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  1. All the avatras are known as Visnu and in all they have hundreds of millions of name. We may only know the famous 10 or 1000 as mentioned in Sahsranama for our planet or this age of Kali.Therefore surrendering to any form of visnu is always the best. ===================================================== Vishnu names are very simple and does not have any significance like those in the Lalitha Sahasranama. The best is going far above the ThriMurthis--Brahma,Vishnu, Rudra etc..... till we reach the ultimate Supreme Power Who controls them. Nothing to surrender---She is our own Mother. Surrender is something done when one fails in war or so.Or before a more powerful enemy/king etc Surrender applies to such deities, who treat us like slaves.
  2. "...If Lalitha Sahasarnama would grant anywish of a devotee then i dont see y Vishnu should be the only aim.after all being happy and substancial is the ultimate goal for anyone..if we get it by whatever gods blessing its ok,this whole talk of just vishnu being superior doesnt make sense. It just degrades all other gods.GOD IS SUPREME,there cant be lesser or bigger.Either we should understand that or else keep fighting till eternity...." ============================================================ Lalitha Sahasranama can give us all desires and finally mukti. It is guaranteed by Lord Hayagreeva that people can obtain the four Purusharthas Dharma,Artha,Kama and Moksham by the grace of the Divine Mother. The Vishnu worship is recommended only when people have so much devotion like those characters in mythology---Dhruva, Prahlada etc. In all other cases it fails. Vishnu makes us reborn for infinity if we are not so much devoted to Him. The first thing Krishna would do to His devotee is to make him a beggar. But this is not the case with Divine Mother. And Vishnu devotees have not even learnt the manners how to speak about Deities nor they have any respect for other scriptures and sects. Most of their Gurus are useful only to fill in their own bellies and live in total luxuries.They dont know renunciation like Sree Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. They translate scriptures accordng to their own agenda. They found new organisations and disturb harmony. No one could support such a sect.
  3. "..I can totally understand the state of mind you are in. One of the Vaishnava fanatics dared to call even adi shankaracharya as fool.they even called ramana maharishi fake etc... so there is no point in arguing with these guys. Even in real life, I find vaishnavas the most argumentative people. it need not be about religion, it can be anything.. they have very strong views and stick to it. .." What you said is extremely true.I agree.May Mother bless you.
  4. gita: "Arjuna, even those devotees who, endowed with faith, worship other gods (with some disinterested motive), they too worship Me alone, though not in accordance with rules (without proper knowledge). For I am the enjoyer and also the lord of all sacrifices; but they do not know Me in reality, hence they fall (are subject to death and rebirth). Those who take to the worship of gods go to the gods; those who worship the manes reach the manes; those who adore the spirits reach the spirits and those who worship Me attain Me" =========================== Your post, i saw only today. It seems Mother has replied me for my question. Actually i needed some explanation for the questions raised by Renga about animal sacrifices.And Mother gave reply through you. Thank you . "..Your full focus should be directed then to the One God. .." Yes, I am. "..consider them angels..." No. Lord Vyasa made so many deities so that we could worship them and attain material benefits. eg: Indra--rain Agni-- fire Vayu-- wind Vishnu-- protector Rudra-- destructor Lakshmi-- wealth Narasimha-- enemy destruction Dhanwantari-- medicine Saraswathy-- knowledge etc etc
  5. "..I am curious. Who is this mother ? Are you talking about Devi Bhagavatam mother or are you hallucinating stuff ?.." ..Aapadi Kim Karaneeyam? [What is to be done in disasters? ] Smaraneeyam Charana Yugalam Ambaya....[Remember Her Holy feet] Yes,the Mother is the same.She sends Her rays of mercy to everyone.One should tune oneself to hear what She says. It is applicable to all the Deities.When we meditate on Her, spontaneously we see several visions and find Her talking,laughing, dancing, sitting on a lion etc. You may think it as halluination, but whatever I heard from Her was always true, may it be some daily-life matters or spiritual matter. and also, hallucinations cannot be true. She never gave me Darshan in a material form, That is accessible only to realised souls like Sree RamaKrishna. Whenever a situation of worry comes, just go to Her and pray/cry with concentration and She will show us the solutions.
  6. "..vaishnavas are supposed to be hubmler than grass..." inference: I have experienced that they really are not. But it is true that they dont even keep the level of a grass while arguing. "...one is free to worship a deva or devi or god the supreme. Krishna does not mind it. he says the fruits they get is actually coming from Him. Krishna even strenghthens their faith thus. he says "don't disturb another in his practice of sadhana."..." inference: Polytheism. "...bhakti has to be avyabhichAriNi. this is true even if you worship deva or devi or god. therefore a devi worshipper has to think and worship devi as if she is the supreme god. when the bhaka realizes devi, then from her he will learn who is actually supreme...." inference: Again, Polytheism. And what should I do after I realise Her and learn from Her that Krishna is supreme????? "...when we hindus talk to the non hindus we ought to say that Gita is our Book. that's all; and we need to understand what gita says - there krishna says he is above devas and devis.and we should not have any heart burn about it because Krishna the god said so..." inference: Again, Polytheism. (I follow the Devi-Gitas, Parvathi Gita etc.) "...when we worship our ishta deva or devi and not Krishna, then we can think of him or her as supreme, but we should always respect all other hindus who worship other deva/devi or god; and we should not try to prove other's deva/devi is not supreme..." inference: Smartha principles. "..the above scheme will keep us the vedic people united. we should not fall victims of any attempts by others to cause a strife within us. we need unity to counter the anti-vedics..." inference: Fear of other sects.
  7. "..Why could you want to ask your Mother to explain what Shavite said? Why don't you ask Shivate to explain it (if he can) what he meant?.." Try to learn devotion also besides arguing in forums.You would understand why i believe in Mother than anyone else. "...You're just a Puppet .." You too are.
  8. "...But that gives no right to call the poeple who do that as Most sattwik vaishnawas. What do the Most Sattwik Vaishnawas have got to do here in this forum? hope u understood what i wanted to convey..." It was their claim, that they are sattwik and all Devi worshippers(like myself) are tamasik. The arguments they fired were only meant to prove that they were most sattwiks and all others are dangerous.I can quote for you some of their arguments.(more are there at the original thread): ======================================================= <font color="red"> <ul type="square"> [*]This is your ignorant opinion. It is falsehood as this statement is made by you who is finite and full of faults like ahankara, mada, matsarya, loba etc.Vaishnavas would rather depend on Vedas which are apourasheya, beyond faults and not authored by faulty human beings. [*]When you pay a visit to Srirangam,you can still see in this yuga so many orthodox vaishnvas who lead a life of pure austerities and bhakthi. [*]After all we Vaishnavas believe in peace,love and non violence.It is for this basic three principles we are uncomprimising on any worship lower than that of pure goodness. [*]In the name of trance so many pseudo Devi devotees cheat people and collect money.If you visit Kamaghya in Assam,any kind hearted soul will become terrified.Even few decades before human sacrifice existed. [*]so many genuine acharyas who has lived a life of devotion for this great bhakthi movement will get offended. [*]Vishnu is all attractive and pleasing to everyone.He is full of mercy and always stay in the mode of pure goodness.His devotees know no refuge other than Him and he accepts only veg prasadam and no animal sacrifice and all.Because he is the father of all living entities.( [*]Vishnu devotion is something which the soul must aspire and rightly conclude given the confusing other things.It is because it is indeed it is very very tough to accept Vishnu as supreme than anybody and once accepted he becomes a Vaishhava and slowly his character is perfectionalized. [*]But now only intelligent and humble men can seggregate fact from illusion and judge the greatness among the thrimurthis. [*]no one sacrifices poor innocent animals as a demon symbol to Narasimha.Because we all know Vishnu is the father and unwanteldy he wont continue his anger.But incase of other deities that perfect maturity is not there and something is lagging behind them [*]For those who eat meat and drink wine,if we go and tell about Vishnu they wont listen much. [*]Thats why Demons remained Shiva deovtees but never respected their own master at times.But you cannot quote a single vishnu devotee who is a demon by action.(Prahladha and Vibeeshana were exceptionally exalted high grade souls and not demons by their action) [*]Today it is really sweet to become a brave valourous person,give animal's blood to Kali,enjoy good life,do social service and argue equanimity.Yes it is even so sweet to call for support from Vedic puranas and tantrism etc etc.It is really very very sweet to call Divine Mother and make her descend to our tastes.But one thing is there A supreme witness at the macro level and our own conscience at the Mini level.It can never lie and will speak what is wrong.
  9. [Vaishnavas could answer you better.in fact i could not reply them due to the harsh terms they use.Such discussions take us away from the Divine Grace.] Vishnu is one of the prominent Deities in the Vedam. Krishna, one of His incarnations to protect the world. It is widely accepted among Hindus that the Brahman is attributeless, ie IT cant be comprehended.That is the Nirguna Brahman. But for us, we need some form to worship, meditate etc. In the Vedas, Lord Vyasa had given us many deities for that purpose. They are called the Saguna Brahman. So the deities are all one. If it is asked as to why He has identified the saguna bhrahman as NArAyanA, it is because MahA Vishnu has been entrusted with the responsibility of lOka rakshanAm(protection,maintenance), during the division of three primary activities. He has referred to the one who is incharge of protection (of this creation)as the very energy which takes care of this entire 'prapancham'(Material Universe). Hence Vishnu can be said to be supreme in the sence He is non-different from the original Brahman.Similarly Devi, Siva, Ganesha are also is said to be the Supreme in some scriptures.That all are true in the sense that they are all manifestations of the same Brahman. Here is an instance from the Brahmanda Puranam: =============================================== Agastya asked Hayagreeva “Oh Lord! What is the path of salvation to these ignorant people?” Hayagreeva replied “There are two paths for this. They are: a) After renouncing everything, one can attain the knowledge of the, attributeless aspect of God. This is a very difficult way. b) The second method is to worship the Divine Mother who is the form of Vishnu with attributes. Even a sinner can do the worship. There is another advantage inthis type. The devotee can simultaneously get enjoyment and salvation byfollowing this path”. ========================================================== Thus, Hayagreeva had said that Vishnu, Devi are all ONE. Then about the problem: "..Further is KRISHNA a expansion of NARAYANA or VISNU. Or is KRISHNA the source of all..." The same rule applies. Krishna says He is the source, seed etc because He has abhedam(non-difference) with the supreme Brahman.So Krishna can also be said as the source of the whole existence. Look what Devi says: "..Ekai VaHam JagathYathra Dwitheeya Ka Mama Para..." meaning: I alone exist in this universe.Where is a second one other than me? Also, if someone says that one deity is supreme and all others are different from Him or are some demigods, then it is pure polytheism.
  10. Your post about their humiliations bestirs my mind rapidly. I am logging off and going to ask Mother some explanation for this. Otherwise I cant get peace.
  11. Some Dwaitin said: ======== "...You say you worship the mother of the universe, Shakti. But there is no shakti without shaktiman, so if you worship Shakti, you also worship Shaktimaan or Visnu. He-he, we win. You're a Vaishnavite, sonny, because you worshp Radha-KRishna/shakti-shaktimaan..." ======== No one except you would say that.I think it is because you love the deity Krishna very much.And, the Shaktimaan you asked was not Vishnu,nor Krishna, But SADASIVA or MAHA KAMESWARA. No one could yet define SADASIVA properly.Some of the defenitions given to the term SADASIVA come close but could not capture HIM in the complete sense. Vishnu, the Protector entity of the Mother Supreme is the Shaktimaan of Mother Lakshmi(=the Wealth Goddess and another form of the Mother Supreme). Krishna is the Shaktimaan of the maiden Radha. Mother Supreme is the most PatiVrata and wont accept anyone other than SADASIVA. Srimad Sankaracharya says in Soundarya Lahari: "Virinchihi Panchatwam Vrajathi Harir Apnothi Virathim Vinasham Kinasho Bhajathi Dhanado Yathi Nidhanam Vithandri Mahendri Vithathir api Sammeelitha Drisha Maha Samharare Asmin Viharathi Sathi Twat Pathi Rasow." meaning: Virincha(Brahma, the creator) proceeds to death.Hari(Vishnu, the supreme among Vedic characters) meets an end.Kinaasa(Yama,another Vedic god) obtains destruction. Dhanada(Kubera) proceeds to death.The group of Indras(Lord of the vedic gods) are also in deep sleep(death) with eyes closed.Oh Sati!(Mother Supreme) in this great universal destruction, this(SADASIVA) your husband sports.
  12. "...Someone recently even said words like "foolish" and "arrogant" are not words of insult, but mere expressions!! Probably whoever said "Bogus", "Silly", "asura", thought they were just venting out their frustration and not really insulting!!..." ==== How come you dont feel even after they have accused Shivites as cheats? I am a common man and i feel sad. "....Anyway, please don't take things to heart, after all they are just our fellow hindus going to extremes to defend their faith..." Then why do they have so much superiority complex? Why they claim theirs to be the most exalted religion? Their words do proclaim that they are not even better than the tribals.
  13. I dont know whether all people of this forum are decent or not. But some of them has been calling me bad names for a long time. They are none other than the SUPERIOR and MOST SATTWIK vaishnavas. Read the post- "Vishnu-The ultimate aim?" All I wanted to convey was that I found Devi as the supreme abode in the Devi Bhagavatam,MahaBhagavatam,Devi Suktam,Sri Suktam, Upanishadsetc.She stands much above the trimurtis---Brahma,Vishnu and Rudra.And all deities are Her forms. Let me show the readers a glimpse of the humiliation I am being subjected to: Some guest says: ================================= <font color="red"> .....This statement of yours exhibits two things. 1. Total lack of knowledge on Vedas or Sanskrit. 2. Ahankara and total foolishness with silly and rubbish excuses not to accept the truth. Talk about cheaing tendencies of Shivites like you. ...compose scriptures of falsehood like Devi Bhagavatam etc., ...Truth always hurts asuras and people following falsehood with imaginary stories from bogus scriptures like devi-bhagavatam etc. ...Bogus stories written by cheater Shaktites in bogus scriptures like devi bhagavatam. ...Nonsense from devi bhagavatam again. ...Again non-sense from devi bhagavatam ...You keep spouting your idiotic nonsense.Even Shankara does not hold such perverse views. ...Typical fool or typical shaktite cheater. ...and about the fake teachings of devi Bhagavatam it is evident that Devi Bhagavatam is false. ...so hello Mr.FAKE,could you please shut up? ...Your satguru and their teachings are also falsehood ...unlike false teachings of advaita and shaktism. ...Dog barking at sun. ...Devi Bhagavatam and the rest are written by fake guys. </font color> ================================== I am not taught to call someone dog or idiot. I could not bear the Mother being insulted like this and i told Her.Mother laughed very much when I told this to Her. I think take-it-easy is Her policy.Why should I blame Her,they are also Her children! At last, one of them comes in his user id and asks compromise: <font color="red"> Bhadramoorthi -- I have no hatred towards you and I hope the same from you.We are under the tree of Vedic Religion. </font color> I wonder why..
  14. you said: "..Devi Bhagavatam and the rest are written by fake guys..." your authority please? and you say all the scriptures other than the vaishnava scriptures are false!this is religious fundamentalism! As i am aware of the deep,deep vedanta philosophies, theologies, logics,tattwams etc given through the Devi scriptures, it is evident that it is not a fake. and in your words,it is a fake. then it follows that what you have told is a lie. it means that you are a fake. so hello Mr.FAKE,could you please shut up? and please dont disturb the hindu harmony. my satguru had said that all deities are one and to realise this, we should first concentrate on one of them.Vaishnavas are doing the same, but they denounce all other deities unknowingly.if you continue so, you will reach nowhere! now i am aware of the vaishnava mentality. they are just like the christians and muslims.they think they have some different god, who rules over some demigods and that there is no supreme brahman.they also think that god has a human form as the christians does, with an exception that the vaishnavas have a four armed god!
  15. Brahman is the kartA or the Creator here (the Cause), and viSvam is the creation or the effect. and Vishnu =Vishwam SupremeOne =Brahman,which is called by the crores of names of Devi.
  16. "...You sometimes support Advaita and sometimes Devi greatness but never Vishnu greatness..." I never said abt advaitam.It is beyond the reach of materialists like you.could be only attained by Yogis. What i said was ABHEDA among the deities. Why should one accept vishnu greatness? Vishnu as a vedic god is ok. But as the supreme God????? nay........never!
  17. "...Yes Vishnu is Parama means Paramam full,perfection,all pervading and what not? Para brahmam,Parama gatih: refer the same.Why you interpret like a lawyer?.." You can only say like that.bcoz u r a vaishnava. none other than the vaishnavas will say like that. majority wins!! What you say is that vishnu is the greatest among the vedic demi-gods.
  18. i felt the thorn in your addressing "If your devi........" this is what you have said: "..If your Devi is really highest, then while killing Mahishaasura she should not have received divine weapons from all devas..." That story is meant to prove that Devi possess the powers of all the Devas.She includes everyone in her. "..When Vishnu starts to kill demons he does on his own without devas help..." i cant help laughing... check your silly point. vishnu always depends on others.i shall unwillingly quote some mythology to prove this.may mother forgive me if i am wrong. Vishnu has been given Mother Lakshmi by the Divine Mother so that he could live in riches.Vishnu is totally dependent on Lakshmi, the wealth goddess. While attacked by Madhu, Brahma called vishnu to help, but he couldnt come because he was affected by Devi as Nidra. When Brahma prayed to the nidra form of Devi,she made Vishnu free.So again he is dependent on Devi to be ready for action.When his fight with Madhu,kaitabha went on for yugas, the Supreme mother came to help him in his duty of protection of her universe,which was assigned to him. For transport, he depends on an eagle! for killing, he depends on the Sudarshana(which is a derivative of the mother's "SREE CHAKRA".) and how he got Hayagreeva form? wasnt it the devas(in your words, demigods) who replaced his head which was torn away by the bow?
  19. "..This is what happens to arrogant people with half-baked knowledge..." I have read the sahasranama link given by you and understood that it was a bigot who wrote it. At first he has given the correct meaning of "VISHVAM" ie material universe. then he goes on with his own interpretations to exalt vishnu.it is not fair. Let anyone other than the vaishnavas say...only then i could believe.
  20. "..he claims that Rama and Krishna are not purna avataras,..." It is true that they are not purna. only the vaishnavas say that they are purna. most occasions, they behaved lesser than ordinary humans. "...Paramam means nothing beyond it..." It is all about the vedic demigods.not the real unmanifest God. so may Vishnu be the greatest among the gods and goddesses mentioned in the Vedas.
  21. your assumptions on god are limited to the four-handed guy vishnu.ok go on that path and realise him so that in your later births you could worship Devi. it is actually the Supreme mother who took the form of vishnu and all the gods.that is why she is called VISHNU_ROOPINI so hating devi is hating vishnu. also,if you could, try to overcome the fundamentalism and hatred for Devi that you possess.
  22. this is wat you have said: "...So...Vedas also says Visnu is Parama and Agni is avamo(lowest) and all others occupy positions inbetween. Those who cannot understand properly get confused..." ============== may i ask wat is so peculiar in the above sentence to understand? it is plainly said without any hidden meanings. so there is no matter of proper understanding! and Vedas compare Vishnu and Agni!!! so that means they are all comparable....(in your words, demigods) Agni is the lowest among demi gods and Vishnu highest??? are they all of the same standards to be compared?? No wonder people go for much higher deities like Siva and Sakthi...they need something beyond the vedic demigods. I also found Devi as the supreme abode in the Devi Bhagavatam,MahaBhagavatam etc.She stands much above the trimurtis---Brahma,Vishnu and Rudra. God is infinite DONT TRY TO PUT INTO A BOX...OK??
  23. "..I wish to know where in Bhagavaan Vyasa says such a thing as you claim.." In the Sahasranama itself! cant believe? I can show you.The very first name is: Vishvam. now, Visvam means the material universe, the manifested Brahman. the very pathetic fact is that this was said by Lord Vyasa himself and in the very first name of His hymn. ================= "....How ? As per Vedas, Visnu is mentioned as supreme. If one says both are different and says sometimes this one is powerful and sometimes that one is powerful, only then this is called polytheism..........." No. polytheism means believing in the existence of more than one god/gods/demigods/goddess etc. If you believe like that, i am sorry ... you are a polytheist. And please dont mention the Vedas,it is full of contradictions.At some verse, it praise Vishnu , sometimes Rudra,sometimes Indra, some verses for Devi etc. It can only lead us to several pages of useless arguments just like we have seen in the thread "siva versus Vishnu" and so .
  24. "But now with full respect to the great controllers of material energy Shiva and Kali I have to present my arguments for Vishnu is the ONLY Supreme." =your arguments are silly.they can help only to excite hatred in the minds of ordinary devotees of mother/siva etc. Lord Vyasa Himself said that Vishnu is the material universe. Thanks for saying that Shiva and Kali rules it. "...I thought you would bringforth so many nectar like facts from great compostions on Devi side to prove her Maha Satvik nature..." I have already told you that Devi cant be limited to any natures. Vishnu is a limited Sattwik diety.His offerings are veg. That doesnt make Kali a demon. To say the forms of the Mother like Lakshmi,Saraswathy etc also dont accept sacrifice.Will you say that they are only eligible to be worshipped?and another form Kali is to be hated? I dont find these deities as different. I know that the supreme primordial Power(Shakthi) manifested into all these forms.(as we see in the MahaBhagavatam of Devi) In Vaikunda, we can see its Sattwik entity. In satya loka,its Rajasik; In MahaKailasa, its Tamsik. If anyone finds Siva, Vishnu etc different, he is a polytheist....sure!
  25. i noticed your post only today. i am surprised to see that you have so much hatred for Devi,Siva etc bottled up in your mind. In that case i dont want to argue.....in vain. and i dont want to lower myself like those polytheists arguing over supremacy of the forms Vishnu and Siva. I shall try to answer your logical questions. but for your hatred over the deities......i cant help please excuse me. (once in a thread i became angry over such provocations and i had to suffer the disgrace of the mother.i think She wants me to keep quiet.)
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