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    atma,

    Not sure what letter but mis-identification is the problem.

     

    Eternal servants of Krishna is our proper ID.

     

    We sure are in a strange predicament here.A dual life kinda.Trying to keep an outer life together while cultivating a proper understanding of who we are.Ain't easy.

     

    [This message has been edited by Maitreya (edited 09-06-2001).]

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    [The ones I have spoken with are quite proud of the description in the Mahabharata where Arjuna pretends to be a eunuch for a year (while in exile). They feel this justifies their existence and even makes it spiritual.

    I hope she told them that their existence is justified because they are part of Krishna and that is what makes their existence spiritual.The state of their sex organs or lack thereof is irrelevant to their inherent spiritual constitution.That is true self esteem.

    It is true that "eunuch" does not typically equal "homosexual". However, many eunuchs do have sex with other men, sometimes acting out the role of a wife.

    In other words anal sex and cleaning the house. Posted Image

    In general, India and Indians have a much more fluid concept of both gender and sexuality than we are used to here in the West and our attempts to put everyone into neat little boxes doesn't really work there. I think that's one of the reasons for "the third sex". Madhu

    "Fluidthird sex",give me a break.Is there a translator for Madhu speak in the house?

     

    If you want to be compassionate and accept people for what they are, then accept them as part and parcel of the Supreme Lord.

     

    Anything less is an insult to any living being.

     

    Hare Krishna

    MC

     

    edited for proper quotation

     

     

     

     

    [This message has been edited by Maitreya (edited 09-06-2001).]

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    Originally posted by Dayal_Govinda:

    Dear Maitraya,

    You should understand to whom and to what I am refering when I stated that the comment was homophobic paranoia. I know members of galva and they are not plotting to decieve the devotee community. The very idea that they are is laughable.

     

    Well facts were presented showing that none of the letters that objected to the article on Chakra were printed.The few that did supported it were printed however.You may not call it a plot but how can you deny that it is a conscious effort to stear the thinking of the devotional community in a certain direction?

    Of course we all do that to some degree when we post our views on any subject.But when it is being controled in the way that Chakra's webmaster's appear to have done it easily rises to a plot on their part.

     

    A reasonable person could come to that opinion.If there was collaboration with these galva folks or not is irrelevant.There is definetly a problem with the webmasters there censoring while pretending to offer a place where devotees can express dissenting opinions.

     

    We are not paranoid for noticing this.

     

     

    I called this homophobic paranoia because many devotees on this forum seem to be threatened by the very existance of homosexuals, thus they equate them with many abominable things such as paedophilia, promiscuity and deception.

     

    Threatened?No. Disgusted with the idea of ignoring Srila Prabhupada's clear teachings on the subject,yes.Homosex IS abominable.Pretending otherwise helps no one.

     

    Showing no compassion and understanding to other vaisnavas has nothing to do with following Prabhupada.

     

    To me compassion means open kirtans, open classes, honoring prasad together etc.What homo has been excluded on the basis of their homosexuality?Unless they were flaunting and causing a distraction.Is there such a case?Maybe, but I have yet to hear of it.

     

    It is true that he can be quoted to support many different opinions, take the womens issue for example. But what he said and how he acted were often different.

     

    Yes so we should take the example.That is the point.

    Example means:

    Preach as he preached.Don't change anything.Which includes opposing homosex so-called marriages.

     

    Do as he did.Accept anyone who is wanting to chant without the need to prequalify.

     

    Offer prasadam to all without restriction.

     

    In other words receive the love of Godhead from Lord Caitanya's representitives as they help Him plunder the storehouse,and as we receive also help distribute to the measure of our realization and ability.

     

     

    We are to extract the essence of these instructions and apply them to the present situation rather than to fanatically hold on to every word that Prabhupada said as absolute for all time. Do you really believe that everything Prabhupada said will be relevant for the next 10000 years?

     

    You are advocating directly opposing Srila Prabhupada's instructions in this matter in the name of extracting the essence.

     

    Do you see nature changing anytime soon to allow for same sex progeny?In the next 10,000 or 10 million years?

     

    I see no need to change anything at all in the program that he brought to the West or the whole world for that matter.

     

    Further if some little change is to be made in the centuries that follow[for arguements sake]Krishna will empower His representitive to make the change.

     

    No need to rely on the imperfect mental concoctions which spring forth from the tiny brains of souls conditioned by Western socilogists, as they try to impose the essence of their mundane educations onto the transcendental realizations of Lord Caitanyas empowered spokesmen.

     

    Hare Krishna

    MC

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    Originally posted by nine9:

    That is untrue. We can never be normal. It is not nice to be "homosexual". It is dreadful to never be able to have children. And it is horrible to be forced to live apart. However, we will always be pushed outside the door by bigoted small-minded persons such as yourself who are unwilling to look beyond material characteristics.

     

    Please desist from discussing us when we no longer want to participate. Kicking a man when he's down is far from honourable.

     

    YHS

     

    Mark

     

     

    Gauracandra said:

     

    NO ONE is preventing these homosexuals from engaging in devotional service. NO ONE is stopping these homosexuals from chanting and dancing. NO ONE is preventing these homosexuals from reading transcendental literatures. [/qoute]

     

    Hey Mark, he is not a bigot for disagreeing with you and neither am I.

     

    Your crew brought this up.Don't want to talk about it or don't want to hear the arguements from the other side of the debate.

     

    Let's drop the subject entirely, and who ever started the offensive galva site and org. should simply delete it.

     

    Don't ask don't tell is the best thing in this circumstance.

     

    My respects to you as an aspiring Vaisnava,

    Hare Krishna

     

     

     

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    Then there is this from The Teachings of Lord Caitanya:

    To these thirty-five items, another four can be added: (1) marking one’s body with sandalwood pulp to show that one is a Vaisnava, (2) painting one’s body with the holy names of the Lord, (3) covering one’s body with the remnants of the Deity covers, (4) accepting caranämrta, the water which washes the Deity. These four additional items make thirty-nine items for devotional service in all,...

     

    To be honest also one reason I have shyed away from permanent markings like tattoos is that you can be identified easily by govt.agencies.

     

    Call me paranoid, but I took movies like Logan's Run,Farenhiet 451 etc. and the ideas

    behind them seriously.My motto was always have an alias ready to go.

     

     

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    Mark what ever you decide to do you will do.The thing is just don't pretend.Be honest with yourself.

     

    You are not alone in experiencing material dilemnas.Material life means confusion, lonliness etc.Everyone is going through some version of it.Your mind has some demands that are not dovetailable.Your homosex thing like my desire for promiscuous sex with no responsibility are simply outside the prescribed rules of conduct for executing proper sadhana-bhakti.We are both physicaly celibate and yet plagued still by the minds desires.Tough for us.We have to suffer the mess we made for ourselves.That is just how it goes.So we do what we can to try and move towards Krishna.

     

    Many years ago I was maintaining the rules and sadhana pretty well for a while,and then started working and living in Waikiki.I was selling jewelry on the beach and started falling down on a regular basis.I compounded this mistake by trying to pretend I was still keeping up a higher standard then I really was.My friends could sense something was up but I denied it.Women?What women?Not me.I just couldn't admit my failure to myself.

     

    Finnaly this one devotee friend looked me in the face and asked me a question.It was this:"Do you want to know the truthWell yes I said, of course"His answer:"Then stop lying".

     

    It was a real slap in the face, but the effect was good.Real friends just don't go along with your games, they will help you see past them.

     

    You must know homosex is unnatural.I am asking your intelligence and not your feelings.Stop lying to yourself.

     

    Any attempt to try and change Prabhupada's teachings on this matter will just be met with resistence.And people should understand that this resistence is not going away, it will only get stronger.

     

    Hare Krishna

    MC

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    Coolest thing just happened.I have the TV on tuned to MSNBC and they are doing now a story on tattoos.

     

    All of a sudden I heard a Kirtan coming from the TV and when I look it showed the inside of a temple with a kirtan going and then the picture went to a murti of Srila Prabhupada.Then to this devotee who has all these devotional tattoos.Showed a young bhaktin with some on her arm also.Three or four different bhaktas showing their Krishna body art.I think it was filmed in New York.

     

    This is a direct message from Supersoul telling me to go tattoo my full body just as atma suggested.No doubt about it.My life now has a mission. Posted Image

     

    It was cool though.

     

     

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    Originally posted by atma:

    In this Ratha Yatra I met my friend from Mayapur (remember the one that had to jump in the Jalangi running away from a mob?). He got the coolest tatoo! Full back Nrisimhadeva. We took photos of it. He got another one on his chest, really thick. I bet that was painful.

    One gurukuli girl has this tatoo around her shoulder and half of her upper back of Lord Krsna playing the flute. I'm not a tattoo person but that is really beautiful! The colors and expression are really amazing.

    Full back Nrisimhadeva? Alright!Great minds think alike.Was that before or after he was chased by the mob? Posted Image

     

    Tarun, why is fire not acceptable?It seems so clean.I know there must be authorized methods for Deities in these situations, I just have no idea what they are.

     

     

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    Originally posted by nine9:

    Plus this is my point - that I have been trying to make again and again and again - this is not about "sex"; it is about "love", devoid of "lust".

     

    There are different degrees of lust Mark.Just because one is presently not having gross sex doesn't mean he isn't in lust.

    I experience it just being around a woman that is attractive even though I may never speak to her.I am also being tortured by this disease of lust.Lust can be very subtle.We are advised to never be alone with a woman even in dreams.

     

    Householder life is meant to work through that as jijaji said before.There is no example in any scripture I have read where Lord Caitanya approved homosex householders.What is being objected to is the concoction of homosex marriage,not you as a soul.

     

    JNdas has reminded us that real love devoid of lust is with Krishna then it is extended out to all others as His parts and parcels and has nothing to do with any designation of this material world.

     

    I appreciate very much your desire to control the senses.The mind is also a sense.Until it is controled[fixed on Krishna]it will only torment us in various ways.

     

    If you feel like a woman inside why not become attracted to the ultimate male?

     

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    Originally posted by amanpeter:

    ...and so the speculation begins! The Great Homo Hunt is on! Why DO you continue to live in San Francisco anyway, MC? Better hunting grounds?

     

     

    No peter, I live in Berkeley.If someone continualy refers to his guru maharaja as the one granting this license then he should name him.There is a strong implication in that statement that it is parampara approved.Quotes have been offered from Srila Prahupada to the contrary.

     

    By the way does the phrase passive aggressive mean anything to you?

     

     

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