amanpeter

From a recent talk by Srila Narayana Maharaja:

 

"Krsna, the Cupid of cupids, entered Vrndavana near the bank of the Yamuna,

which was full with fragrant flowers. Standing under the shade of a

Vamsivata tree, He played on His flute, and all were attracted. Some of the

gopis had been sleeping, some had been making capatis, and some were

decorating themselves, and at that time this messenger came - the very sweet

and very attractive flute-sound. It came and entered in the houses of the

gopis. Then, it went through the door of their hearts. It forcibly took

their hearts, and they began running towards Krsna.

 

The gopis thought, "Krsna is a very big thief. He is like a dacoit. He has

taken everything and not left us anything. He has taken our hearts. How can

we live? How can we maintain our lives?" As they ran to follow that

flute-sound, they called to Krsna, "You should return our hearts, otherwise

we will continue to follow You." They had no time to tell others that they

were going. They all simply ran to follow Krsna's flute-sound. They wondered

from where this flute-sound was coming, and they said, "O very beautiful,

marvelous Cupid of cupids! You should return our hearts, otherwise how can

we return home? We cannot return now. Without our hearts we can never

return.

 

After that rasa began, and Krsna danced with each gopi. There were lakhs and

lakhs gopis, and Krsna also became lakhs and lakhs. Why? All the gopis had

left their husbands and their chastity. They had given up their houses,

wealth, reputation, shyness, and everything else. In India, a lady cannot

give up these things. She will prefer to die rather than give up her

chastity. This is a special quality in Indian ladies. They can give up

anything, but they would prefer to die than give up their shame. The gopis,

however, left even this, and therefore Krsna wanted to satisfy them all. He

manifested Himself with each gopi simultaneously, attracting them all by

dancing with them in various dance postures. If He did not do so, He would

have been reni, indebted to them. He was obligated to try to satisfy them -

and the scene was very wonderful.

Krsna always tells all the gopis, especially Srimati Radhika, "O, you are My

most beloved." During the rasa dance Radhika saw that, "He is a very cunning

cheater, liar, and debauchee. He just told Me, 'You are most beloved. There

is no one like You.' but now He is dancing with all the gopis - right in

front of Me." She could not tolerate this, and She thus disappeared from the

dance arena.

 

Krsna thought, "If there is no Radhika, there can be no dance. For whom is

this dance, and for whom is this rasa? Krsna therefore pursued Her,

lamenting, "Where has Srimati Radhika gone?" He played on His flute, "O

Radhika, where are You, where are You? I cannot tolerate Your separation."

Somehow He found Her. He decorated Her and begged Her pardon, "I promise I

will not offend You anymore. Be pleased with me. Be merciful to Me." He then

placed His flute and peacock-feathers in Her hands and said, "You are My

master, You can use Me in any way."

 

na paraye 'ham niravadya-samyujam

sva-sadhu-krtyam vibudhayusapi vah

ya mabhajan durjara-geha-srnkhalah

samvrscya tad vah pratiyatu sadhuna

 

["I am not able to repay My debt for your spotless service, even within a

lifetime of Brahma. Your connection with Me is beyond reproach. You have

worshiped Me, cutting off all domestic ties, which are difficult to break.

Therefore please let your own glorious deeds be your compensation." (SB

10.32.22)]

 

Radhika became pacified and satisfied.

 

Later, after Radhika and the other gopis sang Gopi-gita, Krsna returned in

their midst. At that time the gopis, who were also clever - even more so

than Krsna - began to ask Him something. They inquired, "We have heard about

a certain kind of person who loves others only as much as others love him.

He thinks, 'If you love me, I will love you.' Another kind or love and

affection is this: 'Whether or not you love me, I will love you.' There is

also a third type of person. Whether anyone loves him or not, still he does

not love anyone. In this way there are three kinds of persons. O Krsna, in

what category are You? Please explain this to us."

 

The gopis were cleverly creating such an atmosphere that Krsna would admit

whether He was doing prema or not. Having heard their inquiry, Krsna smiled

very slyly and cunningly. He is the guru of the cunning. He said, "Those who

'love for love' are not real lovers or beloveds. They are businessmen. Those

who give some coins to a shopkeeper and take something in return, like rice,

dahl, and so on, are business persons. Theirs is not pure love." Do you

understand? Krsna is saying, "If someone loves a person, and he wants that

the person he loves should also love him in return, he is like a business

person. I am not in this category. Next, regarding the person who, whether

or not someone loves him he loves that other person, this is very good. O

gopis, you are like this. Whether I love you or not, you are giving your

love to me.

 

"This is fatherly or motherly love and affection. A father and mother never

demand any love from their children, and they always support them. Even if

the children are doing any nonsense, as soon as the say, "O mother, O

father!" the parents will forget everything for their sake. This is very

pure, and you are like this. Whether I am loving you or not, you are loving

Me. I am not like that. I am not in that category. Regarding the third type,

I am also not among those who do not love others, whether others love them

or not."

 

Who are they? There are four kinds of persons in this category, and two of

them are those who are atmarama and those who are aptakama. Sri Sukadeva

Gosvami is an example of one in this category. Whether anyone loves him or

not, what does he do? He has no such love because he is always thinking

about the Lord and he is very satisfied in that. He has no time, no other

vision, to notice whether one is loving or not loving." Our love is worldly

love. He is in transcendental love, serving Krsna, and therefore he is

happy. He is called atmarama. Those in the category of aptakama are those

whose desires have all been satisfied. How? By remembering, chanting, and

serving Krsna. Krsna informed the gopis, "I am neither atmarama nor

aptakama."

 

The third and fourth kind in this category are guru-drohi and akrtagya

(ungrateful). If your father and mother and guru-jana (superiors) are

supporting and nourishing you from childhood, but you are not serving them,

you are akrtagya. Never be ungrateful to them. Only in the case where they

are against Krsna and krsna-bhakti can you avoid their service. Otherwise,

you should always serve them. Don't be ungrateful.

 

The guru-drohi is he who, with or without reason, gives sufferings to their

superiors. Don't give any sufferings or problems to your father or mother or

gurudeva - especially gurudeva. Time is very short, so I am telling this in

brief.

 

Krsna told the gopis, "There are many guru-drohis, but I am not among this

category. I am also not atmarama.Why not? You are the Supreme Lord. You

are more than Sukadeva Gosvami.Oh, I am not atmarama because I played on

the flute and called you all. I am not happy without you, and therefore I

am not atmarama. You are My atma, you are My soul. I want to please you and

you want to please Me; so I am not atmarama.

 

"I am also not aptakama, because my desires have not been fulfilled. That is

why I am praying to you, 'Don't be angry with Me.' I am praying to you so

that I can be satisfied. One who is atmarama or aptakama cannot pray like

this. How can you tell Me that I am atmarama or aptakama? In My boyhood I

used to steal butter from here and there, and if My mother was engaged in

her household duties and did not give me all her attention, I used to be

very angry. You know? I once made a hole in the pot of yogurt, and at that

time My mother became very angry with Me and followed Me with a bamboo

stick. So how am I atmarama? I am not.

"I like you, I am attached to you, and that is why I am pacifying you. I am

praying to you, and this shows that I am not atmarama.

 

"You may think that I am a guru-drohi or akrtagya, but I am not. I was

grateful to My mother, and I was grateful to my friends. So I am not among

any of these categories."

 

The gopis then asked, "Then who are You? In what category are You?" Krsna

replied, "Oh, I like you. I want to glorify you throughout the world. You

gopis are my best friends. I will not be able to repay you in lakhs and

lakhs births. I cannot repay you." Then the gopis said, smiling, "You have

repaid us because You have taken shelter at our lotus feet, and You are

saying, 'I am defeated by you.' This is what we wanted."

 

What is this? It is unnatojjvala rasa. The way in which the gopis satisfied

Krsna with their love is called unnatojjvala rasa. This is the highest love,

and it is only in Radhika - in Her mahabhava. It is not in anyone else. The

fraction of Srimati Radhika's mood to please Krsna should be our objective,

otherwise Krsna cannot be fully controlled. Caitanya Mahaprabhu came

especially to give this. The mood of Radhika should not be our object. Our

only goal is to serve those who have this mood - the gopis. This is the mood

of the manjaris. How shall we serve Radhika? We shall attain Her service by

serving Her sakhis like Lalita, Visakha, Rupa Manjari, and others. We want

the mood of Rupa Gosvami internally and externally, as he has explained in

his Vidagda Madhava and Lalita Madhava. You should know that the beauty of

unnatojjvala rasa is the mood of the kinkiris, the manjaris, the

maidservants of Srimati Radhika. This is the highest objective for us. It is

our sadhya.

 

 

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Radhe Radhe ALWAYS Radhe!

 

[This message has been edited by amanpeter (edited 06-02-2001).]

I've found it helpful to hold the dentist's hand mirror up so I can watch what is happening during the drilling. I also request that she explain everything in detail before and during. These enable me to take a more objective view of my body. I rarely use anaesthetic since it has a strongly negative emotional effect on me, so she always has to be careful and also warn me before causing too much pain. I look on this body as a mechanical conveyance that requires regular maintenance inspections, etc. from professionals. The more I can understand technically, the easier it is to accept what is needed and co-operate. I do agree, however, that our position as isolated individuals stuck in deteriorating bodies amidst so many others in an everchanging world is `vewy vewy scawy`. Helps me to turn inside and work internally on the root of the problem. Chanting silently is a BIG help. Sometimes Maha-mantra, sometimes Radhe Radhe, and sometimes simply Jesus. We are never alone, prabhu, and like any child we have a right to feel secure in our parents' love. We shouldn't settle for anything less.

Peter prabhu,

 

You have received the information of the bhajan from Dr.Jaya

who has already informed about the bhajan before the

translation was sent to you.

Please check your past mail.

Here again is the whole web site dedicated to Saint.Mirabai and

the one who created it is Dr. Prayaga Narayan Misra originally

from Allahabad, UP, India, currently settled in Chandler,

Arizona, USA.

 

He is a very respected scholorly devotee, both material and

spiritual. He has provided me the bhajan tape sung beautifully

by the vocal artists, after my ardent repeated requests.

 

He is very dedicated to ACBVSP and currently helping the ISKCON

at Phoenix, AZ.

 

His email address <Wwti@aol.com>

or <pnmisra@hotmail.com>

 

Please get more information about this gentleman at:

 

Dear Friends and Music Loving Devotees of Lord Krishna!

Please visit the webpages of Saint Mirabai and enjoy the Nectar

of Krishna Love!!

 

http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/RightWay/pnmisramira

 

humbly yours,

 

Jaya Sri Radhey!

Originally posted by Maitreya:

The human mouth is a nasty repository of germs, bacteria and creepy things like that.We all know this and all through the day

we must deal with keeping them at bay.

 

Here is a great tip i picked up some time back from my dentist.

 

Add to a small container: a small amount[one days worth]of baking soda, a little salt and then a few drops of hydrogen peroxide, enough to make a paste to brush with.

 

Brush your gums as well as the teeth for four minutes, both inside and outside and any lingering infections will soon be gone.

 

After doing this for just a short time, I have noticed people now tend to wait until they hear what I have to say before walking off.

 

MC

Do you mean diluted drugstore hydrogen peroxide or 35% healthfood store stuff?

 

Originally posted by atma:

I was blessed with the darshan of both Maharajas. Moreover I did have the saintly association of Bhakti Vaibhav Puri Maharaja for few years. I used to go for morning and evening darshan at his temple in Seva Kunja in Vrindavan during Kartika. I met him in Vishakapatnam where he got another temple. During Gour Purnima he cames to Mayapur and his temple is located next to ISKCON BBT. Most of the time he stays in Puri.

He is a very humble vaishnava and his presence always made me feel that I have to improve my character. Like when you're in the presence of a saintly person you feel how fallen you're!

Many times during his darshan we were all in tears because he transmits so many devotional feelings. At the same time is very practical and down to earth.

I was present when a few old Prabhupada's disciples went to him to complaint about ISKCON, and he listened to them and adviced them to reasume their devotional lives.What was the use of criticize if they were not following the principles, or doing any devotional service? Most of them were fallen but because of his association, they are chanting and active in devotional service now.

Once I noticed that he didn't wear socks and was already the beginning of winter. I went to the famous Loi Bazaar and got for him socks, mittens and a swami hat. His look of surprise when I gave him the things, I'll always remember. I was very happy when I went for darshan that evening and he was wearing everything! He gave me the garland that he was wearing and I put it on my neck. I was so happy that I completely forgot that I was stepping in Seva Kunj (is full of monkeys) All of the sudden I see this huge male monkey rushing straight towards me, I kwew that I wasn't carrying any bag or food with me and I was wondering what this monkey wants and in the last second I realized. Just when the monkey jumped at me I took the garland out of my neck and he got it in mid-air! Even the monkeys want B.V. Puri Maharaja's mercy!!

I have many friends who are his disciples and I'll try to get the information that you required.

Beautiful story, prabhu. Thanks for sharing. Peter (valaya)

Originally posted by atma:

I was blessed with the darshan of both Maharajas. Moreover I did have the saintly association of Bhakti Vaibhav Puri Maharaja for few years. I used to go for morning and evening darshan at his temple in Seva Kunja in Vrindavan during Kartika. I met him in Vishakapatnam where he got another temple. During Gour Purnima he cames to Mayapur and his temple is located next to ISKCON BBT. Most of the time he stays in Puri.

He is a very humble vaishnava and his presence always made me feel that I have to improve my character. Like when you're in the presence of a saintly person you feel how fallen you're!

Many times during his darshan we were all in tears because he transmits so many devotional feelings. At the same time is very practical and down to earth.

I was present when a few old Prabhupada's disciples went to him to complaint about ISKCON, and he listened to them and adviced them to reasume their devotional lives.What was the use of criticize if they were not following the principles, or doing any devotional service? Most of them were fallen but because of his association, they are chanting and active in devotional service now.

Once I noticed that he didn't wear socks and was already the beginning of winter. I went to the famous Loi Bazaar and got for him socks, mittens and a swami hat. His look of surprise when I gave him the things, I'll always remember. I was very happy when I went for darshan that evening and he was wearing everything! He gave me the garland that he was wearing and I put it on my neck. I was so happy that I completely forgot that I was stepping in Seva Kunj (is full of monkeys) All of the sudden I see this huge male monkey rushing straight towards me, I kwew that I wasn't carrying any bag or food with me and I was wondering what this monkey wants and in the last second I realized. Just when the monkey jumped at me I took the garland out of my neck and he got it in mid-air! Even the monkeys want B.V. Puri Maharaja's mercy!!

I have many friends who are his disciples and I'll try to get the information that you required.

Beautiful story, prabhu. Thanks for sharing. Peter (valaya)

Just kiddin', Mr. D! Got a little giddy when you mentioned Sri Radha personally intervening like that. I do believe, though, you may just have the entire parampara firmly bound in your heart of hearts...

 

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Radhe Radhe ALWAYS Radhe!

That is one awfully sad `joke`, prabhu.

Originally posted by Maitreya:

Diluted drugstore type.It says recommended for gargle and mouthwash.It is 3%.

 

35%?What is that used for?Same?

 

Living Entity has been after me with Bronners to wash out my mouth for about a year now.But that is another thing.Where is she anyway?

Definitely not a gargle or mouthwash! It'll burn your skin immediately. Can be diluted and used to rinse/soak vegatables and fruits or internally as well. Also to clean kitchen surfaces, etc. Check your local health store for a long list of uses.

 

 

Originally posted by dasanudas:

This is a god point prabhu I 3rd the response.

I was wondering if anyone might know the story of Syamananda prabhu. I vaguely remember hearing Srila Sridhara Maharaj talking once about him being promoted from one rasa to madhura rasa owing to his enthusiastic service mood. Srimati Radharani directly intervened and converted him to Her service. But I can't find the tape anywhere.

The reason I ask is that this statement talking about Uddhava made me wonder if such souls seeing the devotion of the Vraja gopis are drawn to want to serve in such capacity.

Of course they are all complimenting that divine setting in some way as Mahaksa expressing so nicely over on Darma mela but it's a curious point.Any input on this, or should it be thrown to the acharyas?

Gaura hari bol

`Thrown to the acharyas`! That's a good one, prabhu! Have you got a few locked up out back then, mate? As for the personal intervention of Srimati Raharani Herself--WOW! Hip Hip Hooray! Radhe Radhe! Please tell me more.

 

 

 

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Radhe Radhe ALWAYS Radhe!

quote:

 

 

Uddhava went to Vrndavan, where he realized the glories of the gopis.He had

previously thought, "I am superior to all other devotees."But when he came to

Vrndavana he understood that,"Krishna has sent me to learn somthing in this prema

school,the devotional school of the gopis.

Narayana Maharaja Pinnacle of Devotion pg.106

 

 

YS MC

 

Excellent point, prabhu!

 

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Radhe Radhe ALWAYS Radhe!

Originally posted by Satyaraja dasa:

>> It does not bother me that followers of Goraknath do not accept Sri Chaitanyas divinity. But keep in mind that certainly Ramakrisha did.....as did many many others!

 

It is said that Sri Hari cannot keep hidden from His devotees. In spite of being a secret avatara, Sri Caitanya would be noticed by them.

 

Not all of the Vaisnavas who were Sri Caitanya contemporary had accepted His divinity. Sri Vallabhacarya, for example did not. He established his own sampradaya postulating pusti-marga, that is the same of raganuga-marga, but he rejected rasa-tattva. His followers consider him as an avatara of Sri Gopala, and there are also thousands of witness of the manifestation of His divinity according them. It is unecessary to stress the personal relationship among Sri Vallabha, Sri Caitanya and all of Sri Caitanya main folloers such as Sri Rupa nad Sanatana, as Sri Caitanya-caritmrta describe it in some details.

 

Sri Tulasidasa also was a contemporary of Sri Caitanya, but he has never recognized Sri Caitanya's divinity. He was a very exalted Vaisnava and he is worship by some members of Sri Sampradaya as Visnu-tattva.

 

Srimati Mirabai, was also a exalted Vaisnavi, who had many dealings with Sri Caitanya's followers such as Jiva Goswami, bur she never has recognized Sri Caitanya's divinity.

 

Of the 4 Vaisnava-sampradayas of Kali-yuga, none of them recognize Sri Caitanya avatara. Not even Madhva-sampradaya, were Gaudiya-vaisnavas proclaim to belong to, what to say Sri-sampradaya, Vallabha-sampradaya and Nimbarka-sampradaya.

 

It's stated that Gaudiya-vaisnavas were an inexpressive group in Vaisnavism before the advent of Iskcon. Can some one give some info on this aspect, based in some statistics?

 

dasa dasanudasa

Satyaraja dasa

Looks like you're wrong again, Satyaraj prabhu. From Srimati Mirabai herself:

 

 

"ab to hari naam dhun lo laagee, saadho!

saba jaga bolata maakhan choraa,

naam dharo vairaagee!

 

kaha chaadi vahu mohan murali?

kaha chaadi saba gopi?

mora mundaayi gora kati bandhee,

maane na maanee gopi !

 

maata yasomati maakhan choran

baandhi jaaki baaha,

shyaama kishore bhaye nava goraa,

caitanya jaako naam !

 

pitaambar ko bhaava dikhaavai,

kati kaupeena base,

gore krishna ki daasi meeraa,

jasa na krishna bane na bane!

 

ab to hari naam dhun lo laagee! "

 

Meaning (Bhaavaartha) -

 

O pious souls! Now, my consciousness is absorbed into the

Divine vibration of the Names of my Hari! I surrender myself to

His Holy Name!

The entire world addresses Him as the 'Butter Thief'.

But now, He has earned another popular Name for Himself,

as 'Vairaagi'- the dispassionate wandering monk! (Sanyasi)

 

O my dearest Mohan ( Enchanter,Krishna)!

Why have You discarded Your intimate companion, (Priya-Sakhi)-

the Divine Flute?

And why have You renounced all Your eternal Sweethearts, Gopis?

 

You appear now with shaven head and ochre cloth at Your waist!

But this clever Gopi understands Your disguise and doesn't care

to conceal it !

 

Now it seems like Mother Yasoda has tied up the both arms of

Butter Thief !

Alas,no more mischievous tricks!

 

My Dark Beloved has now reappeared as the newly fresh Golden

Lord Whose blessed Name is 'Caitanya' !

 

Though clad Himself in skimpy rags, His Pitambara (Yellow

Divine Attire) as well as His inner most Divine Love Sentiments

are revealed to me.

Now Meerabai is the Hand-Maid of the Golden Krishna, whether

the Glory of My Krishna is recognized by all or not!

 

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Radhe Radhe ALWAYS Radhe!

Originally posted by Gauracandra:

Haribol Anudasa,

 

I always wanted to read "The Golden Volcano of Divine Love" by Srila Sridhar Swami. I've seen it but never picked it up to read when I had a chance. Since first seeing it everyone I've spoken to loves it. So I think I should search it out.

 

Gauracandra

There are at least two editions. For the newer one you might try Mandala Publishing.

 

 

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Radhe Radhe ALWAYS Radhe!

 

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Originally posted by Maitreya:

Yeah, but there is reason behind that one.Underware stains don't show so you can get more mileage out of them.

 

There's a new areosol spray that permanently removes smells from fabric, so now we're left with only the `filthy but wearable category`! It's called `Febreeze` for all you happy bachelors out there.

Examples of why the English language is so hard to learn:

 

1) The bandage was wound around the wound.

2) The farm was used to produce produce.

3) The dump was so full that it had to refuse more refuse.

4) We must polish the Polish furniture.

5) He could lead if he would get the lead out.

6) The soldier decided to desert his dessert in the desert.

7) Since there is no time like the present, he thought

it was time to present the present.

8) A bass was painted on the head of the bass drum.

9) When shot at, the dove dove into the bushes.

10) I did not object to the object.

11) The insurance was invalid for the invalid.

12) There was a row among the oarsmen about how to row.

13) They were too close to the door to close it.

14) The buck does funny things when the does are present.

15) A seamstress and a sewer fell down into a sewer line.

16) To help with planting, the farmer taught his sow to sow.

17) The wind was too strong to wind the sail.

18) After a number of injections my jaw got number.

19) Upon seeing the tear in the painting I shed a tear.

20) I had to subject the subject to a series of tests.

21) How can I intimate this to my most intimate friend?

 

Let's face it - English is a crazy language.

There is no egg in eggplant nor ham in hamburger;

neither apple nor pine in pineapple.

English muffins weren't invented in England or

French fries in France.

Sweetmeats are candies while sweetbreads, which aren't sweet,

are meat.

 

We take English for granted.

 

But if we explore its paradoxes, we find that quicksand can work

slowly,

boxing rings are square and a guinea pig is neither from Guinea

nor is it

a pig.

Why is it that writers write,

but fingers don't fing,

grocers don't groce and

hammers don't ham?

 

If the plural of tooth is teeth,

why isn't the plural of booth beeth?

One goose, 2 geese, so one moose, 2 meese?

One index, 2 indices?

 

Doesn't it seem crazy that you can make amends, but not one

amend.

 

If you have a bunch of odds and ends, and get rid of all but one

of

them, what do you call it?

If teachers have taught, why haven't preachers praught?

If a vegetarian eats vegetables, what does a humanitarian eat?

 

Sometimes I think all the English speakers should be committed

to an

asylum for the verbally insane.

In what language do people recite at a play and play at a

recital?

 

Ship by truck and send cargo by ship?

Have noses that run and feet that smell?

How can a slim chance and a fat chance be the same,

while a wise man and a wise guy are opposites?

 

You have to marvel at the unique lunacy of a language

in which your house can burn up as it burns down,

in which you fill out a form by filling it in and

in which an alarm goes off by going on.

 

English was invented by people, not computers, and it reflects

the

creativity of the human race (which, of course, isn't a race at

all).

 

That is why, when the stars are out, they are visible, but when

the lights

are out, they are invisible.

Really, Atma, you are TOO much!!!

Originally posted by premananda:

I didn´t say that GM condemns all Babajis, neither do I believe that all persons in the world calling themselves "Babaji" are authentic. That would be foolish.

 

But the fact is that the Swami replies to the question (whether it´s ok to read Srila _ _ _ _ _ _ Babaji Maharaja´s books; and it is obvious that it is Srila Ananta das Babaji!) by telling a story about a sahajiya babaji. This is what I object to.

 

P D

 

 

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I concur completely. The broad brush of GM strikes again. Some can do no wrong, apparently, while others can do no right. Why bother distinguishing other than between `us` and `them`? So much simpler that way!

 

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Radhe Radhe ALWAYS Radhe!

Originally posted by premananda:

I didn´t say that GM condemns all Babajis, neither do I believe that all persons in the world calling themselves "Babaji" are authentic. That would be foolish.

 

But the fact is that the Swami replies to the question (whether it´s ok to read Srila _ _ _ _ _ _ Babaji Maharaja´s books; and it is obvious that it is Srila Ananta das Babaji!) by telling a story about a sahajiya babaji. This is what I object to.

 

P D

 

 

[This message has been edited by premananda (edited 05-25-2001).]

I concur completely. The broad brush of GM strikes again. Some can do no wrong, apparently, while others can do no right. Why bother distinguishing other than between `us` and `them`? So much simpler that way!

 

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Radhe Radhe ALWAYS Radhe!

Originally posted by Maitreya:

Fellow souls,

 

How are we to define Krishna consciousness?

 

Is it not the natural fulfilled state of the soul?What do the residents of the Spiritual Sky have to do with religion?

 

Krishna tells us in the Gita to abandon all these karma and jnana based mundane faiths and just surrnder unto Him.This is also what Christ taught, surrender to the Supreme Person.So we can see Krishna consciousness there as well.

 

If someone has developed unmotivated devotional service in love to God that is the test.

 

We can accept this essence anywhere we see it.That is non-sectarian.

 

Krishna consciousness is not Hinduism, Christianity or Islam although degrees of Krishna consciousness can be found in all three.

 

And where we find it we can celebrate it.

 

YS MC

 

 

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Radhe Radhe ALWAYS Radhe!

Originally posted by amanpeter:

Who can deny that such religious sentiments have been the cause of intense suffering for so

many?

 

jndas:

Actually I believe the conception that everyone else is worshipping false gods (maybe the devil?), that

they are deceived, that they are heathens, heretics and the such, and that "my way is the only truth, and

everyone else must be converted to my way" is the cause of much suffering in the world. I think my

view can be substantiated by recorded history as well. The settling of North and South America is a

good example. The inquisition is a good example. The crusades is a good example. The colonization of

Africa is a good example.

Precisely why I do not find anything `funny` about that Email or the ignorance it expressed.

 

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Originally posted by ggohil:

"What do you do when only the Divine Grace which can make you stop crying is the Divine Grace which makes you cry?"

 

 

Cry with Radha!

 

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Radhe Radhe ALWAYS Radhe!

I never got past "groovy", fact I didn't get quite that far, either. Hung-up somewhere between "cool" and "hip", I think.

Very sweet indeed! Here in Toronto, Canada the local ISKCON temple is called New Remuna and the dieties are Sri Sri Radha Ksira-cora Gopinath. http://www.iskcon.net/toronto/index.html

 

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Radhe Radhe ALWAYS Radhe!

Is tat so? Sorry, jndas prabhu, but I know how you like a good joke...

JAI MOST MERCIFUL NITYANDA PRABHU!!!