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Namaskaar Shree Aruna

 

Atmakaraka is a propelling graha towards knowledge of oneself. In

Arudha lagna it disspells the ignorance and the illusion. The result

is in whenever the associated period starts...the person will have to

come face with a difficult circumstance and way out will show the

person a great secret about life.

 

The person will realize two sides of a coin is actually the same coin.

Such a person will be a great mediator and a diplomat. The native is

keen on Self Analysis and can recognize slowly and steadily the effect

of Maya within.

 

Such a person can a good teacher and can guide others towards their

learning and solving life's matters.

 

I would love to hear other's comments on this very interesting topic.

 

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "a_srimantula"

<a_srimantula> wrote:

> Respected Gurus,

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> In general what are the results of atmakaraka in Arudhalagna?

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> Thanking you all

> Aruna Srimantula

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SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

 

Dear Aruna,

 

In general the posterior/exterior portion does not reveal much about

the inner make up of the individual. Whenever Atmakaraka is in AL the

situation becomes more transparent and the world at large/society

easily weighs/measures the individual. We have a saying in Tamil that

Tigers roam around in the garb of a Cow. These are the cases where

the AL does not reveal much about the AK.

 

i hope this helps.

 

Best wishes.

 

Astrologically & spiritually yours,

p.s.ramanarayanan.

 

 

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> In general what are the results of atmakaraka in Arudhalagna?

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> Thanking you all

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Please give me clarification on the following.

 

What would be the result when atmakaraka in 9th from arudha lagna and if its

saturn occupying gemini.?

 

What would be the result if atmakaraka is debilitated in navamsa and conjoined

with moon and venus in navamsa?.

 

Please reply me.

 

With thanks and regards

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Namaskaar Shree ArunaAtmakaraka is a propelling graha towards knowledge of

oneself. InArudha lagna it disspells the ignorance and the illusion. The

resultis in whenever the associated period starts...the person will have tocome

face with a difficult circumstance and way out will show theperson a great

secret about life.The person will realize two sides of a coin is actually the

same coin.Such a person will be a great mediator and a diplomat. The native

iskeen on Self Analysis and can recognize slowly and steadily the effectof Maya

within. Such a person can a good teacher and can guide others towards

theirlearning and solving life's matters. I would love to hear other's comments

on this very interesting topic.Thanks and RegardsBharat--- In

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Namaskaar Sri Balaji

 

Atmakaraka debilitated in Navamsa is not a good sign for Spiritual

development. Its association with Moon and Venus show it will have to

deal with emotional issues. Such a person may have problems of

emotional maturity and consistency in its spiritual development. This

is the area to focus upon.

 

I am not sure I understand your first question. You say "if its Saturn

occupies Gemini" What is "its" here?

 

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

 

 

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<balaji_g_krishnan> wrote:

> Respected bharateiyaji,

>

> Please give me clarification on the following.

>

> What would be the result when atmakaraka in 9th from arudha lagna

and if its saturn occupying gemini.?

>

> What would be the result if atmakaraka is debilitated in navamsa and

conjoined with moon and venus in navamsa?.

>

> Please reply me.

>

> With thanks and regards

> Balaji G

>

> bharateiya <bharateiya> wrote:

> Namaskaar Shree Aruna

>

> Atmakaraka is a propelling graha towards knowledge of oneself. In

> Arudha lagna it disspells the ignorance and the illusion. The result

> is in whenever the associated period starts...the person will have to

> come face with a difficult circumstance and way out will show the

> person a great secret about life.

>

> The person will realize two sides of a coin is actually the same coin.

> Such a person will be a great mediator and a diplomat. The native is

> keen on Self Analysis and can recognize slowly and steadily the effect

> of Maya within.

>

> Such a person can a good teacher and can guide others towards their

> learning and solving life's matters.

>

> I would love to hear other's comments on this very interesting topic.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

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> > Thanking you all

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Dear Bharat

Can you cite some examples of great souls who have the atmakaraka in arudha

lagna and have shown the path to immortality or moksha or some such great

activity? I shall be most grateful.

With best wishes and warm regards,

Sanjay Rath

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Namaskaar Shree ArunaAtmakaraka is a propelling graha towards knowledge of

oneself. InArudha lagna it disspells the ignorance and the illusion. The

resultis in whenever the associated period starts...the person will have tocome

face with a difficult circumstance and way out will show theperson a great

secret about life.The person will realize two sides of a coin is actually the

same coin.Such a person will be a great mediator and a diplomat. The native

iskeen on Self Analysis and can recognize slowly and steadily the effectof Maya

within. Such a person can a good teacher and can guide others towards

theirlearning and solving life's matters. I would love to hear other's comments

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Pranaam Guruji,

 

Sorry to intrude into your conversation with Bharat ji. If I am not mistaken,

Dr. B.V. Raman has exalted AK Mo in AL.

 

Sincerely,

SupritiSanjay Rath <guruji (AT) srath (DOT) com> wrote:

 

 

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Bharat

Can you cite some examples of great souls who have the atmakaraka in arudha

lagna and have shown the path to immortality or moksha or some such great

activity? I shall be most grateful.

With best wishes and warm regards,

Sanjay Rath

* * *

Sri Jagannath Center®

15B Gangaram Hospital Road

New Delhi 110060, India

http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162

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bharateiya <bharateiya (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Namaskaar Shree ArunaAtmakaraka is a propelling graha towards knowledge of

oneself. InArudha lagna it disspells the ignorance and the illusion. The

resultis in whenever the associated period starts...the person will have tocome

face with a difficult circumstance and way out will show theperson a great

secret about life.The person will realize two sides of a coin is actually the

same coin.Such a person will be a great mediator and a diplomat. The native

iskeen on Self Analysis and can recognize slowly and steadily the effectof Maya

within. Such a person can a good teacher and can guide others towards

theirlearning and solving life's matters. I would love to hear other's comments

on this very interesting topic.Thanks and RegardsBharat--- In

vedic astrology,

"a_srimantula"<a_srimantula> wrote:> Respected Gurus,> > In general what

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Namaskaar Sri Sanjay

 

I do not believe that through horoscope we can know of reaching

immortality. As I have said and asked everyone earlier, that the state

which has no cause cannot be caused by any combination.This presently

remains my belief and I would love answers, discussions on the same.

 

However, the forces can propel you in the direction of seeking

knowledge about oneself. I shall refer to my database and send these

details soon.

 

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

 

 

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> Jaya Jagannatha

> Dear Bharat

> Can you cite some examples of great souls who have the atmakaraka in

arudha

> lagna and have shown the path to immortality or moksha or some such

great

> activity? I shall be most grateful.

> With best wishes and warm regards,

> Sanjay Rath

> * * *

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> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road

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> http://srath.com <http://srath.com/> , +91-11-25717162

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> bharateiya <bharateiya> wrote:

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> Namaskaar Shree Aruna

>

> Atmakaraka is a propelling graha towards knowledge of oneself. In

> Arudha lagna it disspells the ignorance and the illusion. The result

> is in whenever the associated period starts...the person will have to

> come face with a difficult circumstance and way out will show the

> person a great secret about life.

>

> The person will realize two sides of a coin is actually the same coin.

> Such a person will be a great mediator and a diplomat. The native is

> keen on Self Analysis and can recognize slowly and steadily the effect

> of Maya within.

>

> Such a person can a good teacher and can guide others towards their

> learning and solving life's matters.

>

> I would love to hear other's comments on this very interesting topic.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

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> vedic astrology, "a_srimantula"

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> > Thanking you all

> > Aruna Srimantula

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Namaskaar Again Sri Sanjay

 

Greal souls who have Atmakaraka in Arudha Lagna are:

1. Mahatma Gandhi

2. Sri J. Krishnamurthi

3. Sri Bangalore Venkata Raman

 

There are others whose Atmakaraka aspects the Arudha Lagna:

1. Sri Raman Maharishi - 7th from AL Moon AK

2. Sri Sathya Sai Bada - 5th from AL Guru AK

3. Sri Gautam Buddha - 7th from AL Buddha AK

4. Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu - 7th from AL Saturn AK

 

I have no references from classical text to show how this occurs. My

logic is:

Arudha Lagna signifies the illusion which is born out of the seizing

effect of Grahas. Seizing is to close one'e eyes to the whole picture

(Truth) and thereby cause ignorance. The mind then misinterprets the

whole picture by way of Arudha.

 

Atmakaraka is the force that desires freedom. It propels us towards it.

 

Atmakaraka in AL signify two opposite forces and therefore a conflict.

Atmakaraka if strong and in its period, will cause a rift in the mind.

It will start the questioning process. The questioning process shall

succeed or not is dependent upon many factors. However, the march

towards emotional maturity and understanding the limitedness of

illusionary joys begins.

 

If a harsh situation occurs for the native, then this process can be

faster.

 

This is a topic to be researched and I request others to post their

views and if they have sastras know how, then, to share it.

 

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" <guruji@s...> wrote:

>

>

> Jaya Jagannatha

> Dear Bharat

> Can you cite some examples of great souls who have the atmakaraka in

arudha

> lagna and have shown the path to immortality or moksha or some such

great

> activity? I shall be most grateful.

> With best wishes and warm regards,

> Sanjay Rath

> * * *

> Sri Jagannath CenterR

> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road

> New Delhi 110060, India

> http://srath.com <http://srath.com/> , +91-11-25717162

> * * *

>

>

>

>

> bharateiya <bharateiya> wrote:

>

> Namaskaar Shree Aruna

>

> Atmakaraka is a propelling graha towards knowledge of oneself. In

> Arudha lagna it disspells the ignorance and the illusion. The result

> is in whenever the associated period starts...the person will have to

> come face with a difficult circumstance and way out will show the

> person a great secret about life.

>

> The person will realize two sides of a coin is actually the same coin.

> Such a person will be a great mediator and a diplomat. The native is

> keen on Self Analysis and can recognize slowly and steadily the effect

> of Maya within.

>

> Such a person can a good teacher and can guide others towards their

> learning and solving life's matters.

>

> I would love to hear other's comments on this very interesting topic.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

>

>

> vedic astrology, "a_srimantula"

> <a_srimantula> wrote:

> > Respected Gurus,

> >

> > In general what are the results of atmakaraka in Arudhalagna?

> >

> >

> > Thanking you all

> > Aruna Srimantula

>

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Jaya JagannathaDear Bharat

You have made some very fine points about the nature of the arudha lagna and atmakaraka.

Arudha lagna is the illusionary belief system based on our indoctrination and

what we consider as good and bad, what we consider as right and wrong. It is

always black and white, the good guys and bad guys are based on this

indoctrination by society (Moon) and mental experiences (Moon-manas) which is

based on memory which agai is a function of selective retention (Jupiter) and

selective erosion (Saturn) based on how pleasant they were. This emotion of

pleasant memory and otherwise is subjective to the individual and will vary

based on the rasi where the arudha lagna is. The arudha lagna is this illusion

that is created by the intelligence (lagna and paka lagna).

Now come to the possibility where the arudha lagna and atmakaraka are in the

same sign. To be in the same sign it becomes imperative that the lagnesa and at

atmakaraka are different planets. The indoctrination of the society of influence

is indicated by the arudha lagna. Moon is the significator for this showing the

primary indoctrination coming from the society connected with home - mother,

mother tongue, family, childhood days etc. Jupiter is a great benefic for the

fame and shows the indictrination coming from the learning that the society

offers.

Now Atmakaraka is like a Jyotirlinga. It holds tremendous knowlege - the

knowledge of the paramesthi guru - the knowlegde of Shiva. This knowledge when

coming into contact with any arudha or any graha pada throws up the *untruth*

associated with the indoctrination. After all Shiva is - satyam shivam

sundaram.

That is why when the arudha lagna and the atmakaraka come together, the person

starts to question the indoctrination of society. He challenges the teachings

of the society and may reject many such teachings. Let us examine some of these

cases (since you take the trouble of giving the example, its my pleasure to

continue the thread).

1. Mahatma Gandhi has atmakaraka Jupiter, so his arudha lagna and AL are not the

same. I use the time of 7.30 am LMT for his chart as is reported widely. The

change came for him due to the *atmakaraka replacement* caused by the Moon and

Jupiter being in the same degree. So at about 24 -32 years of age he will

change very drastically. When this change will occur, the arudha lagna and *new

atmakaraka* will become one in Cancer and he questioned the political system of

the day as he has Rahu influencing the atmakaraka Moon. He questioned the

untruth in it and started to show the path to *RAMA RAJYA* through satyagraha.

Remember New AK Moon is with Rahu.

2. Jiddu Krishnamuti has the Sun atmakaraka in arudha lagna in Aries. This is

the most royal sign and the Sun relates to father. There is a dictum which

states that the Sun in the 1st or 7th house in Aries/Libra - native is

abandoned by parents. This is true both for Bhagavan Sri Rama and Jiddu

Krishnamurti who had Sun in AL in Aries and Saturn in 7th house. Krishnamurti

lost his mother in 1905 and was finally adopted by Helena Blavatsky in 1910.

Then there was a legal dispute over parental custody between Blavatsky and

Jiddu Narasimah (Krishnamurti's biological father). It finally ended when

Krishnamurti finall appeared at the Privy council and chose Blavatsky instead

of his father. [at this stage the arudha lagna dominated over the atmakaraka as

Krishnamurti was only 18 years old]. However, the atmakaraka started rising

after his 28 years of age as it is in Aries - this was triggered by two events

(1) death of father [sun] in 1924 and (2) death of brother [Mars] in 1925. Look

at the Sun in Aries as AK. Then in 1929 on the opening day of the annual Star

Camp at Ommen, Holland, Krishnamurti dissolved the Order before 3000 members.

This was the complete and total rejection of the arudha. He questioned the

fundamental basis of the guru-shisya parampara and said that the spiritual path

was a path to freedom while the guru-shisya parampara of spiritual lineages in

India were a kind of bondage. Remember AK Sun in AL is aspected by Saturn.

3. Dr. B.V.Raman has the atmakaraka Moon with Saturn in the arudha lagna and

just like the other two cases, he questioned the basic theory that jyotisa

should not be taught to foreigners as (1) Jyotisa was a vedanga and (2) it

should not be taught in foreign languages. He was the first one to break free

from this in a large scale teaching of jyotisa through the Astrological

Magazine. To do this he needed to have another yoga as mentioned in Deva

Keralam: The association of the lords of the 6th and 8th houses in a yoga with

either the 5th lord or the 5th house. Such a person will teach the vedas and

vedanga to foreigners in a foreign land and in a foreign language. In Dr

Raman's chart we find that the fifth lord Mercury is also the 8th lord and is

in kendra to Moon (sarada yoga) and with the dharma-karmadhipati yoga (highest

yoga necessary to teach veda/vedanga).

The point I am trying to make is that when you say (1) questionig process, there

must be a suitable combination showing the questioning process and unless we

have a saturn or Rahu involved what will trigger the questioning? Saturn

indicates sorrow and suffering that triggers questioning while causes shocks to

start the questioning. (2) Many factors that you state should be defined and in

general is it necessary to achieve by teaching this knowledge to others? There

are millions who have had similar lessons but did not bother to go out and

teach it to others like the three we discussed above did. In each of their

cases there were yogas outside the cmbination of AK and AL to support the

activity that is required after the questioning process. (3) You have correctly

pointed out that a harsh situation accelerates the questioning and change - this

is perfectly right but then it must translate into *jyotisa language* which I

have done by adding the terrible taste of the malefic planets.

Finally Bharat, thanks for this. It made me see my own chart and wonder why I

have done what I did so far and whether I should continue doing it. [Aug 7,

1963; 9.15 Pm Sambalpur, India] How many more harsh lessons will Saturn give.

One more point - the final decision shall also depend on factors outside the AK,

AL story. Lets try these - Why did Krishnamurti reject the Guru-shisya parampara

of ancient India? Did the makara lagna have a say? Why did Gandhi take to

Satyagraha on the one hand and dilly dally with satyagraha in sexual control?

Did the Libra lagna with Mars and Venus have a say?

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[bharateiya (AT) (DOT) co.in]>Tuesday, June 07, 2005 12:20 AM>To:

vedic astrology>[vedic astrology] Re: atmakaraka in

Al>>Namaskaar Again Sri Sanjay>>Greal souls who have Atmakaraka in Arudha Lagna

are:>1. Mahatma Gandhi>2. Sri J. Krishnamurthi>3. Sri Bangalore Venkata

Raman>>There are others whose Atmakaraka aspects the Arudha Lagna:>1. Sri Raman

Maharishi - 7th from AL Moon AK 2. Sri Sathya Sai>Bada - 5th from AL Guru AK 3.

Sri Gautam Buddha - 7th from AL>Buddha AK 4. Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu - 7th

from AL Saturn AK>>I have no references from classical text to show how

this>occurs. My logic is:>Arudha Lagna signifies the illusion which is born out

of the>seizing effect of Grahas. Seizing is to close one'e eyes to>the whole

picture>(Truth) and thereby cause ignorance. The mind then>misinterprets the

whole picture by way of Arudha.>>Atmakaraka is the force that desires freedom.

It propels us>towards it.>>Atmakaraka in AL signify two opposite forces and

therefore a conflict.>Atmakaraka if strong and in its period, will cause a rift

in the mind.>It will start the questioning process. The questioning

process>shall succeed or not is dependent upon many factors. However,>the march

towards emotional maturity and understanding the>limitedness of illusionary joys

begins.>>If a harsh situation occurs for the native, then this process>can be

faster.>>This is a topic to be researched and I request others to post>their

views and if they have sastras know how, then, to share it.>>Thanks and

Regards>Bharat>>>>>vedic astrology, "Sanjay

Rath"><guruji@s...> wrote:>> >> >> Jaya Jagannatha>> Dear Bharat>> Can you cite

some examples of great souls who have the atmakaraka in>arudha>> lagna and have

shown the path to immortality or moksha or some such>great>> activity? I shall

be most grateful.>> With best wishes and warm regards,>> Sanjay Rath>> * * *>>

Sri Jagannath CenterR>> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road>> New Delhi 110060, India>>

http://srath.com <http://srath.com/> , +91-11-25717162>> * * *>> >>>>>>>>

bharateiya <bharateiya> wrote:>>>> Namaskaar Shree Aruna>>>> Atmakaraka is

a propelling graha towards knowledge of oneself. In>> Arudha lagna it disspells

the ignorance and the illusion. The result>> is in whenever the associated

period starts...the person>will have to>> come face with a difficult

circumstance and way out will show the>> person a great secret about life.>>>>

The person will realize two sides of a coin is actually the>same coin.>> Such a

person will be a great mediator and a diplomat. The native is>> keen on Self

Analysis and can recognize slowly and steadily>the effect>> of Maya within.>>>>

Such a person can a good teacher and can guide others towards their>> learning

and solving life's matters.>>>> I would love to hear other's comments on this

very interesting topic.>>>> Thanks and Regards>> Bharat>>>>>>>> --- In

vedic astrology, "a_srimantula">> <a_srimantula> wrote:>>

> Respected Gurus,>> >>> > In general what are the results of atmakaraka in

Arudhalagna?>> > >> >>> > Thanking you all>> > Aruna Srimantula>>>>>>>>>>>>

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Dear Jyothishas,

 

Pranams. i just want to add one more case to what has

already been pointed out. Please refer the chart of

Shri Guru Nanak Dev who had the lagna lord Sun as

Atmakaraka placed together in 4th house in

Vrischika(for chart details refer to Jyotish Digest

Vol 1.No.2 May 2002 edited by Pt.Sanjay Rath).

 

i can also cite the case of Ramakrishna Paramhamsa

where we find Rahu as the Atmakaraka when considered

as lagna lord will be in the 4th house in

Vrishabha(please remember Kumbha and Vrischika are

owned by two grahas and both the signs have two

arudhas(for chart details please refer the 9th house

chapter in the book Crux of Vedic Astrology-Timing of

Events by Pt.Sanjay Rath page No. 397).

 

i just wanted to mention these as important exceptions

(which Sanjay definitely knows)as additions. These

charts belong to visionaries and one definitely needs

great depth of knowledge for braving a voyage into

these sagaras/oceans.

 

Sanjay, thanks for the thought provoking write up.

 

Best wishes.

 

Astrologically & spiritually yours,

p.s.ramanarayanan.

 

 

 

 

--- Sanjay Rath <guruji wrote:

 

>

>

>

> Jaya Jagannatha

> Dear Bharat

>

> You have made some very fine points about the nature

> of the arudha lagna and

> atmakaraka.

>

> Arudha lagna is the illusionary belief system based

> on our indoctrination

> and what we consider as good and bad, what we

> consider as right and wrong.

> It is always black and white, the good guys and bad

> guys are based on this

> indoctrination by society (Moon) and mental

> experiences (Moon-manas) which

> is based on memory which agai is a function of

> selective retention (Jupiter)

> and selective erosion (Saturn) based on how pleasant

> they were. This emotion

> of pleasant memory and otherwise is subjective to

> the individual and will

> vary based on the rasi where the arudha lagna is.

> The arudha lagna is this

> illusion that is created by the intelligence (lagna

> and paka lagna).

>

> Now come to the possibility where the arudha lagna

> and atmakaraka are in the

> same sign. To be in the same sign it becomes

> imperative that the lagnesa and

> at atmakaraka are different planets. The

> indoctrination of the society of

> influence is indicated by the arudha lagna. Moon is

> the significator for

> this showing the primary indoctrination coming from

> the society connected

> with home - mother, mother tongue, family, childhood

> days etc. Jupiter is a

> great benefic for the fame and shows the

> indictrination coming from the

> learning that the society offers.

>

> Now Atmakaraka is like a Jyotirlinga. It holds

> tremendous knowlege - the

> knowledge of the paramesthi guru - the knowlegde of

> Shiva. This knowledge

> when coming into contact with any arudha or any

> graha pada throws up the

> *untruth* associated with the indoctrination. After

> all Shiva is - satyam

> shivam sundaram.

>

> That is why when the arudha lagna and the atmakaraka

> come together, the

> person starts to question the indoctrination of

> society. He challenges the

> teachings of the society and may reject many such

> teachings. Let us examine

> some of these cases (since you take the trouble of

> giving the example, its

> my pleasure to continue the thread).

>

> 1. Mahatma Gandhi has atmakaraka Jupiter, so his

> arudha lagna and AL are not

> the same. I use the time of 7.30 am LMT for his

> chart as is reported widely.

> The change came for him due to the *atmakaraka

> replacement* caused by the

> Moon and Jupiter being in the same degree. So at

> about 24 -32 years of age

> he will change very drastically. When this change

> will occur, the arudha

> lagna and *new atmakaraka* will become one in Cancer

> and he questioned the

> political system of the day as he has Rahu

> influencing the atmakaraka Moon.

> He questioned the untruth in it and started to show

> the path to *RAMA RAJYA*

> through satyagraha. Remember New AK Moon is with

> Rahu.

>

> 2. Jiddu Krishnamuti has the Sun atmakaraka in

> arudha lagna in Aries. This

> is the most royal sign and the Sun relates to

> father. There is a dictum

> which states that the Sun in the 1st or 7th house in

> Aries/Libra - native is

> abandoned by parents. This is true both for Bhagavan

> Sri Rama and Jiddu

> Krishnamurti who had Sun in AL in Aries and Saturn

> in 7th house.

> Krishnamurti lost his mother in 1905 and was finally

> adopted by Helena

> Blavatsky in 1910. Then there was a legal dispute

> over parental custody

> between Blavatsky and Jiddu Narasimah

> (Krishnamurti's biological father). It

> finally ended when Krishnamurti finall appeared at

> the Privy council and

> chose Blavatsky instead of his father. [at this

> stage the arudha lagna

> dominated over the atmakaraka as Krishnamurti was

> only 18 years old].

> However, the atmakaraka started rising after his 28

> years of age as it is in

> Aries - this was triggered by two events (1) death

> of father [sun] in 1924

> and (2) death of brother [Mars] in 1925. Look at the

> Sun in Aries as AK.

> Then in 1929 on the opening day of the annual Star

> Camp at Ommen, Holland,

> Krishnamurti dissolved the Order before 3000

> members. This was the complete

> and total rejection of the arudha. He questioned the

> fundamental basis of

> the guru-shisya parampara and said that the

> spiritual path was a path to

> freedom while the guru-shisya parampara of spiritual

> lineages in India were

> a kind of bondage. Remember AK Sun in AL is aspected

> by Saturn.

>

> 3. Dr. B.V.Raman has the atmakaraka Moon with Saturn

> in the arudha lagna and

> just like the other two cases, he questioned the

> basic theory that jyotisa

> should not be taught to foreigners as (1) Jyotisa

> was a vedanga and (2) it

> should not be taught in foreign languages. He was

> the first one to break

> free from this in a large scale teaching of jyotisa

> through the Astrological

> Magazine. To do this he needed to have another yoga

> as mentioned in Deva

> Keralam: The association of the lords of the 6th and

> 8th houses in a yoga

> with either the 5th lord or the 5th house. Such a

> person will teach the

> vedas and vedanga to foreigners in a foreign land

> and in a foreign language.

> In Dr Raman's chart we find that the fifth lord

> Mercury is also the 8th lord

> and is in kendra to Moon (sarada yoga) and with the

> dharma-karmadhipati yoga

> (highest yoga necessary to teach veda/vedanga).

>

> The point I am trying to make is that when you say

> (1) questionig process,

> there must be a suitable combination showing the

> questioning process and

> unless we have a saturn or Rahu involved what will

> trigger the questioning?

> Saturn indicates sorrow and suffering that triggers

> questioning while causes

> shocks to start the questioning. (2) Many factors

> that you state should be

> defined and in general is it necessary to achieve by

> teaching this knowledge

> to others? There are millions who have had similar

> lessons but did not

> bother to go out and teach it to others like the

> three we discussed above

> did. In each of their cases there were yogas outside

> the cmbination of AK

> and AL to support the activity that is required

> after the questioning

> process. (3) You have correctly pointed out that a

> harsh situation

> accelerates the questioning and change - this is

> perfectly right but then it

> must translate into *jyotisa language* which I have

> done by adding the

> terrible taste of the malefic planets.

>

> Finally Bharat, thanks for this. It made me see my

> own chart and wonder why

> I have done what I did so far and whether I should

> continue doing it. [Aug

> 7, 1963; 9.15 Pm Sambalpur, India] How many more

> harsh lessons will Saturn

> give.

>

> One more point - the final decision shall also

> depend on factors outside the

> AK, AL story. Lets try these - Why did Krishnamurti

> reject the Guru-shisya

> parampara of ancient India? Did the makara lagna

> have a say? Why did Gandhi

> take to Satyagraha on the one hand and dilly dally

> with satyagraha in sexual

> control? Did the Libra lagna with Mars and Venus

> have a say?

>

> With best wishes and warm regards,

> Sanjay Rath

> * * *

> Sri Jagannath CenterR

> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road

>

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Dear Ramnarayan & Bharat

This is a note in addition to the one below after my teletalk with Ramnarayan. I

agree that there is only one exception and that is very difficult for normal

human beings to understand - cases of Ramakrishna Paramhamsa and Guru Nanak Dev

where the lagna lord is in the 4th house and associated with the atmakaraka.

With best wishes and warm regards,

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Sanjay Rath [guruji (AT) srath (DOT) com] Wednesday, June 08, 2005 6:05

PMvedic astrologySubject: RE: [vedic astrology] Re:

atmakaraka in Al

Jaya JagannathaDear Bharat

You have made some very fine points about the nature of the arudha lagna and atmakaraka.

Arudha lagna is the illusionary belief system based on our indoctrination and

what we consider as good and bad, what we consider as right and wrong. It is

always black and white, the good guys and bad guys are based on this

indoctrination by society (Moon) and mental experiences (Moon-manas) which is

based on memory which agai is a function of selective retention (Jupiter) and

selective erosion (Saturn) based on how pleasant they were. This emotion of

pleasant memory and otherwise is subjective to the individual and will vary

based on the rasi where the arudha lagna is. The arudha lagna is this illusion

that is created by the intelligence (lagna and paka lagna).

Now come to the possibility where the arudha lagna and atmakaraka are in the

same sign. To be in the same sign it becomes imperative that the lagnesa and at

atmakaraka are different planets. The indoctrination of the society of influence

is indicated by the arudha lagna. Moon is the significator for this showing the

primary indoctrination coming from the society connected with home - mother,

mother tongue, family, childhood days etc. Jupiter is a great benefic for the

fame and shows the indictrination coming from the learning that the society

offers.

Now Atmakaraka is like a Jyotirlinga. It holds tremendous knowlege - the

knowledge of the paramesthi guru - the knowlegde of Shiva. This knowledge when

coming into contact with any arudha or any graha pada throws up the *untruth*

associated with the indoctrination. After all Shiva is - satyam shivam

sundaram.

That is why when the arudha lagna and the atmakaraka come together, the person

starts to question the indoctrination of society. He challenges the teachings

of the society and may reject many such teachings. Let us examine some of these

cases (since you take the trouble of giving the example, its my pleasure to

continue the thread).

1. Mahatma Gandhi has atmakaraka Jupiter, so his arudha lagna and AL are not the

same. I use the time of 7.30 am LMT for his chart as is reported widely. The

change came for him due to the *atmakaraka replacement* caused by the Moon and

Jupiter being in the same degree. So at about 24 -32 years of age he will

change very drastically. When this change will occur, the arudha lagna and *new

atmakaraka* will become one in Cancer and he questioned the political system of

the day as he has Rahu influencing the atmakaraka Moon. He questioned the

untruth in it and started to show the path to *RAMA RAJYA* through satyagraha.

Remember New AK Moon is with Rahu.

2. Jiddu Krishnamuti has the Sun atmakaraka in arudha lagna in Aries. This is

the most royal sign and the Sun relates to father. There is a dictum which

states that the Sun in the 1st or 7th house in Aries/Libra - native is

abandoned by parents. This is true both for Bhagavan Sri Rama and Jiddu

Krishnamurti who had Sun in AL in Aries and Saturn in 7th house. Krishnamurti

lost his mother in 1905 and was finally adopted by Helena Blavatsky in 1910.

Then there was a legal dispute over parental custody between Blavatsky and

Jiddu Narasimah (Krishnamurti's biological father). It finally ended when

Krishnamurti finall appeared at the Privy council and chose Blavatsky instead

of his father. [at this stage the arudha lagna dominated over the atmakaraka as

Krishnamurti was only 18 years old]. However, the atmakaraka started rising

after his 28 years of age as it is in Aries - this was triggered by two events

(1) death of father [sun] in 1924 and (2) death of brother [Mars] in 1925. Look

at the Sun in Aries as AK. Then in 1929 on the opening day of the annual Star

Camp at Ommen, Holland, Krishnamurti dissolved the Order before 3000 members.

This was the complete and total rejection of the arudha. He questioned the

fundamental basis of the guru-shisya parampara and said that the spiritual path

was a path to freedom while the guru-shisya parampara of spiritual lineages in

India were a kind of bondage. Remember AK Sun in AL is aspected by Saturn.

3. Dr. B.V.Raman has the atmakaraka Moon with Saturn in the arudha lagna and

just like the other two cases, he questioned the basic theory that jyotisa

should not be taught to foreigners as (1) Jyotisa was a vedanga and (2) it

should not be taught in foreign languages. He was the first one to break free

from this in a large scale teaching of jyotisa through the Astrological

Magazine. To do this he needed to have another yoga as mentioned in Deva

Keralam: The association of the lords of the 6th and 8th houses in a yoga with

either the 5th lord or the 5th house. Such a person will teach the vedas and

vedanga to foreigners in a foreign land and in a foreign language. In Dr

Raman's chart we find that the fifth lord Mercury is also the 8th lord and is

in kendra to Moon (sarada yoga) and with the dharma-karmadhipati yoga (highest

yoga necessary to teach veda/vedanga).

The point I am trying to make is that when you say (1) questionig process, there

must be a suitable combination showing the questioning process and unless we

have a saturn or Rahu involved what will trigger the questioning? Saturn

indicates sorrow and suffering that triggers questioning while causes shocks to

start the questioning. (2) Many factors that you state should be defined and in

general is it necessary to achieve by teaching this knowledge to others? There

are millions who have had similar lessons but did not bother to go out and

teach it to others like the three we discussed above did. In each of their

cases there were yogas outside the cmbination of AK and AL to support the

activity that is required after the questioning process. (3) You have correctly

pointed out that a harsh situation accelerates the questioning and change - this

is perfectly right but then it must translate into *jyotisa language* which I

have done by adding the terrible taste of the malefic planets.

Finally Bharat, thanks for this. It made me see my own chart and wonder why I

have done what I did so far and whether I should continue doing it. [Aug 7,

1963; 9.15 Pm Sambalpur, India] How many more harsh lessons will Saturn give.

One more point - the final decision shall also depend on factors outside the AK,

AL story. Lets try these - Why did Krishnamurti reject the Guru-shisya parampara

of ancient India? Did the makara lagna have a say? Why did Gandhi take to

Satyagraha on the one hand and dilly dally with satyagraha in sexual control?

Did the Libra lagna with Mars and Venus have a say?

With best wishes and warm regards,Sanjay Rath* * *Sri Jagannath Center®15B

Gangaram Hospital RoadNew Delhi 110060, Indiahttp://srath.com, +91-11-25717162*

* *>>bharateiya

[bharateiya (AT) (DOT) co.in]>Tuesday, June 07, 2005 12:20 AM>To:

vedic astrology>[vedic astrology] Re: atmakaraka in

Al>>Namaskaar Again Sri Sanjay>>Greal souls who have Atmakaraka in Arudha Lagna

are:>1. Mahatma Gandhi>2. Sri J. Krishnamurthi>3. Sri Bangalore Venkata

Raman>>There are others whose Atmakaraka aspects the Arudha Lagna:>1. Sri Raman

Maharishi - 7th from AL Moon AK 2. Sri Sathya Sai>Bada - 5th from AL Guru AK 3.

Sri Gautam Buddha - 7th from AL>Buddha AK 4. Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu - 7th

from AL Saturn AK>>I have no references from classical text to show how

this>occurs. My logic is:>Arudha Lagna signifies the illusion which is born out

of the>seizing effect of Grahas. Seizing is to close one'e eyes to>the whole

picture>(Truth) and thereby cause ignorance. The mind then>misinterprets the

whole picture by way of Arudha.>>Atmakaraka is the force that desires freedom.

It propels us>towards it.>>Atmakaraka in AL signify two opposite forces and

therefore a conflict.>Atmakaraka if strong and in its period, will cause a rift

in the mind.>It will start the questioning process. The questioning

process>shall succeed or not is dependent upon many factors. However,>the march

towards emotional maturity and understanding the>limitedness of illusionary joys

begins.>>If a harsh situation occurs for the native, then this process>can be

faster.>>This is a topic to be researched and I request others to post>their

views and if they have sastras know how, then, to share it.>>Thanks and

Regards>Bharat>>>>>vedic astrology, "Sanjay

Rath"><guruji@s...> wrote:>> >> >> Jaya Jagannatha>> Dear Bharat>> Can you cite

some examples of great souls who have the atmakaraka in>arudha>> lagna and have

shown the path to immortality or moksha or some such>great>> activity? I shall

be most grateful.>> With best wishes and warm regards,>> Sanjay Rath>> * * *>>

Sri Jagannath CenterR>> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road>> New Delhi 110060, India>>

http://srath.com <http://srath.com/> , +91-11-25717162>> * * *>> >>>>>>>>

bharateiya <bharateiya> wrote:>>>> Namaskaar Shree Aruna>>>> Atmakaraka is

a propelling graha towards knowledge of oneself. In>> Arudha lagna it disspells

the ignorance and the illusion. The result>> is in whenever the associated

period starts...the person>will have to>> come face with a difficult

circumstance and way out will show the>> person a great secret about life.>>>>

The person will realize two sides of a coin is actually the>same coin.>> Such a

person will be a great mediator and a diplomat. The native is>> keen on Self

Analysis and can recognize slowly and steadily>the effect>> of Maya within.>>>>

Such a person can a good teacher and can guide others towards their>> learning

and solving life's matters.>>>> I would love to hear other's comments on this

very interesting topic.>>>> Thanks and Regards>> Bharat>>>>>>>> --- In

vedic astrology, "a_srimantula">> <a_srimantula> wrote:>>

> Respected Gurus,>> >>> > In general what are the results of atmakaraka in

Arudhalagna?>> > >> >>> > Thanking you all>> > Aruna Srimantula>>>>>>>>>>>>

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Dear Sanjay Rath!

I'm working in tropical system.

There are some questions about your horoscope from my side.

What could you say about Sedna being in your 1st house with jupiter

in opposition to Quaoar in 7th house?

What could be the meaning of retro saturn in opposition to sun-venus?

 

With best wishes.

Lyudmila

 

vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" <guruji@s...>

wrote:

>

>

>

> Jaya Jagannatha

> Dear Bharat

>

> You have made some very fine points about the nature of the arudha

lagna and

> atmakaraka.

>

> Arudha lagna is the illusionary belief system based on our

indoctrination

> and what we consider as good and bad, what we consider as right and

wrong.

> It is always black and white, the good guys and bad guys are based

on this

> indoctrination by society (Moon) and mental experiences (Moon-

manas) which

> is based on memory which agai is a function of selective retention

(Jupiter)

> and selective erosion (Saturn) based on how pleasant they were.

This emotion

> of pleasant memory and otherwise is subjective to the individual

and will

> vary based on the rasi where the arudha lagna is. The arudha lagna

is this

> illusion that is created by the intelligence (lagna and paka lagna).

>

> Now come to the possibility where the arudha lagna and atmakaraka

are in the

> same sign. To be in the same sign it becomes imperative that the

lagnesa and

> at atmakaraka are different planets. The indoctrination of the

society of

> influence is indicated by the arudha lagna. Moon is the

significator for

> this showing the primary indoctrination coming from the society

connected

> with home - mother, mother tongue, family, childhood days etc.

Jupiter is a

> great benefic for the fame and shows the indictrination coming from

the

> learning that the society offers.

>

> Now Atmakaraka is like a Jyotirlinga. It holds tremendous knowlege -

the

> knowledge of the paramesthi guru - the knowlegde of Shiva. This

knowledge

> when coming into contact with any arudha or any graha pada throws

up the

> *untruth* associated with the indoctrination. After all Shiva is -

satyam

> shivam sundaram.

>

> That is why when the arudha lagna and the atmakaraka come together,

the

> person starts to question the indoctrination of society. He

challenges the

> teachings of the society and may reject many such teachings. Let us

examine

> some of these cases (since you take the trouble of giving the

example, its

> my pleasure to continue the thread).

>

> 1. Mahatma Gandhi has atmakaraka Jupiter, so his arudha lagna and

AL are not

> the same. I use the time of 7.30 am LMT for his chart as is

reported widely.

> The change came for him due to the *atmakaraka replacement* caused

by the

> Moon and Jupiter being in the same degree. So at about 24 -32 years

of age

> he will change very drastically. When this change will occur, the

arudha

> lagna and *new atmakaraka* will become one in Cancer and he

questioned the

> political system of the day as he has Rahu influencing the

atmakaraka Moon.

> He questioned the untruth in it and started to show the path to

*RAMA RAJYA*

> through satyagraha. Remember New AK Moon is with Rahu.

>

> 2. Jiddu Krishnamuti has the Sun atmakaraka in arudha lagna in

Aries. This

> is the most royal sign and the Sun relates to father. There is a

dictum

> which states that the Sun in the 1st or 7th house in Aries/Libra -

native is

> abandoned by parents. This is true both for Bhagavan Sri Rama and

Jiddu

> Krishnamurti who had Sun in AL in Aries and Saturn in 7th house.

> Krishnamurti lost his mother in 1905 and was finally adopted by

Helena

> Blavatsky in 1910. Then there was a legal dispute over parental

custody

> between Blavatsky and Jiddu Narasimah (Krishnamurti's biological

father). It

> finally ended when Krishnamurti finall appeared at the Privy

council and

> chose Blavatsky instead of his father. [at this stage the arudha

lagna

> dominated over the atmakaraka as Krishnamurti was only 18 years

old].

> However, the atmakaraka started rising after his 28 years of age as

it is in

> Aries - this was triggered by two events (1) death of father [sun]

in 1924

> and (2) death of brother [Mars] in 1925. Look at the Sun in Aries

as AK.

> Then in 1929 on the opening day of the annual Star Camp at Ommen,

Holland,

> Krishnamurti dissolved the Order before 3000 members. This was the

complete

> and total rejection of the arudha. He questioned the fundamental

basis of

> the guru-shisya parampara and said that the spiritual path was a

path to

> freedom while the guru-shisya parampara of spiritual lineages in

India were

> a kind of bondage. Remember AK Sun in AL is aspected by Saturn.

>

> 3. Dr. B.V.Raman has the atmakaraka Moon with Saturn in the arudha

lagna and

> just like the other two cases, he questioned the basic theory that

jyotisa

> should not be taught to foreigners as (1) Jyotisa was a vedanga and

(2) it

> should not be taught in foreign languages. He was the first one to

break

> free from this in a large scale teaching of jyotisa through the

Astrological

> Magazine. To do this he needed to have another yoga as mentioned in

Deva

> Keralam: The association of the lords of the 6th and 8th houses in

a yoga

> with either the 5th lord or the 5th house. Such a person will teach

the

> vedas and vedanga to foreigners in a foreign land and in a foreign

language.

> In Dr Raman's chart we find that the fifth lord Mercury is also the

8th lord

> and is in kendra to Moon (sarada yoga) and with the dharma-

karmadhipati yoga

> (highest yoga necessary to teach veda/vedanga).

>

> The point I am trying to make is that when you say (1) questionig

process,

> there must be a suitable combination showing the questioning

process and

> unless we have a saturn or Rahu involved what will trigger the

questioning?

> Saturn indicates sorrow and suffering that triggers questioning

while causes

> shocks to start the questioning. (2) Many factors that you state

should be

> defined and in general is it necessary to achieve by teaching this

knowledge

> to others? There are millions who have had similar lessons but did

not

> bother to go out and teach it to others like the three we discussed

above

> did. In each of their cases there were yogas outside the cmbination

of AK

> and AL to support the activity that is required after the

questioning

> process. (3) You have correctly pointed out that a harsh situation

> accelerates the questioning and change - this is perfectly right

but then it

> must translate into *jyotisa language* which I have done by adding

the

> terrible taste of the malefic planets.

>

> Finally Bharat, thanks for this. It made me see my own chart and

wonder why

> I have done what I did so far and whether I should continue doing

it. [Aug

> 7, 1963; 9.15 Pm Sambalpur, India] How many more harsh lessons will

Saturn

> give.

>

> One more point - the final decision shall also depend on factors

outside the

> AK, AL story. Lets try these - Why did Krishnamurti reject the Guru-

shisya

> parampara of ancient India? Did the makara lagna have a say? Why

did Gandhi

> take to Satyagraha on the one hand and dilly dally with satyagraha

in sexual

> control? Did the Libra lagna with Mars and Venus have a say?

>

> With best wishes and warm regards,

> Sanjay Rath

> * * *

> Sri Jagannath CenterR

> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road

> New Delhi 110060, India

> <http://srath.com> http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162

> * * *

>

>

> >

> >bharateiya [ <bharateiya>

> bharateiya]

> >Tuesday, June 07, 2005 12:20 AM

> >vedic astrology

> >[vedic astrology] Re: atmakaraka in Al

> >

> >Namaskaar Again Sri Sanjay

> >

> >Greal souls who have Atmakaraka in Arudha Lagna are:

> >1. Mahatma Gandhi

> >2. Sri J. Krishnamurthi

> >3. Sri Bangalore Venkata Raman

> >

> >There are others whose Atmakaraka aspects the Arudha Lagna:

> >1. Sri Raman Maharishi - 7th from AL Moon AK 2. Sri Sathya Sai

> >Bada - 5th from AL Guru AK 3. Sri Gautam Buddha - 7th from AL

> >Buddha AK 4. Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu - 7th from AL Saturn AK

> >

> >I have no references from classical text to show how this

> >occurs. My logic is:

> >Arudha Lagna signifies the illusion which is born out of the

> >seizing effect of Grahas. Seizing is to close one'e eyes to

> >the whole picture

> >(Truth) and thereby cause ignorance. The mind then

> >misinterprets the whole picture by way of Arudha.

> >

> >Atmakaraka is the force that desires freedom. It propels us

> >towards it.

> >

> >Atmakaraka in AL signify two opposite forces and therefore a

conflict.

> >Atmakaraka if strong and in its period, will cause a rift in the

mind.

> >It will start the questioning process. The questioning process

> >shall succeed or not is dependent upon many factors. However,

> >the march towards emotional maturity and understanding the

> >limitedness of illusionary joys begins.

> >

> >If a harsh situation occurs for the native, then this process

> >can be faster.

> >

> >This is a topic to be researched and I request others to post

> >their views and if they have sastras know how, then, to share it.

> >

> >Thanks and Regards

> >Bharat

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath"

> ><guruji@s...> wrote:

> >>

> >>

> >> Jaya Jagannatha

> >> Dear Bharat

> >> Can you cite some examples of great souls who have the

atmakaraka in

> >arudha

> >> lagna and have shown the path to immortality or moksha or some

such

> >great

> >> activity? I shall be most grateful.

> >> With best wishes and warm regards,

> >> Sanjay Rath

> >> * * *

> >> Sri Jagannath CenterR

> >> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road

> >> New Delhi 110060, India

> >> <http://srath.com> http://srath.com < <http://srath.com/>

> http://srath.com/> , +91-11-25717162

> >> * * *

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> bharateiya <bharateiya> wrote:

> >>

> >> Namaskaar Shree Aruna

> >>

> >> Atmakaraka is a propelling graha towards knowledge of oneself. In

> >> Arudha lagna it disspells the ignorance and the illusion. The

result

> >> is in whenever the associated period starts...the person

> >will have to

> >> come face with a difficult circumstance and way out will show the

> >> person a great secret about life.

> >>

> >> The person will realize two sides of a coin is actually the

> >same coin.

> >> Such a person will be a great mediator and a diplomat. The

native is

> >> keen on Self Analysis and can recognize slowly and steadily

> >the effect

> >> of Maya within.

> >>

> >> Such a person can a good teacher and can guide others towards

their

> >> learning and solving life's matters.

> >>

> >> I would love to hear other's comments on this very interesting

topic.

> >>

> >> Thanks and Regards

> >> Bharat

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> vedic astrology, "a_srimantula"

> >> <a_srimantula> wrote:

> >> > Respected Gurus,

> >> >

> >> > In general what are the results of atmakaraka in Arudhalagna?

> >> >

> >> >

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Dear Sanjay,

 

> Finally Bharat, thanks for this. It made me see my own chart and

wonder why I have done what I did so far and whether I should continue

doing it. [Aug 7, 1963; 9.15 Pm Sambalpur, India] How many more harsh

lessons will Saturn give.

>

 

What you are talking about in your case is the lagna lord and AL lord

being the same and aspected by AK and Mars (graha dristi)? From what I

understand of your discussion on AK in AL, I think that Saturn will

force you to develop a detached view of the world (maya) which in turn

is confirmed by presence of Ke in AL.

 

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Hari

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Namaste All learned members and guruji's,

 

My atmakaraka is Budh which is in 4th house(arudha lagna) along with

Lagna lord, Saturn(debilitated). That is, atmakaraka and lagna lord

together in Arudha Lagna. I remember, long time back one of the

famous astrologers (Sri Narasimhan Iyengar)said that my chart is

similar to Sri. Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. I just rembered after

reading your email. So, wanted to present my chart as a case.

 

These days I am showing deep interest in vedic astrology. My

atmakaraka(Budh in 4th house) and Mars (6th house) are in parivartna.

 

I would appreciate your comments.

 

Thanks.

Prema

 

 

vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" <guruji@s...>

wrote:

>

>

> Jaya Jagannatha

> Dear Ramnarayan & Bharat

> This is a note in addition to the one below after my teletalk with

> Ramnarayan. I agree that there is only one exception and that is

very

> difficult for normal human beings to understand - cases of

Ramakrishna

> Paramhamsa and Guru Nanak Dev where the lagna lord is in the 4th

house and

> associated with the atmakaraka.

> With best wishes and warm regards,

> Sanjay Rath

> * * *

> Sri Jagannath CenterR

> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road

> New Delhi 110060, India

> http://srath.com <http://srath.com/> , +91-11-25717162

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>

>

>

> _____

>

> Sanjay Rath [guruji@s...]

> Wednesday, June 08, 2005 6:05 PM

> vedic astrology

> RE: [vedic astrology] Re: atmakaraka in Al

>

>

>

>

>

> Jaya Jagannatha

> Dear Bharat

>

> You have made some very fine points about the nature of the arudha

lagna and

> atmakaraka.

>

> Arudha lagna is the illusionary belief system based on our

indoctrination

> and what we consider as good and bad, what we consider as right and

wrong.

> It is always black and white, the good guys and bad guys are based

on this

> indoctrination by society (Moon) and mental experiences (Moon-

manas) which

> is based on memory which agai is a function of selective retention

(Jupiter)

> and selective erosion (Saturn) based on how pleasant they were.

This emotion

> of pleasant memory and otherwise is subjective to the individual

and will

> vary based on the rasi where the arudha lagna is. The arudha lagna

is this

> illusion that is created by the intelligence (lagna and paka lagna).

>

> Now come to the possibility where the arudha lagna and atmakaraka

are in the

> same sign. To be in the same sign it becomes imperative that the

lagnesa and

> at atmakaraka are different planets. The indoctrination of the

society of

> influence is indicated by the arudha lagna. Moon is the

significator for

> this showing the primary indoctrination coming from the society

connected

> with home - mother, mother tongue, family, childhood days etc.

Jupiter is a

> great benefic for the fame and shows the indictrination coming from

the

> learning that the society offers.

>

> Now Atmakaraka is like a Jyotirlinga. It holds tremendous knowlege -

the

> knowledge of the paramesthi guru - the knowlegde of Shiva. This

knowledge

> when coming into contact with any arudha or any graha pada throws

up the

> *untruth* associated with the indoctrination. After all Shiva is -

satyam

> shivam sundaram.

>

> That is why when the arudha lagna and the atmakaraka come together,

the

> person starts to question the indoctrination of society. He

challenges the

> teachings of the society and may reject many such teachings. Let us

examine

> some of these cases (since you take the trouble of giving the

example, its

> my pleasure to continue the thread).

>

> 1. Mahatma Gandhi has atmakaraka Jupiter, so his arudha lagna and

AL are not

> the same. I use the time of 7.30 am LMT for his chart as is

reported widely.

> The change came for him due to the *atmakaraka replacement* caused

by the

> Moon and Jupiter being in the same degree. So at about 24 -32 years

of age

> he will change very drastically. When this change will occur, the

arudha

> lagna and *new atmakaraka* will become one in Cancer and he

questioned the

> political system of the day as he has Rahu influencing the

atmakaraka Moon.

> He questioned the untruth in it and started to show the path to

*RAMA RAJYA*

> through satyagraha. Remember New AK Moon is with Rahu.

>

> 2. Jiddu Krishnamuti has the Sun atmakaraka in arudha lagna in

Aries. This

> is the most royal sign and the Sun relates to father. There is a

dictum

> which states that the Sun in the 1st or 7th house in Aries/Libra -

native is

> abandoned by parents. This is true both for Bhagavan Sri Rama and

Jiddu

> Krishnamurti who had Sun in AL in Aries and Saturn in 7th house.

> Krishnamurti lost his mother in 1905 and was finally adopted by

Helena

> Blavatsky in 1910. Then there was a legal dispute over parental

custody

> between Blavatsky and Jiddu Narasimah (Krishnamurti's biological

father). It

> finally ended when Krishnamurti finall appeared at the Privy

council and

> chose Blavatsky instead of his father. [at this stage the arudha

lagna

> dominated over the atmakaraka as Krishnamurti was only 18 years

old].

> However, the atmakaraka started rising after his 28 years of age as

it is in

> Aries - this was triggered by two events (1) death of father [sun]

in 1924

> and (2) death of brother [Mars] in 1925. Look at the Sun in Aries

as AK.

> Then in 1929 on the opening day of the annual Star Camp at Ommen,

Holland,

> Krishnamurti dissolved the Order before 3000 members. This was the

complete

> and total rejection of the arudha. He questioned the fundamental

basis of

> the guru-shisya parampara and said that the spiritual path was a

path to

> freedom while the guru-shisya parampara of spiritual lineages in

India were

> a kind of bondage. Remember AK Sun in AL is aspected by Saturn.

>

> 3. Dr. B.V.Raman has the atmakaraka Moon with Saturn in the arudha

lagna and

> just like the other two cases, he questioned the basic theory that

jyotisa

> should not be taught to foreigners as (1) Jyotisa was a vedanga and

(2) it

> should not be taught in foreign languages. He was the first one to

break

> free from this in a large scale teaching of jyotisa through the

Astrological

> Magazine. To do this he needed to have another yoga as mentioned in

Deva

> Keralam: The association of the lords of the 6th and 8th houses in

a yoga

> with either the 5th lord or the 5th house. Such a person will teach

the

> vedas and vedanga to foreigners in a foreign land and in a foreign

language.

> In Dr Raman's chart we find that the fifth lord Mercury is also the

8th lord

> and is in kendra to Moon (sarada yoga) and with the dharma-

karmadhipati yoga

> (highest yoga necessary to teach veda/vedanga).

>

> The point I am trying to make is that when you say (1) questionig

process,

> there must be a suitable combination showing the questioning

process and

> unless we have a saturn or Rahu involved what will trigger the

questioning?

> Saturn indicates sorrow and suffering that triggers questioning

while causes

> shocks to start the questioning. (2) Many factors that you state

should be

> defined and in general is it necessary to achieve by teaching this

knowledge

> to others? There are millions who have had similar lessons but did

not

> bother to go out and teach it to others like the three we discussed

above

> did. In each of their cases there were yogas outside the cmbination

of AK

> and AL to support the activity that is required after the

questioning

> process. (3) You have correctly pointed out that a harsh situation

> accelerates the questioning and change - this is perfectly right

but then it

> must translate into *jyotisa language* which I have done by adding

the

> terrible taste of the malefic planets.

>

> Finally Bharat, thanks for this. It made me see my own chart and

wonder why

> I have done what I did so far and whether I should continue doing

it. [Aug

> 7, 1963; 9.15 Pm Sambalpur, India] How many more harsh lessons will

Saturn

> give.

>

> One more point - the final decision shall also depend on factors

outside the

> AK, AL story. Lets try these - Why did Krishnamurti reject the Guru-

shisya

> parampara of ancient India? Did the makara lagna have a say? Why

did Gandhi

> take to Satyagraha on the one hand and dilly dally with satyagraha

in sexual

> control? Did the Libra lagna with Mars and Venus have a say?

>

> With best wishes and warm regards,

> Sanjay Rath

> * * *

> Sri Jagannath CenterR

> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road

> New Delhi 110060, India

> <http://srath.com> http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162

> * * *

>

>

> >

> >bharateiya [ <bharateiya>

> bharateiya]

> >Tuesday, June 07, 2005 12:20 AM

> >vedic astrology

> >[vedic astrology] Re: atmakaraka in Al

> >

> >Namaskaar Again Sri Sanjay

> >

> >Greal souls who have Atmakaraka in Arudha Lagna are:

> >1. Mahatma Gandhi

> >2. Sri J. Krishnamurthi

> >3. Sri Bangalore Venkata Raman

> >

> >There are others whose Atmakaraka aspects the Arudha Lagna:

> >1. Sri Raman Maharishi - 7th from AL Moon AK 2. Sri Sathya Sai

> >Bada - 5th from AL Guru AK 3. Sri Gautam Buddha - 7th from AL

> >Buddha AK 4. Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu - 7th from AL Saturn AK

> >

> >I have no references from classical text to show how this

> >occurs. My logic is:

> >Arudha Lagna signifies the illusion which is born out of the

> >seizing effect of Grahas. Seizing is to close one'e eyes to

> >the whole picture

> >(Truth) and thereby cause ignorance. The mind then

> >misinterprets the whole picture by way of Arudha.

> >

> >Atmakaraka is the force that desires freedom. It propels us

> >towards it.

> >

> >Atmakaraka in AL signify two opposite forces and therefore a

conflict.

> >Atmakaraka if strong and in its period, will cause a rift in the

mind.

> >It will start the questioning process. The questioning process

> >shall succeed or not is dependent upon many factors. However,

> >the march towards emotional maturity and understanding the

> >limitedness of illusionary joys begins.

> >

> >If a harsh situation occurs for the native, then this process

> >can be faster.

> >

> >This is a topic to be researched and I request others to post

> >their views and if they have sastras know how, then, to share it.

> >

> >Thanks and Regards

> >Bharat

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath"

> ><guruji@s...> wrote:

> >>

> >>

> >> Jaya Jagannatha

> >> Dear Bharat

> >> Can you cite some examples of great souls who have the

atmakaraka in

> >arudha

> >> lagna and have shown the path to immortality or moksha or some

such

> >great

> >> activity? I shall be most grateful.

> >> With best wishes and warm regards,

> >> Sanjay Rath

> >> * * *

> >> Sri Jagannath CenterR

> >> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road

> >> New Delhi 110060, India

> >> <http://srath.com> http://srath.com < <http://srath.com/>

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> >>

> >> bharateiya <bharateiya> wrote:

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> >> Namaskaar Shree Aruna

> >>

> >> Atmakaraka is a propelling graha towards knowledge of oneself. In

> >> Arudha lagna it disspells the ignorance and the illusion. The

result

> >> is in whenever the associated period starts...the person

> >will have to

> >> come face with a difficult circumstance and way out will show the

> >> person a great secret about life.

> >>

> >> The person will realize two sides of a coin is actually the

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> >> Such a person will be a great mediator and a diplomat. The

native is

> >> keen on Self Analysis and can recognize slowly and steadily

> >the effect

> >> of Maya within.

> >>

> >> Such a person can a good teacher and can guide others towards

their

> >> learning and solving life's matters.

> >>

> >> I would love to hear other's comments on this very interesting

topic.

> >>

> >> Thanks and Regards

> >> Bharat

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> vedic astrology, "a_srimantula"

> >> <a_srimantula> wrote:

> >> > Respected Gurus,

> >> >

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Sorry, I did not mention my lagna and raasi. My lagna is Makara ,

Raasi is Vrishabh and Arudha Lagna is Aries in 4th house.

 

Thanks.

Prema

vedic astrology, "onlyhari" <achyutagaddi@g...>

wrote:

> Jaya Jagannatha

>

> Dear Sanjay,

>

> > Finally Bharat, thanks for this. It made me see my own chart and

> wonder why I have done what I did so far and whether I should continue

> doing it. [Aug 7, 1963; 9.15 Pm Sambalpur, India] How many more harsh

> lessons will Saturn give.

> >

>

> What you are talking about in your case is the lagna lord and AL lord

> being the same and aspected by AK and Mars (graha dristi)? From what I

> understand of your discussion on AK in AL, I think that Saturn will

> force you to develop a detached view of the world (maya) which in turn

> is confirmed by presence of Ke in AL.

>

> regards

> Hari

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Namaste Hari,

Sanjayji was telling about his chara kaaraka replacement of Saturn

his Ak By his Jupiter, Jupiter takes some role of Atmakaaraka. Jupiter

is Lord of AL in Sg.

This happens around the time when he got fully involved in Jyotish

after quiting his highly placed Govt. Job (Indian Administrative Service).

 

Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

Jupiter - AmK 26 Pi 07' 55.44" Reva 3 Pi Aq

Saturn ® - AK 26 Cp 49' 40.71" Dhan 2 Cp Vi

 

Warm Regards

Sanjay P.

 

Om Tat Sat

 

 

vedic astrology, "onlyhari" <achyutagaddi@g...>

wrote:

> Jaya Jagannatha

>

> Dear Sanjay,

>

> > Finally Bharat, thanks for this. It made me see my own chart and

> wonder why I have done what I did so far and whether I should continue

> doing it. [Aug 7, 1963; 9.15 Pm Sambalpur, India] How many more harsh

> lessons will Saturn give.

> >

>

> What you are talking about in your case is the lagna lord and AL lord

> being the same and aspected by AK and Mars (graha dristi)? From what I

> understand of your discussion on AK in AL, I think that Saturn will

> force you to develop a detached view of the world (maya) which in turn

> is confirmed by presence of Ke in AL.

>

> regards

> Hari

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Dear Gurus

 

How can I calculate the chara karaka replacement? I understand that

it is related to the natural age of atmakaraka planet but I do not

know how do we find this natural age. Please clarify.

 

Pratap

>

> Namaste Hari,

> Sanjayji was telling about his chara kaaraka replacement of Saturn

> his Ak By his Jupiter, Jupiter takes some role of Atmakaaraka.

Jupiter

> is Lord of AL in Sg.

> This happens around the time when he got fully involved in Jyotish

> after quiting his highly placed Govt. Job (Indian Administrative

Service).

>

> Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

> Jupiter - AmK 26 Pi 07' 55.44" Reva 3 Pi Aq

> Saturn ® - AK 26 Cp 49' 40.71" Dhan 2 Cp Vi

>

> Warm Regards

> Sanjay P.

>

> Om Tat Sat

>

>

> vedic astrology, "onlyhari"

<achyutagaddi@g...>

> wrote:

> > Jaya Jagannatha

> >

> > Dear Sanjay,

> >

> > > Finally Bharat, thanks for this. It made me see my own chart and

> > wonder why I have done what I did so far and whether I should

continue

> > doing it. [Aug 7, 1963; 9.15 Pm Sambalpur, India] How many more

harsh

> > lessons will Saturn give.

> > >

> >

> > What you are talking about in your case is the lagna lord and AL

lord

> > being the same and aspected by AK and Mars (graha dristi)? From

what I

> > understand of your discussion on AK in AL, I think that Saturn

will

> > force you to develop a detached view of the world (maya) which in

turn

> > is confirmed by presence of Ke in AL.

> >

> > regards

> > Hari

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Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Lyudmila

This is a forum for Vedic Astrology, very serious Jyotish.

 

Forgive my impudence, but who are Sedna and Quaoar and how did they get into

those positions in the chart? If you are talking about the newly discovered

planet then what were Western astrologers doing before they found Sedna?

Were they all wrong? Which signs will sedna rule and for how long - till

another large body is found and qualifies for being a planet and then you

will have to allocate another sign in the system...

 

We, in Jyotish need only the Decimal system and ten variables - navagraha

from Sun to Saturn + two nodes + ascendant. Others are not wanted as they

are not needed to define the pancha tatva (five states of matter = 5 planets

from Mercury to Saturn = 5 variables) and the play of lights (Sun+ Moon +

Nodes + ascendant for angle of light = 5 variables).

 

With best wishes and warm regards,

Sanjay Rath

* * *

Sri Jagannath CenterR

15B Gangaram Hospital Road

New Delhi 110060, India

http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162

* * *

 

 

>

>lyudmila_31 [lyudmila_31]

>Wednesday, June 08, 2005 8:49 PM

>vedic astrology

>[vedic astrology] Re: atmakaraka in Al

>

>Dear Sanjay Rath!

>I'm working in tropical system.

>There are some questions about your horoscope from my side.

>What could you say about Sedna being in your 1st house with

>jupiter in opposition to Quaoar in 7th house?

>What could be the meaning of retro saturn in opposition to sun-venus?

>

>With best wishes.

>Lyudmila

>

>vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" <guruji@s...>

>wrote:

>>

>>

>>

>> Jaya Jagannatha

>> Dear Bharat

>>

>> You have made some very fine points about the nature of the arudha

>lagna and

>> atmakaraka.

>>

>> Arudha lagna is the illusionary belief system based on our

>indoctrination

>> and what we consider as good and bad, what we consider as right and

>wrong.

>> It is always black and white, the good guys and bad guys are based

>on this

>> indoctrination by society (Moon) and mental experiences (Moon-

>manas) which

>> is based on memory which agai is a function of selective retention

>(Jupiter)

>> and selective erosion (Saturn) based on how pleasant they were.

>This emotion

>> of pleasant memory and otherwise is subjective to the individual

>and will

>> vary based on the rasi where the arudha lagna is. The arudha lagna

>is this

>> illusion that is created by the intelligence (lagna and paka lagna).

>>

>> Now come to the possibility where the arudha lagna and atmakaraka

>are in the

>> same sign. To be in the same sign it becomes imperative that the

>lagnesa and

>> at atmakaraka are different planets. The indoctrination of the

>society of

>> influence is indicated by the arudha lagna. Moon is the

>significator for

>> this showing the primary indoctrination coming from the society

>connected

>> with home - mother, mother tongue, family, childhood days etc.

>Jupiter is a

>> great benefic for the fame and shows the indictrination coming from

>the

>> learning that the society offers.

>>

>> Now Atmakaraka is like a Jyotirlinga. It holds tremendous knowlege -

> the

>> knowledge of the paramesthi guru - the knowlegde of Shiva. This

>knowledge

>> when coming into contact with any arudha or any graha pada throws

>up the

>> *untruth* associated with the indoctrination. After all Shiva is -

>satyam

>> shivam sundaram.

>>

>> That is why when the arudha lagna and the atmakaraka come together,

>the

>> person starts to question the indoctrination of society. He

>challenges the

>> teachings of the society and may reject many such teachings. Let us

>examine

>> some of these cases (since you take the trouble of giving the

>example, its

>> my pleasure to continue the thread).

>>

>> 1. Mahatma Gandhi has atmakaraka Jupiter, so his arudha lagna and

>AL are not

>> the same. I use the time of 7.30 am LMT for his chart as is

>reported widely.

>> The change came for him due to the *atmakaraka replacement* caused

>by the

>> Moon and Jupiter being in the same degree. So at about 24 -32 years

>of age

>> he will change very drastically. When this change will occur, the

>arudha

>> lagna and *new atmakaraka* will become one in Cancer and he

>questioned the

>> political system of the day as he has Rahu influencing the

>atmakaraka Moon.

>> He questioned the untruth in it and started to show the path to

>*RAMA RAJYA*

>> through satyagraha. Remember New AK Moon is with Rahu.

>>

>> 2. Jiddu Krishnamuti has the Sun atmakaraka in arudha lagna in

>Aries. This

>> is the most royal sign and the Sun relates to father. There is a

>dictum

>> which states that the Sun in the 1st or 7th house in Aries/Libra -

>native is

>> abandoned by parents. This is true both for Bhagavan Sri Rama and

>Jiddu

>> Krishnamurti who had Sun in AL in Aries and Saturn in 7th house.

>> Krishnamurti lost his mother in 1905 and was finally adopted by

>Helena

>> Blavatsky in 1910. Then there was a legal dispute over parental

>custody

>> between Blavatsky and Jiddu Narasimah (Krishnamurti's biological

>father). It

>> finally ended when Krishnamurti finall appeared at the Privy

>council and

>> chose Blavatsky instead of his father. [at this stage the arudha

>lagna

>> dominated over the atmakaraka as Krishnamurti was only 18 years

>old].

>> However, the atmakaraka started rising after his 28 years of age as

>it is in

>> Aries - this was triggered by two events (1) death of father [sun]

>in 1924

>> and (2) death of brother [Mars] in 1925. Look at the Sun in Aries

>as AK.

>> Then in 1929 on the opening day of the annual Star Camp at Ommen,

>Holland,

>> Krishnamurti dissolved the Order before 3000 members. This was the

>complete

>> and total rejection of the arudha. He questioned the fundamental

>basis of

>> the guru-shisya parampara and said that the spiritual path was a

>path to

>> freedom while the guru-shisya parampara of spiritual lineages in

>India were

>> a kind of bondage. Remember AK Sun in AL is aspected by Saturn.

>>

>> 3. Dr. B.V.Raman has the atmakaraka Moon with Saturn in the arudha

>lagna and

>> just like the other two cases, he questioned the basic theory that

>jyotisa

>> should not be taught to foreigners as (1) Jyotisa was a vedanga and

>(2) it

>> should not be taught in foreign languages. He was the first one to

>break

>> free from this in a large scale teaching of jyotisa through the

>Astrological

>> Magazine. To do this he needed to have another yoga as mentioned in

>Deva

>> Keralam: The association of the lords of the 6th and 8th houses in

>a yoga

>> with either the 5th lord or the 5th house. Such a person will teach

>the

>> vedas and vedanga to foreigners in a foreign land and in a foreign

>language.

>> In Dr Raman's chart we find that the fifth lord Mercury is also the

>8th lord

>> and is in kendra to Moon (sarada yoga) and with the dharma-

>karmadhipati yoga

>> (highest yoga necessary to teach veda/vedanga).

>>

>> The point I am trying to make is that when you say (1) questionig

>process,

>> there must be a suitable combination showing the questioning

>process and

>> unless we have a saturn or Rahu involved what will trigger the

>questioning?

>> Saturn indicates sorrow and suffering that triggers questioning

>while causes

>> shocks to start the questioning. (2) Many factors that you state

>should be

>> defined and in general is it necessary to achieve by teaching this

>knowledge

>> to others? There are millions who have had similar lessons but did

>not

>> bother to go out and teach it to others like the three we discussed

>above

>> did. In each of their cases there were yogas outside the cmbination

>of AK

>> and AL to support the activity that is required after the

>questioning

>> process. (3) You have correctly pointed out that a harsh situation

>> accelerates the questioning and change - this is perfectly right

>but then it

>> must translate into *jyotisa language* which I have done by adding

>the

>> terrible taste of the malefic planets.

>>

>> Finally Bharat, thanks for this. It made me see my own chart and

>wonder why

>> I have done what I did so far and whether I should continue doing

>it. [Aug

>> 7, 1963; 9.15 Pm Sambalpur, India] How many more harsh lessons will

>Saturn

>> give.

>>

>> One more point - the final decision shall also depend on factors

>outside the

>> AK, AL story. Lets try these - Why did Krishnamurti reject the Guru-

>shisya

>> parampara of ancient India? Did the makara lagna have a say? Why

>did Gandhi

>> take to Satyagraha on the one hand and dilly dally with satyagraha

>in sexual

>> control? Did the Libra lagna with Mars and Venus have a say?

>>

>> With best wishes and warm regards,

>> Sanjay Rath

>> * * *

>> Sri Jagannath CenterR

>> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road

>> New Delhi 110060, India

>> <http://srath.com> http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162

>> * * *

>>

>>

>> >

>> >bharateiya [ <bharateiya>

>> bharateiya]

>> >Tuesday, June 07, 2005 12:20 AM

>> >vedic astrology

>> >[vedic astrology] Re: atmakaraka in Al

>> >

>> >Namaskaar Again Sri Sanjay

>> >

>> >Greal souls who have Atmakaraka in Arudha Lagna are:

>> >1. Mahatma Gandhi

>> >2. Sri J. Krishnamurthi

>> >3. Sri Bangalore Venkata Raman

>> >

>> >There are others whose Atmakaraka aspects the Arudha Lagna:

>> >1. Sri Raman Maharishi - 7th from AL Moon AK 2. Sri Sathya

>Sai Bada -

>> >5th from AL Guru AK 3. Sri Gautam Buddha - 7th from AL Buddha AK 4.

>> >Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu - 7th from AL Saturn AK

>> >

>> >I have no references from classical text to show how this

>occurs. My

>> >logic is:

>> >Arudha Lagna signifies the illusion which is born out of

>the seizing

>> >effect of Grahas. Seizing is to close one'e eyes to the

>whole picture

>> >(Truth) and thereby cause ignorance. The mind then

>misinterprets the

>> >whole picture by way of Arudha.

>> >

>> >Atmakaraka is the force that desires freedom. It propels us towards

>> >it.

>> >

>> >Atmakaraka in AL signify two opposite forces and therefore a

>conflict.

>> >Atmakaraka if strong and in its period, will cause a rift in the

>mind.

>> >It will start the questioning process. The questioning

>process shall

>> >succeed or not is dependent upon many factors. However, the march

>> >towards emotional maturity and understanding the limitedness of

>> >illusionary joys begins.

>> >

>> >If a harsh situation occurs for the native, then this

>process can be

>> >faster.

>> >

>> >This is a topic to be researched and I request others to post their

>> >views and if they have sastras know how, then, to share it.

>> >

>> >Thanks and Regards

>> >Bharat

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath"

>> ><guruji@s...> wrote:

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> Jaya Jagannatha

>> >> Dear Bharat

>> >> Can you cite some examples of great souls who have the

>atmakaraka in

>> >arudha

>> >> lagna and have shown the path to immortality or moksha or some

>such

>> >great

>> >> activity? I shall be most grateful.

>> >> With best wishes and warm regards,

>> >> Sanjay Rath

>> >> * * *

>> >> Sri Jagannath CenterR

>> >> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road

>> >> New Delhi 110060, India

>> >> <http://srath.com> http://srath.com < <http://srath.com/>

>> http://srath.com/> , +91-11-25717162

>> >> * * *

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> bharateiya <bharateiya> wrote:

>> >>

>> >> Namaskaar Shree Aruna

>> >>

>> >> Atmakaraka is a propelling graha towards knowledge of oneself. In

>> >> Arudha lagna it disspells the ignorance and the illusion. The

>result

>> >> is in whenever the associated period starts...the person

>> >will have to

>> >> come face with a difficult circumstance and way out will show the

>> >> person a great secret about life.

>> >>

>> >> The person will realize two sides of a coin is actually the

>> >same coin.

>> >> Such a person will be a great mediator and a diplomat. The

>native is

>> >> keen on Self Analysis and can recognize slowly and steadily

>> >the effect

>> >> of Maya within.

>> >>

>> >> Such a person can a good teacher and can guide others towards

>their

>> >> learning and solving life's matters.

>> >>

>> >> I would love to hear other's comments on this very interesting

>topic.

>> >>

>> >> Thanks and Regards

>> >> Bharat

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> vedic astrology, "a_srimantula"

>> >> <a_srimantula> wrote:

>> >> > Respected Gurus,

>> >> >

>> >> > In general what are the results of atmakaraka in Arudhalagna?

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> > Thanking you all

>> >> > Aruna Srimantula

>

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Respected Sanjay Ji,

 

Pranaam.

 

Firstly, thank you for the illuminating post about the linkages

between the Arudha Lagna and the Atmakaraka.

 

I have some questions. It is stated that the Arudha Lagna is our

illusory belief system. It has been consistently seen in the

writings here that all Arudha Padas shows the illusions of

the 'world' about the various facets of the native's life as seen

from the various Bhavas and then manifested as visible indications

by the Bhava Padas themselves. It has been taught basically that the

metaphysical truth about the Jatak is seen from the Lagna, and what

the world perceives of the native is seen from the Arudha Lagna.

 

Is the illusion of Maya that subsists in the Arudha Lagna native-

centric? Does it arise of the beliefs of the native himself, whether

through retention or rejection of memory or is it that these factors

apply to the world at large when they contemplate the native in

their own minds?

 

It has also been stated in the past that the illusions of the native

are seen from the Graha Arudhas.

 

I suspect there is probably some serious flaw in my understanding or

something is amiss. I tend to think that there may not be water-

tight distinctions between the various reference points but it would

be illuminating if you could shed some more light on this.

 

Could it also be that when AK and AL are conjoined, what happens is

that the influences that were coming from the society in the form of

opinions and ideas of that society pertaining to the native (AL?),

are seen for what they actually are (AK influnece) and the hold of

Maya is weakened as the Satya (AK) exposes the empty shell of the

Arudha? The timing could be done from the Vimshottari of the AK and

the replacement studied as you have instructed in your post.

 

It is clear from the post as to the effects of the AK and linkages

with Shani and the effects that could accrue. You have taught that

the 7th from AL is the opposition to the image just as the Grahas in

the 7th from UL tend to show opposing forces from the family of the

spouse. In one's own chart (11th June,1972;10:17 AM; Cuttack,

Orissa) the Lagnesh is also the AK placed with Shani and an Amavasya

Tithi

Chandra in the 10th House, 7th from the AL, and the Surya-Chandra-

Shani Yuti is also aspected by the Nodes! The interactions of the

image have been such that the tremendous rush and fall of the AL

caused by Rashi Drishti of the nodes has been deciphered for being

what it is: a big show of transience that changes in such a fickle

manner.

 

Since the AK is with Shani in A7, just as you have instructed in the

post, the realities relating to interaction have also been

suspected, piercing the veil of the Darapada. I am hopeful that to

this extent I have understood what has been taught.

 

It would be kind of you to clear the doubts as to indoctrination and

the AL.

 

I am aware that this message may have many errors and only seeks to

lay down some of my thoughts on the matter.

 

Regards.

 

Anurag Sharma.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" <guruji@s...>

wrote:

>

>

>

> Jaya Jagannatha

> Dear Bharat

>

> You have made some very fine points about the nature of the arudha

lagna and

> atmakaraka.

>

> Arudha lagna is the illusionary belief system based on our

indoctrination

> and what we consider as good and bad, what we consider as right

and wrong.

> It is always black and white, the good guys and bad guys are based

on this

> indoctrination by society (Moon) and mental experiences (Moon-

manas) which

> is based on memory which agai is a function of selective retention

(Jupiter)

> and selective erosion (Saturn) based on how pleasant they were.

This emotion

> of pleasant memory and otherwise is subjective to the individual

and will

> vary based on the rasi where the arudha lagna is. The arudha lagna

is this

> illusion that is created by the intelligence (lagna and paka

lagna).

>

> Now come to the possibility where the arudha lagna and atmakaraka

are in the

> same sign. To be in the same sign it becomes imperative that the

lagnesa and

> at atmakaraka are different planets. The indoctrination of the

society of

> influence is indicated by the arudha lagna. Moon is the

significator for

> this showing the primary indoctrination coming from the society

connected

> with home - mother, mother tongue, family, childhood days etc.

Jupiter is a

> great benefic for the fame and shows the indictrination coming

from the

> learning that the society offers.

>

> Now Atmakaraka is like a Jyotirlinga. It holds tremendous

knowlege - the

> knowledge of the paramesthi guru - the knowlegde of Shiva. This

knowledge

> when coming into contact with any arudha or any graha pada throws

up the

> *untruth* associated with the indoctrination. After all Shiva is -

satyam

> shivam sundaram.

>

> That is why when the arudha lagna and the atmakaraka come

together, the

> person starts to question the indoctrination of society. He

challenges the

> teachings of the society and may reject many such teachings. Let

us examine

> some of these cases (since you take the trouble of giving the

example, its

> my pleasure to continue the thread).

>

> 1. Mahatma Gandhi has atmakaraka Jupiter, so his arudha lagna and

AL are not

> the same. I use the time of 7.30 am LMT for his chart as is

reported widely.

> The change came for him due to the *atmakaraka replacement* caused

by the

> Moon and Jupiter being in the same degree. So at about 24 -32

years of age

> he will change very drastically. When this change will occur, the

arudha

> lagna and *new atmakaraka* will become one in Cancer and he

questioned the

> political system of the day as he has Rahu influencing the

atmakaraka Moon.

> He questioned the untruth in it and started to show the path to

*RAMA RAJYA*

> through satyagraha. Remember New AK Moon is with Rahu.

>

> 2. Jiddu Krishnamuti has the Sun atmakaraka in arudha lagna in

Aries. This

> is the most royal sign and the Sun relates to father. There is a

dictum

> which states that the Sun in the 1st or 7th house in Aries/Libra -

native is

> abandoned by parents. This is true both for Bhagavan Sri Rama and

Jiddu

> Krishnamurti who had Sun in AL in Aries and Saturn in 7th house.

> Krishnamurti lost his mother in 1905 and was finally adopted by

Helena

> Blavatsky in 1910. Then there was a legal dispute over parental

custody

> between Blavatsky and Jiddu Narasimah (Krishnamurti's biological

father). It

> finally ended when Krishnamurti finall appeared at the Privy

council and

> chose Blavatsky instead of his father. [at this stage the arudha

lagna

> dominated over the atmakaraka as Krishnamurti was only 18 years

old].

> However, the atmakaraka started rising after his 28 years of age

as it is in

> Aries - this was triggered by two events (1) death of father [sun]

in 1924

> and (2) death of brother [Mars] in 1925. Look at the Sun in Aries

as AK.

> Then in 1929 on the opening day of the annual Star Camp at Ommen,

Holland,

> Krishnamurti dissolved the Order before 3000 members. This was the

complete

> and total rejection of the arudha. He questioned the fundamental

basis of

> the guru-shisya parampara and said that the spiritual path was a

path to

> freedom while the guru-shisya parampara of spiritual lineages in

India were

> a kind of bondage. Remember AK Sun in AL is aspected by Saturn.

>

> 3. Dr. B.V.Raman has the atmakaraka Moon with Saturn in the arudha

lagna and

> just like the other two cases, he questioned the basic theory that

jyotisa

> should not be taught to foreigners as (1) Jyotisa was a vedanga

and (2) it

> should not be taught in foreign languages. He was the first one to

break

> free from this in a large scale teaching of jyotisa through the

Astrological

> Magazine. To do this he needed to have another yoga as mentioned

in Deva

> Keralam: The association of the lords of the 6th and 8th houses in

a yoga

> with either the 5th lord or the 5th house. Such a person will

teach the

> vedas and vedanga to foreigners in a foreign land and in a foreign

language.

> In Dr Raman's chart we find that the fifth lord Mercury is also

the 8th lord

> and is in kendra to Moon (sarada yoga) and with the dharma-

karmadhipati yoga

> (highest yoga necessary to teach veda/vedanga).

>

> The point I am trying to make is that when you say (1) questionig

process,

> there must be a suitable combination showing the questioning

process and

> unless we have a saturn or Rahu involved what will trigger the

questioning?

> Saturn indicates sorrow and suffering that triggers questioning

while causes

> shocks to start the questioning. (2) Many factors that you state

should be

> defined and in general is it necessary to achieve by teaching this

knowledge

> to others? There are millions who have had similar lessons but did

not

> bother to go out and teach it to others like the three we

discussed above

> did. In each of their cases there were yogas outside the

cmbination of AK

> and AL to support the activity that is required after the

questioning

> process. (3) You have correctly pointed out that a harsh situation

> accelerates the questioning and change - this is perfectly right

but then it

> must translate into *jyotisa language* which I have done by adding

the

> terrible taste of the malefic planets.

>

> Finally Bharat, thanks for this. It made me see my own chart and

wonder why

> I have done what I did so far and whether I should continue doing

it. [Aug

> 7, 1963; 9.15 Pm Sambalpur, India] How many more harsh lessons

will Saturn

> give.

>

> One more point - the final decision shall also depend on factors

outside the

> AK, AL story. Lets try these - Why did Krishnamurti reject the

Guru-shisya

> parampara of ancient India? Did the makara lagna have a say? Why

did Gandhi

> take to Satyagraha on the one hand and dilly dally with satyagraha

in sexual

> control? Did the Libra lagna with Mars and Venus have a say?

>

> With best wishes and warm regards,

> Sanjay Rath

> * * *

> Sri Jagannath CenterR

> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road

> New Delhi 110060, India

> <http://srath.com> http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162

> * * *

>

>

> >

> >bharateiya [ <bharateiya>

> bharateiya]

> >Tuesday, June 07, 2005 12:20 AM

> >vedic astrology

> >[vedic astrology] Re: atmakaraka in Al

> >

> >Namaskaar Again Sri Sanjay

> >

> >Greal souls who have Atmakaraka in Arudha Lagna are:

> >1. Mahatma Gandhi

> >2. Sri J. Krishnamurthi

> >3. Sri Bangalore Venkata Raman

> >

> >There are others whose Atmakaraka aspects the Arudha Lagna:

> >1. Sri Raman Maharishi - 7th from AL Moon AK 2. Sri Sathya Sai

> >Bada - 5th from AL Guru AK 3. Sri Gautam Buddha - 7th from AL

> >Buddha AK 4. Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu - 7th from AL Saturn AK

> >

> >I have no references from classical text to show how this

> >occurs. My logic is:

> >Arudha Lagna signifies the illusion which is born out of the

> >seizing effect of Grahas. Seizing is to close one'e eyes to

> >the whole picture

> >(Truth) and thereby cause ignorance. The mind then

> >misinterprets the whole picture by way of Arudha.

> >

> >Atmakaraka is the force that desires freedom. It propels us

> >towards it.

> >

> >Atmakaraka in AL signify two opposite forces and therefore a

conflict.

> >Atmakaraka if strong and in its period, will cause a rift in the

mind.

> >It will start the questioning process. The questioning process

> >shall succeed or not is dependent upon many factors. However,

> >the march towards emotional maturity and understanding the

> >limitedness of illusionary joys begins.

> >

> >If a harsh situation occurs for the native, then this process

> >can be faster.

> >

> >This is a topic to be researched and I request others to post

> >their views and if they have sastras know how, then, to share it.

> >

> >Thanks and Regards

> >Bharat

> >

> >

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> ><guruji@s...> wrote:

> >>

> >>

> >> Jaya Jagannatha

> >> Dear Bharat

> >> Can you cite some examples of great souls who have the

atmakaraka in

> >arudha

> >> lagna and have shown the path to immortality or moksha or some

such

> >great

> >> activity? I shall be most grateful.

> >> With best wishes and warm regards,

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> >>

> >> bharateiya <bharateiya> wrote:

> >>

> >> Namaskaar Shree Aruna

> >>

> >> Atmakaraka is a propelling graha towards knowledge of oneself.

In

> >> Arudha lagna it disspells the ignorance and the illusion. The

result

> >> is in whenever the associated period starts...the person

> >will have to

> >> come face with a difficult circumstance and way out will show

the

> >> person a great secret about life.

> >>

> >> The person will realize two sides of a coin is actually the

> >same coin.

> >> Such a person will be a great mediator and a diplomat. The

native is

> >> keen on Self Analysis and can recognize slowly and steadily

> >the effect

> >> of Maya within.

> >>

> >> Such a person can a good teacher and can guide others towards

their

> >> learning and solving life's matters.

> >>

> >> I would love to hear other's comments on this very interesting

topic.

> >>

> >> Thanks and Regards

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> Respected Sanjayji,Bharatji& Ramnarayanji,

First of all I want to thank you all for sharing your valuable

thoughts on the placement of atmakaraka in AL.My atmakaraka is

mercury and it is placed in scorpio with moon.Scorpio is the 11th

house from lagna and is also my AL.During the vimsottari dasa of

mercury,I was doing my high school and college education I just

wanted to be invisible in class, As Al shows the image, I always

felt that all my near and dear had lot of expectations on me(eg : I

used to get 70% marks in my subjects , while my teachers and parents

used to think Iam an 80%candidate) .Personally I know my

candidature,I am very realistic but somehow society perceives me

much more than what Iam.Somehow I feel this is due to the placement

of atmakaraka in Al.Respected gurus you can always correct my

conclusions.

Thanking you all

Aruna Srimantula

 

> Jaya Jagannatha

> Dear Prema

> please attach your jhd chart

> With best wishes and warm regards,

> Sanjay Rath

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> >

> >ksprema [ksprema]

> >Wednesday, June 08, 2005 10:03 PM

> >vedic astrology

> >[vedic astrology] Re: atmakaraka in Al

> >

> >Namaste All learned members and guruji's,

> >

> >My atmakaraka is Budh which is in 4th house(arudha lagna)

> >along with Lagna lord, Saturn(debilitated). That is,

> >atmakaraka and lagna lord together in Arudha Lagna. I

> >remember, long time back one of the famous astrologers (Sri

> >Narasimhan Iyengar)said that my chart is similar to Sri.

> >Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. I just rembered after reading your

> >email. So, wanted to present my chart as a case.

> >

> >These days I am showing deep interest in vedic astrology. My

> >atmakaraka(Budh in 4th house) and Mars (6th house) are in

parivartna.

> >

> >I would appreciate your comments.

> >

> >Thanks.

> >Prema

> >

> >

> >vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath"

<guruji@s...>

> >wrote:

> >>

> >>

> >> Jaya Jagannatha

> >> Dear Ramnarayan & Bharat

> >> This is a note in addition to the one below after my teletalk

with

> >> Ramnarayan. I agree that there is only one exception and that is

> >very

> >> difficult for normal human beings to understand - cases of

> >Ramakrishna

> >> Paramhamsa and Guru Nanak Dev where the lagna lord is in the 4th

> >house and

> >> associated with the atmakaraka.

> >> With best wishes and warm regards,

> >> Sanjay Rath

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> >> Sanjay Rath [guruji@s...]

> >> Wednesday, June 08, 2005 6:05 PM

> >> vedic astrology

> >> RE: [vedic astrology] Re: atmakaraka in Al

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Jaya Jagannatha

> >> Dear Bharat

> >>

> >> You have made some very fine points about the nature of the

arudha

> >lagna and

> >> atmakaraka.

> >>

> >> Arudha lagna is the illusionary belief system based on our

> >indoctrination

> >> and what we consider as good and bad, what we consider as right

and

> >wrong.

> >> It is always black and white, the good guys and bad guys are

based

> >on this

> >> indoctrination by society (Moon) and mental experiences (Moon-

> >manas) which

> >> is based on memory which agai is a function of selective

retention

> >(Jupiter)

> >> and selective erosion (Saturn) based on how pleasant they were.

> >This emotion

> >> of pleasant memory and otherwise is subjective to the individual

> >and will

> >> vary based on the rasi where the arudha lagna is. The arudha

lagna

> >is this

> >> illusion that is created by the intelligence (lagna and paka

lagna).

> >>

> >> Now come to the possibility where the arudha lagna and

atmakaraka

> >are in the

> >> same sign. To be in the same sign it becomes imperative that the

> >lagnesa and

> >> at atmakaraka are different planets. The indoctrination of the

> >society of

> >> influence is indicated by the arudha lagna. Moon is the

> >significator for

> >> this showing the primary indoctrination coming from the society

> >connected

> >> with home - mother, mother tongue, family, childhood days etc.

> >Jupiter is a

> >> great benefic for the fame and shows the indictrination coming

from

> >the

> >> learning that the society offers.

> >>

> >> Now Atmakaraka is like a Jyotirlinga. It holds tremendous

knowlege -

> > the

> >> knowledge of the paramesthi guru - the knowlegde of Shiva. This

> >knowledge

> >> when coming into contact with any arudha or any graha pada

throws

> >up the

> >> *untruth* associated with the indoctrination. After all Shiva

is -

> >satyam

> >> shivam sundaram.

> >>

> >> That is why when the arudha lagna and the atmakaraka come

together,

> >the

> >> person starts to question the indoctrination of society. He

> >challenges the

> >> teachings of the society and may reject many such teachings.

Let us

> >examine

> >> some of these cases (since you take the trouble of giving the

> >example, its

> >> my pleasure to continue the thread).

> >>

> >> 1. Mahatma Gandhi has atmakaraka Jupiter, so his arudha lagna

and

> >AL are not

> >> the same. I use the time of 7.30 am LMT for his chart as is

> >reported widely.

> >> The change came for him due to the *atmakaraka replacement*

caused

> >by the

> >> Moon and Jupiter being in the same degree. So at about 24 -32

years

> >of age

> >> he will change very drastically. When this change will occur,

the

> >arudha

> >> lagna and *new atmakaraka* will become one in Cancer and he

> >questioned the

> >> political system of the day as he has Rahu influencing the

> >atmakaraka Moon.

> >> He questioned the untruth in it and started to show the path to

> >*RAMA RAJYA*

> >> through satyagraha. Remember New AK Moon is with Rahu.

> >>

> >> 2. Jiddu Krishnamuti has the Sun atmakaraka in arudha lagna in

> >Aries. This

> >> is the most royal sign and the Sun relates to father. There is a

> >dictum

> >> which states that the Sun in the 1st or 7th house in

Aries/Libra -

> >native is

> >> abandoned by parents. This is true both for Bhagavan Sri Rama

and

> >Jiddu

> >> Krishnamurti who had Sun in AL in Aries and Saturn in 7th house.

> >> Krishnamurti lost his mother in 1905 and was finally adopted by

> >Helena

> >> Blavatsky in 1910. Then there was a legal dispute over parental

> >custody

> >> between Blavatsky and Jiddu Narasimah (Krishnamurti's biological

> >father). It

> >> finally ended when Krishnamurti finall appeared at the Privy

> >council and

> >> chose Blavatsky instead of his father. [at this stage the arudha

> >lagna

> >> dominated over the atmakaraka as Krishnamurti was only 18 years

> >old].

> >> However, the atmakaraka started rising after his 28 years of

age as

> >it is in

> >> Aries - this was triggered by two events (1) death of father

[sun]

> >in 1924

> >> and (2) death of brother [Mars] in 1925. Look at the Sun in

Aries

> >as AK.

> >> Then in 1929 on the opening day of the annual Star Camp at

Ommen,

> >Holland,

> >> Krishnamurti dissolved the Order before 3000 members. This was

the

> >complete

> >> and total rejection of the arudha. He questioned the fundamental

> >basis of

> >> the guru-shisya parampara and said that the spiritual path was a

> >path to

> >> freedom while the guru-shisya parampara of spiritual lineages in

> >India were

> >> a kind of bondage. Remember AK Sun in AL is aspected by Saturn.

> >>

> >> 3. Dr. B.V.Raman has the atmakaraka Moon with Saturn in the

arudha

> >lagna and

> >> just like the other two cases, he questioned the basic theory

that

> >jyotisa

> >> should not be taught to foreigners as (1) Jyotisa was a vedanga

and

> >(2) it

> >> should not be taught in foreign languages. He was the first one

to

> >break

> >> free from this in a large scale teaching of jyotisa through the

> >Astrological

> >> Magazine. To do this he needed to have another yoga as

mentioned in

> >Deva

> >> Keralam: The association of the lords of the 6th and 8th houses

in

> >a yoga

> >> with either the 5th lord or the 5th house. Such a person will

teach

> >the

> >> vedas and vedanga to foreigners in a foreign land and in a

foreign

> >language.

> >> In Dr Raman's chart we find that the fifth lord Mercury is also

the

> >8th lord

> >> and is in kendra to Moon (sarada yoga) and with the dharma-

> >karmadhipati yoga

> >> (highest yoga necessary to teach veda/vedanga).

> >>

> >> The point I am trying to make is that when you say (1)

questionig

> >process,

> >> there must be a suitable combination showing the questioning

> >process and

> >> unless we have a saturn or Rahu involved what will trigger the

> >questioning?

> >> Saturn indicates sorrow and suffering that triggers questioning

> >while causes

> >> shocks to start the questioning. (2) Many factors that you state

> >should be

> >> defined and in general is it necessary to achieve by teaching

this

> >knowledge

> >> to others? There are millions who have had similar lessons but

did

> >not

> >> bother to go out and teach it to others like the three we

discussed

> >above

> >> did. In each of their cases there were yogas outside the

cmbination

> >of AK

> >> and AL to support the activity that is required after the

> >questioning

> >> process. (3) You have correctly pointed out that a harsh

situation

> >> accelerates the questioning and change - this is perfectly right

> >but then it

> >> must translate into *jyotisa language* which I have done by

adding

> >the

> >> terrible taste of the malefic planets.

> >>

> >> Finally Bharat, thanks for this. It made me see my own chart and

> >wonder why

> >> I have done what I did so far and whether I should continue

doing

> >it. [Aug

> >> 7, 1963; 9.15 Pm Sambalpur, India] How many more harsh lessons

will

> >Saturn

> >> give.

> >>

> >> One more point - the final decision shall also depend on factors

> >outside the

> >> AK, AL story. Lets try these - Why did Krishnamurti reject the

Guru-

> >shisya

> >> parampara of ancient India? Did the makara lagna have a say? Why

> >did Gandhi

> >> take to Satyagraha on the one hand and dilly dally with

satyagraha

> >in sexual

> >> control? Did the Libra lagna with Mars and Venus have a say?

> >>

> >> With best wishes and warm regards,

> >> Sanjay Rath

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> >>

> >> >

> >> >bharateiya [ <bharateiya>

> >> bharateiya]

> >> >Tuesday, June 07, 2005 12:20 AM

> >> >vedic astrology

> >> >[vedic astrology] Re: atmakaraka in Al

> >> >

> >> >Namaskaar Again Sri Sanjay

> >> >

> >> >Greal souls who have Atmakaraka in Arudha Lagna are:

> >> >1. Mahatma Gandhi

> >> >2. Sri J. Krishnamurthi

> >> >3. Sri Bangalore Venkata Raman

> >> >

> >> >There are others whose Atmakaraka aspects the Arudha Lagna:

> >> >1. Sri Raman Maharishi - 7th from AL Moon AK 2. Sri Sathya

> >Sai Bada -

> >> >5th from AL Guru AK 3. Sri Gautam Buddha - 7th from AL Buddha

AK 4.

> >> >Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu - 7th from AL Saturn AK

> >> >

> >> >I have no references from classical text to show how this

> >occurs. My

> >> >logic is:

> >> >Arudha Lagna signifies the illusion which is born out of

> >the seizing

> >> >effect of Grahas. Seizing is to close one'e eyes to the

> >whole picture

> >> >(Truth) and thereby cause ignorance. The mind then

> >misinterprets the

> >> >whole picture by way of Arudha.

> >> >

> >> >Atmakaraka is the force that desires freedom. It propels us

towards

> >> >it.

> >> >

> >> >Atmakaraka in AL signify two opposite forces and therefore a

> >conflict.

> >> >Atmakaraka if strong and in its period, will cause a rift in

the

> >mind.

> >> >It will start the questioning process. The questioning

> >process shall

> >> >succeed or not is dependent upon many factors. However, the

march

> >> >towards emotional maturity and understanding the limitedness

of

> >> >illusionary joys begins.

> >> >

> >> >If a harsh situation occurs for the native, then this

> >process can be

> >> >faster.

> >> >

> >> >This is a topic to be researched and I request others to post

their

> >> >views and if they have sastras know how, then, to share it.

> >> >

> >> >Thanks and Regards

> >> >Bharat

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath"

> >> ><guruji@s...> wrote:

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >> Jaya Jagannatha

> >> >> Dear Bharat

> >> >> Can you cite some examples of great souls who have the

> >atmakaraka in

> >> >arudha

> >> >> lagna and have shown the path to immortality or moksha or

some

> >such

> >> >great

> >> >> activity? I shall be most grateful.

> >> >> With best wishes and warm regards,

> >> >> Sanjay Rath

> >> >> * * *

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> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >> bharateiya <bharateiya> wrote:

> >> >>

> >> >> Namaskaar Shree Aruna

> >> >>

> >> >> Atmakaraka is a propelling graha towards knowledge of

oneself. In

> >> >> Arudha lagna it disspells the ignorance and the illusion. The

> >result

> >> >> is in whenever the associated period starts...the person

> >> >will have to

> >> >> come face with a difficult circumstance and way out will

show the

> >> >> person a great secret about life.

> >> >>

> >> >> The person will realize two sides of a coin is actually the

> >> >same coin.

> >> >> Such a person will be a great mediator and a diplomat. The

> >native is

> >> >> keen on Self Analysis and can recognize slowly and steadily

> >> >the effect

> >> >> of Maya within.

> >> >>

> >> >> Such a person can a good teacher and can guide others towards

> >their

> >> >> learning and solving life's matters.

> >> >>

> >> >> I would love to hear other's comments on this very

interesting

> >topic.

> >> >>

> >> >> Thanks and Regards

> >> >> Bharat

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >> vedic astrology, "a_srimantula"

> >> >> <a_srimantula> wrote:

> >> >> > Respected Gurus,

> >> >> >

> >> >> > In general what are the results of atmakaraka in

Arudhalagna?

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> > Thanking you all

> >> >> > Aruna Srimantula

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Dear Sanjay!

Of course the former planets (Sedna and Quaoar) in the belt of

asteroids could have not such strong meaning than the visible and

well-known planets. They are so small. But have their own orbit over

sun.

You are right, sometimes it is useful to throw out some subtle

factors when you try to generate some strict theory (7 planets).

But aren't they (planets) the new "flowers" in the our attempts to

concieve the Maya-illusion?

In my chart (as I was born in jan 1964) there is similar position of

sedna with jupiter, but the house is 10th. And I'm of course in

searches of riddles of my life mainly.

You may take this only as a note from my side.

 

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>

> Jaya Jagannatha

> Dear Lyudmila

> This is a forum for Vedic Astrology, very serious Jyotish.

>

> Forgive my impudence, but who are Sedna and Quaoar and how did they

get into

> those positions in the chart? If you are talking about the newly

discovered

> planet then what were Western astrologers doing before they found

Sedna?

> Were they all wrong? Which signs will sedna rule and for how long -

till

> another large body is found and qualifies for being a planet and

then you

> will have to allocate another sign in the system...

>

> We, in Jyotish need only the Decimal system and ten variables -

navagraha

> from Sun to Saturn + two nodes + ascendant. Others are not wanted

as they

> are not needed to define the pancha tatva (five states of matter =

5 planets

> from Mercury to Saturn = 5 variables) and the play of lights (Sun+

Moon +

> Nodes + ascendant for angle of light = 5 variables).

>

> With best wishes and warm regards,

> Sanjay Rath

> * * *

> Sri Jagannath CenterR

> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road

> New Delhi 110060, India

> http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162

> * * *

>

>

> >

> >lyudmila_31 [lyudmila_31]

> >Wednesday, June 08, 2005 8:49 PM

> >vedic astrology

> >[vedic astrology] Re: atmakaraka in Al

> >

> >Dear Sanjay Rath!

> >I'm working in tropical system.

> >There are some questions about your horoscope from my side.

> >What could you say about Sedna being in your 1st house with

> >jupiter in opposition to Quaoar in 7th house?

> >What could be the meaning of retro saturn in opposition to sun-

venus?

> >

> >With best wishes.

> >Lyudmila

> >

> >vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" <guruji@s...>

> >wrote:

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Jaya Jagannatha

> >> Dear Bharat

> >>

> >> You have made some very fine points about the nature of the

arudha

> >lagna and

> >> atmakaraka.

> >>

> >> Arudha lagna is the illusionary belief system based on our

> >indoctrination

> >> and what we consider as good and bad, what we consider as right

and

> >wrong.

> >> It is always black and white, the good guys and bad guys are

based

> >on this

> >> indoctrination by society (Moon) and mental experiences (Moon-

> >manas) which

> >> is based on memory which agai is a function of selective

retention

> >(Jupiter)

> >> and selective erosion (Saturn) based on how pleasant they were.

> >This emotion

> >> of pleasant memory and otherwise is subjective to the individual

> >and will

> >> vary based on the rasi where the arudha lagna is. The arudha

lagna

> >is this

> >> illusion that is created by the intelligence (lagna and paka

lagna).

> >>

> >> Now come to the possibility where the arudha lagna and atmakaraka

> >are in the

> >> same sign. To be in the same sign it becomes imperative that the

> >lagnesa and

> >> at atmakaraka are different planets. The indoctrination of the

> >society of

> >> influence is indicated by the arudha lagna. Moon is the

> >significator for

> >> this showing the primary indoctrination coming from the society

> >connected

> >> with home - mother, mother tongue, family, childhood days etc.

> >Jupiter is a

> >> great benefic for the fame and shows the indictrination coming

from

> >the

> >> learning that the society offers.

> >>

> >> Now Atmakaraka is like a Jyotirlinga. It holds tremendous

knowlege -

> > the

> >> knowledge of the paramesthi guru - the knowlegde of Shiva. This

> >knowledge

> >> when coming into contact with any arudha or any graha pada throws

> >up the

> >> *untruth* associated with the indoctrination. After all Shiva

is -

> >satyam

> >> shivam sundaram.

> >>

> >> That is why when the arudha lagna and the atmakaraka come

together,

> >the

> >> person starts to question the indoctrination of society. He

> >challenges the

> >> teachings of the society and may reject many such teachings. Let

us

> >examine

> >> some of these cases (since you take the trouble of giving the

> >example, its

> >> my pleasure to continue the thread).

> >>

> >> 1. Mahatma Gandhi has atmakaraka Jupiter, so his arudha lagna and

> >AL are not

> >> the same. I use the time of 7.30 am LMT for his chart as is

> >reported widely.

> >> The change came for him due to the *atmakaraka replacement*

caused

> >by the

> >> Moon and Jupiter being in the same degree. So at about 24 -32

years

> >of age

> >> he will change very drastically. When this change will occur, the

> >arudha

> >> lagna and *new atmakaraka* will become one in Cancer and he

> >questioned the

> >> political system of the day as he has Rahu influencing the

> >atmakaraka Moon.

> >> He questioned the untruth in it and started to show the path to

> >*RAMA RAJYA*

> >> through satyagraha. Remember New AK Moon is with Rahu.

> >>

> >> 2. Jiddu Krishnamuti has the Sun atmakaraka in arudha lagna in

> >Aries. This

> >> is the most royal sign and the Sun relates to father. There is a

> >dictum

> >> which states that the Sun in the 1st or 7th house in

Aries/Libra -

> >native is

> >> abandoned by parents. This is true both for Bhagavan Sri Rama and

> >Jiddu

> >> Krishnamurti who had Sun in AL in Aries and Saturn in 7th house.

> >> Krishnamurti lost his mother in 1905 and was finally adopted by

> >Helena

> >> Blavatsky in 1910. Then there was a legal dispute over parental

> >custody

> >> between Blavatsky and Jiddu Narasimah (Krishnamurti's biological

> >father). It

> >> finally ended when Krishnamurti finall appeared at the Privy

> >council and

> >> chose Blavatsky instead of his father. [at this stage the arudha

> >lagna

> >> dominated over the atmakaraka as Krishnamurti was only 18 years

> >old].

> >> However, the atmakaraka started rising after his 28 years of age

as

> >it is in

> >> Aries - this was triggered by two events (1) death of father

[sun]

> >in 1924

> >> and (2) death of brother [Mars] in 1925. Look at the Sun in Aries

> >as AK.

> >> Then in 1929 on the opening day of the annual Star Camp at Ommen,

> >Holland,

> >> Krishnamurti dissolved the Order before 3000 members. This was

the

> >complete

> >> and total rejection of the arudha. He questioned the fundamental

> >basis of

> >> the guru-shisya parampara and said that the spiritual path was a

> >path to

> >> freedom while the guru-shisya parampara of spiritual lineages in

> >India were

> >> a kind of bondage. Remember AK Sun in AL is aspected by Saturn.

> >>

> >> 3. Dr. B.V.Raman has the atmakaraka Moon with Saturn in the

arudha

> >lagna and

> >> just like the other two cases, he questioned the basic theory

that

> >jyotisa

> >> should not be taught to foreigners as (1) Jyotisa was a vedanga

and

> >(2) it

> >> should not be taught in foreign languages. He was the first one

to

> >break

> >> free from this in a large scale teaching of jyotisa through the

> >Astrological

> >> Magazine. To do this he needed to have another yoga as mentioned

in

> >Deva

> >> Keralam: The association of the lords of the 6th and 8th houses

in

> >a yoga

> >> with either the 5th lord or the 5th house. Such a person will

teach

> >the

> >> vedas and vedanga to foreigners in a foreign land and in a

foreign

> >language.

> >> In Dr Raman's chart we find that the fifth lord Mercury is also

the

> >8th lord

> >> and is in kendra to Moon (sarada yoga) and with the dharma-

> >karmadhipati yoga

> >> (highest yoga necessary to teach veda/vedanga).

> >>

> >> The point I am trying to make is that when you say (1) questionig

> >process,

> >> there must be a suitable combination showing the questioning

> >process and

> >> unless we have a saturn or Rahu involved what will trigger the

> >questioning?

> >> Saturn indicates sorrow and suffering that triggers questioning

> >while causes

> >> shocks to start the questioning. (2) Many factors that you state

> >should be

> >> defined and in general is it necessary to achieve by teaching

this

> >knowledge

> >> to others? There are millions who have had similar lessons but

did

> >not

> >> bother to go out and teach it to others like the three we

discussed

> >above

> >> did. In each of their cases there were yogas outside the

cmbination

> >of AK

> >> and AL to support the activity that is required after the

> >questioning

> >> process. (3) You have correctly pointed out that a harsh

situation

> >> accelerates the questioning and change - this is perfectly right

> >but then it

> >> must translate into *jyotisa language* which I have done by

adding

> >the

> >> terrible taste of the malefic planets.

> >>

> >> Finally Bharat, thanks for this. It made me see my own chart and

> >wonder why

> >> I have done what I did so far and whether I should continue doing

> >it. [Aug

> >> 7, 1963; 9.15 Pm Sambalpur, India] How many more harsh lessons

will

> >Saturn

> >> give.

> >>

> >> One more point - the final decision shall also depend on factors

> >outside the

> >> AK, AL story. Lets try these - Why did Krishnamurti reject the

Guru-

> >shisya

> >> parampara of ancient India? Did the makara lagna have a say? Why

> >did Gandhi

> >> take to Satyagraha on the one hand and dilly dally with

satyagraha

> >in sexual

> >> control? Did the Libra lagna with Mars and Venus have a say?

> >>

> >> With best wishes and warm regards,

> >> Sanjay Rath

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Dear Anurag

Illusion is not something that is just centric to the individual. It is an

image and will be seen differently b different people based on their own

perception of the image. The way you look at Bill Clinton shall be different

than the way I see him or the way Hillary Clinton sees him, so it is centric

from various view points. Yet it is an image and this image is a more than

life figure as the President of the USA. This image is the arudha and he

rode this image for some time and then the nature of the arudha changed, yet

the hangover of the arudha continues. It is more like a flavor that is based

on retained memory. Now we all know (retained memory) that he was the

president. He also knows this. What happens to one like President Reagan who

loses the memory that he was President. What effect does this have on the

arudha? Does it cause the arudha to change from (1) his perspective and (2)

from the worlds perspective. So you see the arudha is important and the paka

lagna is also very important. If the lagnesa does not like the arudha for

some reason in the change in dasa due to anifestation of disease or an

accident etc, then the memory of the arudha maybe wiped out. Here the AK

comes into the picture and you will find the AK laying a role to do this

job...or sometimes the GURU the Bhratrkaraka as the Guru has the power to

memory. See Reagans chart.

 

In Reagans chart the AK Mercury is in lagna (intelligence) with Mars and

aspected by Rahu...is this not a curse coming on the Mercury? Note that

there are two charakaraka replacements involving (1) PiK and PK and (2) BK

and MK. It was in the dasa of the AK which is also badhakesh and in the

curse that the disease got really bad, especially after 1994 onwards. I

think he finally died in Merc dasa Mars antardasa...planets in lagna.

 

Point again is did the arudha change? From his viewpoint [lagna/lagnesh] it

did as he forget he was President, and even forgot the name of his wife

etc...it must be very painful for the near and dear ones. But for the world

[Moon] the arudha never changed.

 

Now try to do the chart of someone like Saint Joan who was burnt as a witch

and then canonised as a saint. The arudha changed after death! How do we see

this??? Interesting.

 

With best wishes and warm regards,

Sanjay Rath

* * *

Sri Jagannath CenterR

15B Gangaram Hospital Road

New Delhi 110060, India

http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162

* * *

 

 

>

>anuraagsharma27 [anuraagsharma27]

>Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:14 AM

>vedic astrology

>[vedic astrology] Re: atmakaraka in Al

>

>Respected Sanjay Ji,

>

>Pranaam.

>

>Firstly, thank you for the illuminating post about the

>linkages between the Arudha Lagna and the Atmakaraka.

>

>I have some questions. It is stated that the Arudha Lagna is

>our illusory belief system. It has been consistently seen in

>the writings here that all Arudha Padas shows the illusions of

>the 'world' about the various facets of the native's life as

>seen from the various Bhavas and then manifested as visible

>indications by the Bhava Padas themselves. It has been taught

>basically that the metaphysical truth about the Jatak is seen

>from the Lagna, and what the world perceives of the native is

>seen from the Arudha Lagna.

>

>Is the illusion of Maya that subsists in the Arudha Lagna

>native- centric? Does it arise of the beliefs of the native

>himself, whether through retention or rejection of memory or

>is it that these factors apply to the world at large when they

>contemplate the native in their own minds?

>

>It has also been stated in the past that the illusions of the

>native are seen from the Graha Arudhas.

>

>I suspect there is probably some serious flaw in my

>understanding or something is amiss. I tend to think that

>there may not be water- tight distinctions between the various

>reference points but it would be illuminating if you could

>shed some more light on this.

>

>Could it also be that when AK and AL are conjoined, what

>happens is that the influences that were coming from the

>society in the form of opinions and ideas of that society

>pertaining to the native (AL?), are seen for what they

>actually are (AK influnece) and the hold of Maya is weakened

>as the Satya (AK) exposes the empty shell of the Arudha? The

>timing could be done from the Vimshottari of the AK and the

>replacement studied as you have instructed in your post.

>

>It is clear from the post as to the effects of the AK and

>linkages with Shani and the effects that could accrue. You

>have taught that the 7th from AL is the opposition to the

>image just as the Grahas in the 7th from UL tend to show

>opposing forces from the family of the spouse. In one's own

>chart (11th June,1972;10:17 AM; Cuttack,

>Orissa) the Lagnesh is also the AK placed with Shani and an

>Amavasya Tithi Chandra in the 10th House, 7th from the AL, and

>the Surya-Chandra- Shani Yuti is also aspected by the Nodes!

>The interactions of the image have been such that the

>tremendous rush and fall of the AL caused by Rashi Drishti of

>the nodes has been deciphered for being what it is: a big show

>of transience that changes in such a fickle manner.

>

>Since the AK is with Shani in A7, just as you have instructed

>in the post, the realities relating to interaction have also

>been suspected, piercing the veil of the Darapada. I am

>hopeful that to this extent I have understood what has been taught.

>

>It would be kind of you to clear the doubts as to

>indoctrination and the AL.

>

>I am aware that this message may have many errors and only

>seeks to lay down some of my thoughts on the matter.

>

>Regards.

>

>Anurag Sharma.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" <guruji@s...>

>wrote:

>>

>>

>>

>> Jaya Jagannatha

>> Dear Bharat

>>

>> You have made some very fine points about the nature of the arudha

>lagna and

>> atmakaraka.

>>

>> Arudha lagna is the illusionary belief system based on our

>indoctrination

>> and what we consider as good and bad, what we consider as right

>and wrong.

>> It is always black and white, the good guys and bad guys are based

>on this

>> indoctrination by society (Moon) and mental experiences (Moon-

>manas) which

>> is based on memory which agai is a function of selective retention

>(Jupiter)

>> and selective erosion (Saturn) based on how pleasant they were.

>This emotion

>> of pleasant memory and otherwise is subjective to the individual

>and will

>> vary based on the rasi where the arudha lagna is. The arudha lagna

>is this

>> illusion that is created by the intelligence (lagna and paka

>lagna).

>>

>> Now come to the possibility where the arudha lagna and atmakaraka

>are in the

>> same sign. To be in the same sign it becomes imperative that the

>lagnesa and

>> at atmakaraka are different planets. The indoctrination of the

>society of

>> influence is indicated by the arudha lagna. Moon is the

>significator for

>> this showing the primary indoctrination coming from the society

>connected

>> with home - mother, mother tongue, family, childhood days etc.

>Jupiter is a

>> great benefic for the fame and shows the indictrination coming

>from the

>> learning that the society offers.

>>

>> Now Atmakaraka is like a Jyotirlinga. It holds tremendous

>knowlege - the

>> knowledge of the paramesthi guru - the knowlegde of Shiva. This

>knowledge

>> when coming into contact with any arudha or any graha pada throws

>up the

>> *untruth* associated with the indoctrination. After all Shiva is -

>satyam

>> shivam sundaram.

>>

>> That is why when the arudha lagna and the atmakaraka come

>together, the

>> person starts to question the indoctrination of society. He

>challenges the

>> teachings of the society and may reject many such teachings. Let

>us examine

>> some of these cases (since you take the trouble of giving the

>example, its

>> my pleasure to continue the thread).

>>

>> 1. Mahatma Gandhi has atmakaraka Jupiter, so his arudha lagna and

>AL are not

>> the same. I use the time of 7.30 am LMT for his chart as is

>reported widely.

>> The change came for him due to the *atmakaraka replacement* caused

>by the

>> Moon and Jupiter being in the same degree. So at about 24 -32

>years of age

>> he will change very drastically. When this change will occur, the

>arudha

>> lagna and *new atmakaraka* will become one in Cancer and he

>questioned the

>> political system of the day as he has Rahu influencing the

>atmakaraka Moon.

>> He questioned the untruth in it and started to show the path to

>*RAMA RAJYA*

>> through satyagraha. Remember New AK Moon is with Rahu.

>>

>> 2. Jiddu Krishnamuti has the Sun atmakaraka in arudha lagna in

>Aries. This

>> is the most royal sign and the Sun relates to father. There is a

>dictum

>> which states that the Sun in the 1st or 7th house in Aries/Libra -

>native is

>> abandoned by parents. This is true both for Bhagavan Sri Rama and

>Jiddu

>> Krishnamurti who had Sun in AL in Aries and Saturn in 7th house.

>> Krishnamurti lost his mother in 1905 and was finally adopted by

>Helena

>> Blavatsky in 1910. Then there was a legal dispute over parental

>custody

>> between Blavatsky and Jiddu Narasimah (Krishnamurti's biological

>father). It

>> finally ended when Krishnamurti finall appeared at the Privy

>council and

>> chose Blavatsky instead of his father. [at this stage the arudha

>lagna

>> dominated over the atmakaraka as Krishnamurti was only 18 years

>old].

>> However, the atmakaraka started rising after his 28 years of age

>as it is in

>> Aries - this was triggered by two events (1) death of father [sun]

>in 1924

>> and (2) death of brother [Mars] in 1925. Look at the Sun in Aries

>as AK.

>> Then in 1929 on the opening day of the annual Star Camp at Ommen,

>Holland,

>> Krishnamurti dissolved the Order before 3000 members. This was the

>complete

>> and total rejection of the arudha. He questioned the fundamental

>basis of

>> the guru-shisya parampara and said that the spiritual path was a

>path to

>> freedom while the guru-shisya parampara of spiritual lineages in

>India were

>> a kind of bondage. Remember AK Sun in AL is aspected by Saturn.

>>

>> 3. Dr. B.V.Raman has the atmakaraka Moon with Saturn in the arudha

>lagna and

>> just like the other two cases, he questioned the basic theory that

>jyotisa

>> should not be taught to foreigners as (1) Jyotisa was a vedanga

>and (2) it

>> should not be taught in foreign languages. He was the first one to

>break

>> free from this in a large scale teaching of jyotisa through the

>Astrological

>> Magazine. To do this he needed to have another yoga as mentioned

>in Deva

>> Keralam: The association of the lords of the 6th and 8th houses in

>a yoga

>> with either the 5th lord or the 5th house. Such a person will

>teach the

>> vedas and vedanga to foreigners in a foreign land and in a foreign

>language.

>> In Dr Raman's chart we find that the fifth lord Mercury is also

>the 8th lord

>> and is in kendra to Moon (sarada yoga) and with the dharma-

>karmadhipati yoga

>> (highest yoga necessary to teach veda/vedanga).

>>

>> The point I am trying to make is that when you say (1) questionig

>process,

>> there must be a suitable combination showing the questioning

>process and

>> unless we have a saturn or Rahu involved what will trigger the

>questioning?

>> Saturn indicates sorrow and suffering that triggers questioning

>while causes

>> shocks to start the questioning. (2) Many factors that you state

>should be

>> defined and in general is it necessary to achieve by teaching this

>knowledge

>> to others? There are millions who have had similar lessons but did

>not

>> bother to go out and teach it to others like the three we

>discussed above

>> did. In each of their cases there were yogas outside the

>cmbination of AK

>> and AL to support the activity that is required after the

>questioning

>> process. (3) You have correctly pointed out that a harsh situation

>> accelerates the questioning and change - this is perfectly right

>but then it

>> must translate into *jyotisa language* which I have done by adding

>the

>> terrible taste of the malefic planets.

>>

>> Finally Bharat, thanks for this. It made me see my own chart and

>wonder why

>> I have done what I did so far and whether I should continue doing

>it. [Aug

>> 7, 1963; 9.15 Pm Sambalpur, India] How many more harsh lessons

>will Saturn

>> give.

>>

>> One more point - the final decision shall also depend on factors

>outside the

>> AK, AL story. Lets try these - Why did Krishnamurti reject the

>Guru-shisya

>> parampara of ancient India? Did the makara lagna have a say? Why

>did Gandhi

>> take to Satyagraha on the one hand and dilly dally with satyagraha

>in sexual

>> control? Did the Libra lagna with Mars and Venus have a say?

>>

>> With best wishes and warm regards,

>> Sanjay Rath

>> * * *

>> Sri Jagannath CenterR

>> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road

>> New Delhi 110060, India

>> <http://srath.com> http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162

>> * * *

>>

>>

>> >

>> >bharateiya [ <bharateiya>

>> bharateiya]

>> >Tuesday, June 07, 2005 12:20 AM

>> >vedic astrology

>> >[vedic astrology] Re: atmakaraka in Al

>> >

>> >Namaskaar Again Sri Sanjay

>> >

>> >Greal souls who have Atmakaraka in Arudha Lagna are:

>> >1. Mahatma Gandhi

>> >2. Sri J. Krishnamurthi

>> >3. Sri Bangalore Venkata Raman

>> >

>> >There are others whose Atmakaraka aspects the Arudha Lagna:

>> >1. Sri Raman Maharishi - 7th from AL Moon AK 2. Sri Sathya

>Sai Bada -

>> >5th from AL Guru AK 3. Sri Gautam Buddha - 7th from AL Buddha AK 4.

>> >Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu - 7th from AL Saturn AK

>> >

>> >I have no references from classical text to show how this

>occurs. My

>> >logic is:

>> >Arudha Lagna signifies the illusion which is born out of

>the seizing

>> >effect of Grahas. Seizing is to close one'e eyes to the

>whole picture

>> >(Truth) and thereby cause ignorance. The mind then

>misinterprets the

>> >whole picture by way of Arudha.

>> >

>> >Atmakaraka is the force that desires freedom. It propels us towards

>> >it.

>> >

>> >Atmakaraka in AL signify two opposite forces and therefore a

>conflict.

>> >Atmakaraka if strong and in its period, will cause a rift in the

>mind.

>> >It will start the questioning process. The questioning

>process shall

>> >succeed or not is dependent upon many factors. However, the march

>> >towards emotional maturity and understanding the limitedness of

>> >illusionary joys begins.

>> >

>> >If a harsh situation occurs for the native, then this

>process can be

>> >faster.

>> >

>> >This is a topic to be researched and I request others to post their

>> >views and if they have sastras know how, then, to share it.

>> >

>> >Thanks and Regards

>> >Bharat

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath"

>> ><guruji@s...> wrote:

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> Jaya Jagannatha

>> >> Dear Bharat

>> >> Can you cite some examples of great souls who have the

>atmakaraka in

>> >arudha

>> >> lagna and have shown the path to immortality or moksha or some

>such

>> >great

>> >> activity? I shall be most grateful.

>> >> With best wishes and warm regards,

>> >> Sanjay Rath

>> >> * * *

>> >> Sri Jagannath CenterR

>> >> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road

>> >> New Delhi 110060, India

>> >> <http://srath.com> http://srath.com < <http://srath.com/>

>> http://srath.com/> , +91-11-25717162

>> >> * * *

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> bharateiya <bharateiya> wrote:

>> >>

>> >> Namaskaar Shree Aruna

>> >>

>> >> Atmakaraka is a propelling graha towards knowledge of oneself.

>In

>> >> Arudha lagna it disspells the ignorance and the illusion. The

>result

>> >> is in whenever the associated period starts...the person

>> >will have to

>> >> come face with a difficult circumstance and way out will show

>the

>> >> person a great secret about life.

>> >>

>> >> The person will realize two sides of a coin is actually the

>> >same coin.

>> >> Such a person will be a great mediator and a diplomat. The

>native is

>> >> keen on Self Analysis and can recognize slowly and steadily

>> >the effect

>> >> of Maya within.

>> >>

>> >> Such a person can a good teacher and can guide others towards

>their

>> >> learning and solving life's matters.

>> >>

>> >> I would love to hear other's comments on this very interesting

>topic.

>> >>

>> >> Thanks and Regards

>> >> Bharat

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> vedic astrology, "a_srimantula"

>> >> <a_srimantula> wrote:

>> >> > Respected Gurus,

>> >> >

>> >> > In general what are the results of atmakaraka in Arudhalagna?

>> >> >

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Namaskaar Sri Sanjay

 

I apologize for replying late. I have been advised rest by the doctor

as over exertion especially too much work on computer and going out in

the Sun took toll on me. However I could not resist myself from

praising your response.

 

You have given shape to the idea in astrology terms and I am glad I am

part of this group to be able to read it. I have much to learn and

this awareness of my ignorance keeps me striving for more knowledge.

My Arudha Lagna's Lord is my Atmakaraka. Perhaps it has something to

do with it.

 

Saturn's harsh lessons are only appearing so in terms of affluence

that you attract towards yourself. Such that the attachment does not

occur to the same, you are saved by Saturn. You stand for tradition

and atmakaraka gains a lot by it, it does not let you be attached to

it. Saturn brings to you joys of breaking an identification to a part

of society and making you identified with the larger unconnected

whole. It is very interesting that Mars is guarding your

identification to the tradition.

I am reminded of Sri Nachiketa's story with Sri Dharmaraaj Yama. The

Kaal is promising you all the enjoyments through mooltrikona Rahu-Ketu

and yet the Atmakaraka is forcing you to reject the same for

furtherance of knowledge. It must be painful till you realize the

benefit. I agree.

 

 

Why did J. Krishnamurti leave the Guru Shishya parampara: Surya in

Arudha Lagna. Surya represents freedom. It is a leader and non

dependent upon anything. It is light unto itself. It takes

Guru-Shishya Parampara as a bondage as sooner or later Shishyas get

attached to the Guru. Sun represents the Truth such that its light

burns the darkness (ignorance). Sun, as an Atmakaraka is extremely

independent. However, he only laid emphasis on the idea of attachment

and not on the learning. He was pro education and learning perhaps

from multiple gurus. I would say the nature of Atmakaraka has a great

role to play alongwith the planets aspecting it, as you mentioned.

 

Another thing to see is that the Arudha lagna and the Atmakaraka are

in the 4th house. It is possible that he did not force his thought

upon anyone and let it be known to those who came to him.

 

In Mahatma Gandhi's chart the AL and AK are placed in the tenth house

and it is possible that he expressed the same in his work and involved

those who were under his domain. His dilly dally with sexual control

was possible due to his Mars and Venus in the lagna. It was an issue

for him. Very correctly stated.

 

Here Moon is the Atmakaraka and it is through sensitivity, societal

benefit, love and devotion that are causing the satyagraha against the

Arudha. All qualities of the Moon.

 

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" <guruji@s...> wrote:

>

>

>

> Jaya Jagannatha

> Dear Bharat

>

> You have made some very fine points about the nature of the arudha

lagna and

> atmakaraka.

>

> Arudha lagna is the illusionary belief system based on our

indoctrination

> and what we consider as good and bad, what we consider as right and

wrong.

> It is always black and white, the good guys and bad guys are based

on this

> indoctrination by society (Moon) and mental experiences (Moon-manas)

which

> is based on memory which agai is a function of selective retention

(Jupiter)

> and selective erosion (Saturn) based on how pleasant they were. This

emotion

> of pleasant memory and otherwise is subjective to the individual and

will

> vary based on the rasi where the arudha lagna is. The arudha lagna

is this

> illusion that is created by the intelligence (lagna and paka lagna).

>

> Now come to the possibility where the arudha lagna and atmakaraka

are in the

> same sign. To be in the same sign it becomes imperative that the

lagnesa and

> at atmakaraka are different planets. The indoctrination of the

society of

> influence is indicated by the arudha lagna. Moon is the significator for

> this showing the primary indoctrination coming from the society

connected

> with home - mother, mother tongue, family, childhood days etc.

Jupiter is a

> great benefic for the fame and shows the indictrination coming from the

> learning that the society offers.

>

> Now Atmakaraka is like a Jyotirlinga. It holds tremendous knowlege - the

> knowledge of the paramesthi guru - the knowlegde of Shiva. This

knowledge

> when coming into contact with any arudha or any graha pada throws up the

> *untruth* associated with the indoctrination. After all Shiva is -

satyam

> shivam sundaram.

>

> That is why when the arudha lagna and the atmakaraka come together, the

> person starts to question the indoctrination of society. He

challenges the

> teachings of the society and may reject many such teachings. Let us

examine

> some of these cases (since you take the trouble of giving the

example, its

> my pleasure to continue the thread).

>

> 1. Mahatma Gandhi has atmakaraka Jupiter, so his arudha lagna and AL

are not

> the same. I use the time of 7.30 am LMT for his chart as is reported

widely.

> The change came for him due to the *atmakaraka replacement* caused

by the

> Moon and Jupiter being in the same degree. So at about 24 -32 years

of age

> he will change very drastically. When this change will occur, the arudha

> lagna and *new atmakaraka* will become one in Cancer and he

questioned the

> political system of the day as he has Rahu influencing the

atmakaraka Moon.

> He questioned the untruth in it and started to show the path to

*RAMA RAJYA*

> through satyagraha. Remember New AK Moon is with Rahu.

>

> 2. Jiddu Krishnamuti has the Sun atmakaraka in arudha lagna in

Aries. This

> is the most royal sign and the Sun relates to father. There is a dictum

> which states that the Sun in the 1st or 7th house in Aries/Libra -

native is

> abandoned by parents. This is true both for Bhagavan Sri Rama and Jiddu

> Krishnamurti who had Sun in AL in Aries and Saturn in 7th house.

> Krishnamurti lost his mother in 1905 and was finally adopted by Helena

> Blavatsky in 1910. Then there was a legal dispute over parental custody

> between Blavatsky and Jiddu Narasimah (Krishnamurti's biological

father). It

> finally ended when Krishnamurti finall appeared at the Privy council and

> chose Blavatsky instead of his father. [at this stage the arudha lagna

> dominated over the atmakaraka as Krishnamurti was only 18 years old].

> However, the atmakaraka started rising after his 28 years of age as

it is in

> Aries - this was triggered by two events (1) death of father [sun]

in 1924

> and (2) death of brother [Mars] in 1925. Look at the Sun in Aries as AK.

> Then in 1929 on the opening day of the annual Star Camp at Ommen,

Holland,

> Krishnamurti dissolved the Order before 3000 members. This was the

complete

> and total rejection of the arudha. He questioned the fundamental

basis of

> the guru-shisya parampara and said that the spiritual path was a path to

> freedom while the guru-shisya parampara of spiritual lineages in

India were

> a kind of bondage. Remember AK Sun in AL is aspected by Saturn.

>

> 3. Dr. B.V.Raman has the atmakaraka Moon with Saturn in the arudha

lagna and

> just like the other two cases, he questioned the basic theory that

jyotisa

> should not be taught to foreigners as (1) Jyotisa was a vedanga and

(2) it

> should not be taught in foreign languages. He was the first one to break

> free from this in a large scale teaching of jyotisa through the

Astrological

> Magazine. To do this he needed to have another yoga as mentioned in Deva

> Keralam: The association of the lords of the 6th and 8th houses in a

yoga

> with either the 5th lord or the 5th house. Such a person will teach the

> vedas and vedanga to foreigners in a foreign land and in a foreign

language.

> In Dr Raman's chart we find that the fifth lord Mercury is also the

8th lord

> and is in kendra to Moon (sarada yoga) and with the

dharma-karmadhipati yoga

> (highest yoga necessary to teach veda/vedanga).

>

> The point I am trying to make is that when you say (1) questionig

process,

> there must be a suitable combination showing the questioning process and

> unless we have a saturn or Rahu involved what will trigger the

questioning?

> Saturn indicates sorrow and suffering that triggers questioning

while causes

> shocks to start the questioning. (2) Many factors that you state

should be

> defined and in general is it necessary to achieve by teaching this

knowledge

> to others? There are millions who have had similar lessons but did not

> bother to go out and teach it to others like the three we discussed

above

> did. In each of their cases there were yogas outside the cmbination

of AK

> and AL to support the activity that is required after the questioning

> process. (3) You have correctly pointed out that a harsh situation

> accelerates the questioning and change - this is perfectly right but

then it

> must translate into *jyotisa language* which I have done by adding the

> terrible taste of the malefic planets.

>

> Finally Bharat, thanks for this. It made me see my own chart and

wonder why

> I have done what I did so far and whether I should continue doing

it. [Aug

> 7, 1963; 9.15 Pm Sambalpur, India] How many more harsh lessons will

Saturn

> give.

>

> One more point - the final decision shall also depend on factors

outside the

> AK, AL story. Lets try these - Why did Krishnamurti reject the

Guru-shisya

> parampara of ancient India? Did the makara lagna have a say? Why did

Gandhi

> take to Satyagraha on the one hand and dilly dally with satyagraha

in sexual

> control? Did the Libra lagna with Mars and Venus have a say?

>

> With best wishes and warm regards,

> Sanjay Rath

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> >

> >bharateiya [ <bharateiya>

> bharateiya]

> >Tuesday, June 07, 2005 12:20 AM

> >vedic astrology

> >[vedic astrology] Re: atmakaraka in Al

> >

> >Namaskaar Again Sri Sanjay

> >

> >Greal souls who have Atmakaraka in Arudha Lagna are:

> >1. Mahatma Gandhi

> >2. Sri J. Krishnamurthi

> >3. Sri Bangalore Venkata Raman

> >

> >There are others whose Atmakaraka aspects the Arudha Lagna:

> >1. Sri Raman Maharishi - 7th from AL Moon AK 2. Sri Sathya Sai

> >Bada - 5th from AL Guru AK 3. Sri Gautam Buddha - 7th from AL

> >Buddha AK 4. Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu - 7th from AL Saturn AK

> >

> >I have no references from classical text to show how this

> >occurs. My logic is:

> >Arudha Lagna signifies the illusion which is born out of the

> >seizing effect of Grahas. Seizing is to close one'e eyes to

> >the whole picture

> >(Truth) and thereby cause ignorance. The mind then

> >misinterprets the whole picture by way of Arudha.

> >

> >Atmakaraka is the force that desires freedom. It propels us

> >towards it.

> >

> >Atmakaraka in AL signify two opposite forces and therefore a conflict.

> >Atmakaraka if strong and in its period, will cause a rift in the mind.

> >It will start the questioning process. The questioning process

> >shall succeed or not is dependent upon many factors. However,

> >the march towards emotional maturity and understanding the

> >limitedness of illusionary joys begins.

> >

> >If a harsh situation occurs for the native, then this process

> >can be faster.

> >

> >This is a topic to be researched and I request others to post

> >their views and if they have sastras know how, then, to share it.

> >

> >Thanks and Regards

> >Bharat

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath"

> ><guruji@s...> wrote:

> >>

> >>

> >> Jaya Jagannatha

> >> Dear Bharat

> >> Can you cite some examples of great souls who have the atmakaraka in

> >arudha

> >> lagna and have shown the path to immortality or moksha or some such

> >great

> >> activity? I shall be most grateful.

> >> With best wishes and warm regards,

> >> Sanjay Rath

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> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> bharateiya <bharateiya> wrote:

> >>

> >> Namaskaar Shree Aruna

> >>

> >> Atmakaraka is a propelling graha towards knowledge of oneself. In

> >> Arudha lagna it disspells the ignorance and the illusion. The result

> >> is in whenever the associated period starts...the person

> >will have to

> >> come face with a difficult circumstance and way out will show the

> >> person a great secret about life.

> >>

> >> The person will realize two sides of a coin is actually the

> >same coin.

> >> Such a person will be a great mediator and a diplomat. The native is

> >> keen on Self Analysis and can recognize slowly and steadily

> >the effect

> >> of Maya within.

> >>

> >> Such a person can a good teacher and can guide others towards their

> >> learning and solving life's matters.

> >>

> >> I would love to hear other's comments on this very interesting topic.

> >>

> >> Thanks and Regards

> >> Bharat

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> vedic astrology, "a_srimantula"

> >> <a_srimantula> wrote:

> >> > Respected Gurus,

> >> >

> >> > In general what are the results of atmakaraka in Arudhalagna?

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Namaskaar Sri Anuraag,

 

Your post and question is addressed to Sri Sanjay. Would you allow me

to say something to this effect?

 

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

 

 

vedic astrology, "anuraagsharma27"

<anuraagsharma27@h...> wrote:

> Respected Sanjay Ji,

>

> Pranaam.

>

> Firstly, thank you for the illuminating post about the linkages

> between the Arudha Lagna and the Atmakaraka.

>

> I have some questions. It is stated that the Arudha Lagna is our

> illusory belief system. It has been consistently seen in the

> writings here that all Arudha Padas shows the illusions of

> the 'world' about the various facets of the native's life as seen

> from the various Bhavas and then manifested as visible indications

> by the Bhava Padas themselves. It has been taught basically that the

> metaphysical truth about the Jatak is seen from the Lagna, and what

> the world perceives of the native is seen from the Arudha Lagna.

>

> Is the illusion of Maya that subsists in the Arudha Lagna native-

> centric? Does it arise of the beliefs of the native himself, whether

> through retention or rejection of memory or is it that these factors

> apply to the world at large when they contemplate the native in

> their own minds?

>

> It has also been stated in the past that the illusions of the native

> are seen from the Graha Arudhas.

>

> I suspect there is probably some serious flaw in my understanding or

> something is amiss. I tend to think that there may not be water-

> tight distinctions between the various reference points but it would

> be illuminating if you could shed some more light on this.

>

> Could it also be that when AK and AL are conjoined, what happens is

> that the influences that were coming from the society in the form of

> opinions and ideas of that society pertaining to the native (AL?),

> are seen for what they actually are (AK influnece) and the hold of

> Maya is weakened as the Satya (AK) exposes the empty shell of the

> Arudha? The timing could be done from the Vimshottari of the AK and

> the replacement studied as you have instructed in your post.

>

> It is clear from the post as to the effects of the AK and linkages

> with Shani and the effects that could accrue. You have taught that

> the 7th from AL is the opposition to the image just as the Grahas in

> the 7th from UL tend to show opposing forces from the family of the

> spouse. In one's own chart (11th June,1972;10:17 AM; Cuttack,

> Orissa) the Lagnesh is also the AK placed with Shani and an Amavasya

> Tithi

> Chandra in the 10th House, 7th from the AL, and the Surya-Chandra-

> Shani Yuti is also aspected by the Nodes! The interactions of the

> image have been such that the tremendous rush and fall of the AL

> caused by Rashi Drishti of the nodes has been deciphered for being

> what it is: a big show of transience that changes in such a fickle

> manner.

>

> Since the AK is with Shani in A7, just as you have instructed in the

> post, the realities relating to interaction have also been

> suspected, piercing the veil of the Darapada. I am hopeful that to

> this extent I have understood what has been taught.

>

> It would be kind of you to clear the doubts as to indoctrination and

> the AL.

>

> I am aware that this message may have many errors and only seeks to

> lay down some of my thoughts on the matter.

>

> Regards.

>

> Anurag Sharma.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" <guruji@s...>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Jaya Jagannatha

> > Dear Bharat

> >

> > You have made some very fine points about the nature of the arudha

> lagna and

> > atmakaraka.

> >

> > Arudha lagna is the illusionary belief system based on our

> indoctrination

> > and what we consider as good and bad, what we consider as right

> and wrong.

> > It is always black and white, the good guys and bad guys are based

> on this

> > indoctrination by society (Moon) and mental experiences (Moon-

> manas) which

> > is based on memory which agai is a function of selective retention

> (Jupiter)

> > and selective erosion (Saturn) based on how pleasant they were.

> This emotion

> > of pleasant memory and otherwise is subjective to the individual

> and will

> > vary based on the rasi where the arudha lagna is. The arudha lagna

> is this

> > illusion that is created by the intelligence (lagna and paka

> lagna).

> >

> > Now come to the possibility where the arudha lagna and atmakaraka

> are in the

> > same sign. To be in the same sign it becomes imperative that the

> lagnesa and

> > at atmakaraka are different planets. The indoctrination of the

> society of

> > influence is indicated by the arudha lagna. Moon is the

> significator for

> > this showing the primary indoctrination coming from the society

> connected

> > with home - mother, mother tongue, family, childhood days etc.

> Jupiter is a

> > great benefic for the fame and shows the indictrination coming

> from the

> > learning that the society offers.

> >

> > Now Atmakaraka is like a Jyotirlinga. It holds tremendous

> knowlege - the

> > knowledge of the paramesthi guru - the knowlegde of Shiva. This

> knowledge

> > when coming into contact with any arudha or any graha pada throws

> up the

> > *untruth* associated with the indoctrination. After all Shiva is -

> satyam

> > shivam sundaram.

> >

> > That is why when the arudha lagna and the atmakaraka come

> together, the

> > person starts to question the indoctrination of society. He

> challenges the

> > teachings of the society and may reject many such teachings. Let

> us examine

> > some of these cases (since you take the trouble of giving the

> example, its

> > my pleasure to continue the thread).

> >

> > 1. Mahatma Gandhi has atmakaraka Jupiter, so his arudha lagna and

> AL are not

> > the same. I use the time of 7.30 am LMT for his chart as is

> reported widely.

> > The change came for him due to the *atmakaraka replacement* caused

> by the

> > Moon and Jupiter being in the same degree. So at about 24 -32

> years of age

> > he will change very drastically. When this change will occur, the

> arudha

> > lagna and *new atmakaraka* will become one in Cancer and he

> questioned the

> > political system of the day as he has Rahu influencing the

> atmakaraka Moon.

> > He questioned the untruth in it and started to show the path to

> *RAMA RAJYA*

> > through satyagraha. Remember New AK Moon is with Rahu.

> >

> > 2. Jiddu Krishnamuti has the Sun atmakaraka in arudha lagna in

> Aries. This

> > is the most royal sign and the Sun relates to father. There is a

> dictum

> > which states that the Sun in the 1st or 7th house in Aries/Libra -

> native is

> > abandoned by parents. This is true both for Bhagavan Sri Rama and

> Jiddu

> > Krishnamurti who had Sun in AL in Aries and Saturn in 7th house.

> > Krishnamurti lost his mother in 1905 and was finally adopted by

> Helena

> > Blavatsky in 1910. Then there was a legal dispute over parental

> custody

> > between Blavatsky and Jiddu Narasimah (Krishnamurti's biological

> father). It

> > finally ended when Krishnamurti finall appeared at the Privy

> council and

> > chose Blavatsky instead of his father. [at this stage the arudha

> lagna

> > dominated over the atmakaraka as Krishnamurti was only 18 years

> old].

> > However, the atmakaraka started rising after his 28 years of age

> as it is in

> > Aries - this was triggered by two events (1) death of father [sun]

> in 1924

> > and (2) death of brother [Mars] in 1925. Look at the Sun in Aries

> as AK.

> > Then in 1929 on the opening day of the annual Star Camp at Ommen,

> Holland,

> > Krishnamurti dissolved the Order before 3000 members. This was the

> complete

> > and total rejection of the arudha. He questioned the fundamental

> basis of

> > the guru-shisya parampara and said that the spiritual path was a

> path to

> > freedom while the guru-shisya parampara of spiritual lineages in

> India were

> > a kind of bondage. Remember AK Sun in AL is aspected by Saturn.

> >

> > 3. Dr. B.V.Raman has the atmakaraka Moon with Saturn in the arudha

> lagna and

> > just like the other two cases, he questioned the basic theory that

> jyotisa

> > should not be taught to foreigners as (1) Jyotisa was a vedanga

> and (2) it

> > should not be taught in foreign languages. He was the first one to

> break

> > free from this in a large scale teaching of jyotisa through the

> Astrological

> > Magazine. To do this he needed to have another yoga as mentioned

> in Deva

> > Keralam: The association of the lords of the 6th and 8th houses in

> a yoga

> > with either the 5th lord or the 5th house. Such a person will

> teach the

> > vedas and vedanga to foreigners in a foreign land and in a foreign

> language.

> > In Dr Raman's chart we find that the fifth lord Mercury is also

> the 8th lord

> > and is in kendra to Moon (sarada yoga) and with the dharma-

> karmadhipati yoga

> > (highest yoga necessary to teach veda/vedanga).

> >

> > The point I am trying to make is that when you say (1) questionig

> process,

> > there must be a suitable combination showing the questioning

> process and

> > unless we have a saturn or Rahu involved what will trigger the

> questioning?

> > Saturn indicates sorrow and suffering that triggers questioning

> while causes

> > shocks to start the questioning. (2) Many factors that you state

> should be

> > defined and in general is it necessary to achieve by teaching this

> knowledge

> > to others? There are millions who have had similar lessons but did

> not

> > bother to go out and teach it to others like the three we

> discussed above

> > did. In each of their cases there were yogas outside the

> cmbination of AK

> > and AL to support the activity that is required after the

> questioning

> > process. (3) You have correctly pointed out that a harsh situation

> > accelerates the questioning and change - this is perfectly right

> but then it

> > must translate into *jyotisa language* which I have done by adding

> the

> > terrible taste of the malefic planets.

> >

> > Finally Bharat, thanks for this. It made me see my own chart and

> wonder why

> > I have done what I did so far and whether I should continue doing

> it. [Aug

> > 7, 1963; 9.15 Pm Sambalpur, India] How many more harsh lessons

> will Saturn

> > give.

> >

> > One more point - the final decision shall also depend on factors

> outside the

> > AK, AL story. Lets try these - Why did Krishnamurti reject the

> Guru-shisya

> > parampara of ancient India? Did the makara lagna have a say? Why

> did Gandhi

> > take to Satyagraha on the one hand and dilly dally with satyagraha

> in sexual

> > control? Did the Libra lagna with Mars and Venus have a say?

> >

> > With best wishes and warm regards,

> > Sanjay Rath

> > * * *

> > Sri Jagannath CenterR

> > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road

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> >

> >

> > >

> > >bharateiya [ <bharateiya>

> > bharateiya]

> > >Tuesday, June 07, 2005 12:20 AM

> > >vedic astrology

> > >[vedic astrology] Re: atmakaraka in Al

> > >

> > >Namaskaar Again Sri Sanjay

> > >

> > >Greal souls who have Atmakaraka in Arudha Lagna are:

> > >1. Mahatma Gandhi

> > >2. Sri J. Krishnamurthi

> > >3. Sri Bangalore Venkata Raman

> > >

> > >There are others whose Atmakaraka aspects the Arudha Lagna:

> > >1. Sri Raman Maharishi - 7th from AL Moon AK 2. Sri Sathya Sai

> > >Bada - 5th from AL Guru AK 3. Sri Gautam Buddha - 7th from AL

> > >Buddha AK 4. Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu - 7th from AL Saturn AK

> > >

> > >I have no references from classical text to show how this

> > >occurs. My logic is:

> > >Arudha Lagna signifies the illusion which is born out of the

> > >seizing effect of Grahas. Seizing is to close one'e eyes to

> > >the whole picture

> > >(Truth) and thereby cause ignorance. The mind then

> > >misinterprets the whole picture by way of Arudha.

> > >

> > >Atmakaraka is the force that desires freedom. It propels us

> > >towards it.

> > >

> > >Atmakaraka in AL signify two opposite forces and therefore a

> conflict.

> > >Atmakaraka if strong and in its period, will cause a rift in the

> mind.

> > >It will start the questioning process. The questioning process

> > >shall succeed or not is dependent upon many factors. However,

> > >the march towards emotional maturity and understanding the

> > >limitedness of illusionary joys begins.

> > >

> > >If a harsh situation occurs for the native, then this process

> > >can be faster.

> > >

> > >This is a topic to be researched and I request others to post

> > >their views and if they have sastras know how, then, to share it.

> > >

> > >Thanks and Regards

> > >Bharat

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath"

> > ><guruji@s...> wrote:

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> Jaya Jagannatha

> > >> Dear Bharat

> > >> Can you cite some examples of great souls who have the

> atmakaraka in

> > >arudha

> > >> lagna and have shown the path to immortality or moksha or some

> such

> > >great

> > >> activity? I shall be most grateful.

> > >> With best wishes and warm regards,

> > >> Sanjay Rath

> > >> * * *

> > >> Sri Jagannath CenterR

> > >> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road

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> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> bharateiya <bharateiya> wrote:

> > >>

> > >> Namaskaar Shree Aruna

> > >>

> > >> Atmakaraka is a propelling graha towards knowledge of oneself.

> In

> > >> Arudha lagna it disspells the ignorance and the illusion. The

> result

> > >> is in whenever the associated period starts...the person

> > >will have to

> > >> come face with a difficult circumstance and way out will show

> the

> > >> person a great secret about life.

> > >>

> > >> The person will realize two sides of a coin is actually the

> > >same coin.

> > >> Such a person will be a great mediator and a diplomat. The

> native is

> > >> keen on Self Analysis and can recognize slowly and steadily

> > >the effect

> > >> of Maya within.

> > >>

> > >> Such a person can a good teacher and can guide others towards

> their

> > >> learning and solving life's matters.

> > >>

> > >> I would love to hear other's comments on this very interesting

> topic.

> > >>

> > >> Thanks and Regards

> > >> Bharat

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> vedic astrology, "a_srimantula"

> > >> <a_srimantula> wrote:

> > >> > Respected Gurus,

> > >> >

> > >> > In general what are the results of atmakaraka in Arudhalagna?

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> > Thanking you all

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