Originally Posted by mahak me, too, AM. I always say abortion is a dead issue, not to be cruel, but because the debate has absolutely no meaning. THE GOP proudly stands with pro-life movement, but they also proudly stand with the pharmaceutical companies, who are completely on board with the cannibalistic research that involves using fetal matter to provide juice to keep rich old folks alive despite their suicidal abuse of drugs, meat, their laziness, their scorn of wholistic medicine, etc. The GOP cannot say pro-life without answering for the wholesale practice of genocide, beginning almost immediately after WWII. In fact, their anti-abortion stance is not valid anyway because they could care less about inner city abortion, abortion of illegal aliens who may otherwise give birth on American soil, thus affording citizenship. They either have to adopt a quaker-like PRO-LIFE stand, or just keep quiet about it. Pro-choice is not necessarily pro-abortion. In fact, a liberal platform creates a system where the choice happens to be life. In a household where there is good education, living wage jobs, equal protection regardless of external circumstance, the choice is life. Statistics back me up on this as well, as I have much experiance working with pro-life groups who kept track of such real-time stats. During Reagan and Bush the first, abortion skyrocketed. Roe v. Wade was enacted during Nixon. Abortion declined during Carter, and the eight years of Clinton as well, only to grow again during the present regieme. Same with national policy. The GOP likes to say Carter was a complete failure, but the Camp David Accord was his doing, and seeing Sadat and Begin shaking hands was a monumental event. Clinton had Arafat back downm, accords were reached, peace was possible, but all went south when the GOP was running the show. Same with terrorism, the GOP says terrorism will happen under the Democrats, but who was president when 911 occurred? Who did not know what to do, oblivious to anything other than using bombs on nations whose only offence is hating the terrorists even more than we do. Saddam was a stalinist who hated all islamic jihad groups, hated al qaida, hated the wahabists from saudi, in fact, poured just as many scuds against the saudis than he did with Israel. But the GOP solution to terrorism is to let binladen off the hook when we had them all but defeated and go after a personal enemy of his stupid father, who also sucker-punched the stalinist saddam. Now the xians are mad because Iraq was not armageddon, so they want russia, but russia is just protecting ethnic russians in georgia. Oh well, haribol, good entertainment, eh? mahak

In fact, a liberal platform creates a system where the choice happens to be life. In a household where there is good education, living wage jobs, equal protection regardless of external circumstance, the choice is life.

Congressman Ron Paul says that the bailout bill is likely to pass, heralding a 10-year plus economic depression for America and the potential for martial law should civil unrest arise as the financial meltdown worsens.

“When they say that if we don’t do exactly as they say and turn over more of our money and more of our liberties and exempt themselves from any court in the whole nation, they’re trying to intimidate us and lead us into doing the wrong thing,” said Paul.
The Congressman added that serious problems would arise if nothing was done to address the problem, but that more serious consequences would follow should the bailout be passed.

“It looks like from I see in Congress, that they’re opting for a decade plus of depression rather than saying let’s correct our ways, let’s balance the budget, let’s bring our troops home,” said Paul, adding that the same course of printing money would continue - prolonging the agony and preventing a necessary correction.
Asked if civil unrest was a possibility in the midst of an economic depression, referencing a recent Army Times report concerning the use of active duty military being brought back from Iraq for “Homeland patrols” and “crowd control,” Paul questioned, “Are we going to have martial law or are we going to have more freedoms? The more problems that we have, the more likely it is that we’re going to have martial law, so I do think they anticipate and they plan for these things.”
Asked if criminal investigations and prosecutions of individuals on Wall Street should commence, Paul agreed but said that the main target of criminal inquiry should be the Federal Reserve board itself because, “That’s where the fraud is.”
“They want to be lawless, they don’t want to be held accountable,” he added.
Paul said that grand juries should be convened to take on prosecutions rather than the FBI becoming involved, stating, “We have proper authority with that and experience with it and the Enron case is a good example.”
The Congressman said that Greenspan and Bernanke should be criminally charged but that such an effort would be largely symbolic. “Morally speaking, they’re the culprits,” said Paul.
Asked what his solution to the crisis would be, Paul said, “I think the most important thing to do is to send the message that we’re going to quit living beyond our means and the president can set the standard for that and he has the most control under the Constitution on foreign policy - he can say no more wars, we’re done with the wars, we’re not going to take on the Russians, we’re not going to take on people in Venezuela, we’re going to start talking to the Cubans and bring our troops home and save hundreds of billions of dollars - that would send a powerful message that the dollar would respond to and oil prices would come down.”
Paul said that Americans had to accept a new idea of government that harked back to what the founders envisaged and that the welfare state would have to unravel along with aspirations of building a geopolitical empire.
“In the meantime the policy ought to be - shrink the size of government, decrease regulation, work towards sound money, remove the authority of the Fed to create money out of thin air and get tax reduction,” stated the Congressman. Paul added that eliminating the income tax would mean everybody becoming a lot richer and more money would be ploughed into the economy.
“It will not solve the problem, it just delays the inevitable,” said Paul of the bailout, adding that he expects the bill to pass in a move that would, “Defy the American people.”
“I think they get to the point where they think they’re like God and can control everything and they don’t realize that the market really is more powerful than all the bankers and all the politicians….Ultimately the underground economy is the real economy and I think they could over step themselves and hopefully we could come out with a better world afterwards,” concluded the Congressman.

Originally Posted by AncientMariner Read this on a blog... This is a sad day for this country and for the world with this utter disgrace and it’s getting very late in the game. We need to slay the beast that is the Federal Reserve before it rears its ugly head one last time and then is discarded into the dustbin of history, having fulfilled its abominable role of economic coercion. After that, any semblance of its existence that it has left will be irrelevant because all of the economic dictates will come from ‘on high’ in the form of whatever whim strikes the fancy of a dictator as a pathetic politburo, er, I mean congress looks passively on. No time to lose to try and save what little is left of the Republic. SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS!!!

Originally Posted by AncientMariner Read this on a blog... Bush doesn’t have the power to wipe his ass without permission.