Ashvatama

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Yes he is, remember the worst punishment for murdering innocent sleeping children is actually no punishment but rather disowned, shunned and ignored by all, even by the Lord of death Yamaraj!! And forced to live in the same body and wonder the earth for thousands of years even when it is greatly decayed. However even Ashvatama's fate, even though it appears to be eternal, is also only TEMPORARY IN THE FACE OF MATERIAL TIME. All karma good and bad, eventally burns out and fades - there is no such thing as 'eternal damnation' or 'eternal Heaven' in the material creation of Maha-Vishnu. EVERYTHING HERE IN THE MAHAT TATTVA IS PERISHABLE. Hare Krsna!

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Patita pavana Sri Caitanya

Good advice.

Wow, this goes straight to the heart.

Krsna prabhu should understand this, in simple language, get off the mental platform and stop seeing the material body as the self, and the material bodies of others as their self. You can be the best cook in the world, but we will NEVER advance until we understand this and the humble words of theist maharaj. :D :D

<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Well written, yeah you are right, the future IS the children but they neglected that years ago and put more emphasis on Temple building. Anyway, it appears that now the lessons of emotional, psychological, physical and sexual misconduct has been well documented and understood and valuable lessons learnt, its time to re-establish Gurukula to the age of 18 again, especially in the States. And some how or other, in a devotionally fun kind of way, as you say, and keep them out of the mundane Colleges and Universities that Prabhupada called slaughter houses. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> At present they attend primary school at the Gurukula, then from that atmosphere are place in karmi colleges. But I suppose they've got to face the 'real' world eventually, as we see now, the great majority do not stay on and become the Brahmacaris and Brahmatarines we 'imagined' they would become back in the eighties when we had all these kids. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> In fact, unfortunately, most cannot adjust to the karmi world and struggle in their adult life. This is because they are cut off for so long with out any reference to the outside world, when they do go out there, it is a severe cultural shock. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> They find themselves in a very, very small minority of believers and the sheer 'numbers' of meat eating karmis is over whelming that to fit in, many conform to the to the karmi life style, some even start eating meat.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Someone should write a thesis on this because were I live, once the kids in ISKCON reach 14 or 15, you never see them. WHY is this happening? <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> For example, in our area, we had about 90 Gurukulis. Out of them, 15 are regulars to the Temple.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> If you treat people with kindness, love and affection without abuse of any kind, instead of trying to 'forcibly' program them, then it may work<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> But once again, we were brought up in a Christian society and rejected that due to hypocrisy - I suppose they are no different

He is not wearing neck beads, probably not, he probably treats 'Hare Krsna' like we treated christianity when we were growing up. My parents were Sunday school teachers, it never stopped me becoming a serial killer in the 'movies'

This is a REAL genuin Guru

Quote:theist <table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td style="border: 1px solid rgb(102, 102, 102); padding-right: 3ex; padding-left: 3ex;" bgcolor="#e0e0e0">Me—the distressed</td></tr></tbody></table> <!-- END TEMPLATE: bbcode_quote -->What a nice realization theist, its all a test. Quote:theist <table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td style="border: 1px solid rgb(102, 102, 102); padding-right: 3ex; padding-left: 3ex;" bgcolor="#e0e0e0">Who among us has achieved pure bhakti? It is not enough to have taken in the mere concept of pure bhakti. Most of us are really looking for libertation and are still doing business with Krishna on subtle levels hoping for some result for our 'service' so why should we feel superior to the other self motivated souls turning to the Lord? By the grace of these Indian theists we have been given some wonderful knowledge to share but we must share it intelligently and gently which makes it much easier for others to accept. This means we must be willing to acknowledge their search for God as the wonderful thing it is. These are a few of the thoughts that come to me as I try to shed my deeply embedded habit of arguing concepts of God with other's concepts of God. Such a useless waste of time. I need a change badly. I need to grow and to learn to appreciate God within others and serve Him there. </td></tr></tbody></table> So do I, only if you new how fallen I am and how I always see the external body and NEVER Krsna accompaning the jiva soul. And many Temples devotees are the same, they ignore people. I get more wisdom from reading the above than putting up with Devamrita's childish mundane puffed-up disciples at the Temple. I will NO longer give anymore donations to the Temple. <!-- end vEntry --> Devamrita wearing christian Monk robes, not that there is anything wrong with that, that is, if your a christian Yeah, I know, I should see Krsna in the the heart but so should they <table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td style="border: 1px solid rgb(102, 102, 102); padding-right: 3ex; padding-left: 3ex;" bgcolor="#e0e0e0">Of course we have learned the concept that there is a life beyond piety which is based on selfless love and that pure bhakti is the goal but we should never look down on those who pray to God to provided food or shelter for themselves or even those who pray to become rich or healed of some horrid disease state. </td></tr></tbody></table>

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