muralidhar_das
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Back in the USSR we write Math like this.
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The Math is not a place of calculation.
It is a place where people practice jnana-sunya bhakti.
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Kshamabuddhi,
Go to Haora station and ask people where to get a train to Navadvipa.
I don't know where your train will take you, but I hope you enjoy the trip.
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For anyone who would like to go there, the temple of Srila Sridhar Maharaj is Sri Chaitanya Saraswat Math, in Nabadwip.
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Srila Sridhara Maharaja
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Sri Caitanya Saraswata Matha
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Navadvipa
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sure, more than ritvik.If he inherits the property and all the assets that is more than ritvik for sure.
but, the spiritual succession was "ritvik".
Srila Sridhar Dev Goswami Maharaj: More than Rtvik. Whatever it may be, I am giving power. Just as "yauva-raja". When the King installs his son as King and retires himself, what will be the result? As Dasarath wanted to do with Ramchandra. The King gives all the authority of a king to the son and retires to go to the jungle although he is living with full power and glory.
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Did Sridhar Maharaja ever order his secretary to print your writings in the Matha publication?For your information, it is Math, not Matha; and my Guru Maharaj's name is "Sridhar" not Sridhara.
As far as authorization goes, I was personally authorized by Srila Sridhar Maharaj (for your information, we call him "Srila" not just Sridhara Maharaj), to edit and publish HIS lectures.
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That wasn't the official declaration.That was said under duress from Dr. Asthan.
Read the official declaration and quit trying to fool people.
official statement here:
How do you know that? Were you there?
Oh, that's right, you never went there once, did you?
Badrinarayan made up this story. He is in jail now in Canada and he will be there for a long, long time.
But anyhow, you yourself have posted this statement just a few minutes ago:
<table cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" width="98%"> <tbody><tr><td colspan="2">Public Declaration</td> </tr> <tr> <td>
</td> <td>by Srila Bhakti Rakshak Sridhar Dev-Goswami Maharaj
I have previously given to him the charge of the Math and now I am giving him the full responsibility of giving Harinam, diksha, sannyasa, etc., as an Acharya of this Math on behalf of myself. </td></tr></tbody> </table>
Are you having problems reading?
Maybe you need glasses because you seem to see everything from a distorted perspective.
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Am I the only person that can read?
It seems to me that you are the only person who cannot read
Srila Sridhar Dev Goswami Maharaj:
You all know from long ago I have chosen Sriman Bhakti Sundar Govinda Maharaj and I have given him sannyasa. All my Vaishnava Godbrothers are very affectionate towards him and it is also their desire to give him this position. I have previously given to him the charge of the Math and now I am giving him the full responsibility of giving Harinam, diksha, sannyasa, etc., as an Acharya of this Math on behalf of myself.
Srila Sridhar Dev Goswami Maharaj: More than Rtvik. Whatever it may be, I am giving power. Just as "yauva-raja". When the King installs his son as King and retires himself, what will be the result? As Dasarath wanted to do with Ramchandra. The King gives all the authority of a king to the son and retires to go to the jungle although he is living with full power and glory.
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Srila Sridhar Dev Goswami Maharaj:
You all know from long ago I have chosen Sriman Bhakti Sundar Govinda Maharaj and I have given him sannyasa. All my Vaishnava Godbrothers are very affectionate towards him and it is also their desire to give him this position. I have previously given to him the charge of the Math and now I am giving him the full responsibility of giving Harinam, diksha, sannyasa, etc., as an Acharya of this Math on behalf of myself.
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But some say that he was only directly empowered to be the acarya of the central math.Anyone can say anything. But what did Srila Sridhar Maharaj say?
Gaura Purnima, 26th March, 1986
According to the desire of my Divine Master, I have been maintaining this Disciplic Succession but it is no longer possible for me, as I am now too old and an invalid. You all know from long ago I have chosen Sriman Bhakti Sundar Govinda Maharaj and I have given him sannyasa. All my Vaishnava Godbrothers are very affectionate towards him and it is also their desire to give him this position. I have previously given to him the charge of the Math and now I am giving him the full responsibility of giving Harinam, diksha, sannyasa, etc., as an Acharya of this Math on behalf of myself.
Those who have any regard for me should give this respect and position to Govinda Maharaj as my successor. As much as you have faith in my sincerity, then with all sincerity I believe that he has got the capacity of rendering service in this way. With this I transfer these beads and from now he will initiate on my behalf as ritvik. The ritvik system is already involved both here and also in the foreign land. The ritvik is the representative. So if you want to take from me, and you take by his hands, then it will be as well and as good as taking from me.
In the Mahamandala, Sagar Maharaj and many others are also ritvik of Swami Maharaj and also myself. They may do so, but in this Math and in any Math under this Math, he will be the representative. If anyone cannot accept this, he may leave the Math rather than stay here and disturb the peace of the Math. With all my sincerity and good feelings to Guru-Gauranga, to the Vaishnavas and the Acharyas, Mahaprabhu, Pancha-Tattva, Radha-Govinda and Their Parshadas, with all my sincere prayers to Them, henceforth he will represent me in this affair beginning from today's function.
Now I shall go from here and he will do the necessary. On my behalf, he will give Harinama, diksha, sannyasa, and everything.
I have DVD's of this event that I can send to anyone who wants to see the whole thing for themself.
What happened to the concept of "devotees of free faith"?Everyone is free to follow their heart. But look at the politics of Iskcon and you will see the sort of chaos that can happen in a society of devotees where businessmen and spiritual novices are in control of temples and are giving orders to newcomers.
In this Math and in any Math under this Math Srila Govinda Maharaj is the representative. If you don't agree to that, then leave. That is what Srila Sridhar Maharaj said. Many times.
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Kshamabuddhi (Guruvani) never even met Srila Sridhar Maharaj.
Moreover, his ritvik-fantasy, in which he declares that Srila Govinda Maharaj was only appointed as a ritvik not as Guru, is a fantasy that he only believes in. He is the only person in the world who believes that Srila Govinda Maharaj was appointed as a ritvik not as Guru.
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Srila Sridhar Dev Goswami Maharaj: More than Rtvik. Whatever it may be, I am giving power. Just as "yauva-raja". When the King installs his son as King and retires himself, what will be the result? As Dasarath wanted to do with Ramchandra. The King gives all the authority of a king to the son and retires to go to the jungle although he is living with full power and glory.
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Srila Sridhar Dev Goswami Maharaj: For those that have got no sraddha, they may go away. They may not accept. I do not care. I don't accept them.
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What you think or do has no importance for me or any sincere person. Sincere people will not be fooled by your demented ravings.
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Srila Sridhar Dev Goswami Maharaj: For those that have got no sraddha, they may go away. They may not accept. I do not care. I don't accept them.
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You constantly abuse Srila Sridhar Maharaj's successor, who Guru Maharaj told his disciples to follow.
In doing that, you cut yourself off from Srila Sridhar Maharaj
Your decision
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Dr Asthana: I am a little worried about Srila Govinda Maharaj's position.
Srila Sridhar Dev Goswami Maharaj: I have given him, I have empowered him, to do all these things on my behlaf: Rtvik. I have appoited him to do all spiritual activity on my behalf.
Dr Asthana: But this "Rtvik" word is misinterpreted by many people.
Srila Sridhar Dev Goswami Maharaj: They may do so.
Dr Asthana: Some do not consider him as a direct successor; they consider him only as a Rtvik.
Srila Sridhar Dev Goswami Maharaj: More than Rtvik.
Dr Asthana: Eh?
Srila Sridhar Dev Goswami Maharaj: More than Rtvik. Whatever it may be, I am giving power. Just as "yauva-raja". When the King installs his son as King and retires himself, what will be the result? As Dasarath wanted to do with Ramchandra. The King gives all the authority of a king to the son and retires to go to the jungle although he is living with full power and glory.
Dr Asthana: Many people I have talked to do not consider the Rtvik to be the direct Guru. They say the Rtvik is Rtvik.
Srila Sridhar Dev Goswami Maharaj: Rtvik is Rtvik, but if such transfer of power is done then what harm? For those that have got no sraddha, they may go away. They may not accept. I do not care. I don't accept them.
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I am (in)famous for the controversial things I have said. Not just on the internet but everywhere I go. In a Vaishnava society such as Sri Chaitanya Saraswat Math a person like me will never get given any "position" or importance.Prabhu Muralidhar is the most learned western disciple of Srila Sridhar Maharaja. Too bad he is not traveling to different continents and preaching like Prabhu Srutasrava.Still, I will always have a home there. Dogs like me and my best friends (aravinda also said he wants to be Gurudev's dog), we can freely wander in from the street whenever we want. We can go and lie down in the dust next to Haricharan Prabhu or Aranya Maharaj and they will smile at us. Haricharan will pat me on the head, just like he has done before now, and for me that is better than any other goal of life.
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Srila Bhakti Siddhanta Saraswati Thakura is not the creator of the concept of a siksa-guru-parampara. Even Sankaracharya's sampradaya is a siksa guru parampara, as is the parampara of Madvacarya.
Someone with scanty knowledge of Gaudiya Vaishnava history, someone who had been infected by the philosophy of the jati-goswami followers, might think Saraswati Thakur was the origin. But this point of view is pure foolishness.
In Chaitanya Charitamrta we find that Srila Krishnadasa Kaviraja Goswami lists Raghunatha dasa Goswami as a disciple of his siksa-guru Sri Svarupa Damodara. His siksa guru. The siksa guru connection is given precedence over the diksa line of succession going from Advaita Acharya to Yadunandana Acharya to Raghunanatha das.
Moreover, Krishnadas Kaviraj always prays to Rupa-Raghunatha in CC, but never mentions the name of his diksa guru.
Baladeva Vidyabusana also presented the Parampara of Sri Chaitanya as a siksa guru parampara:
The fact is Padmanabha Tirtha, Nrihari Tirtha, Madhava Tirtha and Aksobhya Tirtha were all diksha (initiated) disciples of Madhva. They were not successive links in the diksha chain. Yet Baladeva Vidyabhushana states they were disciples of each other. These are all indisputable siksha links; Padmanabha gave siksa (instruction) to Nrihari, Nrihari instucted Madhava, etc.sri krsna brahma devarsi, badarayana samjnakan, sri madhva sri padmanabha, sriman nrhari madhavan aksobhya jaya-tirtha, sri jnanasindhu dayanidhi, sri vidyanidhi rajendra, jayadharma kramadvayam purusottama brahmanya, vyasa-tirthams ca samstumah, tato laksmipatim sriman, madhavendran ca bhaktitah tac-chisyan srisvaradvaita, nityanandan-jagat-gurun devam-isvara-sisyam-sri, caitanyan ca bhajamahe
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Sri Krishna's disciple was Brahma, whose disciple was the sage of the demigods, Narada. His disciple was Badarayana (Vyasa) whose disciple was Madhva. His disciple was Padmanabha, whose disciple was Nrihari. His disciple was Madhva whose disciple was Aksobhya, whose disciple was Jaya Tirtha. His disciple was Jnanasindhu, whose disciple was Dayanidhi. His disciple was Vidyanidhi whose disciple was Jayadharma. His disciple was Purusottama and his disciple was Brahmanya whose disciple was Vyasa Tirtha. His disciple was Laksmipati and his disciple was Madhavendra whose disciples were Isvara, Advaita and Nityananda the guru of the whole world. Another of his disciples was Sri Chaitanya who we offer our respects to.
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It is also a fact that in the Tattvavada Sampradaya (Madvacarya's sampradaya) they don't even get diksa at all in order to become members of the tradition. Their parampara is a siksa guru parampara and they do not chant the mantra that Madhavendra Puri gave to Ishwara Puri, Advaitacharya, Nityananda, Pundarika Vidyanihi (the Krishnaya govindaya gopijanaballabhaya mantra which is described in detail in the Gopala Tapani Upanishad).
But Baladeva has said that our Gaudiya Sampradaya is connected to that sampradaya, even though Mahaprabhu himself when visiting the Tattvavadis at Udupi made the point that he was not in their Sampradaya. Historically there was a link to Madva, but in a spiritual sense Mahapabhu was not following Madva he was following the new revelation that came through Madhavendra Puri.
In regard to Srila Bhaktivinode Thakur's parampara, my Guru Maharaj wrote:
sri-gauranumatam svarupa-viditam rupagrajenadrtam
rupadyaih parivesitam raghu-ganair asvaditam sevitam
jivadyair abhiraksitam suka-siva-brahmadi-sammanitam
sri-radha-pada-sevanamrtam aho tad datum iso bhavan
“What was sanctioned by Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu by His descent, was intimately known only to Sri Svarupa Damodara Gosvami. Sanatana Gosvami, the elder brother of Sri Rupa Gosvami, was attentive to that divine truth, and Rupa Gosvami himself served that very thing with his own hands to the devotees. Raghunatha Dasa Gosvami tasted its sweetness and also added something of his own to its flavor. (He was assisted in doing so by Raghunatha Bhatta Gosvami and Gopala Bhatta Gosvami.) That which was distributed and tasted by Raghunatha Dasa was protected by Sri Jiva Gosvami, who lent support to its divinity with scriptural evidence. The taste of that divine truth is aspired after by Sri Sukadeva Gosvami, Lord Siva, and Lord Brahma who regard it from a little distance with the highest respect. What is that inconceivable ambrosia? The sublime sweet nectar of mellows relished in the service of Srimati Radharani’s holy lotus feet. O Bhaktivinoda Thakura, within this world, you fully possess the ability to give us that extraordinary nectar.”
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Progress means elimination of lower things and acceptance of the higher truths
http://scsmath.com/memories/07a/070303_Srilekha_GPurnima/070303-SrilkehaArticle-GPurnima.htm
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What is the value of giving college degrees if people are learning wrong ideas.
The official Iskcon teachings about Jiva Tattva, Guru Tattva and Nama-Tattva are different from what the Predecessor Acharyyas taught.
Iskcon preachers tell people "you should desire to go back to Godhead". But the desire to attain the liberation of entering the abode of the Lord (salokya mukti) is a kind of anartha. Telling people to desire liberation is wrong. Iskcon says the desire for impersonal liberation is an anartha, but the Srimad Bhagavatam says that even the desire for salokya mukti is an anartha.
Real devotees do not desire to go "Back to Godhead". If Krishna brings someone to Goloka where they can practice uninterrupted service free from the disturbances of this Mayik world the devotee will usually accept that. But the real devotees do not desire liberation of any type (saloka, sarupya, sayujya, etc).
Bhaktivinode Thakura:
Manasa Deho Geha
(from Saranagati)
1 manasa, deho, geho, jo kichu mor
arpilu tuwa pade, nanda-kisor!
2 sampade vipade, jivane-marane
day mama gela, tuwa o-pada barane
3 marobirakhobi - jo iccha tohara
nitya-dasa prati tuwa adhikara
4 janmaobi moe iccha jadi tor
bhakta-grhe jani janma hau mor
5 kita-janma hau jatha tuwa das
bahir-mukha brahma-janme nahi as
6 bhukti-mukti-sprha vihina je bhakta
labhaite tako sanga anurakta
7 janaka, janani, dayita, tanay
prabhu, guru, pati–tuhu sarva-moy
8 bhakatvinoda kohe, suno kana!
radha-natha! tuhu hamara parana
1. Mind, body, and family, whatever may be mine, I have surrendered at Your lotus feet, O youthful son of Nanda!
2. In good fortune or in bad, in life or at death, all my difficulties have disappeared by choosing those feet of Yours as my only shelter.
3. Slay me or protect me as You wish, for You are the master of Your eternal servant.
4. If it is Your will that I be born again, then may it be in the home of Your devotee.
5. May I be born again even as a worm, so long as I may remain Your devotee. I have no desire to be born as a Brahma averse to You.
6. I yearn for the company of that devotee who is completely devoid of all desire for worldly enjoyment or liberation.
7. Father, mother, lover, son, Lord, preceptor, and husband; You are everything to me.
8. Thakura Bhaktivinoda says, “O Kana, please hear me! O Lord of Radha, You are my life and soul!”
Iskcon people think that if you chant sixteen rounds of Hare Krishna mantras every day you will go "back to godhead" when you die. I've heard the big swamis saying this. They say that if you chant japa by loudly repeating the name while marching up and down in the temple room, then by doing this you will be chanting purely and you will not be committing nama-aparadha.
They fail to realize that until your heart is cleansed of all anarthas you cannot chant the Name even once, even if you mutter the shadow of the mantra for hundreds of lifetimes.
Until you have a pure heart you cannot chant sixteen rounds. You cannot chant even one Nama.
CC Ādi 8.16: If one is infested with the ten offenses in the chanting of the Hare Kṛṣṇa mahā-mantra, despite his endeavor to chant the holy name for many births, he will not get the love of Godhead that is the ultimate goal of this chanting.
What happens when you chant the Nama one time with a pure heart?
When, oh when, will that day come when I shout "Ha Gauranga!" at this holy place Sri Visrama Sthala? I will roll upon the ground and cry in solitude. Overwhelmed with the emotions of ecstatic love, I will see beautiful Sri Gauranga-sundara drinking water from Sridhara's iron pot.
This is what Thakura Bhaktivinode taught. You need to be purified of all anarthas before you can enter the land of pure Bhakti.
bhukti mukti sprha yavat pisaci hrdi vartate
tavad bhakti sukhasyatra katham abhyudhayo bhavet
How can the happiness of bhakti arise in the heart when the witches of desire for enjoyment (bhukti) and liberation (mukti) remains there?
- Rupa Goswami, Bhaktirasamrtasindhu
If you have the witches of bhukti and mukti in your heart then Bhakti-Devi will not come and sit on the throne of your heart. That is what the Goswamis taught.
There are many other issues that come to my mind as well, but these will suffice.
What is the use of getting a Bhaktibaibhava degree from some institution that doesn't know what real Bhakti is?
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Actually, Muralidhar is accusing Srila Prabhupada of deceit because he doesn't include Vipina Bihari Goswami in the parampara of ISKCON.Bhaktivinode Thakur said Bipin Bihari Goswami was his Guru. That is the way things were. If you want to believe in something other than REALITY then you are deceiving yourself as well as the foolish people who cannot see that you are wrong.
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CC Adi 1 summary,
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In the Iskcon edition of CC I have it says
"The direct disciple of Srila Krsnadasa Kaviraja Gosvami was Srila Narottama dasa Thakura, who accepted Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti as his servitor. Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura accepted Srila Jagannatha dasa Babaji, who initiated Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura, who in turn initiated Srila Gaurakisora dasa Babaji, the spiritual master of Om Visnupada Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Gosvami Maharaja, the divine master of our humble self."
And there is also this thing in BTG, March 1960
Viswanath Chakrabarty accepted Jagannath Das Babajee from whom Srila Bhaktivinode Thakore was initiated and Srila Gour Kishore Das Babajee the spiritual master of Om Vishnupada Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Prabhupad-the Divine spiritual Master of our humble self.
However Bhaktivinode Thakur says:
Vipina-vihari hari tara shakti avatari Vipina-vihari prabhu-vara, sri-guru-gosvami-rupe dekhi more bhava-kupe uddharilo apana kinkara
"Vipina-vihari, my exalted Master is the manifestation of the potency of Hari, Who plays in Vraja's forests. Seeing me in the dark hole of mundane existence, he appeared in the form of a Guru Gosvami, to save this servant of his."
- Bhaktivinoda Thakur's: Amrta Pravahara Bhaysa (commentary on Chaitanya-caritamrita)
Note the words "sri-guru-goswami-rupe".
Guruvani is engaging in self-deceit and cheating-of-others when he continues asserting that Vipina-vihari was not the diksa guru of Bhaktivinode Thakur. <!-- BEGIN TEMPLATE: bbcode_quote -->
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Srila Govinda Maharaj said "If you are sincere you will not be cheated".
If you get cheated, look into youself to see why you made the choice to follow a false guru.
Is there a conflict between the interests [focus] of ISKCON & Srila Bhaktisiddhanta??
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You quote Narasingha Maharaja a bit, I've noticed.
Why don't you write to him and ask him if he approves of the abusive things you say about Srila Govinda Dev Goswami Maharaj.
I know what his answer will be. He is my personal friend.