Big bang was not the beginning of time

[Govindaram]

"So, I will feel as if time has stood still inside the black hole. But, it does not mean that you will not feel any change of time. You will very well feel the passage of time."

In Goloka Vrindavana time is faster/slower??

Compared to the Earth..

There is no time in Goloka Vrindavana, the only reason there are days and nights in goloka vrindaban is due to the maya of the lord.

There is no time there, people don't age, they all stay as 12 year old boys and girls... unless they are partaking in the parent rasa... then I think they will be older, but you know this already prabhu.

I_love_krishna_

This makes lots of sense.I was speaking to a philosophy professor, Dr Carlin, speaking about whether time ever began or if it ever ended.To me, it never began and it will ever end. It only make sense. It is just like a circle. It does not a beginning nor an end. Everything concrete to us is just a standard. Everything has infinity within it. For example, something can measure 2in or it can measure 2.000000....infinentely.

[akshar]

What a load of rubbish! The silly old man who made up the theory of the 'big bang' must have been on drugs. I wonder if he has heard of god. How can anyone think that. It's like saying god threw a couple of nukes into space and denotonated them. What a laugh. It's a theory just used for buisness and fame.

[akshar]

The sun cannot die because he is Surya-Narayan (god)

[Avinash]

Originally Posted by akshar What a load of rubbish! The silly old man who made up the theory of the 'big bang' must have been on drugs. I wonder if he has heard of god. How can anyone think that. It's like saying god threw a couple of nukes into space and denotonated them. What a laugh. It's a theory just used for buisness and fame.

Why do you think that Big Bang expansion is impossible? Big Bang expansion is said to have taken place approx 14 billion years ago. Universe is expanding at present. Then, why is it so difficult to believe that it was expanding 14 billion years ago?

time having a limit is most foolish thing i've heard

[arya]

finally Guys it is prooved that three dimention space is not the real existant space and it prooves our vedic philosophy

Because, an atom's structure cannot be derived from this three dimention space, and for this purpose the scientists use a special kind of space architecture called gilbert's space which is of infinite dimentions

it is a solid proof that most of current scientific theories based on 3D space is limited to the current illution and has no scope, whatever outside this illution ( i mean reality)

regards

arya

Originally Posted by akshar The sun cannot die because he is Surya-Narayan (god)

Astrophysics syas sun will blow up itself after some 5- 6 billion years afetr hydrogen gas is exhausted. But will not form a planetary nebula. All observed Planetary nebula are binary star at its centre. A planetary nebula called ring nebula is at Lyra constellation.This shows stars explode called supernova explosion.The sun is also a star. hence have lifetime.

Originally Posted by akshar What a load of rubbish! The silly old man who made up the theory of the 'big bang' must have been on drugs. I wonder if he has heard of god. How can anyone think that. It's like saying god threw a couple of nukes into space and denotonated them. What a laugh. It's a theory just used for buisness and fame.

Is it not true that in Hinduism, there is a cycle of birth and death not only in the lives of we human beings and the various spirits and deities that surround us, but of even the universe itself? Is it not the case that Shiva destroys everything in the end and Brama creates it again? So perhaps what scientists see as the big bang really was a big bang. Perhaps that is how Brama chooses to begin the cycle again. Perhaps this figure sets it all in motion, imparts momentum to everything we know and allows the cycle to go around once again. I am personally neither a Hindu nor a physicist, I am just a person, and not a very intelligent one at that. I haven't even found a way to separate myself from the terrible wanting of material things, especially for a woman, but when I approach this problem, it seems clear enough to me that Brama and the big bang are simply two ways of viewing the same phenomenon. Perhaps we should all get along rather than squabble over such little things.

Guest, immediately preceeding my post, said :
Is it not true that in Hinduism, there is a cycle of birth and death not only in the lives of we human beings and the various spirits and deities that surround us, but of even the universe itself? Is it not the case that Shiva destroys everything in the end and Brama creates it again? So perhaps what scientists see as the big bang really was a big bang. Perhaps that is how Brama chooses to begin the cycle again. Perhaps this figure sets it all in motion, imparts momentum to everything we know and allows the cycle to go around once again. I am personally neither a Hindu nor a physicist, I am just a person, and not a very intelligent one at that. I haven't even found a way to separate myself from the terrible wanting of material things, especially for a woman, but when I approach this problem, it seems clear enough to me that Brama and the big bang are simply two ways of viewing the same phenomenon. Perhaps we should all get along rather than squabble over such little things.


I agree with you guest. What you said were actually what some of the physicists have noted. I have read a book written by an australian physicist , can't remember the name, who worked also in Cambridge that mentioned about the cyclical nature of the reality of the world.

Sri Sri Guru and Gauranga
Myrla
Australia

[Leaflord]

I'm a hindu, but i believe universe does have a start....
but its not the only universe, it is a multiverse. I'm not so well versed in hinduism, but i've read lotsa articles to support my points. All 'gods' are positions, and souls live in the deva-loka and die as time passes.. Similiarly Surya is one of the vasus, his death might signify dying of this sun. Every brahma (prajapathi) creates a universe, for him a second signifies millions of years. He lives a 100 years and then dies, which for us is 311 trillion years. Within this period of time, there are multiple mahayuga (the combination of all the four yuga) and such. We have a concept similiar to an alternating universe, though i'm not completely sure of how it happens. One says its a contracting and expanding universe, the other says all will be absorbed and emitted by That. Whatever it be, there's no reason to go all crazy about big bang. It has some truth, with a reason.

You make the mistake of assuming that the sun planet and the Sun god are the same. The Sun god lives in the Sun planet but he is not the sun planet itself. So therefore, the sun planet can have an end.

I don't have sources so I could be wrong about this.

Originally Posted by akshar The sun cannot die because he is Surya-Narayan (god)

[Murali_Mohan_das]

Has anyone ever noticed that the Bhagavatam's description of Garbodhakshayi Vishnu lying on Ananta Sesa in the Causal Ocean, sleeping and exhaling all the universes and then inhaling and destroying them very closely parallels the closed system Big Bang theory (where there are a cycle of expansions and contractions).

I never understood why Srila Prabhupad was so against the Big Bang theory. It seems to parallel the Vedic conception with the difference being, Vaishnavas believe in a Divine Consciousness underpinning everything while materialists ascribe everything to pure chance.

[wignaraj6279]

As when a sun dies, there is a black hole, which sucks in all the matter of the sun,
My vision was that our universe is a black hole of a previous sun before the big bang. As are there many macro universes, there are micro universes, everything is matter and energy, if time is infinite then one day when our sun dies and our solar system is no more, the black hole of our sun would contain all the matter and must implode and expand, because energy can not be destroyed and would change shape.
Just has when we die all our energy all our thoughts, knowledge become a single cell or form and would become part of the energy and matter.

[Avinash]

Originally Posted by wignaraj6279 As when a sun dies, there is a black hole, which sucks in all the matter of the sun,

The final phase of our Sun will be a white dwarf and not a black hole.

[suthra]

akshar, i see that your post is rubbish,
Sun moon, all are demi gods as per hinduism. They Are Not Gods!.

Regards.,
Sarathy.s

[suchandra]

Originally Posted by Avinash Why do you think that Big Bang expansion is impossible? Big Bang expansion is said to have taken place approx 14 billion years ago. Universe is expanding at present. Then, why is it so difficult to believe that it was expanding 14 billion years ago?

Originally Posted by suchandra [IMG][/IMG]

What do you want to know? Something about 'details.'

"They say the universe is undergoing an endless series of Big Bangs, expansions, contractions and big crunches. There is no end of time and no need to define what existed before the universe was born."

As far as I can understand, there still needs to be some first cause, Prime Unmoved Mover (call it God or whatever) behind the constant change, even though the development of the universe would be seen as a never-ending cycle. There is no movement without a cause. There are no phenomena without a cause.

The only true reason why quite many scientists insist that there is no first cause is that they have made a personal religious choice, they have choosed not to include any Prime Unmoved Mover in their personal ideology. I think that that sort of an ideology is strongly biased and one needs strong faith in order NOT to believe in God.

What exactly the Prime Unmoved Mover is, is another, much more interesting question.