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    again in the Devi Bhagavat we find:

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    5-9. Sûta said :-- O Munis! Hear all attentively the glorious deeds of the supremely energetic Visnu, the Deva of the Devas. Once on a time the eternal Deva Janârdana became tired after the terrible continuous battle for ten thousand years. After this the Lord Nârâyana seated Himself on Padmâsan (a kind of posture) in some lovely place on a level plot of ground and placing his head on the front of his bow with the bow strung and placed erect on the ground fell fast asleep. Visnu, the Lord of Ramâ, was exceedingly tired and thus he fell soon into deep sleep. At this time Indra and the other Devas, with Brahmâ and Mahesâ began a sacrifice.

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    Here is an interesting verse from the Devi Bhagavat that supports that Vishnu is Supreme.

     

     

     

    Chapter V

     

     

     

    On the narrative of Hayagrîva

     

    1-4. The Risis said :-- “O Sûta! Our minds are merged in the sea of doubt, hearing your this most wonderful saying, surprising to the whole world. The head of Janârdan Mâdhava, the Lord of all, was severed out of His body! And He was afterwards known as Hayagrîva, the horse-faced! Oh! what more wonder can there be than this? Whom the Vedas even praise, all the Devas rest on Whom, Who is the Cause of all causes,

     

     

    This Janardan Madhava spoken of here is a name of Lord Vishnu.

    It says here clearly in the Devi Bhagavat that Lord Vishnu is supreme and the cause of all causes whom the Devas rest on.

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    “The splendor of the sun, which dissipates the darkness of the whole world, comes from me. And the splendor of the moon and the splendor of fire are also from me” (Lord Krishna, Bhagavad-Gita 15.12)

     

    “I enter into each planet, and by energy they stay in orbit” (Lord Krishna, Bhagavad-Gita 15.13)

     

    “This material nature, which is one of my energies is working under my direction”(Lord Krishna, Bhagavad-Gita 9.10)

     

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    “The whole cosmic order is under me. By my will it is manifested again and again, and by my will it is annihilated at the end” (Lord Krishna, Bhagavad-Gita 9.8)

     

    “Furthermore, O Arjuna, I am the generating seed of all existences. There is no being, moving or unmoving, that can exist without me” (Lord Krishna, Bhagavad-Gita 10.39)

     

    "I am the source of all spiritual and material worlds. Everything emanates from Me. The wise who perfectly know this engage in My devotional service and worship Me with all their hearts"(Lord Krishna, Bhagavad-Gita 10.8)

     

    "Of all that is material and all that is spiritual in this world, know for certain that I am both the origin and the dissolution" (Lord Krishna, Bhagavad-Gita 7.6)

     

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    Krsna says:

     

     

    Bhagavad-gītā As It Is 9.17

     

    pitāham asya jagato

     

    mātā dhātā pitāmahaḥ

     

    vedyaḿ pavitram oḿkāra

     

    ṛk sāma yajur eva ca

     

    SYNONYMS

     

    pitā — father; aham — I; asya — of this; jagataḥ — universe; mātā — mother; dhātā — supporter; pitāmahaḥ — grandfather; vedyam — what is to be known; pavitram — that which purifies; oḿ-kāra — the syllable oḿ; ṛk — the Ṛg Veda; sāma — the Sāma Veda; yajuḥ — the Yajur Veda; eva — certainly; ca — and.

     

    TRANSLATION

     

    I am the father of this universe, the mother, the support and the grandsire. I am the object of knowledge, the purifier and the syllable oḿ. I am also the Ṛg, the Sāma and the Yajur Vedas.

     

    PURPORT

     

    The entire cosmic manifestations, moving and nonmoving, are manifested by different activities of Kṛṣṇa's energy. In the material existence we create different relationships with different living entities who are nothing but Kṛṣṇa's marginal energy; under the creation of prakṛti some of them appear as our father, mother, grandfather, creator, etc., but actually they are parts and parcels of Kṛṣṇa. As such, these living entities who appear to be our father, mother, etc., are nothing but Kṛṣṇa. In this verse the word dhātā means "creator." Not only are our father and mother parts and parcels of Kṛṣṇa, but the creator, grandmother and grandfather, etc., are also Kṛṣṇa. Actually any living entity, being part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa, is Kṛṣṇa. All the Vedas, therefore, aim only toward Kṛṣṇa. Whatever we want to know through the Vedas is but a progressive step toward understanding Kṛṣṇa. That subject matter which helps us purify our constitutional position is especially Kṛṣṇa. Similarly, the living entity who is inquisitive to understand all Vedic principles is also part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa and as such is also Kṛṣṇa. In all the Vedic mantras the word oḿ, called praṇava, is a transcendental sound vibration and is also Kṛṣṇa. And because in all the hymns of the four Vedas — Sāma, Yajur, Ṛg and Atharva — the praṇava, or oḿkāra, is very prominent, it is understood to be Kṛṣṇa.

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    dear bhaktjan is there anything wrong in worshipping the brahman if brahman is god>

     

    please talk clearly on causeless mercy

    why are you entering the ekadashi story here

    ekadashi devi is not the only devi

     

    Nothing wrong with it if you are happy to dissolve your individual existence and enter into a oneness of undifferentiated light.

     

    But, eternal life with eternal forms, eternal senses and eternal pleasures is more appealing to someone with a mind that has some thinking capacity.

     

    No, you can't become God.

    In the attempt to become God you simple becoming NOTHING.

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    Applying the same logic,

     

    Allah is the Supreme; No vision can grasp him...Quran 6:103

     

    So, this mean that Allah, not Krishna is God.

     

    The Gita has no value to the the Kali worshipper. He has his own sources. It is a display of stark ignorance to imagine my scriptures apply to the entire world.

     

    Cheers

     

    No material vision can grasp Allah.

    Because Allah is transcendental to material vision.

    It takes spiritual vision to see Allah, with the eyes of love.

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    Lord Krishna says:

     

     

    Bhagavad-gītā As It Is 7.6

     

    etad-yonīni bhūtāni

     

    sarvāṇīty upadhāraya

     

    ahaḿ kṛtsnasya jagataḥ

     

    prabhavaḥ pralayas tathā

     

    SYNONYMS

     

    etat — these two natures; yonīni — whose source of birth; bhūtāni — everything created; sarvāṇi — all; iti — thus; upadhāraya — know; aham — I; kṛtsnasya — all-inclusive; jagataḥ — of the world; prabhavaḥ — the source of manifestation; pralayaḥ — annihilation; tathā — as well as.

     

    TRANSLATION

     

    All created beings have their source in these two natures. Of all that is material and all that is spiritual in this world, know for certain that I am both the origin and the dissolution.

     

    PURPORT

     

    Everything that exists is a product of matter and spirit. Spirit is the basic field of creation, and matter is created by spirit. Spirit is not created at a certain stage of material development. Rather, this material world is manifested only on the basis of spiritual energy. This material body is developed because spirit is present within matter; a child grows gradually to boyhood and then to manhood because that superior energy, spirit soul, is present. Similarly, the entire cosmic manifestation of the gigantic universe is developed because of the presence of the Supersoul, Viṣṇu. Therefore spirit and matter, which combine to manifest this gigantic universal form, are originally two energies of the Lord, and consequently the Lord is the original cause of everything. A fragmental part and parcel of the Lord, namely the living entity, may be the cause of a big skyscraper, a big factory, or even a big city, but he cannot be the cause of a big universe. The cause of the big universe is the big soul, or the Supersoul. And Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme, is the cause of both the big and small souls. Therefore He is the original cause of all causes. This is confirmed in the Kaṭha Upaniṣad (2.2.13). Nityo nityānāḿ cetanaś cetanānām.

     

    So, this means that Krishna, not Kali is God.

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    Bhagavad-gītā As It Is 7.7

     

    mattaḥ parataraḿ nānyat

     

    kiñcid asti dhanañjaya

     

    mayi sarvam idaḿ protaḿ

     

    sūtre maṇi-gaṇā iva

     

    SYNONYMS

     

    mattaḥ — beyond Me; para-taram — superior; na — not; anyat kiñcit — anything else; asti — there is; dhanañjaya — O conqueror of wealth; mayi — in Me; sarvam — all that be; idam — which we see; protam — is strung; sūtre — on a thread; maṇi-gaṇāḥ — pearls; iva — like.

     

    TRANSLATION

     

    O conqueror of wealth, there is no truth superior to Me. Everything rests upon Me, as pearls are strung on a thread.

     

    PURPORT

     

    There is a common controversy over whether the Supreme Absolute Truth is personal or impersonal. As far as Bhagavad-gītā is concerned, the Absolute Truth is the Personality of Godhead, Śrī Kṛṣṇa, and this is confirmed in every step. In this verse, in particular, it is stressed that the Absolute Truth is a person. That the Personality of Godhead is the Supreme Absolute Truth is also the affirmation of the Brahma-saḿhitā: īśvaraḥ paramaḥ kṛṣṇaḥ sac-cid-ānanda-vigrahaḥ; that is, the Supreme Absolute Truth Personality of Godhead is Lord Kṛṣṇa, who is the primeval Lord, the reservoir of all pleasure, Govinda, and the eternal form of complete bliss and knowledge. These authorities leave no doubt that the Absolute Truth is the Supreme Person, the cause of all causes. The impersonalist, however, argues on the strength of the Vedic version given in the Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad (3.10): tato yad uttarataraḿ tad arūpam anāmayam/ ya etad vidur amṛtās te bhavanti athetare duḥkham evāpiyanti. "In the material world Brahmā, the primeval living entity within the universe, is understood to be the supreme amongst the demigods, human beings and lower animals. But beyond Brahmā there is the Transcendence, who has no material form and is free from all material contaminations. Anyone who can know Him also becomes transcendental, but those who do not know Him suffer the miseries of the material world."

     

    The impersonalist puts more stress on the word arūpam. But this arūpam is not impersonal. It indicates the transcendental form of eternity, bliss and knowledge as described in the Brahma-saḿhitā quoted above. Other verses in the Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad (3.8-9) substantiate this as follows:

     

    vedāham etaḿ puruṣaḿ mahāntam

     

    āditya-varṇaḿ tamasaḥ parastāt

     

    tam eva viditvāti mṛtyum eti

     

    nānyaḥ panthā vidyate 'yanāya

     

    yasmāt paraḿ nāparam asti kiñcid

     

    yasmān nāṇīyo no jyāyo 'sti kiñcit

     

    vṛkṣa iva stabdho divi tiṣṭhaty ekas

     

    tenedaḿ pūrṇaḿ puruṣeṇa sarvam

     

    "I know that Supreme Personality of Godhead who is transcendental to all material conceptions of darkness. Only he who knows Him can transcend the bonds of birth and death. There is no way for liberation other than this knowledge of that Supreme Person.

     

    "There is no truth superior to that Supreme Person, because He is the supermost. He is smaller than the smallest, and He is greater than the greatest. He is situated as a silent tree, and He illumines the transcendental sky, and as a tree spreads its roots, He spreads His extensive energies."

     

    From these verses one concludes that the Supreme Absolute Truth is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is all-pervading by His multi-energies, both material and spiritual.

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    You mean like the Chaitanya Upanishad, the Navadwipa Dham Mahatmya and the Bhavishya Purana?

     

    I totally agree.

     

    Never mind the fact that there are countless devout Devi worshippers in India. Their beliefs collide with mine, so per the "holier than thou" principle, they must obviously be clueless, low class and bogus.

     

    Very simple, really.

     

    Cheers

    Please describe what eternal life in the transcendental Devi-dhama is like?

    OH?

    Guess what?

    there is no such thing.

     

     

    Outside of some bogus text called "Devi Bhagavatam" that has nothing but some clueless fools trying to abuse it for their monetary gain, none of the great guru or acharyas of India support this ignorant claim that the Devi is with no husband or master.

     

    Devi is the shakti of Shambhu.

     

     

    She has a master above her.

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    Krishna is God.

    If you don't believe me, then just ask me and I will tell you again.

     

    God means "Supreme Being" who is the Supreme Controller and origin of all creations.

     

    That would be Krishna.

    But, he has his little helpers like Brahma, Siva and Yamaraja.

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    So what's new?

     

    That is an age old tactic of separating the founder from everything around him, with the objective of criticism.

     

    The Buddha was a super-duper guy, but Buddhism is false.

    Shankara was an avatar, but his religion is false. People who folllow his teachings are evil.

    Jesus was a pure Vaishnava, but his followers are hell bound..

    Prabhupada was a wonder, but his organization is corrupt...

     

    In my opinion, this separation is rooted in cowardice (aka fear of Aparadha). Lacking guts to criticize the founder for he has attained celebrity status, this separation is a little cunning trick. But it doesn't fool anyone. Criticizing Christians is no different from criticizing Jesus and criticizing the evil Mayavadins is the same as criticizing Shankara.

     

    If anyone was fooled by this trick, he should take go take an IQ test and enroll in special ed.

     

    And finally, how is this thread any different from the countless "holier than thou" threads started on this forum by fanatic Hare Krishnas in the past? Theist used to lead this pack, but as he has disappeared for sometime now, others are taking his place.

     

    Cheers

     

    Theist never lead any pack.

    His is a relative unknown who never really committed to ISKCON or got initiated.

    I gave 8 years of my life to the mission of Krishna consciousness missionary work.

     

    What is your background?

    What have you done in your life in the cause of spiritual culture, or are you just some big mouth armchair philosopher who never did anything except casually intrude into spiritual matters that are way over your pointed head?

     

    What is your favorite beer?

    Cheers................

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    silly topic, so far. But the title got me, so here goes. The eskimo religion is just as valid as even those who profess hare krsna-ism. Both are suggested to give up all varieties of such religions and surrender to god. So we may even have one having a useless religion (hare krsna) who cannot give up religiosity even though his main shastra tells him to do so, and a blubber eating devotee eskimo who has given up his religion in favor of surrendering to the supreme lord.

     

    There is no limit to kali's influence on religion in this age. The gold standard is well described in the chapter where King Pariksit faces off with the personality of kali yuga. Religions are largely based on the gold standard, thus useless. My experiances with hare krsna directly was fully involved with gold, and we see how that pollution led to the other horrors that are associated with it, the drugs, the sexual deviancy, the dishonesty associated with gambling, and the eating of karma laced food (not whale blubber, which is eaten to sustain life, rather, the gobs of so-called prasadam which turned many a sanyassi into blobs of blubber themselves. Eating to live is basically karma free, because we are provided with what we need. If one lives on ice year around, why should I get on a fanatic binge and call him hell bound because he doesnt eat sweet rice and gulabjamins? But many a so-called devotee lives to eat, his whole life is based on how he satisfies the tongue, and no amount of criticizing others will remove the stain of hypocricy from his heart. Makes me think even more of how Lord jesus admonished his disciples' food fanaticism, saying "It is not what goes into the mouth that defiles the man, it is what comes out of the mouth."

     

    Srila Prabhupada required many things from his disciples, which also included avoiding certain types of food not fit for offering to Krsna. Goats, blubber, cows, bloodmeal, not good for his disciples, not because of karma associated with procuring such food, rather it does not meet the standard as to what is accepted by Krsna. Besides, freedom from karma is not what the movement is about anyway, because if one says the name of Krsna just once, without offense, all karma is gone anyway.

     

    Religion is for rascals, and hare krsna religionists are no different than Islamic jihadists, right wing anti-christians, chosen people zionists, and hindus who think the whole world is going to animal life because they refuse to follow them. Religion means a demand to follow human beings, thus God tells Arjuna to abandon such MANipulation and simply surrender to Him. Tell ya honestly, the highest devotees Ive met are abos (indigenous peoples from all cultures), and Im apalled at the slamming they take from so-called vaisnavas who have no mercy, no compassion, just exclusive religiosity.

     

    hare krsna, better to eat blubber than to become blubber. mahak

    Sounds like a lot of speculation with no shastric basis.

    I guess some people think that guru, sadhu and shastra are irrelevant and whatever our mind spits out is the reality of the day.

     

    I started the topic with quotes from Srila Prabhupada an acharya of the Gaudiya sampradaya.

    You call it silly and go on a mental rant with all sorts of speculation.

     

    Sorry, but I still consider guru, sadhu and shastra superior to mental speculation and frivolous thought.

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    You are swallowing and killing countless bacteris with every breath you take. By your logic, you should be born as bacteria for your next million lives.

     

     

     

    Where did he say that?

     

     

     

    There are Vaishnava cultures which do not accept beets as valid food. Onion, garlic, etc., etc.,...the list of unacceptable foods is long.

     

    Now show me where Krishna said he does not accept eggs, beets, onions, etc. There is a world of difference between "Krishna said so" and "some Guru in my line said so".

     

    Cheers

     

    If I supplied all good answers to your questions you still would not accept it, so I am not going to bother.

    You aren't looking for answers, you are looking for argument.

     

    I see no reason to try and supply you with good answers.

    It would be a futile waste of my time.

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