muralidhar_das

from kipu'ka:

 

 

I went to temples for years, but only when I met surfer de4votees did I decide to commit. So I went to hawaii to see how the devotees were there. We had a shack on the north shore, next door to a guy named bruce, who owned the quonset hut on rocky point. I would trek to honolulu temple for sunday feasts and samkirtana with the nice devotees there under the guidance of goursundara and govinda dasi, but we would also have nightly kirtanas at rocky point. Goursundara wanted to facilitate our attempts, so one day, a knock on my door, and there was Siddhaswarupananda and the famous aussie surfer, ted spencer, and they wanted to borrow a pair of swimming trunks, and I ever so humbly complied. They went out and ripped some awesome waves, then we had a super kirtana at Bruce's (Siddhas brother) house, great class given by Srila Prabhupadas disciple, and that was that. A week later, I was in a small plane with sashi shekara das, goursundara, and tarun Kanti das flying, to kauai, to mo surf at anuhola (hole in the wall). Not to fention the festival of electric kirtana attended by about two hundred (mostly surfer babes).

 

Haribol, ys, mahaksadasa

 

Some fun, eh.

Yes this is how it was for me too, in those days.

Nice story also, about Martin. Really nice.

Prabhus, what is the role of competition in surfing?

 

Do you think that competition is healthy, or does it ruin the purity of the sport?

Surf culture always had an element of competitiveness about it, in the land that I grew up in. Competition for waves, and for babes.

This for me was the reason I gave up surf-association. Many ex-surfer devotees I know feel the same way.

The Duke started off Australian surfing when he came here with a Hawaiian board, in 1915.

He did a demonstration of surfing at Freshwater beach, which is the next beach north of Manly, in the "northern beaches" area of Sydney.

I was born in the hospital on the hill in the background

Manly beach

I surfed here at this beach all through my childhood

it was all so long ago... now I only bodysurf

Precisely

The materialists know how atoms work. They even know how to destroy atoms

Jaiva Dharma, Chapter 9

Nitya-Dharma, Material Science & Civilization

Advaita: What is purusa, and what is prakrti?

Digambara: Vaishnavas engage only in bhajana; they have no knowledge

of fundamental philosophical truths. Although purusa and

prakrti manifest as two phenomena, they are actually one, like the

two halves of a chick-pea. If you take the outer skin off the chickpea,

there are two halves; but if the outer skin remains, there is

one chick-pea. Purusa is conscious and prakrti is inert. When the

conscious and the inert merge into one undifferentiated substance,

it is known as brahma.

Advaita: Is your mother prakrti, female, or purusa, male?

Digambara: Sometimes she is female, and sometimes male.

Advaita: So, if purusa and prakrti are like the two halves of a chickpea

covered by a skin, which is the mother and which is the father?

 

Digambara: Are you making philosophical enquiries? Excellent!

We are well acquainted with the truth. The fact is that the mother

is prakrti, matter, and the father is chaitanya, consciousness.

Advaita: And who are you?

Digambara: Pasa-baddho bhavej jivah pasu-muktah sadasivah: "When

one is bound by the ropes of maya, one is a jiva; and when one is

released from those bonds, one is Lord Sadasiva."

Advaita: So are you spirit or matter?

Digambara: I am spirit, and Mother is matter. When I am bound,

she is Mother; when I become liberated, she will be my wife.

Advaita: Oh, splendid! Now the whole truth is exposed without

any doubt. The person who is your mother now will become your

wife later. Where did you get such a philosophy?

Digambara: Brother, I am not like you, simply wandering here and

there saying, "Vaishnava! Vaishnava!" I have acquired this knowledge

by associating with innumerable perfected and liberated sannyasis,

brahmacaris and tantrikas, and by studying the tantra-sastras day

and night. If you wish, I can also make you fit for understanding

this knowledge.

Advaita dasa thought to himself, "What a ghastly misfortune!"

 

Ha!

Thanks

Kshamabuddhi

Thanks for this.

I had the great fortune of spending a few months with Srila Guru Maharaja during the rainy season one year, when almost nobody else from the west was in Nabadwip. At that time, the season of Pujas came around. When it was Durga Puja, one day Guru Maharaj explained all about the Chhandi (Goddess) scriptures to me, spending about an hour and a half talking with just me and Haricharan (an elderly bengali brahmacari, who is my siska guru).

Guru Maharaj explained all about Siva and quoted this sloka "Pasa-baddho bhavej jivah pasa-muktah sadasivah"

On another day he talked all about Shiva tattva.

THere were so many things he talked about at that time.

I have never seen a published lecture by Guru Maharaj where he quotes this verse Pasa-baddho bhavej jivah pasa-muktah sadasivah but I myself have heard him say it many times.

Where did you get this quote?

 

Quote:

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Srila Guru Maharaj: Yes, he can be 'Siva,' when he is out of the clutches of Maya; and the Vaikuntha devotee is more than Siva. When a spiritual molecule is free from the clutches of the exploitation tendency, he is known as 'Siva.'

 

 

 

Pasa-baddho bhavej jivah pasa-muktah sadasivah:

 

 

 

When he is entangled, he is ‘jiva,’ and when he is free, he is 'Siva' (Sivo 'ham). But Krsna said, when giving His blessings to Uddhava (Bha: 11.14.15):

 

na tatha me priyatama atmayonir na sankarah

na ca sankarsano na srir naivatma ca yatha bhavan

"Neither Brahma nor Siva are as dear to Me as you; My elder brother Sankarsana is not as dear to Me as you, nor even Laksmi Devi. Even My own Self is not as dear to Me as you."

 

Such is the position of a devotee, a bhakta. He's above Brahma, he's above Siva, he's above Sankarsana, he's above Laksmi - he's above Krsna Himself, by the free, sweet will of Krsna. Aham bhakta-paradhinah. This is running in the current of love, not of justice: through affection.

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Did you catch this one Muralidhara?

 

See what Srila Guru Maharaja says about Siva..........

 

Is not Srila Gurudeva's Ashram in Soquel, at which he has performed his own sweet pastimes, having installed Their Lordships Sri Sri Guru-Gauranga Gandharvika Giridhari for us to worship as much Vrindavana (or Govardhana) as any other place on this earth--if only I have the eyes (medicated by sincerity) to see?

Gadadhara Pandita never went to earthly Vraja during the time he was here.

Who is Gadadhara?

What is Vraja?

Vrindaban is consciousness not matter.

The sectarians say Vaishnavas should not worship Shiva, but Krishna himself and Sri Rama have shown that Shiva is worshippable.

Srila Gurudev may know things magically if the Lord reveals things to him. As when Srila Narottama Mahasaya was informed in a dream that the Deities of Nabadwipchandra and His consort Vishnupriya Devi were hidden in a rice godown infested with snakes that nobody could approach without being attacked.

But then in another case we see that a Guru of the same advanced stage of devotion as Narottama, Sri Srinivasa Acharya, didn't know where the books stolen by king Birhambir were being kept - so how can it be said that this exalted Guru Sri Srinivasa Acharya is omniscient? Such statements are meaningless.

<center>Srimad Bhagavad Gita, Chapter 7.

Knowledge of the Absolute</center>

veda--know; aham--I; sama--equally; a titani--past; vartamanani--present; ca--and; arjuna--O Arjuna; bhavisyani--future; ca--also; bhutani--living entities; mam--Me; tu--but; veda--knows; na--not; kascana--anyone.

O Arjuna, as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, I know everything that has happened in the past, all that is happening in the present, and all things that are yet to come. I also know all living entities; but Me no one knows.

I agree

According to the most recent census data, 19% of Australians are atheists. If the different Christian denominations are treated separately, people of no religion now form the equal second largest group in terms of belief after Catholics (there are an equal number of atheists and Anglicans, the second largest denomination).

The fastest growing religion in Australia is Hinduism. The number of Hindus has doubled in the past ten years, and the number of Buddhists has almost doubled going from 1.1% to 2.2%.

Brahma deva is the adi Guru of the Madva-Gaudiya Sampradaya.

Brahma could not understand the full extent of Krishna's power.

When Brahma stole the cowherd boys and calves he was being inquisitive. He wanted to see what would happen. He didn't ALREADY KNOW what would happen. He was not situated in a state of omniscient knowledge.

Brahma is not omniscient. Never was. Never will be.

Gurudev is not omniscient. Never was. Never will be.

Quote:

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panchananam pasupatim varadam prasannam

gangadharam pranatapalakamasutosam

vande sadasiva-haripriya-chandramaulim

- Sanskrit verse by Srila Govinda Maharaj

http://scsmath.org/trove2/gkunda_ver...va_pranam.html

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Devotees of Sri Chaitanya are not all bad. Some "so-called" devotees are bad, it is true. Some abuse Lord Mahadeva. But my Guru who wrote this verse you see above is a devotee of Sri Chaitanya. He praises Bholenath - Devaadideva Maheshwara.

Yes

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mukhāni pañcopaniṣadas taveśa

yais triḿśad-aṣṭottara-mantra-vargaḥ

yat tac chivākhyaḿ paramātma-tattvaḿ

deva svayaḿ-jyotir avasthitis te

TRANSLATION

O lord, the five important Vedic mantras are represented by your five faces, from which the thirty-eight most celebrated Vedic mantras have been generated. Your Lordship, being celebrated as Lord Śiva, is self-illuminated. You are directly situated as the supreme truth, known as Paramātmā.

The Supersoul is called by many names, of which Maheśvara, Śiva and Acyuta are especially mentioned.

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Sree Advaita Acharya is both Vishnu and Shiva.

Har Har Mahadeva!

All glory Lord Mahadeva, who lives on the icy mountain of Kailasa,

south of Siberia where the modern day sages are living!

devadidevam-ahibhusanam-indukasam

panchananam pasupatim varadam prasannam

gangadharam pranatapalakamasutosam

vande sadasiva-haripriya-chandramaulim

 

- Sanskrit verse by the Guru of the brahmana pictured above

 

http://scsmath.org/trove2/gkunda_verses/gkunda_siva_pranam.html

 

My issue that I have with some people is that they would like to put the Bhagavatam in the science section in libraries, and I feel it should be in the humanities section.

Theist I'm sorry that I spoke while misunderstanding your point of view

I also, like you, feel we need to look for the essence of things when we read Bhagavatam

Who was that "demi-God" that she worshipped??

She worshiped Lord Shiva and Shiva is no "demi or semi God"!!

Get this once and for all!! And stop committing this offense of

name calling Lord Maheswara as a mere "DemiGod"!!

 

Hare Krsna

Yes I completely agree

Har har Mahadev!

Joy Sri Shiv Sambhu!

Theist my old friend, there is nothing "wrong" in the Bhagavatam, it is only our "readings" of it that are wrong.

Take a look at modern literary theory and you will see that the Bhagavatam can be seen as something wonderful - we just need to realize the beauty within it without being limited by "superstition" or "fundamentalists".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literary_theory

My wife teaches literary theory. I also taught it, several years ago. Texts such as the Bhagavatam are the great treasures of the past. If we look at a jewel and say "oh, with modern stone-cutting technology we could have cut the raw stone in a better way", then we are missing the beauty of the thing in front of us.

Be nice.

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This Pradyumna Swami has some strange ideas.

http://krishnas-zero-tolerence.spaces.live.com/Blog/cns!C86033D76508C5C9!127.entry

 

Many sentimentally believed all their kids born into ISKCON were born ‘karma free’. Such deluded sentimentalism and attachment to the ‘external biological appearance, garment or vessel’, thinking because this embodied jiva-soul is in the body of a child; they must be innocent and sinless. Such sentimental Christian dribble is ignorant of all the past lives and karma that had carved the embodied jiva-soul-consciousness to create such a body and its surrounding circumstances in its present birth. No one in the material world is innocent!! We have all had billions of lives!! The back ground of most of the fist generation of Krishna Kids were from hippies and the LSD generation – frankly, what else other that struggle can be expected from such a pioneering movement born out of the war in festered human rights abuses of the 20th Century!? And that is just the tip of the iceberg compared to the billions of lives we have all had.

Why do little children get killed in car accidents, bombings or die of cancer? It’s all Karma!! This point has to be emphasised due to the conviction many have that they are their biological garment (body).

We all meet up with those embodied jiva-souls we deserve and who deserve us, however, that does not mean the abusers and exploiters during the ISKCON pioneering years are not responsible, to the contrary, they have been born a time and circumstance according to their ‘desire and karma’ to exploit and abuse others whose karma it is to be exploited and abused. It is part of their journey of carving their way to hell!! Those who are ignorant to the laws of the universe cannot understand why ‘so called innocent children’ suffered. The answer is simple; they suffered because there was no genuine Krishna Consciousness with all involved.

All this can only be changed with genuine Krishna Consciousness without the external imitation that was predominant in the 1970s, 80s, 90s and even today.

 

So that is how it is, according to Pradyumna Swami (who is really Gaura Gopal dasa).

Children who were abused in Iskcon were not innocent. That was their fault.

Moderator, I hope you don't delete this post. You do it so often. Even when what I'm saying is right. Gaura Gopal and child abuse... there is more to this...

Srila Prabhupada – “So this dreaming condition (in the material creation or mahat-tattva) is called non-liberated life (inferior nitya-baddha bodiless conscious condition), and this is just like a dream. Although in this material calculation it is a long, long period, as soon as we come to Krishna consciousness (superior nitya-siddha-svarupa perpetual body) then this period is considered as a second".

Is this really you JD or someone else?

Send your last message off to Narasingha Maharaj and see what he says.

Go on.

I dare you.

Send it to Jayapataka Swami.

See what advice Jayapataka Swami has for you.