brajeshwara das

What is the context of this quote?

As long as it is about Sada Siva, it is fine. This is in the Spiritual Discussions forum (not Krishna Talk) so you are totally free to express your understandings, no problem I wouldn't expect anything else.

I would like to know more about Sada Siva, can anyone share what they know? All Glories to Lord Shiva!

Couldn't this be like ever-increasing ecstasy? Infinite jivas infinitely expanding the rasa for the Lord's satisfaction? All happening outside the bounds of material time? Acintya surely.

I think any marriage should be based on affection. My understanding is service is also dependent on affection, so unless this exists between the couple how can they successfully serve together? Somtimes maybe this is the missing element.

Again, you selectively bold eroticism, that's my contention really. Anyhow, do as you wish.

Sure, suspending judgment and not being attached to the mundane is the whole point, huh? But we are and that's why we should be careful. I dunno.

Yes, I did. You think I am inconsistent with that? How?

Conjugal as used by Srila Sridhar Maharaj means Union. I understand what you say above no problem, it can be seen as improper if you think of marriage. But to say erotic I don't feel is proper in our situations because the purity to understand the difference isn't present, at least within me and in a public forum with other neophytes wandering around. These confidential pastimes should be addressed carefully, and you have selectively bolded 'erotic' which is your own emphasis and in your own words. I do not believe I have heard 'erotic' used by my Guru varga, though I am not as well read as you. I also like Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Prabhupada's use of 'amourous'. That seems fitting and respectful to me. I am also not of the stamp of those that wish to impose 'mundane morality' onto the Divine lilas, I just wish to treat Them with respect and acknowledge my own position as impure to the point I may gravely misunderstand if I take them the wrong way. The right dose of medicine taken under the supervision of a qualified doctor will cure you, the wrong dose self-prescribed and misused can be your demise. And even if a qualified doctor prescribes, but you misuse, you can be greatly harmed.

Yes, who is this Christian Vaisnava that has so mercifully entered into our association? Jaya Gurudeva! HerServant, do you go to mass regularly and if so where? Do you know many Christians that share your insights? I very much appreciate your realizations and I wish my parents had your type of association. What a great mercy that would be. They are good and open minded for the most part but you are giving something I never found in their church.

Yes, but the very definition or erotic involves sex: Of or concerning sexual love and desire; amatory. Tending to arouse sexual desire. Dominated by sexual love or desire. Madhurya is nectarine. I prefer that term. Anyway, not everyone here is so highly developed (me especially) and specifically the newcomers here may get fully the wrong idea if we use terms that can be so easily misinterpreted.

Ah, he must be an exalted Vaisnava, you are such a sweet devotee and there must be a cause All Glories to your spiritual master! Funny thing is now I am finding there are Gurus younger than me! Of course I'm not this body etc......

I know this is semantics, but can we forgo calling Radha-Krishna lila 'erotic'? This is a very high thing and I don't think the term is appropriate. Srila Sridhar Maharaj used the the term 'conjugal', to join. Union. 'Erotic' has overtones that can be severly misunderstood and is a dangerous way to talk about Srimati Radharani and Krishna's intimate pastimes. Sorry if I'm full of nonsense.

Hey Bija Prabhu, who is your Gurudeva if you don't mind me asking?

It looks like a winner for my wife, thanks!

I have the DVD great film!

I personally think it unwise to post about madhurya rasa on the internet among neophytes. I can only assume you are also a neophyte too since you are even posting this, so please stop and be careful going forward. Most of our understandings of erotic sentiments are purely mundane and offensive to try and discuss or think about in regards to the Lord. I would dig up the appropriate shastric reference but I don't believe there is a need. It should be common sense. No offense intended anadi, I'm not against you and it is said in a sincere attempt to be helpful.

Just to be clear and accurate: Translated with purports. Veda Vyasa and Krishnadas Kaviraja Goswami are the authors respectively.

Best to just try and be engaged in service and go wherever the Lord wants you to go IMO.

Bhakti Lalita Devi is a sadhu. She has been of great assistance to me and has always been a fountain of mercy to me personally over the years. We should be careful when commenting about such people, as we don't know who exactly we may be dealing with.

Hari Hari!

It is all very well and good to try and institute daiva-varnashrama dharma as Srila Swami Maharaj Prabhupada has said, but this insistence on eating meat I feel is a huge leap. Why is the necessity? Srila Swami Maharaj also said 6 months before taking 1st initiation, 6 more months before 2nd. The meat eating may have been for that duration, until they get the intelligence to give it up, take initiation. There just simply isn't any proof that Srila Swami Maharaj authorized meat eating for initiated disciples. I cannot accept someone in the first wave and a preacher of the movement that eats meat. I cannot take them seriously with that perspective. If this concession is for people lacking in intelligence then how can I listen to your preaching? The thing is you trust your understanding of Srila Swami Maharaj's instructions. What if you misunderstand? ultimately you are trusting your own mind. This is true for all of us. We should be careful when saying' all I have is coming from my guru' until we have no anarthas that color our vision and our understanding of Guru's orders. Personally I find this kind of statement that of a rascal. Own your own misunderstanding, assume you have misunderstandings, don't pin them on Guru. We should always seek the council of higher Vaisnavas, have you done this on this point? You say that you look for hard evidence but I disagree that the evidence is hard enough to take such a leap to eating meat. Everything else about daiva-varnashrama dharma I can support, but this is a deal-breaker for me. I sincerely feel you don't have permission to do so. You have one quote mentioning meat eating, and one that supports different rules for different varnas. But nothing that says an initiated disciple has different regulations. In a larger krishna-conscious society not everyone may take initiation, at least not immediately. Look at the Indian community's participation in our movement. This is certainly true. Faith needs time to develop and people need to be ready to make that commitment. More evidence exists for my position that initiates follow the four regs and uninitiated community members (not yet officially devotees so truly sudras etc) have some leeway until initiation. Anyhow, if you don't eat meat and don't preach eating meat you are in a safe position and not at risk of misconstruing Srila Swami Maharaj's orders. Go ahead and preach daiva-varnashrama dharma, along with uninitiated sudras eating meat on every dark-moon night, as long as it was hunted by them among a population of animals causing mischief (that's the rules, right?) I have no issue with that. If you are successful and can get former Burger King customers to accept some higher position then how could that not be a good thing? If you do preach initiated disciples can eat meat and you are wrong, then not only your spiritual life has been harmed but also those that follow you will be affected. Are you absolutely, completely sure that you understand Srila Swami Maharaj's will on this? Are you sure you are sure?

'Steal' something from him maybe.

He hit you today because you bit him yesterday.

Ah, ok, so how should we take the subsequent translations? Or even for that matter should we?