possibility where the arudha lagna and atmakaraka are in the > same sign. To be in the same sign it becomes imperative that the lagnesa and > at atmakaraka are different planets. The indoctrination of the society of > influence is indicated by the arudha lagna. Moon is the significator for > this showing the primary indoctrination coming from the society connected > with home - mother, mother tongue, family, childhood days etc. Jupiter is a > great benefic for the fame and shows the indictrination coming from the > learning that the society offers. > > Now Atmakaraka is like a Jyotirlinga. It holds tremendous knowlege - the > knowledge of the paramesthi guru - the knowlegde of Shiva. This knowledge > when coming into contact with any arudha or any graha pada throws up the > *untruth* associated with the indoctrination. After all Shiva is - satyam > shivam sundaram. > > That is why when the arudha lagna and the atmakaraka come together, the > person starts to question the indoctrination of society. He challenges the > teachings of the society and may reject many such teachings. Let us examine > some of these cases (since you take the trouble of giving the example, its > my pleasure to continue the thread). > > 1. Mahatma Gandhi has atmakaraka Jupiter, so his arudha lagna and AL are not > the same. I use the time of 7.30 am LMT for his chart as is reported widely. > The change came for him due to the *atmakaraka replacement* caused by the > Moon and Jupiter being in the same degree. So at about 24 -32 years of age > he will change very drastically. When this change will occur, the arudha > lagna and *new atmakaraka* will become one in Cancer and he questioned the > political system of the day as he has Rahu influencing the atmakaraka Moon. > He questioned the untruth in it and started to show the path to *RAMA RAJYA* > through satyagraha. Remember New AK Moon is with Rahu. > > 2. Jiddu Krishnamuti has the Sun atmakaraka in arudha lagna in Aries. This > is the most royal sign and the Sun relates to father. There is a dictum > which states that the Sun in the 1st or 7th house in Aries/Libra - native is > abandoned by parents. This is true both for Bhagavan Sri Rama and Jiddu > Krishnamurti who had Sun in AL in Aries and Saturn in 7th house. > Krishnamurti lost his mother in 1905 and was finally adopted by Helena > Blavatsky in 1910. Then there was a legal dispute over parental custody > between Blavatsky and Jiddu Narasimah (Krishnamurti's biological father). It > finally ended when Krishnamurti finall appeared at the Privy council and > chose Blavatsky instead of his father. [at this stage the arudha lagna > dominated over the atmakaraka as Krishnamurti was only 18 years old]. > However, the atmakaraka started rising after his 28 years of age as it is in > Aries - this was triggered by two events (1) death of father [sun] in 1924 > and (2) death of brother [Mars] in 1925. Look at the Sun in Aries as AK. > Then in 1929 on the opening day of the annual Star Camp at Ommen, Holland, > Krishnamurti dissolved the Order before 3000 members. This was the complete > and total rejection of the arudha. He questioned the fundamental basis of > the guru-shisya parampara and said that the spiritual path was a path to > freedom while the guru-shisya parampara of spiritual lineages in India were > a kind of bondage. Remember AK Sun in AL is aspected by Saturn. > > 3. Dr. B.V.Raman has the atmakaraka Moon with Saturn in the arudha lagna and > just like the other two cases, he questioned the basic theory that jyotisa > should not be taught to foreigners as (1) Jyotisa was a vedanga and (2) it > should not be taught in foreign languages. He was the first one to break > free from this in a large scale teaching of jyotisa through the Astrological > Magazine. To do this he needed to have another yoga as mentioned in Deva > Keralam: The association of the lords of the 6th and 8th houses in a yoga > with either the 5th lord or the 5th house. Such a person will teach the > vedas and vedanga to foreigners in a foreign land and in a foreign language. > In Dr Raman's chart we find that the fifth lord Mercury is also the 8th lord > and is in kendra to Moon (sarada yoga) and with the dharma- karmadhipati yoga > (highest yoga necessary to teach veda/vedanga). > > The point I am trying to make is that when you say (1) questionig process, > there must be a suitable combination showing the questioning process and > unless we have a saturn or Rahu involved what will trigger the questioning? > Saturn indicates sorrow and suffering that triggers questioning while causes > shocks to start the questioning. (2) Many factors that you state should be > defined and in general is it necessary to achieve by teaching this knowledge > to others? There are millions who have had similar lessons but did not > bother to go out and teach it to others like the three we discussed above > did. In each of their cases there were yogas outside the cmbination of AK > and AL to support the activity that is required after the questioning > process. (3) You have correctly pointed out that a harsh situation > accelerates the questioning and change - this is perfectly right but then it > must translate into *jyotisa language* which I have done by adding the > terrible taste of the malefic planets. > > Finally Bharat, thanks for this. It made me see my own chart and wonder why > I have done what I did so far and whether I should continue doing it. [Aug > 7, 1963; 9.15 Pm Sambalpur, India] How many more harsh lessons will Saturn > give. > > One more point - the final decision shall also depend on factors outside the > AK, AL story. Lets try these - Why did Krishnamurti reject the Guru- shisya > parampara of ancient India? Did the makara lagna have a say? Why did Gandhi > take to Satyagraha on the one hand and dilly dally with satyagraha in sexual > control? Did the Libra lagna with Mars and Venus have a say? > > With best wishes and warm regards, > Sanjay Rath > * * * > Sri Jagannath CenterR > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > New Delhi 110060, India > <http://srath.com> http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 > * * * > > > > > >bharateiya [ <bharateiya> > bharateiya] > >Tuesday, June 07, 2005 12:20 AM > >vedic astrology > >[vedic astrology] Re: atmakaraka in Al > > > >Namaskaar Again Sri Sanjay > > > >Greal souls who have Atmakaraka in Arudha Lagna are: > >1. Mahatma Gandhi > >2. Sri J. Krishnamurthi > >3. Sri Bangalore Venkata Raman > > > >There are others whose Atmakaraka aspects the Arudha Lagna: > >1. Sri Raman Maharishi - 7th from AL Moon AK 2. Sri Sathya Sai > >Bada - 5th from AL Guru AK 3. Sri Gautam Buddha - 7th from AL > >Buddha AK 4. Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu - 7th from AL Saturn AK > > > >I have no references from classical text to show how this > >occurs. My logic is: > >Arudha Lagna signifies the illusion which is born out of the > >seizing effect of Grahas. Seizing is to close one'e eyes to > >the whole picture > >(Truth) and thereby cause ignorance. The mind then > >misinterprets the whole picture by way of Arudha. > > > >Atmakaraka is the force that desires freedom. It propels us > >towards it. > > > >Atmakaraka in AL signify two opposite forces and therefore a conflict. > >Atmakaraka if strong and in its period, will cause a rift in the mind. > >It will start the questioning process. The questioning process > >shall succeed or not is dependent upon many factors. However, > >the march towards emotional maturity and understanding the > >limitedness of illusionary joys begins. > > > >If a harsh situation occurs for the native, then this process > >can be faster. > > > >This is a topic to be researched and I request others to post > >their views and if they have sastras know how, then, to share it. > > > >Thanks and Regards > >Bharat > > > > > > > > > >vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" > ><guruji@s...> wrote: > >> > >> > >> Jaya Jagannatha > >> Dear Bharat > >> Can you cite some examples of great souls who have the atmakaraka in > >arudha > >> lagna and have shown the path to immortality or moksha or some such > >great > >> activity? 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The native is > >> keen on Self Analysis and can recognize slowly and steadily > >the effect > >> of Maya within. > >> > >> Such a person can a good teacher and can guide others towards their > >> learning and solving life's matters. > >> > >> I would love to hear other's comments on this very interesting topic. > >> > >> Thanks and Regards > >> Bharat > >> > >> > >> > >> vedic astrology, "a_srimantula" > >> <a_srimantula> wrote: > >> > Respected Gurus, > >> > > >> > In general what are the results of atmakaraka in Arudhalagna? > >> > > >> > > >> > Thanking you all > >> > Aruna Srimantula > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Archives: <vedic astrology> > vedic astrology > >> > >> Group info: <vedic- astrology/info.html> > vedic astrology/info.html > >> > >> To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > >> > >> ....... 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Guest guest Report post Posted June 8, 2005 Sorry, I did not mention my lagna and raasi. My lagna is Makara , Raasi is Vrishabh and Arudha Lagna is Aries in 4th house. Thanks. Prema vedic astrology, "onlyhari" <achyutagaddi@g...> wrote: > Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear Sanjay, > > > Finally Bharat, thanks for this. It made me see my own chart and > wonder why I have done what I did so far and whether I should continue > doing it. [Aug 7, 1963; 9.15 Pm Sambalpur, India] How many more harsh > lessons will Saturn give. > > > > What you are talking about in your case is the lagna lord and AL lord > being the same and aspected by AK and Mars (graha dristi)? From what I > understand of your discussion on AK in AL, I think that Saturn will > force you to develop a detached view of the world (maya) which in turn > is confirmed by presence of Ke in AL. > > regards > Hari Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 8, 2005 Jaya Jagannatha Namaste Hari, Sanjayji was telling about his chara kaaraka replacement of Saturn his Ak By his Jupiter, Jupiter takes some role of Atmakaaraka. Jupiter is Lord of AL in Sg. This happens around the time when he got fully involved in Jyotish after quiting his highly placed Govt. Job (Indian Administrative Service). Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa Jupiter - AmK 26 Pi 07' 55.44" Reva 3 Pi Aq Saturn ® - AK 26 Cp 49' 40.71" Dhan 2 Cp Vi Warm Regards Sanjay P. Om Tat Sat vedic astrology, "onlyhari" <achyutagaddi@g...> wrote: > Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear Sanjay, > > > Finally Bharat, thanks for this. It made me see my own chart and > wonder why I have done what I did so far and whether I should continue > doing it. [Aug 7, 1963; 9.15 Pm Sambalpur, India] How many more harsh > lessons will Saturn give. > > > > What you are talking about in your case is the lagna lord and AL lord > being the same and aspected by AK and Mars (graha dristi)? From what I > understand of your discussion on AK in AL, I think that Saturn will > force you to develop a detached view of the world (maya) which in turn > is confirmed by presence of Ke in AL. > > regards > Hari Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 8, 2005 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Gurus How can I calculate the chara karaka replacement? I understand that it is related to the natural age of atmakaraka planet but I do not know how do we find this natural age. Please clarify. Pratap > > Namaste Hari, > Sanjayji was telling about his chara kaaraka replacement of Saturn > his Ak By his Jupiter, Jupiter takes some role of Atmakaaraka. Jupiter > is Lord of AL in Sg. > This happens around the time when he got fully involved in Jyotish > after quiting his highly placed Govt. Job (Indian Administrative Service). > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa > Jupiter - AmK 26 Pi 07' 55.44" Reva 3 Pi Aq > Saturn ® - AK 26 Cp 49' 40.71" Dhan 2 Cp Vi > > Warm Regards > Sanjay P. > > Om Tat Sat > > > vedic astrology, "onlyhari" <achyutagaddi@g...> > wrote: > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > > Dear Sanjay, > > > > > Finally Bharat, thanks for this. It made me see my own chart and > > wonder why I have done what I did so far and whether I should continue > > doing it. [Aug 7, 1963; 9.15 Pm Sambalpur, India] How many more harsh > > lessons will Saturn give. > > > > > > > What you are talking about in your case is the lagna lord and AL lord > > being the same and aspected by AK and Mars (graha dristi)? From what I > > understand of your discussion on AK in AL, I think that Saturn will > > force you to develop a detached view of the world (maya) which in turn > > is confirmed by presence of Ke in AL. > > > > regards > > Hari Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 8, 2005 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Lyudmila This is a forum for Vedic Astrology, very serious Jyotish. Forgive my impudence, but who are Sedna and Quaoar and how did they get into those positions in the chart? If you are talking about the newly discovered planet then what were Western astrologers doing before they found Sedna? Were they all wrong? Which signs will sedna rule and for how long - till another large body is found and qualifies for being a planet and then you will have to allocate another sign in the system... We, in Jyotish need only the Decimal system and ten variables - navagraha from Sun to Saturn + two nodes + ascendant. Others are not wanted as they are not needed to define the pancha tatva (five states of matter = 5 planets from Mercury to Saturn = 5 variables) and the play of lights (Sun+ Moon + Nodes + ascendant for angle of light = 5 variables). With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath CenterR 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * > >lyudmila_31 [lyudmila_31] >Wednesday, June 08, 2005 8:49 PM >vedic astrology >[vedic astrology] Re: atmakaraka in Al > >Dear Sanjay Rath! >I'm working in tropical system. >There are some questions about your horoscope from my side. >What could you say about Sedna being in your 1st house with >jupiter in opposition to Quaoar in 7th house? >What could be the meaning of retro saturn in opposition to sun-venus? > >With best wishes. >Lyudmila > >vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" <guruji@s...> >wrote: >> >> >> >> Jaya Jagannatha >> Dear Bharat >> >> You have made some very fine points about the nature of the arudha >lagna and >> atmakaraka. >> >> Arudha lagna is the illusionary belief system based on our >indoctrination >> and what we consider as good and bad, what we consider as right and >wrong. >> It is always black and white, the good guys and bad guys are based >on this >> indoctrination by society (Moon) and mental experiences (Moon- >manas) which >> is based on memory which agai is a function of selective retention >(Jupiter) >> and selective erosion (Saturn) based on how pleasant they were. >This emotion >> of pleasant memory and otherwise is subjective to the individual >and will >> vary based on the rasi where the arudha lagna is. The arudha lagna >is this >> illusion that is created by the intelligence (lagna and paka lagna). >> >> Now come to the possibility where the arudha lagna and atmakaraka >are in the >> same sign. To be in the same sign it becomes imperative that the >lagnesa and >> at atmakaraka are different planets. The indoctrination of the >society of >> influence is indicated by the arudha lagna. Moon is the >significator for >> this showing the primary indoctrination coming from the society >connected >> with home - mother, mother tongue, family, childhood days etc. >Jupiter is a >> great benefic for the fame and shows the indictrination coming from >the >> learning that the society offers. >> >> Now Atmakaraka is like a Jyotirlinga. It holds tremendous knowlege - > the >> knowledge of the paramesthi guru - the knowlegde of Shiva. This >knowledge >> when coming into contact with any arudha or any graha pada throws >up the >> *untruth* associated with the indoctrination. After all Shiva is - >satyam >> shivam sundaram. >> >> That is why when the arudha lagna and the atmakaraka come together, >the >> person starts to question the indoctrination of society. He >challenges the >> teachings of the society and may reject many such teachings. Let us >examine >> some of these cases (since you take the trouble of giving the >example, its >> my pleasure to continue the thread). >> >> 1. Mahatma Gandhi has atmakaraka Jupiter, so his arudha lagna and >AL are not >> the same. I use the time of 7.30 am LMT for his chart as is >reported widely. >> The change came for him due to the *atmakaraka replacement* caused >by the >> Moon and Jupiter being in the same degree. So at about 24 -32 years >of age >> he will change very drastically. When this change will occur, the >arudha >> lagna and *new atmakaraka* will become one in Cancer and he >questioned the >> political system of the day as he has Rahu influencing the >atmakaraka Moon. >> He questioned the untruth in it and started to show the path to >*RAMA RAJYA* >> through satyagraha. Remember New AK Moon is with Rahu. >> >> 2. Jiddu Krishnamuti has the Sun atmakaraka in arudha lagna in >Aries. This >> is the most royal sign and the Sun relates to father. There is a >dictum >> which states that the Sun in the 1st or 7th house in Aries/Libra - >native is >> abandoned by parents. This is true both for Bhagavan Sri Rama and >Jiddu >> Krishnamurti who had Sun in AL in Aries and Saturn in 7th house. >> Krishnamurti lost his mother in 1905 and was finally adopted by >Helena >> Blavatsky in 1910. Then there was a legal dispute over parental >custody >> between Blavatsky and Jiddu Narasimah (Krishnamurti's biological >father). It >> finally ended when Krishnamurti finall appeared at the Privy >council and >> chose Blavatsky instead of his father. [at this stage the arudha >lagna >> dominated over the atmakaraka as Krishnamurti was only 18 years >old]. >> However, the atmakaraka started rising after his 28 years of age as >it is in >> Aries - this was triggered by two events (1) death of father [sun] >in 1924 >> and (2) death of brother [Mars] in 1925. Look at the Sun in Aries >as AK. >> Then in 1929 on the opening day of the annual Star Camp at Ommen, >Holland, >> Krishnamurti dissolved the Order before 3000 members. This was the >complete >> and total rejection of the arudha. He questioned the fundamental >basis of >> the guru-shisya parampara and said that the spiritual path was a >path to >> freedom while the guru-shisya parampara of spiritual lineages in >India were >> a kind of bondage. Remember AK Sun in AL is aspected by Saturn. >> >> 3. Dr. B.V.Raman has the atmakaraka Moon with Saturn in the arudha >lagna and >> just like the other two cases, he questioned the basic theory that >jyotisa >> should not be taught to foreigners as (1) Jyotisa was a vedanga and >(2) it >> should not be taught in foreign languages. He was the first one to >break >> free from this in a large scale teaching of jyotisa through the >Astrological >> Magazine. To do this he needed to have another yoga as mentioned in >Deva >> Keralam: The association of the lords of the 6th and 8th houses in >a yoga >> with either the 5th lord or the 5th house. Such a person will teach >the >> vedas and vedanga to foreigners in a foreign land and in a foreign >language. >> In Dr Raman's chart we find that the fifth lord Mercury is also the >8th lord >> and is in kendra to Moon (sarada yoga) and with the dharma- >karmadhipati yoga >> (highest yoga necessary to teach veda/vedanga). >> >> The point I am trying to make is that when you say (1) questionig >process, >> there must be a suitable combination showing the questioning >process and >> unless we have a saturn or Rahu involved what will trigger the >questioning? >> Saturn indicates sorrow and suffering that triggers questioning >while causes >> shocks to start the questioning. (2) Many factors that you state >should be >> defined and in general is it necessary to achieve by teaching this >knowledge >> to others? There are millions who have had similar lessons but did >not >> bother to go out and teach it to others like the three we discussed >above >> did. In each of their cases there were yogas outside the cmbination >of AK >> and AL to support the activity that is required after the >questioning >> process. (3) You have correctly pointed out that a harsh situation >> accelerates the questioning and change - this is perfectly right >but then it >> must translate into *jyotisa language* which I have done by adding >the >> terrible taste of the malefic planets. >> >> Finally Bharat, thanks for this. It made me see my own chart and >wonder why >> I have done what I did so far and whether I should continue doing >it. [Aug >> 7, 1963; 9.15 Pm Sambalpur, India] How many more harsh lessons will >Saturn >> give. >> >> One more point - the final decision shall also depend on factors >outside the >> AK, AL story. Lets try these - Why did Krishnamurti reject the Guru- >shisya >> parampara of ancient India? Did the makara lagna have a say? Why >did Gandhi >> take to Satyagraha on the one hand and dilly dally with satyagraha >in sexual >> control? Did the Libra lagna with Mars and Venus have a say? >> >> With best wishes and warm regards, >> Sanjay Rath >> * * * >> Sri Jagannath CenterR >> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road >> New Delhi 110060, India >> <http://srath.com> http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 >> * * * >> >> >> > >> >bharateiya [ <bharateiya> >> bharateiya] >> >Tuesday, June 07, 2005 12:20 AM >> >vedic astrology >> >[vedic astrology] Re: atmakaraka in Al >> > >> >Namaskaar Again Sri Sanjay >> > >> >Greal souls who have Atmakaraka in Arudha Lagna are: >> >1. Mahatma Gandhi >> >2. Sri J. Krishnamurthi >> >3. Sri Bangalore Venkata Raman >> > >> >There are others whose Atmakaraka aspects the Arudha Lagna: >> >1. Sri Raman Maharishi - 7th from AL Moon AK 2. Sri Sathya >Sai Bada - >> >5th from AL Guru AK 3. Sri Gautam Buddha - 7th from AL Buddha AK 4. >> >Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu - 7th from AL Saturn AK >> > >> >I have no references from classical text to show how this >occurs. My >> >logic is: >> >Arudha Lagna signifies the illusion which is born out of >the seizing >> >effect of Grahas. Seizing is to close one'e eyes to the >whole picture >> >(Truth) and thereby cause ignorance. The mind then >misinterprets the >> >whole picture by way of Arudha. >> > >> >Atmakaraka is the force that desires freedom. It propels us towards >> >it. >> > >> >Atmakaraka in AL signify two opposite forces and therefore a >conflict. >> >Atmakaraka if strong and in its period, will cause a rift in the >mind. >> >It will start the questioning process. The questioning >process shall >> >succeed or not is dependent upon many factors. However, the march >> >towards emotional maturity and understanding the limitedness of >> >illusionary joys begins. >> > >> >If a harsh situation occurs for the native, then this >process can be >> >faster. >> > >> >This is a topic to be researched and I request others to post their >> >views and if they have sastras know how, then, to share it. >> > >> >Thanks and Regards >> >Bharat >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" >> ><guruji@s...> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Jaya Jagannatha >> >> Dear Bharat >> >> Can you cite some examples of great souls who have the >atmakaraka in >> >arudha >> >> lagna and have shown the path to immortality or moksha or some >such >> >great >> >> activity? I shall be most grateful. >> >> With best wishes and warm regards, >> >> Sanjay Rath >> >> * * * >> >> Sri Jagannath CenterR >> >> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road >> >> New Delhi 110060, India >> >> <http://srath.com> http://srath.com < <http://srath.com/> >> http://srath.com/> , +91-11-25717162 >> >> * * * >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> bharateiya <bharateiya> wrote: >> >> >> >> Namaskaar Shree Aruna >> >> >> >> Atmakaraka is a propelling graha towards knowledge of oneself. In >> >> Arudha lagna it disspells the ignorance and the illusion. The >result >> >> is in whenever the associated period starts...the person >> >will have to >> >> come face with a difficult circumstance and way out will show the >> >> person a great secret about life. >> >> >> >> The person will realize two sides of a coin is actually the >> >same coin. >> >> Such a person will be a great mediator and a diplomat. The >native is >> >> keen on Self Analysis and can recognize slowly and steadily >> >the effect >> >> of Maya within. >> >> >> >> Such a person can a good teacher and can guide others towards >their >> >> learning and solving life's matters. >> >> >> >> I would love to hear other's comments on this very interesting >topic. >> >> >> >> Thanks and Regards >> >> Bharat >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> vedic astrology, "a_srimantula" >> >> <a_srimantula> wrote: >> >> > Respected Gurus, >> >> > >> >> > In general what are the results of atmakaraka in Arudhalagna? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Thanking you all >> >> > Aruna Srimantula > > > > > > >------------------------ Sponsor >--------------------~--> Would you Help a Child in need? >It is easier than you think. >Click Here to meet a Child you can help. >http://us.click./sTR6_D/I_qJAA/i1hLAA/.8XolB/TM >------------------------------ >-----~-> > > > > > > > >....... 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Guest guest Report post Posted June 8, 2005 Respected Sanjay Ji, Pranaam. Firstly, thank you for the illuminating post about the linkages between the Arudha Lagna and the Atmakaraka. I have some questions. It is stated that the Arudha Lagna is our illusory belief system. It has been consistently seen in the writings here that all Arudha Padas shows the illusions of the 'world' about the various facets of the native's life as seen from the various Bhavas and then manifested as visible indications by the Bhava Padas themselves. It has been taught basically that the metaphysical truth about the Jatak is seen from the Lagna, and what the world perceives of the native is seen from the Arudha Lagna. Is the illusion of Maya that subsists in the Arudha Lagna native- centric? Does it arise of the beliefs of the native himself, whether through retention or rejection of memory or is it that these factors apply to the world at large when they contemplate the native in their own minds? It has also been stated in the past that the illusions of the native are seen from the Graha Arudhas. I suspect there is probably some serious flaw in my understanding or something is amiss. I tend to think that there may not be water- tight distinctions between the various reference points but it would be illuminating if you could shed some more light on this. Could it also be that when AK and AL are conjoined, what happens is that the influences that were coming from the society in the form of opinions and ideas of that society pertaining to the native (AL?), are seen for what they actually are (AK influnece) and the hold of Maya is weakened as the Satya (AK) exposes the empty shell of the Arudha? The timing could be done from the Vimshottari of the AK and the replacement studied as you have instructed in your post. It is clear from the post as to the effects of the AK and linkages with Shani and the effects that could accrue. You have taught that the 7th from AL is the opposition to the image just as the Grahas in the 7th from UL tend to show opposing forces from the family of the spouse. In one's own chart (11th June,1972;10:17 AM; Cuttack, Orissa) the Lagnesh is also the AK placed with Shani and an Amavasya Tithi Chandra in the 10th House, 7th from the AL, and the Surya-Chandra- Shani Yuti is also aspected by the Nodes! The interactions of the image have been such that the tremendous rush and fall of the AL caused by Rashi Drishti of the nodes has been deciphered for being what it is: a big show of transience that changes in such a fickle manner. Since the AK is with Shani in A7, just as you have instructed in the post, the realities relating to interaction have also been suspected, piercing the veil of the Darapada. I am hopeful that to this extent I have understood what has been taught. It would be kind of you to clear the doubts as to indoctrination and the AL. I am aware that this message may have many errors and only seeks to lay down some of my thoughts on the matter. Regards. Anurag Sharma. vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" <guruji@s...> wrote: > > > > Jaya Jagannatha > Dear Bharat > > You have made some very fine points about the nature of the arudha lagna and > atmakaraka. > > Arudha lagna is the illusionary belief system based on our indoctrination > and what we consider as good and bad, what we consider as right and wrong. > It is always black and white, the good guys and bad guys are based on this > indoctrination by society (Moon) and mental experiences (Moon- manas) which > is based on memory which agai is a function of selective retention (Jupiter) > and selective erosion (Saturn) based on how pleasant they were. This emotion > of pleasant memory and otherwise is subjective to the individual and will > vary based on the rasi where the arudha lagna is. The arudha lagna is this > illusion that is created by the intelligence (lagna and paka lagna). > > Now come to the possibility where the arudha lagna and atmakaraka are in the > same sign. To be in the same sign it becomes imperative that the lagnesa and > at atmakaraka are different planets. The indoctrination of the society of > influence is indicated by the arudha lagna. Moon is the significator for > this showing the primary indoctrination coming from the society connected > with home - mother, mother tongue, family, childhood days etc. Jupiter is a > great benefic for the fame and shows the indictrination coming from the > learning that the society offers. > > Now Atmakaraka is like a Jyotirlinga. It holds tremendous knowlege - the > knowledge of the paramesthi guru - the knowlegde of Shiva. This knowledge > when coming into contact with any arudha or any graha pada throws up the > *untruth* associated with the indoctrination. After all Shiva is - satyam > shivam sundaram. > > That is why when the arudha lagna and the atmakaraka come together, the > person starts to question the indoctrination of society. He challenges the > teachings of the society and may reject many such teachings. Let us examine > some of these cases (since you take the trouble of giving the example, its > my pleasure to continue the thread). > > 1. Mahatma Gandhi has atmakaraka Jupiter, so his arudha lagna and AL are not > the same. I use the time of 7.30 am LMT for his chart as is reported widely. > The change came for him due to the *atmakaraka replacement* caused by the > Moon and Jupiter being in the same degree. So at about 24 -32 years of age > he will change very drastically. When this change will occur, the arudha > lagna and *new atmakaraka* will become one in Cancer and he questioned the > political system of the day as he has Rahu influencing the atmakaraka Moon. > He questioned the untruth in it and started to show the path to *RAMA RAJYA* > through satyagraha. Remember New AK Moon is with Rahu. > > 2. Jiddu Krishnamuti has the Sun atmakaraka in arudha lagna in Aries. This > is the most royal sign and the Sun relates to father. There is a dictum > which states that the Sun in the 1st or 7th house in Aries/Libra - native is > abandoned by parents. This is true both for Bhagavan Sri Rama and Jiddu > Krishnamurti who had Sun in AL in Aries and Saturn in 7th house. > Krishnamurti lost his mother in 1905 and was finally adopted by Helena > Blavatsky in 1910. Then there was a legal dispute over parental custody > between Blavatsky and Jiddu Narasimah (Krishnamurti's biological father). It > finally ended when Krishnamurti finall appeared at the Privy council and > chose Blavatsky instead of his father. [at this stage the arudha lagna > dominated over the atmakaraka as Krishnamurti was only 18 years old]. > However, the atmakaraka started rising after his 28 years of age as it is in > Aries - this was triggered by two events (1) death of father [sun] in 1924 > and (2) death of brother [Mars] in 1925. Look at the Sun in Aries as AK. > Then in 1929 on the opening day of the annual Star Camp at Ommen, Holland, > Krishnamurti dissolved the Order before 3000 members. This was the complete > and total rejection of the arudha. He questioned the fundamental basis of > the guru-shisya parampara and said that the spiritual path was a path to > freedom while the guru-shisya parampara of spiritual lineages in India were > a kind of bondage. Remember AK Sun in AL is aspected by Saturn. > > 3. Dr. B.V.Raman has the atmakaraka Moon with Saturn in the arudha lagna and > just like the other two cases, he questioned the basic theory that jyotisa > should not be taught to foreigners as (1) Jyotisa was a vedanga and (2) it > should not be taught in foreign languages. He was the first one to break > free from this in a large scale teaching of jyotisa through the Astrological > Magazine. To do this he needed to have another yoga as mentioned in Deva > Keralam: The association of the lords of the 6th and 8th houses in a yoga > with either the 5th lord or the 5th house. Such a person will teach the > vedas and vedanga to foreigners in a foreign land and in a foreign language. > In Dr Raman's chart we find that the fifth lord Mercury is also the 8th lord > and is in kendra to Moon (sarada yoga) and with the dharma- karmadhipati yoga > (highest yoga necessary to teach veda/vedanga). > > The point I am trying to make is that when you say (1) questionig process, > there must be a suitable combination showing the questioning process and > unless we have a saturn or Rahu involved what will trigger the questioning? > Saturn indicates sorrow and suffering that triggers questioning while causes > shocks to start the questioning. (2) Many factors that you state should be > defined and in general is it necessary to achieve by teaching this knowledge > to others? There are millions who have had similar lessons but did not > bother to go out and teach it to others like the three we discussed above > did. In each of their cases there were yogas outside the cmbination of AK > and AL to support the activity that is required after the questioning > process. (3) You have correctly pointed out that a harsh situation > accelerates the questioning and change - this is perfectly right but then it > must translate into *jyotisa language* which I have done by adding the > terrible taste of the malefic planets. > > Finally Bharat, thanks for this. It made me see my own chart and wonder why > I have done what I did so far and whether I should continue doing it. [Aug > 7, 1963; 9.15 Pm Sambalpur, India] How many more harsh lessons will Saturn > give. > > One more point - the final decision shall also depend on factors outside the > AK, AL story. Lets try these - Why did Krishnamurti reject the Guru-shisya > parampara of ancient India? Did the makara lagna have a say? Why did Gandhi > take to Satyagraha on the one hand and dilly dally with satyagraha in sexual > control? Did the Libra lagna with Mars and Venus have a say? > > With best wishes and warm regards, > Sanjay Rath > * * * > Sri Jagannath CenterR > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > New Delhi 110060, India > <http://srath.com> http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 > * * * > > > > > >bharateiya [ <bharateiya> > bharateiya] > >Tuesday, June 07, 2005 12:20 AM > >vedic astrology > >[vedic astrology] Re: atmakaraka in Al > > > >Namaskaar Again Sri Sanjay > > > >Greal souls who have Atmakaraka in Arudha Lagna are: > >1. Mahatma Gandhi > >2. Sri J. Krishnamurthi > >3. Sri Bangalore Venkata Raman > > > >There are others whose Atmakaraka aspects the Arudha Lagna: > >1. Sri Raman Maharishi - 7th from AL Moon AK 2. Sri Sathya Sai > >Bada - 5th from AL Guru AK 3. Sri Gautam Buddha - 7th from AL > >Buddha AK 4. Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu - 7th from AL Saturn AK > > > >I have no references from classical text to show how this > >occurs. My logic is: > >Arudha Lagna signifies the illusion which is born out of the > >seizing effect of Grahas. Seizing is to close one'e eyes to > >the whole picture > >(Truth) and thereby cause ignorance. The mind then > >misinterprets the whole picture by way of Arudha. > > > >Atmakaraka is the force that desires freedom. It propels us > >towards it. > > > >Atmakaraka in AL signify two opposite forces and therefore a conflict. > >Atmakaraka if strong and in its period, will cause a rift in the mind. > >It will start the questioning process. The questioning process > >shall succeed or not is dependent upon many factors. However, > >the march towards emotional maturity and understanding the > >limitedness of illusionary joys begins. > > > >If a harsh situation occurs for the native, then this process > >can be faster. > > > >This is a topic to be researched and I request others to post > >their views and if they have sastras know how, then, to share it. > > > >Thanks and Regards > >Bharat > > > > > > > > > >vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" > ><guruji@s...> wrote: > >> > >> > >> Jaya Jagannatha > >> Dear Bharat > >> Can you cite some examples of great souls who have the atmakaraka in > >arudha > >> lagna and have shown the path to immortality or moksha or some such > >great > >> activity? I shall be most grateful. > >> With best wishes and warm regards, > >> Sanjay Rath > >> * * * > >> Sri Jagannath CenterR > >> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > >> New Delhi 110060, India > >> <http://srath.com> http://srath.com < <http://srath.com/> > http://srath.com/> , +91-11-25717162 > >> * * * > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> bharateiya <bharateiya> wrote: > >> > >> Namaskaar Shree Aruna > >> > >> Atmakaraka is a propelling graha towards knowledge of oneself. In > >> Arudha lagna it disspells the ignorance and the illusion. The result > >> is in whenever the associated period starts...the person > >will have to > >> come face with a difficult circumstance and way out will show the > >> person a great secret about life. > >> > >> The person will realize two sides of a coin is actually the > >same coin. > >> Such a person will be a great mediator and a diplomat. The native is > >> keen on Self Analysis and can recognize slowly and steadily > >the effect > >> of Maya within. > >> > >> Such a person can a good teacher and can guide others towards their > >> learning and solving life's matters. > >> > >> I would love to hear other's comments on this very interesting topic. > >> > >> Thanks and Regards > >> Bharat > >> > >> > >> > >> vedic astrology, "a_srimantula" > >> <a_srimantula> wrote: > >> > Respected Gurus, > >> > > >> > In general what are the results of atmakaraka in Arudhalagna? > >> > > >> > > >> > Thanking you all > >> > Aruna Srimantula > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Archives: <vedic astrology> > vedic astrology > >> > >> Group info: <vedic- astrology/info.html> > vedic astrology/info.html > >> > >> To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > >> > >> ....... 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Guest guest Report post Posted June 8, 2005 vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" <guruji@s...> wrote: > Respected Sanjayji,Bharatji& Ramnarayanji, First of all I want to thank you all for sharing your valuable thoughts on the placement of atmakaraka in AL.My atmakaraka is mercury and it is placed in scorpio with moon.Scorpio is the 11th house from lagna and is also my AL.During the vimsottari dasa of mercury,I was doing my high school and college education I just wanted to be invisible in class, As Al shows the image, I always felt that all my near and dear had lot of expectations on me(eg : I used to get 70% marks in my subjects , while my teachers and parents used to think Iam an 80%candidate) .Personally I know my candidature,I am very realistic but somehow society perceives me much more than what Iam.Somehow I feel this is due to the placement of atmakaraka in Al.Respected gurus you can always correct my conclusions. Thanking you all Aruna Srimantula > Jaya Jagannatha > Dear Prema > please attach your jhd chart > With best wishes and warm regards, > Sanjay Rath > * * * > Sri Jagannath CenterR > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > New Delhi 110060, India > http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 > * * * > > > > > >ksprema [ksprema] > >Wednesday, June 08, 2005 10:03 PM > >vedic astrology > >[vedic astrology] Re: atmakaraka in Al > > > >Namaste All learned members and guruji's, > > > >My atmakaraka is Budh which is in 4th house(arudha lagna) > >along with Lagna lord, Saturn(debilitated). That is, > >atmakaraka and lagna lord together in Arudha Lagna. I > >remember, long time back one of the famous astrologers (Sri > >Narasimhan Iyengar)said that my chart is similar to Sri. > >Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. I just rembered after reading your > >email. So, wanted to present my chart as a case. > > > >These days I am showing deep interest in vedic astrology. My > >atmakaraka(Budh in 4th house) and Mars (6th house) are in parivartna. > > > >I would appreciate your comments. > > > >Thanks. > >Prema > > > > > >vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" <guruji@s...> > >wrote: > >> > >> > >> Jaya Jagannatha > >> Dear Ramnarayan & Bharat > >> This is a note in addition to the one below after my teletalk with > >> Ramnarayan. I agree that there is only one exception and that is > >very > >> difficult for normal human beings to understand - cases of > >Ramakrishna > >> Paramhamsa and Guru Nanak Dev where the lagna lord is in the 4th > >house and > >> associated with the atmakaraka. > >> With best wishes and warm regards, > >> Sanjay Rath > >> * * * > >> Sri Jagannath CenterR > >> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > >> New Delhi 110060, India > >> http://srath.com <http://srath.com/> , +91-11-25717162 > >> * * * > >> > >> > >> > >> _____ > >> > >> Sanjay Rath [guruji@s...] > >> Wednesday, June 08, 2005 6:05 PM > >> vedic astrology > >> RE: [vedic astrology] Re: atmakaraka in Al > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Jaya Jagannatha > >> Dear Bharat > >> > >> You have made some very fine points about the nature of the arudha > >lagna and > >> atmakaraka. > >> > >> Arudha lagna is the illusionary belief system based on our > >indoctrination > >> and what we consider as good and bad, what we consider as right and > >wrong. > >> It is always black and white, the good guys and bad guys are based > >on this > >> indoctrination by society (Moon) and mental experiences (Moon- > >manas) which > >> is based on memory which agai is a function of selective retention > >(Jupiter) > >> and selective erosion (Saturn) based on how pleasant they were. > >This emotion > >> of pleasant memory and otherwise is subjective to the individual > >and will > >> vary based on the rasi where the arudha lagna is. The arudha lagna > >is this > >> illusion that is created by the intelligence (lagna and paka lagna). > >> > >> Now come to the possibility where the arudha lagna and atmakaraka > >are in the > >> same sign. To be in the same sign it becomes imperative that the > >lagnesa and > >> at atmakaraka are different planets. The indoctrination of the > >society of > >> influence is indicated by the arudha lagna. Moon is the > >significator for > >> this showing the primary indoctrination coming from the society > >connected > >> with home - mother, mother tongue, family, childhood days etc. > >Jupiter is a > >> great benefic for the fame and shows the indictrination coming from > >the > >> learning that the society offers. > >> > >> Now Atmakaraka is like a Jyotirlinga. It holds tremendous knowlege - > > the > >> knowledge of the paramesthi guru - the knowlegde of Shiva. This > >knowledge > >> when coming into contact with any arudha or any graha pada throws > >up the > >> *untruth* associated with the indoctrination. After all Shiva is - > >satyam > >> shivam sundaram. > >> > >> That is why when the arudha lagna and the atmakaraka come together, > >the > >> person starts to question the indoctrination of society. He > >challenges the > >> teachings of the society and may reject many such teachings. Let us > >examine > >> some of these cases (since you take the trouble of giving the > >example, its > >> my pleasure to continue the thread). > >> > >> 1. Mahatma Gandhi has atmakaraka Jupiter, so his arudha lagna and > >AL are not > >> the same. I use the time of 7.30 am LMT for his chart as is > >reported widely. > >> The change came for him due to the *atmakaraka replacement* caused > >by the > >> Moon and Jupiter being in the same degree. So at about 24 -32 years > >of age > >> he will change very drastically. When this change will occur, the > >arudha > >> lagna and *new atmakaraka* will become one in Cancer and he > >questioned the > >> political system of the day as he has Rahu influencing the > >atmakaraka Moon. > >> He questioned the untruth in it and started to show the path to > >*RAMA RAJYA* > >> through satyagraha. Remember New AK Moon is with Rahu. > >> > >> 2. Jiddu Krishnamuti has the Sun atmakaraka in arudha lagna in > >Aries. This > >> is the most royal sign and the Sun relates to father. There is a > >dictum > >> which states that the Sun in the 1st or 7th house in Aries/Libra - > >native is > >> abandoned by parents. This is true both for Bhagavan Sri Rama and > >Jiddu > >> Krishnamurti who had Sun in AL in Aries and Saturn in 7th house. > >> Krishnamurti lost his mother in 1905 and was finally adopted by > >Helena > >> Blavatsky in 1910. Then there was a legal dispute over parental > >custody > >> between Blavatsky and Jiddu Narasimah (Krishnamurti's biological > >father). It > >> finally ended when Krishnamurti finall appeared at the Privy > >council and > >> chose Blavatsky instead of his father. [at this stage the arudha > >lagna > >> dominated over the atmakaraka as Krishnamurti was only 18 years > >old]. > >> However, the atmakaraka started rising after his 28 years of age as > >it is in > >> Aries - this was triggered by two events (1) death of father [sun] > >in 1924 > >> and (2) death of brother [Mars] in 1925. Look at the Sun in Aries > >as AK. > >> Then in 1929 on the opening day of the annual Star Camp at Ommen, > >Holland, > >> Krishnamurti dissolved the Order before 3000 members. This was the > >complete > >> and total rejection of the arudha. He questioned the fundamental > >basis of > >> the guru-shisya parampara and said that the spiritual path was a > >path to > >> freedom while the guru-shisya parampara of spiritual lineages in > >India were > >> a kind of bondage. Remember AK Sun in AL is aspected by Saturn. > >> > >> 3. Dr. B.V.Raman has the atmakaraka Moon with Saturn in the arudha > >lagna and > >> just like the other two cases, he questioned the basic theory that > >jyotisa > >> should not be taught to foreigners as (1) Jyotisa was a vedanga and > >(2) it > >> should not be taught in foreign languages. He was the first one to > >break > >> free from this in a large scale teaching of jyotisa through the > >Astrological > >> Magazine. To do this he needed to have another yoga as mentioned in > >Deva > >> Keralam: The association of the lords of the 6th and 8th houses in > >a yoga > >> with either the 5th lord or the 5th house. Such a person will teach > >the > >> vedas and vedanga to foreigners in a foreign land and in a foreign > >language. > >> In Dr Raman's chart we find that the fifth lord Mercury is also the > >8th lord > >> and is in kendra to Moon (sarada yoga) and with the dharma- > >karmadhipati yoga > >> (highest yoga necessary to teach veda/vedanga). > >> > >> The point I am trying to make is that when you say (1) questionig > >process, > >> there must be a suitable combination showing the questioning > >process and > >> unless we have a saturn or Rahu involved what will trigger the > >questioning? > >> Saturn indicates sorrow and suffering that triggers questioning > >while causes > >> shocks to start the questioning. (2) Many factors that you state > >should be > >> defined and in general is it necessary to achieve by teaching this > >knowledge > >> to others? There are millions who have had similar lessons but did > >not > >> bother to go out and teach it to others like the three we discussed > >above > >> did. In each of their cases there were yogas outside the cmbination > >of AK > >> and AL to support the activity that is required after the > >questioning > >> process. (3) You have correctly pointed out that a harsh situation > >> accelerates the questioning and change - this is perfectly right > >but then it > >> must translate into *jyotisa language* which I have done by adding > >the > >> terrible taste of the malefic planets. > >> > >> Finally Bharat, thanks for this. It made me see my own chart and > >wonder why > >> I have done what I did so far and whether I should continue doing > >it. [Aug > >> 7, 1963; 9.15 Pm Sambalpur, India] How many more harsh lessons will > >Saturn > >> give. > >> > >> One more point - the final decision shall also depend on factors > >outside the > >> AK, AL story. Lets try these - Why did Krishnamurti reject the Guru- > >shisya > >> parampara of ancient India? Did the makara lagna have a say? Why > >did Gandhi > >> take to Satyagraha on the one hand and dilly dally with satyagraha > >in sexual > >> control? Did the Libra lagna with Mars and Venus have a say? > >> > >> With best wishes and warm regards, > >> Sanjay Rath > >> * * * > >> Sri Jagannath CenterR > >> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > >> New Delhi 110060, India > >> <http://srath.com> http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 > >> * * * > >> > >> > >> > > >> >bharateiya [ <bharateiya> > >> bharateiya] > >> >Tuesday, June 07, 2005 12:20 AM > >> >vedic astrology > >> >[vedic astrology] Re: atmakaraka in Al > >> > > >> >Namaskaar Again Sri Sanjay > >> > > >> >Greal souls who have Atmakaraka in Arudha Lagna are: > >> >1. Mahatma Gandhi > >> >2. Sri J. Krishnamurthi > >> >3. Sri Bangalore Venkata Raman > >> > > >> >There are others whose Atmakaraka aspects the Arudha Lagna: > >> >1. Sri Raman Maharishi - 7th from AL Moon AK 2. Sri Sathya > >Sai Bada - > >> >5th from AL Guru AK 3. Sri Gautam Buddha - 7th from AL Buddha AK 4. > >> >Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu - 7th from AL Saturn AK > >> > > >> >I have no references from classical text to show how this > >occurs. My > >> >logic is: > >> >Arudha Lagna signifies the illusion which is born out of > >the seizing > >> >effect of Grahas. Seizing is to close one'e eyes to the > >whole picture > >> >(Truth) and thereby cause ignorance. The mind then > >misinterprets the > >> >whole picture by way of Arudha. > >> > > >> >Atmakaraka is the force that desires freedom. It propels us towards > >> >it. > >> > > >> >Atmakaraka in AL signify two opposite forces and therefore a > >conflict. > >> >Atmakaraka if strong and in its period, will cause a rift in the > >mind. > >> >It will start the questioning process. The questioning > >process shall > >> >succeed or not is dependent upon many factors. However, the march > >> >towards emotional maturity and understanding the limitedness of > >> >illusionary joys begins. > >> > > >> >If a harsh situation occurs for the native, then this > >process can be > >> >faster. > >> > > >> >This is a topic to be researched and I request others to post their > >> >views and if they have sastras know how, then, to share it. > >> > > >> >Thanks and Regards > >> >Bharat > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" > >> ><guruji@s...> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Jaya Jagannatha > >> >> Dear Bharat > >> >> Can you cite some examples of great souls who have the > >atmakaraka in > >> >arudha > >> >> lagna and have shown the path to immortality or moksha or some > >such > >> >great > >> >> activity? 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Guest guest Report post Posted June 9, 2005 Dear Sanjay! Of course the former planets (Sedna and Quaoar) in the belt of asteroids could have not such strong meaning than the visible and well-known planets. They are so small. But have their own orbit over sun. You are right, sometimes it is useful to throw out some subtle factors when you try to generate some strict theory (7 planets). But aren't they (planets) the new "flowers" in the our attempts to concieve the Maya-illusion? In my chart (as I was born in jan 1964) there is similar position of sedna with jupiter, but the house is 10th. And I'm of course in searches of riddles of my life mainly. You may take this only as a note from my side. Best wishes. Lyudmila vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" <guruji@s...> wrote: > > > Jaya Jagannatha > Dear Lyudmila > This is a forum for Vedic Astrology, very serious Jyotish. > > Forgive my impudence, but who are Sedna and Quaoar and how did they get into > those positions in the chart? If you are talking about the newly discovered > planet then what were Western astrologers doing before they found Sedna? > Were they all wrong? Which signs will sedna rule and for how long - till > another large body is found and qualifies for being a planet and then you > will have to allocate another sign in the system... > > We, in Jyotish need only the Decimal system and ten variables - navagraha > from Sun to Saturn + two nodes + ascendant. Others are not wanted as they > are not needed to define the pancha tatva (five states of matter = 5 planets > from Mercury to Saturn = 5 variables) and the play of lights (Sun+ Moon + > Nodes + ascendant for angle of light = 5 variables). > > With best wishes and warm regards, > Sanjay Rath > * * * > Sri Jagannath CenterR > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > New Delhi 110060, India > http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 > * * * > > > > > >lyudmila_31 [lyudmila_31] > >Wednesday, June 08, 2005 8:49 PM > >vedic astrology > >[vedic astrology] Re: atmakaraka in Al > > > >Dear Sanjay Rath! > >I'm working in tropical system. > >There are some questions about your horoscope from my side. > >What could you say about Sedna being in your 1st house with > >jupiter in opposition to Quaoar in 7th house? > >What could be the meaning of retro saturn in opposition to sun- venus? > > > >With best wishes. > >Lyudmila > > > >vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" <guruji@s...> > >wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> Jaya Jagannatha > >> Dear Bharat > >> > >> You have made some very fine points about the nature of the arudha > >lagna and > >> atmakaraka. > >> > >> Arudha lagna is the illusionary belief system based on our > >indoctrination > >> and what we consider as good and bad, what we consider as right and > >wrong. > >> It is always black and white, the good guys and bad guys are based > >on this > >> indoctrination by society (Moon) and mental experiences (Moon- > >manas) which > >> is based on memory which agai is a function of selective retention > >(Jupiter) > >> and selective erosion (Saturn) based on how pleasant they were. > >This emotion > >> of pleasant memory and otherwise is subjective to the individual > >and will > >> vary based on the rasi where the arudha lagna is. The arudha lagna > >is this > >> illusion that is created by the intelligence (lagna and paka lagna). > >> > >> Now come to the possibility where the arudha lagna and atmakaraka > >are in the > >> same sign. To be in the same sign it becomes imperative that the > >lagnesa and > >> at atmakaraka are different planets. The indoctrination of the > >society of > >> influence is indicated by the arudha lagna. Moon is the > >significator for > >> this showing the primary indoctrination coming from the society > >connected > >> with home - mother, mother tongue, family, childhood days etc. > >Jupiter is a > >> great benefic for the fame and shows the indictrination coming from > >the > >> learning that the society offers. > >> > >> Now Atmakaraka is like a Jyotirlinga. It holds tremendous knowlege - > > the > >> knowledge of the paramesthi guru - the knowlegde of Shiva. This > >knowledge > >> when coming into contact with any arudha or any graha pada throws > >up the > >> *untruth* associated with the indoctrination. After all Shiva is - > >satyam > >> shivam sundaram. > >> > >> That is why when the arudha lagna and the atmakaraka come together, > >the > >> person starts to question the indoctrination of society. He > >challenges the > >> teachings of the society and may reject many such teachings. Let us > >examine > >> some of these cases (since you take the trouble of giving the > >example, its > >> my pleasure to continue the thread). > >> > >> 1. Mahatma Gandhi has atmakaraka Jupiter, so his arudha lagna and > >AL are not > >> the same. I use the time of 7.30 am LMT for his chart as is > >reported widely. > >> The change came for him due to the *atmakaraka replacement* caused > >by the > >> Moon and Jupiter being in the same degree. So at about 24 -32 years > >of age > >> he will change very drastically. When this change will occur, the > >arudha > >> lagna and *new atmakaraka* will become one in Cancer and he > >questioned the > >> political system of the day as he has Rahu influencing the > >atmakaraka Moon. > >> He questioned the untruth in it and started to show the path to > >*RAMA RAJYA* > >> through satyagraha. Remember New AK Moon is with Rahu. > >> > >> 2. Jiddu Krishnamuti has the Sun atmakaraka in arudha lagna in > >Aries. This > >> is the most royal sign and the Sun relates to father. There is a > >dictum > >> which states that the Sun in the 1st or 7th house in Aries/Libra - > >native is > >> abandoned by parents. This is true both for Bhagavan Sri Rama and > >Jiddu > >> Krishnamurti who had Sun in AL in Aries and Saturn in 7th house. > >> Krishnamurti lost his mother in 1905 and was finally adopted by > >Helena > >> Blavatsky in 1910. Then there was a legal dispute over parental > >custody > >> between Blavatsky and Jiddu Narasimah (Krishnamurti's biological > >father). It > >> finally ended when Krishnamurti finall appeared at the Privy > >council and > >> chose Blavatsky instead of his father. [at this stage the arudha > >lagna > >> dominated over the atmakaraka as Krishnamurti was only 18 years > >old]. > >> However, the atmakaraka started rising after his 28 years of age as > >it is in > >> Aries - this was triggered by two events (1) death of father [sun] > >in 1924 > >> and (2) death of brother [Mars] in 1925. Look at the Sun in Aries > >as AK. > >> Then in 1929 on the opening day of the annual Star Camp at Ommen, > >Holland, > >> Krishnamurti dissolved the Order before 3000 members. This was the > >complete > >> and total rejection of the arudha. He questioned the fundamental > >basis of > >> the guru-shisya parampara and said that the spiritual path was a > >path to > >> freedom while the guru-shisya parampara of spiritual lineages in > >India were > >> a kind of bondage. Remember AK Sun in AL is aspected by Saturn. > >> > >> 3. Dr. B.V.Raman has the atmakaraka Moon with Saturn in the arudha > >lagna and > >> just like the other two cases, he questioned the basic theory that > >jyotisa > >> should not be taught to foreigners as (1) Jyotisa was a vedanga and > >(2) it > >> should not be taught in foreign languages. He was the first one to > >break > >> free from this in a large scale teaching of jyotisa through the > >Astrological > >> Magazine. To do this he needed to have another yoga as mentioned in > >Deva > >> Keralam: The association of the lords of the 6th and 8th houses in > >a yoga > >> with either the 5th lord or the 5th house. Such a person will teach > >the > >> vedas and vedanga to foreigners in a foreign land and in a foreign > >language. > >> In Dr Raman's chart we find that the fifth lord Mercury is also the > >8th lord > >> and is in kendra to Moon (sarada yoga) and with the dharma- > >karmadhipati yoga > >> (highest yoga necessary to teach veda/vedanga). > >> > >> The point I am trying to make is that when you say (1) questionig > >process, > >> there must be a suitable combination showing the questioning > >process and > >> unless we have a saturn or Rahu involved what will trigger the > >questioning? > >> Saturn indicates sorrow and suffering that triggers questioning > >while causes > >> shocks to start the questioning. (2) Many factors that you state > >should be > >> defined and in general is it necessary to achieve by teaching this > >knowledge > >> to others? There are millions who have had similar lessons but did > >not > >> bother to go out and teach it to others like the three we discussed > >above > >> did. In each of their cases there were yogas outside the cmbination > >of AK > >> and AL to support the activity that is required after the > >questioning > >> process. (3) You have correctly pointed out that a harsh situation > >> accelerates the questioning and change - this is perfectly right > >but then it > >> must translate into *jyotisa language* which I have done by adding > >the > >> terrible taste of the malefic planets. > >> > >> Finally Bharat, thanks for this. It made me see my own chart and > >wonder why > >> I have done what I did so far and whether I should continue doing > >it. [Aug > >> 7, 1963; 9.15 Pm Sambalpur, India] How many more harsh lessons will > >Saturn > >> give. > >> > >> One more point - the final decision shall also depend on factors > >outside the > >> AK, AL story. Lets try these - Why did Krishnamurti reject the Guru- > >shisya > >> parampara of ancient India? Did the makara lagna have a say? Why > >did Gandhi > >> take to Satyagraha on the one hand and dilly dally with satyagraha > >in sexual > >> control? Did the Libra lagna with Mars and Venus have a say? > >> > >> With best wishes and warm regards, > >> Sanjay Rath Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 9, 2005 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Anurag Illusion is not something that is just centric to the individual. It is an image and will be seen differently b different people based on their own perception of the image. The way you look at Bill Clinton shall be different than the way I see him or the way Hillary Clinton sees him, so it is centric from various view points. Yet it is an image and this image is a more than life figure as the President of the USA. This image is the arudha and he rode this image for some time and then the nature of the arudha changed, yet the hangover of the arudha continues. It is more like a flavor that is based on retained memory. Now we all know (retained memory) that he was the president. He also knows this. What happens to one like President Reagan who loses the memory that he was President. What effect does this have on the arudha? Does it cause the arudha to change from (1) his perspective and (2) from the worlds perspective. So you see the arudha is important and the paka lagna is also very important. If the lagnesa does not like the arudha for some reason in the change in dasa due to anifestation of disease or an accident etc, then the memory of the arudha maybe wiped out. Here the AK comes into the picture and you will find the AK laying a role to do this job...or sometimes the GURU the Bhratrkaraka as the Guru has the power to memory. See Reagans chart. In Reagans chart the AK Mercury is in lagna (intelligence) with Mars and aspected by Rahu...is this not a curse coming on the Mercury? Note that there are two charakaraka replacements involving (1) PiK and PK and (2) BK and MK. It was in the dasa of the AK which is also badhakesh and in the curse that the disease got really bad, especially after 1994 onwards. I think he finally died in Merc dasa Mars antardasa...planets in lagna. Point again is did the arudha change? From his viewpoint [lagna/lagnesh] it did as he forget he was President, and even forgot the name of his wife etc...it must be very painful for the near and dear ones. But for the world [Moon] the arudha never changed. Now try to do the chart of someone like Saint Joan who was burnt as a witch and then canonised as a saint. The arudha changed after death! How do we see this??? Interesting. With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath CenterR 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * > >anuraagsharma27 [anuraagsharma27] >Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:14 AM >vedic astrology >[vedic astrology] Re: atmakaraka in Al > >Respected Sanjay Ji, > >Pranaam. > >Firstly, thank you for the illuminating post about the >linkages between the Arudha Lagna and the Atmakaraka. > >I have some questions. It is stated that the Arudha Lagna is >our illusory belief system. It has been consistently seen in >the writings here that all Arudha Padas shows the illusions of >the 'world' about the various facets of the native's life as >seen from the various Bhavas and then manifested as visible >indications by the Bhava Padas themselves. It has been taught >basically that the metaphysical truth about the Jatak is seen >from the Lagna, and what the world perceives of the native is >seen from the Arudha Lagna. > >Is the illusion of Maya that subsists in the Arudha Lagna >native- centric? Does it arise of the beliefs of the native >himself, whether through retention or rejection of memory or >is it that these factors apply to the world at large when they >contemplate the native in their own minds? > >It has also been stated in the past that the illusions of the >native are seen from the Graha Arudhas. > >I suspect there is probably some serious flaw in my >understanding or something is amiss. I tend to think that >there may not be water- tight distinctions between the various >reference points but it would be illuminating if you could >shed some more light on this. > >Could it also be that when AK and AL are conjoined, what >happens is that the influences that were coming from the >society in the form of opinions and ideas of that society >pertaining to the native (AL?), are seen for what they >actually are (AK influnece) and the hold of Maya is weakened >as the Satya (AK) exposes the empty shell of the Arudha? The >timing could be done from the Vimshottari of the AK and the >replacement studied as you have instructed in your post. > >It is clear from the post as to the effects of the AK and >linkages with Shani and the effects that could accrue. You >have taught that the 7th from AL is the opposition to the >image just as the Grahas in the 7th from UL tend to show >opposing forces from the family of the spouse. In one's own >chart (11th June,1972;10:17 AM; Cuttack, >Orissa) the Lagnesh is also the AK placed with Shani and an >Amavasya Tithi Chandra in the 10th House, 7th from the AL, and >the Surya-Chandra- Shani Yuti is also aspected by the Nodes! >The interactions of the image have been such that the >tremendous rush and fall of the AL caused by Rashi Drishti of >the nodes has been deciphered for being what it is: a big show >of transience that changes in such a fickle manner. > >Since the AK is with Shani in A7, just as you have instructed >in the post, the realities relating to interaction have also >been suspected, piercing the veil of the Darapada. I am >hopeful that to this extent I have understood what has been taught. > >It would be kind of you to clear the doubts as to >indoctrination and the AL. > >I am aware that this message may have many errors and only >seeks to lay down some of my thoughts on the matter. > >Regards. > >Anurag Sharma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" <guruji@s...> >wrote: >> >> >> >> Jaya Jagannatha >> Dear Bharat >> >> You have made some very fine points about the nature of the arudha >lagna and >> atmakaraka. >> >> Arudha lagna is the illusionary belief system based on our >indoctrination >> and what we consider as good and bad, what we consider as right >and wrong. >> It is always black and white, the good guys and bad guys are based >on this >> indoctrination by society (Moon) and mental experiences (Moon- >manas) which >> is based on memory which agai is a function of selective retention >(Jupiter) >> and selective erosion (Saturn) based on how pleasant they were. >This emotion >> of pleasant memory and otherwise is subjective to the individual >and will >> vary based on the rasi where the arudha lagna is. The arudha lagna >is this >> illusion that is created by the intelligence (lagna and paka >lagna). >> >> Now come to the possibility where the arudha lagna and atmakaraka >are in the >> same sign. To be in the same sign it becomes imperative that the >lagnesa and >> at atmakaraka are different planets. The indoctrination of the >society of >> influence is indicated by the arudha lagna. Moon is the >significator for >> this showing the primary indoctrination coming from the society >connected >> with home - mother, mother tongue, family, childhood days etc. >Jupiter is a >> great benefic for the fame and shows the indictrination coming >from the >> learning that the society offers. >> >> Now Atmakaraka is like a Jyotirlinga. It holds tremendous >knowlege - the >> knowledge of the paramesthi guru - the knowlegde of Shiva. This >knowledge >> when coming into contact with any arudha or any graha pada throws >up the >> *untruth* associated with the indoctrination. After all Shiva is - >satyam >> shivam sundaram. >> >> That is why when the arudha lagna and the atmakaraka come >together, the >> person starts to question the indoctrination of society. He >challenges the >> teachings of the society and may reject many such teachings. Let >us examine >> some of these cases (since you take the trouble of giving the >example, its >> my pleasure to continue the thread). >> >> 1. Mahatma Gandhi has atmakaraka Jupiter, so his arudha lagna and >AL are not >> the same. I use the time of 7.30 am LMT for his chart as is >reported widely. >> The change came for him due to the *atmakaraka replacement* caused >by the >> Moon and Jupiter being in the same degree. So at about 24 -32 >years of age >> he will change very drastically. When this change will occur, the >arudha >> lagna and *new atmakaraka* will become one in Cancer and he >questioned the >> political system of the day as he has Rahu influencing the >atmakaraka Moon. >> He questioned the untruth in it and started to show the path to >*RAMA RAJYA* >> through satyagraha. Remember New AK Moon is with Rahu. >> >> 2. Jiddu Krishnamuti has the Sun atmakaraka in arudha lagna in >Aries. This >> is the most royal sign and the Sun relates to father. There is a >dictum >> which states that the Sun in the 1st or 7th house in Aries/Libra - >native is >> abandoned by parents. This is true both for Bhagavan Sri Rama and >Jiddu >> Krishnamurti who had Sun in AL in Aries and Saturn in 7th house. >> Krishnamurti lost his mother in 1905 and was finally adopted by >Helena >> Blavatsky in 1910. Then there was a legal dispute over parental >custody >> between Blavatsky and Jiddu Narasimah (Krishnamurti's biological >father). It >> finally ended when Krishnamurti finall appeared at the Privy >council and >> chose Blavatsky instead of his father. [at this stage the arudha >lagna >> dominated over the atmakaraka as Krishnamurti was only 18 years >old]. >> However, the atmakaraka started rising after his 28 years of age >as it is in >> Aries - this was triggered by two events (1) death of father [sun] >in 1924 >> and (2) death of brother [Mars] in 1925. Look at the Sun in Aries >as AK. >> Then in 1929 on the opening day of the annual Star Camp at Ommen, >Holland, >> Krishnamurti dissolved the Order before 3000 members. This was the >complete >> and total rejection of the arudha. He questioned the fundamental >basis of >> the guru-shisya parampara and said that the spiritual path was a >path to >> freedom while the guru-shisya parampara of spiritual lineages in >India were >> a kind of bondage. Remember AK Sun in AL is aspected by Saturn. >> >> 3. Dr. B.V.Raman has the atmakaraka Moon with Saturn in the arudha >lagna and >> just like the other two cases, he questioned the basic theory that >jyotisa >> should not be taught to foreigners as (1) Jyotisa was a vedanga >and (2) it >> should not be taught in foreign languages. He was the first one to >break >> free from this in a large scale teaching of jyotisa through the >Astrological >> Magazine. To do this he needed to have another yoga as mentioned >in Deva >> Keralam: The association of the lords of the 6th and 8th houses in >a yoga >> with either the 5th lord or the 5th house. Such a person will >teach the >> vedas and vedanga to foreigners in a foreign land and in a foreign >language. >> In Dr Raman's chart we find that the fifth lord Mercury is also >the 8th lord >> and is in kendra to Moon (sarada yoga) and with the dharma- >karmadhipati yoga >> (highest yoga necessary to teach veda/vedanga). >> >> The point I am trying to make is that when you say (1) questionig >process, >> there must be a suitable combination showing the questioning >process and >> unless we have a saturn or Rahu involved what will trigger the >questioning? >> Saturn indicates sorrow and suffering that triggers questioning >while causes >> shocks to start the questioning. (2) Many factors that you state >should be >> defined and in general is it necessary to achieve by teaching this >knowledge >> to others? There are millions who have had similar lessons but did >not >> bother to go out and teach it to others like the three we >discussed above >> did. In each of their cases there were yogas outside the >cmbination of AK >> and AL to support the activity that is required after the >questioning >> process. (3) You have correctly pointed out that a harsh situation >> accelerates the questioning and change - this is perfectly right >but then it >> must translate into *jyotisa language* which I have done by adding >the >> terrible taste of the malefic planets. >> >> Finally Bharat, thanks for this. It made me see my own chart and >wonder why >> I have done what I did so far and whether I should continue doing >it. [Aug >> 7, 1963; 9.15 Pm Sambalpur, India] How many more harsh lessons >will Saturn >> give. >> >> One more point - the final decision shall also depend on factors >outside the >> AK, AL story. Lets try these - Why did Krishnamurti reject the >Guru-shisya >> parampara of ancient India? Did the makara lagna have a say? Why >did Gandhi >> take to Satyagraha on the one hand and dilly dally with satyagraha >in sexual >> control? Did the Libra lagna with Mars and Venus have a say? >> >> With best wishes and warm regards, >> Sanjay Rath >> * * * >> Sri Jagannath CenterR >> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road >> New Delhi 110060, India >> <http://srath.com> http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 >> * * * >> >> >> > >> >bharateiya [ <bharateiya> >> bharateiya] >> >Tuesday, June 07, 2005 12:20 AM >> >vedic astrology >> >[vedic astrology] Re: atmakaraka in Al >> > >> >Namaskaar Again Sri Sanjay >> > >> >Greal souls who have Atmakaraka in Arudha Lagna are: >> >1. Mahatma Gandhi >> >2. Sri J. Krishnamurthi >> >3. Sri Bangalore Venkata Raman >> > >> >There are others whose Atmakaraka aspects the Arudha Lagna: >> >1. Sri Raman Maharishi - 7th from AL Moon AK 2. Sri Sathya >Sai Bada - >> >5th from AL Guru AK 3. Sri Gautam Buddha - 7th from AL Buddha AK 4. >> >Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu - 7th from AL Saturn AK >> > >> >I have no references from classical text to show how this >occurs. My >> >logic is: >> >Arudha Lagna signifies the illusion which is born out of >the seizing >> >effect of Grahas. Seizing is to close one'e eyes to the >whole picture >> >(Truth) and thereby cause ignorance. The mind then >misinterprets the >> >whole picture by way of Arudha. >> > >> >Atmakaraka is the force that desires freedom. It propels us towards >> >it. >> > >> >Atmakaraka in AL signify two opposite forces and therefore a >conflict. >> >Atmakaraka if strong and in its period, will cause a rift in the >mind. >> >It will start the questioning process. The questioning >process shall >> >succeed or not is dependent upon many factors. However, the march >> >towards emotional maturity and understanding the limitedness of >> >illusionary joys begins. >> > >> >If a harsh situation occurs for the native, then this >process can be >> >faster. >> > >> >This is a topic to be researched and I request others to post their >> >views and if they have sastras know how, then, to share it. >> > >> >Thanks and Regards >> >Bharat >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" >> ><guruji@s...> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Jaya Jagannatha >> >> Dear Bharat >> >> Can you cite some examples of great souls who have the >atmakaraka in >> >arudha >> >> lagna and have shown the path to immortality or moksha or some >such >> >great >> >> activity? I shall be most grateful. >> >> With best wishes and warm regards, >> >> Sanjay Rath >> >> * * * >> >> Sri Jagannath CenterR >> >> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road >> >> New Delhi 110060, India >> >> <http://srath.com> http://srath.com < <http://srath.com/> >> http://srath.com/> , +91-11-25717162 >> >> * * * >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> bharateiya <bharateiya> wrote: >> >> >> >> Namaskaar Shree Aruna >> >> >> >> Atmakaraka is a propelling graha towards knowledge of oneself. >In >> >> Arudha lagna it disspells the ignorance and the illusion. The >result >> >> is in whenever the associated period starts...the person >> >will have to >> >> come face with a difficult circumstance and way out will show >the >> >> person a great secret about life. >> >> >> >> The person will realize two sides of a coin is actually the >> >same coin. >> >> Such a person will be a great mediator and a diplomat. The >native is >> >> keen on Self Analysis and can recognize slowly and steadily >> >the effect >> >> of Maya within. >> >> >> >> Such a person can a good teacher and can guide others towards >their >> >> learning and solving life's matters. >> >> >> >> I would love to hear other's comments on this very interesting >topic. >> >> >> >> Thanks and Regards >> >> Bharat >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> vedic astrology, "a_srimantula" >> >> <a_srimantula> wrote: >> >> > Respected Gurus, >> >> > >> >> > In general what are the results of atmakaraka in Arudhalagna? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Thanking you all >> >> > Aruna Srimantula >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Archives: <vedic astrology> >> vedic astrology >> >> >> >> Group info: <vedic- >astrology/info.html> >> vedic astrology/info.html >> >> >> >> To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > >> >> >> >> ....... 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Guest guest Report post Posted June 12, 2005 Namaskaar Sri Sanjay I apologize for replying late. I have been advised rest by the doctor as over exertion especially too much work on computer and going out in the Sun took toll on me. However I could not resist myself from praising your response. You have given shape to the idea in astrology terms and I am glad I am part of this group to be able to read it. I have much to learn and this awareness of my ignorance keeps me striving for more knowledge. My Arudha Lagna's Lord is my Atmakaraka. Perhaps it has something to do with it. Saturn's harsh lessons are only appearing so in terms of affluence that you attract towards yourself. Such that the attachment does not occur to the same, you are saved by Saturn. You stand for tradition and atmakaraka gains a lot by it, it does not let you be attached to it. Saturn brings to you joys of breaking an identification to a part of society and making you identified with the larger unconnected whole. It is very interesting that Mars is guarding your identification to the tradition. I am reminded of Sri Nachiketa's story with Sri Dharmaraaj Yama. The Kaal is promising you all the enjoyments through mooltrikona Rahu-Ketu and yet the Atmakaraka is forcing you to reject the same for furtherance of knowledge. It must be painful till you realize the benefit. I agree. Why did J. Krishnamurti leave the Guru Shishya parampara: Surya in Arudha Lagna. Surya represents freedom. It is a leader and non dependent upon anything. It is light unto itself. It takes Guru-Shishya Parampara as a bondage as sooner or later Shishyas get attached to the Guru. Sun represents the Truth such that its light burns the darkness (ignorance). Sun, as an Atmakaraka is extremely independent. However, he only laid emphasis on the idea of attachment and not on the learning. He was pro education and learning perhaps from multiple gurus. I would say the nature of Atmakaraka has a great role to play alongwith the planets aspecting it, as you mentioned. Another thing to see is that the Arudha lagna and the Atmakaraka are in the 4th house. It is possible that he did not force his thought upon anyone and let it be known to those who came to him. In Mahatma Gandhi's chart the AL and AK are placed in the tenth house and it is possible that he expressed the same in his work and involved those who were under his domain. His dilly dally with sexual control was possible due to his Mars and Venus in the lagna. It was an issue for him. Very correctly stated. Here Moon is the Atmakaraka and it is through sensitivity, societal benefit, love and devotion that are causing the satyagraha against the Arudha. All qualities of the Moon. Thanks and Regards Bharat vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" <guruji@s...> wrote: > > > > Jaya Jagannatha > Dear Bharat > > You have made some very fine points about the nature of the arudha lagna and > atmakaraka. > > Arudha lagna is the illusionary belief system based on our indoctrination > and what we consider as good and bad, what we consider as right and wrong. > It is always black and white, the good guys and bad guys are based on this > indoctrination by society (Moon) and mental experiences (Moon-manas) which > is based on memory which agai is a function of selective retention (Jupiter) > and selective erosion (Saturn) based on how pleasant they were. This emotion > of pleasant memory and otherwise is subjective to the individual and will > vary based on the rasi where the arudha lagna is. The arudha lagna is this > illusion that is created by the intelligence (lagna and paka lagna). > > Now come to the possibility where the arudha lagna and atmakaraka are in the > same sign. To be in the same sign it becomes imperative that the lagnesa and > at atmakaraka are different planets. The indoctrination of the society of > influence is indicated by the arudha lagna. Moon is the significator for > this showing the primary indoctrination coming from the society connected > with home - mother, mother tongue, family, childhood days etc. Jupiter is a > great benefic for the fame and shows the indictrination coming from the > learning that the society offers. > > Now Atmakaraka is like a Jyotirlinga. It holds tremendous knowlege - the > knowledge of the paramesthi guru - the knowlegde of Shiva. This knowledge > when coming into contact with any arudha or any graha pada throws up the > *untruth* associated with the indoctrination. After all Shiva is - satyam > shivam sundaram. > > That is why when the arudha lagna and the atmakaraka come together, the > person starts to question the indoctrination of society. He challenges the > teachings of the society and may reject many such teachings. Let us examine > some of these cases (since you take the trouble of giving the example, its > my pleasure to continue the thread). > > 1. Mahatma Gandhi has atmakaraka Jupiter, so his arudha lagna and AL are not > the same. I use the time of 7.30 am LMT for his chart as is reported widely. > The change came for him due to the *atmakaraka replacement* caused by the > Moon and Jupiter being in the same degree. So at about 24 -32 years of age > he will change very drastically. When this change will occur, the arudha > lagna and *new atmakaraka* will become one in Cancer and he questioned the > political system of the day as he has Rahu influencing the atmakaraka Moon. > He questioned the untruth in it and started to show the path to *RAMA RAJYA* > through satyagraha. Remember New AK Moon is with Rahu. > > 2. Jiddu Krishnamuti has the Sun atmakaraka in arudha lagna in Aries. This > is the most royal sign and the Sun relates to father. There is a dictum > which states that the Sun in the 1st or 7th house in Aries/Libra - native is > abandoned by parents. This is true both for Bhagavan Sri Rama and Jiddu > Krishnamurti who had Sun in AL in Aries and Saturn in 7th house. > Krishnamurti lost his mother in 1905 and was finally adopted by Helena > Blavatsky in 1910. Then there was a legal dispute over parental custody > between Blavatsky and Jiddu Narasimah (Krishnamurti's biological father). It > finally ended when Krishnamurti finall appeared at the Privy council and > chose Blavatsky instead of his father. [at this stage the arudha lagna > dominated over the atmakaraka as Krishnamurti was only 18 years old]. > However, the atmakaraka started rising after his 28 years of age as it is in > Aries - this was triggered by two events (1) death of father [sun] in 1924 > and (2) death of brother [Mars] in 1925. Look at the Sun in Aries as AK. > Then in 1929 on the opening day of the annual Star Camp at Ommen, Holland, > Krishnamurti dissolved the Order before 3000 members. This was the complete > and total rejection of the arudha. He questioned the fundamental basis of > the guru-shisya parampara and said that the spiritual path was a path to > freedom while the guru-shisya parampara of spiritual lineages in India were > a kind of bondage. Remember AK Sun in AL is aspected by Saturn. > > 3. Dr. B.V.Raman has the atmakaraka Moon with Saturn in the arudha lagna and > just like the other two cases, he questioned the basic theory that jyotisa > should not be taught to foreigners as (1) Jyotisa was a vedanga and (2) it > should not be taught in foreign languages. He was the first one to break > free from this in a large scale teaching of jyotisa through the Astrological > Magazine. To do this he needed to have another yoga as mentioned in Deva > Keralam: The association of the lords of the 6th and 8th houses in a yoga > with either the 5th lord or the 5th house. Such a person will teach the > vedas and vedanga to foreigners in a foreign land and in a foreign language. > In Dr Raman's chart we find that the fifth lord Mercury is also the 8th lord > and is in kendra to Moon (sarada yoga) and with the dharma-karmadhipati yoga > (highest yoga necessary to teach veda/vedanga). > > The point I am trying to make is that when you say (1) questionig process, > there must be a suitable combination showing the questioning process and > unless we have a saturn or Rahu involved what will trigger the questioning? > Saturn indicates sorrow and suffering that triggers questioning while causes > shocks to start the questioning. (2) Many factors that you state should be > defined and in general is it necessary to achieve by teaching this knowledge > to others? There are millions who have had similar lessons but did not > bother to go out and teach it to others like the three we discussed above > did. In each of their cases there were yogas outside the cmbination of AK > and AL to support the activity that is required after the questioning > process. (3) You have correctly pointed out that a harsh situation > accelerates the questioning and change - this is perfectly right but then it > must translate into *jyotisa language* which I have done by adding the > terrible taste of the malefic planets. > > Finally Bharat, thanks for this. It made me see my own chart and wonder why > I have done what I did so far and whether I should continue doing it. [Aug > 7, 1963; 9.15 Pm Sambalpur, India] How many more harsh lessons will Saturn > give. > > One more point - the final decision shall also depend on factors outside the > AK, AL story. Lets try these - Why did Krishnamurti reject the Guru-shisya > parampara of ancient India? Did the makara lagna have a say? Why did Gandhi > take to Satyagraha on the one hand and dilly dally with satyagraha in sexual > control? Did the Libra lagna with Mars and Venus have a say? > > With best wishes and warm regards, > Sanjay Rath > * * * > Sri Jagannath CenterR > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > New Delhi 110060, India > <http://srath.com> http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 > * * * > > > > > >bharateiya [ <bharateiya> > bharateiya] > >Tuesday, June 07, 2005 12:20 AM > >vedic astrology > >[vedic astrology] Re: atmakaraka in Al > > > >Namaskaar Again Sri Sanjay > > > >Greal souls who have Atmakaraka in Arudha Lagna are: > >1. Mahatma Gandhi > >2. Sri J. Krishnamurthi > >3. Sri Bangalore Venkata Raman > > > >There are others whose Atmakaraka aspects the Arudha Lagna: > >1. Sri Raman Maharishi - 7th from AL Moon AK 2. Sri Sathya Sai > >Bada - 5th from AL Guru AK 3. Sri Gautam Buddha - 7th from AL > >Buddha AK 4. Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu - 7th from AL Saturn AK > > > >I have no references from classical text to show how this > >occurs. My logic is: > >Arudha Lagna signifies the illusion which is born out of the > >seizing effect of Grahas. Seizing is to close one'e eyes to > >the whole picture > >(Truth) and thereby cause ignorance. The mind then > >misinterprets the whole picture by way of Arudha. > > > >Atmakaraka is the force that desires freedom. It propels us > >towards it. > > > >Atmakaraka in AL signify two opposite forces and therefore a conflict. > >Atmakaraka if strong and in its period, will cause a rift in the mind. > >It will start the questioning process. The questioning process > >shall succeed or not is dependent upon many factors. However, > >the march towards emotional maturity and understanding the > >limitedness of illusionary joys begins. > > > >If a harsh situation occurs for the native, then this process > >can be faster. > > > >This is a topic to be researched and I request others to post > >their views and if they have sastras know how, then, to share it. > > > >Thanks and Regards > >Bharat > > > > > > > > > >vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" > ><guruji@s...> wrote: > >> > >> > >> Jaya Jagannatha > >> Dear Bharat > >> Can you cite some examples of great souls who have the atmakaraka in > >arudha > >> lagna and have shown the path to immortality or moksha or some such > >great > >> activity? I shall be most grateful. > >> With best wishes and warm regards, > >> Sanjay Rath > >> * * * > >> Sri Jagannath CenterR > >> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > >> New Delhi 110060, India > >> <http://srath.com> http://srath.com < <http://srath.com/> > http://srath.com/> , +91-11-25717162 > >> * * * > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> bharateiya <bharateiya> wrote: > >> > >> Namaskaar Shree Aruna > >> > >> Atmakaraka is a propelling graha towards knowledge of oneself. In > >> Arudha lagna it disspells the ignorance and the illusion. The result > >> is in whenever the associated period starts...the person > >will have to > >> come face with a difficult circumstance and way out will show the > >> person a great secret about life. > >> > >> The person will realize two sides of a coin is actually the > >same coin. > >> Such a person will be a great mediator and a diplomat. The native is > >> keen on Self Analysis and can recognize slowly and steadily > >the effect > >> of Maya within. > >> > >> Such a person can a good teacher and can guide others towards their > >> learning and solving life's matters. > >> > >> I would love to hear other's comments on this very interesting topic. > >> > >> Thanks and Regards > >> Bharat > >> > >> > >> > >> vedic astrology, "a_srimantula" > >> <a_srimantula> wrote: > >> > Respected Gurus, > >> > > >> > In general what are the results of atmakaraka in Arudhalagna? > >> > > >> > > >> > Thanking you all > >> > Aruna Srimantula > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Archives: <vedic astrology> > vedic astrology > >> > >> Group info: <vedic astrology/info.html> > vedic astrology/info.html > >> > >> > >> > >> ....... 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Guest guest Report post Posted June 12, 2005 Namaskaar Sri Anuraag, Your post and question is addressed to Sri Sanjay. Would you allow me to say something to this effect? Thanks and Regards Bharat vedic astrology, "anuraagsharma27" <anuraagsharma27@h...> wrote: > Respected Sanjay Ji, > > Pranaam. > > Firstly, thank you for the illuminating post about the linkages > between the Arudha Lagna and the Atmakaraka. > > I have some questions. It is stated that the Arudha Lagna is our > illusory belief system. It has been consistently seen in the > writings here that all Arudha Padas shows the illusions of > the 'world' about the various facets of the native's life as seen > from the various Bhavas and then manifested as visible indications > by the Bhava Padas themselves. It has been taught basically that the > metaphysical truth about the Jatak is seen from the Lagna, and what > the world perceives of the native is seen from the Arudha Lagna. > > Is the illusion of Maya that subsists in the Arudha Lagna native- > centric? Does it arise of the beliefs of the native himself, whether > through retention or rejection of memory or is it that these factors > apply to the world at large when they contemplate the native in > their own minds? > > It has also been stated in the past that the illusions of the native > are seen from the Graha Arudhas. > > I suspect there is probably some serious flaw in my understanding or > something is amiss. I tend to think that there may not be water- > tight distinctions between the various reference points but it would > be illuminating if you could shed some more light on this. > > Could it also be that when AK and AL are conjoined, what happens is > that the influences that were coming from the society in the form of > opinions and ideas of that society pertaining to the native (AL?), > are seen for what they actually are (AK influnece) and the hold of > Maya is weakened as the Satya (AK) exposes the empty shell of the > Arudha? The timing could be done from the Vimshottari of the AK and > the replacement studied as you have instructed in your post. > > It is clear from the post as to the effects of the AK and linkages > with Shani and the effects that could accrue. You have taught that > the 7th from AL is the opposition to the image just as the Grahas in > the 7th from UL tend to show opposing forces from the family of the > spouse. In one's own chart (11th June,1972;10:17 AM; Cuttack, > Orissa) the Lagnesh is also the AK placed with Shani and an Amavasya > Tithi > Chandra in the 10th House, 7th from the AL, and the Surya-Chandra- > Shani Yuti is also aspected by the Nodes! The interactions of the > image have been such that the tremendous rush and fall of the AL > caused by Rashi Drishti of the nodes has been deciphered for being > what it is: a big show of transience that changes in such a fickle > manner. > > Since the AK is with Shani in A7, just as you have instructed in the > post, the realities relating to interaction have also been > suspected, piercing the veil of the Darapada. I am hopeful that to > this extent I have understood what has been taught. > > It would be kind of you to clear the doubts as to indoctrination and > the AL. > > I am aware that this message may have many errors and only seeks to > lay down some of my thoughts on the matter. > > Regards. > > Anurag Sharma. > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" <guruji@s...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear Bharat > > > > You have made some very fine points about the nature of the arudha > lagna and > > atmakaraka. > > > > Arudha lagna is the illusionary belief system based on our > indoctrination > > and what we consider as good and bad, what we consider as right > and wrong. > > It is always black and white, the good guys and bad guys are based > on this > > indoctrination by society (Moon) and mental experiences (Moon- > manas) which > > is based on memory which agai is a function of selective retention > (Jupiter) > > and selective erosion (Saturn) based on how pleasant they were. > This emotion > > of pleasant memory and otherwise is subjective to the individual > and will > > vary based on the rasi where the arudha lagna is. The arudha lagna > is this > > illusion that is created by the intelligence (lagna and paka > lagna). > > > > Now come to the possibility where the arudha lagna and atmakaraka > are in the > > same sign. To be in the same sign it becomes imperative that the > lagnesa and > > at atmakaraka are different planets. The indoctrination of the > society of > > influence is indicated by the arudha lagna. Moon is the > significator for > > this showing the primary indoctrination coming from the society > connected > > with home - mother, mother tongue, family, childhood days etc. > Jupiter is a > > great benefic for the fame and shows the indictrination coming > from the > > learning that the society offers. > > > > Now Atmakaraka is like a Jyotirlinga. It holds tremendous > knowlege - the > > knowledge of the paramesthi guru - the knowlegde of Shiva. This > knowledge > > when coming into contact with any arudha or any graha pada throws > up the > > *untruth* associated with the indoctrination. After all Shiva is - > satyam > > shivam sundaram. > > > > That is why when the arudha lagna and the atmakaraka come > together, the > > person starts to question the indoctrination of society. He > challenges the > > teachings of the society and may reject many such teachings. Let > us examine > > some of these cases (since you take the trouble of giving the > example, its > > my pleasure to continue the thread). > > > > 1. Mahatma Gandhi has atmakaraka Jupiter, so his arudha lagna and > AL are not > > the same. I use the time of 7.30 am LMT for his chart as is > reported widely. > > The change came for him due to the *atmakaraka replacement* caused > by the > > Moon and Jupiter being in the same degree. So at about 24 -32 > years of age > > he will change very drastically. When this change will occur, the > arudha > > lagna and *new atmakaraka* will become one in Cancer and he > questioned the > > political system of the day as he has Rahu influencing the > atmakaraka Moon. > > He questioned the untruth in it and started to show the path to > *RAMA RAJYA* > > through satyagraha. Remember New AK Moon is with Rahu. > > > > 2. Jiddu Krishnamuti has the Sun atmakaraka in arudha lagna in > Aries. This > > is the most royal sign and the Sun relates to father. There is a > dictum > > which states that the Sun in the 1st or 7th house in Aries/Libra - > native is > > abandoned by parents. This is true both for Bhagavan Sri Rama and > Jiddu > > Krishnamurti who had Sun in AL in Aries and Saturn in 7th house. > > Krishnamurti lost his mother in 1905 and was finally adopted by > Helena > > Blavatsky in 1910. Then there was a legal dispute over parental > custody > > between Blavatsky and Jiddu Narasimah (Krishnamurti's biological > father). It > > finally ended when Krishnamurti finall appeared at the Privy > council and > > chose Blavatsky instead of his father. [at this stage the arudha > lagna > > dominated over the atmakaraka as Krishnamurti was only 18 years > old]. > > However, the atmakaraka started rising after his 28 years of age > as it is in > > Aries - this was triggered by two events (1) death of father [sun] > in 1924 > > and (2) death of brother [Mars] in 1925. Look at the Sun in Aries > as AK. > > Then in 1929 on the opening day of the annual Star Camp at Ommen, > Holland, > > Krishnamurti dissolved the Order before 3000 members. This was the > complete > > and total rejection of the arudha. He questioned the fundamental > basis of > > the guru-shisya parampara and said that the spiritual path was a > path to > > freedom while the guru-shisya parampara of spiritual lineages in > India were > > a kind of bondage. Remember AK Sun in AL is aspected by Saturn. > > > > 3. Dr. B.V.Raman has the atmakaraka Moon with Saturn in the arudha > lagna and > > just like the other two cases, he questioned the basic theory that > jyotisa > > should not be taught to foreigners as (1) Jyotisa was a vedanga > and (2) it > > should not be taught in foreign languages. He was the first one to > break > > free from this in a large scale teaching of jyotisa through the > Astrological > > Magazine. To do this he needed to have another yoga as mentioned > in Deva > > Keralam: The association of the lords of the 6th and 8th houses in > a yoga > > with either the 5th lord or the 5th house. Such a person will > teach the > > vedas and vedanga to foreigners in a foreign land and in a foreign > language. > > In Dr Raman's chart we find that the fifth lord Mercury is also > the 8th lord > > and is in kendra to Moon (sarada yoga) and with the dharma- > karmadhipati yoga > > (highest yoga necessary to teach veda/vedanga). > > > > The point I am trying to make is that when you say (1) questionig > process, > > there must be a suitable combination showing the questioning > process and > > unless we have a saturn or Rahu involved what will trigger the > questioning? > > Saturn indicates sorrow and suffering that triggers questioning > while causes > > shocks to start the questioning. (2) Many factors that you state > should be > > defined and in general is it necessary to achieve by teaching this > knowledge > > to others? There are millions who have had similar lessons but did > not > > bother to go out and teach it to others like the three we > discussed above > > did. In each of their cases there were yogas outside the > cmbination of AK > > and AL to support the activity that is required after the > questioning > > process. (3) You have correctly pointed out that a harsh situation > > accelerates the questioning and change - this is perfectly right > but then it > > must translate into *jyotisa language* which I have done by adding > the > > terrible taste of the malefic planets. > > > > Finally Bharat, thanks for this. It made me see my own chart and > wonder why > > I have done what I did so far and whether I should continue doing > it. [Aug > > 7, 1963; 9.15 Pm Sambalpur, India] How many more harsh lessons > will Saturn > > give. > > > > One more point - the final decision shall also depend on factors > outside the > > AK, AL story. Lets try these - Why did Krishnamurti reject the > Guru-shisya > > parampara of ancient India? Did the makara lagna have a say? Why > did Gandhi > > take to Satyagraha on the one hand and dilly dally with satyagraha > in sexual > > control? Did the Libra lagna with Mars and Venus have a say? > > > > With best wishes and warm regards, > > Sanjay Rath > > * * * > > Sri Jagannath CenterR > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > > New Delhi 110060, India > > <http://srath.com> http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 > > * * * > > > > > > > > > >bharateiya [ <bharateiya> > > bharateiya] > > >Tuesday, June 07, 2005 12:20 AM > > >vedic astrology > > >[vedic astrology] Re: atmakaraka in Al > > > > > >Namaskaar Again Sri Sanjay > > > > > >Greal souls who have Atmakaraka in Arudha Lagna are: > > >1. Mahatma Gandhi > > >2. Sri J. Krishnamurthi > > >3. Sri Bangalore Venkata Raman > > > > > >There are others whose Atmakaraka aspects the Arudha Lagna: > > >1. Sri Raman Maharishi - 7th from AL Moon AK 2. Sri Sathya Sai > > >Bada - 5th from AL Guru AK 3. Sri Gautam Buddha - 7th from AL > > >Buddha AK 4. Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu - 7th from AL Saturn AK > > > > > >I have no references from classical text to show how this > > >occurs. My logic is: > > >Arudha Lagna signifies the illusion which is born out of the > > >seizing effect of Grahas. Seizing is to close one'e eyes to > > >the whole picture > > >(Truth) and thereby cause ignorance. The mind then > > >misinterprets the whole picture by way of Arudha. > > > > > >Atmakaraka is the force that desires freedom. It propels us > > >towards it. > > > > > >Atmakaraka in AL signify two opposite forces and therefore a > conflict. > > >Atmakaraka if strong and in its period, will cause a rift in the > mind. > > >It will start the questioning process. The questioning process > > >shall succeed or not is dependent upon many factors. However, > > >the march towards emotional maturity and understanding the > > >limitedness of illusionary joys begins. > > > > > >If a harsh situation occurs for the native, then this process > > >can be faster. > > > > > >This is a topic to be researched and I request others to post > > >their views and if they have sastras know how, then, to share it. > > > > > >Thanks and Regards > > >Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" > > ><guruji@s...> wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> Jaya Jagannatha > > >> Dear Bharat > > >> Can you cite some examples of great souls who have the > atmakaraka in > > >arudha > > >> lagna and have shown the path to immortality or moksha or some > such > > >great > > >> activity? I shall be most grateful. > > >> With best wishes and warm regards, > > >> Sanjay Rath > > >> * * * > > >> Sri Jagannath CenterR > > >> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > > >> New Delhi 110060, India > > >> <http://srath.com> http://srath.com < <http://srath.com/> > > http://srath.com/> , +91-11-25717162 > > >> * * * > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> bharateiya <bharateiya> wrote: > > >> > > >> Namaskaar Shree Aruna > > >> > > >> Atmakaraka is a propelling graha towards knowledge of oneself. > In > > >> Arudha lagna it disspells the ignorance and the illusion. The > result > > >> is in whenever the associated period starts...the person > > >will have to > > >> come face with a difficult circumstance and way out will show > the > > >> person a great secret about life. > > >> > > >> The person will realize two sides of a coin is actually the > > >same coin. > > >> Such a person will be a great mediator and a diplomat. The > native is > > >> keen on Self Analysis and can recognize slowly and steadily > > >the effect > > >> of Maya within. > > >> > > >> Such a person can a good teacher and can guide others towards > their > > >> learning and solving life's matters. > > >> > > >> I would love to hear other's comments on this very interesting > topic. > > >> > > >> Thanks and Regards > > >> Bharat > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> vedic astrology, "a_srimantula" > > >> <a_srimantula> wrote: > > >> > Respected Gurus, > > >> > > > >> > In general what are the results of atmakaraka in Arudhalagna? > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Thanking you all > > >> > Aruna Srimantula > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Archives: <vedic astrology> > > vedic astrology > > >> > > >> Group info: <vedic- > astrology/info.html> > > vedic astrology/info.html > > >> > > >> To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > >> > > >> ....... 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