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Hey, something I agree with you on! It would probably be more correct to say that one who inquisitive is potentially a brahmana, but like you said, you have to follow the rules of varna and ashrama. I only made those statements because just as AncientMariner said, I too saw it from a book that was written by one of the previous acaryas, and I remember it said that a person who was attracted to Krsna Consciousness through curiousity is (potentially) a kshatriya.

A brahmana is inquisitive. If you were curious as to what was going on (in the Krsna conscious movement) you are a kshatriya. I don't remember who said it though, but definetly not Prabhupada.

Kuli-Yuga happens because people deserve to be born in this time period due to their karma.

The only asuras that were able to "rule" heaven were those blessed Lord Brahma and/or Lord Shiva. Brhaspati rishi, while competent, isn't powerful enough to stand against demons blessed by Lord Brahma or Lord Shiva. Especially Lord Shiva. As far as I know, the Brits and Muslims weren't blessed by any demigod, for obvious reasons, yet they were still able to take over India. I'll leave it at that... I'm assuming you want to put the blame on Srila Prabhupada, right? Sorry, but that belongs to the GBC, which were incomplete in their training. The very next thing Prabhupada was going to teach was varnashrama, but he passed away before he could do anything with that. The vedic scriptures are littered with wars when the brahamanas at the head of society, but that's not my point. I'm talking about the ridiculously easy takeover by foreigners. Hence why I said "fake" brahmanas. It is clearly stated in what you quoted that they could not have conquered us unless they broke our very own culture, and how else to do this than to manipulate incompetent (fake) brahmanas? They used our own culture against us. This is what happens with the caste by birth concept.

spokensanskrit.de gives these definitions of the word "nakSatra" 1. constellation of stars 2. stars 3. asterism 4. constellation There is also a word called "nakSatramaalaa" which means star group. Spoken Sanskrit

Your ashrama isn't static; it's dynamic. Visvamitra had qualities of a kshatriya and raised as a kshatriya, but in due time he became a brahmana without having to go through rebirth.

Not at all, the rest of the world didn't have brahmana's. Use some common sense when reading my posts, as well as other people's posts. It would answer a lot of your questions. I was giving an example of what a real brahamana could do. I thought that was obvious, sorry for giving you too much credit. More evidence that caste by birth people are incompetent. 1. Real brahamana's wouldn't have allowed Muslim kings to sit on the throne, but they did. 2. Real kshatriya's (leaders), who were trained by brahamana's, wouldn't have allowed foreignors to take over. 3. Those countless Indian wars happened because fake brahamanas were the head of society, and if the head of society is weak so is the rest of the civilization. "Cheers"

The takeover itself is evidence. Chanakya Pandit, a real brahmana (head), single handedly guided Chandragupta (arms) to unify India 2300 years ago. That's what a real brahmana could do; and get this, Chandragupta himself was the son of a dasi. Just look how easily the British took over India. The brahmanas didn't know how to lead or even care about teaching society.

http://news.iskcon.com/node/1650 They don't seem to have a problem with it. Why does everybody else? Why should anyone else?

It's better than the caste by birth concept which put India in such a pathetic state that allowed it to be taken over by the British and other foreignors.

It doesn't help when your opinions are either deleted by mods, reported as a bad post by envious users, or just simply disappears into dark abyss of the Internet like one of my latest posts.

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It's not just the Tachycardia, it's his other journals as well. Satsvarupa das needs to renounce his gosvami status, and tell his disciples to find another siksa guru. Then what he needs to do is just spend the rest of his life chanting Hare Krsna and bhajans. It's the only way for him to get out of his infamy.

Prabhupada wasn't trying to be smarter than Krishna, he was doing exactly what Krishna wanted him to do. Before you open your mouth and speak on topics you obviously have no deep knowledge of, why don't you look for yourself on the history of the Gaudiya Sampradaya and all the deviations and upasampradaya crap it's had to deal with. What happened to ISKCON is nothing new. Some people don't know how to follow simple rules or they want to interpret things in their own ways instead of taking things in face value. Despite all the deviations and oppositions, the Gaudiya Sampradaya is growing and growing, and as predicted, it'll flood the entire world. "Not a single blade of grass can move without the will of the Lord."

Shukla Yajur Veda, Madhyandina-sruti, Brhad-aranyaka Upanisad 2.4.10 asya mahato bhutasya nihsvasitam etad yad rg-vedo yajur-vedah sama vedo’tharvangirasa itihasah puranam ityadina "O Maitreya, the Rg, Yajur, Sama and Atharva Vedas as well as the Itihasas and the Puranas all manifest from the breathing of the Lord." Also, Mahabharata (Adi Parva 1.267) itihasa puranabhyam vedam samupabrmhayet " One must complement one’s study of the Vedas with the Itihasas and the Puranas." (All the scriptures come from the Supreme Lord, and it is stated above that the study of the Vedas must be complimented with the Itihasas and Puranas. Regardless of what you want to believe. The Puranas are just as good as "Tier 1" scriptures.) How could you miss the word "quality" in the sentences. I also included the sanskrit verses. Guna means quality. If Lord Krishna meant that it was based on birth, He would've used the word janma."

Bhagavad Gita 3.5 na hi kaścit kṣaṇam api jātu tiṣṭhaty akarma-kṛt kāryate hy avaśaḥ karma sarvaḥ prakṛti-jair guṇaiḥ Everyone is forced to act helplessly according to the qualities he has acquired from the modes of material nature; therefore no one can refrain from doing something, not even for a moment. Bhagavad Gita 18.41 brāhmaṇa-kṣatriya-viśāḿ śūdrāṇāḿ ca parantapa karmāṇi pravibhaktāni svabhāva-prabhavair guṇaiḥ Brāhmaṇas, kṣatriyas, vaiśyas and śūdras are distinguished by the qualities born of their own natures in accordance with the material modes, O chastiser of the enemy. Also, where does it say that the "3" Vedas are Tier 1? The Supreme Lord himself is stating that a brahmana is based on qualities, not birth.

Also, it questions me. Srila Madvha is said to use verses from the Puranas. Why can he do it, but we can't?

From your previous post it almost sounded like you knew what you were talking about. Sorry to disappoint. Sama Veda 7.1.2 "O venerable Sir, I studied the Rg, Yajur, Säma, and Atharva Veda as well as the Itihäsas and Puranas, which are the fifth Veda." Sama Veda Kauthumiya Chandogya Upanisad 7.1.4 nama va rg-vedo yajur-vedah sama-veda atharvanas caturtha itihasa-puranah pancamo vedanam vedah "Indeed, Rg, Yajur, Sama and Atharva are the names of the four Vedas. The Itihasas and Puranas are the fifth Veda." (As stated by the above verses in the Sama Veda. The Puranas and epics are considered the Fifth Vedas). Atharva Veda 11.7.24 rcah samani chandamsi puranam yajusa saha ucchistaj-jajnire sarve divi deva divi-sritah "The Rg, Säma, Yajur, and Atharvaveda, along with the Puranas, and all the demigods residing in the heavenly planets appeared from the Supreme Lord." Atharva 15.6.10 and 15.6.12 sa brhatim disam anu vyacalat tam itihasas ca puranam ca gathas ca itihasasya ca sa vai puranasya ca gathanam ca narasamsinam ca priyam dhama bhavati ya evam veda "He moved favorably towards Brhati and thus the Itihäsas, Puranas, Gäthäs, and Näräçaàsé became favorable to him. One who knows this verily becomes the dear abode of the Itihäsas and Puranas, Gäthas and Näräsaàsé." Atharva Veda Gopatha Brahmana, purva 2.10 evam ime sarva veda nirmitah sa-kalpah sa-rahasyah sa-brahmanah sopanisatkah setihasah sanvakhyatah sa-puranan "In this way, all the Vedas were manifested along with the Kalpas, Rahasyas, Brahmanas, Upanisads, Itihasas, Anvakhyatas and the Puranas." Madhyandina-sruti, Brhad-aranyaka Upanisad 2.4.10 asya mahato bhutasya nihsvasitam etad yad rg-vedo yajur-vedah sama vedo’tharvangirasa itihasah puranam ityadina "O Maitreya, the Rg, Yajur, Sama and Atharva Vedas as well as the Itihasas and the Puranas all manifest from the breathing of the Lord." (As you can see from the above posts, the Puranas are important enough to be mentioned in the original Vedas).

Not really, instead of spending time studying, just chant the Hare Krsna Mahamantra.

I'm reading the Bhagavad Gita, Bhagavada Purana, and Garga Samhita.

So raghu, kaiserone, why don't you follow Baladeva prabhu's advice and not study the vedas? And you, Sonic Yogi, you can't even get passed the "contradictions" despite after 34 years of reading the books.

Science of Self-Realization: Choosing a Spiritual Master--What Is a Guru? “The genuine guru has only one opinion, and that is the opinion expressed by Krishna, Vyasadeva, Narada, Arjuna, Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, and the Gosvamis.” Lecture: What is a Guru? London, August 22, 1973 “Real guru will not talk differently. Some guru says that, "In my opinion, you should like this." And some guru will say, "In my opinion, you'll do this." They are not guru; they are all rascals. Guru has no "own" opinion. Guru has got only one opinion, the same opinion which was expressed by Krishna, Vyasadeva, or Narada, or Arjuna, or Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, or the Gosvamis. You'll find the same thing.” Cc. Adi, 12.8 verse; 12.9 purport “But later they followed two different opinions, as ordained by Providence. . . . Any opinion different from the opinion of the spiritual master is useless. One cannot infiltrate materially concocted ideas into spiritual advancement. That is deviation.” (As you can see by the above statements, spiritual masters only have one opinion. Having two opinions on the same subject means one is right, and the other is wrong. Right and wrong is a contradiction.) The keyword there is mundane mind. We are suppose to see through the eyes of the scriptures. Prabhupada said that too.

Prabhu, what I said was exactly what Prabhupada wrote in one of his books. I'm sorry but not everybody needs to spend decades to understand the books. Not everybody is like you. Some people are taking up Krishna consciousness for the first time in millions of lifetimes; some are halfway through the process; and some are nearing the end. I'm nowhere near the end, but I'm nowhere near the beginning. Truth can have no contradictions. 1 + 1 = 2 is truth, but so is 1 + 1 = 1. Contradictory, but add some more information, and it goes away. Say you have a drop of water, that is one, and add another drop of water, it is now two, but it still is one. Hence, 1 + 1 = 1 is also true.

I was a follower of Sri Vaishnavism until I read Prabhupada's books. Now I'm a follower of Gaudiya Vaishnava. Why? Because Krishna has blessed them to spread their influence far and wide, and the Maha-Mantra works! Hare Krsna Hare Krsna Krsna Krsna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare Unfortunately you have to be aparadha free to taste the nectar. Haribol

People see contradictions because they have poor fund of knowledge. Say for instance someone said that shooting a gun is good, and then later on the same person said shooting a gun is bad. Both are apparent contradictions, but in order to explain them you need to add more detail. Shooting a gun to save your life is good, but shooting a gun to unnecessarily kill someone is bad. There are no contradictions in Prabhupada's books. It's also hard to take someone serious when they use childish labels like "dreamervadi" and "fallvadi."