Bhakta Don Muntean

India also has a 300 million strong middle class which in itself is 20 times that of the entire Israeli population. So please shed your paranoia about India being a economic colony of Israel.

 

Also please get rid of your Israeli -Jewish phobia, considering the fact that as a people, they have suffered very much because of it.

Very good points!

After reading this crazy stuff too , I don't know about the other guys, but I have already decided to label this as utmost nonsense and hyperbole. I have read a lot of crazy stuff in posts by other people , but this beats them all.

Dito - i wonder if the writer can present sources? It's bunk thus i don't have to wonder why they didn't.

I would like to say that anyone reading my old thread 'the origins of the Satan myth and its impact to global politics' aught to know that my opinions on many things have changed since posting that thread.

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Specifically - but not limited to - the issues of the so-called freedom fighters - they are NOT freedom fighters. They are terrorists. As noted in other later postings by me on these threads – the Palestinian cause has been too long usurped by the islamists.

I also accept that a preemptive strike on Iran’s nuclear program has its merits and - Israel cannot give up the Golan Heights.

There isn't going to be any one world government nor one world religion neither by one competing with another for domination nor from a melting of everything into one - but - there shall be one day - an international cooperation and respect that could look like a one world government just due to harmony.

timesofindia.com

 

PURI, INDIA, March 3, 2007: After more than 18 hours of debate, the food cooked for approximately 7,000 devotees at Puri's Jagannath Temple was thrown away on Friday. A number of priests had insisted the prasadam (food blessed by the Deity) be discarded because it had been defiled by the entry of an American non-Hindu into the temple. The mahaprasad that went to waste was estimated to be worth around US$6,800.

 

The throwing away of such a huge quantity of food coincided with police confirming that the US national, Paul Roediger, had managed to gain entry through a temple priest. On Thursday, priests suddenly noticed a white man near the sanctum sanctorum, infamous for barring entry to Thai princess Maha Chakri Sirindhorn in 2005.

 

"People enter in groups and there is always the possibility of someone sneaking in," said temple administrator, Suresh Mohapatra. Police detained Mr. Roediger, who is 59, for five hours for allegedly violating the age-old temple tradition which bars non-Hindus, especially those who consume "objectionable food," from entering the shrine. Puri police said no case has been registered because there is no law under which Mr. Roediger can be charged. "Since there is no law to punish Roediger, the temple administration asked him to pay $5.00 for the mahasnana (purification ritual)," the police said.

....i bet that hindus who eat meat are given entry though...

The words to this 1980's tune go well with this poster i made...

 

"Mad World"

 

All around me are familiar faces

Worn out places, worn out faces

Bright and early for their daily races

Going nowhere, going nowhere

And their tears are filling up their glasses

No expression, no expression

Hide my head I want to drown my sorrow

No tomorrow, no tomorrow

And I find it kind of funny

I find it kind of sad

The dreams in which I'm dying

Are the best I've ever had

I find it hard to tell you

'Cos I find it hard to take

When people run in circles

It's a very, very

Mad World

Children waiting for the day they feel good

Happy Birthday, Happy Birthday

Made to feel the way that every child should

Sit and listen, sit and listen

Went to school and I was very nervous

No one knew me, no one knew me

Hello teacher tell me what's my lesson

Look right through me, look right through me

 

[NOTE: look for the 'Gary Jules' version - it's WAY better than the original]

 

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In my thread cease fire too soon? i did a post where i contrasted the song 'mad world' with a serious issue in our world. Shame of those who think that an indoctrination such as that experianced by islamist children is proper.

Shame on those who would exploit and cheat their children like this!

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I think that there having never been wars and religious contentions between hindus and jews shows that the problems these two have had with a certain 'other' group - is the fault of that 'other' group - these 'others' are the ones who cannot get along with jews and hindus [and other groups too]...

So it looks like them knucklehead leaders of the KILLERS are ignoring the U.N. and as usual - the U.N. hasn't any grasp on this:

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What does it mean to "perfect" life's needs? What are life's needs? Sure, it's a slogan, but I don't see how it will connect with anyone.

The needs that are met [the tasks thus done well] with the various products made by Philips.

What are these 'products' and what are they used for - these are the needs noted.

So with 'Philips' these various devices [tools] use less like external objects and more like extensions of the user.

What "needs" does life have? Certainly not consumer electronics. Life comes from life. It is PEOPLE who "need" the products Philips manufactures. At best, this ad reeks of philosophical impersonalism; at worst it's just a non-sequitur.

 

Also, does one really want to "perfect" a "need"? A need is a deficiency; to perfect a deficiency is to make that deficiency as keenly felt as possible. If the slogan's point is that Philips' goal is to make people feel as needy as possible, the slogan may be acceptable. if, however, Philips wants to convey the sense that their products RELIEVE or even just MEET people's needs, a different slogan would be advisable.

Yah okay - i wasn't asking for a 'philosophical' disertion - it's not an AD for hare krishna television...

Notwithstanding the fact that it's an AD idea for what you can call 'maya' it has it's point - it is a simple play on ideas and - i think you seem too 'dry' in the imagination department - to appreciate it.

In life we have tools - tools to live and tools to enjoy - the idea in this AD is that 'philips' has 'perfected these needs' - by innovations to these various tools - to transform the needs themselves.

Take the radio - they have made radios for many years - there was a 'need' created through communities wanting to share news from a central source - and as the years have gone by - innovation brought the simple need of radio - to its greater potential....

Thank you for your input!

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Here is a simple animation/AD which I put together - of course it's not state of the art in presentation but - it conveys the idea - so what do people think of this AD idea? Do you think Philips might like it?

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UPDATE:

 

Okay so our noted application is proceeding on the point of the government agency's 'sacred' consultations and deliberations - we have to file the other items in a seperate motion and - of course - we shall be doing that.

 

I'll have more to say when the judge has completed this case...

Of course - we're still awaiting the court's judicious decison...please stand by

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Here is the actual link that opens:

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...Armed forces people give up their lives and catch terorists ,but what is the conviction rate of these terrorists?Police and armed forces are under the scanner for human rights,what about the human rights of the family members who loose their near and dear ones to the terrorists bullets?

Very sober points there which you've made!

It is sad - especially this point; 'what about the human rights of the family members who loose their near and dear ones to the terrorists bullets' - For those who lose their family and friends in terror attacks the success of the 'war on terror' takes on a serious urgency - one that may not be shared by all living in the state.

We must see that the lives of the innocent men and women and children who are lost to this war - are not lost in vain. As you have noted - there cannot continue to be issues of courts not properly prosecuting genuine suspects when caught - thus the leader's of the western and other nations [who are fighting this war] need of being correctly observant of human rights issues in this connection - becomes very important.

You've noted; 'Police and armed forces are under the scanner for human rights' - that is true in some cases/places and I would hope that in time this propensity shall be eliminated because - as noted in the narration of "Ajamila" - we see the Vishnuduttas make a comment to the Yamaduttas about improper excercise of 'justice':

"The Vishnudutas said: Alas, how painful it is that irreligion is being introduced into an assembly where religion should be maintained. Indeed, those in charge of maintaining the religious principles are needlessly punishing a sinless, unpunishable person.

A king or governmental official should be so well qualified that he acts as a father, maintainer and protector of the citizens because of affection and love. He should give the citizens good advice and instructions according to the standard scriptures and should be equal to everyone. Yamaraja does this, for he is the supreme master of justice, and so do those who follow in his footsteps. However, if such persons become polluted and exhibit partiality by punishing an innocent, blameless person, where will the citizens go to take shelter for their maintenance and security?

The mass of people follow the example of a leader in society and imitate his behavior. They accept as evidence whatever the leader accepts." [sB 6.2.2-4]

These verses are very timeless in their wisdom and observation - they are no less important to understanding today's issues - as they may have been when they were spoken.

That last point has direct implication to today's political world:

'The mass of people follow the example of a leader in society and imitate his behavior. They accept as evidence whatever the leader accepts' - it would seem that this point has serious implications - in the war on terror. It is an observation - for all sides.

Just see the logic of this point - 'The mass of people...accept as evidence whatever the leader accepts' - if errors in this area are found in the leadership - they can thus more readily and no-mindedly lead their wards to hell and maybe - put them through hell in the process.

It is very important that these Nations which are sacrificing so much to eliminate terror understand these things.

There are 'inner' threats that cannot be overlooked - as noted in your posting - in some places [you note India] police and other investigators are are under the scanner and sometimes there may be a misdirecting of their attention - to spy on 'all' political malcontents and average people who just otherwise publically disagree with their leaders.

Thus how many people of no interest are under investigation in various Nations and - they aught not be? How many people of interest are NOT being investigated and - they aught to be?

Where there are investigations etc., there cannot be abuses of human rights - if this war is to be won - who cannot see that [and why]?

Of course - in those states where there are terrorist programs - they have to see that at some point - evermore radical and adversarial groups shall appear - one displacing another - just like one can see with hamas and their attempts to displace a slightly less radical fatah group - the point being - the terrorist propagating states [and groups] are culitvating the worst of the worst propensities within their populations and - they cannot expect that program to not become a boomerang threat of inconceivable harm to emerging generations and most certainly - to themselves!

When are this world's radical leaders - all of them - going to understand these basic facts of life? When are these irregular leaders going to see that they are causing so much loss and pain for others? When shall the hate-based demented and otherwise radical 'political' thinking be eliminated in their states? Can it be eliminated? Is it too late to turn it all back in those states? Can civil wars eliminate it? Who there wants to find out?

Of course - as long as those which sponsor [and otherwise support] the islamist's program continue with their present course and plans etc., - there is no hope for them nor anyone else in their midst.

They have a narrow and diffficult road to travel - to come to a point where the free worldwhere can believe and trust their words of 'peace' and 'cooperation' and - if they don't set out on that road soon - they shall never be able to gain the world's good-faith. I sincerely doubt they shall be able to turn back from where they are. Clearly they do not wish to.

So in the west - the leaders have to continue to fight this fight on all fronts - because there are no signs of 'any' such positive changes in the islamist world [nor its supporters] and - as this fight continues - the western leaders have to see to it and know that they are not introducing 'partiality' and any other untoward traits into the fight.

Of course - they must also know that - 'the mass of people...accept as evidence whatever the leader accepts' - so - the evidences on which this fight is based - MUST be real and [where 'public'] not presented to the masses with ambiguity. Of course having private evidences - can make for abuses as noted.

As for how public awareness is twisted - just look to islamist states and see the total nonsense lies [presented as evidences] and other slanders about the west which they brainwash their populations with - everyday!

One part of this fight that is of particular encumbrance [for everyone] is that the good men and women who are directly fighting the fight against global terror are fighting a collective which sees their own death as a victory over the "infidel" - this collective of irregular fighters do not have the same NORMAL desires to protect life - including their own - they have a desire to try to kill as many people as horribly as possible and - to die in the process - why is that?

Someone had to brainwash these irregular fighters into this mindset and those 'brainwashers' better see [as already noted] that to create monsters to do such dirty work - is leading to a creating of monsters - which shall displace their makers [and generations of their peoples to come].

How sad that our world can be in such a mess! May God help us!

Hare Krsna Suchantra prabhu, what a needless mess. Yes? Now entangled in an endless loop. Best not to support these convoluted projects. Better to lend our limited resources directly to the propagation of the Holy names of Krsna and Hari.

 

The temple belongs to someone else. Prabhupada stayed there and created the beginning of Vaisnava literary history and a spiritual movement. Thats equally good for the world/universe. Their temple though, let the place of pilgrimage be theirs. Unless the temple is bought!

 

Hare Krsna, Caturbahu das

Indeed.

Oh isn't that just so much legal double talk? So WHAT is the issue - what is it that the 'goswamis' are doing? Isn't ISKCON in so much legal trouble all the time because there was/is more attention paid to the troubles caused by fools in devotees garb? It looks like karmic reactions - where is ISKCON and all their efforts when it's low-level devotees and human rights issues at question?

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We never did figure out how Krsna's name became involved in the scuffle.

 

Hopefully the judge did.

When the owner/operator of the EN employment agency snidely asked - "what's this krishna thing you're into?" - she had NO RIGHT to ask us that.

She claimed that she googled my name [in 2002] and thus came up with some curiosity about it - of course - we do not accept that version from her - we have evidences that she was 'poisoned' by another - however - the employment agency desires to hide that fact.

Later - after we called to the human rights commission to arrange for the complaints process we were told - "we don't cover krishna here" - by the commission intake officer [who then hung up the phone right after].

UPDATE:

Okay so our noted application is proceeding on the point of the government agency's 'sacred' consultations and deliberations - we have to file the other items in a seperate motion and - of course - we shall be doing that.

I'll have more to say when the judge has completed this case...

in court on February 06, 2007

 

So, we gotta like bustya outta jail or wot?

No - but who here really cares what happened?

...Your persecution complex makes it impossible for you to defend Krsna against the ignorance of state representatives. Its all about you, nothing more, and now the ones who are trying to help are your enemies as well....your apartheid state of Israel has been more anti-semitic than anyone else. Wah wah wah, poor jews, poor don, always the victim. mahak

Hey what might be your "complex" - here are your own words on this thread:

"...The mormon mafia and the freemasons who control the trident missile and submarine program were behing the willful offense of destroying the picture on my locker...I was even threatened, followed, harassed, all that "black helicopter" crap started happening to me as well as family members..."

Gee weren't there any aliens and zionists involved ...

See how that worked against your failed complaint process? Did you tell the judge all that? Was the judge a freemason or a mormon and that is why he denied the perjury issues you raised?

I do not suffer from a persecution complex if any - I suffer from a 'let me give them the benefit of the doubt' complex!

Mahak - I [and my god-brother] have been variously persecuted - including on the basis of faith. We didn't ask for this fight and it didn't come about as a result of having some 'conspiracy complex' [which i think i may be seeing in you and - within more than this thread's postings?].

Even now - after all that has happened to me - I'm quite lucid on the apparent causes and - I'm not seeing some so-called 'mormon mafia and freemasons' conspiracy. I don't see "black helicopter crap" etc., which you described having happened to you and - all that happened to you and - for what - having a dispute about a picture of Krishna on your locker and some whistleblower stuff - give us a break.

Don't forget that I even have an 'implant' within my sinus [since June 05, 2002] - it is very well documented and the 'conspiracy complex' argument cannot be thrown at me - even in that!

Again - where are the "black helicopters" and 'mormon mafia/freemasons' stalkers and the like to stalk me?

It wasn't a grand 'mormon mafia and freemasons' conspiracy behind our abuse - it wasn't a 'Bush cartel' - it wasn't 'the jews' - it wasn't 'the zionists' - NOPE - it simply was and IS - uncouth provincial 'socialist' agencies and - a 'socialist' government insurance company - of course - as countenanced by a socialist NDP government.

No "mormon mafia" No "freemasons" - No 'neocon' plots - none of that - so really - just see...the difference in my awareness and thus my presentation of an abuse and you - with your posted perceptions of the causes etc., of that locker/picture experiance - contrast the two - as an unbiased reader would.

I'm not attempting to insult you nor to make light - I'm simply trying to get you to understand.