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The answer a far as I'm concerned is personal realization, if we can understand we are not the material body and the dreaded mind, then we can understand that others are not their bodies and mind and see that Vishnu is in the hearts of ALL living beings, not just humans. This cannot be imitated, there must be personal realization of Krsna in the heart

Well, theist you have described nearly everyone on these threads and probably most of the aspiring devotees Also, if you have an hour to spare, listen to this prabhu. He is saying we have to understand Prabhupada's spiritual message and not so much on his comments in his books on material subject matter such as dealing with women or, for example, Quote - Hridayananda Swami - "Prabhupada's comment is that homosexuality is not even found in the animal Kingdome, when scientifically we know for a fact it does exist in the animal kingdom". Many many more points he honestly trys to understand himself <LI class=rss_item>Understanding Srila Prabhupada’s teachings correctly. 1.11 min recorded video from the latest 9th August - video - conference of Hridayananda Swami with the devotees of Sydney, Australia.... This could be interesting to you, what do you think?

Another Gurukuli Bhaktisiddhanta das, he plays Cricket

This is the universal creation described by the Vedas, there is no room for any dedate on this, this IS the fact. All of us have been taught this since we were very young. As far as I'm concernrd, there is too much nonsense STUPIED speculation on these threads. Learn to accept authority instead of the crazy workings of the mind on the mental plateform. THE ONLY WAY TO UNDERSTAND IS ACCEPT BONAFIDE AUTHORITY LIKE SRILA PRABHUPADA!!

Sudama often talked about his services for Prabhupada in the old days. How he would compete with other devotees who can serve Prabhupada better, who can spend more time with Prabhupada. Who can make the better garland for Prabhupada, who can cook for Prabhupada. Sudama helped open the Tokyo temple and had a lot to do with the Hawaii temple. He traveled as a sannyasi and stayed in the Brooklyn temple for a while. He traveled and preached and made devotees. He loved Srila Prabhupada with all his heart.

Kulapavana posted this two years ago but it is NOW coming true <!-- BEGIN TEMPLATE: bbcode_quote -->Quote: <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #666666 1px solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 3ex; BORDER-TOP: #666666 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 3ex; BORDER-LEFT: #666666 1px solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: #666666 1px solid" bgColor=#e0e0e0>Originally Posted by Kulapavana Israel will hit Iran in the next few months: Israeli official By Khalid Hasan WASHINGTON: Israel will strike Iran’s nuclear facilities in the next “month or two or three,” an Israeli official has been quoted here as saying. The unnamed official told Arnaud de Borchgrave, editor-in-chief of the United Press International (UPI), at the recently held national day reception at the Israeli Embassy that he believed Israel would strike Iran first in the next two or three months and that fighter bombers would not be involved as they had been to take out Iraq’s Osirak nuclear reactor before it went critical in 1981. For Osirak, Israel had used 14 F-15s and F-16s. This time, the Israeli said, it would be missiles. Asked if Israel would employ Cruise missiles, he replied, “with a gesture of his hand that went up and down again”, which meant that it would be the weapon of choice. Asked if tunnel entrances to widely scattered Iranian nuclear facilities would be targeted, he responded that Israel had its own geo-stationary spy-in-the-sky satellite taking constant pictures of Iran with a resolution down to 70 centimetres. “We know far more than anyone realises,” he added. De Borchgrave’s report quoted a poll of conservative Republicans by a conservative web-based news service, which showed overwhelmingly strong support for bombing Iran. Almost 60,000 people took part in the poll and 88 percent agreed that Iran poses a greater threat than Saddam Hussein did before the Iraq War. To the question, “Should the US undertake military action against Iran to stop their (nuclear) programme?” 77 percent replied yes, 23 percent said no. Forty-five percent said that military action should be taken by the United States, while 35 percent wanted Israel to do that. Twenty percent said neither. As for whether US efforts to contain Iran’s nuclear weapons are working, 93 percent said they were not, while 89 percent said the US should not rely solely on the UN. According to de Borchgrave, “Israel has developed some 100 Jericho-II medium-range ballistic missiles (which entered service in 1989). Jericho II’s range varies from 1,500 to 3,500 kilometres, depending on payload weight. They are deployed in underground caves and silos. Israel has several satellites in orbit - Ofeq-1 through Ofeq-5 - that were launched by Shavit space launch vehicles (SLV). The first two stages of the Shavit were Jericho II missiles. There are unconfirmed reports of an upgraded Jericho-3 missile with a range of over 3,000 kilometres. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> <!-- END TEMPLATE: bbcode_quote --> The human animal is ONLY protecting eating, sleeping mating with defending. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p> Lets see it all from the transcendental level that these threads are really meant for<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> From the viewpoint of each embodied baddha-jiva trapped in the restricted material world, they DO experience free will WITHIN the material body they possess, ACCORDING to desire, and karma that may appear to them that the actions of man creates the wars and peace etc in the material world. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> However, on a higher level of understanding, everything is following a plan (the dreams of Maha Vishnu) that is known by Maha Vishnu and not known by the embodied jiva, who enters His dreams and plays out those bodily roles, <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Therefore, as Krsna says, "not a blade of grass moves without the sanction of the Lord". <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> So the answer is, there is always free will for the embodied marginal living entity who enters the material world and chooses to wage peace or war influenced and directed by their own desires and Karma that are experienced and lived out within vessels provided by Maha-Vishnu. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Such 'vessels' are His creations and NOT the living entities, they manifested by Maha-Vishnu's dreams that are actually a real reality but are only temporary. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada – “This material creation is the spirit soul's dream. Actually all existence in the material world is a dream of Maha-Vishnu, as the Brahma-Samhita describes – <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Thakur - “This material world is created by the dreaming of Maha-Vishnu. The real, factual platform is the spiritual world, but when the spirit soul wants to imitate the Supreme Personality of Godhead, he is put into this dreamland of material creation”. 4.29.83.http://vedabase.net/sb/4/29/83/en<o:p></o:p>

Suchandra prabhu, thanks for this link. do you know anymore? Apparently Vishnu Dieties were recently found at St Petersburg Russia that had been there for over 1000 years or longer. This is an interesting subject to research

Stop looking at women as objects for a release of sexual agitation!!<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Unfortunately some devotees have miss used the philosophy to treat women as objects to satisfy their selfish ‘itch’ thinking it is their right to dictatorially have many wives they only emotionally, physically and psychologically push around and use as 'toilets' , then have the arrogant audacity to think they can take sannyas and be respected. <o:p></o:p>

I love reading these blissful pastimes of the devotees

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Nicely explained theist prabhu, here is more <CENTER>Chanting Hare Krishna explained byHis Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada</CENTER> <CENTER>Listen to Prabhupada's explanation & kirtan below</CENTER><CENTER></CENTER> The transcendental vibration established by the chanting of Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare, Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare is the sublime method of reviving our Krsna consciousness. As living spiritual souls we are all originally Krsna conscious entities, but due to our association with matter from time immemorial, our consciousness is now polluted by the material atmosphere. The material atmosphere, in which we are now living, is called Maya, or illusion. Maya means "that which is not." And what is this illusion? The illusion is that we are all trying to be lords of material nature, while actually we are under the grip of her stringent laws. When a servant artificially tries to imitate the all-powerful master, this is called illusion. In this polluted concept of life, we are all trying to exploit the resources of material nature, but actually we are becoming more and more entangled in her complexities. T herefore, although we are engaged in a hard struggle to conquer nature, we are ever more dependent on her. This illusory struggle against material nature can be stopped at once by the revival of our Krsna consciousness. Krsna consciousness is not an artificial imposition of the mind; this consciousness is the original energy of the living entity. When we hear the transcendental vibration, this consciousness is revived. And this is the process recommended for this age by authorities. By practical experience also, one can perceive that by chanting this maha-mantra or the Great Chanting for Deliverance, one can at once feel a transcendental ecstasy coming through from the spiritual stratum. And when one is factually on the plane of spiritual understanding-surpassing the stages of the senses, mind, and intelligence-one is situated on the transcendental plane. This chanting of Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare/Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare is directly enacted from the spiritual platform, and thus this sound vibration surpasses all lower strata of consciousness-namely sensual, mental, and intellectual. There is no need, therefore, to understand the language of the mantra, nor is there any need for mental speculation or any intellectual adjustment for chanting this maha-mantra. It springs automatically from the spiritual platform, and as such, anyone can take part in the chanting without any previous qualification, and dance in ecstasy. We have seen this practically. Even a child can take part in the chanting, or even a dog can take part in it. Of course, for one who is too entangled in material life, it takes a little more time to come to the standard point, but even such a materially engrossed man or women is raised to the spiritual platform very quickly. When the mantra is chanted by a pure devotee of the Lord in love, it has the greatest efficacy on the hearers, and as such, this chanting should be heard from the lips of a pure devotee of the Lord, so that immediate effects can be achieved. As far as possible, chanting from the lips of non-devotees should be avoided. Milk touched by the lips of a serpent has poisonous effects. The word Hara is the form of addressing the energy of the Lord, and the words Krsna and Rama are addressing the Lord Himself. Both Krsna and Rama mean "the supreme pleasure" and Hara is the supreme pleasure energy of the Lord, changed to hare in the vocative. The supreme pleasure energy of the Lord helps us to reach the Lord. The material energy, called Maya, is also one of the multi energies of the Lord. And we, the living entities, are also the energy-marginal energy-of the Lord. The living entities are described as superior to material energy. When the superior energy is in contact with the inferior energy, an incompatible situation arises; but when the superior marginal energy is in contact with the superior energy, called Hara, the living entity is established in his happy, normal condition. These three words, namely Hare, Krsna, and Rama, are transcendental seeds of the maha-mantra. The chanting is a spiritual call for the Lord and His internal energy, Hara, to give protection to the conditioned soul. This chanting is exactly like the genuine cry of a child for its mother. Mother Hara helps the devotee achieve the grace of the supreme Father, Hari, or Krsna, and the Lord reveals Himself to the devotee who chants this mantra sincerely. No other means of spiritual realization, therefore, is as effective in this age as chanting the maha-mantra: <CENTER>Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare</CENTER><CENTER></CENTER><CENTER> </CENTER><CENTER>Krsna consciousness is not an artificial imposition on the mind. This consciousness is the original energy of the living entity. When we hear the transcendental vibration, this consciousness is revived.His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada (05-02-08)</CENTER><CENTER></CENTER><CENTER>CLICK TO LISTEN | DOWNLOAD | </CENTER><CENTER></CENTER><CENTER>LINK -The Meaning of the Hare Krishna Mantra--1966 MP3 Audio Lecture</CENTER> <CENTER> Caitanya Mahaprabhu dreaming of Radha-Krsna</CENTER> How often and where should one chant? Srila Prabhupada set the rule that one should chant at least sixteen rounds a day if one is initiated. The best time for chanting is in the morning hours. Though Lord Caitanya mentions that there are no hard or fast rules for chanting, it is still important to know that the chanting is accompanied by following the regulative principles. However, since there are no hard and fast rules one can chant anytime and at any place. The most recommended way to chant is in association of devotees. It is also advantageous to chant in front of Tulasi devi. One main point that Mahaprabhu stressed is the attitude while chanting: <CENTER>trnad api sunicena taror api sahisnuna amanina manadena kirtaniya sada hari (Siksastaka 3) </CENTER><CENTER></CENTER> "One should chant the holy name of the Lord in a humble state of mind, thinking oneself lower than the straw on the street, being more tolerant than a tree and always ready to offer all respects to others. In such a state of mind one can chant the holy name of the Lord constantly." In regards of chanting during kirtan, there are certain rules, e.g. specific melodies and songs to be chanted in the temple. The classical melodies can be heard on the Vaisnava Songs link. If you came to this page from the 'Introduction to Krishna Consciousness' please click the back button on your browser to continue reading the introduction. If you are participating in the bhakta program use the links below to continue your study. http://www.harekrishnatemple.com/bhakta/chapter7.html Click to enlarge

"And a child will lead them" http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=HBqj6cjcn8o&feature=related I have added a piece from Prabhupada about jappa meditation on that site you mentioned theist. Jay, ALL GLORIOUS TO SRILA PRABHUPADA

I wonder if Jahnava Nitai and Sri Prahlad new each other? I was with Bhakti Vidya Purna Maharaj a few weeks ago and he knew both boys very well when they were growing up in ISKCON. Yes, they are very special rare souls.

I previously picked the only one with classes. Finally we now know which one is Jahnava Nitai Das -

Here is other success stories that I found interesting viewing Life of Sri Prahlad prabhu Jahnava Nitai prabhu Jagannatha Temple: Discrimination Based on Birth They most probably new each other

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Jahnava Nitai Das 1982, 7 or 8 years of age?? <FORM action=""></FORM>

Actually for those who can comprehend, this IS the humble answer to the 'origin of the jiva' as told by Srila Prabhupada, also explained above in a very simple and clear way, beyond any fancy poetic word jugglery and pages and pages of philosophy. The answer is simply given in a few short sentences as explained above however, the dust on the mirror of the heart must be cleared away by chanting Hare Krsna and selfless service to the devotees so one can see this truth of who they really are.

Well, this is Jahnava Nitai Das today. <TABLE><TBODY><TR><TD> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Flaxseed Oil - Organic <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p> I take it in an oval capsule form, non-gelatine capsule of course. The brand here in Australia is ‘Natures Own’. <o:p></o:p> The fresh oil of flax seed is the richest source of edible Omega 3, far higher than sesame seeds. It has a rich, deep golden colour with a gentle, pleasant aroma and nutty taste. Nature's Own flaxseed oil is organic and cold pressed, which means that it is pure and minimally processed. Omega 3 oils are easily damaged by processing and degenerate quickly in the presence of oxygen. <o:p></o:p> All of our bottles are flushed with nitrogen to enhance the stability of the oil. The organic status means that this product is guaranteed free from pesticides and herbicides <o:p></o:p> More ideas to improve health and repair years of self abuse <o:p></o:p> This is for those with really high blood pressure, talk to your doctor about Tritace but some maybe allergic so check with your doctor because of side effects with some<o:p></o:p> Also those who have trouble with high cholesterol try LIPITOR<o:p></o:p> But always check with your doctor because it may affect your good cholesterol, memory and mussel tissue (these side effects I never experienced except for a small loss of mussel tissue) You have to weigh up the advantages against the disadvantages. <o:p></o:p> After years of abusing our biological bodies we may have to take some medication the ‘naturalists' may or would not agree with but believe me, they do work, modern scientific medicine is getting better all the time. <o:p></o:p> I was put on high doses of Lipitor and it is so powerful, it cleaned out of my veins all the build up of ghee from the late 9pm Maha Prasadam as well as those Brahmacari offerings (halva rich in butter) from the 1970s. However this drug can be dangerous very in the long term because of serious side effects like mussel wasting away, memory loss and numbness in the limbs A more natural proguct is found here that I am turning to - Divya Mukta Vati (for High Blood Pressure) Divya Hridayamrita Vati (for Heart Disease) Maybe some knows whether Swami Ramdeva sells Flaxseed oil in liguid or encloded capsules Please post here if you do because I cannot find any information on the web or matchless gifts (the flag ship of this website Audarya Fellowship) Suchandra prabhu is good at finding information on the web

It's so nice to read a devotee of Krishna having these realizations. Thank you theist for inspiring us and bringing wisdom to this forum

When Upananda prabhu was approached by the Melbourne City council in April of 72, he told them that everything beings to Krsna and they should allow the devotees of Krsna to park freely while we performed Kirtan or chanting in the City (back then it was eight hours a day)<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Of course that never happened and they kept giving us tickets, we accumulated $60,000 in traffic fines. Years later the council wrote off the money because they couldn’t find the owner of the car. The cartoon below appeared in the Sun Newspaper, Melbourne Australia's biggest daily <!-- Album Navbar --><!-- BREADCRUMB START --><!-- Album Navbar --> <!-- BREADCRUMB END --><TABLE><TBODY><TR><TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Just a humble question, which one is Jahnava Nitai Das in the below photo of young ISKCON Gurukuli student pioneers in 1982 (age 7), who has in his adult life, provided us with this wonderful preaching facility?

Family meltdown Posted in Recent articles at 5:39 am Auguest 2, 2008 by Krishna Dharma FAMILY MELTDOWN LEADS TO HELL Exactly echoing a message found in the Bhagavad-gita, a senior judge recently declared that “almost all of society’s social ills can be traced directly to the collapse of the family life.” In a speech in Brighton to lawyers from Resolution, formerly the Solicitors’ Family Law Association, Mr Justice Coleridge warned of a “cancerous” increase in broken families and said the government must take “comprehensive action”. He described his experience of handling increasing numbers of cases in family courts as being a “never ending carnival of human misery - a ceaseless river of human distress”. The judge was not mincing his words; just as Arjuna in the Bhagavad-gita some 5000 years previously had not minced his words either. “With the destruction of family the eternal traditions of religious practises are destroyed,” he said to Krishna. And the ultimate end of such destruction would be “dwelling endlessly in hell.” It seems such hellishness is already being experienced if the good judge is to be believed. Largely concurring with Arjuna’s analysis of the problem, he went on to state that the effects of “family meltdown” would be seen over the next twenty years to be “as destructive as global warming.” The family unit is of course the foundation of any society. This is where we imbibe most of our values that take us through life. Therefore in the Vedic system family life revolves around spirituality. From an early age children are instilled with a strong sense of morality and habituated to regular spiritual practice. The great saint Prahlada said that this should start “from the very beginning of childhood.” Translating this into a practical programme for today, Srila Prabhupada states in the Gita, “The best process for making the home pleasant is Krishna consciousness. If one is in full Krishna consciousness, he can make his home very happy, because this process of Krishna consciousness is very easy. One need only chant Hare Krishna, accept the remnants of foodstuffs offered to Krishna, have some discussion on books like Bhagavad-gita and Srimad-Bhagavatam, and engage oneself in Deity worship… One should train the members of his family in this way.” As lifelong celibacy is not really an option for most of us, we need to enter family life. At least we should, but of course this is one of the social ills that the gradual erosion of moral standards has produced. People want to liase with the opposite sex, but increasingly the necessity of this being within the context of marriage is being seen as old fashioned. But the Vedas describe this as illicit sex, productive of so many other problems. For example, “unwanted progeny”, one of the ills listed by Arjuna in the Gita. This means children born or raised outside of a functional marriage and who are therefore more likely to be problematic. As Mr Justice Coleridge put it, “I am not saying every broken family produces dysfunctional children but I am saying that almost every dysfunctional child is the product of a broken family.” It should be obvious that a family where husband and wife live happily together is best for the children and indeed for society as a whole. And that is where the above spiritual practises are so helpful. As the old wisdom states, “A family that prays together, stays together.” Krishna consciousness certainly makes us peaceful and also gives us a higher happiness beyond the flickering pleasures of this world. This takes the pressure off of our relationships, which so often fail when one or other partner fails to give the pleasure and enjoyment they once gave to the other. When we become partners in a spiritual quest rather than in just an attempt to mutually gratify our senses we take our relationship to another level. And if we can set such examples for our children, while at the same time involving them in the spiritual practises, then surely things will improve all round. Peaceful people produced from peaceful families will mean peaceful societies. It will even have serious economic benefits, as the cost to society and the taxpayer for dealing with the problems of dysfunctional families is astronomical. An expert on the subject, Bob Rowthorn, Professor of Economics at Cambridge University, has said that with one in three children expected to experience parental divorce or separation, the potential cost to the Exchequer runs into billions of pounds. “The long-term cost of subsidising family break-up is unsustainable,” he said. “It is time to switch resources towards a system that encourages and supports two-parent families to ensure their survival.” That system is Krishna consciousness. Sadly the good judge did not recommend spirituality as a solution, but this is surely the only way to stabilise our families and society. It is, as Prabhupada said, simple, and furthermore it costs nothing at all beyond a little investment of time. Why not give it a try in your family?

Preaching Krsna in Muslim Pakistan By Deena Bandhu Dasa <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p> Image: Sarvabhauma Dasa Editor's Note: In light of the recent political upheaval in Pakistan following the tragic assasination of former Prime Minister, Benazir Bhutto, we felt that this report of Krishna conscious outreach in that country was especially significant and of interest to IN readers. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> ISKCON devotee, Sarvabhauma Dasa, just returned from a very successful preaching tour of Pakistan. Usually little is reported about this type of outreach, but due to the nature of this tour, it was highly publicized in the secular media and closely monitored by the authorities in Pakistan.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Previously, Sarvabhauma was living in Pakistan and was regularly invited along with other ISKCON devotees to speak at the ashram of a famous saint. Now that saint is no more, but his son, Sant Yudhisthir Lal, has established an ashram in Raipur, India. Lal has continued to invite Sarvabhauma and the ISKCON devotees to speak on the "Bhagavad Gita" to his congregation. Their relationship has continued for almost 25 years.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Sant Yudhisthir Lal was taking a pilgrimage tour group to Pakistan for the opening of the first Krishna Temple in Pakistan since Partition. So he invited Sarvabhauma to join the group for their Shadani Tirtha Yatra Tour in the Scinda region, especially for the historic temple opening in Ghotki, Scinda.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> There were 74 pilgrims headed by the Sant and they left by train on the 22nd of October for Pakistan. They travelled under a special Pilgrimage Protocol agreement between India and Pakistan.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> At the Wagha Border they were received by Government officials from the Evacu Trust Board, a body in Pakistan headed by Saheed Ragab Ali, that oversees all Hindu Temples. Many media representatives were present along with hundreds of Hindu devotees. The Sant and Sarvabhauma were garlanded and the media interviewed them both. Prasad was then taken by all the pilgrims in a pandal (palaquin) arranged at the train platform itself.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Without any of the ordinary customs and immigration botherations the group boarded the train for Lahore, reaching there on the sacred evening of Ekadasi. A satsang, devotional program, was held that evening in the Sikh Gurudwara in Lahore, Pakistan.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Early the next morning, the pilgrims boarded a train to their next destination. That night, they began the first of a 3 day event at the Shadani Darbar, where a huge pandal tent was filled with 3-4 thousand people each evening. Nightly Sarvabhauma spoke on the Bhagavad Gita and many ISKCON devotees from the nearby town of Larkhana performed kirtan, providing an experience of musical meditation for all.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Next the troupe traveling by vehicles, to three different towns. Programs were held along the way with thousands of people receiving them and taking part in the kirtans. For our security, and likely their own intelligence, the government had hundreds of agents present, and taking videos and still photographs. Surprisingly, many of these agents told Sarvabhuama that they appreciated things that he said. In this way, his words and the chanting of the Hare Krishna mantra went beyond just the people and places where we were, having a positive impact on even government officers.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Reaching Ghotki, the site of the new temple, the group found people from 40 towns across Scinda gathered with many important saints to witness the establishment of the first Krishna Temple to be built in Pakistan after Partition.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> In his address, Sarvabhauma explained that the establishing a temple is like opening a hospital for treating the covered, or perverted, consciousness of the each individual, to help bring them to God, or Krishna Consciousness.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> "This temple is not ordinary," Sarvabhauma explained. "It is the embasssy of the spiritual world."<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> He concluded by noting that this unique event had brought not only Hindus, but also Muslims together. This is the proof, he said, that God, or Krishna in the Sanskrit language, is the uniting force to bring all people together.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> The next morning, the troupe reached a small island in the River Indus where that was home to an ashram called Sadhu Bela, that also housed a beautiful of diorama of Radha-Krishna's swing festival, or Jhulan Yatra.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Sarvabhauma was sitting in the program held there with the head of the Evacu Board, a retired military leader, General Zulifqar. He was born in Rohtak, Haryana, India, but had moved to Pakistan at the time of Partition. The General was very excited when Sarvabhauma said that he had been leading programs in Rohtak the week before the pilgrimage.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> The General asked, "Ganga and Yamuna are sacred rivers for the Hindus, what about the Sindhu?" Then Sarvabhuama chanted the mantra where it is mentioned that the Sindhu river is also sacred, and the General was delighted to learn it so in the Vedic scriptures.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> The programs were broadcast on TV, radio, and in the newspapers, so many old friends watching the programs began to call Sarvabhauma, inviting him for programs in their homes and temples in Karachi and other cities, as he has done in the past.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Last year, for example, Sarvabhauma led an 18-day program, concentrating on one chapter of Bhagavad-Gita a day, and concluding with a pandal with that attracted 3,000 people. It was held in the posh Clifton area of Karachi, and attended by the many Hindu industrialists and professionals.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Many commented they were impressd to hear the Bhagavad Gita so clearly explained as Sarvabhauma was doing from the "Bhagavad Gita As It Is", by ISKCON's founder-acarya, Srila Prabhupada.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Sarvabhauma explained to these "vips" that his special pilgrimage visa was up in a few days. But since they were very influential persons, within a day, they got arranged to have his visa extended up to four months, something considered practically impossible to do.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> At the train station when Sarvabhauma was seeing off the Sant and his devotees, two agents approached him, wanting to know why he wasn't on the train. They had been observing the whole pilgrimage from the beginning so they recognized him. He informed them that he had received an extension.<o:p></o:p> They said they would check out his papers, and meet him where he was staying the next day.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> When the government agents arrived, they apologized, yet told him they had orders for him to immediately proceed to Lahore where he would be sent across the border by foot. However, when they examined all his papers, they saw that he indeed had an extension.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Then the men told Sarvabhauma that they they had been assigned to watch over the pilgrimage, and while doing so, they had come to appreciated his talks.<o:p></o:p> They were surprised, they said, that the programs would go up to 2 AM almost every day, and that they themselves couldn't keep up with the schedule! The officers then took photo copies of Sarva's papers and sent them off to Lahore.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> In Karachi, Sarvabhauma continued his preaching, in different local homes, with four days of programs on another sacred text, the Srimad Bhagavatam. On the 5th day, a large pandal program was held at Kunja Bihari Temple, the largest temple in Karachi.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Later Sarvabhauma travelled and led programs with local devotees in Hyderbad, Mirpurkas, Shukkar, Mithi (BP), Panoquil, Mirpurmatelo, and his hometown of Rohri. People were very excited to participate in Krishna Conscious events in those locations, and Sarvabhauma reported that although he wore only devotional dress throughout his pilgrimage, he experienced absolutely no inconvenience, or harrassment.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p>