Guest guest Posted May 23, 2004 Report Share Posted May 23, 2004 "from me.. ok?" OK Boss. I will accept your commandment. But only problem is that you interpret Gita in fashions that contradict Rig Veda very often. In another thread you said: Individual soul is CIT. Now in this thread you say: There is me the idiot, you the scientist and Krishna ---- one, two, three. That means your CIT is idiot. Or that you are not CIT. Contradictions galore Atanu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2004 Report Share Posted May 23, 2004 I think it says in Srimad Bhagavatam that Vyasa compiled the Puranas for better understanding for people in this age of Kali... So we must follow the Puranas, because it is meant for Age of Kali...i.e. us!! And among the Puranas, only Srimad Bhagavatam claims to be 'the cream of Vedic literature'...so that should be our authority... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2004 Report Share Posted May 23, 2004 how can u confirm that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atanu Posted May 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 Yajur Veda iv. 5. 5. a Homage to Bhava and to Rudra. b Homage to Çarva -----------. f Homage to him who haunteth the mountains, and to Çipivista. g --------------. I Homage to the chief, and to the first. m -----------------. Note: Rudra is Carva. Carva is all. Rudra is Cipivista Mind cannot confirm Shruti. If you had read the thread from the beginning then this question would not have arisen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raguraman Posted May 31, 2004 Report Share Posted May 31, 2004 Hare Krishna, iv. 5. 5. a Homage to Bhava and to Rudra. b Homage to Çarva -----------. Sarva is one of the eleven Rudras. So it is not surprising to call Lord Rudra as Sarva. This is the mukhyartha. Also if you read Sri Rudram fully one can easily understand that all the Rudras including Lord Shiva is praised, else how do you explain the verse "homage to Bhava and to Rudra". Note the two different names refer to two different entities here. The hidden meaning is that all names in Vedas refer to Shri Hari only. So your verses clearly show just the opposite of what you say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 "The hidden meaning is that all names in Vedas refer to Shri Hari only." Do not state. Show with shruti proof. Rudra is Bhava and Rudra is Sarva. You can see 108 and 1008 names of Rudra. Rudras are not Rudra. Rudras include Maruts. In Rig Veda, Rudras and Rudra are distinctly spoken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atanu Posted June 1, 2004 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 If you read Shree Rudram, you will find that Rudra is all, including Vishnu. But I do not have any problem with your position. It is a question of whether the sub stratum gives rise to all pervading and swift Vishnu or the other way round. I remember a fight my daughter had with another kid of her age. My daughter kept saying " The Sun is 'peela'". The other kid kept on repeating: "No, the Sun is yellow. But finally the Sun is Sun. All scriptures state that the unchanging substratum is Brahman. Mind (Indra) emerges from that. He brings in waters (Goddesses) and from the waters emerge Vishnu. Dragon of the deep (Ahirbudhnaya) still is there as the sub stratum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raguraman Posted June 12, 2004 Report Share Posted June 12, 2004 Hare Krishna, "The hidden meaning is that all names in Vedas refer to Shri Hari only." Do not state. Show with shruti proof. Should I state Visnusahasranama and Visvakarma Sukta of Rig Veda. Go and read that. Rudra is Bhava and Rudra is Sarva. You can see 108 and 1008 names of Rudra. There are many bogus Gitas like Gamesha gita etc. and also bogus shasranamas. Rudras are not Rudra. Rudras include Maruts. In Rig Veda, Rudras and Rudra are distinctly spoken. Yes, Rudras are not Rudra and vice versa. Advaita does not make sense here or anywhere. Any way the real translation of the relevant verse is as folows. namashsarva yacha pashupataye cha Salutations to Him who destroys sins and Him who protects beings in fetters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raguraman Posted June 12, 2004 Report Share Posted June 12, 2004 Hare Krishna, If you read Shree Rudram, you will find that Rudra is all, including Vishnu. Nowhere it is said so to my knowledge. Namo giri shayacha shipivistayacha Some interprest this verse to refer to Visnu(Sipivishta). So there is not much proof in this regard. All scriptures state that the unchanging substratum is Brahman. Mind (Indra) emerges from that. He brings in waters (Goddesses) and from the waters emerge Vishnu. Dragon of the deep (Ahirbudhnaya) still is there as the sub stratum. Good theory on substratum, but really there is no basis in Shrutis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2004 Report Share Posted June 12, 2004 In another thread you said: Individual soul is CIT. Now in this thread you say: There is me the idiot, you the scientist and Krishna ---- one, two, three. That means your CIT is idiot. Or that you are not CIT. we are CIT because god gives us this feature... but, if we come in this world wih the purpose to forget him (actually all of us have done like that), he fulfills our desire to be forgetful blinding us with his maya energy. So we are CIT because god has made us cit.. but now we are blinded because he has fulfilled our desire no contraddiction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2004 Report Share Posted June 13, 2004 Yajur Veda i. 4. 36. a Çitta with the sinew, Bhava with the liver, Rudra with the taniman, Paçupati with the thick heart, Agni with the heart, Rudra with the blood, Çarva with the kidneys, Mahadeva with the intestinal flesh, him that slayest most quickly with the entrails Yajur Veda i. 8. 15. a Thou art the bolt of Indra, slaying foes; with thee may he slay his foe. b ------ c Thou art the stepping of Visnu, thou art the step of Visnu, thou art the stride of Visnu d On the instigation of the Maruts may I conquer. e Be mind ready. f May I be united with power and strength. (Shiva and Shakti) g Thou art the spirit of cattle; like them may my spirit be. h ------------ Atanu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2004 Report Share Posted June 13, 2004 There is only one boss. I said earlier that Yes we have met. You took a long time. The differences are minor. Atanu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2004 Report Share Posted June 13, 2004 sorry but i do not understand what you are saying and what it has to do with our discussion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2004 Report Share Posted June 27, 2004 "As for Lord Visnu, it is clearly stated in Vedas that HE always existed and even before Lord Rudra took birth from Lord Brahma's Head. 1.156.02 He who presents (offerings) to Vis.n.u, the ancient, the creator, the recent, the self-born; he who celebrates the great birth of that mighty one; he verily possessed of abundance, attains (the station) that is to be sought (by all). [s'ravobhir yujyam cidabhyasat, by food, or by fame, he attains whatsoever is to be joined with; to complete the ellipse: annairyuktah san sarvair gantavyam tat padam gacchati]." In the verse cited it is stated: he who celebrates the great birth of that mighty one; So, there is birth of the mighty one. Whereas, the other one is unborn. The second point relates to reference to birth of Rudra from Brahma'sa head. It was not a birth as you would like to depict. Brahma had no control of the event. Shambu appeared to punish Brahma. Similarly Shambu as halo takes birth from Vishnu's forehead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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