Bhakta Don Muntean

And may I know on what authority are you telling me to stick to my thread and not comment on other threads?

 

I am not a Bahai, but as a human being, I condemn the Islamic and Iranian persecution of Bahais, in the form of killing, abduction of Bahai women, physical torture, mutilation, destruction of Bahai property, denial of human rights and humiliation.

...and you should be commended for your efforts to help these people!

If you do nothing, you’re only encouraging Mahmoud and his Iranian friends to make a sequel.

Indeed! Iran's day of reckoning is coming but - not soon enough!

NAZIS IN THE MIDDLE EAST

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"We of Neturei Karta have been in the forefront of the battle against Zionism for over a century," when will you join?

 

"Judaism believes in One G-d who revealed the Torah. It affirms Divine Providence and, accordingly, views Jewish exile as a punishment for sin. Redemption may be achieved solely through prayer and penance. Judaism calls upon all Jews to obey the Torah in its entirety including the commandment to be patriotic citizens.

Zionism rejects the Creator, His Revelation and reward and punishment. Among its fruits are the persecution of the Palestinian people and the spiritual and physical endangering of the Jewish people. It encourages treasonous, dual loyalty among unsuspecting Jews throughout the world. At its root Zionism sees reality as barren and desacralized. It is the antithesis of Torah Judaism.

There is a vile lie, which stalks the Jewish people across the globe. It is a lie so heinous, so far from the truth, that it can only gain popularity due to the complicity of powerful forces in the "mainstream" media and educational establishment.

It is a lie which has brought many innocent people untold suffering and if unchecked has the potential to create extraordinary tragedy in the future.

It is the lie that declares that Judaism and Zionism are identical.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

Judaism is the belief in revelation at Sinai. It is the belief that exile is a punishment for Jewish sins.

Zionism has for over a century denied Sinaitic revelation. It believes that Jewish exile can be ended by military aggression.

Zionism has spent the past century strategically dispossessing the Palestinian people. It has ignored their just claims and subjected them to persecution, torture and death.

Torah Jews the world over are shocked and pained at this short-lived dogma of irreligiosity and cruelty. Thousands of Torah scholars and saints have condemned this movement from its inception. They knew that the pre-existing good relationship between Jews and Muslims in the Holy Land was bound to suffer as Zionism advanced.

The so-called "State of Israel" stands rejected on religious grounds by the Torah. Its monstrous insensitivity to the laws of basic decency and fairness appall all men be they Jewish or not.

We of Neturei Karta have been in the forefront of the battle against Zionism for over a century.

Our presence here is to refute the base lie that the evil, which is Zionism, in some way represents the Jewish people.

The reverse is true.

We are saddened day in and day at the terrible toll of death emanating from the Holy Land. Not one of them would have occurred if Zionism had not unleashed its evil energies upon the world.

As Jews we are called upon to live in peace and harmony with all men. We are exhorted to be law abiding and patriotic citizens in all lands.

We condemn the current Zionist atrocities in the Holy Land. We yearn for peace based upon mutual respect. We are convinced that this proposed mutual respect is doomed to fail as long as the Israeli state exists. We welcome its abolition in a peaceful manner.

May we be worthy of true redemption when all men will join in brotherhood in His worship."

http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/Zionism/judaism_v_zionism.cfm

Look I don't want to hear anything about any Jewish issue - from an anti-semite because that is what you are - you only use these articles because they support your anti-israel position....

This is of course clearly what happens when people like you call Jewish minority groups "extremists". A Vaishnava shouldnt do this. Fortunately Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss wasnt at home, his appartment is above the Synagogue (Neturei Karta: http://www.nkusa.org/ ).

 

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http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/845003.html – April 2, 2007

 

 

 

 

A fire deemed suspicious destroyed a New York suburban synagogue of an anti-Zionist Jewish group heavily criticized for attending a conference last year where participants debated whether the Holocaust occurred.

 

No one was injured in Sunday night's fire in the town of Monsey. A senior Neturei Karta rabbi and his family, who lived on the top floor of the three-story structure, were not home. http://www.nkusa.org/

 

"It may in the future be found to be accidental, but at this time we're treating it as a suspicious fire and we're investigating it as such," said Sgt. Daniel Hyman of the Ramapo Police Department, which provides services to Monsey, about 35 miles (55 kilometers) north of New York City. http://www.nkusa.org/

 

The Neturei Karta has been the target of threats in the recent past because of their involvement in the anti-Zionism movement. The group has been widely criticized by other Jewish groups.

 

"Anybody who would like to reveal to the world their opposition to this political, national movement of Zionism is attacked," said Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss of the Neturei Karta.

 

"A call of a fire in the kitchen area of the three-story structure came in to authorities at about 8:12 P.M. Sunday," Monsey Fire Chief Douglas Perry said.

 

He said that when firefighters arrived, one side of the house was engulfed in flames and power lines had come down. "It was too dangerous for any entry," he said, and the fire had to be fought from the outside.

 

"It's totaled," Perry said. "I would deem it dangerous to even go inside."

 

Weiss said that the group suspects arson because of previous threats.

 

"There's no question that the issue is to stifle the opposition to Zionism," he said.

 

In December, about five members of the group traveled to Tehran for a two-day conference convened to debate whether the Holocaust occurred. Some were photographed meeting with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who has called the Holocaust a myth and has criticized the existence of Israel. Other Jewish groups were outraged.

 

Following the group's return from Iran, a large protest made up mostly of other Jews opposing their anti-Zionist views was held outside the Monsey synagogue. Neturei Karta refuses to recognize the existence or authority of Israel on the grounds that a sovereign Jewish state is contrary to Jewish law.

 

"The group does not dispute that the Holocaust occurred," Weiss said.

http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/845003.html

Neturei Karta Synagogue: http://www.nkusa.org/

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Yes that was very very unfortunate [and may have been accidental] - yet so too was the attendence to that 'confernence' in Iran - so in any case - I know what you think and you know what I think - so why this back and forth like this?

Your arguments are because you say it therefore it is true, where the power is there's the truth. Paul Levy says, no, real life is different.

 

The War On Consciousness

Posted 02/04/2007

By Paul Levy – www.awakeninthedream.com

 

We are truly in a war. It is not the war we imagine we are in, which is the way our true adversaries want it. It is not a foreign war against a foreign enemy. It is a war on consciousness, a war on our own minds. The global war on terror that is being fought around the world is an embodied reflection in the material world of a deeper, more fundamental war that is going on in the realm of consciousness itself.

We have the most criminal regime in all of our history wreaking unspeakable horror on the entire planet, while simultaneously waging war on the consciousness of its own citizens - Us. If we aren't aware of this, we are unwittingly playing into, supporting and complicit in the evil that is being perpetrated in our name.

A government's war on the consciousness of its own citizens is by no means unique to the Bush administration. Abusing power over others so as to limit their freedom is an archetypal process that has been endlessly re-enacted by governments throughout history in various forms. With the Bush administration, however, the pathological aspect of this process has become so exaggerated and amped up to such a degree that it is just about impossible not to notice its staggering malignancy. With the Bush administration, the underlying evil that has played out in our government over many years is becoming overwhelmingly obvious for all to see. With the Bush administration, the underlying evil that informs systems of government that are based on "power over" instead of "liberty for" is coming out from hiding in the shadows. Instead of being acted out underground, our government is acting out this evil above ground, in plain sight for all who are courageous enough to look.

Impeaching Bush and Co. ultimately won't change anything unless we deal with the corrupt powers which control and direct them. George Bush is just a finger-puppet of the hidden hand which animates him. Bush only has apparent power, as he himself is a minion of far more powerful predator-like forces whose nefarious interests he serves. Whether we call it the illuminati, the global elite, a shadow government, or a secret cabal, there is no doubt that there are darker, self-serving forces that have insinuated themselves into and taken over our government.

The terrorists that we should be worried about are domestic terrorists who are actually implementing their agendas from deep within our very system of government itself.

The United States Government itself has become a "front" for the underlying military-industrial-financial crime syndicate that animates it. This is not to say that there aren't many good, well-meaning people in our government – they are simply prohibited by the very nature of the corrupt system they are in from reforming it. Our system of government is rigged in such a way so that there is no way to transform the system within the system itself.

The underlying core of our government has become rotten such that the entire operation simply feeds into and is an expression of the same underlying corruption. All of the scandals continually coming out are like the superficial skin rash of a much deeper systemic disease, like a cancer that is infecting the greater body politic. Citizens who are not aware of our government's insidious intrusions into our lives are unwittingly feeding the corruption they are looking away from in their very act of looking away.

The "powers" that have taken over our government have become concentrated and centralized in just a few elite hands, proving how easy it is for the few to control the many. They almost control all the levers of power: financial, political and judicial. In this war on consciousness, these powers-that-be are using the most advanced mind-control technology that our world has ever known to make its takeover complete.

The essence of mind-control is information control, which is one thing our overly secretive current administration is very good at.

 

MIND-CONTROL

The private interests that control our government have an incredible mind-control/propaganda machine at their disposal in the form of the mainstream media, which if not quite fully owned and controlled, is certainly under their "influence" enough to serve their underlying self-serving agenda. George Orwell once said that omission is the greatest form of lie – this perfectly describes the corporate owned media of today which is nothing other than the propaganda organ of the state. The corporate world and our government are becoming indistinguishable, which is one of the hallmarks of fascism, or more accurately – corporatism.

In addition to information, our government is adept at putting out dis-information, whose intention is to create distractions and confusion so as to cover its tracks and hide its true intentions. It will purposely leak stories that are not true simply to cover-up what it is really doing. By putting out misleading information, the government hides behind its self-generated smokescreen like an octopus squirting ink.

Quite often, right at the moment when people's focus is moving towards some area of criminality in the White House, the administration will even create a diversionary event for the public to put their attention on. Memories of those color-coded terror alerts that always seemed to happen right when something bad was starting to happen for the Bush administration come to mind. In creating distractions, our government is able to steer our collective attention in directions that allow it to successfully accomplish its malevolent goal of grabbing all the power it can get.

In a diabolical ploy, the administration will even feed stories to a compliant press, and then reference these stories as justification for enacting its pre-planned agenda. One glaring example is when the administration fed Judith Miller of the New York Times stories about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. Once this propaganda appeared on the front page of the Times, the administration was only too happy to use it as evidence for why we should go to war.

WMD could easily stand for "Weapons of Mind Deception", as our own government is continually trying to "Deceive" our "Minds", which is the battlefield in which the war on consciousness is being fought. We are all on the front lines in the war on consciousness, whether we know it or not.

Instead of shooting us, our government is using cutting-edge mind-control technology to psychically emasculate us. In order to be able to deal with the evil that the Bush regime is perpetrating, we first have to become acquainted with that very same potential evil in ourselves so as to be able to recognize it in the outside world. The way to vanquish our adversary is to be found hidden within the very nature of our own awareness, which contains the key to its own freedom.

The corporate-mainstream media "captivates" our attention, capturing a part of our self-reflective, discriminative awareness, thereby restricting the range of our conscious awareness, which is what hypnotism is all about.

Full article: http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=6294

More copy and pasting from the fringes of extremism I see - well - here in Saskatcewan we have no human rights no legal rights no privacy rights and - there is no respect for Krishna [never was] and I just don't have the time nor the inclination to continue with nonsense exchanges like this...just hope that your rights aren't worthless too!

Some interesting points by the Jews against Zionism at http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/news/newsletters/jaz111803.htm

In sum the same what Henry Makow says at http://www.savethemales.ca/001936.html

and what happened recently in Iraq and is still going on, thousands of Bagdadhi Jews had to leave Bagdhad, capital of Iraq and immigrate to Israel.

These people are extremists - funny how the only jews you respect are those that are anti-Israel...

The Coming Shakedown of the US and Iran

 

March 30, 2007

By Henry Makow Ph.D.

The imminent US attack on Iran is really an attack by the Illuminati on both countries.

 

The top rung of Freemasonry, the Illuminati Order is an international satanic cult that aims to subdue humanity by pitting nations in war against each other. The pictures of Bush and Ahmadinejad giving the satanic "goat's head" sign suggest Iranians are as ignorant as Americans when it comes to their President's true loyalty.

Illuminati defector Leo Zagami recently called the Iraq-Iran-Israel conflict a "foreign intelligence show" and Ahmaninejad a "well known Satanist with no real connection to Islam."

Empowered by the central banking cartel, the Illuminati Order has the resources to take over both sides of every conflict, and steer it in a way that advances the New World Order. They call this a "dialectical process." They were on both sides of both world wars, the Cold War, Korea and Vietnam.

Iran's nuclear ambitions are merely a pretext. The real object is to degrade both the US and Iran so disillusioned citizens will forfeit political, economic and spiritual rights and meekly accept Illuminati banker "world government."

 

As early as 1871, Albert Pike, the Grand Commander of US Freemasonry wrote a letter to Giuseppe Mazzini, his European counterpart, foretelling three world wars. He was correct about the first two.

 

"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists [i.e. Americans] and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam and political Zionism mutually destroy each other."

 

I don’t see this conflict as the beginning of WWIII. Like the Spanish Civil War, it is a dress rehearsal. In turn, the Israel attack on Lebanon last July was a dress rehearsal for what's in store for Iran. It may be part of an Israeli-American quid pro quo.

And just as Israel suffered some humiliating setbacks at the hands of the Hezbollah, I wouldn’t be surprised if the US "victory" will also be Pyrrhic in nature.

 

The important thing to understand is that a satanic cult controls all countries and is conducting a war against humanity. Thus, the people are too busy fighting each other to recognize their real enemies are their own politicians, the mass media and the bankers who own them.

 

This is a possible scenario: Like all wars, the conflict will be orchestrated . It will take place in the next month or two and resemble the Lebanon war. Iran and the US will both suffer serious losses; the price of oil will sky rocket and the stock market will take a hit. Israel and Iran may exchange fire but I don't foresee an invasion on the part of any country. If Iran went into Iraq, all bets would be off.

I'd like to be %100 wrong about this, and free to enjoy the Spring weather.

ORCHESTRATIONS

 

Here are some articles that suggest the Illuminati is orchestrating both sides:

 

Some observers have noted that the British female sailor was interviewed by the BBC and The Independent just hours before she was taken prisoner. How convenient. At least they didn't broadcast the capture bfore it took place.

 

Some have suggested the capture is so unlikely that both sides may have staged it, or it was a trap laid by the British. This would explain the lack of resistance. The parallel between the prisoner takings that started the Lebanon war, and the present situation is obvious.

 

In a recent article, Seymour Hersh reveals that Dick Cheney has been running an Iran-Contra style operation that includes support for groups linked to al Queda. They are also engaged in clandestine operations in Iran and the kidnapping of hundreds of Iranians.

 

Isn't it strange that the Iranians have never captured any of the Americans involved in this? Isn’t it strange the Iranians don’t demand a prisoner exchange for their own,citizens, particularly the ex-Deputy Minister of Defense kidnapped in Turkey?

 

Hersh also says the US is trying to repackage the Iraq war (a crude grab for oil and world domination) as a regional Shiite-Sunni conflict in which the US finds itself an innocent bystander. This has put the Americans in the contradictory position of having installed a pro-Iranian Shiite government in Iraq; and now having to support the Sunni and Al Qaeda insurgents, who are their ostensible enemies. It doesn’t make any sense unless you see the war as an end in itself.

David Icke received the picture of Ahmadinejad giving the satanic handsignal from an aghast Iranian. "What's going on? This doesn't have anything to do with Islam!" he exlaimed.

Icke recently wrote that Ahmadinehad seems to be playing the Illuminati game: "Either Ahmadinejad is knowingly involved or he's an idiot because all he needed to do was to quietly get on with his job and leave the nuclear development alone for a while and he would have left the neocon-Nazis with nowhere to go. He must have known that Iran was on the hit-list, but he still opened his mouth and the propagandists walked right in."

On the other hand, you'd think Iran has as much right to nuclear weapons as Pakistan. As for nuclear energy, Heather Wokusch writes:

 

"It's worth noting that Iran is a signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) and says that its program falls under the legally permitted right to "peacefully use nuclear technology." In contrast, Israel has neither signed nor ratified the NPT and the US would breach the Treaty by conducting a nuclear attack against Iran."

 

Wokusch is afraid the Cheney gang will instigate another 9-11 type event to justify attacking Iran but I don’t think that would be necessary. No one will believe it.

 

On the domestic front, an example of the Illuminati "dialectic" at work is Rosie O'Donnell's recent pronouncements 9-11.The Lesbian poster lesbian sounds like Alex Jones. It looks like most celebrities have an elite political assignment.

 

You also see Brzezinski saying the war on terror "has undermined democracy" in the banker-owned Washington Post! That's so funny coming from him. But if the Rockefellers and Rothschilds can water down the opposition with a flood of their people, they can steer it away from themselves.

 

Meanwhile Democrats in Congress try to placate an angry electorate with timetables for withdrawal. This is a diversion. Democracy is a charade. The US will never willingly withdraw from Iraq. The US is the Illuminati's goon.

 

 

CONCLUSION

 

It's best to see war and conflict as the Illuminati's cement mixer. They just throw everything in (people, cultures, religions) break and mix and then reset in their own mold. They call it "creating order out of chaos" but first they create chaos.

Their vision for the Middle East including Israel is as conformist and vapid as the EU. Union with the EU is already on the drawing board. Wars also kill a lot of innocent people as well as pesky idealists ("heroes"); and earn profits from procurement and plunder.

The greatest barrier to understanding the world is our failure to imagine the dimensions of evil, and how readily people will serve Satan.

 

If we have a war against Iran, it will be instigated by an international satanic cult, to further degrade destroy and demoralize humanity, especially Iran and the US.

 

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http://joelrosenberg.blogspot.com/2007/01/iran-says-2007-could-bring-islamic.html

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The New Year may not be so happy if Iranian leaders have their way. The Islamic Messiah known as the "Twelfth Imam" or the "Mahdi" may come to earth in 2007 and could be revealed to the world as early as the Spring Equinox, reports an official Iranian government news website. The Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting (IRIB) website says the world is now in its "last days." It claims that the Mahdi will first appear in Mecca, and then Medina. He will conquer all of Arabia, Syria, Iraq, destroy Israel, and then set up a "global government" based in Iraq, interestingly enough, not Iran. Such Islamic eschatology (end times theology) is driving the Iranian regime and helps explains why Iran has no interest in helping the U.S. and E.U. create peace in Iraq or the region, much less in ending its bid for nuclear weapons, the Iraq Study Group Report notwithstanding.

Anticipation of the imminent arrival or "illumination" of the Islamic Messiah has been steadily intensifying inside Iran since Mahmoud Ahmadinejad emerged as president of the country in June of 2005. A television series on IRIB called "The World Towards Illumination" has been running since last November to help answer the many questions Iranians have about the end of the world as we know it. The series explains the signs of the last days and what to expect when the Islamic Messiah arrives. The program also says that Jesus is coming back to earth soon as a Shiite Muslim leader and it denounces "born again Christians" for supporting "the illegal Zionist state of Israel." An Israeli news site was the first to pick up the story and its significance to Israeli national security, noting that the Mahdi will soon "form an army to defeat Islam's enemies in a series of apocalyptic battles" and "will overcome his archvillain in Jerusalem."

Some intelligence analysts are growing concerned by Ahmadinejad's announced plans "to hold the big celebration of Iran's full nuclearization in the current year." Iran's calendar year ends on March 20, which is the usual date of the Spring Equinox. Is Ahmadinejad signaling that Iran will have nuclear weapons by then? Is he suggesting that an apocalyptic war to annihilate Jews and Christians in Israel and the U.S. could come in 2007, perhaps as early as this spring or summer? It is not yet clear, though Ahmadinejad today vowed to "humiliate" the U.S. and continues to vow that Israel will "vanish" soon.

The IRIB series is important in that it offers some intriguing clues as to how Iranian Shiites believe their prophecies will play out. "After [the Twelfth Imam's] uprising from Mecca all of Arabia will be submit to him and then other parts of the world as he marches upon Iraq and established his seat of global government in the city of Kufa. Then the Imam will send 10 thousand of his forces to the east and west to uproot the oppressors. At this time God will facilitate things for him and lands will come under his control one after the other....He will appear as a handsome young man, clad in neat clothes and exuding the fragrance of paradise. His face will glow with love and kindness for the human beings....He has a radiant forehead, black piercing eyes and a broad chest. He very much resembles his ancestor Prophet Mohammad. Heavenly light and justice accompany him. He will overcome enemies and oppressors with the help of God, and as per the promise of the Almighty the Mahdi will eradicate all corruption and injustice from the face of the earth and establish the global government of peace, justice and equity."

The TV series notes that "in our discussion of the world in the last days of the earth we had said in our previous editions of this programme that no source has pointed to the exact date when the Savior will appear and only God knows about the exact timing of the reappearance of Imam Mahdi....There are various versions of the exact day of his reappearance. Some say it would be Friday and the date will be Ashura or the 10th of Moharram, the heart-rending martyrdom anniversary of his illustrious ancestor, Imam Husain. Others say the date will be the 25th of the month of Zil-Qa’dah and may coincide with the Spring Equinox or Nowrooz as the Iranians call. A saying attributed to the Prophet’s 6th infallible heir, Imam Ja’far Sadeq (PBUH) says the Mahdi will appear on the Spring Equinox and God will make him defeat Dajjal the Impostor or the anti-Christ as the Christians say, who will be hanged near the dump of Kufa."

Before the Islamic Messiah appears to the world, IRIB reports, "a pious person...a venerable God-fearing individual from Iran" meets with the Mahdi. This individual will pledge allegiance to the Mahdi as he "fights oppression and corruption and enters Iraq to lift the siege of Kufa and holy Najaf and to defeat the forces of [islam's enemies] in Iraq." It is not clear whether the program is referring to President Ahmadinejad or someone to come.

Shiite Islamic scholars also say Jesus is coming back to Earth soon. He will not, however, come as the Son of God or even as a leader but will serve as a deputy to the Mahdi to destroy the infidels, they say. "We read in the book Tazkarat ol-Olia, 'the Mahdi will come with Jesus son of Mary accompanying him,'" the series explains. "This indicates that these two great men are complement each other. Imam Mahdi will be the leader while Prophet Jesus will act as his lieutenant in the struggle against oppression and establishment of justice in the world."

"The apocalypse is a deep belief among humans regarding the end of the world," notes the Iranian documentary. "[O]ne of the characteristics of the West in the current era is obsession with the end of time. Experts say discussions about the savior and the ‘end of time’, have not been so prevalent before as they are now in the west....They believe the Messiah [is Jesus and that He] will reappear and will establish his global rule with its center in [Jerusalem], with the help of born again Christians. This sect's religious leaders in the 1990's strongly propagated their beliefs in the US and European societies. In the past two years dozens of books have been published in this field....These extremist Christians believe that certain events must be carried out by the Protestants in the world so as to prepare the grounds for the Messiah’s reappearance. The followers of this school believe they have a religious duty to accelerate these events, for example planting the illegal Zionist state of Israel for the Jews of the world, in Palestine."

Too many Western analysts are missing the central importance of Shiite eschatology in Iranian foreign policy. They mistakenly believe that Iran's current leadership can be somehow cajoled into making peace with the West. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and his cadre of loyal mullahs are not being driven by the same goals and aspirations as are the diplomats in Washington, Brussels or at the United Nations. The President of Iran and his team fervently believe the Islamic Messiah is coming back soon, possibly as soon as this Spring. They are convinced that their divine mission is to create the conditions for the Mahdi's return. As a result, they are committed to instigating more anti--American violence in Iraq, not less. They are determined to obtain nuclear weapons at all costs, not negotiate away their atomic research and development program. What's more, they are deeply committed to building political and military alliances with anti-Western powers, not finding accomodation with the West.

Bottom line: the leaders of Iran are preparing for an apocalyptic war with the U.S. and Israel. It's not a question of "if" but "when." The sooner the White House and our new Congressional leaders realize this and take decisive action to stop this nuclear nightmare, the better.

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This nonsense is what they really believe - it's not an invention of some conspiracy bunko artist!

So you consider Rabbi Daniel Lapin a madman?

Well in the least he's very misguided - yup!

Who created taliban. Who gave power to Pakistan and iran? Answer known to everybody. US. Now child’s thinking that they grown bigger than father. This is a problem of their family. No need to interfere in this. Of course all Americans should think of this.

Whenever Jewish people like Henry Makow, David Irving, Israel Shamir or Rabbi Daniel Lapin (Our Worst Enemy) write insightful articles it should be clear who is going against it....sad but true.

The Coming Shakedown of the US and Iran

 

March 30, 2007

By Henry Makow Ph.D.

The imminent US attack on Iran is really an attack by the Illuminati on both countries.

 

The top rung of Freemasonry, the Illuminati Order is an international satanic cult that aims to subdue humanity by pitting nations in war against each other. The pictures of Bush and Ahmadinejad giving the satanic "goat's head" sign suggest Iranians are as ignorant as Americans when it comes to their President's true loyalty.

Illuminati defector Leo Zagami recently called the Iraq-Iran-Israel conflict a "foreign intelligence show" and Ahmaninejad a "well known Satanist with no real connection to Islam."

Empowered by the central banking cartel, the Illuminati Order has the resources to take over both sides of every conflict, and steer it in a way that advances the New World Order. They call this a "dialectical process." They were on both sides of both world wars, the Cold War, Korea and Vietnam.

Iran's nuclear ambitions are merely a pretext. The real object is to degrade both the US and Iran so disillusioned citizens will forfeit political, economic and spiritual rights and meekly accept Illuminati banker "world government."

 

As early as 1871, Albert Pike, the Grand Commander of US Freemasonry wrote a letter to Giuseppe Mazzini, his European counterpart, foretelling three world wars. He was correct about the first two.

 

"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists [i.e. Americans] and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam and political Zionism mutually destroy each other."

 

I don’t see this conflict as the beginning of WWIII. Like the Spanish Civil War, it is a dress rehearsal. In turn, the Israel attack on Lebanon last July was a dress rehearsal for what's in store for Iran. It may be part of an Israeli-American quid pro quo.

And just as Israel suffered some humiliating setbacks at the hands of the Hezbollah, I wouldn’t be surprised if the US "victory" will also be Pyrrhic in nature.

 

The important thing to understand is that a satanic cult controls all countries and is conducting a war against humanity. Thus, the people are too busy fighting each other to recognize their real enemies are their own politicians, the mass media and the bankers who own them.

 

This is a possible scenario: Like all wars, the conflict will be orchestrated . It will take place in the next month or two and resemble the Lebanon war. Iran and the US will both suffer serious losses; the price of oil will sky rocket and the stock market will take a hit. Israel and Iran may exchange fire but I don't foresee an invasion on the part of any country. If Iran went into Iraq, all bets would be off.

I'd like to be %100 wrong about this, and free to enjoy the Spring weather.

ORCHESTRATIONS

 

Here are some articles that suggest the Illuminati is orchestrating both sides:

 

Some observers have noted that the British female sailor was interviewed by the BBC and The Independent just hours before she was taken prisoner. How convenient. At least they didn't broadcast the capture bfore it took place.

 

Some have suggested the capture is so unlikely that both sides may have staged it, or it was a trap laid by the British. This would explain the lack of resistance. The parallel between the prisoner takings that started the Lebanon war, and the present situation is obvious.

 

In a recent article, Seymour Hersh reveals that Dick Cheney has been running an Iran-Contra style operation that includes support for groups linked to al Queda. They are also engaged in clandestine operations in Iran and the kidnapping of hundreds of Iranians.

 

Isn't it strange that the Iranians have never captured any of the Americans involved in this? Isn’t it strange the Iranians don’t demand a prisoner exchange for their own,citizens, particularly the ex-Deputy Minister of Defense kidnapped in Turkey?

 

Hersh also says the US is trying to repackage the Iraq war (a crude grab for oil and world domination) as a regional Shiite-Sunni conflict in which the US finds itself an innocent bystander. This has put the Americans in the contradictory position of having installed a pro-Iranian Shiite government in Iraq; and now having to support the Sunni and Al Qaeda insurgents, who are their ostensible enemies. It doesn’t make any sense unless you see the war as an end in itself.

David Icke received the picture of Ahmadinejad giving the satanic handsignal from an aghast Iranian. "What's going on? This doesn't have anything to do with Islam!" he exlaimed.

Icke recently wrote that Ahmadinehad seems to be playing the Illuminati game: "Either Ahmadinejad is knowingly involved or he's an idiot because all he needed to do was to quietly get on with his job and leave the nuclear development alone for a while and he would have left the neocon-Nazis with nowhere to go. He must have known that Iran was on the hit-list, but he still opened his mouth and the propagandists walked right in."

On the other hand, you'd think Iran has as much right to nuclear weapons as Pakistan. As for nuclear energy, Heather Wokusch writes:

 

"It's worth noting that Iran is a signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) and says that its program falls under the legally permitted right to "peacefully use nuclear technology." In contrast, Israel has neither signed nor ratified the NPT and the US would breach the Treaty by conducting a nuclear attack against Iran."

 

Wokusch is afraid the Cheney gang will instigate another 9-11 type event to justify attacking Iran but I don’t think that would be necessary. No one will believe it.

 

On the domestic front, an example of the Illuminati "dialectic" at work is Rosie O'Donnell's recent pronouncements 9-11.The Lesbian poster lesbian sounds like Alex Jones. It looks like most celebrities have an elite political assignment.

 

You also see Brzezinski saying the war on terror "has undermined democracy" in the banker-owned Washington Post! That's so funny coming from him. But if the Rockefellers and Rothschilds can water down the opposition with a flood of their people, they can steer it away from themselves.

 

Meanwhile Democrats in Congress try to placate an angry electorate with timetables for withdrawal. This is a diversion. Democracy is a charade. The US will never willingly withdraw from Iraq. The US is the Illuminati's goon.

 

 

CONCLUSION

 

It's best to see war and conflict as the Illuminati's cement mixer. They just throw everything in (people, cultures, religions) break and mix and then reset in their own mold. They call it "creating order out of chaos" but first they create chaos.

Their vision for the Middle East including Israel is as conformist and vapid as the EU. Union with the EU is already on the drawing board. Wars also kill a lot of innocent people as well as pesky idealists ("heroes"); and earn profits from procurement and plunder.

The greatest barrier to understanding the world is our failure to imagine the dimensions of evil, and how readily people will serve Satan.

 

If we have a war against Iran, it will be instigated by an international satanic cult, to further degrade destroy and demoralize humanity, especially Iran and the US.

 

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........ language=javascript src="/foot.js" type=text/javascript>.........>Henry Makow is the author of A Long Way to go for a Date. He received his Ph.D. in English Literature from the University of Toronto. He welcomes your feedback and ideas at henry@savethemales.ca.

Again this "Henry Makow" an extremist...

His ideas don't even deserve discussion on the fringes.

This guy is a crank - a kook and - he should be ashamed of himself for what he is doing!

Really? You sure about that?

Yes really...

...and we're still waiting! It'll have to be a good decision having taken this long...

Well just see what a sad joke this ONE PAGE decision is and - along with it - justice and the Charter! Of course one could ask why this ONE PAGE took seven weeks!?

Both, this moron Bush and the foolish Iranian president must be thrown out of power.

Bush isn't a moron and the islamist iranian president is much worse than "foolish" - Sorry to say - I see people making that assessment as "foolish"...

I apologize for the off topic, I was responding to Mahak dealing with Mormons in Washington State which I have personal experience with. Of course I have great respect for Christians and I wish them the best and I even consider myself a Christian but all the denominations where I live eat hamburgers like there is no tomorrow so I don't consider attending their functions as very conducive to spiritual life in my opinion but whatever floats your boat. I have been discrimated against by Mormons for being non-Mormon before so that makes me even more content to avoid their association but like I say whatever floats your boat. No magic underwear for me, thanks.

Q: I apologize for the off topic

R: Hey that's okay - i was just kidding you!

Here is an important article about a [online] book that I too read in 2001-2002 - this book reads like it's fact based and in fact it isn't.

I read that book [and i was at that time obtusely naïve as could be] and it helped to introduce false left-wing and other - more nasty notions into my thinking - as it related to the holocaust.

Of course - as I continued to learn - from additional and broad sources - I came to understand that that book - is certainly an untoward and unjust left-wing propaganda - against the tremendous suffering of the Jews!

There is no case for the idea that Zionists collaborated with nazis in the formation of the State of Israel – further – to say that it was the actions of Zionists that brought the nazi pogrom into existence is false.

The book promotes – if only in a subtle fashion - the false premise that Zionists are some global conspiracy [like islamists!] - when Zionism was/is only concerned with the founding of the State of Israel – which was a miracle - as noted in my posting of the connected prophesy [i will reprint here].

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ABC: Giving Airtime to Extremists An Australian radio show spreads the myth of Zionist collaboration with the Nazis.

The mainstream media generally refrains from giving a platform to far-right extremists with fascist or neo-Nazi backgrounds. Yet, no such stigma appears to be attached to the promotion of extreme far-left ideologues, despite the fact that Marxism and communism have also historically been responsible for mass murder and the stifling of individual freedoms.

While left-wing anti-Zionism has seeped into the mainstream, there are still radical and appalling charges that belong on the fringes of accepted debate. One of these is the false accusation that Zionists actively collaborated with the Nazis.

So why does Australia's ABC Radio ask on the transcript page of its "Religion Report":

The charge of Zionist collaboration with the Nazis is a form of Holocaust revisionism that is barely deserving of a response. (The history of the Holocaust has been exhaustively researched and is covered by a large number of reputable online sources.) A regular accusation employed by Soviet propagandists in the 1970s, this falsehood was trumpeted by Marxist Lenni Brenner's book in 1983 as a means to delegitimize Israel as a fascist and Nazi state. Classical Holocaust deniers claim that the mass extermination of the Jews never took place or seek to minimize the numbers of the dead. Left-wing revisionists such as Brenner do not deny that mass murder took place but seek to blame Zionist Jews for the actions of the Nazis.

Michael Ezra points outs that:

Abusing the memory of 6 million murdered Jews is a malicious method to attack Israel and has most recently been employed by Iranian President Ahmadinejad. Why has ABC indulged an extremist like Lenni Brenner?

Click here - http://www.abc.net.au/rn/religionreport/contact/ - to send your considered comments to ABC and please send us copies of your e-mails and any responses to letters@honestreporting.com.

FURTHER READING

The ideological background behind left-wing anti-Zionism and Holocaust revisionism is a complicated one but here are a few sources for further reading:

Paul Bogdanor - Information on the role of radical leftists in promoting hatred of Jews and denial of the Holocaust.

Michael Ezra, The Abuse of Holocaust Memory: The Far Right, the Far Left and the Middle East

LA TIMES PUBLISHES RESPONSE TO MAKDISI OP-ED

Our recent critique of Saree Makdisi's op-ed in the LA Times, which questioned the recognition of Israel, prompted many of you to write letters to the paper. The LA Times has now given op-ed space to Judea Pearl of the Daniel Pearl Foundation, who addresses Makdisi's arguments:

HonestReporting. com

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Here is that posting [i did on another thread here] regarding my realizations:

In that day, saith the LORD, will I assemble her that halteth, and I will gather her that is driven away, and her that I have afflicted; And I will make her that halted a remnant, and her that was cast far off a mighty nation; and the LORD shall reign over them in mount Zion from thenceforth even for ever. [Micah 4.6-7]

Of course the messiah that is expected - shall not be seen through any second advent of Jesus - because Jesus isn't the prophetically expected [hebrew] messiah - the 'why not' part of that - is a whole other discussion .

So it should be noted that the expected hebrew messiah [a complex subject matter] - is a human being - not God - not an incarnation [partial or otherwise] he isn't a demigod - he isn't a 'supernatural' nor divine being at all. - though he is 'different' - in that he has a 'general soul' or - a 'slightly universal' soul.

He doesn't have magic powers. Like in the days of old - God shall work the wonders - during the messianic age.

So what are a few points about this - in the Prophetic tradition.

But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig-tree; and none shall make them afraid; for the mouth of the LORD of hosts hath spoken. For let all the peoples walk each one in the name of its god, but we will walk in the name of the LORD our God for ever and ever. [Micah 4.4-5]

In that quote we see that the messianic age - shall be multi-faith.

But thou, Beth-lehem Ephrathah, which art little to be among the thousands of Judah, out of thee shall one come forth unto Me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth are from of old, from ancient days. Therefore will He give them up, until the time that she who travaileth hath brought forth; then the residue of his brethren shall return with the children of Israel. [Micah 5.1-2]

In that quote we see that the messiah's maternal roots could be traced to this place [Beth-lehem]. To say 'which art little to be among the thousands of Judah' indicates that this was an obscure place - not a place of greatness.

It is a misnomer that he is to be born in Beth-lehem - clearly the texts confirm he is born among the exiles.

In saying 'out of thee shall one come forth unto Me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth are from of old, from ancient days' confirms that he has been reincarnating toward this point for a long time - 'whose goings forth are from of old, from ancient days'.

We also see that Beth-lehem shall not be a part of a State of Israel 'until the time that she who travaileth hath brought forth' or - he is born - the text says 'Therefore will He give them up' - so is he talking about Beth-lehem - the Hebrew people in exile [and thus Jursalem] or - both?

The full point is 'Therefore will He give them up, until the time that she who travaileth hath brought forth; then the residue of his brethren shall return with the children of Israel' - so 'them' indentifies - both those in exile and - Beth-lehem.

So they 'shall return' to where - to an already renewed and infant State or - to just a geographical location or - both?

We must consider that were it not for Jesus and the Faith surronding him - Beth-lehem would certainly have become a nearly deserted and forgotten place [by the time messiah is born somewhere in the exile] and - for Hebrews it [was] is an 'obscure place' a place of 'no mention'.

So we have to then ask - when did Beth-lehem again become part of a State of Israel?

It was on June 05, 1967 - so 'He [will] give them up, until the time that she who travaileth hath brought forth and - that then should indicate that - he must have to be born just prior to that event.

Consider 'He [will] give them up until the time that she who is to give birth has given birth' - the word 'until' is important - so they are no longer 'given up' right after he is born and - if the messiah is to [alone] accomplish all this - how would he do so - as an infant child? So the use of 'until' means that as soon as he is born - no more position of being 'given up' or seperated from the renewed State.

We can also add that the formal reclamation of all of Jerusalem could/would also coincide with this noted event:

Now why dost thou cry out aloud? Is there no King in thee, is thy Counsellor perished, that pangs have taken hold of thee as of a woman in travail? [Micah 4.9]

After that - there is this description in Zechariah 1.14-17:

...so the angel that spoke with me said unto me: 'Proclaim thou, saying: Thus saith the LORD of hosts: I am jealous for Jerusalem and for Zion with a great jealousy; and I am very sore displeased with the nations that are at ease; for I was but a little displeased, and they helped for evil. Therefore thus saith the LORD: I return to Jerusalem with compassions: My house shall be built in it, saith the LORD of hosts, and a line shall be stretched forth over Jerusalem. Again, proclaim, saying: Thus saith the LORD of hosts: My cities shall again overflow with prosperity; and the LORD shall yet comfort Zion, and shall yet choose Jerusalem.

So that part - 'I am jealous for Jerusalem and for Zion with a great jealousy; and I am very sore displeased with the nations that are at ease; for I was but a little displeased, and they helped for evil.' - that means that God is angry at the nations of the world for it's treatment of His exiled because He was 'but a little displeased' and yet the nations after the exile were to have 'helped for evil' [or helped forward the afflications] and they were 'at ease' with doing so - thus God says 'I am jealous for Jerusalem and for Zion with a great jealousy' - so when we see fruition of the Micah 5.1-2 events we see that God permits all of Jerusalem to be again under an Israeli State.

The State of Israel was first reclaimed after WWII - after the well known last general pogrom [directly under the Nazis and other's indirectly] came to an end - as noted in that quote God thinks that the world could have done more to prevent so much loss and instead they were 'at ease' with the Nazis - for too long - and God sanctioned this renewal - but - with this renewed State - there was a line as it were through [dividing] Jerusalem - until 1967.

It should be mentioned that many propagandists have taken Zechariah 14.2 - 'For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, but the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.' - to mean that there shall be a future war there and 'the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city' - but this not so - as that was fulfilled in 30 C.E. - with the Exile - it should be noted that Muslim rulers later allowed the reestablishment of a Jewish community in Jerusalem thus 'the residue of the people [that] shall not be cut off from the city' means that even after the exile the people were being enabled by God - for a return to a former status as a State or - the end of the Exile!

In text 3-4 we read that sometime after the exile comes "The Day of the Lord" - we note this point in texts three and four:

Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when He fighteth in the day of battle. And His feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleft in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, so that there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

So God indeed left mercy and an open door through this 'residue of the people [that] shall not be cut off from the city' - so that means that at some point [after the 30 C.E. exile] - the residue of the exile again comes to Jerusalem.

Additionally - if the world ends up in a sorry state over this point - there may well come this 'vist' - that produces a mountain dividing earthquake - so - in text 7 we read - And there shall be one day which shall be known as the LORD'S, not day, and not night; but it shall come to pass, that at evening time there shall be light. - of course we 'everyone' have choices - that impact everything.

So to the point again - there must have been a State of Israel - already in existence and intended by God - before the time of his birth - as noted by 'then the residue of his brethren shall return with the children of Israel' - it means that there is a State for him and his family and 'the children of Israel' to return to.

So yes these are my humble interpretations but - it could well be that he is already here - what aspects of the future of the State of Israel [and the world] are to be impacted by his appearance - is another discussion.

One thing is sure - whenever it is that he is born - there must have been a State of Israel - already in existence and intended by God [with a securing of Beth-lehem and [all of] Jerusalem with the timing of his birth] - before the time of his birth - as noted by 'then the residue of his brethren shall return with the children of Israel' - it means that there is already a State for him and 'the residue of his family' and 'the children of Israel' to return to.

We can see within this last quote [and through the other's so far] that there is a clear allusion to an exisiting Jerusalem and State - to the seeming surprise of God [and the remant of the people who later begin to return] some time before messiah is born - further - we've seen that God is to show-up in anger - which is noted as being - directed toward the nations - for their helping forward the afflictions of His exiled - when He was 'only a little displeased' - so - at the end of the last and worst pogrom [nazi] God indeed 'showed up' to reclaim Jerusalem and - as expected and 'planned' - He was 'surprised' to see some of His exiled - already there and - because He was sore displeased with the nations - for their 'at ease' adventures in the continual pogroms - He was pleased with finding some remant of His exiled there and He thus began the process - for messiah to be born and - coinciding it with the removal of the dividing-line through Jerusalem [in June 1967]:

And the word of the LORD of hosts came, saying: 'Thus saith the LORD of hosts: I am jealous for Zion with great jealousy, and I am jealous for her with great fury. Thus saith the LORD: I return unto Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem; and Jerusalem shall be called The city of truth; and the mountain of the LORD of hosts The holy mountain. Thus saith the LORD of hosts: There shall yet old men and old women sit in the broad places of Jerusalem, every man with his staff in his hand for very age. And the broad places of the city shall be full of boys and girls playing in the broad places thereof. Thus saith the LORD of hosts: If it be marvellous in the eyes of the remnant of this people in those days, should it also be marvellous in Mine eyes? saith the LORD of hosts. [Zechariah 8.1-6]

Hare Krishna Mahak,

 

Good to see you are still going strong and sharp witted as ever even though I still can't completely buy into liberalism . I grew up in Eastern Washington and went to school with a lot of Mormons and though they were nice enough people I gotta admit that is a strange cult. Now there are not as many Mormons around, they seem to have been replaced by Catholic immigrants. Not sure either group is very good association to be honest so I pretty much avoid them both although I wish them the best. I still like spectator sports to some degree. Would like to see the Seahawks win the Superbowl before I die. Used to really like the Mariners but they have become such a poorly run organization that cares only about making money instead of winning I hardly even like them anymore. Best of Luck.

...yer posting is just a little off topic? Of course 'I' think that catholics and mormons are great association - just as any christian is....

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Yeah, and also the atrocities committed by the Iranian muslim fanatics on the Bahais, and which is supported by the state itself should be condemned by all national governments.

...most certainly!

So the iranian regime have abducted the U.K. servicemen - I think that president 'hitler wannabe' is such a fool - he is provoking the west.

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Of course - we're still awaiting the court's judicious decison...please stand by

...and we're still waiting! It'll have to be a good decision having taken this long...

I checked on google. Non-muslims can enter mosques only with prior permission of Muslims if they follow certain conditions . They are not allowed to enter the Sacred Mosque in Makkah.

 

As for your stating that anyone can enter synagogues, I am only glad about it. I believe that all devotees should be allowed to enter temples of worship of any religion.

Hare Bolo!

Not that 'i' care about that but - is that correct?

So if someone goes to a mosque say in canada or the U.S. and - he isn't muslim - they shall be turned away? I have never visited any mosque so I don't know first hand - but - it just seems odd that such a thing might happen. [places like Makkah may be different] but we're talking 'places of worship' - never heard of it in my readings before either. Paths which claim to lead to God - then advocate an act that shows otherwise have to change - any lack of openess and desire to change is the shit end of the stick no matter who is holding it...

Also , I don't think Hindu temples are the only religious institutions who bar people of other religions. The Zoroastrian temples bar people of other religions from entering them.

Similarly too with Islamic mosques. And I think Jewish temples too bars people of other religions from entering them. (correct me if I am wrong).

Which synagogues would that be? I don't think that anyone respectable is refused entry at any Hebrew house of worship. I'm not sure but I don't think that anyone is refused entry at a mosque. For sure no christian church refuses people entry [except mormons and their main temples].

Maybe temples like Puri shouldn't become tourist spots but - devotees of Krishna should not be refused - if only because of the body they are in.

Respectfully - it goes without saying that an east indian could gain entry to the temple - even if they are not hindus! So it seems that one cannot interpret the issue the same as 300 years ago - when "foreigner" meant 'non-hindu' and today when there are many indigenous indians who are no longer hindu and many "foreigners" who are.