sant

I understand that there can be difficult for some people when I say that plants have spirits, I think both plants and animals are more intelligent than humans give them credit for.

 

 

you mean plants are living beings i know that

norwayyou said your not from usa

ok i live in india

new delhi

please tell me more about medittation

Why not give me a chance to respond before claiming that I can't answer?

 

There are devotees who are willing to kill if their guru is offended.

 

Steve Bryant was killed by such devotees who felt their guru was offended.

Sulocana das was killed by such devotees who felt their guru was offended.

 

The gurus who were offended are considered less than Swami Prabhupada.

Therefore the murder victims were killed for "saying less" than if they had

spoken against Swami Prabhupada. Now will you concede this point?

im sorry smiley

you took quite some time but im shore you must have been finding the link

please forgive me

i m sorry again

but i see now youve already got the fonts

yes. Thank you, sant. I`m still trying to figure it out how to install these fonts

no do you have winzip theres a document that tells how to

ReadMeFirst.doc

Wrong answer. You are as usual ignorant about the difference between Shaivism and Advaita. The Lingayats believe Shiva is the Supreme God. So do most Shaivas in Tamilnadu and the rest of India.

sorry youre wrong on that one

Lingayats believe in a monotheistic world where Linga or Parashiva the supreme god and self are one and the same

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lingayatism

im sorry this is just difficult to digest

banana spirit.

please accept my apology

how about i ring you up and you talk to me

give me your number with isd code

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be clear or dont say

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bananas are fruits not the plant

they are dead

ive sentyou fonts did you install them

im sorry EDIT

the Salvia spirit start communicating through me.

 

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there the problem youre being posssessed

just like some poeple get possesed by ghosts and spirits and say mata aati hai

I use entheogens to glorify god, I think entheogens in itself is a glorification of god, they are miracle plants that show us a higher reality, and heightens the sensitivity to the spiritual part of this world too. Where would we be without the intelligence gained from certain plants, they were here before all the sacred texts and teachings. I think many spiritual teachings and sacred texts come from what is learned through plant use. In a place where there is no other source for spiritual knowledge, then plants is the way to go.

 

Of course the teachings always come from god, and when you have opened to the spiritual reality, then you no longer need the plants, you can learn directly from god. But when I see every spring that the holy Soma Phalaris plants comes directly up from the ground, I see it as a gift from god to humankind. Cows love to eat them too, what else do they do for fun other than eating plants like Phalaris grass and Magic mushrooms, communicating with god.

 

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point is that you can meditate using these plants

but the efffect is temporary

and bhakti is different

now where does it refer that soma or some hawain plant can create bhakti

no bhakti is not like this it is received with the grace of the lord

not by some intoxicant

you are different as you are having bhakti in the lord from earlier ad the plant you use just makes your mind feel a little loose and then you practice devotion

it is not that this plant has created bhakti

the only plant is tulsi which you keep and pray to in the house is claimed to increase bhakti cause that is dear to the lord

You are absolutely correct. Unfortunately people have been killed for saying less and so it is good that these truths can be communicated anonymously.

whos been killed for saying less

be clear or dont say

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srila prabhupada says that allah refers to the person holding the post of god

eg. allah mean president and not george bush

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Well he said that Sri Narayana is beyond ALL material Manifestation,Unborn,Eternal.

 

Now by Sriman Narayana,he meant the four handed divine form of,Names,abodes,Leelas of Sri Narayana.

 

How is this non-Vaishnava ??

 

He TAUGHT the geeta wrong.The reason behind this is explained in Padma Purana.

 

 

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then why are you against his disciples and his mayavada

he is a mayavad is nt that true

ksiram yatha dadhi vikara-visesa-yogat

sanjayate na hi tatah prthag asti hetoh

yah sambhutam api tatha samupaiti karyad

govindam adi-purusam tam aham bhajami

SYNONYMS

ksiram--milk; yatha--as; dadhi--yogurt; vikara-visesa--of a special transformation; yogat--by the application; sanjayate--is transformed into; na--not; hi--indeed; tatah--from the milk; prthak--separated; asti--is; hetoh--which is the cause; yah--who; sambhutam--the nature of Lord Siva; api--also; tatha--thus; samupaiti--accepts; karyat--for the matter of some particular business; govindam--Govinda; adi-purusam--the original person; tam--Him; aham--I; bhajami--worship.

TRANSLATION

Just as milk is transformed into curd by the action of acids, but yet the effect curd is neither same as, nor different from, its cause, viz., milk, so I adore the primeval Lord Govinda of whom the state of Sambhu is a transformation for the performance of the work of destruction.

PURPORT(The real nature of Sambhu, the presiding deity of Mahesa-dhama, is described.) Sambhu is not a second Godhead other than Krsna. Those, who entertain such discriminating sentiment, commit a great offense against the Supreme Lord. The supremacy of Sambhu is subservient to that of Govinda; hence they are not really different from each other. The nondistinction is established by the fact that just as milk treated with acid turns into curd so Godhead becomes a subservient when He Himself attains a distinct personality by the addition of a particular element of adulteration. This personality has no independent initiative. The said adulterating principle is constituted of a combination of the stupefying quality of the deluding energy, the quality of nonplenitude of the marginal potency and a slight degree of the ecstatic-cum-cognitive principle of the plenary spiritual potency. This specifically adulterated reflection of the principle of the subjective portion of the Divinity is Sadasiva, in the form of the effulgent masculine-symbol-god Sambhu from whom Rudradeva is manifested. In the work of mundane creation as the material cause, in the work of preservation by the destruction of sundry asuras and in the work of destruction to conduct the whole operation, Govinda manifests Himself as guna-avatara in the form of Sambhu who is the separated portion of Govinda imbued with the principle of His subjective plenary portion. The personality of the destructive principle in the form of time has been identified with that of Sambhu by scriptural evidences that have been adduced in the commentary. The purport of the Bhagavata slokas, viz., vaisnavanam yatha sambhuh, etc., is that Sambhu, in pursuance of the will of Govinda, works in union with his consort Durgadevi by his own time energy. He teaches pious duties (dharma) as stepping-stones to the attainment of spiritual service in the various tantra-sastras, etc., suitable for jivas in different grades of the conditional existence. In obedience to the will of Govinda, Sambhu maintains and fosters the religion of pure devotion by preaching the cult of illusionism (Mayavada) and the speculative agama-sastras. The fifty attributes of individual souls are manifest in a far vaster measure in Sambhu and five additional attributes not attainable by jivas are also partly found in him. So Sambhu cannot be called a jiva. He is the lord of jiva but yet partakes of the nature of a separated portion of Govinda.

Oh ya sory

Youre coming in 2010 but

JHey sambya modern vaisnavs dont depreciate or try to show other deities smaler but shaiv and shakt do that most of the time. Infact just look at the tamasic puranaa they do that. seee my post of ling purana as an example.in fact shiv purana starts of wit visnu fighting with brahma. It is not shaiv fault either. it is mentioned in the text. Dont talk abou hare krisna movement it is based on mahaprabhus teaching.

Pure love and bhakti for krisna is for the rarest

Thank you

Srila Prabhupada: If drugs could help God realization, then drugs would be more powerful than God. How can we accept that? Drugs are chemical substances, which are material. How can something material help one realize God, who is all-spiritual? It is impossible. What one experiences from taking drugs is simply a kind of intoxication or hallucination; it is not God realization.

Srila Prabhupada: Tobacco is also an intoxicant. We are already intoxicated by being in the bodily conception of life, and if we increase the intoxication, then we are lost.

Bill Faill: You mean things like meat, alcohol, and tobacco just reinforce bodily consciousness?

Srila Prabhupada: Yes. Suppose you have a disease and you want to be cured. You have to follow the instructions of a physician. If he says, “Don’t eat this; eat only this,” you have to follow his prescription. Similarly, we also have a prescription for being cured of the bodily conception of life: chanting Hare Krsna, hearing about Krsna’s activities, and eating krsna-prasada. This treatment is the process of Krsna consciousness.

http://krishna.org/meditation-and-the-self-within/