bhadramoorthi

nice thoughts, dear guest. "..But a human being, however great, can never become god..." ok ,then can you explain in what respect did Rama and KRISHNA became god? "..He may be a Vibhuti, a higher aspect of Purushottama and nothing more. He is not an avatar..." one can say the same thing about Krishna and Rama also.

You guest told: ==================== God has 6 qualities.. 1-wealth, 2-strength, 3-knowledge, 4-opulence, 5-renunciation and 6...... beauty. Baba and beautiful??? I think not. Ok ok beauty is in the eye of the beholder blah blah blah but I'm sorry folks, not in this case! ======================= I want to know from where(which scripture) you got these postulates by "wealth","strength","knowledge","opulence" etc do you mean material wealth,strength..... or some spiritual stuff? If you say that a wealthy person is God,then you would probably say Billgates is an avatar.and for beauty,you may say that Aishwarya rai is an avatar since she is a beauty. also, if a person has all these, is he God????????????????? Then Sathya Sai Baba is really God.Thanks that you,ve made my job easy. also, i dont find any ugliness in Sree Sai Baba.

Your ideas have a sense, barney. That opposer of Sai would doubt Krishna also if he was alive at that time. If he was at the time of Jesus, he would doubt Jesus saying that a carpenter cant be God.

"...then you have to demonstrate that he's god.." how would you know that a person is an avatar or not? is it that he should have blue colour,with lot of jewelry and crowns,wives....

even if there are a lots of proofs, people who are blind cant find God's presence. there are no blinds in the list of Sree Sree Sree Sathya Sai devotees. neither are any fools. check the list. To demonstrate His divinity, a silly creature like me is insufficient. I shall narrate a true incident which took place in my place. Mr.krishnan Nair is a devotee of Sree SaiBaba.Baba usually give warnings about the upcoming disasters to His devotees.One night Nair's daughter dreamt that she fell out of school-bus and her right leg was plastered.the next evening,while she was stepped in the schoolbus,it suddenly moved and the back-wheel of the cumbersome vehicle drove over her right leg.she was immediately taken to medical-college hospital and x-ray was taken.The doctors were astonished to see that there is only a total of three fractures in the leg bones.Even after the heavy vehicle passed over the tender leg of the small girl,the bones had only 3 fractures instead of being crushed. Her father told with tears that it was Baba's invisible hands which worked there to protect her. this incident happened in my place and i being aware of all these facts found myself unable to disbelieve in Baba. if someone need, i can give the address of Krishnan nair, so that they may go and verify the truth of the incident .

"..I know my God (Om) - I'm His devotee ... if He has come as an avatar into this world I don't have to find Him in anyone, He will find me..." ===================== So you are so great that Avatars will come searching for you! Nice to meet you and my pranams to such a great person. ================================== "...Sai Baba has a suspicious persona plus he hasn't done anything to benefit the whole of mankind.." As i said in my earlier post, those who have suspicion please go and throw light upon any frauds takin place there. All accusations as we know are made public through websites.nevertheless devotees are flowing towards Him.It is the attractive power of avatars. Saibaba has been doing services from his teens and it is sad to hear like that from you. Could you please tell me what Krishna had done for benefit of the whole mankind? "....Bill Gates donated millions for the relief of the Tsunami, are you going to worship him next?, there are a lot of people who are influencial in this world - does that mean you worship them?) Respect is one thing and worship quite another. I respect that other people respect him but I can't worship anyone who hasn't touched my life in a special way! .." But Bill gates cant shower Vibhuti/Sindoor from his photo,right? There are many people who found Vibhuti emerging from His photo.I also have personal experiences regarding this. Also Billgates cant cure diseases of his own. ================================ "..The last avatar is suposed to be special and lead us out of the darkness of the kali yug. .." who said this is the last avatar! there was a previous avatar at Shirdi. Also,there will be one more avatar after some years. Blessed are the people who get the fortune to believe in avatars.they get the ocean(of rebirths) crossed. others just live in their suppositions and die useless. Suppose you were born at the time of Christ and you have heard of His divinity but didnt see Him and also had heard accusations against Him.Most probably,in that case, you would prefer to disbelieve Him and would havent gone before Him. At the time of Krishna also there were lots of people who disbelieved Him,like the sisupala. They also would have argued with the devotees of Krishna saying that He was like this or that.... i would prefer not to be yet another sisupala...

"..the most valid argument brought up by your links is "why not?" please do not ridicule sanatana dharma and indian culture.." i humbly state that the things i said was not a joke. Without knowing a person, we cant judge.If we dont know,we should not speak.but i knew the greatness of the kaliyuga avatar of Sai. If anyone has any doubts about Sai,first go there and find out if there are any frauds taking place in His place. I challenge everyone to do so.Then only we can realize that all the accusations were false.

"vaishnavas consider siva a mahavaishnav. when rama was to be borm, shiva had come in disguise to see Him." can you please tell me which belief is true.i mean vaishnav/saiva.

there are eleven rudras right? if Lord Krishna is sankara,what about the others. also if Krishna is Siva, then all these Vaishnavas who degrade Siva are degrading Krishna only.right?

it is widely thought that Siva and Rudra are the same. I found the following in "Autobiography of a YOGI" by Yogi Paramahamsa Yogananda: =================================== THE LORD IN HIS ASPECT AS SHIVA Not a historical personage like Krishna, Shiva is the name given to God in the last aspect of His threefold nature (Creator-Preserver-Destroyer). Shiva, the Annihilator of maya or delusion, is symbolically represented in the scriptures as the Lord of Renunciates, the King of Yogis. In Hindu art He is always shown with the new moon in His hair, and wearing a garland of hooded snakes, ancient emblem of evil overcome and perfect wisdom. The "single" eye of omniscience is open on His forehead. =============================================== now rudra refers to the destroyer.siva cant be only a destroyer entity of god as we see from the above quote. does this mean that siva himself acts as brahma,vishnu and rudra?

will you please tell me when Mother Parvathi committed suicide? i think the stories, when told from one to other and so on, would take horrible twists according to that story,insulters of the deities existed at that time also.but it is noticeable that in that story,such insults are not encouraged,as all the insulters got severe punishment (according to that story) .that story actually calls to end insulting the deities. in the satya yuga, may be daksha didnt know the illeffects of blasphemy of the deities.may be after losing his original head, he learned that. but now, in the kaliyuga, what we are doing? just going on with the same sin even after knowing that it is a sin.that is the effect of kali.people just love doing sins.

"..per gita, the asuras and the people with demonic ideology are enemies of the suras and their vedic society and culture. there is no good way except to fight with them in all possible ways..." So, respected sir, you say that fighting is not demonic.according to some selfish people,only their way is godly and all other ideologies are demonic. if anyone say that "Gita has demonic ideologies because it promotes killing of the opposing persons just like the quran does.." can we accept? and about mahabhagavatham, please ask anyone well-versed in indian mythology(puranas).

"...How do you know you are not affected by the same KaliYuga?" The answer is i dont know whether i am affected or you.but when i go through the posts which degrade the Indian deities like siva,vishnu etc,i know that they are affected by kali. if you know that i am affected,please tell me. also please tell, by what reason you infered tht i am affected.

Good luck for your fight.But can you please tell me who is your enemy with whom you opt to fight? "..what is mahabhagavatam? never heared of it." Thanks,nice that you revealed your ignorance. Ignorance is the problem with most persons fighting over the issue of god.This is also a problem of the kaliyuga.In kali,even the most foolish persons pack themselves as pundits/gurus and give out dialogues

We can see the evil effects of Kaliyuga in this forum.Even those who claim themselves as devotees of Vishnu/Siva are fighting with each other like dogs. I think that is why it is said in the MahaBhagavatam that 'Dont even speak to a non-devotee of Devi.neither should we touch them.Because their sinful thoughts(of ego) causes sin to the beings of their vicinity also.' Here i can see that in their words,driven by the craving for supremacy of worship.

There are clear evidences for Sathya Sai Baba's divinity if we open our eyes.Your problem is the pre-assumptions about the avatars... The following links will be helpful: http://www.saibabalinks.org/saibabamiracles.htm http://members.lycos.co.uk/sldocs/miracle.html http://www.saibaba.ws/miracles.htm http://members.lycos.co.uk/sldocs/threesai.html http://members.lycos.co.uk/sldocs/sai.html

...Mother's story contd: This was how Bhandasura got his name: Lord Brahma, who was witnessing all these incidents , grew frustrated and swore “Bhand”“Bhand” (shame, shame ). From then on, he got the name “Bhanda”.Because of his qualities he became an Asura (demon) and entered the domain of Asuras. This is how he got the name ‘Bhandasura’. ....contd in my next post.

...Mother's story contd: This was how Bhanda Asura was born: Chitrakarma, the commander of one of the Rudra Ganas one day started toying with the ash of the burnt Manmatha and prepared a doll out of it. He took this doll to Lord Shiva.As soon as the doll nearedLord Shiva, it sprang to life as a boy. Chitrakarma was overwhelmed with joy. He gave the boy the Upadesha ofShata-Rudreeya Mantra and asked him to undertake penance. When the penance reached the stage of fruition, Lord Shiva appeared before him. He asked Lord Shiva to grant him a special boon-“anyone who fights against me should immediately lose half of his strength and that strength should be added to my strength. None of the weapons of my opponents should be able to defeat me” . Immediately Lord Shiva granted the boon and added, “I am also bestowingon you the boon of ruling the kingdom for sixty thousand years”. After giving these boons, Lord Shiva disappeared. ....contd in my next post.

.....Mother's story contd: Then Hayagreeva Devarshi tells the story of the Divine Mother's incarnations in the world. He tells the story of Mother Sati.(I think everybody know the story of mother Sati who was married to Lord Shiva.After Sati Devi burned Her physical body in the fire of the Daksha Yajna, Shiva used to be in a state of ecstasy of yoga continuously.Sati Devi was reborn as the daughter of Himavan and Menaka as Parvathi.The son born to Shiva and Parvati only could kill the demon Taraka .Hence Manmatha(similar to cupid) sent an arrow (of lust) on Shiva so that Shiva’s ascetic attitude be lessened and He be attracted towards Parvathi.At once, Shiva’s third eye (in between the eyebrows) opened and the fire rushing therefrom reduced Manmatha to ashes.) ...........contd in my next post.

"Why would a supreme, who is the source of everything and everything is within him, is pleased when one life sacrifices a life of someone else? Where is the divinity in it? " Offerings are made by men according to their needs. If there is some sin associated with an offering, the performer will and must suffer its bad-effects either in this birth or in the coming ones.

.....Mother's story contd: Agasthya ,by now had found His Guru in the form of the Seer Hayagreeva Devarshi.Hayagreeva was also pleased with Agasthya and told Agasthya about the tales of the Divine Mother from the Beginning. "..The Divine Mother emanated from meditation of Brahma (the Creator). Her name then was Prakruti (The nature) ............... For the second time, the Divine Mother manifested as Mohini at the time of the churning the ocean by the celestials and the demons............." Agastya heard these stories in detail from Hayagreeva and said, “Hayagreeva,the cleverest one, Kindly let me know in detail which form of Para Shakti (The Divine Mother, the Supreme Power) will bestow both food and salvation to the devotees in the Kali Yuga”. Hayagreeva replied, “Lalita Devi is the only Goddess who has the power to do so. Listen to her story”. ...........contd in my next post.

Read the Lalitha Sahasranama and it will bring amazing effects. It is my personal experience that we will raise spiritually and materially after starting the practice of regular chanting. Initially it seems a cumbersome and difficult task. But reading it daily makes us fit for spirituality. 170th name =NirLobha(devoid of lust ie One who protects Her children from lust) 142th name =NishKama(devoid of immoral sexual urges,ie One who protects Her children from those)

After becoming a Devi devotee, I didnt read the Vedas further. Thanks that you notified me. Rigvedam gives a chance of praising all deities. Too much Gods are described in the Rig-vedam. Some persons know only the "MAYA" aspect of the Mother. They unknowingly blasphemy the Mother. Maya is also said to have a female form.But I dont think that Maya is the real supreme Mother Durga. That Maya is just the illusionary potency of that ILLUSIONIST god. Durga stands all above that. Nice that you recognized the truth.

why blame fore-fathers!

When Agasthya was told some truths about the Tripura Devi by Lord SriVishnu, Agastya could not help begging for more details about Tripura Devi. Lord accepted his prayer and introduced him to Hayagreeva Devarshi(Devarshi= Godly saint) who was an incarnation of Lord Vishnu Himself and was preaching the glories of NaamaSankeerthan(chanting of holy names). When Hayagreeva Devarshi appeared, Vishnu told Agasthya " Whatever you want to know,this Devarshi will tell you". And the Lord disappeared. ............contd in my next post