anveshan

August Sir, You have mistaken and misunderstood my armchair philosophy. I did not say you eat animals or seeds. I expressed an opinion. I said nothing ‘ unnatural about eating habits or preferences’. And I hold that view. May be wrong to some, may be wrong to all. I do not differentiate between life forms. If some dogs and human kids are standing in front of me, I feed them equally. With equal affection. I do eat sometimes live things, knowing very well that I am destroying life-forms. NOT LIFE. None can chew up energy and savor it, whether of animals or plants. Eternal, immutable, ageless it is. Life –form is life form, animal or plant. It is unfortunate that we cannot sustain without destroying life forms. You only have to accept that both are life forms and we are destroying when we relish it. In spite of arguments and counter arguments, I find that meat eating is not unnatural. It is my opinion. Nothing religious about it. I have been living on a diet of ksheeram, patram, phalam and thoyam, for the last eight years. Now I can Relish bitter gourd and neem leaves raw. It is my option. I should not suggest that all others also should live on that. Regards =anveshanam=

There is nothing as 'holy' or 'unholy' names; that which you consider'holy' is 'holy' to you and 'unholy', 'unholy'. Place a snake in your heart, chant "nagarajasya namomyaham' a thousand times with deep devotion. The Brahmakumari school of Sanatana Dharma is a non-religious body. They asks you to chant"I am an atman" a thousand times with devotion and intensity. You may give a name to a metallic object, a stone or anything material and start chanting with devotion. You may chant Allah or Jehovah or Ravana. And slowly you feel that you are becoming one with IT, the Reality Ultimate. The object is not the subject of realization. It is the Supreme Energy. And all rivers, ultimately and inevitably, has to reach the Ocean. Your Naada melts into the Brahmam. Just like in Algebra, symbols are used to reach the End. I, a non-religeous person, recites the verses of Shankaracharyaduring my meditation. And through Vishwanath and Annapurna I seek to realize IT. In the process I get immense joy. If I were a born Muslim or taught to chant allahu akbar in my childhood, I would have chanted it and might have realized the same joy. The story of Narasimha, to my ignorant mind, is a story like that of panchatantra to educate us. Trying to convey a message. Lord of all beings do not prejudice between forms...matsya, koorma, varaha, nara or simha , all are equal to IT =anveshanam=

The reference should be symbolic. Because the Ultimate Reality who caused everything material abstract cannot and need not ask for alms. Everything belong to and is a part of that Single Whole. The Rajahs and Maharajahs offered IT gold and diamonds. Do not think he is purchased by those. Your patram and thoyam and their gold and diamond is the same thing to IT. IT cannot be appeased or enraged. You offer your mind, your conscience to IT in ultimate humility. "Who bears ill-will to none and forgives all, Who, emancipated from the ego sense of "I and Mine", Is compassionate and kind, Who reacts neither to pain nor joy, Who is ever contented, resolute and master of self, His mind and intellect focussed on me alone Such a devotee is near and dear to me" (12:13-14) And " Knowledge, friend, as a sacrifice is Greater than any material sacrifice. For, all actions culminate at last in knowledge" (4:33) So you need not offer anything material to IT, offer your mind and soul. =anveshanam=

August Sir, Whether it is " mahim sat sarva bhutani", 'ma nishada' or what the biblical god said "thou shall not kill" it is IT who said(am I correct?) And to my mind IT cannot differentiate or do not differentiate between ITs beings. All are of IT and belongs to IT. As I humbly submitted, life is life and living energy is living energy. To me a worm could be 'nikrushta', but not to IT who caused it. I taste and savour meat of the innocent deer just the same way I taste and savour an almond or cashew seed. I am mercilessly killing. When I slaughter, the first can make noises, the poor, defenceless latter cannot. So this view is narrow and prejudiced. The good lord is infallible. He cannot issue fallacious instructions like 'manishada' or 'thou shall not kill'. When IT knows that it is impractical. And IT has not made alternative arrangements. Let us avoid killing animals-both humans and non-humans- to the maximum. But let us not fight and spew venom on what should be eaten and not eaten. Nature has entrusted us with conservation, not destruction. Let us strive to fulfill it regards anveshanam

Dear Madhav, At the outset I told that I am an ignorant being and in fact I do not know whether I am a theist or atheist. But you didn't suggest about the specifics. If IT created, what was the purpose? For eg., I was happy at the dormant,(physically)increate state. In that state neither I feel pain or pleasure, love or hatred. Secondly, if IT created at-will, IT can conserve and destroy at-will. Thirdly the Omniscient and Omnipotent IT sent a host of avatars, prophets and 'only sons' to reform, guide, make us behave; all of them came and went. But the humans are as full of hatred and as vengeful, as he ever was. Did IT fail? Or did we fail to understand IT? Fourthly, while it gets appeased and flattered by chanting It's name, or the remembering of It, or doing those karma that It think's suits IT will only, It sometimes gets angered and vengeful if done otherwise. Why is not IT controlling and guiding us through IT's will? Please note that I am talking about the gods that religions propound. Not of the Energy Ultimate or the Reality Ultimate of which(I beleive)I am part of. Kindly note that this is not to offend any religious belief that you may hold but to know your views. So that I may get enriched. Regards =anveshanam=

That which is not concrete, that is abstract. That which cannot be sensed by the outer sense organs...=anveshanam

A profound historian or an archaeological expert is not needed to prove whether Ram Temple was razed to the ground and a Masjid built upon it. Knowledge of a little bit of oriental and so-called islamic history say it all. The barbaric Baber, to please his god, allah, raised it and rebuilt it. In the process he might have massacred thousands. But then religious history is the history of bloddy wars. All the temples of the ancient cultures were razed to the ground by the neo-religionists, the followers of the "only son" and the "last prophet". And wars of the holy cross and the crscent were fought between them, some churches were replaced by the house of the merciful one, after shedding much blood. The subjugated were massacred or tortured and coerced into conversion. History repeated itself. Babri Masjid was razed to the ground and Ram temple is in the offing. And it is absurd that chanting "haram" or "Gaur" one can appease god. That which can be appeased is not god. Or that wich get angered or is vengeful is not god. They are you and me: the animals. Ayodhya is not 'holy' or 'unholy'. Neither Mecca is. The entire cosmos is neither holy or unholy. Because It is beyond all the qualities and attributes. "isovasyamidam sarvam" =anveshanam=

Here is a subjected presented for discussion”Improper Justification to Meat Eating.” By vsd prasad. . The author seems to be offended by and worried about carnivorous humans. The humans those do not have a natural and historical perspective about meat-eating thinks within the four walls that religion constructed and they are perennial prisoners of their on obstinate beliefs. Prejudiced or perverted versions of their own religions tend them to think prejudicially. Logically and without favour or hatred think of these: 1. All beings are born of the Reality Ultimate(whose qualities and attributes remains to be a fathomless mystery). Beings, static and dynamic, has life in it. And “isovasyam idam sarvam” . Everything has the Ultimate Reality in it or are part of a single whole. 2. Those cereals and grains the vegetarians eat, are full of life. Think of a living being(that too who is helpless and cannot resist unlike the animals) mercilessly being pounded, made into a powder or paste or boiled. Think of a delicious cashew kernel chewed mercilessly between your carnivorous teeth. A seed which is thronging with life and can procreate itself…Same thing about some of the roots and tubers. 3. And of the ‘holy’ cow milk you say. Thousands of living organisms are in it. If you take it fresh, you are digesting it, if you are boiling it, you are boiling them alive. 4. The only difference is when you are killing a cow or goat, it cries or sheds blood . It may also resist. You can feel their pains with your outer sense-organs. To feel the pain of a seed, or a blossoming tree when it is cut, you need to use your abstract inner sense. 5. Now to those who say that the cow is holy or the pig is unholy. Nothing unholy about the things of Nature, living or non-living. Even the human excreta or the menstrual blood is not unholy. It is of the nature and goes into nature and is recycled naturally. The sum total of material forms remain static. We say something is “holy” or “unholy” because it does not conform to the social or religions ethos of our concepts of ‘beauty’ and ‘cleanliness’. If a poor goat or deer could be slaughtered and eaten, the cow and the pig is no exception, provided you like the taste and provided you eats it on your own. 6. In all societies animal sacrifice to appease the supernatural was prevalent in some form or other. In India and most of the afro-asian societies it is prevalent even today. Think of a God who gets too pleased with that. May be IT does not differentiate between vegetarian and non vegetarian beings. Both belongs to IT. 7. And finally, the Hindu, Muslim and Christian connotations to eating habits. The tiger is ferocious, but it kills when only it is hungry or disturbed. Likewise a snake is venomous. But it bites only when it is hurt or disturbed. Unfortunately the ‘crown of beings’ is filled with most venomous of venom. Hatred. It is that venom which made Rama with a Parasu to annihilate and wipe out the Kshatriya community 21 times. It is that venom that ruled the able Arabian warrior and administrator, Mohammed to torture, subjugate or annihilate pagans and kafirs, for his allah did not like them. Very simple. “My IT is true, thine is not” Kindly note that this is not with fear or favour to any religion. =anveshanam=

In reply to Shri. Theist ======================== Whatever I wrote does not mean a disrespect to IT ; whether It is He or She or It is debated by religions. To some It is formless, to some She, and to some other He. To me It is Consciousness Absolute. In the ultimate analysis, Consciousness Absolute, though abstract, can will. regards anveshanam

Iso vasyam idam sarvam. The Cause and at the same the Effect. The Formless who takes forms. The Reality Ultimate. The Fathomless Mystery. We are simply ignorant of It. Krishna was not, to my mind, God, the concept. He is part of It, as we all are. The ant, the elephant, Gautama, the Buddha and Socretes and Zarathushtra all are part of It. Great and small, light and dark, that is Nature. There is no religion called Hinduism. Only Sanatana Dharma, the path to eternal values. As all the rivers has to reach the ocean ultimately, so we have to. Whether the great Krishna was God Itself or not, I am sure that he did not belong to India or the Hindus only. Such a sublime and profound philosophy nobody else has given. " Never was there a time When you or I Or these chieftains and kings were non-existent Nor shall ever come a time When any of us will cease to exist" (2.11-12) He includes us all, including himself. And he reasons: " That which is non-existent never can come into beingnor it can ever cease to be" (2.16) "One is never born nor dies at any time Nor once he comes to be , ever ceases to be" The Ultimate Reality is, he says " Unborn, immutable, eternal and ageless...It is unmanifest, unthinkable and inconceivable" Such a lofty philosohy is not seen anywhere. It is scientific and logical. Not attached to any religions. Energy can neither be created nor destroyed. It can only change forms. If anybody could be adored and worshipped for the philosophy he expounded, it is only Krishna. =anveshanam=

DID RAMA EAT MEAT? There are references in Aranya Kanda that Sita was drying hare meat in the sun on a rock in the forest and in Sundara Kanda that Rama has stopped eating meat. Likewise there are several references in the Srutis and Smritis about ancient Indians eating meat, bovine or otherwise. One should understand that Sanatana Dharma is not a religion, but a philosophy, an anveshan and a guide to Ultimate Reality. It is most liberal and tolerant of all paths to Realization. Whether Indians ate meat or are still eating it is not its theme. Similarly it does not bar a person being monogamous, polygamous or polyandrous. And if we study and analyse the Srutis and Smritis deeply, we would understand the meaning of Brahmana or Vipra or Dwija. Later, vested interests converted it into a rigid caste system to exploit others and the Brahmana-Kshatriya coalition became an oligarchy.(Just as in the days of Monasticism in Europe, the reading and study of Bible was barred to the common people by the priestly and the feudal class.) Jesus Christ or Christianity cannot be blamed for that. Likewise, idol worship. You may worship an idol or you may not. The Formless Ultimate Reality is the Cause and Effect at the same time. Naturally he assumes material forms, including you and me. There were rationalists, atheists and pure matrialists who contributed to the philosophy that is Sanatana Dharma. You may worship even Jesus Christ but Hinduism does not subscibe to the theory that he is the "Only Son" and all others who do not follow him are pagans and outcastes. Sanatana Dharma is Eternal Values. Values that are Eternal, Increate and Without Attributes. To my mind that should be same to you and me. That is the beauty of Sanatana Dharma, and Sanatana Dharma only.