dasanudas

Originally posted by talasiga:

You cannot own It

Only belong to It

 

 

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Touche!

That's ozzie -french accent

 

Originally posted by talasiga:

You said it

I didn't

 

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How do you like my graceful plumage?

Asked the crow

of the peacock.

 

 

It's quite natural to share ones understanding of siddhanta. In the vaisnava sanga it is called Hari katha. The Lord loves it, devotees love it, and it should make the environment a better, happier place to live. But I understand how Prabhupad protected his disciples in the same manner.

Of course I come from a guru who taught the revolutionary concept of 'The land of Gurus.'

All are my guardians.What a wonderful place to live. When will that Life be mine?

 

 

Force out of ones body at the hands of another jiva is terrifieing. In Gods loving embrace that's another matter.

Whatever happen to good ole fashioned natural departure.

Tickets please, tickets!

Grapejuice is great, keeps energy up, but if your bod is getting on don't O D on 'em, they are radical. Not too sweet and not too sour, watered to your hearts tolerance If you feel heartache add more water too much sugar can really spin the older bodies and for sure watch the chemicals on them or you may do more damage then good.

Was'nt it Lord Brahma who said

"You can't live with them

And you can't live without them."

Surely it could'nt have been Srimate Saraswati Devi that he was referring to at least half a' the statement.

 

[This message has been edited by dasanudas (edited 09-20-2001).]

Originally posted by Gauracandra:

I was reading an article on a Christian site about fasting and prayer. I don't think many Christians observe fasts (none that I've known do it on any regular basis) but this denomination does.

 

Anyways the writer made an interesting point that fasting and prayer go hand and hand. If all you do is fast, then you only go hungry. The fasting helps to lessen the hold on the material body. But lessening the hold on matter doesn't mean we strengthen our hold on spirit.

 

So in this person's view fasting is only beneficial if it is accompanied by prayer or a focus on spiritual matters. Personally I have always found that I get the best results from chanting during those times I fast.

 

Personalities like Jesus for instance fasted for 40 days with prayer. Afterwards he was tempted by the devil. But even though physically weakened, the fasting and prayer strengthened his spirit and he was able to turn away from all the riches of the world offered.

 

I'd be curious about any thoughts regarding fasting and prayer.

 

Gauracandra

Another very relevant thread here Prabhu,

It's true fasting for spiritual sacrifice and purification can be very beneficial.

And it states somewhere in the Bible I think, that the only way to atone for sin is thru these two activities. Unfortunately many use fasting merely for material gain, the extreme of this we find in Hiranya kasipu or was it the other one. Anyway obviously we find both Jesus and Buddha must have used it for the right end as their teachings have ended up influencing a vast percentage of the world population.

I too like JRdd got inspired by the essene Gospel of Peace and did many regular cleansing fasts and eliminated some rather abominable stow-aways in this 'bag a' pus' to coin Maitreyas apt description of the body. Eliminating some truly horrid parasites including tape worms etc.which most people are host to. The Gospel of Peace claims Jesus used this process to heal people who have extremely misused their bodies. I can see this is possible and many years back I have helped many turn their health around, guiding them thru supervised fasting, enemas, American Indian sweat lodges, meditation and chanting in a wholistic approach to healing.

I always aimed at longer fasts, but my will usually caved in around 10 to 14 days. But about 7 days will see some positive results if exercised correctly. But actually a healthy well balanced body need only take a vacation from the incessant digestive labor periodically, say every 6 months.

A natural setting is more conducive to fasting but not essential.

I had a friend, arather extreme personality whofasted for 40 days once, and I admit that this made him even more extreme, And coincidentally as JRdd mentioned, this person also looked like the image of Jesus as we know it (always wondered how the artists knew what he looked like)unfortunately he went so far out no one could understand him anymore, he had many visions, spoke in tongues and haiku like parables not unlike Jesus non-stop,It became a fine line between spiritual madness and mental insanity. As I understand it, this can be very dangerous. I lost interest in him when he took his best friends wife and became obsessed with sex, from one extreme to the other. But he left a very deep impression on me for years.

I just recently saw a show on protesters in Turkey doing prolonged fasting to death, at a certain point after 7 weeks they start losing it up top, some sooner than others. Then the body starts eating itself. This may well be why only ekadasi fasting is recomended in our line, which is about all I can handle these days anyway.

Have to admit at first when I heard Srila Prabhupad state you can chant, dance and feast your way back to God I was a little sceptical, but over the last 30 years I'm learning to see the wisdom of his advice, even tho I may be a slow starter.

While we're around the subject I think Siddhaswarupananda Prabhu in his earlier Yoga days, before he came to KC, did a very prolonged fast, I heard over forty days but I'm not sure, maybe someone close to him can elaborate. Enough of this fasting talk, time to honor prasad.

 

You may find his Email with an article on 'Publishing' on Vina.

Dandavats prabhu,

I agree very much with Vidagda Madhava on this issue. But it means some sacrifice. If devotees were to enter other forums, chats and news sights they will have to tolerate a lot of ignorance to get their views accepted. If their fixed and entrenched conceptions are to be enlightened it will certainly take the patience of Job and the tolerance of Hari das Thakur. But I've been feeling the nessecity of this for some time. Experiencing the confusion of these exchanges it is quite frustrating as no one recognizes authority, as most see it as just another opinion these days no more or less than their own, where everyones view is valid, but when you present absolute knowledge they take it with the same measure as all the other contributers. I've tried giving our acharyas perspectives and they end up discecting them like lawers. But still I agree we should try, if anyone find a receptive ear let us hear about it.

What I'm really trying to say is

Whatever you think it's

more than that.

 

Originally posted by talasiga:

Probably.

Only an Ozzie

or a Kiwi would write

like this.....

 

 

In the pursuit of excellence

I received a BA in

Illiteracy

 

 

 

No one is alone. The Lords all seeing eye is always with us. I did'nt mean those names I suggested Prabhu, These are trying times for everyone, please accept my apologies.

 

 

"We are all tested to see if we may graduate"

Srila Bhakti Raksak Sridhara Maharaj

Originally posted by JRdd:

At Radhastami and other recent celebrations at the temple, there were devotees visiting from outlying areas, and from just about every "camp". I didn't really think about that until this conversation came up, that is how nice that temple is, and the kirtans really are ectatic. Had a physically hard time keeping up with it all. No one seems so bothered about factions, at least that was my impression but I don't live there all the time.

 

JR

Actually we shared Radhastami in an intimate little sanga with some Prabhupad- Gaur Govinda Maharaj- Narayan Maharaj- Srila Sridhara Maharaj- Govinda Maharaj disciples and everything went along quite happily come to think of it.

 

I think I mighta shared this once before but here we go again

Earth water fire an' air

Met together in the garden fair

Put in a basket wrapped in skin

If you answer this riddle

You'll never begin

Well i got the hot air

Jayaradhe provides the earth

Valaya fires us up

now all we needs a waterboy

to make the crazy mix

It's way past all your bedtimes. Say y prayers.

Gotta get up an fight world war 3 again tomorrow. Everyday's a plus at this stage of life, God help us- to be continued.

I think you were somewhere around 40 or was that me?

Id say I lost m'coy somewhere.If i ever had any, maybe I need help finding it again.

 

 

What's really funny is listening to all you young singles.

Mercy like death comes in many forms!

Sometimes it's even more of a curse to live.

I like many perspectives, the Lords ways are unfathomable!

Originally posted by BDas:

Dear Das and all,

 

 

They should consider SM words on this issue:

 

"In KC if you give position or recognise the position of others you will gain position.

 

On the other hand if you try to hold on to your position by denying the position of others than you will lose your position."

 

Hare Krishna, Brahma

Hmmm sounds like Guru Maharaj is on trial in the GBC's Supreme court. It's always been a case of cutting off the very head that can direct the body, but without strong and honorable leadership how will the body know what to do?

It all still continues to function, but not so much progress. Do any of those outside even wish to be reinstated. It seems most have established their seperate identities on their own strength. Still, just to have a co-operative framework in the Vaisnava community would be progressive, a good start.

 

 

Stoney: I hear ya, prabhu. I've heard that when devotees come to their programs, the newer followers are warned away. And while many of the devotees on this island get together for kirtan, katha, and prasad, Siddha's folks remain aloof, preferring their own programs and company. When I went last week, I was treated well, perhaps largely because the leading devotees are old friends and see me as a non-threat. At least so far.

 

And I certainly understand the difficulty you experience in company that doesn't respect Srila Sridhar Maharaj. I'm quite happy, so far, to be living here where I don't have to deal with that sort of exclusive mentality.

 

 

Das:In Mahaprabhus Maha sankirtan at Ratha Yatra Hundreds of thousands sing an dance together simultaneously glorifying in one voice and many different tunes. I love the infinite variety but if it keeps me from the rest of my family tree, what am I doing it for to start my own garden that doesn't recognize any other garden in the nieghbourhood. Whenever I used to stay with Srila Guru Maharaj I saw so many godbrothers, relatives nephews and neices all come and happily listen and chant together, he likewise used to visit his Godbrethren untill his body became too old to travel distance.

If that's the way they wish to go, so be it, it's all too mysterious for my simple soul.

My nature is to see open hearted affectionate dealings all round. Giving Honor

will join us together dishonor will tear us apart.

 

Stone: I sure can't speak for everyone, but I do remeber Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati's admonition that only the kirtan that includes all can really be called sankirtan. I would like a world in which devotees can serve according to their understanding and capacity and come together on certain occasions for big kirtans and sharing the infinite variety of ways to serve Krishna.

 

Ditto on that prabhu

 

And I have stories . . .

 

Das:I'm sure you do, as do we all, feel free to unfold your heart accordingly, as the occasion presents itself.

 

Congratulations on 30 years of wedded bliss You must have a Rosehearted partner, my dandavats to you both,

 

Kindly convey my regards to V.M.Prabhu.

 

Would he recognize you as dasanudas? I just saw him last night. BTW, he and some of the Golden Volcano devotees also attend the Sunday programs Siddha's devotees have. VM had great respect and affection for Tusta Krishna.

Originally posted by talasiga:

These cannot be counted,

strung up together or

put in one's pocket

 

 

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Prospecting for

Paramahamsas

Pearls from

Prem Serova

 

Real Renunciate

 

Right Reverent

 

Ray Revelation

 

Reckless Recluse

Originally posted by valaya:

1) Wouldn't want to blow up Maitreya, I'm sure he's gotten `bombed` enough times all by himself! Besides, I'm hoping he'll lug back gallons of Radha-kund water for us all. I've still got enough for a few years, but if we lose access to the Holy Places...

 

2) Can't help wondering how many would go on a pilgrimage that meant certain death! Might be one way to avoid those awful crowds... Also, would they be entitled to all those virgins on arrival in `heaven`, like the suicide bombers? Maybe there's a formula like, say, 20 instead of 50. I mean really, prabhus, half-a-dozen would be more than enough pour moi! RR

Keep your eye on the ball Valaya, Too much time meditating on those virgins in heaven

and you may become one of 'em. Virgin that is.

I'se thinkin' a person who has given up sex for 20 years could be considered more of a virgin than a 15 year old. It's all relevant. Just thoughts floating bye.

Gaura hari, Gaura hari!

 

Funny thing about a 'little dream' everyone in the whole world can fit into it.

What must Maha Visnus dreams be like?

 

Valaya Prabhu,

The concern is that that is exactly what they are doing too. Psyching themselves for the ultimate showdown they are also petrified that America will nuke them so they are prepared to give up their lives. and it seems for a lot of them they have nothing to lose, materially speaking, unlike the western world.

My first view of the news this morning wasn't exactly uplifting. Millions of Indonesian extremist muslems vow to destroy all American embasies if America tries to attack Afghanistan, no doubt it's the luny brigade again but this fervour is drawing more and more sympathizers in to their vortex.

I also read that Carlos the Jackal is rubbing his hands with glee at the news from his prison cell in France. It is a little unnerving to think how many of these loopies are out there. They seem to burn off each others hatred, the great dilemna is that they will probably never come into contact with the Vaisnava conception for them to even consider another point of view.

 

Dear Jayaradhe Prabhu,

Prabhupad and Guru Maharaj are like Radha And Krsna I could'nt see one without the other. It is always heartening to hear devotees discover the treasure house that is Srila Gurudev. Better late than never, because a very holy arrangement will happen by the grace of Guru and Gauranga to all those who appreciate the united glory of these two mahatmas. May you not only have sweet realities of them in your sleep, but may their presence blaze in your heart in your every waking moment.

Jaya Guru deva

Jaya Prabhupada

Jaya Guru Deva

Jaya Prabhupada

Whatever you conceive as possible IS!

Our reality is in our consciouness.