Murali_Mohan_das

I have searched ten thousand sites to a depth of fifty feet from the deserts of Egypt to the Mayan ruins. I therefore conclude that there is no such thing as a white bear.

This pretty much says it all, doesn't it?

Yes Kalki will appear

Kalki will appear *if* and *when* He feels like it.

He isn't bound by any rules or timetables. He could come tomorrow if He wishes.

Yes, but what is the most *appropriate* method of meditation and yoga for this age?

Sriman Mahaprabhu recommends chanting the Hare Krishna mahamantra as the best meditation for this age. To the extent that purely chanting the Holy Names "yokes" us to the Divine, it is also the best yoga (though Hatha Yoga certainly has physical benefits).

I am impressed with your conclusion.........the authors of BG ,Sb vedas ,upanishads etc must be ashamed......:P:P

Those works are not summaries of anybody's beliefs, they are somewhat detailed descriptions of life, the Universe, and everything.

Sorry, but I do not know that one. Best of luck in finding it!!

Can anyone help me find a song called "Emon ki kore?"

 

I do not know who it is composed by, but I think it is probably Bhaktivinoda Thakura.

 

Guruvani prabhuji? Murali Mohan prabhuji? Theist prabhuji? Mahak prabhuji? And everyone else? Can someone find this please......

 

PS- Not emon durmati but emon ki kore

If you can't summarize what you believe in a sentence or two, then you're probably hopelessly confused.

why bother with advaita......besides it is quite boring .....atleast i find it boring ........and besides i never claimed to be a follower of advaita......The difference between my beliefs and vaishnava beliefs is that vaishnavas belive that their philosophy is absolutely correct ..while i think it is "relatively" correct ...... but then the same applies to advaita and the buddhist philosophies which i believe are relatively correct ......

 

 

and why should anyone be surprised ...dont the vaishnava acharyas agree that the path of liberation for advaitans is a valid one ...though they believe that the path of personal bhakti is a superior one....... i too beleive that personal bhakti is superior to path of jnana ........

 

why dont you guys click on "---" and go through my other posts to understand what i believe in .......

Yes exactly. Advaita's preaching and teaching is a walking contradiction.

So is achintya-bedAbedha.

The Gaudiya Vaishnavas aren't advaita, but they also aren't dvaita.

As long as one recognizes the reality of the situation perhaps it would be possible on another level to wonder if this is part of Srila Prabhupada's lila to demonstrate what happens when one imitates a great acarya, as a warning to others. So in that sense your thought is not really a bad one, it just needs to be explained in more detail.

 

I have a very tenuous grasp on reality--at best.

Still, *I* certainly take SDG's "fall" as a warning regarding false pride!!

Didn't you remind us not too long ago that, despite their prowess, the Kshatriya defers to the humble Brahmana for guidance? Would the Kshatriya presume to lecture the Brahmana on etiquette?

It is also a question of how we see our role in this world. What service does Krsna want me to perform in my life? This is Arjuna's question in the Gita. My primary concern is with the service, here and now. I may be aspiring to become a cow in Goloka, but right now Krsna has some service for me to do - I know that for a fact. I just have to become very surrendered and He makes me do things for Him. As I learn to surrender all the time, I am becoming purified and one day I will be ready to achieve the position I am aspiring for. And you know what? Sometimes our aspirations change, and instead of aspiring to be a cow in Goloka we end up aspiring to be a cowherd boy. So it is safer to just concentrate on our service here and now, just like Arjuna did at the end of his talk with Krsna. Work now, samadhi later...

Yes, he would never wish for rasabhasa. This is why Sri Swarupa Damodara always screened written offerings given to Mahaprabhu, so He would not have his mood disturbed by rasabhasa and apasiddhanta.

Perhaps Sriman Mahaprabhu would never wish for rasabhasa. After all, He is the Lord in the guise of His perfect devotee.

To the extent that not a blade of grass moves without the will of the Lord, the Lord must have wished SDG to do what he did.

Thanks so much Murali Mohan, you mean he became your Godbrother, this is good news!

Not exactly. He remains a diksha disciple of Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada and still gives all honor to his Gurudev.

He took sannyas from Srila Gurudev and preaches in praise of and on behalf of all of his gurus to appreciative audiences worldwide.

Sripad Bhakti Premik Siddhanti Maharaja (formerly Chidananda Brahmachari) pictured on our right (to the left of Sripad Giri Maharaja and Sripad Aranya Maharaja):

You mean Kreeshna. I hear that in some My Sweet Lords.

Not to mention "Harry Kirchner", Paul McCartney's joking rendition of the Holy Name.

I think that in this world we must act and think the way we truly are, not the way we want to be.

 

I am definitely no gopi, so I am not even trying to think or act like one. I am an aspiring Vaishnava in a kshatriya body so I try to think and act like one - and even to act properly on that level is a struggle for me sometimes.

It's not a question of imitation. It's a question of which ideal we reverently hold upon our heads.

Spoken like a true ksatriya.

I have no desire to follow the examples of the ksatriyas, though. The example of the Gopis has been held up to me as the highest to which I can aspire (to serve).

Even though Sri Krishna did them greivous injury by leaving them and living like a King in Dwaraka, the Gopis had no animosity towards Him, nor could they even conceive of having any animosity towards Him. They would not dream of correcting Him (except, perhaps, to playfully tease Him).

I posted this on Dandavats:

 

While the humble sages, by virtue of true knowledge, see with equal vision a learned and gentle brahmana, a cow, an elephant, a dog and a dog-eater, such elevated vision is not recommended for the kshatriyas or administrators of day to day affairs of society. Somebody in society must pay close attention to mundane law and order, or the humble sages will be eaten alive by the ever present disciples of Kali.

Look at the story of brahmana’s lost children in Krsna Book for clues (Chapter 89). It is natural to demand protection from the ruling authority, and yes, such a person in position of authority must be held responsible for what happens on their watch. The brahmana in this story was blaming the kings of Dwaraka for his misfortune, and the kings did not offer him some philosophical words of consolation, but actually provided a practical solution to his problems.

Maybe the kings and brahmanas of today need to re-read this story and try to see also the practical lessons it contains.

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It is not Vaishnava aparadha if you criticize a sannyasi for falling down with a woman, or a temple president for failing to protect devotees from exploitation or abuse. There needs to be some social pressure so that people will act properly. Just like with raising children. Discipline and pressure are part of the education process. The is no aparadha to the dirty pot if you call it "dirty". Aparadha is when you find fault with a clean pot out of envy.

"Rupanuga", "raganuga". Can you explain the difference?

So, are you saying the Lord cannot do as He wishes, or that there are certain things which He would never wish?

Do you really think that a Rupanuga acarya who internally conceives themselves as a very small girl in Vraja serving the Divine Couple under Sri Rupa Manjari would be asked by the Lord to do what you have said? If someone has no idea of this Rupanuga conception then I could see them coming to such an idea. After all it could be conceived that we are asking the Lord of the Heart to direct us only to serve in this world, some sort of higher good. But even in this world the Rupanugas who are in the vaidhi stage are trying to serve Mahaprabhu and Sri Rupa through the line of gurus coming from them. Simultaneously they are keeping the internal Rupanuga conception above their heads. Such an example and precept was surely manifested in a pristine way by Srila Sridhar Maharaj and everyone who has any respect or fondness for him will try to avoid real deviations from such a line of thought. And trust me, at least on this, that what you said is in fact such a deviation and should be purified out of our mental systems at once. I have no doubt about this at all.

BTW

Also remember that Sri Nityananda Prabhu is Visnu tattva and is known as Avadhuta. He is guru but only up to madhurya rasa so He is not Rupanuga.

Alex, I find a lot more inspiration and encouragement in your personal testimonial than in anything you might quote from PL.

Way to tell it like it is!!!

Clear as mud, er, pure water.

This is where PL falls short. No, this is not just falling short, this is just bad philosophy, which puts PL squarely in the apasiddhanta category along with ritvik and Iskcon rubber stamping guru. Thank you for such a clear example.

Prominent Link is just another version of legislating faith. Sraddha is the essence of the relationship with guru; siksa or diksa. You know there is something wrong when ritvik people come on a mission to mold your faith, to bend your faith, to convince you to share their faith - that Srila Prabhupada is the only diksa guru from 1977 on. There is also something wrong with an ecclesiastical body "authorizing" someone to be guru or denying someone of the ability to be guru. Similarly, there is something profoundly wrong with Dhira Govinda or anybody else intruding on a person's sacred faith and either subtley (by saying it is preferable) or grossly (mandating) that Srila Prabhupada is and should be their primary guru. Open to the experience of vaishnavas?? Bull! Open to the experience of vaishnavas means open to their heart, their faith, the faith that moves them. Openness to that faith manifests as an open heart, willing to hear, respect and be moved, maybe even influenced(!) by the beautiful way that svarupa shakti has manifested in their lives. How nice. Just leave it alone, and honor it!

73-11-25. Letter: Cidananda

"Just like I have written in the first publications of Srimad-Bhagavatam, "THE SPIRITUAL MASTER LIVES FOREVER BY HIS DIVINE INSTRUCTION AND THE DISCIPLE LIVES WITH HIM.", because I have always served my Guru Maharaja and followed His teachings I am now even never separated from Him. Sometimes Maya may come and try to interfere but we must not falter, we must always follow the chalked out path layed down by the great acharya's and in the end you will see."

Assuming there isn't more than one disciple of Srila Prabhupada named "Cidananda", do you know who/where Cidananda Prabhu is today?

I'll give you a hint: he's serving at the feet of a pure Vaishnava.

Evidently, you have not suffered in life, being alone and without resourses!

The lack of humanity over a Bonefide Swami's fall from grace due to the attraction for your mother [or a Devi] is not something you can reconcile.

May your disciples cling to you rather than channel surf away from you during your dark night of the soul.

Beautiful!!!!!!!

Just read at a Vaishnavi forum that the overall view is that SDG is having lots of sympathizers who say that they feel greatly worried that SDG isn't treated properly and should have some better place to live and people are moved to tears about what SDG has to go through. Yes, this makes sense, "We owe thanks to those who have fallen so as to show the difficulty of the path before us all. "

Such is the beautiful "logic" of the Gopis.

If only we men could be so "foolish".

By my definition of sahajiya, it's sahajiya for me to assume that my attempts at sense gratification are justified because Sri Krishna is enjoying Himself through my senses.

 

To see Sri Krishna as enjoying our offerings to Sri Guru is called humility.

 

If Guru is as good as God (or better than God), then Guru is certainly not bound by any rules and regulations, regardless of their formal adherence to such rules and regulations.

 

I know that thought scares the pants off those with weak faith.

The Lord can do as He pleases. That's just the way things are.

There is something to be said for consistency.

My consistency is something like that of halavah.

But, seriously, how is it inconsistent to say that we should never judge others (regardless of how often I myself fall into that trap)?

Beggar is correct, this is the classic foundation of sahajism.

By my definition of sahajiya, it's sahajiya for me to assume that my attempts at sense gratification are justified because Sri Krishna is enjoying Himself through my senses.

To see Sri Krishna as enjoying our offerings to Sri Guru is called humility.

If Guru is as good as God (or better than God), then Guru is certainly not bound by any rules and regulations, regardless of their formal adherence to such rules and regulations.

I know that thought scares the pants off those with weak faith.

I will start again reading the Christian Books

I just downloaded the Gutenberg (free) ebook of St. Augustine's "Confessions" today. I want to reread it (having read it in college) for the purpose of presenting some of Augustine's conclusions in some discussions I've been having with some Christians.

It's not such a big deal to me. I'll leave it at my speculation.

However, since anything is possible, I'd rather not judge anybody else based on my unconsciously absorbed Victorian morals.

If Sri Nityananda (or one of his shaktyavesa avataras) walks out of a bar with a woman on one arm and a bottle of wine in the other, surely he is engaged in preaching.

You don't have answers for it, but why don't you think that anybody does?

If nobody had answers for it then there would no reason to assume that guru tattva actually exists, but rather it would be a myth. Srila Sridhar Maharaj, tells the story of how one Sahajiya man passed on and the Sahajiya group members were together eulogizing him. The main person was giving a speech where he was lamenting that this recently deceased gentleman did not have the opportunity to experience the "parakiya rasa" before the end of his life. Suddenly one lady in the audience remarked, "oh but he actually has, and I can attest to that."

One of Prabhupada's disciples who was a big Sanskrit pundit working on Prabhupada's books left ISKCON near the end of Prabhupada's lila and joined Lalita Prasada. Eventually he left that line also but continued his scholarship and even did some work for Tripurari Maharaj. Now this person claims to be a real Sahajiya and his wife left him when she found out that he was having "parakiya rasa" with a female disciple (of his). So don't think that this doesn't go on. And the explanation that he gave was that Krsna was enjoying this lady through him. So this idea is pukka first class Sahajiyaism and is thoroughly rejected by the Gaudiya Matha, it's off-shoots and the traditional Gaudiya Parivars that it derives from. If you think that I'm lying to you then go ask someone whose opinion you respect or better yet ask your gurudeva.