Murali_Mohan_das

Hey!! This is supposed to be one of those serious threads!! Cut out the joking!

The worst depression of my life came shortly after I felt I had attained some mystic potencies. Beware indeed!!

Yes, each to their own cup of vegetarian dog chow.

Woof!! Woof!! [scratches behind the ear; licks Beggar's hand]

At one point, Prabhu describes how, when he is engaged in dialog with "New Age" type folks, their Universalist tendencies irk him.

I have to confess that I share many of those Universalist tendencies. I don't feel that Gaudiya Vaishnavism is inherently "better" than any other tradition, though, it can certainly be argued that the Gaudiya conception is the most fully-fledged theistic conception.

I've met people that just don't seem to be able to accept a personal God (at least not yet). I see no reason why they ought not to be content with practicing their Buddhism.

For me, personally, it is as question of taste. I find the most flavor and sweetness in the company of the Vaishnavas. That is my criterion for discernment.

I've been thinking about the Lord's Prayer lately. I'm realizing that it's more of an acknowledgement or reminder regarding the nature of reality than an actual petition.

The Lord's Will *is* done regardless of whether we are willing instruments of Divine Will. The Lord *does* give us our daily bread (or not) regardless of whether we acknowledge Him as the source.

Really? You know of a lot of homeless former ISKCON devotees?

Could be they knew already that they're better off and wouldn't end like lots of rank&file devotees who surrendered everything up to completion of one's university degree, heirship etc. to make ISKCON what it is today, but ended up at Southern California Shanty Town also known as "Tent City".

Very interesting!

I let my kids "eat dirt", but maybe I ought to get a cow to help ensure their health. Of course, I need a place to keep the cow first.

This reminds me of a joke:

Knock, Knock.

Who's there.

Knock, Knock.

Who's there.

Knock, Knock.

Who's there.

Knock, Knock.

Who's there.

Phillip Glass

***

But seriously. This looks like an interesting essay. Of course, I'll have to run to my dictionary to look up "teleology" (I've looked it up before, but I still can't remember what it means).

Maybe I'll come back to this and try to slog through it.

Is there an "executive summary"?

A relatively recent college graduate, Kamal Krishna Prabhu began, during his college years, increasingly dedicating his life to serving Srila Gurudev and studying and distributing Krishna Consciousness. He is now a full-time resident of the Seva Ashram, engaged in service, study, and spiritual practice.

In this discourse (presented in two parts due to an equipment "crash"), Prabhu discusses how, often, Sri Guru brings us somewhere other than what our preconceived notions of Krishna Consciousness were.

Part 1, Embedded:

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Link:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-165185734610225877&hl=en

Part 2, Embedded:

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Link:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3290496284228353207&hl=en

Great discussion!

As has been pointed out, plants are very sensitive as well. Of course, the equipment used to detect plant sensitivity is very sensitive equipment. It is a safe assumption (but an assumption, nonetheless) that, not possessing a nervous system, plants do not feel pain in the same manner that humans and other animals do.

Still, unless we are offering bhoga to the Lord and He is accepting our offering, we are still accruing karma when we kill plants to eat them.

The U.S. investment in biofuel production in response to runaway oil prices is spiraling out of control, threatening to draw grain away from the production of beef, pork, poultry, milk and eggs.

This a key point. By far, most of the grain in the U.S. goes to feed livestock--not people. There are tremendous inefficiencies involved in meat production (according to John Robbins' research, 90% of the protein, 99% of the carbohydrates, and 100% of the fiber from the feed grain are lost when cycling it through livestock).

If everybody became vegan, or at least vegetarian, there would be a lot more grain both to feed people and to make into fuel.

A. So you don't chant your rounds?

B. Nope, I don't want to shoot blanks. I just do service.

I chanted my rounds yesterday (well, the bare minimum). It was the first time in a few weeks. Of course, most of the time my mind was wandering.

It is his bounden duty to op-pose any person who tries to deceive and harm himself or other people by misrepresent-ing the truth either due to malice or genuine misunderstanding. This will be possible if the chanter of kirtana is always prepared to sub-mit to be trodden on by thoughtless people if any discomfort to himself will enable him to do good to his persecutors by chanting the truth in the most unambiguous manner.

So much for "Don't Tread on Me"!!

Unlike you, I don't have to care about your motives. The bottom line is that your Jesus theories are just "mental speculation" with not even a hint of evidence to support them. No amount of crying is going to change that, and if you had even a modicum of intellectual honesty, you would stop trying.

Ruff!!! Ruffff!!! Scratch, scratch. Sniff butt.

Do you also claim that Srila Prabhupada was a mental speculator?

It's a shame you are not more taken by Vaishnavism, raghu. It's a shame you act like just another gunda.

Thanks for the thoughtful and informative replies to my question.

Truly, all credit and thanks are due to Sri Guru for whatever fortune we receive and whatever service we are able to perform.

Jai Gurudev!!

giving sannyasa to young westerners eager for fame and adoration was a comedy or a tragedy in your book?

I wasn't referring to the Srila Prabhupada giving sannyasa to young men issue, though I've stated my view (Srila Prabhupada as general taking losses in battle to further the campaign) more than once.

I was referring to GBC's theological position papers (like *their* criteria for taking sannyas) that I've seen quoted here on Audarya (usually by Suchandra). In their attempt to be equivocal yet authoritative, they come across as comical.

Thanks, Beggar, for the scriptural citation!!

Great discussion!

All I have to add is that it's dangerous, isn't it, to think oneself "senior" to anybody, either by years of experience or qualification?

A Vaishnava, so I am told, will never take personal offense, though they might come to the defense of another Vaishnava who is being attacked.

Unfortunately, I stopped the video recording a bit prematurely, since a Godbrother subsequently asked Maharaja the classic question: I'm trying to follow this spiritual path and yet I'm still plagued by so many doubts and sufferings, what does this mean?

In reply, Maharaja told of the incident where some of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur's disciples asked him the same question, saying, "We feel we are making no progress". Saraswati Thakur replied, "None at all? That is actually very good. If you had felt that you had made some progress, I would be concerned."

hey murali, awesome song, great job. captured the vibe completely. Kinda reminds me of your local reggae band from berekeley, the twinkile brothers.

 

I knew the song is in good hands. I havent been avoiding the forums, my computer guy has been closed for awhile.

 

Again, good work. feel free with all my lyrics if ya like.

 

yo bro, mahaksadasa

I'm glad you approve, Prabhu. It was a lot of fun to do. The words, and your sincerity, inspired me.

I'll have to check out the twinkile brothers.

However, I might keep working on Fury of Puri. The flute player is coming over tonight to work on our band's demo, so I might ask her to lay down some flute on Fury of Puri. Also, I'd like to try playing some live drums to it. I don't want to overdo it, but...

Hmmmm...no Mahaksa Prabhu? Perhaps you're avoiding the forums (as I should be doing).

What was Srila Prabhupada's mood? Did *he* take credit for his surrender and is enormous preaching success?

Defeat is not a question of popularity. After the writings of Sri Ananda Tirtha there is hardly anything new or original that need be brought up to refute Advaita. However, that does not mean that people will not flock to Advaita if their own individual biases lead them in that direction. From Srimad Acharya's standpoint, all these philosophies including Advaita are all eternal - they exist to delude the jiva-atmas who are averse to surrendering to Sri Hari.

 

In Kali Yuga a philosophy can be defeated and still be very popular. People in general don't think very carefully about what they believe but instead follow whatever suits them. Take this forum and iskcon for instance. Do you think these people actually made a comparative study of different Vaishnava Vedanta commentaries before committing themselves to gaudiya vaishnavism? Of course not. They are mostly following whatever they follow for sentimental reasons and don't want to hear any doubts about their beliefs. It is just like that with Advaita also. Blind followers don't grant any tradition credibility.

This is a very insightful comment, raghu.

With regards to simultaneous oneness and differentiation, I like the example of light--it is both a wave and a particle (though some like to argue that it is a third thing exhibiting the poperties of both a wave and a particle--no analogy is perfect).

At least a C average? No degree for me, I suppose.

Very interesting thread!!

I too see the "fallen" gurus as unwitting victims of their own minds as much as victimizers of those who faithfully followed them.

As for checks and balances, those are a good idea with regards to institutional management, but, in the spiritual realm, can lead to comedy (or tragedy), as evidenced by some of the GBC theology by committee. Guru, sadhu, and shastra are the basis for spiritual authority, but it sure helps to have an ultimate arbiter--Sri Guru.