matarisvan

Calling your bluff....which scripture mentions christ-loka? If you cannot produce evidence then I suggest you keep silent and stop your long drawn nonsense on this forum.

Srila Sanatan Goswami says, "One who is initiated into the Vaishnava mantra and who is devoted to worshipping Lord Vishnu/Krishna is a Vaishnava. One who is devoid of these practices is not a Vaishnava."

Shaktism is not a religion. It is the essence of religion - sanatana Dharma. Shaivism is not a religion. It is the essence of religion - sanatana Dharma. I thank Narayana with all my heart for not putting you in the positon of a Guru. Your inability to grasp basics is apalling. I cannot begin to imagine the harmful effects that would happen if someone like you was in the positon of a teacher. Thankfully your nonsense is limited to this discussion forum where readers by now know how you seriously lack knowledge on Vaishnavism and your lack of ability to learn.

In your mind, theist's mind and the three gaudiya acharyas with no support from scripture. That is five people in total...five people in delusion. Sri Vaishnavas, Madhva Vaishnavas and other Gauidya Vaihnavas do not think so. They follow a more sensible approach.

Theist is deceiving himself with false knowledge that he is above religion. But in reality he is more stuck up in labels than anyone else. Read his posts from April to see what I mean. He says he he is a slow learner and I have no reason to doubt that. As we are clearing up these misconceptions now it will be a few years before he gets this. Until then be prepared to hear the same nonsense over and over again from him.

Huh? The only twist is in your own mind. No one drove anyone away. HerServant was making stupid posts like genesis is ganesha and a number of such other connections based on nothing other than his/her imagination. Why will people not question such nonsense? Of course....by your logic, such ideas however absurd should not be questioned or challenged...because they mirror your own christian beliefs. Questioning or disagreeing your beliefs is harassment. But you are free to disagree and criticize anyone or with anything but that is not harassment. Your continued demonstration of double standards and hypocrisy are not fooling anyone.

Not all westerners. Some people like Kulapavana are intelligent and fair and clearly not rascals.

gokul, There are atheists in India too just like anywhere else. were you expecting indian atheists to behave differently? The recent arguments about Rama were not about the divine Rama. They were about lack of evidence for the mythological rama which upset the sentiments of some people.

But you responded anyway and avoided admitting your flaw. Double standards. My disagreement? The entire world knows the moon is not a star. It shows Prabhupada made mistakes and his word cannot be used as authority. I have no problems saying Hinduism is polytheistic.

Yeah....point out a flaw in your argument and that makes me a hostile person. Iskcon double standard are still in style.

kimfelix, This has been addresses in detail already. We will go by example. 1. Can you identify a Brahmin not by birth but by the iskcon meaning? What are your standards and how do you know your categorisation is correct? 2. Prabhupada thought he was capable of doing this and failed miserably. How are his followers more competent than him to be able to make such identification? 3. If the Mahabharata understanding is correct, then why was such a system not followed in India for thousands of years? 4. If varna of an individual can change from time to time then what meaning does it have?

You mean the educated Brahmin who called the moon a star? OK.

Didn't you say you were 14 sometime back? That seems early to be preparing for college applications. Good luck with your education and everything else.

He is now trying to provide a new definition of the term Veda. Something that is more in line with his beliefs to include Jesus.

A single iskcon temple contain idols of radha, krishna, sita, rama and gaura-nitai. It contains paintings of laxmana, hanuman and chaitanya. Another temple with idols for chaitanya, nityananda, advaita prabhu and gadadara prabhu. With this information, try convincing a Christian (not HK Christians, but a full Christian) that iskcon is monotheistic but when hindus do the same, it should be considered polytheism. No one has provided objective evidence that monotheism is better than polytheism.

cbrahma what were you trying to say in this thread? It is not clear.

Hinduism is Polytheist. Vivekananda and other Gurus who traveled to the west tried to show Hindu as monotheist to make it easier for westerners to gain an interest in the religion. But that will not work. To the Christian it does not make a difference if Hinduism is mono or poly. It is false and should be avoide in both cases. Some Hindus instead of asserting polytheism get defensive and try to deny it. I consider them ignorant because they are taking the bait of western conception that polytheism is bad. If anyone can present objective evidence that polytheism is lesser than monotheism I will hear it. If it is based on nothing other than semitic/christian sentiments then it has no value.

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Hasn't done you much good. Who said that? Raises doubts aboout your ability to read or your ability to comprehend what you read. worth nothing as your response is to a statement that was never made. Assuming accurately that your intelligence equals that of a third grader, "fruit does not mean apple" is not the same as "apple does not mean fruit".

Not all Brahmanas are Gurus. Birth alone is not sufficient.

guru-by-birth does not exist. In olden days it was common practice for the son to follow in the same line of work as his father. The goldsmith's son was a goldsmith, the king's son would be king, the potter's son was a potter. Because they would be trained in that line of work and were qualified to take up that profession.

more dumb responses...come out of your narrow little shell and understand what is discussed here before making nonsensical posts. vaishnava does not mean gaudiya vaishnava. gaudiya vaishnavas are a small branch of the vaishnava group. Why on earth do you think other vaishnava groups care for prabhupada's teacings? they have their own gurus and their own teachings much older than gaudiya vaishnavism. how much more time before you can realize this is not a gauidya discussion forum?

Some hks on this forum think all Vaishnavas (not just iskcon vaishnavas) have to follow Prabhupada or accept everything he says just because he said them.

Wake up. Advaita follows a disciplic succession from Narayana and follows varna by birth. SriVaishnavism follows a disciplic succession from Narayana and follows varna by birth. Tattavada follows a disciplic succession from Vishnu and follows varna by birth. Iskcon claims to follow a disciplic succession (indirectly through Tattvavada) from Krishna and does not follow varna by birth. You are commiting Aparpadha to 3 disciplic successions but I am commiting aparadha to only one which I consider bogus anyway. You are in a much worse position.

I have no problems accepting this.