Devarsirat

Dear PrabhuThank you for note, my chanting sounds ok, one good change is that I chant now more carefully and pay more attention because this illness has really knocked me sideways and as you can imagine it has made me re evaluate especially my spiritual life. I feel very blessed to be able to chant and practice spiritual life once more, considering that so many of my godbrothers and sisters did not have this fortune and died from the disease. It makes me feel humble and eager to do more service reading and chanting.Sometimes we need to knocked arround a bit to be grounded again and appreciate Krishna Consciousness properly. So what looked very bad at the time turned out to be a blessing in disguise and I can see harmony in the chaos so to speak.Krishna is the chief of all chiefs and what He wants goes, of this there is no daubt, not a blade of grass moves without His permission and we have to be very careful about the things we say and do, not to attract bad reactions into our lifes.I am glad to be back yes, thank you, that was very kindAll glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga Radhe Radhe

Most likely a yogy who did not finished in his last life, his spiritual life was not destroyed like a cloud in the wind and so he got a new opportunity in this life.On the other hand why not the first time?

Why the hidden negativity about Narayana Maharaja? Its like subtely suggesting things, why? This is political and devotees should not engage in things like this, especially not when it comes to a personality which is regarded by many Prabhupada disciples as a pure devotee.When will people understand? Iskcon is not a society bound by artificial borders. Everyone who is a devotee serving Radha and Krishna with love and affection is a member of Iskcon no matter if they are from The Math or from another planet. Srila Prabhupada accepted Srila Narayana Maharaja fully, so who are we to put Him down?Half the people who talk about Narayana maharaja dont even know him have seen him or spoken with him nor heard his classes, yet they speak as if knowing something detrimental.So how come that no one can really explain what excactly it is that Narayana maharaja is supposedly doing wrong? Its just these subtle suggestions from the realm of bad politics from so called diplomatic people who drive the spear deeper at every opportunity, making it impossible to achieve the so much desired vaisnava union we need so much especially in the times we are living right now.I hate it when devotees demonise Narayana Maharaja have they not got something better to do, like developing love for Radha and Krishna? We will end up like so many religions in the past completely divided and fighting with just politics in place of real love for god and its already happening and everyone who adds to this is guilty of destroying vaisnava unity which would make us so powerful to preach the holy name.As it is, the constant politics against other vaisnavas even friends of Srila Prabhupada destroy everything they destroy friendships, trust,faith in god and so on and estabish fanatism which is absolutely awefull.So why take part in it? Ask yourself ..am I doing the right thing? or should i rather just chant do devotional service and try to love Krishna by accepting and loving all of his devotees? Remember Srila Prabhupadas Peace formular?

The reason I have not replied for such a long time is that I was diagnosed with troat cancer early after my last post and had to undergo treatment and to be truthful I forgot all about it. I got the all clear and by Srila Prabhupadas and Krishnas mercy I live to chant another day. So this is my last reply to "guest" in the matter. Reply....Yeah it sounds quiet funny i have to say, the fact is still that sex desire is the all destroying sinful enemy of this world and anything that can help a person to overcome this, is a good thing.You need to understand that sense control is something important for the devotees commitment to His spiritual master and that "hypnotised does not mean zombie or mindless or any of these negative descriptions u r putting on it. You are comparing hypnotherapy with stage hypnosis, which is just to make fun of people and has no therapeutical benefit. This is not what hypnotherapy means at all.It is a known fact that people learn best when the body and mind is completely relaxed, old negative thought patterns which stand in the way of making genuine progress can be changed into their positive opposites. The effect is that new positive behaviours emerge replacing old and negative ones.It is a fact that we have learned to respond in certain ways to different situations for example, but it has been a learned response either thought to us by our parents, other people or learnt by our own life experiences.As such we are already dealing with artificially learned responses in many ways, which we now see as facts, even so many of them are just opinions and actions implanted to us by others. Many of these “implants” have a negative effect on people, You are forgetting that we are not this body and not the mind, if the mind gives us problems then there is nothing wrong with re educating it so that the problems go away. If those problems have been an obstacle for devotional service and are gone then the devotee can use his newfound energies on those things, which are really important.Previously that person hypnotised himself to think ...i cant do this i cant do that and this is called "self imposed limitations" now he is de-hypnotised and his mind is clear. All I do is de-hypnotise people from being stuck in self-destructing mindsets to help them move on.For example I get lots of clients with terrible childhood traumas who are already go round like zombies so to speak and I help them to free themselves from it and it works. Sometimes you see there are many blockages in a person’s mind, which are so deeply rooted that they need releasing before the person can move on.Before "speaking out" against something as beneficial as hypnotherapy, consider and research its benefits. Relaxation Hypnotherapy Meditation have amazing benefits to the nervous system and health in general. For example it can help a person who has irritable bowel syndromes, or help a mother to give birth without anestatics, it can take your toothache away or help cancer patients to tolerate their pain. It can help a devotee to be calm and collected for public speaking and improve ones memory and more.What it cant do is make anyone act in normal life like a mindless zombie, controlled by the voice of a hypnotist who has power over him, this does not exist, except when a person who is under the control of drugs gets hypnotised, but only when he is already predisposed to being stupid otherwise no one can be hypnotised to do something against his will.In a nutshell hypnotherapy and nlp is nothing else then reframing a persons negative and destructive mindset into a positive one that will help him to achieve his goals. The sense of self cannot be changed, a person who is undergoing therapy stays exactly the same as before, except he will experience less problems in those areas, which gave him difficulties in the past.As such it’s a very good idea, but for a devotee another devotee should carry it out, or a devotee could learn self-hypnosis instead.That’s my final word on the matter to "Guest " After all I did not come here to argue but to help and this is only one persons opinion and opinions aren’t facts.Devarsirat das ACBSP 1976

Haribol and dandavads All glories to Sri Guru and gauranga. I am a practicing hypnotherapist with several years of experience helping devotees and others, overcoming their problems. I am offering to create personal hypnotherapy cds for individual devotees with powerful suggestions, using NLP based lenguage patterns. Hypnotherapy must not be confused with stage hypnosis which I do not practice. I dont believe Hypnosis should be used for entertainment All CDs are based on the information beeing supplied and completely tailored to each persons individual problems. The benefits are truthfully good and are completely beneficial for devotional service. Total confidence is absolutely guaranteed If you are interested, please write to me at info@grimsbyhypnosis.co.uk Haribol YHS Devarsirat das

Dear mxyzp... I am sorry to hear that your parents both have cancer, I was diagnosed with cancer of the throat last year. I have since then compiled a large file about complementary treatments and alternative treatments. A couple of months ago i got the all clear after extensive chemo therapy and radiology. During that time i used a lot of different supplements and therapies which helped a lot. The text is full of plain good advice and so on about what might help and is not something that tries to sell you something inside, I did it to inform others and it also might open the readers eyes about the parmaceutical industries which claim that apart from radiology, chemotherapy and surgery, nothing would help Its to much to post here, if u are interested send me your email to 321sleep@grimsbyhypnosis.co.uk and i send you the file for free. Haribol Ys Devarsirat das A

It certainly is one of the best books I have ever read. Especially the sloka we are discussing, its very much like a hammer on the head so to speak and literally pulles the carpet away under ones feet. Narayana Maharajas translation is as follows Sri Manah-Siksa Sloka six (In spite of having subdued the enemies of lust and anger, one may not have conquered the greatenemy of deceit. This verse instructs us how to gain victory over this powerful enemy.) O wickedmind! Although you adopt the path of sadhana, you imagine yourself purified by bathing in the trickling urine of the great donkey of full-blown deceit and hypocrisy. By doing so, you are simul-taneously burning yourself and scorching me, a tiny jiva. Stop this! Delight yourself and me by eternally bathing in the nectarine ocean of pure love for the lotus feet of Sri Radha Krishna Yugala. Commentary of Sri Srimad Bhaktivedanta Narayana Maharaja (1) Prodyat kapata-kutinati-bhara khara ksaran-mutre snatva: Bathing in the trickling urine of the great donkey of full-blown deceit and hypocrisy The overt deceit and hypocrisy which are present in a sadhaka even after adopting the path of sadhana are compared to the urine of a donkey. Considering oneself to be intently engaged in bhajana while remaining devious and hypocritical at heart is like considering oneself pure by bathing in the filthy, burning urine of a donkey. A sadhaka should carefully abandon this pitfall. There are three kinds of bhakti-sadhakas: (1) svanistha, (2) parinisthita, and (3) nirapeksa. The svanistha-sadhaka completely discards the rules and prohibitions prescribed within varnasrama and endeavors incessantly simply to please Bhagavan Sri Hari. The parinisthita-sadhaka performs all his activities in accordance with the rules and prohibitions laid down for the service and attendance of Bhagavan. Both these types of sadhakas are grhasthas. The nirapeksa-sadhaka is a renunciate. All three are benefited only when they become thoroughly honest. Otherwise, by resorting to deceitfulness, they are surely vanquished. The hypocrisy demonstrated by these three is described below. (1) Deceit of the svanistha-sadhaka--(a) indulging in sense-enjoyment on the pretext of sadhana- bhakti, (b) serving wealthy and influential materialists instead of unpretentious devotees, © accu- mulating wealth beyond one`s needs, (d) having great enthusiasm for futile, temporary enterprises, (e) indulging in illogical arguments on the pretext of cultivating knowledge, and (f) adopting the dress of a renunciate to get material prestige. (2) Deceit of the parinisthita-sadhaka---(a) making an external show of strict adherence to rules and regulations but remaining inwardly attached to material subjects, and (b) preferring the association of philanthropists, jnanis, yogis, and materialistic people to that of resolute, loving devotees. (3) Deceit of the nirapeksa-sadhaka--(a) to maintain pride by thinking oneself to be an elevated Vaisnava, (b) to adopt the dress of a renunciate and, due to false ego, regard other sadhakas as inferior, © to accumulate wealth and materials beyond the basic necessities of life, (d) to associate with women on the pretext of sadhana, (e) to keep close contact with materialistic people with the inten tion of collecting funds and donations instead of going to the temple, (f) to worry about collecting funds on the pretext of performing bhajana, (g) to enfeeble one`s attachment for Krishna by attributing importance and respect merely to the external dress and symbols of the renounced order and by being overly attached to the rules and regulations of renunciation. Therefore, the defects of mundane arguments ( kutarka), false philosophical conclusions ( kusid- dhanta), and anarthas, all arising from deceit in the domain of bhajana, have been compared to the urine of a donkey. Many sadhakas consider themselves purified by bathing in this unholy urine of the donkey of deceit, but in reality it only consumes their soul......

My purporse here is not to cheat devotees as you implied, it is excactly the opposite. In my 29 years as disciple of Srila Prabhupada, I have never cheated any devotee and always helped them where I could. No one has ever compared what I am doing with a modern day hellish hiranyakashipu / ravana system. I also never ones wrote that a hypnosis cd which re-enforces those values we hold dear and true in Krishna Consciousness is a replacement or alternative to chanting, reading or service. It does not matter to me what you think about this, I know my field well and know that nothing about it is artificial, no one will ever become a mechanical robot from it, or start chanting the holy name like a zomby. Sense control is not dependend on devotion at all, many karmis practice celibacy having no devotion at all, some of them are atheistic. In the fire of devotion of course "if you are that advanced?" we forget about our material desires and are overcome by real happiness, which is Krishna Consciousness. Dont think that getting married will sove any problems, it doesnt, for a few it does maybe, and they are the lucky ones for what I have seen and experienced in the movement, it can increase problems dramatically. Anyway I understand, that you have not much knowledge about hypnosis and its benefits, or how incredibly harmless a process it is. I dont hold it against you but I did not arrive here to be accused for something I am not. So in the future I let you be. Dont think "oh I have defeated him" this is not the case, I just simply dont have discussions with people who are set in their ways or fanatically have to prove their ideas, no matter what. Apart from this, those devotees who have ordered the CD obviously like the idea and dont think anything wrong about it.

The translation is definitely from the Sri Manah Siksa,upon looking at it again is seem to be his translation, when I have time I find out if it is for definite. A good verse in any case, it hits the nail straight on the head.

Dear guest, do your self a favour and try to understand, that the CD, does not hypnotises anyone, it just reinforces a persons already existing desire to be very strong in weak moments, thats all. Believe me there are many followers every day surrendering to their weakness not being able to chant themselfes out of it and many are suffering, because they have made a promise to their spiritual masters. Anyway I wellcome your points of view, it gives me an opportunity to explain more about hypnosis. Dervish posted a good sloka "from a translation of His Divine Grace Bhaktivedanta Narayana Maharaja" and made a good point. Celibacy in itself is not sufficient to be successful but successful celibacy with love for God as goal, works wonders. Why do devotees go to classes? To reinforce their commitments, to hear nectar,for association,to gain more knowledge, gain enthusiam and so on and what are they doing during that time? They are voluntarily open their subconscious minds to receive the message of the speaker and allow themselfes to be programmed for devotional service. When we are kids, we are told what we are, where we are, who we are,what we should think and so on, our minds are open, we do not know if all these things are true and still we accept, all those things are like hypnosis. Therefore hypnosis is just a name for a process which we subconsciously accept naturally every day. It is a fact, that the subconscious mind can not distinguish between fact and fiction, it can only act on the information given. Therefore much of what has trickled through into our subconscious minds over the years might be pure nonsense, but it is also a fact, that our emotions and feelings are based on of what is in our subconscious minds. Many devotees wonder, why after many years of chanting and seva they still have inner attitudes or tendencies which are unfavorable for devotional service and they seem to have great difficulties to give them up. These inner blockages prevent us from going on and making progress. Its no good to be heavy handed and smash somes ego and say "just chant you fool, everything is in Krishnas Name" You might be someone who has realised that everything is in Krishnas Name, which I daubt, but even if, you can not expect others to be like you and therefore dismiss any process which might help them in a big way towards their goals.

I do not disagree with you at all, but everything that is favorable for devotional service can be accepted and should not be rejected. To follow the regulative principles is very important for initiated devotees.Brahmacharis and sanjasis are not nessecarily free from sex attachment and many of them struggle maintaining their vows, unfortunately, as history shows even big sanjasis in the past, have fallen from their high positions due to sex attachment and left. The real spiritual master is free from sex attachment, his devotional service is completely pure and you can be certain that he is completely absorbt in meditating upon Sri Sri Radha Krishna, no need for any extra help in the form of hypnotism or anything else. But our history has proven beyond a shadow of a daubt, that sex attachment has always been one of the greatest stumbling block for devotees. Hypnosis is a perfectly acceptable and completely natural process, to help fixing our minds on chanting, controlling the senses and much more. Ones a hypnosis session is over, the suggestions given continue working inside the subconscious mind helping people to make the desired changes in their lifes. For excample a devotee who likes to make progress and get initiated, but who is still very attached to smoking tabacco, will find after having received hypnotherapy to stop smoking, that he is indeed able to do so. Devotees dont always like to take pain killers, hypnosis can help in many cases with pain relieve. Many devotees can be very tense or stressed out because they like to have control over their sexual urges, but frustrait themselves again and again. It is not that we can just chant and in the same time continue to be sinful, so yes, initiated devotees are interested in celibacy for Krishna if they are not, then that is wrong and they have not understood our philosophy. The CD is there to help, it is not that after listening the devotee is still hypnotised, in fact, during hypnotism a person can be wide awake, only the subconscious mind is open, allowing old negative and destructive mindsets to be replaced with positive ones. Afterwards positive beneficial changes are experienced which can be long lasting and most of the time they are. Find out more about Hypnosis here http://www.grimsbyhypnosis.co.uk/Hypnosis%20Facts.htm

Dear Prabhus I guess this is a spiritual subject, because the outcome is spiritual, even so the initial post seems to be material. This message is intended for those who like to go deeper into the practice of celibacy and be successful with it. I am a qualified Hypnotherapist and devotee first of all of course and have been associating with the devotees since 1974. I have also been initiated by Srila Prabhupada in 1976 During my time as devotee I have witnessed so many devotees including my self of course, struggling with the senses and more then often out of this struggle, many real life tragedies have developed because so many devotees could not cope, fell down badly, blooped, divorce,Gurus left and so on, we all know about it. Thinking about this, I decided to create a professional audio CD, based on the latest Insights and developments in the fields of Hypnosis and Neurolinguistic programming. The project took me a while and the result is a powerful 60 minute CD, divided into two 30 minutes studio recordings, one for mornings and the other for evenings. Please find out more at http://www.grimsbyhypnosis.co.uk/cd.html Yhs Devarsirat das ACBSP

Dear Prabhus. Please accept my humble obeisances. All Glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga. We have created a Krishna Consciouss CD, http://www.grimsbyhypnosis.co.uk/cd.html to reinforce devotees determination and resolve to stay celibate and to prevent "falldown". This is a professional CD, not made at home, but in a proper studio with Krishna Consciouss music playing in the background. The CD will be helpful for all vaisnavas, let them be brahmacharies, Brahmacharinies, householders and even sanjasis. To control the senses is not an easy task and to control the mind is as difficult as trying to catch the wind. Real mind and body control is automatic once we are 100% fixed and engaged 24/7 in loving devotional service to Their Lordships Sri Sri Radha and Krishna. Unfortunately until then, the struggle with our mind and senses is inevitable. The CD has been created to give devotees an additional weapon to fight the war we have declared against Maya. The CD is not limited to new or only male devotees; everyone, including some in the renounced order of life can benefit greatly from this amazing tool called hypnosis and achieve a higher standard of devotional service very quickly. Within a short time the nagging thoughts about sex and past memories associated with it will loose their appeal and become weaker. Sudden challenges will bounce off easily and the listener will learn to handle sexual feelings, rather then being handled by them. As a result, chanting and devotional service will improve greatly, faith will increase to deeper levels and the devotee will be happier and stronger. The thought of blooping a thing of the past. And the spiritual master? He will be much more pleased with His disciple! http://www.grimsbyhypnosis.co.uk/cd.html