Was Mad Max Right All Along? The Parallel Universe

[gHari]

Explanation of techno-radical terms below available here: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap020806.html

How fast do fundamental particles wobble? A surprising answer to this seemingly inconsequential question is coming out of Brookhaven National Laboratory in New York, USA and may not only indicate that the Standard Model of Particle Physics is incomplete but also that our universe is filled with a previously undetected type of fundamental particle. Specifically, the muon, a particle with similarities to a heavy electron, has had its relatively large wobble under scrutiny since 1999 in an experiment known as g-2 (gee-minus-two), pictured above. The result galvanizes other experimental groups around the world to confirm it, and pressures theorists to better understand it. The rate of wobble is sensitive to a strange sea of virtual particles that pop into and out of existence everywhere. The unexpected wobble rate may indicate that this sea houses virtual particles that include nearly invisible supersymmetric counterparts to known particles. If so, a nearly invisible universe of real supersymmetric particles might exist all around us.

They say only a small proportion of the mass of the universe is what we can currently see (planets, stars, gases etc...). The rest they can't seem to find. Could dark matter be the mass of heavenly planets, creatures etc....? Has Sadaputa Prabhu written about this dark matter in any manner?

[theist]

I have had the same or similar question. Added to dark matter scientists now claim they detect the existence of dark energy, along with dark matter.

Of course this dark stuff may be far more luminous than our present perceptions allow us to detect. Actually it is our vision that is darkened. Ultimately we are surround by worlds of eternal light, even interpenetrating our current space, as well as subtle temporary worlds.

This is why I get so baffeled reading some stories from the Purana's. That which sounds like an allegory may be literal fact, just taking place outside our current sense perception, or it may just be an allegory or fable.

Either way its a wild universe. Hang on, I think the ride only gets more fantastic as our understanding grows.

I bet Avinash knows something about dark matter and dark energy.

dark matter is a hoax to cover up bad science that
they are stuck on concerning the big bang. see electric -cosmos .org

[theist]

Well we know there is matter that is more subtle than our present senses can directly perceive. We also know that this subtle matter is the source of this visible matter. that there is still influence from that realm onto this one doesn't seem unreasonable.

dark matter was created to cover up the fact that
the big bang theory had numerous flaws that became apparent as technology got better.

the big bang theory states that at the beggining of time,all space and time including all of the matter in the universe today existed scrunched together ,compressed into a tiny
space.

then it blew up,or expanded very quickly, space expanding
with matter expanding with it.

this theory has many flaws,to many to mention here,
like how can space be scrunched into one spot, what is outside of that spot ?

but back to the matter at hand, the theory if teneable
for expansion needs there to be a certain quantity
or density of matter in the universe for the big bang to have happened, that quantity can be difined as 1.

the universe needs to have that quantity of matter or the big bang doesn't add up,it couldn't happen.

this was all well and good for them until they were able to measure the amount of matter, the actual amount is 1/100
needed.

so 99 per cent of the universe is missing.
enter dark matter, they reasoned that the big bang happened,
so the matter must be ,but can't be seen or detected.

they call this science.

the plasma physics school started by Hannes alfven ,
has utterly destroyed all and every aspect of the big bang,along with almost every other theoretical aspect
of astro physics, like what are black holes, how does the sun work, how do galaxies and solar systems form and work,
and on and on.

the establishment astro physics world is loath to admit defeat, their academic world for years has supported and maintaned and expanded all useless information,not based on
on data, or experiment,but made up by mathameticians
and theoretical speculators, whereas the plasma physicists are the exact opposite.

it all goes back to maintaning position and respectability
in the academic world, they will not teach the truth for fear of ridicule and loss of positions.

even one of there basic maxims has been proved by quantum physics to be incorrect, that matter can never be created destroyed just changed from one state to another,all matter
in the universe existed at the pre big bang state, and there is no new or loss of matter today.

in fact quantum physics has shown that particles come into and out of existence all the time in space, where from
has been the cause of a lot of speculation, David Bohm
has it down though,taking from his Vedic study,
the concept of Brahman, is his "sub quantum potential"
another dimension that is a unified field of unknown
energy, where particles pop out of and back seemingly
endowed with internal commands to make them act
in a specific way, creating for themselves positive
and negative charges, whcih cause atomic bonding, which causes all matter to take shape in grosser and grosser
forms.

in effect, non matter, the sub quantum field of potential
manifests in our dimension as matter, with apparent
inherent codes.

http://www.electric-cosmos.org/darkmatter.htm

[Avinash]

I was not following this thread. Just now, I read your post. I will post on dark matter and dark energy latter.

[Avinash]

Scientists can use 21 cm wavelength to detect hydrogen clouds. This wavelength is characteristic of hydrogen atoms. A hydrogen atom has one proton and one electron. The proton and the electron can be spinning in the same direction or in opposite directions. The state in which they are spinning in opposite directions has lower energy. When an atom of hydrogen changes from the higher energy state to the lower energy state, then the difference in energy is released in the form of radiation which has wavelength of 21 cm.

In 1970s, scientists studied the movement of hydrogen clouds in and around our galaxy to calculate the force of gravity at various points. The result was surprising. The result showed that there is mass even where no mass has been detected. It was found that there is mass even beyond what is thought to be the known boundary of our galaxy. It is thought that there is also matter which we have not been able to observe. That matter is called as "dark matter". Many other observations have also indicated that there is some missing mass. I will post some of those observations below.

[vsdprasad]

I guess it is dark matter that is also known as antimatter. Release of antimatter particles accounts for the missing energy released during a nuclear fusion reaction.

A few weeks ago, there was a program on PBS that showed scientists whose only aim in life was to observe the supernovae in the universe!, and it showed how they do it using BIG big telescopes mounted @ various places on earth.
This is the link: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/universe/

Supernova is an extreme glare coming out of a star when it is about to kick the bucket! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
-Prasad.

[theist]

I saw that Nova show on supernova's. Very cool. I don't care if all the deatils and theories are correct as I can't really follow them anyway. I'm in it for the mind blowing AWE effect at Krsna's magnificent glory.

Scripture is everwhere. Alas, my illiteracy.

Keep this thread going guys, just remember many of us are not very technical.

Hare Krsna

[Avinash]

The stars near the perimeter of our galaxy, have typical observed orbital velocities of 200 kilometers per second. If the galaxy consisted of only the matter that we have observed, these stars would very quickly fly off from the galaxy, because their orbital speeds are four times larger than the galaxy's escape velocity (calculated on the basis of known mass). Since galaxies are not seen to be spinning apart, there must be mass in the galaxy that we are not accounting for when we add up all the parts we can observe.

vsdprasad has mentioned that dark matter could be antimatter. Rather than continuing to post observations which suggest that there is missing mass, I will post what scientists think dark matter could consist of.

[theist]

Avinashji,

Are the scientists saying that those stars are being held i orbit by the gravitational force of the unseen mass?

Haribol, interesting stuff, but I always think of Yudhisthira's explanation to the crane who killed his brothers at the poisoned pond prior to their entering Virata. The crane was Yamaraja, Dharma, who was testing the TRUE known by his son. The crane asked him about the universe, and Yudhisthira replied, Black emptyness and nothing more.

All that stuff out there is really huge, but blackness is the totality, with the planets and stars only taking a minute portion of what we see.

There is just as vast an area under a microscope as there is on a telescope, and just as much life, systems, the whole game. But it amounts to nothing at all, because we have no access to any of it.

Haribol, ys, mahaksadasa

[theist]

Haribol Mahak,

I sometimes wonder what it would be like to conduct a less clumsy investigation of the atom and other timy things that are buzzing about.

You know, just as spiritual spark and intelligence fly right into an atom and check it out. Electrons and photons and the occasional quark whizzing around. From that perspective it may even seem like slow motion.

I think I picked this up from seeing some old film about physcians being shrunk and injected into the blood stream. What a way to get a prognosis.

Haribol, theist. Yes, it is the wee things that concern me, the little cities of bagdads that infuse our lungs to produce disasterous results.

When we study life force, we must acknowledge that all life is simulytaneously existing in the same space. I may see mahaksadasa as a singular being, but that is only spiritual recognition of individuality, and has no translation into the physical/biological world. It is impossible to calculate the quantity and quality of life force individuals occupying the same physical space. Not just microbes and other virus type beings, but perhaps even other human forms as well.

Take a microscpoe and analyze phlegm. It may seem gross to us the way we relate to it, but the smaller we go, the rounder we get (sorry hunter, I borrowed an old deadhead phrease from the alligator era, the true deadhead reign). We see crystals signifying abodes, and globes signifying living beings occupying these worlds. There is no yuckky stuff there, it is all pure and uncontaminated matter. Some of this matter heppens to be the matter other spiritual beings are operating in.

From a movie was a cool description of the wee beings. Sure, there are milky ways and adromedas, but there may be entire universes with brahmas to insignificant bugs occupying one of those crystals that make up our spleen. In the first Men in Black movie, a universe needed help from the agents, but this entire universe was in a jewel that was around the neck of a house cat.

Who is to say. Krsna says he is the largest of the large, and this is a fact that from the pores of the sleeping and half awake maha Visnu countless universes spring forth. It is all so gigantic. But, Krsna also says he is the smallest of the small, and this alludes to the mad mahax theory presented herewith.

There is also the fact that our eyes are made of dirt and water, with a bit of fire, ether, and air. So the things we see have the same proportion of dirt and water, otherwise they cannot be seen. What about other combinations of such matter. What about etherial beings. We feel them in sound, the highway of ether, but wee cannot prove their existance by the scientific method, because the sciences depend on the constitutional makeup of the dirt and water combination of this realm. Srila Prabhupada commented on the moon, stating that if we did go there, all we would see is thing that our vision could relate to. There could be large, advanced cities made of ether, air and fire, but all we would see is rocks.

And, we also have layers of planetary systems. Not up in the sky, but both upward and inward. The universe as depicted in Srimad Bhagavatam cannot be drawn because we cannot get artistic perspective of something our dirt and water senses cannot comprehend. The patalas and rasatalas, the lower planetary systems, are stated to be downwars, so where can we look? Under the planet? No, absolutely not, because for a globe structure, underneath means upward as well. If we leave the surface of the earth upward, from Sydney as well as Helsinki, we can never physically find any lower planets, because they are also known as "subterranean" planets. This means that they must co-exist in the same space as this planet, within the globe physics. Not to get into a hollow earth theory, which is just a scientific attempt to understand thing beneath us with dirt and water eyes, we go again to the microscope, where we can see miles and miles of space between the atoms that make up a piece of granite, something we relate no empty space to whatsoever. There could be suns, moons and stars under the outhouse out back.

I think this is why yudhisthira made his comment to Dharma. He certainly could recognize the quality of Narayana's creation, but referred to it as empty blackness and nothing more meaning our access to it is unqualified,

Cool to talk about, not worth a dime to study something that we will never comprehend in our present state of dirt and water physics. We are reminded to become like Narada Muni in our service to God, then we get to be sent to all these forsms and living arrangements with full ability to comprehend, this is the descending process, become friends with the One who knopws all, and He will tell us everything TRUE that we will need to know. The ascending processes of science and theoretical religiosity only create frustration when we fail every endeavor due to our limited ability to see what is in front of us at all times.

Hare Krsna, ys, mahaksadasa

the concept of dark matter was created for one purpose,
to prop up the big bang theory.

in fact there is no such thing.

the new school of plasma astro physics has shown
the real cause of previously speculated phenomena.

http://electric-cosmos.org

be there or be square.

[Avinash]

You are right.
The scientists are saying that the gravitational force by known mass is not sufficient to hold these stars. The remaining part of gravitational force is provided by unseen mass.