My Sweet Guru’s unsaid message, please listen!
Saibaba never asked anyone to worship him although he always scolded those who came to him after leaving their guru. He always said I am the slave of my devotee.
I am not posting this for debate and starting this article by paying due respect to all gurus and saints on this earth. First let’s answer who is a guru. Guru is the one who take care of you, teach you, guide you and protect you from worldly false desires.
If we look at our ancient gurus Dattatreya ji said he has 24 gurus, how!!! Even the animals and birds were included in his list.
Here we all need to look at broad spectrum.
When lord Rama has come on earth no one has accepted him as lord even Goddess Lakshmi took birth as Mother Sita and still she was being questioned by a washer man.
When Yudhisthira came to know Krishna is the incarnation of lord Vishnu, he was surprised. This is the beauty of supreme power. They came and live life like normal people and set an example in front of us how we should live in this dimension i.e. earth.
Our purans are full of examples of meat eaters. I can give examples there are so many but why! We all know. I have seen so many posts where people claimed Kaba has Shiva linga in closed chamber. So that means somewhere we all are originated from one tatva i.e. Shiva and we all will end and merge in him only. But it’s our guru who shows us the path to meet lord.
I am not here to invite more arguments but just an initiative to tell everyone why and how guru parampara came in the picture. Rama and Krishna and even Goddess Parvati took education from gurus. It was always been there look at our purans its full of more than thousand stories. Are they all fiction?
Saibaba ate non veg, yes, but his Samadhi and spiritual practices were never disturbed even he use to eat anything by collecting bhiksha from 4-5 houses. He never demanded any food whatever was given he ate it with love. His tongue was not having any taste (reference Sai Sat charitra).
Saibaba never said he is god but he always maintained I am the slave of my devotee. Why temples have Saibaba idol? Saibaba left this earthly body in 1920 and everyone please look at the dates of idols establishment!!
Now when Saibaba explained brahm gyan (Reference Sai Satcharitra) he clearly said that start with idol worshipping than go to nirakar bhakti. It is easy for Human to concentrate on human form that’s why idol worshipping is being done. Basic starting of spiritual journey.
We all are living in an era where people question even to their parents, they hardly adore them or pay regard to them, parents are the first teacher then guru comes. Saibaba never accumulated wealth and not asked anyone to worship him. He always wore a white choga and head cloth (kafni) that’s it. Devotees used to give costly gift to baba but baba always got angry when he looks at costly items.
In his last days he said now I am wearing old and tatter cloths and I am happy, in coming time when my devotees will offer me silken and costly clothes I will wear them happily as well. This is the beauty of Saints. They love people for no reason. His life is full of so many incidents where he did lot of activities which are impossible for a normal human, am I saying he is God, no what I am saying is we all are born with some capabilities some special power, gradually we all forget and after some time God took human form and again explained this to us. We all have Shiva tatva in us; only thing is required just to recognise it. All dharmas are one we all are one. The main problem is duality, when we start thinking we are different from God, this leads to the path of ignorance. The crux of purans and Sai Satcharitra. Sai never supported any fast or any particular worshipping. It is always been a devotee who did mangal snan, aarti and other activities. Baba never demanded anyone. Even he never said any unpleasant word to those who opposed him. Even he always said never abuse or criticise anyone so being his devotee I am just trying to give some insight about Sai and his teachings in brief.
guru gobind dou khade,
kaake lagoon paay
balihari guru aapne
gobind diyo batay
No one can take place of guru probably that’s why his idols are taking place in every temple to convey this message “Importance of Guru”.
If my posting has hurt anyone’s religion belief I apologize for the same.
shri satchitanand sadguru sainath maharaj ki jai
Dear Friend
As for your assertion that setting a temple dedicated to Sai Baba is akin to Temples dedicated to Sri Rama,Sri Krishna I must correct you here,that is they are not ordinary humans but Avatars. So comparing Sai Baba with them is surely out of ignorance.Sri Rama and Sri Krishna showed the way to find the divine within by going through process of respect to their parents,elders and submitting to Guru Kulam adherences learning the finer points in life from the Guruji to be a fitting Human being.Actually they need not go through that process but they did just to show how to be simple and set the procedure.They came to teach being avatars but still lived a life that demonstrated all the divine qualities one should have.
First and foremost they showed how to find the divine within, that is through meditation to go with in and find that much talked of Sat Chit Anantham..Finding it you will be freed from ignorance of who you are and your relationship with the Divine.Believe me what you will find within is a state of bliss steeped with pure divine love and joy you never knew.That is the state of what we were once but have lost in the mundane world which we are trying to find in everything around us but to no avail “The missing link”. Surely after coming in contact with the divine state within, you are a different person altogether.The love that emanates from within is so pure devoid of discrimination you will appreciate everything and anything around you with so much love and gratitude.
In the process of diving within you will be for the first time experience contentment.That which is a new birth, a new being you see the world from a different perspective and your words will be so confusing to others that they will call you either a mad fellow or brainless fellow this is so because they are unable to relate with your views.They can not see what you see.It is like some who has not tasted honey can not appreciate it by hearing the mere description of it but taste it themselves akin to that one should be guided to achieve this experience and whoever is able to do that for his follower is actually the true Guru”Sat Guru”
In that state one lives only in the now and not in the passed or the future.Dear friend believe me if you achieved this state of being you will be living in GOD the all pervading Brahman.What else do you need other than immersed in the ever existing blissful peace,joy and pure love the qualities of the divine.
You need no symbol from there on because you will see the Divine in anything and everything.
Guru means one who brings you out of ignorance to enlightenment.(from darkness to light) I mean like one groping in the darkness to light where one can see things clearly.
Besides that there is a divine music going on with in,who is playing the music but the ever existing Nada brahmam,You can hear flute,sitar,veena,drum beats sounds of the bell and many more including all the sounds of birds,crickets etc.All these is possible only when you revert within concentrating on the OM sound in your breath. Surrender to the lord with in that is your true home, your kingdom.
Sir please bear with me if I have gone overboard here trying to point it out.
So I concur with Shankaracharya Sir
The controversy seems to be unwanted in a way.It is likely to divide the Hindu community. That said I also feel that while one can accept Sai Baba, or Sathya Sai, or Ramana Maharishi as Gurus, it is not correct to elevate them to the level of Avtars.There are so many people who had led people in the path of dharma. All can not be elevated as God. Poojya Sankaracharya’s stand is that only. His objection to the pictures or statues of those whom Hindus worship as God being placed at the feet of Sai Baba is sacrilegious is also a view which I support.
Our very honorable Shankaracharya, who is objejcting to Sai Baba is presenting a false analogy, thus his argument is facetious. Sri Shankaracharya presents seemingly simple idea, that Jiva atma or Anu atma is not worshiped in Vedas, whereas Paramatma such as Vishnu, Shiva, and Shakti, they are different class, and worthy to be worshiped. This is a foundation which he is basing argument on, however, it is not supported. Presumption is implied by Sri Shankaracharya that Sai Baba is Jiva atma, or Anu atma. He has no such proof, only Vishnu can judge such things, as who is Sai Baba. Bhagavad Gita states that Krishna is unknown, but on the contrary, Krishna knows everyone, both Shankaracharya, and also Sai Baba. ” Bhagavad Gita: 7.3
manushyanam sahasreshu
kascid yatati siddhaye
yatatam api siddhanam
kascin mam vetti tattvatah
SYNONYMS
manushyanam — of men; sahasreshu — out of many thousands; kascit — someone; yatati — endeavors; siddhaye — for perfection; yatatam — of those so endeavoring; api — indeed; siddhanam — of those who have achieved perfection; kascit — someone; mam — Me; vetti — does know; tattvatah — in fact.
TRANSLATION
Out of many thousands among men, one may endeavor for perfection, and of those who have achieved perfection, hardly one knows Me in truth.”
Therefore Sri Shankaracharya is arrogating to himself rights which are inapplicable to the Jiva atma, that is, rights to judge Sai Baba, as to his tattva. That judgment is under the jurisdiction of Bhagavan Sri Krishna. Were Sri Shankaracharya to do that judgment, he presents himself, as per above Bhagavad Gita verse, as “mam vetti tattvatah”. where “mam” indicates Bhagavan,
Are we to understand that Sri Shankarachaya Ji is svaya, bhagavan? If so, we request evidence of his elevation to Bhagavan. Lacking this, Sri Shankarachya must recuse himself, as lacking jurisdiction.
The grades of Avatara may not be available in the sampradaya of Sri Shankaracharya, but they certainly are instructed in the Madhva Sampradaya, and in its branch, Gaudiya Sampradaya. Surely Sri Shankaracharya can find a teacher in Madhva Sampradaya, who can teach him the grades of Avatara. We welcome any questions Sri Shankaracharya has on the grades of Avatara,
Dear all,
If the Lord himself saying that ‘I am Ominipresent’ why you people quarreling? Anybody can worship anything according to his will as he has seen the God there.
Lord has no barriers, no form and he is Exceptional to all the human qualities. After all we are the smallest spices in God’s perspective.
I would sincerely request you all to put a full stop here and try to realize the God’s presence by singing his names and fame.
You are all know that he has ‘thousands’ (here thousand means countless) more names and incarnations!!
Please leave this here….
My pranamams to you all
Regards
Surya
If Sai Baba was a muslim and he was against the Hindu culture and Puja, No one should be allowed to make Mandir for Sai Baba. The preiest of Sai Baba should not be dressed with Hindu Bhagwa Vastram to fool and confused the hindus. We have observed the aggression of the follower of Sai Baba, who have burnt the effigy of Shankaracharya ji. Even the Islamic rulers and followers have not done this at their time. We have seen the results of Puja of Jisus as per Hindu culture for conversion to Christians. We can not stop the followers of Sai Baba for their faith in Sai Baba, but followg points should be strictly followed:
1. Every Pooja sthal of Saij Baba should be called as Masjid instead of Tample,
2. The Pooja rituals should not be made like Sanatan practice.
3. Priest of Sai Baba should not wear Bhagwa Vastram.
4. Statues of Sai Baba should immediately removed from all the Temples.
Thousands of Hindu Temples were destroyed and worst – Converted / Modified with New Stories to erase every bit of memory & glory within us… like Taj Mahal. People following western culture introduced to India just few hundred years back, love to live in lies. Our brothers who know deep within that they were ones hindus and their ancestors converted must yearn to uncover full truth of their family and our land. They cannot tolerate truth because they were trained with lies since childhood to destroy and hurt the culture of other Hindus and convert whatever are remaining.. just like their own shameless ancestors had converted. These religions are doing nothing but making the path to self-realization and United India – more and more difficult. Unless Hindu’s take their religion seriously – We are doomed. Thanks to Shankaracharya for protecting our faith for us and our children. Thanks to Shankaracharya, We can enjoy Hinduism without Corruption.
Let there be a million more temples of Sai Baba – India is famous for its production of Enlightened souls, Hindus are tolerant with everything, But lets not change our Vedic Tradition – When it has rules for diety worship, it should be just followed. When in Vedas it is said – do not change and doubt what is said… Lets just go with it.
Lets not confuse Hindu Vedanta with Indian Constitution which you can change with your own Kali Yug’s Logic.
To all SAI bhakts…..
You continue worshipping Sai baba and continue accepting your Guru.
But for God’s sake, do not show off Sai baba as equal to Bhagwan Avatar’s )Ram, Krishna) and do not place Sai baba idol in the temples. Make you own temples and worshipp him.
It is like…you worship your father as God, your Guru as God, but your father is not my father and your Guru is not my Guru. So do not place your father’s idol in my God’s temple…….rather worship in your own house or temple
If you say Sai baba is your Guru…then Guru is not God, so do not place Guru equal to God
Om namah Shivay. Hare Rama hare Krishna, Jai mata di, Hari Om
What Shankaracharya said is correct. As per our custom, Panchayatana puja only prescirbed by Adi Shankara(Aditya-Sun, Ambika-Goddess, Vishnu, Umapathi-Shiva, Ganapathi,) in addition there is one more under Shanmatastapana – worshiping Subrahmanya in addition to above 5 Gods. Other than this no temple worship is prescribed. The duty of 4 Peetas established by Adi Shankara on 4 directikons(East, West,North, South) is to protect Dharma when it gets deviated. The Sai Puja grown to such level, all the above Gods are put to small size near his feet and Sai with big idol. The progeny in future may think that God means only Sai and not all these samll idols placed near his feet. Which gives wrong notion to coming generations. Particularly when the old temples of above said Gods are not being taken care of or protected.
Further it is astonishing that the Sai Baba’s pujas are performed in Shirdi where there is Mosque underneath. Normally, in Hindu religion, where there is a dead body, such worshipping is forbidden and such place is unholy. But for Muslims such mosque frequenting with their way of paying respect is different. These both cultures cannot be mixed and confused in the minds of coming generations.
One more peculiar thing observed on TVs is who are professing Sai cult, are wearing Saffron dress like our Hindu Sanyasis with Dandam, Rdraksha Malas etc. where this madness is leading, is nothing but mockery and blow to our Hindu Sanatana Dharma. Hence, Shankaracharya Ji’s call to Nation is correct to protect our Dharma and our ancient traditions and dharma, rituals.
Let everyone worship and do things they like. They will reap what they sow…………………………..
JSK!
WHO IS SAI BABA. HE IS A GURU TO SOME OF YOU OUT THER BUT DON’T CONFUSE YOUR SELF THAT HE IS GOD.
SRI KRISHNA SAY ONE WHO TAKE BITH IS SURE TO DIE.
DID SRI RAMA DIED?
DID SRI KRISHNA DIED?
NO!
THEN SAI BABA DIED MAKING HIM ONLY HUMAN AND NOT GOD.
I LOVE AND WORSHIP MY GURUS BUT I DONT PLACE THEM ABOVE GOD.
EVERYONE THAT PLACES SAI BABA ABOUVE GOD OR CALL HIM GOD ONLY SIN YOUR SOUL.
BG. CH9 VS23
THOSE WHO ARE DEVOTEES OF OTHER GODS AND WHO WORSHIP
THEM WITH FAITH ACTUALLY WORSHIP ONLY ME,
O SON OF KUNTI, BUT THEY DO SO IN A WRONG WAY.
JAI SRI KRISHNA
LET THERE BE PEACE.
I am giving here under Comment to the reply of Mr. Subramanyam
Pl note that There is no Mosque underneath the Shirdi Sai Samadi Mondir.
Only Sri sai Baba’s Samadi is there.
I don’t agree with yr following Comment
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Further It is astonishing that Sai Baba’s Puja are performed in shirdi where there is a Mosqiue underneath.
Normally In Hindu Religions where there is a dead body such worshipping is forebidden and such Place is unholy.
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Pl note in Guru’s /Mutt Head wld be Laid to rest in Samdi and over which Brindvan is placed and daily Puja is done.In Hinduism all sanyasi,a are laid to rest in Samadi and are not cremated and Puja’s are done to their Samadi as they are revered as Gurus
I’m just so glad that people have started talking about roots, hinduisim (Actually We are Aryans) hindu name was given by out neighbouring Persian brothers…
I agree to most of you, Sai should not be compared with Gods like Shree Ram, Shree Krishna and so forth. His place can be in home but not in temple. I have full respect for Sai and so do i respect my father but i do not place his picture i temple..Lets get this out loud and clear
Unwanted controversy! Bhatnagar ji, beautiful response. Wish there were more people like you! Every saint brings his or her own beautiful perspective. While you may follow one who suits you most, all of them need to be respected!
Wanted to cut shot with a simple comment as most of ppl already mentioned. Don’t know abt many of these gurus, I respect all of them. Just plz don’t mix God’s with gurus. You respect and prey Gurus at home or build a seperate temple but they can’t be added back to existing Purans or connect with avatars. Some ppl get great happiness following Jesus and many are happy praying sai baba. But if u r a true beliver of Hindu mythology then sai is no where related though some ppl relate with datta. It’s just like if you belive in puttaparthi sai baba who is mentioned to b another avatar of sai but rich unlike original. So upto u whether u pray jiva or parama but I agree they can’t be same.
Why is everyone wasting time and energy in judging about sai baba. HE did not want anyone to fight over Ram or Rahim and this is exactly what is happening. Everyone and everything has been created by GOD. so instead of wasting time on such an issue, save it for more humanity concerns of poverty, hunger, cleanliness and any other subject that can help our society and our country in a more meaningful way. Each and every one on this earth has the freedom to follow whatever spiritual path that suits him or her the best.
love the universe, love thyself, love GOD in all forms. NAMASTHE
Sai baba lived in a modest living and not like sankaracharyas sitting silver thrones. How many living shankaracharyas have miracle powers? Sai baba never indulged in politics nor he has pro[pagated any particular religion. Why this hue and cry? If one does not believe in a thing do not critisize . All worshippers are not fools. A sanyasi
is the one who has renounced everything in the world and does penance. How about devotees
thronging to Bawar Masjid before proceeding to
Sabari Malai. Come to Bangalore and see Muslims offering cold drinks on Ram Navami day
Is the present sankaracharyas can live like Periava ofkanchi. Nowhere near. All the religious heads should preach about unity and brotherhood, The earth, water, sky, air all belongs to everybody that god has created. All living beings are god so why speeches of pollution? No shankaracharyas allow darshan of any poor man in tattered cloth. If you want to spread hinduism do something to eradicate porverty and illiteracy. As periava has said feed the
poor.
Dear All,
Fallowing Gurus and Babas are not at all a bad practice , it is purely individuals faith . But comparing with Paramathma and avataras will not be accepted. Sanathana dharma protected Hindu dharma when it was in critical path by dominating other religions spreading with high speed . Hindus dharmic practice is having most tolerance.
Why Muslims are ignoring Sai Baba ,because Hindus are worshipping him .
Most pain full thing is that adding SAI title before every Hindu god name for their children’s etc,
We should like every human and animal beings while practicing your SWADHARMA even it might be inferior , PARADHARMO BHAYANAKAM .
Your religion is a gift from your ancestors . Please do not dump in between for the sake attractive petty toys.
Wishing a peaceful living with sharing n caring.
Look like the Acharya is off his head. I pray SAI to forgive him.
I think the whole discussion on this issue is centering around the big EGO, as to which god photo should be kept above and which god photo should be kept below.Shirdi saibaba is very clear that unless one surrenders his ego he cannot be closer to god.History is replete with incidents of many realized souls who were eating whatever was offered to them and they were even sharing such food with others including animals. It is reported that Shirdi saibaba used to share his food with dogs in the same plate in which he was eating.In a place where there is no ego this kind of debate becomes irrelevant.
Lord Sai Baba was great guru never descriminated devoteed based on religion, colour, caste, creed. Always taught people about human values, helping the poor, stressed mainly on values not on rituals. Even after his demise also, Sai Baba is showing miracles, he is the great guru who showed how to lead a life in India where multi ethnic people stay.
this sankaracharya does not appear to deserve to be a sankaracxharya ; he should do his duty asigned
to him by the other sankarachayas ; he should rry to learn the teachings of maha periava.
Shirdi Sai Baba is one of the avatar of God (either shiva or Jesus or Allah) but Sai Baba always said to his devotees as “Allah mallik” or “sabka mallik ek “… Please go and read of Sai satcharitra.. in Sai chatritra said about Sai Baba blessings his devotees in their God form (dattreya,maruthi,Shiva, Vishnu etc etc..,) sai Baba didn’t live his life in rich… And Sai Baba is kaliyuaga God in human form.. Sai Baba is not Hindu or Muslim… He is common for both religion.. and actually who is sankaracharya? Is sankaracharya is God or is there any miracle done by sankaracharya???