Lord is One

[Guest guest]

Spiritual life is very serious matter, if the followers of any denomination follows Dharma given by these personalities then the fault lies with them and not the followers.

--there's no injustice.. karma is an exact science. One has exactly what he deserves

 

Substitute the word offence with desires and you will get a better picture.

--desire is not a bad word.. desire to be independent by krsna bounds us in the material world, to desire krsna brings us back to him... offence is a bad desire

 

My point for above sloka was to demonstrate that Krishna is not offended by our actions, he does not kill us.

--krsna is not offended, he's detached, but he, through karma law or directly punish us to teach to us.... and he's in control of everything, if anyone dies it is krsna that's killing

 

( ----ahimsa is not a great realization (in comparison..)

Ahimsa is one of the four pillars of the Vedic dharma.

--basic pillar... the fact that buddhist respect ahimsa do not make them authorities in religion only for this.. advaitins are infinitely more advanced, then dvaitin, then acynthia beda abeda

 

And now you are saying even a non-religious person can be non-violent, have you known any materialist demon to be non-violent?

--if i am non violent but negating krsna divinity and existence, i am more asura than one doing sincerely some practice towards bhakti and killing one millions people a day. Of course more often religious people are also peaceful, but it is not the most important feature. Arjuna is the most perfect devotee in his cathegory, and he express his devotion in killing million people. Arjuna is infinitely much better than a buddhist.

 

 

[Ganeshprasad]

Jai Ganesh

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(--there's no injustice.. karma is an exact science. One has exactly what he deserves)

 

I have no problem with this statement, so Let Lord Buddha and Sankracharya take care of their followers, or atleast they are responsible for them.

 

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(--desire is not a bad word.. desire to be independent by krsna bounds us in the material world, to desire krsna brings us back to him... offence is a bad desire)

 

Free will is not an offence

 

 

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(--krsna is not offended, he's detached, but he, through karma law or directly punish us to teach to us.... and he's in control of everything, if anyone dies it is krsna that's killing)

 

i have no doubt the lord is in control but he is very kind he fulfills our desires, he does not interfere, laws of karma takes care of our actions

 

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(--basic pillar... the fact that buddhist respect ahimsa do not make them authorities in religion only for this.. advaitins are infinitely more advanced, then dvaitin, then acynthia beda abeda)

 

Basic pillar but importent.

 

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(--if i am non violent but negating krsna divinity and existence, i am more asura than one doing sincerely some practice towards bhakti and killing one millions people a day.)

 

 

if you are doing bhakti you will not be killing.

 

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(Of course more often religious people are also peaceful, but it is not the most important feature. Arjuna is the most perfect devotee in his cathegory, and he express his devotion in killing million people. Arjuna is infinitely much better than a buddhist.)

 

 

Arjun was perfoming his Ksatriya dharma he was fighting against Adharma, he does not take pride in killing

 

Jai Shree Krishna

[Guest guest]

I have no problem with this statement, so Let Lord Buddha and Sankracharya take care of their followers, or atleast they are responsible for them.

--yes.. god is responsible.. if they are sincere and non offensive they will make progress and krsna will take care directly

 

Free will is not an offence

--if you use the free will to offence....

 

i have no doubt the lord is in control but he is very kind he fulfills our desires

--if we blaspheme krsna we are expressing the desire to negate him and forget him.. so he fulfills our desire and leaves us in a world where this is very easy to do.. this world

 

he does not interfere, laws of karma takes care of our actions

--karma are the laws and krsna is the one who gives and sustains these laws.. so he, directly or indirectly... "interferes"

 

if you are doing bhakti you will not be killing.

--arjuna kills a lot

 

Arjun was perfoming his Ksatriya dharma he was fighting against Adharma, he does not take pride in killing

--who is speaking of pride? if he's a bhakta he's not proud (arjuna was performing bhakti devoting his ksatrya features and activities to krsna)

[Guest guest]

 

“Advaita is possible - you fuse into Brahman - and experience peace, bliss etc...but you end up desiring relationship and so fall back down to the material world in order to find the REAL form of God (i.e. personal form)...

Then, if u realise Krishna, u go to the spiritual world - AND FROM THERE THERE IS NO RETURN...”

 

 

This prabhu has so much knowledge and so many forms. I am amazed. Where is this knowledge from?

 

 

“The unintelligent don't know about his higher nature, that he's changeless. They think he was born and assumed that form.”

 

 

Yes, an unintelligent person does not know about his own higher nature also.

 

 

In Chapter VII of Gita: The way to the Supreme Spirit, Lord says:

 

The blessed Lord said: Sloka 3. The highest imperishable principle is Brahman. Its existence as embodied soul is called Adhyatma and the offerings (into sacrificial fire) which causes the development of beings. Later he says: I am that as Adhyajna in this body.

 

So, Krsna himself says that he is embodied. Why deny this?

 

 

 

Can you please get a reference to Krisna from Rig Veda?

 

 

Atanu

[Guest guest]

"•••if i negate that the personality of god is supreme, if i say that the personality of god is maya.. i am offensive to that person, krishna, vishnu.."

 

 

Can you furnish exact statement of the person you are refering to. Who has said this

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Krishna also says 'i am supreme person'

 

'i am cause of all causes'

 

Brahma says 'Govinda is original person full of truth, bliss and knowledge'

 

I EMPHASISE PERSON, not brahman...

 

Also, Krishna shows Arjuna his 4-hand form as Vishnu...then he shows Arjuna his ORIGINAL 2-handed form...so his original form is as a person, not as brahman...brahman is his effulgence, his energy...

 

I know Krishan wasn't born...his form was always as he showed Arjuna...somple as that...

 

Rig veda is not important in age of Kali...Vyasa compiled Puranas for Shudras...in this age all are Shudras...and Bhagavad Purana is cream of Vedic literature...and Bhagavad Purana says Krishna original person...Supreme Lord...no doubt...HARIBOL!!!

[Guest guest]

"•••if i negate that the personality of god is supreme, if i say that the personality of god is maya.. i am offensive to that person, krishna, vishnu.."

Can you furnish exact statement of the person you are refering to. Who has said this

 

if i say that the krsna's form, the krsna's person, is maya i am blaspheming krsna... is it so difficult?

[Ganeshprasad]

Jai Ganesh

 

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(--yes.. god is responsible.. if they are sincere and non offensive they will make progress and krsna will

take care directly)

 

Quality of sincerity , non offensive. Non violence purity are important in execution of Dharma, Krisha has given us different paths to follow, of which bhakti is the best, that is not to say those who choose other way to approach him/her are offensive.

 

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( --if you use the free will to offence....)

 

Exercising free will to accept or reject can not be deemed as an offence otherwise what is the value of free will. Offend is to break a law then you pay for it

 

 

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(--if we blaspheme krsna we are expressing the desire to negate him and forget him.. so he fulfills our desire and leaves us in a world where this is very easy to do.. this world)

 

And when the soul sees the futility of taking birth again and again, finally has brahm jignasya

 

Gayani see krishna as all prevading brahman, yogi see him as parmatma bhakta see him as Bhagvan

Bg.9.15

jnana-yajnena capy anye

yajanto mam upasate

ekatvena prthaktvena

bahudha visvato-mukham

 

 

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(--karma are the laws and krsna is the one who gives and sustains these laws.. so he, directly or indirectly... "interferes")

 

Yes the laws are given by the lord, I have not argued otherwise and it works perfectly, generally he does not interfere only in major event might he change the course.

 

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( --arjuna kills a lot)

 

Killing senselessly is a big offense

 

You make it sound as if killing is a form of bhakti, bin laden will be very happy with you. Here is what Lord Krishna says

 

Those having the qualities of heroism, vigor, firmness, dexterity, not fleeing from battle, charity, and administrative skills are called Kshatriyas, the protectors. (18.43)

 

Their duty is to protect the Dharma and in doing so they express their Bhakti.

 

Arjun is very compassionate.

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

 

[Guest guest]

Quality of sincerity , non offensive

---yes.. there's unwanted offences and wanted ones.. the last ones bring more karma... but they are offences and make us bounded in the material world

 

Non violence purity are important in execution of Dharma

--of course, but non violence is secondary and purity is to be pure devotees of sri krsna bhagavan

 

Krisha has given us different paths to follow, of which bhakti is the best, that is not to say those who choose other way to approach him/her are offensive.

---i am not offensive if i follow something innocently. If, starting by complete materialism, i feel ot i learn that there's an energy who is beyond the universe it is a great advancement. but if i am given the correct information that beyond this energy there's an energetic.. god... krishna.. and i stick obstinately on the idea that the ultimate reality is the impersonal energy and that the personal aspect is only a propedeutic stage.. it is most offensive and, surely, does not brings to any spiritual realization

 

And when the soul sees the futility of taking birth again and again, finally has brahm jignasya

---this is a christian concept... spiritual consciousness comes from knowing god, not from suffering or having been subjected to material energy

 

Gayani see krishna as all prevading brahman, yogi see him as parmatma bhakta see him as Bhagvan

--if there's no negation of bhagavan it is allright

 

generally he does not interfere only in major event might he change the course.

--god is ever in control, ever conscious of his energies and how they are working

 

Killing senselessly is a big offense

--arjuna is CIT.. completely conscious... he's not senseless

 

You make it sound as if killing is a form of bhakti, bin laden will be very happy with you.

---evrything if made engaging our karma and guna at the service of sri krishna under the guidance of an authentic spiritual master and chanting hare krishna is bhakti... have this bin ladin these features?

 

Those having the qualities of heroism, vigor, firmness, dexterity, not fleeing from battle, charity, and administrative skills are called Kshatriyas, the protectors. (18.43)

Their duty is to protect the Dharma and in doing so they express their Bhakti.

--yes.. it is bhakti if they are absorbed in krsna consciousness, whatever activity they are doing

 

Arjun is very compassionate.

--no doubt... even when he's killing

 

[Ganeshprasad]

Jai Ganesh

 

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(--of course, but non violence is secondary and purity is to be pure devotees of sri krsna bhagavan)

 

The Supreme Lord said: Fearlessness, purity of heart, perseverance in the yoga of knowledge, charity, sense restraint, sacrifice, study of the scriptures, austerity, honesty; (16.01)

 

 

Nonviolence, truthfulness, absence of anger, renunciation, equanimity, abstaining from malicious talk, compassion for all creatures, freedom from greed, gentleness, modesty, absence of fickleness; (16.02)

 

 

Splendor, forgiveness, fortitude, cleanliness, absence of malice, and absence of pride; these are the qualities of those endowed with divine virtues, O Arjuna. (16.03)

 

 

Nothing secondary about nonviolence, purity is a virtue, we have to work at it, simply calling ourself a bhakta does not bring this quality.

 

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(---i am not offensive if i follow something innocently. If, starting by complete materialism, i feel ot i learn that there's an energy who is beyond the universe it is a great advancement. but if i am given the correct information that beyond this energy there's an energetic.. god... krishna.. and i stick obstinately on the idea that the ultimate reality is the impersonal energy and that the personal aspect is only a propedeutic stage.. it is most offensive and, surely, does not brings to any spiritual realization)

 

this is your opinion, Lord Krishna has not said that those who worship me as impersonal brahman are offensive, if you find anywhere please let me know, on the contrary he has said

yat sankhyaih prapyate sthanam

tad yogair api gamyate

ekam sankhyam ca yogam ca

yah pasyati sa pasyati

 

 

((And when the soul sees the futility of taking birth again and again, finally has brahm jignasya))

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(---this is a christian concept... spiritual consciousness comes from knowing god, not from suffering or having been subjected to material energy)

 

How does this make christian concept? they dont beleive in reincarnation.

 

brahm jignasya is to know who am i where am i coming from?

 

 

 

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(--god is ever in control, ever conscious of his energies and how they are working)

 

that is why he has no need to interfere, every thing is working perfactly.

 

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(--arjuna is CIT.. completely conscious... he's not senseless)

 

I never said he was senseless.

 

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(---evrything if made engaging our karma and guna at the service of sri krishna under the guidance of an authentic spiritual master and chanting hare krishna is bhakti... have this bin ladin these features?)

 

You miss my point, making a statement like Arjun kills, can be misrepresented, better to say he protects.

people kill in the name of religion, chop the head off and chant god is great where is bhakti in it?

 

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Arjun is very compassionate.

(--no doubt... even when he's killing)

 

my point is he is compassionate, but not because he is killing.

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

 

[Guest guest]

Nothing secondary about nonviolence

--it is secondary (in absolute).. as we have seen there's who kills at krsna's service

 

purity is a virtue, we have to work at it, simply calling ourself a bhakta does not bring this quality.

--of course, we can say also that we get purity for krsna's mercy

 

this is your opinion, Lord Krishna has not said that those who worship me as impersonal brahman are offensive

--who worship me.. not who worship brahman against me...

 

How does this make christian concept? they dont beleive in reincarnation.

--reincarnation or not, consciousness and realization does not come from suffering

 

brahm jignasya is to know who am i where am i coming from?

--that does not come from suffering

 

that is why he has no need to interfere, every thing is working perfactly.

--you are playing with words.. there's not a moment when krsna is not conscious of his energies and active, nothing works separately from krsna

 

You miss my point, making a statement like Arjun kills, can be misrepresented, better to say he protects.

--the root of the arjuna killing is devotional service.. i am not responsible if anyone wants to speculate, we are in a specialistic forum and we can say things without ever making premises or having fear that someone does not understand properly. So in kuruksetra war there's millions of killed warriors and arjuna is personally responsible of millions of these deaths

 

people kill in the name of religion, chop the head off and chant god is great where is bhakti in it?

--do you know anyone who now in this world is really killing for serving krsna? i do not know.. maybe someone believes it, but belief is not reality

 

my point is he is compassionate, but not because he is killing.

--no.. he's compassionate because he's killing. A devotee has all the qualities, among these qualities there's compassion.. He is compassionate because he has accepted the instruction to put his karma and guna at krsna's service, so he's a devotee, so he's compassionate. And serving krsna he's serving all the living beings, this is compassion. If he decided not to kill and go to perform ascetics and jagnas he was not compassionate at all but materialist, krsna aparadhi and egoist.

 

jaya sri krsna, jaya sri bhagavad gita

 

 

[Ganeshprasad]

Jai Ganesh

 

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(--it is secondary (in absolute).. as we have seen there's who kills at krsna's service)

 

Non violence is no secondary quality it is high on the list in many places in Bhagvat Gita

To defend and protect is a ksatriya Dharma; killing is secondary option in fact a last resort.

 

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( --of course, we can say also that we get purity for krsna's mercy)

 

Krishna’s mercy is always there, that does not mean we do not aspire to be pure in our thought and actions.

 

 

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( --who worship me.. not who worship brahman against me...)

 

Of-course if Brahman and Krishna are two different entity then your statement is correct.

 

 

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(--reincarnation or not, consciousness and realization does not come from suffering)

 

Consciousness is always there, suffering is a catalyst in realizing who is suffering.

Lord Krishna says there are four types of man who worship me and one of them is (arthi) who is suffering (7.16)

 

 

 

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(--you are playing with words.. there's not a moment when krsna is not conscious of his energies and active, nothing works separately from krsna)

 

I do not like to play with words, sorry if I come across like that. Not even a blade of grass moves without his sanction, but everything is purnam and working under his control. There is difference between control and interfering and I am not suggesting he can’t interfere.

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( --the root of the arjuna killing is devotional service.. i am not responsible if anyone wants to speculate, we are in a specialistic forum and we can say things without ever making premises or having fear that someone does not understand properly. So in kuruksetra war there's millions of killed warriors and arjuna is personally responsible of millions of these deaths)

 

I beg to differ, your apparent attitude on killing is callous if someone visiting the forum, and there are many guests who do, will read your statement as stated therefor you are directly responsible for what you write.

 

((people kill in the name of religion, chop the head off and chant god is great where is bhakti in it?))

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(--do you know anyone who now in this world is really killing for serving krsna? i do not know.. maybe someone believes it, but belief is not reality)

 

Such belief spring from misinformation or lack of it.

 

 

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(--no.. he's compassionate because he's killing. A devotee has all the qualities, among these qualities there's compassion.. He is compassionate because he has accepted the instruction to put his karma and guna at krsna's service, so he's a devotee, so he's compassionate. And serving krsna he's serving all the living beings, this is compassion. If he decided not to kill and go to perform ascetics and jagnas he was not compassionate at all but materialist, krsna aparadhi and egoist.)

 

He is indeed a great personality; he is Krishna’s Sakha. Of-course he does what Krishna says, beside he is Ksatriya that was his duty to fight. Krishna never said if you do not fight you will be my apradhi and egoist, but he said you would incur sin for not following your ksatriya duty.

 

jaya sri krsna, jaya sri bhagavad gita

 

 

[Guest guest]

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(--it is secondary (in absolute).. as we have seen there's who kills at krsna's service)

Non violence is no secondary quality it is high on the list in many places in Bhagvat Gita

To defend and protect is a ksatriya Dharma; killing is secondary option in fact a last resort.

---let us say that external actions are not important in absolute.. it is the devotion that there's behind that is important

 

( --who worship me.. not who worship brahman against me...)

Of-course if Brahman and Krishna are two different entity then your statement is correct.

---so it is not possible to desire brahman and simultaneously despise krsna

 

suffering is a catalyst in realizing who is suffering.

---i do not understand the sense of this cathalization.. i know only that spiritual consciousness comes from spirit and not from matter

 

Not even a blade of grass moves without his sanction, but everything is purnam and working under his control. There is difference between control and interfering and I am not suggesting he can’t interfere.

---interference means that i am not in charge then i interfere in a process that has nothing to do with me

 

your apparent attitude on killing is callous if someone visiting the forum, and there are many guests who do, will read your statement as stated therefor you are directly responsible for what you write.

---i have no attachement and taste with killing, i have refused to make the militar service in my country, but the arjuna's killing is devotional service exactly like archana or distributing prasadam, making bhajan and so on. And it is a real killing.. and it is devotional service because it is done for krsna.

 

(--do you know anyone who now in this world is really killing for serving krsna? i do not know.. maybe someone believes it, but belief is not reality)

Such belief spring from misinformation or lack of it.

---so the fault is of the misinformation, not of the principle

 

Krishna never said if you do not fight you will be my apradhi and egoist, but he said you would incur sin for not following your ksatriya duty.

---and what would be that sin if not the one of having not followed the instruction of krsna as spiritual master? not following the spiritual master is a great aparadha and it is egoism, because we follow our ego instead of the will of the guru. But he followed the eternal duty (sanatana dharma) of all living being to serve krsna

[Guest guest]

Raghuramji listen to this

 

"Rig veda is not important in age of Kali...Vyasa compiled Puranas for Shudras...in this age all are Shudras...and Bhagavad Purana is cream of Vedic literature...and Bhagavad Purana says Krishna original person...Supreme Lord...no doubt...HARIBOL!!!"

 

Your HK friend would now like to dump Rig Veda. This is atrocious.

 

 

Atanu

[Guest guest]

i would not like to dump rig veda...

 

we must follow what is meant for our consciousness...

 

we are shudra, therefore we must follow what Vyasa Bhagwan meant for us to follow...Puranas...

[Ganeshprasad]

 

Jai Ganesh

 

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( ---let us say that external actions are not important in absolute.. it is the devotion that there's behind that is important)

 

Our external actions are by which people will judge us.

Devotion to the absolute is most important, and some people express that by being non violent.

 

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(---so it is not possible to desire brahman and simultaneously despise krsna)

 

That is my opinion. I have not read anywhere in Gita Krishna despising brahman worship.

 

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( ---i do not understand the sense of this cathalization.. i know only that spiritual consciousness comes from spirit and not from matter)

 

Consciousness is a symptom of soul; the matter is inert who said consciousness comes from matter?

The soul who is apparently suffering inquires to know why?

 

Four types of virtuous ones worship or seek Me, O Arjuna. They are: the distressed, the seeker of Self-knowledge, the seeker of wealth, and the wise one who knows the Supreme. (7.16)

 

 

 

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(---interference means that i am not in charge then i interfere in a process that has nothing to do with me)

 

You have lost me here.

 

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(---i have no attachement and taste with killing, i have refused to make the militar service in my country, but the arjuna's killing is devotional service exactly like archana or distributing prasadam, making bhajan and so on. And it is a real killing.. and it is devotional service because it is done for krsna.)

 

I am not questioning your non-violent attitude and certainly not questioning Arjuns devotion to Krishna or his actions.

 

Act of killing however justified can not be glorified but must be treated in a somber way. There is also a real danger of people imitating or kill in the name of religion.

 

If I can remember rightly lord Krishna Asked Pandavas to offer prayer to lord Shiva in atonement of Killing after the war. Balaram also was very unhappy with Bhim for killing Duyordhan against the rule of combat

 

 

 

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(---so the fault is of the misinformation, not of the principle)

 

Yes

 

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(---and what would be that sin if not the one of having not followed the instruction of krsna as spiritual master? not following the spiritual master is a great aparadha and it is egoism, because we follow our ego instead of the will of the guru. But he followed the eternal duty (sanatana dharma) of all living being to serve krsna)

 

I have not questioned the instruction of Krishna or the spiritual master.

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

[atanu]

Yes, Maya is eternal. But Maya does not veil equally and the veil is not eternal.

 

 

Self Realization comes from the unveiling. By discriminating temporary from eternal and the real from unreal.

[atanu]

You have stated the following:

 

 

“Krishna also says 'i am supreme person'

 

Brahma says 'Govinda is original person full of truth, bliss and knowledge'

 

I EMPHASISE PERSON, not brahman...”

 

 

Yes. I also emphasise PERSON. I also say that Govinda is Purusha of Rig Veda. But read Gita and know that Purusha (Adhyatama) is a manifestation of the highest imperishable Brahman. And sacrifice of Adhyatama brings forth the beings.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In Chapter VII of Gita: The way to the Supreme Spirit, Lord says:

 

The blessed Lord said: Sloka 3. The highest imperishable principle is Brahman. Its existence as embodied soul is called Adhyatma and the offerings (into sacrificial fire) which causes the development of beings is Adhyagna.

 

 

Later the Lord says: I am that as Adhyajna in this body.

 

 

So, your repeated claim that Param Brahman is effulgence of Krishna is dangerous, false, misleading and a figment of your imagination. Or may be you are confused between Lord Brahma, the creator and Para-Brahman – the un-manifest, un-decaying, un-changing origin of all – The Sarva.

 

You must stop this claim of yours or give Shruti evidence.

[atanu]

Guest said:

 

 

"Rig veda is not important in age of Kali...Vyasa compiled Puranas for Shudras...in this age all are Shudras...”

 

 

 

All are born Shudras but with grades of Karma, Bhakti, and Jnana, Jivas attain different levels. So, Rig Veda cannot become unimportant in a blanket fashion.

 

 

Where is it written that Vyasa compiled Puranas for Shudras? If, it is true, then all bhaktas who abide by Bhagavatam are Shudras and they have no hope of progress.

 

 

If for a moment we accept that Puranas are for Shudras (as you have stated above). Then, do you actually accept that the Vedas are for Brahmanas and Bhagavatam is for Shudras?

 

 

 

 

Then again Guest says

 

“ we would not like to dump rig veda...

 

we must follow what is meant for our consciousness...

 

we are shudra, therefore we must follow what Vyasa Bhagwan meant for us to follow...Puranas...”

 

 

 

 

Prabhuji, Where is this commandment from?

 

“we are shudra, therefore we must follow what Vyasa Bhagwan meant for us to follow...Puranas”

 

[Guest guest]

Our external actions are by which people will judge us.

Devotion to the absolute is most important, and some people express that by being non violent.

--actually most people!!

 

Act of killing however justified can not be glorified but must be treated in a somber way.

--of course.. i did it

 

 

[Guest guest]

"So, your repeated claim that Param Brahman is effulgence of Krishna is dangerous, false"

 

no one said it... param(=supreme) brahman(=spiritual existence) is krishna himself

 

it is brahman that is the effulgence

 

 

"Para-Brahman – the un-manifest, un-decaying, un-changing origin of all – The Sarva."

 

=krishna

 

[Ganeshprasad]

Jai Ganesh

 

 

((Devotion to the absolute is most important, and some people express that by being non violent.))

 

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(--actually most people!!)

 

Shivam.

 

 

((Act of killing however justified can not be glorified but must be treated in a somber way.))

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(--of course.. i did it)

 

that is very much appreciated.

 

brahmati, paramatameti, bhagavan.

sabka malik ek

 

Raghupati Raghav Raja Ram Patitpavan Sita Ram

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

 

Om Namah Bhagavate Shri Ramanayya Namah

 

 

"Para-Brahman – the un-manifest, un-decaying, un-changing origin of all – The Sarva."

 

=krishna"

 

 

Thank you Lord. Sarva = Shiva.

 

 

 

Om Namah Sivayya. Om Namah Bhagavate Vasudevayya Namah

[Guest guest]

Prabhuji, No comment?

 

“we are shudra, therefore we must follow what Vyasa Bhagwan meant for us to follow...Puranas”

 

 

Where is this commandment from?

 

Atanu

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from me.. ok?

 

the religion of this age is the chanting of the lord's name(s), so it is more necessary to get informations on the personal nature of the lord more than his omnipervasive aspect that is understood perfectly as a subproduct of personalist realization

 

so puranas and gita are essential.. rig veda .. not as them