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ramanujacharya [jagadguru] prabhupada[1000 jagadgurus] prabhupada is 1000 times better than ramanujacharya? please provide some data to support this. your personal sentiment is not acceptable data.

Moderator, Feel free to delete this post if you find it inappropriate. Anyone who has spent some time on this forum should know that Hare Krishnas like theist are the biggest aparadhis here. They have no regard or respect for other people's beliefs. They have consistently mocked Advaita, Shaivas, Sai Baba and anything else they disagree with. Is this not some kind of conceited attitude to turn around and accuse others of Aparadha while pretending to be perfect? Hare Krishnas like theist are narcissists at heart. They are happy as long as they can say and do as they wish but start whining when they receive similar treatment from others.

Its not? I thought there was something about slaughterhouses which appears to be criticism. But iIf it is not criticism why do you think our "broad minded" theist started this thread?

Very eloquent. If evolution is a vedic idea then why are hare krishnas criticizing it? For prabhupdas problem is that it was stolen from india and not about its correctness. Hare Krishnas form the most confused religious group I have ever known.

really?? when prabhupada was criticized on this forum you and your friend were quick to label the critics as Prabhupada haters and vaishnava haters. different standards, eh? prabhupada and his followers can label anyone as rascal but they cannot be subject to similar criticism.

I dont understand. Are you saying Jesus did not tell his disciples the name Krishna because he was afraid of torture? He was killed because he was seen as a political threat. The Romans were not concerned about the details of his teachings. Revealing the name krishna or not revealing it would have made no difference. What about Moses and the old testament? If they came from God why was the name Krishna absent in their teachings? There was no threat of torture at that time.

You like broad minded thinking? Then you will have no problems with "Vishnu is a form of Shiva. Anyone who worships Vishnu is a Shaiva without knowing it".

I do not see a single line in your post showing support from Vyasa for such a concept.

is that a problem? Prabhupada can say anything and it becomes the truth for no reason other than he said it. This is what we get when people choose sentiments over discipline.

Advaita does not say fire and pain are illusory. This ia typical nonsense post from a Hare Krishna. Another Hare Krishna made a similar nonsense post that according to advaita I am you and you are me. I am not an advaita supporter...but this level of ignorance on the subject is hard to believe.

<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p> You must have talked to a foreign born Gaudiya Vaishnava. As they are mostly born into Christian families, they would have a hard time converting to a Hindu sect. Therefore they were told that Gaudiya Vaishnavism is not Hinduism. There are several Gaudiya Vaishnavas on this forum who have all but admitted that they would not have converted otherwise. <o:p></o:p>

You mean Gaudiya Vaishnavism. Other Vaishnava branches reject christianity as mlechcha dharma. I will remind you again that you are on a spritual forum and not a gaudiya vaishnava forum. Vaishnava does not default to Gaudiya Vaishnava here.

To be fair you should not concern yourself with the opinions of others. If you believe it is that easy then you should follow it. But I can tell you for sure that no other tradition makes it so easy. It is not a one lifetime project like in christianity.

No other vaishnava tradition makes it so easy. This sounds like christianity to me. This is another point difference between Gaudiya Vaishnavism and other branches of Vaishnavism. We understand it is hard to reach his lotus feet and it takes several lives of sadhana to get there. Until then, we will be born again and again in this world. Remembering Narayana at the time of death will take me closer the goal by putting me in a birth with favorable circumstances for my sadhana. But it will be a material birth on this planet. If chanting the HK mantra at death is enough then why did prabhupada ask people to chant 16 rounds daily and follow a number of rules? What happens to the Hare Krishna who does not know that he is going to die in the next few seconds or minutes and does not chant? like someone who is killed in a head on collision or dies in sleep.

Are you saying you believe you will not have any more human births after this because you follow Prabhupada's teachings? I do not know any Guru who offers such a guarantee to his disciples. The Gita says it takes many many births for a jiva to get out the cycle of birth and death. It says such a soul is rare. can you please explain why you think you will not be born again?

Did Sai Baba claim to be God or do his followers see him as God? There is a difference. According to you what are the qualities he should possess for him to be seen as God by his disciples or for him to personally make that claim? What is your position based upon?

We differ here. If the Guru makes unsubstantiated claims, the disciple is not bound to accept them.

cbrahma has been arguing for a long time that the link between christ and vaishnavism is real and part of siddhanta. The traditional meaning of the term vaishnava was changed to make this link possble.

Who gives such a guarantee? No such guarantee is available in traditional doctrines. The guru must substantiate his teaching from scriptures. He cannot make things up and expect his disciples to believe him. Similar to a professor/student relationship where the student does not accept the professor's statement which cannot be backed by evidence. A traditional Guru who follows the proper approach cannot make thing up like christ loka or categorize people as avatars without support in scripture. The Guru's teaching is not accepted for sentimental reasons.

<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p><o:p></o:p> The dvaita website has posted a page describing the deviations of Gaudiya Vaishnavism from the traditional view. Some of them are,<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> 1. Traditional branches of Vaishnavism rely on a broad range of scriptures. But Gaudiya Vaishnavas rely fully on the Bhagavatam. As these texts can be interpreted differently, lack support from other valid scriptures has resulted in misinterpretation by Gaudiya Vaishnavas.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> 2. Only Gaudiya Vaishnavas do not view Krishna as an avatar. <o:p></o:p> 3. Worship of Radha as a deity. <o:p></o:p> 4. Seeing Chaitanya as an avatar of Vishnu<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> These and recent attempts to forge links with Christianity for wooing Christians and such other practices are the reasons for seeing Gaudiya Vaishnavism as a controversial branch. Idiotic and arrogant responses from some HKs on the forum do not help either. <o:p></o:p>

Kulapavana, Do you see cbrahma avoided your challenge to accept prabhupada made a mistake about the moon? He is incredibly stupid or very cunning. Both are equally bad.

Someone named realist suddenly jumped into the thread sometime back. In his eyes, people discussing scriptures are either gaudiya Vaishnavas or mayavadis. No other category exists for this genius. Same problem with many others here...vaishnavism is gauidya vaishnavism only. Their brains cannot comprehend the existence of other branches of vaishnavism in spite of them existing longer and in larger groups.

Is it not the same old arrogance again? Christians missed the point...we know this because we Hare Krishnas got the point. Muslims missed the point...we know this because we Hare Krishnas got the point. Hindus missed the point...we know this because we Hare Krishnas got the point. Ultimately Hare Krishnas have got everything right. These who differ have got it wrong. Plain and Simple. I am not as baffled by this arrogance as I am at the nonsense value of such an attitude towards religion.

<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Brahma Samhita the scripture that has been known and followed for thousands of years by all Vaishnavas must be right compared to the Mahabharata and Puranas which are known only to Gaudiyas and are only a few hundred years old. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p><o:p></o:p> It is sad that Hindus have decided to follow thousand of years of tradition and scriptures instead of learning the real truth about Krishna and Vishnu from iskcon Christians. <o:p></o:p>

The same old hypocrisy and denial. Originally Posted by cbrahma The acaryas have every support from scripture. What is your scriptural reference to prove otherwise? My Response Calling your bluff....which scripture mentions christ-loka? If you cannot produce evidence then I suggest you keep silent and stop your long drawn nonsense on this forum.