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    Well, now I can see you're confused. Somehow you've mixed some sort of ritvik thing in here, but I don't see where it comes from. I've never said Jesus can give diksa. I have acknowledged on many occasions, and quite happily, that he was a powerful spiritual teacher. I accepted him in my heart when I was 10. And I've never said Srila Prabhupada is dead and gone. He's very present in my life, and in ways I'd sure never share with you.


    You seem not to have any idea who I am. I sure have no idea of who you are.

    Ritvik, meanwhile a four-letter word. No, I talk of real knowledge - no I'm not confused but you're are either acting the fool or afflicted with blocked intelligence.


    If you say you believe in Jesus as great devotee of the Lord and say, no, Jesus cannot guide you from within (di) and absorb your sinful reactions (ksha) and thus giving diksha, you better join the camp of Jesus aparadhis.


    Not join, you were actually always right there. Acceptance of Lord Jesus Christ implies the understanding that it is only Lord Jesus who gives diksha and nobody else. Not the pope and not the priests. They are all ritiviks, officiating priests. In fact if anyone in the church claims of being on the level of Lord Jesus and sitting on Lord Jesus' vyasasana he is immediately excommunicated.


    And you know it! So, you say, you believe that Lord Jesus is the son of God but you say he cannot give diksha?


    This is direct violation of the teachings of all the Vaishnava acaryas of our sampradaya, and thus to be rejected. Anyone who teaches Lord Jesus cannot give diksha speaks against the teachings of Vaishnava acaryas and has to be rejected.


    These are rather gross misconceptions (apasiddhanta) regarding the validity of our parampara.


    I was tempted to post a "Yep, you've outed me," but I have to say I fail to see how anything in this post has anything to do with anything I've posted.



    Who says? And what? Maybe theist can explain all this to me.

    When it comes to Prabhupada giving diksha you say, Prabhupada is dead and gone. When it comes to Lord Jesus you say, yes, Jesus Christ is so powerful, he can give spiritual diksha?


    "...Can explain all this to me", not sure if you're actually willing to understand all this.

    Rather a question of being disposed.

  3. All this "gee" doesnt help you this time, you're caught!



    I've never said anywhere that Jesus is not a bona fide representative of God.

    This is of course not with all your heart but rather halfheartedly.


    And when applied on Prabhupada immediately rejected - Lord Jesus can guide you from within and absorb your sins but Prabhupada cannot.


    In other words, your so called Jesus glorification says, if we preach that Lord Jesus can give spiritual diksha we have no explanation whatsoever why Prabhupada cannot give diksha.


    Therefore we just say, "Jesus loves you", but understand secretly that Jesus is fantasy, illusion, hallucination.


    Quite a sure procedure how to blaspheme a "great devotee of the Lord who preaches the glories of the Lord".


    Luckily people don't fall for this kind of ambivalence anymore and avoid such kind of "spiritual enlightenment" altogether.


    I was exactly where I needed to be. I had a need to understand God that could be filled only by Srimad-Bhagavatam, nothing less. And when I found it I was ready.



    Bitter? Hell, I'm grateful. I got what I needed from them, and when I asked hard questions directly of my pastors, at least they didn't lie. That doesn't mean I didn't see through pretense of what the Bhagavatam calls kaitava dharma. As Krishna das Kaviraja says,

    ajnana-tamera nama kahiye ‘kaitava'

    dharma-artha-kama-moksa-vancha adi saba

    The darkness of ignorance is called kaitava, the way of cheating, which begins with religiosity, economic development, sense gratification and liberation.



    Yes, honest appreciation for any move toward God in order to show us what real movement toward the Godhead is. The first thing I learned from him is that Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. The second is that anything less than pure devotion to Krishna has no real use.

    Looks like rather unteachable by vedic proof. Gladly the Lord has multiple device management system how to teach the unteachable.


    Madhudviṣa: “The ten offenses to avoid while chanting the mahā- mantra. Number one: Blaspheming the Lord’s devotee.”


    Prabhupāda: Now just try to understand. Any devotee of Lord should not be blasphemed. It doesn’t matter in any country. Just like Lord Jesus Christ, he is a great devotee. And even Muhammad, he’s also a devotee. It is not that because we are devotee and they are not devotee. Don’t think like that. Anyone who is preaching the glories of God, he is a devotee. He should not be blasphemed. You should be careful. Then?


    What prayer? "God, give me something to eat"? It's better than nothing, I guess, but you might want to check Srila Prabhupada's response to that. Even though I thought about it, even prayed about it, when I was young, I had no clue how to pray until I read chapter 8 of the Bhagavatam's first canto.


    Bow down? I grew up in the Methodist Church, went to a Presbyterian Church for a couple of years (until their anti-Catholic teachings in Sunday school freaked me out), and to an Episcopal church when I was a teenager. No one taught me to bow down to anyone. When I was seven, I asked our minister what God was like. He was not only stumped, but flabbergasted to encounter such a question. No one could tell us what it means to love God with all your heart and your neighbor as yourself. But tithing, well, they understood that.


    I was inherently religious from as far back as I can remember (well, maybe spiritual--I don't know), but I got nothing but cheating religion until I met Prabhupada's disciples in 1969. It was a great relief to find, in the second verse of the Bhagavatam, that cheating religion is the first thing we reject.


    There are Christians whom I respect, who seem to have grasped the spirit of Jesus' teachings. But they're few and far between, especially in the churches.

    This is rather a disappointing presentation and lacking differentation between present corrupted Christianity and Jesus Christ as characterized by the acaryas, as, "great devotee of the Lord".


    Even Seventh-Day Adventist can explain how corruption entered the Church whereas Vaishnava institutions foolishly conclude, Jesus and present Christianity is projjhita, cheating religion.


    At least when studying the great acaryas' literarily essence we don't find this type of superficiality but instead adequate etiquette to address Lord Jesus not as cheater, but as bonafide son of God.


    My personal advice to present Vaishnava institutions therefore is, stopp the lifestyle of aparadha/platform of kanistha and become firmly situated as madhyama-adikari as ordered by Srila Prabhupada.


    Madhudviṣa: “The ten offenses to avoid while chanting the mahā- mantra. Number one: Blaspheming the Lord’s devotee.”


    Prabhupāda: Now just try to understand. Any devotee of Lord should not be blasphemed. It doesn’t matter in any country. Just like Lord Jesus Christ, he is a great devotee. And even Muhammad, he’s also a devotee. It is not that because we are devotee and they are not devotee. Don’t think like that. Anyone who is preaching the glories of God, he is a devotee. He should not be blasphemed. You should be careful. Then?

    Lecture & Initiation

    by His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda

    Seattle, October 20, 1968

  6. If St John said, "In the beginning there was the Word", and Goethe said, "In the beginning there was the deed", I would like to say, "In the beginning there was sound". And for that it is important to dwell on the very simple fact that sound is perceived by the ear.


    Ultrasound Shown to Exert Remote Control of Brain Circuits


    Released: Wed 29-Oct-2008, 08:00 ET



    In a twist on nontraditional uses of ultrasound, a group of neuroscientists at Arizona State University has developed pulsed ultrasound techniques that can remotely stimulate brain circuit activity. Their findings, published in the Oct. 29 issue of the journal Public Library of Science (PLoS) One, provide insights into how low-power ultrasound can be harnessed for the noninvasive neurostimulation of brain circuits and offers the potential for new treatments of brain disorders and disease.While it might be hard to imagine the day where doctors could treat post traumatic stress disorders, traumatic brain injury and even Alzheimer’s disease with the flip of a switch, most of us have in fact experienced some of ultrasound’s numerous applications in our daily lives. For example, ultrasound has been used in fetal and other diagnostic medical imaging, ultrasonic teeth cleaning, physiotherapies, or surgical ablation. Ultrasound also provides a multitude of other non-medical uses, including pharmaceutical manufacturing, food processing, nondestructive materials testing, sonar, communications, oceanography and acoustic mapping.

    “Studies of ultrasound and its interactions with biological tissues have a rich history dating back to the late 1920s,” lead investigator William “Jamie” Tyler points out. “Several research groups have, for more than a half-century, demonstrated that ultrasound can produce changes in excitable tissues, such as nerve and/or muscle, but detailed studies in neurons at the cellular level have been lacking.”

    “We were able to unravel how ultrasound can stimulate the electrical activity of neurons by optically monitoring the activity of neuronal circuits, while we simultaneously propagated low-intensity, low-frequency ultrasound through brain tissues,” says Tyler, assistant professor of neurobiology and bioimaging in the School of Life Sciences in the College of Liberal Arts and Sciences.

    Led by Tyler, the ASU research group discovered that remotely delivered low intensity, low frequency ultrasound (LILFU) increased the activity of voltage-gated sodium and calcium channels in a manner sufficient to trigger action potentials and the release of neurotransmitter from synapses. Since these processes are fundamental to the transfer of information among neurons, the authors pose that this type of ultrasound provides a powerful new tool for modulating the activity of neural circuits.

    “Many of the stimulation methods used by neuroscientists require the use and implantation of stimulating electrodes, requiring direct contact with nervous tissue or the introduction of exogenous proteins, such as those used for the light-activation of neurons,” Tyler explains.

    The search for new types of noninvasive neurostimulation methods led them to revisit ultrasound.

    “We were quite surprised to find that ultrasound at power levels lower than those typically used in routine diagnostic medical imaging procedures could produce an increase in the activity of neurons while higher power levels produced very little effect on their activity,” Tyler says.

    Other neuroscientists and engineers have also been rapidly developing new neurostimulation methods for controlling nervous system activity and several approaches show promise for the treatment of a wide variety of nervous system disorders. For example, Deep Brain Stimulation (DBS) and Vagal Nerve Stimulation (VNS) have been shown to be effective in the management of psychiatric disorders such as depression, bipolar disorders, post-traumatic stress disorder, and drug addition, as well as for therapies of neurological diseases such as Parkinson’s disease, Alzheimer’s disease, Tourette Syndrome, epilepsy, dystonia, stuttering, tinnitus, recovery of cognitive and motor function following stroke, and chronic pain. Up until now, these two techniques have captured the attention of physicians and scientists; however, these therapies still pose risks to patients because they require the surgical implantation of stimulating electrodes. Thus, these types of therapies are often only available to patients presenting the worst of prognoses.

    One prior stumbling block to using ultrasound noninvasively in the brain has been the skull. However, the acoustic frequencies utilized by Tyler and his colleagues to construct their pulsed ultrasound waveforms, overlap with a frequency range where optimal energy gains are achieved between transcranial transmission and brain absorption of ultrasound – which allows the ultrasound to penetrate bone and yet prevent damage to the soft tissues. Their findings are supported by other studies examining the potential of high-intensity focused ultrasound for ablating brain tissues, where it was shown that low-frequency ultrasound could be focused through human skulls.

    When asked about the potential of using his groups’ methods to remotely control brain activity, Tyler says: “One might be able to envision potential applications ranging from medical interventions to use in video gaming or the creation of artificial memories along the lines of Arnold Schwarzenegger’s character in ‘Total Recall.’ Imagine taking a vacation without actually going anywhere?”

    “Obviously, we need to conduct further research and development, but one of the most exhilarating prospects is that low intensity, low frequency ultrasound permit deep-brain stimulation procedures without requiring exogenous proteins or surgically implanted medical devices,” he adds.

    Tyler and the other ASU researchers will now focus on further characterization of the influence of ultrasound on intact brain circuits and translational research, taking low intensity ultrasound from the lab into pre-clinical trials and treatment of neurological diseases.

  7. Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:06pm EDT

    Oldest Hebrew Text Ever Found


    By Ari Rabinovitch


    JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Archaeologists in Israel said on Thursday they had unearthed the oldest Hebrew text ever found, while excavating a fortress city overlooking a valley where the Bible says David slew Goliath.




    The dig's uncovering of the past near the ancient battlefield in the Valley of Elah, now home to wineries and a satellite station, could have implications for the emotional debate over the future of Jerusalem, some 20 km (12 miles) away.


    Archaeologists from the Hebrew University said they found five lines of text written in black ink on a shard of pottery dug up at a five-acre (two-hectare) site called Elah Fortress, or Khirbet Qeiyafa.


    Experts have not yet been able to decipher the text fully, but carbon dating of artifacts found at the site indicates the Hebrew inscription was written about 3,000 years ago, predating the Dead Sea Scrolls by 1,000 years, the archaeologists said.


    Several words, including "judge,slave" and "king," could be identified and the experts said they hoped the text would shed light on how alphabetic scripts developed.


    In a finding that could have symbolic value for Israel, the archaeologists said other items discovered at the fortress dig indicated there was most likely a strong king and central government in Jerusalem during the period scholars believe that David ruled the holy city and ancient Israel.


    Modern-day Israel often cites a biblical connection through David to Jerusalem in supporting its claim, which has not won recognition internationally, to all of the city as its "eternal and indivisible capital."


    Palestinians, saying biblical claims have been superseded by the long-standing Arab population in Jerusalem, want the eastern part of the city, captured by Israel in a 1967 war, to be the capital of the state they hope to establish in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.


    "The chronology and geography of Khirbet Qeiyafa create a unique meeting point between the mythology, history, historiography and archaeology of King David," said Yosef Garfinkel, the lead archaeologist at the fortress site.


    In this thread I have accepted forum members criticism, that I am a Hare Christian (to open a point of discussion).

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    The actual criticism will come from present Vaishnava institutions who see Jesus as actual thread against their presently installed spiritual level.


    Since Christians believe that Jesus is so powerful to give guidance from within and absorb sins they consider Jesus as their diksa-guru.


    When it comes to present Vaishnava institutions they made laws to ban any members who speak out to become disciples of Bhaktivedanta Swami.


    In other words, the spiritual understanding of present Vaishnava institutions is that they badly failed to make a new revision, a new version of vedic siddhanta, but fully depend on taking siksa from Prabhupada, but when it comes that someone is considering to see Prabhupada not only as his siksa-guru but also his diksa-guru, he is excommunicated and told to leave.


    What the Vaishnava institutions or "stonehearted" are de facto preaching is that worship of Lord Jesus is rather humbug, or they say, Lord Jesus has the power to initiate whereas Prabhupada, the siksa-guru of all present gurus, has no power, is unable to guide you from within and absorb your sinful reactions.


    Since this looks rather like easy to see through arbitrariness and not like a genuine presentation of vedic knowledge, could be that therefore the only remaining answer of many is not to present intelligent reason but primitively deride Lord Jesus.


    In other words, such folks find themselves immediately in the company of quarreling kanistha-adikari/aparadhi/mental speculators and when examining the present preaching perfomance of Western Vaishnava institutions this option could be hitting the mark.


    Oh, has this been established as fact? I wasn't aware of that. What sort of sukriti could be created by eating the flesh of poor, slaughtered animals, especially cows?

    Good point, agreed, that seems the actual reason! Vaishnavas have badly failed to actually uplift struggling Christianity, because they themselves are stuck in struggling?


    Instead we find Vaishnavas preaching, Christianity = uncurable meat eaters. Guess Prabhupada was not so unsuccessful in turning Christinas into vegetarians and always pointed out that Jesus taught "thou shallt not kill" and many things what Vaishnavas also believe.


    Like God is the Supreme Person. But since modern Vaishnavas are so much against "material designations" like Christianity who preach to believe in a personal God, why bother, why preach to those and help them to advance?


    When Prabhupada writes in Srimad-Bhagvatam, "Jesus Christ and Muhammad, two powerful devotees of the Lord, have done tremendous service on behalf of the Lord on the surface of the globe", present Vaishnava leaders say, oh, Prabhupada was a Hare Christian?


    We must remember Srila Prabhupada did say, christian, hindu, buddhist, muslim etc are all material designations. Why? Because the designation is influenced by the modes.

    Since you insist upon presenting christian as mundane bodily designation, what about a christian who is vegetarian, chants all day the holy name of God and preaches that love of God and to 24h serve God is the highest goal in life?


    Btw, without Christianity you wouldnt be able to read and write. Did you know that in India 400 million people are illiterate? Since you need to know how to read for studying sastra but learned how to read in a Christian school, another prove that without Christianity nobody would be Vaishnava.


    And since Christianity made it possible that people become Vaishnavas, one shouldnt be constantly badmouthing these humble servants of Vaishnavism.



    Pure bhakti in the Gaudiya tradition is said to be in the stage of suddha-sattva, not influenced by the material modes.

    Since there would be today no Vaishnavism possible in the West without Abrahamic pioneer work, it is of course kind of primitive and artificial move trying to redline and exclude Abrahmic teaching from the path of pure bhakti.


    Rather the great acaryas like Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura always taught how to dovetail and not to compulsively eradicate things which are in fact part of present Vaishnavism.


    Can a sannyasi say, I reject my mother because she's a woman? Without his mother he could have never become a learned renunciate. So these are foolish ideas, we find nowhere in the Vedas.


    Since the acaryas even teach that Lord Jesus is a great devotee of the Lord, we find our so called advanced spiritual position immediatey in the camp of aparadhi when debasing and villyfying those who see things in proper context as Hare Christians.


    Never have understood this approach by some Vedantists as theoretically speaking even if the story of Jesus is not true it is a beautiful and divine story in my book so there is no need to deride the followers of Jesus. I find the story of Jesus to be as beautiful and divine as any story I have read in Srimad Bhagavatam and I have a high level of respect for the divinity of Srimad Bhagavatam so I don't view it as some sort of competition as to who is more divine, Hindus or Christians.

    As we see in Srimad-Bhagavatam, no mentioning that worship of Jesus is useless and that you need a living guru instead. If Jesus cannot still absorb sinful reactions and guide you from within, the acaryas would have mentioned it.

    Instead it says, Jesus and Muhammad are powerful devotees.



    Even those who are constantly engaged in sinful acts are all corrigible to the standard of perfect human beings if they take shelter of the devotees of the Lord. Jesus Christ and Muhammad, two powerful devotees of the Lord, have done tremendous service on behalf of the Lord on the surface of the globe. And from the version of Śrīla Śukadeva Gosvāmī it appears that instead of running a godless civilization in the present context of the world situation, if the leadership of world affairs is entrusted to the devotees of the Lord, for which a worldwide organization under the name and style of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness has already been started, then by the grace of the Almighty Lord there can be a thorough change of heart in human beings all over the world because the devotees of the Lord are able authorities to effect such a change by purifying the dust-worn minds of the people in general.

    SB 2.4.18


    Since Western civilization is basically Christian background, genuine Vaishnavas should teach that without Lord Jesus' pioneer work, the Western world would not yet be ready to go further for understanding Vaishnava philosophy.


    Without Lord Jesus there would be right now the whole Western world full of nothing but illiterate Neanderthal men fighting against each other about bread.


    Not to properly recognize the position of Jesus but calling oneself a Vaishnava means to live in aparadha against Jesus, a powerful devotee of the Lord, as Prabhupada and other great acaryas mentioned several times.


    To say, Jesus can guide you from within, di, and absorb your sins, ksa, means you accept Jesus can give you diksa.


    To say that the current siksa-guru of all present Vaishnavas, Srila Prabhupada, cannot do this, guide people from within and absorb sinful reactions, means people are having a severe error in reasoning.


    Either they say, Jesus is powerful he can do this. Prabhupada is too weak he cannot do this. Or they believe that worship of Jesus is humbug and useless. Both understandings are actually aparadha, hampering and strangling your spiritual development.


    But in any case, since there's presently no Vaishnava who presented a new chapter of refined vedic siddhanta but only repeat what Prabhupada presented in his books, they all are nothing but siksa disciples of Prabhupada. In other words, Prabhupada is the guru of them all. They simply must be taught about how to properly understand Prabhupada's books.

  13. Two million American Hindus ‘would not endorse any presidential candidate’

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    Sunday, 26th October 2008. 6:36am


    By: Judy West.


    American Hindus, numbering around two million, would not endorse any single candidate for the November four presidential election, it has been reported.

    </td><td class="MainText" align="center" valign="top" width="29%">zed.gif</td></tr></tbody></table>The Indo-American Hindu leader Rajan Zed, in a statement in Nevada (USA) today, said that religion was something sacred and spiritual; a tool for communication with God; ‘human response to divine Reality’; and meant for focusing the heart/mind of the devotee to some higher ideal. It should not be associated with materialistic objectives like partisan politics.


    Zed, who is the president of Universal Society of Hinduism, points out that most Hindus are well versed with nitisastra, covering political science and political ethics in all its practical aspects. Moreover, ancient Sanskrit scriptures like Atharva-veda, Aitareya Brahmana, Arthasastra of Kautilya, Santiparvan in Mahabharata, Barhaspatya Arthasastra, Nitisara, etc., have educated them to make wise political decisions.


    Zed says that he has received lot of pressure to endorse presidential and other candidates but has stayed away from this ‘allurement’. Religious organizations and leaders can work for spreading justice, freedom, responsibility, righteousness and fairness; but religion loses moral power when it gets involved in partisan politics.


    But Zed has asked all eligible Hindu-Americans to stand up and vote, because it puts them in the driver’s seat; helps them control their future, speak their mind, and make others listen; and demands respect. “Hindus are prudent enough to vote with their well-formed conscience in the November 4 general election for president; federal, state, district, and city offices; measures and constitutional amendments,” he said.


    He added that there was no ‘divine political blueprint for us human beings to implement’. Hindus are well versed with the concept of dharma (righteousness) and can distinguish it from adharma (unrighteousness). Anything that has to do with materialism is inevitably transitory, he said.




  14. Tuesday, October 28, 2008


    Hindus Second Largest Religious Community in New Zealand


    Hindus Second Largest Religious Community in New Zealand

    In a historic event for the Hindu community in the island country, New Zealand Prime Minister Helen Clark inaugurated the first New Zealand Hindu Conference, by lighting the holy lamp at the Hindu Heritage Centre in Auckland on May 12, 2007.


    Hindus Second Largest Religious Community in NZ

    The theme of the conference was "Contribution of Hindu Community to the National Life of New Zealand". The keynote address was presented by Dr Guna Magesan, general secretary, Hindu Council of New Zealand Inc and a senior scientist with NZ government research organisation. In his presentation, he highlighted the fact, based on NZ census 2006, that Hindu community is the second largest faith-based community in New Zealand and that it grew by 62% in the last 5 years.


    Hindu Contribution to New Zealand

    The Prime Minister acknowledged the Hindu contribution to the national life of New Zealand in her special address to the audience. Dr Magesan, in his keynote address, mentioned how Hindu doctors and nurses are providing services by working for the various health boards and also running successful private hospitals, thereby fulfilling the shortage of skills in the health sector. In terms of economics, he explained how the Hindu migrants moved from mini business (corner dairy shops) to mega projects in a few decades. In education, the number of graduates, post graduates and doctoral degree holders in Hindu community multiplied three fold as compared to the total population, in percentage terms. In social and cultural aspects, Dr Magesan showed evidences of strengthening bonds between Hindus and Maori community, and also how Hindus have integrated with the New Zealand society while maintaining the Hindu identity intact.


    Manukau: Hindu Capital of NZ

    Sir Barry Curtis, the Mayor of Manukau city, mentioned that Manukau is the Hindu capital of New Zealand since a large number of Hindus live in the Manukau county. Haare Williams, the kaumatua (a Maori elder) and Tangata Whenua (son of the soil), blessed the occasion with a Maori traditional prayer. Swami Vigyananand of the World Hindu Council chanted a Hindu prayer on the auspicious occasion.


    A number of Hindu dignitaries from overseas attended the event. Aruneshwar Gupta, President of Hindu Heritage Foundation; Ravi Kumar, joint coordinator Sewa International; Vijay Singhal, Secretary of Hindu Council of Australia; and Swami Sanyuktanand from Fiji Sevashram Sangha participated in the conference. The welcome address was given by Vinod Kumar, a successful businessman from Auckland, and the President of the Hindu Council of New Zealand Inc. Shri Sridhara Mysore, the media and PR coordinator of Hindu Council of New Zealand Inc., was the master of ceremony.


    2008 Conference

    Following the success of this conference, and to satisfy the expectations of the audience, next year's conference will be held from 16 - 18 May 2008 with the theme "Sustaining New Zealand Communities with Yoga, Meditation and Ayurveda".


    For more information, please contact Dr Guna Magesan, Conference Coordinator




    I think they are imploding the world economy and it has been engineered as such in an effort to bring about a more and more centralized world government. Ultimately there will be no middle class and no individual property ownership only a ruling elite with all the wealth of the world that will dictate the lives of everyone on Earth. Through excessive taxation and a world police state etc. they will make it impossible for the plebians to rise out of the slave class. That is what they are shooting for but Russia doesn't want to play that game even though America is giving in and owned by these international bankers. The ultimate goal of the NWO corporate globalists is to cull the population of the Earth by 80% through eugenics, wars, etc. Their brave new world is too difficult to manage with the population levels on the Earth right now.

    Thanks AncientMariner, yes, they constantly advance their agenda.

    It is the central banking cartel that has both the motive and the means to take over the world. It is the head of the octopus. Intelligence agencies, mass media, politicians, tycoons etc. are among countless octopus arms.


    The "motive" is to protect its fraudulent private monopoly over public (government) credit money creation which is worth trillions and trillions. They need a "world government" to ensure that no nation creates its own interest free money or defaults on the loans the bankers created out of nothing.


    The "means" of course is unlimited money funnelled through their network of cartels, which allows them to own the government, mass media, education etc. Anyone who succeeds in public life is their puppet or unconsciously serves their agenda to exercise covert control on the ground.


    About 1770, a syndicate of bankers designed how to subvert society.

    According to Edith Starr Miller, the goals were the destruction of Christianity, monarchies and nation-states.


    The ideology behind this world tyranny is that man (i.e. the bankers) can usurp the place of God and redefine reality.


    The world government tyranny is the only conquest to take place without the knowledge of the conquered.


    When alien bankers control the purse strings, inevitably the State becomes synonymous with these bankers. The State is a ruse used to manipulate the masses, "public" in name only. This is the truth behind the "make-believe".


    The fraudulent nature of our public life all stems from the fundamental fraud of public credit. Thus we have a government sponsored depopulation program.


    The world has been taken over by a demoniac cult. We are under constant attack. Instead of fighting among ourselves like they want, we must recognize that this struggle has only two sides – God's and maya's.

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    Altering the Food Supply

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    According to disclosed documents, minutes of a series of private meetings of representatives of 27 governments disclose plans to "speed up" the introduction of the modified crops and foods and to "deal with" public resistance to them.


    Forget about immoral wars based on lies that result in the murder of hundreds of thousands of people, including the soldiers who "followed orders" and die in those wars. Forget about false flag operations like the Reichstag fire, 9/11, and the London bombings, when world leaders murder their own people in order to frighten them into submission. Forget about the international banking conspiracy to control all of the wealth on earth. Forget about the bio weapon programs run by our government that increased dramatically under the Bush administration, where an accident, an earthquake (or an evil individual like Dick Cheney) could potentially unleash life-ending viruses onto the nation and the world. And forget about the criminal suppression of technologies that would provide enough clean and cheap energy to fulfill all our needs.

    If there is one reason that serves as an even stronger reason for the people of this planet to unite and storm virtually every government associated with the ruling establishment, it is the secretive, but confirmed, manipulation of the food chain of the entire planet! The people who rule this planet are altering the food chain in a way that is irreversible and in a way that could possibly lead to the extinction of life on earth!

    As part of a presentation I give on media deception (in which I show people what media deception is and teach them how to spot it), I spend a short time talking about the ridiculous myth that Americans live in some sort of democracy. To illustrate this, I ask people who attend my presentations whether their consent was requested by our government before some scientists, some horrible evil scientists who misused their knowledge to create the world's most destructive weapons, detonated the first hydrogen bomb. You see, when these scientists detonated the first H-Bomb they were not certain as to whether or not the explosion would be contained. Hydrogen bombs detonate in the atmosphere. The scientists in charge raised some concern that testing the bomb might cause the entire planet to explode in a huge nuclear chain reaction. Yet they went ahead despite this calculated risk! Your government risked your life and the lives of everyone who lived on earth that day. And they risked the lives of everyone who will live on this planet in the future. If you ask me...the people who decided that this would be OK, and the people who followed the orders of the decision makers, should have been charge with crimes against humanity and hanged...or worse!

    Today, this risk is being taken without your consent again! Genetically modified crops and livestock are being infused into our food chain, forever changing the genetic makeup of our plants and animals. We have no idea what problems this may cause. We have no idea how this will affect our own health or the health of the ecosystem. We don't know if or how viruses that infect any GM animals may mutate and kill us all. There is a clear risk that if you break one link in the food chain, the entire chain can collapse. And then what?

    We recently had a big scare that still has not been resolved. You probably don't know much about it because we don't have a national news media in this nation. We have a perception management industry that is called mainstream media, but their job is to keep your false impression of reality alive and well. While they were reporting around the clock about the activities about two pre-selected presidential candidates, they made sure you did not pay too much attention to the fact that bees all over this planet started to mysteriously die off. Well, something was killing them, and no one knew what that was. There are some indications that GM crops caused them to mysteriously die off. Remember that without bees we have no pollination and as a result, for the most part, no plants. That means there are no trees or flowers to provide the earth with most of its food. And that also means that we significantly reduce the supply of oxygen that green plants give us in exchange for our carbon dioxide. And that's pretty scary.

    However, the bee issue pales in comparison to the even scarier human (corporate and government) manipulation of the genetic makeup of plants and animals on this planet. Talk about big government! It does not get any bigger than that! It's one thing to tell me whom I can marry or what kind of sex I may enjoy, but it is a far greater crime to tamper with my food supply!

    Many people have different opinions as to why governments are tampering with our food. Some believe it is conspiracy to control the profits of food sales. Monsanto, for example, has manipulated corn so that the corn does not produce seeds, and assures that farmers consistently have to buy new seeds...from whom?...from Monsanto of course! Not a bad business model...with a little help from legislators. Others believe that eugenics is at play here. It is a well kept secret that the global ruling elite have concluded that in order for the human species to survive we must bring the world population down to about 500,000 people. Well, we are closing in on 7 billion people on this planet. If the population of the world continues to grow at the current rate, we are about 10 years away from having to go to war over access to drinking water!

    But no matter what the reason...the fact that my food supply is being tampered without any explanation, and without a way to reverse the changes...makes me want to ge out there and hang people. I have never been angrier than I am over this issue. I know that it is a crime to threaten people or to instigate a revolution. But I am going to say what needs to be said...there are people on this planet that have taken over aspects of life on earth and have left us with no way to protect ourselves from them or the ramifications of their actions. These people are at this moment secretively manipulating your life. They are murdering you. They are murdering your children. And I'll tell you this...I would have no problem marching those bastards to the gallows!

    According to disclosed documents, minutes of a series of private meetings of representatives of 27 governments disclose plans to "speed up" the introduction of the modified crops and foods and to "deal with" public resistance to them. OK, then I say that society should speed up an effort to eliminate these dangerous people...and then "deal with the government resistance!"

    And to you police officers, FBI agents, CIA agents, Department of Homeland Security thugs and Blackwater hit men, you are all victims as well. You need to think about that before you protect those bastards! I am on your side! Remember that.

    You know...sometimes I feel like the John McCarthy character at the end of the film, Invasion of the Body Snatchers! I sound crazy telling everyone about the pods...but, my friends...trucks of pods overturn on highways every day...you just have to stop for a moment to ask what they are! Heed the warnings...we really don't have much time left. Think about it. Jesse Richard - Editor, TvNewsLIES.org.



    Who are you to moderate me?



    Don't talk more foolish nonsense first answer this question, when a high court judge makes the right quote from the lawbook, hasnt he realized jurisprudence? He has fully realized jurisprudence! And you know it, but are too arrogent to admit it! In fact he's getting paid a huge salary for quoting from the lawbook. Making the right quote according to the requirements of a particular legal procedure.


    Similarly, when Prabhupada received academic guests, he always used to have a disciple read appropriate Bhagavad-gita verses backing up what he explained. Does this mean mean Prabhupada couldnt speak vijnana, realized knowledge, because he backed up everything by sastra?


    No, only some layman would speculate in this way.

    Prabhupada always quoted Sanskrit verses because it is taught by Lord Krishna, who also quotes from sastra.



    I've heard theorys of Jesus not dying and moving

    Yes, the great acaryas did not say worship of Jesus is wrong. Jesus stopped to exist, is dead and gone, the acaryas never spoke like this.


    However, what we have today, so called followers of vedic culture teaching you need a living guru. In other words they live in constant aparadha against Jesus.


    Since the Western hemisphere/civilization is based upon the teachings of Jesus is this a good idea, to say, worship of Jesus is humbug, feeblemindedness, idiocy, imbecility, moronism. You need instead a living guru?


    At least the great acaryas never preached to live in permanent aparadha against Jesus but to always free yourself from aparadha.


    And the genuine true followers of Jesus never indulging in presumptuousness, pretentiousness, insolence or overbearance of such kind, to take a seat on Jesus Christ's vyasasana.


    Although yes, admitted, they need some help how to prepare prasadam.


    thanks, sd

  19. This is of course something that never should happen, people getting so much identified with materialism. We always have to understand that every crisis can be overcome and to always keep one's countenance.

    Businessman Shoots Self over Financial Losses

    Oct 26, NEW DELHI, INDIA (EXPRESS NEWS SVC) — Global economic meltdown repercussions touch Vrindaban, Mathura region.


    A 40-year-old businessman committed suicide in the Narela area of Outer district, reportedly because of financial losses, police said on Sunday. Officers said Ashish Lal Khatri was reportedly neck deep in debt and was upset over losses in his hotel business.

    Investigations revealed that he ran five hotels, including one in Vrindavan. “One of his hotels is under construction in Mathura, in Uttar Pradesh. He had taken big loans from people,” said the officer.

    “When he was alone in his room this morning, he shot himself from point-blank range with an unlicenced pistol. He died on the spot,” a senior officer said. “As his family members heard the gunshot, they broke into the room and found him lying in a pool of blood on the floor,” said the officer.

    The incident was reported around 9 am. The police took Khatri to a nearby hospital, where he was declared dead on arrival.

    With no suicide note being recovered from the house, the police said the exact reason behind the extreme step taken by Khatri was not clear yet. “No suicide note has been recovered, so we don’t know if anyone was bothering him or threatening him. We are probing the matter,” said the senior officer.

    The police said they had confiscated the unlicenced, Chinese-make pistol used in the suicide. “We are trying to verify from where he got the weapon, as he didn’t have an arms licence,” said an investigating officer.

    Khatri lived with his wife and their son. The police said he was also into the real estate business.

    Deputy Commissioner of Police (Outer) Atul Katiyar said: “We have registered a case under the Arms Act and are waiting for the postmortem report.”

    When asked if they suspected any foul play, Katiyar said: “From initial investigations, no foul play is suspected. An inquiry, however, is being carried out.” The police said they were also waiting for a statement by the victim’s family, who were not in a position to talk about the incident at this moment.


    Hahahahah.... bhwaaaaaaaa....


    Really man... You are really pathetically funny. Stupidity incarnate.



    When the high court judge quotes from the law book, you say he has no realized knowledged?


    He should better mumble his own crap opinion like you do all day?


    Guess you're a sick and stupido ass, fool and rascal.


    If I would moderate this place rats like you would be banned forever.


    Nope, Srikanth is right...

    Knowledge is known as Jnana in Sanskrit...

    However it is still incomplete, because it has not yet reached the stage of Vi-jnana, that is Realised Knowledge.

    Nope, Srikanth is foolishly wrong and you the same - stupid idiot, even realized knowledge has to backed up by quote!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Since I posted a quote 100% covering the whole issue, this is vijnana.

    To present the right quote is vijnana, why jnana? Are you mad?

    How someone can be such an idiot to say, when a high court judge makes the right quote from the lawbook, oh, he hasnt realized it? Only total fools and rascals, stupid asses!

    Finding out that the high court judge was right and fully realized, while quoting from the lawbook, when sitting behind bars.





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    20081019pm_Vrndavana.wmv20081018_Vrndavana PM tape 1.wmv

    20081018_Vrndavana PM tape 2.wmv20081018_Vrndavana Class AM.wmv20081017_Vrndavana PM tape 1.wmv

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    20081016_Vrndavana PM Tape1.wmv

    20081016pm_Vrndavan Class tape 2.wmv

    20081016_Vrndavana Class AM.wmv

    20081015pm Vrndavana tape 1.wmv20081015pm Vrndavan tape 2.wmv20081015 Vrndavana am.wmv20081014 pm Vrndavan tape 2.wmv20081014_Vrndavan Class PM tape 1.wmv20081014 am Vrndavan class and sankalpa.wmv20081012_Vrndavan arrival at Gopinatha Bhavan.wmv


    20081026pm_Govardhan Class English Translation.mp3

    20081026am_Vrindavan Class English Translation.mp3

    20081025am_Vrindavan Class English Translation.mp3

    20081024pm_Vrindavan Class English Translation.mp3

    20081023pm_Vrindavan Srila BR Sridhara Maharaja appearance festival Hari-katha.mp3

    20081021_Vrindavan Class PM English Translation.mp3

    20081020_Vrindavan Class English Translation Damodar Lila AM.mp3

    20081017_Vrindavan Class AM English Translation.mp3

    20081016_Vrindavan Class English Translation AM Not Complete.mp3

    20081015_Vrindavan English Translation Damodar Lila.mp3

    20081015_Vrindavan Class PM English Translation.mp3



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