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Shrooti is not the exclusive reference of the Vedantins. For their unified exegesis, all three major Vedanta schools refer, as their primary scriptural authority, to the Upanishads, the Bhagavad Gita and the Vedanta Sutras. As you will see these are a mix of shrooti AND smirti. On the various threads I have noticed a predisposition to viewing the shrootis and other sacred texts as some sort of sole authority. However, there are several core means of valid knowledge (pramaana-s)accepted by the Vedantins. These are 1. perception (pratyaksha) 2. comparison (upamaana) 3. non-cognition (anupalabdhi) 4. inference (anumaana) 5. postulation (arthaapatti) and 6. testimony (shabda) - scriptural authority When Satyaraja suggests that the shrootis provide an abstract treatment of the Divine and that the theistic conclusion is a "decision", it does not mean that the conclusion (decision) is fanciful, arbitrary and un-vedantic. If the theistic conclusion from the shrooti is the result of correct inferences, logical comparisons and so on (i.e. VALID means of non scriptural knowledge), then these conlusions are authoritatively vedantic. [This message has been edited by talasiga (edited 06-22-2001).]

Dear Kailasa Mountain of this Forum What is it that you are rendering in Russian and why? Yours below Talasiga

Dear Amanpeter Thanks for your overview of the condition amongst us Although Only those that have reached can truly preach Surely We are all friends Boisterously pushing each other Closer to the Jamuna Talasiga

Dear Drummeraga actually my name IS pronounced talasiNGa. It is a Fijian name and in Fijian one does not write the N which goes with the G because in that language N is alays there with the G. As Satyaraja Dasa is in another part of the world and Fiji is such a small place, I wondered how he knew to pronounce this name. He must be a clever fox I thought. Talasiga PS For more about sacred Fiji see my poem in Travelogue section......

Perhaps, Animesh, because it is the first lessons that the author has written:>) I wished someone would answer my question too. Earlier I asked, "Pardon my ignorance, but what language did Krishna speak in the historical Vindiraban?"

I do believe you have capped your thread with blue cheese. How could anyone possibly respond if they are falling around laughing?

me thinks you are just a fantailed fox disguised as "a proud idiot" and why have you written my name as "talasinga"?

There is absolutely no implication in my statement that the relationship between Rukmini and Krishna is not loving. In the circumstances, I fail to see any relevant contrast by the following utterance of Satyaraja Das.

SHVU already accepts that Bhakti Marga is a path (marga) of liberation. SHVU's understanding of "liberation in the Supreme" would appear to be fettered by a focus on the the word "liberation" without taking into account "in the Supreme". From all the writings of Shvu, it appears that his interpretation of Moksha and Mukti are based on an understanding of these in the context of the material world, the known (ie freedom from the world). However the above passage would tend to show that the goal of freedom from material consciousness is freedom in the Supreme. That freedom in the Supreme must have Infinite range and scope including the Freedom to surrender to Pure Desire and the Freedom to lovingly serve the Supreme Being. Shvu's position would deny this free Capacity and seeks to constrain divine liberation within a mundane construct, and, by this very position undermines his own promotion of the superiority of Moksha.

Thank You Gauracandra for this. How could I have answered Shvu when I am not an iskconite? Shvu had said: " may I ask why thou an iskconite who art..... " [This message has been edited by talasiga (edited 06-20-2001).]

(You must have followed the thesis with the lighted torch pointed to your eyes :>) Following the thesis, if one aspires to the loving devotion between Radha and Krishna, one's service must be conveyed through Radha's Grace for in that relationship between Radha and Krishna, the only one besides Krishna is Radha alone. Rukmini may serve the Lord as Rukmini in relationship to Krishna but should she perceive Radha's Devotion as higher and desire that service she may only acquire it by Radha's Grace. And the presentation of argument regarding Lakshmi and the other Bhaktas is of the same order. [This message has been edited by talasiga (edited 06-20-2001).]

Dear Shvu Friend of leyh Fearless lone husky on a sliding sleigh may we have your definition of bhakti and nirvana too? Best wishes Talasiga

in a cave in the mountains circa 178deg 10min East, 17deg 30min South He resides Still intoxicated by the Lord's dancing footsteps

The Lord Graces as He chooses Please How can Talasiga explain?

Amanpeter You have probably offended Lakshmi already Take care.....

I have bathed my heart in the Ganga and quenched it by the Jamuna But surely it is the Rivers of Fiji which will carry me to the Divine

Just as being a protagonist does not require someone to be protagonised So being an antoganist does not infer you have antagonised anyone. Please relax - You are greatly appreciated

Dear leyh Such a very long response to such a short sighted view! But With antagonists like you Who needs friends? Lucky Shvu! Kindest Regards Talasiga

1. By the time the Mountain reached Mohammed Alas! It was all Rubble. 2. Why do you search a path across the River? Can you walk on water? Please take the Ferry of Devotion It is steered by One who is so enlightened that whichever shore he goes to He reaches the destination [This message has been edited by talasiga (edited 06-18-2001).] [This message has been edited by talasiga (edited 06-18-2001).]

All these Tantras, and Margas, and Darsanas, and Yogas are just different invitations. The invitation itself does not guarantee that Krishna will come to the Party. It is up to Him. His Grace. He may even came without ANY invitation. Gatecrashing. Typical!

Yes, of course there is - one is theory and the other is Real. The philosophers' Absolute is the discursive conclusion that invites the Grace of God.

For their unified exegesis, all three Darsanas refer, as their primary scriptural authority, to the Upanishads, the Bhagavad Gita and the Vedanta Sutras. Here is a "sruti mantra" from Isha Upanishad, often used in the Agni Hotra RITUAL when offering hawan samagri: Aum agne naye supathaa raaye asmaan vishvaani deva vayunaani vidvaan yuyodhi asmaj juhu raana meno bhooyish tthaante nama ukteem vidhema Svaahaa

They are brought together under the Moonlight as Footprints by the Jamuna

1. Seers acknowledge that "Ultimate Reality" is beyond description. It may be more precise and HELPFUL to say that Seers described their EXPERIENCE of It as xyz etc (eg Sat Chid Ananda or Sat Chid Ananda Vigraha). 2. Your typo in rendering Brahman as "Brahma" will confuse many.

Yes Satyaraja, back to the thread. Forgive the humourous interludes All roads lead to Rome but one need not travel them all to reach there! Roma Now!