Bhakta Don Muntean

Take a look in any newspaper or news web site owned by American media corporations and you will find articles about the "bad guys" with beards.

 

On this web site too, do you ever see anything good being said about Muslims? But Bhakta Don has lots of explanations for the atrocities committed by Ariel Sharon and other demons. Just take a look at some of the past threads

Well I would ask that you go and find exact posted examples of what you claim:

Bhakta Don has lots of explanations for the atrocities committed by Ariel Sharon and other demons. Just take a look at some of the past threads

So - to just say that isn't the way it's done. I would say that you're trying to earn points in a dirty manner and - you know most won't go and 'read' these past threads and why don't you point to exact postings?

Who are 'you' dear guest and - how can the readers follow your posted opinions and - how much do you 'need' such anonymity?

I have noted many things about many things in 'past threads' - if they exist - go find these 'biased' examples [in context of course] and place them on the table here [with URLs] and then we'll talk.

You shall also have to create some screen name for yourself - i don't waste too much time with trying to sort the variuos postings of the many ghostly 'guests' hiding in the shadows. Of course - I don't think you shall create any such 'name' by which we can search and compare your various postings.

er....

in your revolutionary mop-up ops, who will decide who lives and who are the 'demonic powers' that must perish? this is the inevitable result of a crusade.

the problem with political types is they are so certain about what is best for humanity that they don't mind snuffing the dissenters. this has happenned in every revolution.

as for the swp, i don't know about britain but here in the usa they are trotskyites. i know, my aunt and uncle were members and i belonged to the ysa. trotsky was responsible, with his 'anti-god society' for destroying more

religious buildings and murdering more priests and nuns than hitler himself. solzhenitsyn says that in the gulag some folks reckoned "trotsky would have been WORSE than stalin"

oh well, as long as your not a hypocrite and willing to carry out the killings yourself and not make your comrades do it for you!

'by our ideals are we known to others'--srila b.r. sridhar

Very nice posting! I especially liked the succinct explanation of "trotskyites"...

um, why are you asking this?

Uhm - why do you care?

The nobel peace prize went to an Islamist this year for helping millions rise above their poverty.

They can't all be bad, surely!

It would certainly help if some of these western leaders and banks around the world took a leaf out of this Muhammod Yunus' book.

Just goes to show it's what part of an instruction one focuses on and follows that counts.

Islamist and Islamic are two different terms - with two very different meanings - Islamists do not speak for mainstream Islam - that you cannot understand that - isn't my problem - it's your problem.

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It would certainly help if some of these western leaders and banks around the world took a leaf out of this Muhammod Yunus' book.

Reply:

Actually - it's the Islamist world which should learning the 'proper perspective' out of the example of the noted fellow...

these types of behavior on BOTH sides only fuel the war and hatred. will you condemn ALL such hate mongering BDM?

Well for the last five years that's what I've been doing - I have hundreds of postings here that are very critical of Israel and the U.S. on many points - you just choose to deny these postings - it's you who doesn't "condemn ALL such hate mongering" when you defend president psycho of Iran...along with all others of his islamist ilk.

as a president of USA Carter had access to more facts than you or me ever will. I admire his courage in facing the Jewish mob bent on lynching him in public for daring to speak the obvious truth about Israeli atrocities and their true intentions. That is why propaganda workers like you hate him with a passion.

Now it's a "jewish mob" not the 'zionist mob' - yup yer an anti-semite and - not much of a devotee. I'll say it again - Carter is a jack-ass who is making a very big mistake.

[...] carter created peace between egypt an israel[...]

Really 'carter' made peace?? There is one difference - the leader of Egypt was an honorble person and the leaders of Iran and Syria are not - what to speak of the leaders of Hamas - the leader of Egypt wasn't hate personified with an islamist agenda - Oh and what was the result of this - for the national leader of Egypt? As for the rest of your posting -

Carter is a jack-ass who doesn't know the facts - or - he does and he's too stupid to see them for what they are...in a "convert or die" scenario - we know what his choice would be...

This democrat idiot has a history you know....

Why would you need to give it up? "Whatever you do, do for Me."

 

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So role-play your way to Superstardom and offer it to the Divine!

Here is our Lord Rama (i call Him 'Ramelshaddai') [which i made in 1996 - i didn't make the shield bow and mace - those were made by my godbrother] - the other two (Gopal Krishna) are the first that i made - in 1990 [i'm not an artist nor very good with crafts - but - i did pull these together and i think they look okay] - please excuse the poor pic quality - they were taken in 'no light' as the halogen spots are too bright - i'm experimenting with manual photos and i may be able to improve low light pics and not moving the camera helps too]

Here is our Lord Rama [which i made in 1996 - i didn't make the shield bow and mace - those were made by my godbrother] - please excuse the poor pic quality - they were taken in 'no light' as the spots are too bright - i'm experimenting with manual photos and i may be able to improve low light pics and not moving the camera helps too]

you should look in the mirror for hate mongers. actually hate mongering among Jews is very, very common, I see it all the time, this forum included.

...i'm no hate monger! Islamists are [hate personified] freaks and that is that.

suuure... I have seen the same lame "logic" when people compared Bush to Hitler and US to the Third Reich this is all pure propaganda BS.

The president of iran has more in common [than not] with hitler [than the average hate monger] and - so do you too. At least when it comes to them bent views on jews and their religion etc., you know it and - so do the others who follow these discussions...

"Iran and Nazism", what the heck does this have anything to do with a Vaishnava forum?

OFF TOPIC!

- this is the "World Review" thread - not the "Vaishnava Review" thread...

Our Vienna Rabbi Moishe Aryeh Friedman joins the Iran meeting and somehow causes quite some agitation among many.

 

Iran meeting questions Holocaust and gas chambers

 

Mon Dec 11, 2006 2:37 PM GMT

 

By Parisa Hafezi

 

Rabbi Moishe Aryeh Friedman

 

TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran staged a conference on Monday to debate the Holocaust and question whether Nazi Germany used gas chambers, prompting charges it was encouraging the denial of the killing of 6 million Jews from 1933 to 1945. The leader of the powerful anti-Zionist Viennese Jewish ultra-orthodox sect, Rabbi Moishe Aryeh Friedman, has made headlines for himself once again. Last time he did it by associating with neonazi Holocaust deniers. The Rabbi, whose credentials have been questioned, has formed an alliance with the Hamas. According to an article in Ha'aretz:

 

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Friedman is chief rabbi for hundreds of anti-Zionist orthodox Jews in Vienna but is shunned by Austria's 7,000-member Israelite Religious Community because of views that are repudiated by most Jews and also, in some cases, embraced by far-rightists.

Friedman also denies Israel's right to exist and has said Zionist Jews share the blame for the Holocaust, which he sees as punishment for straying from God's path. ...

So that is very sad indeed! About five years back I used to think that the neturei karta was a good thing - however - as i learned more about their very limited understandings [and other stuff too] I had to come to understand that the neturei karta are extremists too.

*These noted orthodox followers are interpreting that they cannot return to Jerusalem to renew the State - without the messiah. But they should embrace the renewed State - for the following reasons and - more.

The children of Ephraim were as archers handling the bow, that turned back in the day of battle. [Psalms 78.9]

So best to be not now - like them then.

In that day, saith the LORD, will I assemble her that halteth, and I will gather her that is driven away, and her that I have afflicted; And I will make her that halted a remnant, and her that was cast far off a mighty nation; and the LORD shall reign over them in mount Zion from thenceforth even for ever. [Micah 4.6-7]

Of course the messiah that is expected - shall not be seen through any second advent of Jesus - because Jesus isn't the prophetically expected messiah - the 'why not' part of that - is a whole other discussion .

So it should be noted that the expected messiah [a complex subject matter] - is a human being - not God - not an incarnation [partial or otherwise] he isn't a demigod - he isn't a 'supernatural' nor divine being at all. - though he is 'different' - in that he has a 'general soul' or - a 'slightly universal' soul.

He doesn't have magic powers. Like in the days of old - God shall work the wonders - during the messianic age.

So what are a few points about this - in the Prophetic tradition.

But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig-tree; and none shall make them afraid; for the mouth of the LORD of hosts hath spoken. For let all the peoples walk each one in the name of its god, but we will walk in the name of the LORD our God for ever and ever. [Micah 4.4-5]

In that quote we see that the messianic age - shall be multi-faith.

But thou, Beth-lehem Ephrathah, which art little to be among the thousands of Judah, out of thee shall one come forth unto Me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth are from of old, from ancient days. Therefore will He give them up, until the time that she who travaileth hath brought forth; then the residue of his brethren shall return with the children of Israel. [Micah 5.1-2]

In that quote we see that the messiah's maternal roots could be traced to this place [Beth-lehem]. To say 'which art little to be among the thousands of Judah' indicates that this was an obscure place - not a place of greatness.

It is a misnomer that he is to be born in Beth-lehem - clearly the texts confirm he is born among the exiles.

In saying 'out of thee shall one come forth unto Me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth are from of old, from ancient days' confirms that he has been reincarnating toward this point for a long time - 'whose goings forth are from of old, from ancient days'.

We also see that Beth-lehem shall not be a part of a State of Israel 'until the time that she who travaileth hath brought forth' or - he is born - the text says 'Therefore will He give them up' - so is he talking about Beth-lehem - the Hebrew people in exile [and thus Jursalem] or - both?

The full point is 'Therefore will He give them up, until the time that she who travaileth hath brought forth; then the residue of his brethren shall return with the children of Israel' - so 'them' indentifies - both those in exile and - Beth-lehem.

So they 'shall return' to where - to an already renewed and infant State or - to just a geographical location or - both?

We must consider that were it not for Jesus and the Faith surronding him - Beth-lehem would certainly have become a nearly deserted and forgotten place [by the time messiah is born somewhere in the exile] and - for Hebrews it [was] is an 'obscure place' a place of 'no mention'.

So we have to then ask - when did Beth-lehem again become part of a State of Israel?

It was on June 05, 1967 - so 'He [will] give them up, until the time that she who travaileth hath brought forth and - that then should indicate that - he must have to be born just prior to that event.

Consider 'He [will] give them up until the time that she who is to give birth has given birth' - the word 'until' is important - so they are no longer 'given up' right after he is born and - if the messiah is to [alone] accomplish all this - how would he do so - as an infant child? So the use of 'until' means that as soon as he is born - no more position of being 'given up' or seperated from the renewed State.

We can also add that the formal reclamation of all of Jerusalem could/would also coincide with this noted event:

Now why dost thou cry out aloud? Is there no King in thee, is thy Counsellor perished, that pangs have taken hold of thee as of a woman in travail? [Micah 4.9]

After that - there is this description in Zechariah 1.14-17:

...so the angel that spoke with me said unto me: 'Proclaim thou, saying: Thus saith the LORD of hosts: I am jealous for Jerusalem and for Zion with a great jealousy; and I am very sore displeased with the nations that are at ease; for I was but a little displeased, and they helped for evil. Therefore thus saith the LORD: I return to Jerusalem with compassions: My house shall be built in it, saith the LORD of hosts, and a line shall be stretched forth over Jerusalem. Again, proclaim, saying: Thus saith the LORD of hosts: My cities shall again overflow with prosperity; and the LORD shall yet comfort Zion, and shall yet choose Jerusalem.

So that part - 'I am jealous for Jerusalem and for Zion with a great jealousy; and I am very sore displeased with the nations that are at ease; for I was but a little displeased, and they helped for evil.' - that means that God is angry at the nations of the world for it's treatment of His exiled because He was 'but a little displeased' and yet the nations after the exile were to have 'helped for evil' [or helped forward the afflications] and they were 'at ease' with doing so - thus God says 'I am jealous for Jerusalem and for Zion with a great jealousy' - so when we see fruition of the Micah 5.1-2 events we see that God permits all of Jerusalem to be again under an Israeli State.

The State of Israel was first reclaimed after WWII - after the well known last general pogrom [directly under the Nazis and other's indirectly] came to an end - as noted in that quote God thinks that the world could have done more to prevent so much loss and instead they were 'at ease' with the Nazis - for too long - and God sanctioned this renewal - but - with this renewed State - there was a line as it were through [dividing] Jerusalem - until 1967.

It should be mentioned that many propagandists have taken Zechariah 14.2 - 'For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, but the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.' - to mean that there shall be a future war there and 'the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city' - but this not so - as that was fulfilled in 30 C.E. - with the Exile - it should be noted that Muslim rulers later allowed the reestablishment of a Jewish community in Jerusalem thus 'the residue of the people [that] shall not be cut off from the city' means that even after the exile the people were being enabled by God - for a return to a former status as a State or - the end of the Exile!

In text 3-4 we read that sometime after the exile comes "The Day of the Lord" - we note this point in texts three and four:

Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when He fighteth in the day of battle. And His feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleft in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, so that there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

So God indeed left mercy and an open door through this 'residue of the people [that] shall not be cut off from the city' - so that means that at some point [after the 30 C.E. exile] - the residue of the exile again comes to Jerusalem.

Additionally - if the world ends up in a sorry state over this point - there may well come this 'vist' - that produces a mountain dividing earthquake - so - in text 7 we read - And there shall be one day which shall be known as the LORD'S, not day, and not night; but it shall come to pass, that at evening time there shall be light. - of course we 'everyone' have choices - that impact everything.

So to the point again - there must have been a State of Israel - already in existence and intended by God - before the time of his birth - as noted by 'then the residue of his brethren shall return with the children of Israel' - it means that there is a State for him and his family and 'the children of Israel' to return to.

So yes these are my humble interpretations but - it could well be that he is already here - what aspects of the future of the State of Israel [and the world] are to be impacted by his appearance - is another discussion.

One thing is sure - whenever it is that he is born - there must have been a State of Israel - already in existence and intended by God [with a securing of Beth-lehem and [all of] Jerusalem with the timing of his birth] - before the time of his birth - as noted by 'then the residue of his brethren shall return with the children of Israel' - it means that there is already a State for him and 'the residue of his family' and 'the children of Israel' to return to.

We can see within this last quote [and through the other's so far] that there is a clear allusion to an exisiting Jerusalem and State - to the seeming surprise of God [and the remant of the people who later begin to return] some time before messiah is born - further - we've seen that God is to show-up in anger - which is noted as being - directed toward the nations - for their helping forward the afflictions of His exiled - when He was 'only a little displeased' - so - at the end of the last and worst pogrom [nazi] God indeed 'showed up' to reclaim Jerusalem and - as expected and 'planned' - He was 'surprised' to see some of His exiled - already there and - because He was sore displeased with the nations - for their 'at ease' adventures in the continual pogroms - He was pleased with finding some remant of His exiled there and He thus began the process - for messiah to be born and - coinciding it with the removal of the dividing-line through Jerusalem:

And the word of the LORD of hosts came, saying: 'Thus saith the LORD of hosts: I am jealous for Zion with great jealousy, and I am jealous for her with great fury. Thus saith the LORD: I return unto Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem; and Jerusalem shall be called The city of truth; and the mountain of the LORD of hosts The holy mountain. Thus saith the LORD of hosts: There shall yet old men and old women sit in the broad places of Jerusalem, every man with his staff in his hand for very age. And the broad places of the city shall be full of boys and girls playing in the broad places thereof. Thus saith the LORD of hosts: If it be marvellous in the eyes of the remnant of this people in those days, should it also be marvellous in Mine eyes? saith the LORD of hosts. [Zechariah 8.1-6]

So later - when the House of The Lord is reestablished by the Lord [and ONLY by the direct efforts of messiah not just the State itself can do this - and it musn't be through violence] - we note this point:

Take with you words, and return unto the LORD; say unto Him: 'Forgive all iniquity, and accept that which is good; so will we render for bullocks the offering of our lips. [Hosea 14.3]

One sad part of this is that messsiah's appearance shall be marked with spurious claims by others - that he is the anti-christ/al-dajjal.

* http://www.audarya-fellowship.com/forums/world-review/412156-orthodox-jews-demand-end-zionist-atrocities-middle-east.html

So I wonder if Rabbi Moishe Aryeh Friedman really understands these things and if he doesn't - why not?

And I could suggest you look up on history of Nazism and what Hitler preached in 1930s to the point of starting war with Poland and the rest of the Europe by 1939. You WILL find similiarities between Adolf Hitler and Ahmednijab. Hell ... it is not so far if we consider Ahmadnijab to be reincarnation of Hitler.

 

Nazism started with a political and patriotism tone to it - same way Ahmednijab does it. Hitler used the Great Depression of 1920s to pushed Germans into being anti-Semantic toward Jews who were better in term of Economic and Social.

 

Those twisted Patrotism gave way to violence, hatred and fear (that Jews will take over) and become a full-fledged war in 1939.

 

And the same way Ahmednijab have threanten the U.N now, it is the same way Hitler showed off the UN back then as well, stating that it is political things and that UN have no business interfering with Germany's political actions.

Yes it's quite...simple for the simple - difficult for the twisted...

They are so little.

 

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Bugs are not envious of full of anger toward you when they attack. They are just mining your body. They are no different toward us as we are to the Earth Planet.

 

So there is no trouble for you in not killing them. The trouble is actions of anger, and those who get angry at bugs enough to kill them have serious problems.

 

Cirecumstance changes things though. While driving down a mountain road with a full truck in a rainstorm, If a hornet lands on your chest and takes a big chunk of your body, It may be prudent to wipe him out, but not in anger, just as a way to keep you from barrelling into the gully.

 

Haribol, ys, mahaksadasa

Good point about 'anger' - that - taken with the question of 'ego' shall be the defining point in this.

Once back in 1997 we had this common house fly in our apt - he was alone and he was always flying around trying to pester us - he was trying to play - anyway - he was a clever and a neat fly - he survived for almost a month [on a small bowl of sugar water] and then one morning i was angry and he kept flying around me and because i was angry and it was an annoyance i grabbed the newspaper and well the rest is a sad story.

I felt very nasty and low right after i did that and - as a result - i learnt a great deal [most importantly about myself] in that experiance.

How often do people 'off' bugs in anger because of a simple annoyance? Often with the sense of subtle 'ego' and having a sense of power over that creature - to terminate it - without doubt there are even some places in our world where people 'off' hapless people - in the exact same egoistic and angry manner - as most others do to simple little bugs.

Some people really are 'death personified' for these little creatures!

I had another neat experience some years later - in the workplace - often few flies would get into the office and rather than catch them and let them go - my co-workers would hunt them [as people tend to do with flies] and as time went on i would 'protect' the flies [try to catch some of them for release] and it didn't take long for them to figure out if they were being chased - to fly over to my desk - as they would not be terminated there. It really got the attention of my co-workers!

Yes there are times that we may have to do the needfull and remove various pests and rodents - but - we should never do it in anger. Also as noted in this thread - when doing this - we have to see to it in each time and circumstance the why and how is in proper perspective.

One should treat animals such as deer, camels, asses, monkeys, mice, snakes, birds and flies exactly like one’s own son. How little difference there actually is between children and these innocent animals. [sB 7.19.9]

Olmert's nuclear slip-up sparks outrage in Israel

Phillipe Naughton – Times Online December 12, 2006

 

Ehud Olmert, the Israeli Prime Minister, faced calls for his resignation today after admitting - in an apparent slip of the tongue - that Israel has got nuclear weapons.

 

But Israeli officials tried to push the cat back into the bag, denying that Mr Olmert had made any such admission and falling back on the Jewish state's policy of "nuclear ambiguity".

 

Widely considered the Middle East’s sole nuclear power, Israel has for decades refused to confirm or deny whether it possesses the atomic bomb. Mr Olmert appeared to break that taboo in an interview with a German television station as he began a visit to Berlin.

 

"We never threatened any nation with annihilation," Mr Olmert, speaking in English, told the N24 Sat1 station.

 

"Iran openly, explicitly and publicly threatens to wipe Israel off the map. Can you say that this is the same level, when they are aspiring to have nuclear weapons, as France, America, Russia and Israel?"

 

Mr Olmert’s spokeswoman, Miri Eisin, was quick to deny that the Prime Minister had admitted to Israel having nuclear weapons, saying that "Israel will not be the first country to introduce nuclear weapons to the region."

 

Israel's Negev nuclear research centre has been capable of creating nuclear-grade weapons material since the early 1960s, but has never been subject to inspection by the International Atomic Energy Agency.

 

The IAEA has said, however, that it considers Israel "to be a state possessing nuclear weapons" and proliferation experts reckon that it could have more than 100 devices.

 

Israel's policy of silence also allows it to skirt a US ban on funding countries that proliferate weapons of mass destruction and collect about $2 billion a year in military and other aid.

 

Mr Olmert's blunder came less than a week after Israeli officials rounded on Robert Gates, the incoming US Defence Secretary, for making the same slip-up during his Senate confirmation hearings.

 

"The staggering comments of Ehud Olmert only serve to reinforce the doubts on his capacity to remain Prime Minister," said Yossi Beilin, a leftist MP.

 

Yuval Steinitz, from the opposition Likud bloc, Yuval Steinitz called on Mr Olmert to step down after having made "an irresponsible slip which puts into question a policy that dates back almost half a century".

 

Meanwhile, observers warned that Mr Olmert’s statement threatened to undercut efforts by Israel and the West to prevent Iran from pursuing its nuclear programme, which Tehran says is for civilian purposes and the West fears is a cover for acquiring atomic weapons.

 

Mordechai Vanunu, who served 18 years in jail after blowing the whistle on Israel’s nuclear program in 1986, welcomed the comment.

 

"Olmert’s remark is nothing new, but it is a good thing that Israel decided to make it public," he told AFP.

 

"The world should now not only talk about Iran but also about Israel as a nuclear threat that has to be dealt in order to make a nuclear-free Middle East and bring peace."

 

In scrambling to contain the damage, Israeli officials said that Mr Olmert’s slip would not change the decades-old policy of silence on the country's nuclear capacity.

 

"I support the policy of ambiguity and I don’t see Olmert’s statement as a declaration that Israel has nuclear weapons," said Benjamin Ben-Eliezer, the Infrastructure Minister. "I would suggest that all those who want to talk about the issue, for God’s sake and for the sake of Israel’s security, stop it."

 

A senior Government official added: "This is a real slip of the tongue which was not planned. It is embarrassing for Israel particularly when it is dealing with such a sensitive issue. But this does not change a thing. Our policy stays the same."

....oh by the way - this posting is off-topic don't ya know...

Nuclear weapons in the Holy Land - what else could cause God's wrath to bring bad luck upon this place?

...doing NOTHING as the islamic revolution gains total control over the region....

<table><tbody><tr><td valign="top">Source: bbc</td></tr><tr><td> </td><td valign="top">Published: December 12, 2006 </td></tr><tr><td> </td><td valign="top"></td></tr></tbody></table><!-- -->Why are Jews attending a conference on the Holocaust in Tehran at which star guests include deniers of the genocide? Clue: they also want an end to the Israeli state.

 

A handful of Orthodox Jews have attended Iran's controversial conference questioning the Nazi genocide of the Jews - not because they deny the Holocaust but because they object to using it as justification for the existence of Israel. With their distinctive hats, beards and side locks, these men may, to the untrained eye, look like any other Orthodox believers in Jerusalem or New York. But the Jews who went to Tehran are different.

 

Some of them belong to Neturei Karta (Guardians of the City), a group of a few thousand people which views Zionism - the movement to establish a Jewish national home or state in what was Palestine - as a "poison" threatening "true Jews".

 

A representative, UK-based Rabbi Aharon Cohen, told the conference he prayed "that the underlying cause of strife and bloodshed in the Middle East, namely the state known as Israel, be totally and peacefully dissolved". In its place, Rabbi Cohen said, should be "a regime fully in accordance with the aspirations of the Palestinians when Arab and Jew will be able to live peacefully together as they did for centuries".

Neturei Karta...a very small and radical group - one that has failed to understand many things - with the result being that they are on side with the terroirists in the dissolution of Israel....and what a lack of class for them to go to Iran for such a gathering of hate mongers.

"Iran and - the new Nazism"

 

I suggest you look up the word nazism in the dictionary and see if it applies to Iran. Is Iran a national socialist state? you are just spreading fake propaganda using big words most people dont understand but associate with evil. your guru Goebbels would have been proud...

...you know darn well what i mean - as one example - the president of iran accepts the protocals of the elders of zion as some factual historical zionist document - [just like you do?!] and - why do so many islamists ascribe to "socialism" as a means to buy the palestinian and lebanese populations?

Since these people in Iran never witnessed what actually happened why would they want to report about it? Just another newspaper hoax to start a war.

Yes - that appears to be the situation...a war to induce their islamic revolution.

"Iran opened a conference on Monday to examine the Holocaust and question whether Nazi Germany used gas chambers to kill Jews...The conference was inspired by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad..."

http://ca.news./s/reuters/061211/world/international_iran_holocaust_dc

Yup - me thinks he's going to hell...

...anyway - this is an old issue and i'm not interested in it now.