The arrival of khalki

[Girish]

The khalki has seemed to have arrived and infact since 1989, he has formed an institution which today has its own branches and devotees through out the world he seems to be a person who had be born in the supreme conciousness. The organization is going ever strong since. A few events he has predicted is that of the anti-clock wise movement of the earth by 2007 I.E (sun moves from west to east) and the rise of India as the most powerful nation by then and 2012 to be the year of a great revelation!! well has the last avatar arrived after all?!

 

[leyh]

"In the Srimad-Bhagavatam there is a list of the avataras, and there is mention of Lord Buddha's name. This Srimad-Bhagavatam was written five thousand years ago, and it mentions different names for future times. It says that in the future the Lord would appear as Lord Buddha, his mother's name would be Anjana, and he would appear in Gaya. So Buddha appeared twenty-six hundred years ago, and the Srimad-Bhagavatam, which was written five thousand years ago, mentioned that in the future he would appear. Similarly, there is mention of Lord Caitanya, and similarly the last avatara of this Kali-yuga is also mentioned in the Bhagavatam. It is mentioned that the last incarnation in this age is Kalki. He will appear as the son of a brahmana whose name is Visnu-yasa, in a place called Sambhala. There is a place in India with that name, so perhaps it is there that the Lord will appear.(From Science of Self Realization By His Divine Grace A.C Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, Chapter Five, The Appearance of Lord Caitanya)

[Avinash]

The khalki has seemed to have arrived and infact since 1989, he has formed an institution which today has its own branches and devotees through out the world

 

Are you talking about the person who is known by his disciples as "Kalki Bhagwan"?

[abhi_the_great]

Originally posted by Girish:

he seems to be a person who had be born in the supreme conciousness.

I heard he was a postman, before he got that flash of lightning and revelation of knowledge!!

 

 

[Dharma]

Here is an interview with one of the direct disciples of the one know as Sri Kalki Bhagavan, a female who is enlightened as is much of the monastic order of Kalki Bhagavan. She (Acharya Sri Samadarshini) is speaking with an American teacher. There is a global following of over 15 million-like thief in the night he has given enlightenment & transformed states of consciousness to many. There is a statue of Buddha in his garden at Satyaloka Monastery. Most of the Foundation for World Awakening Centers outside of India are in the USA, Argentina, Sweden & Russia.

 

Here is the interview:

Dasaji, who is the founder of Foundation For World Awakening and can you tell us about his background?

 

Ans. Sure. The founders of this Spiritual Institution is Sri Mukteshwar Bhagavan or as his followers would lovingly call him Bhagavan and his spouse Amma. They founded this movement in the year 1989 and then trained a band of his disciples. Today his disciples are 130 in Number and they are called as Dasas.

 

About Bhagavan personally, he was born in the year 1949, March 7, in the state of Tamil Nadu, India. Bhagavan all along his life has been concern about Man, ever since his child hood from 6 yrs of age. All his life his concern has been the Enlightenment of Man and his suffering. Bhagavan knew that this state (Enlightenment) Man couldn’t achieve on his own. Except for a few people who had done very great sadhanas, meaning very great work & meditations in their previous life, the rest of man kind, the ordinary man whom we see today cannot make it on his own. In spite of his reading various books, reading psychology, and different philosophies he knows & whatever meditation he might do. So Bhagavan always felt that this state must be given to Man. And ever since Bhagavan was 6 yrs. old this has been Bhagavan’s Vision & Mission in his life for Man.

 

Finally when he was 40 yrs. old Bhagavan chose to reveal to Man as to who he was. And when he did revealed he did not come physically and say that I am an avatar. The way it happened was suddenly at this Jeevashram Campus, a school founded by Amma & Bhagavan, which today is called Satyalok that the divine phenomenon broke out. Different students began to have divine experiences about Bhagavan where Bhagavan began to manifest with in them. Children who have no inclination towards spirituality what so ever began to have mystical experiences and they could reveal when it came upon them. This phenomenon initially broke through Bhagavan’s own son, Krishna ji. It broke loose there and later it came to the other students. It just happened spontaneously that Bhagavan manifested within Krishna ji and from there Bhagavan moved out to others where children began to move to altered state of consciousness, they used to see divine beings, have thundering revelations about universe, its natures, its laws, and they also had death experiences. These were people who were studying 9 Th, 10 Th grade. Children studying 2 nd or 3 rd grade used to go astrals to their homes and see what their parents were doing and come back. All that they would do is to sit in front of him & feel the connectedness with them and say I want to see my parents. Even as they would ask it happen to them.

This is how the phenomenon broke loose and then Bhagavan with drew it and started giving steadily & gradually in a more organized way to the Humanity because Bhagavan felt that the society was not yet ready for it. This is when we began to conduct the spiritual retreats where these experiences were given to people. A thorough cleansing was done to them before it was given to the parents, elders, etc. of the children.

 

Then the phenomenon took another leap where as far as I remember the first thing that happened was Bhagavan has healed a Mongoloid child, who had problem with his genes and was mentally retarded and he couldn’t do any thing. The mother of the child was very sad and approached Bhagavan and asked for his Grace and Bhagavan told it would be all right. Then she went back and asked for his grace and she healed the child and with her hands and the child was healed. And then from her house the phenomenon started where from His Living picture honey, Milk, water began to flow. Once it began in one house,* it started happening in thousands of houses. Today it has become at ordinary phenomenon in ordinary houses and people report saying- Bhagavan came to my house, he gave honey in mine, He came out of my picture, and Amma is cooking in my house. Today Amma & Bhagavan has begun to manifest physically in people’s houses. At that time people began to call Him Bhagavan. Till today he never claimed that he is Bhagavan it is people who call him that. Bhagavan in India means an AVATAR. It means- A Being who descended from the higher loka to transform the Consciousness

 

 

Q2. To understand His teaching can you explain briefly the main purpose of the teachings and the Aim of this Institution that you said was Enlightenment? Can you get to that area in detail?

 

Ans. How would you like the details to be?

 

 

Q3. Like you mentioned that His Mission is to Enlighten Man, so how is he preceding his teachings in a certain order to the public to get them to that state? Because it is such a difficult state they say and not an easy state as you said only few people has made it. But you are saying that he can do some thing that no Avatar has done it before. Are you saying that?

 

Ans. Yes. This Institution called Foundation for World Awakening as know in the west and Bhagavad Dharma as known in India has got two sides to it.

On one side it is the Empirical side where there are teachings. It is Insight and understanding oriented. It is where the teachings of Bhagavan would liberate Man from the clutches of His Mind.

The second part is mystical and revelatory. This part of the Dharma has got nothing to do with understanding & Intelligence. It has to do basically with your heart. It is basically where the individual or seeker who is seeking for Enlightenment is sitting in front of Bhagavan and tunes his Consciousness with Bhagavan’s Consciousness and then the whole phenomenon begins to happen to him.

 

The first thing that happens to him is that Bhagavan awakens within Him as the Inner Dweller or Antaryamin, as the higher sacred Self, the divine within him. Once the Antaryamin is activated in any form within you, the form of Bhagavan, Jesus, Mary, Divine Light, Silence, or any form, then the Journey begins and the process of cleansing that occurs, the cleansing of the negative effects (Samskaras) of your past lives, from the conception, during your mother’s womb, during your birth, through this life and this process it is not some thing that is only psychological, but also mystical, emotional and finally it is biological. Bhagavan comes into them and does some thing to their physical body though nothing happens to them outside, but then he performs some thing psychically and it affects your DNA and suddenly you realize that you are in an altered state of Consciousness. The functioning of your Mind is different. It is silent and listening to the sound of the bird. You do not know the meaning of suffering one fine morning. The whole thing could take place within 7 minutes, 7 days or 7 months but then you suddenly land into the state and you know it has not happened through your effort. It is a happening to you. It is a gift that is given to you.

 

In Bhagavan Dharma whatever approach we take, we might approach to begin with the problem of the person in the mundane world. For Instance, some one is having financial crises. We might take a spiritual approach and with Bhagavan’s Grace we solve the problem. Or we might approach a person with relation ship problems, may be with spouse, child, friend, etc. Or a person a bugged with certain fundamental questions about life, nature & structure of the Universe, we approach those. All of these we approach with a single intent of Enlightenment and altering the human Consciousness. That basically is Bhagavad Dharma’s approach and this is the way Bhagavad Dharma precedes.

 

 

Q4. In India, in this spiritual Institution what do you call these teachings or your programs?

 

Ans. In India we call them yagnas. There are different kinds of Yagnas we do for different purposes.

1. We do some yagnas for the old, sick and those who are about to die. They actually have an experience of death even before they are dead. It is basically they know what is going to happen as they die & even after they death. Here the process of dying is revealed to them mystically and they are also taught about the easiest way to pass away, the beautiful way to die, and the way to breathe & hold their consciousness and how beautiful would it be so beautiful to die. This we call Moksha Yagna. It is where the cycle of birth and death come to an end, where you do not come back again, you go to the higher worlds (lokas).

2. We also do yagnas for the youth. Most of the youth are caught up in tremendous suffering, dissatisfaction in life and do not know what to do and make of their life. In this dissatisfaction almost across the globe you see youth going berserk, taking drugs, running across the world trying to seek some happiness that always seem to be so illusive and not able to get up. We conduct Retreats for the youth. In these retreats most of them transcend their psychological suffering, spiritual suffering & discover a greater purpose to life. They become also successful and achieve things in life.

3. We also have retreats at the first level basically for people who are seeking for solutions for their sufferings. People who want their problems to be solved that are not able to tolerate in their lives and it is throwing on to them. We work on their internal transformation, which would eventually result in outward transformation.

 

The word “YAGNA” means- a sacrifice; To the Ancient Man the whole universe was nothing but a sacrifice. That is you give some thing and some thing will come out of it. For instance, you take food, it dies within you, and it burns in the fire of digestion and gives you energy, the life energy. The Ancient Man knew that the whole Universe is the process of- “You give some thing and you get back some thing”. Life leading to death and death to life.

A Yagna is a place where you sacrifice some thing and here the sacrifice is “Your effort & passion to transform your self”. These are spiritual sacrifices that people do in these yagnas or Spiritual offerings. This is how we address in India.

 

 

Q5. What is exactly Enlightenment in your teachings? Can you give more details about this?

 

Ans. Enlightenment in Bhagavad Dharma is spoken at 3 levels.

 

At first level it is experiencing reality as it is. That is where the Mind doesn’t interfere with your experience. Today we know today what is happening within us. You are looking at the world; you are actually not looking at it. What is happening within you is a lot ceaseless chatter going on. Continuous talk, interference from the past, day dreaming about the future; Very rarely are you looking at the birds as it is, looking at the face of the child as it is. People do not experience reality as it is. So at the first stage, Enlightenment is where the interference of the mind stops and the senses are alive.

 

At the second stage Enlightenment is feeling a tremendous sense of connectedness with the world around you. You feel connectedness with the plant, with the human being in front of you, with the animal, with the mat on which you are sitting, to the sky, you feel connected to every thing around you. You don’t feel that you are alone and don’t feel the sense of separate existence, which basically is the curse of man.

 

At the third stage Enlightenment is where you experience oneness with the universe. It is no more a sense of connectedness instead you experience a complete union with the universe. You experience Cosmic Consciousness. This is what the Ancient sears would call it Aham Bramhasmin. That is I am this whole process called the Universe.

 

In Bhagavad Dharma, Bhagavan gives people these different kinds of states and these states that the people land into is not because of a psychological gimmick that they do with them selves, not a game that they play with their mind, not another kind of perception that they would have with which they view the world. It has no effort but just has to happen to them. And this happening Bhagavan says can take place only when some thing fundamentally different happens to you in your brain cells.

 

Now we know that there are 2 hemispheres in the brain, left & the right. Not all people are mystical. If some body has to be a mystic, then a different kind of electricity has to flow in his brain cells in a particular pattern. Only such of these people have mystical experiences and not others. Now Bhagavan says when he performs a psychic surgery to you and do some thing to you psychically, electrical impulses are sent into a certain small part in your left hemisphere of the brain and when these electric currents go to that part of the brain then naturally the way you experience reality would be different. That is how it has happened to all the previous sages and saints and mystics of the past, though some people were unaware of it. Now Bhagavan is making it happen to any body that is serious and seeking for it. And before this they are taken through a process and finally when their consciousness gets connected to Bhagavan’s consciousness then this is what happens to people. This is how all people land into this state.

 

Q6. In what respect will it do for me in my life. How does Enlightenment help in my day-to-day living? Why must one be enlightened? People have talked about Enlightenment of Buddha and other great masters of the world? Why do it for mankind?

 

Ans. Well, Enlightenment as Bhagavan gives it to Man, is not just for you. It is for you and through you for the rest of the world. And why at all do we need this state itself, Cannot man go on living in the state, which he has been living for hundreds and thousands of years.

 

The first thing that will happen to you the moment you are Enlightened is you’ll have to search in dictionary for the meaning of the word suffering.

 

The second thing that will happen to you is a tremendous flowering of the heart where you’ll begin to discover love and it is for this love that most of us are aching in life. Today all human beings basically are trying to live for them selves and there fore it has become a world where I live for my self and you live for yourself and finally no body is there to care for each other. It has become a love less world, a desert.

If this situation has to change, Bhagavan says cultivated love is virtues ones, but it some thing that has to happen to you. You can’t pump love into your heart.

So the second most beautiful miracle that will happen to you in your life is this discovery of love & compassion in your own life.

 

For a person who is Enlightened he has no suffering in his life, therefore he also does not create suffering for the rest of the world. In his life the psychological & spiritual suffering ceases forever. And also such those physical problems that are arising in our day-to-day life, which are basically arising because of our wrong thinking patterns, the way our mind is structured, and the negative merits that we are acquiring through our thought, word and deed, all these would come to an end in the life of a person who is enlightened.

 

If you look at the world you find that happy person gives happiness to others and such of those people who are constantly mad at others, hurt others, curse others are the ones who are themselves suffering within.

 

No happy person can give unhappiness to another and No unhappy person can give happiness to another and Love is not something that can take side in an unhappy person.

 

By your Enlightenment you are saving society from there. A human being who is suffering is a danger to the world he is living in. So when you are Enlightened not only have you acquired a state of bliss & joy but you are also helping the rest of the mankind live in peace. That is the first thing you’ll have to do. A person who is enlightened would naturally know how to develop his child, would naturally know how to help his friend who is in crises, how to share his life with his spouse. These are things that would naturally come to him. An Enlightened person in a house, his consciousness would be affecting his family, office colleagues, work place, town, city, and it is the greatest bliss that can happen to any body, to have an enlightened being in ones place and that the foundation is giving to mankind. I think any body should run for it now.

 

Q7. Ok but the foundation work is to awaken the whole world. Is your main purpose to have the whole world Enlightened?

 

Ans. obviously yes it is. It is history. Man in his natural state in Enlightened. That is how he is supposed to be and that’s how they are made and that is why our left cerebral cortex that part of the brain has space where by we can get in touch with the Cosmic Consciousness. But then owing to certain factors man has lost that state. Bhagavan is trying to give back that state to man, this state of Enlightenment to all of humanity.

 

These factors are- in this Cosmos there are several planets & planes where there is life and life is beautiful. Only in very few places things are going wrong as it is going wrong with the earth. To put it short and in a way to understand, the earth is moving in its axis and there is a star called Mulam. From this star there is cosmic radiations emanating and it falls on the earth. When ever that happens the DNA of the man functions differently and man naturally is in a different state. His senses and mind functions differently, and the mystical dimension opens up. Whenever this cosmic radiations are not received by the earth because of its revolution and the axis in which it is moving, then man’s consciousness becomes dull, the mystical dimension closes, he becomes more a physical human being. Right now at this point of time the earth is receiving the radiations from this star Mulam. The Cosmic energy is flowing on to this planet. And at this time to make this enlightenment happen to man Bhagavan has come down, to make this process happen to man so that man again shouldn’t miss this opportunity. Bhagavan has come to alter the DNA of man and that is what we are doing here.

 

Q8. Dasaji what is the plan for the global Enlightenment of mankind, its reason and purpose?

 

Ans. People sometimes ask me- can the whole world participate in these retreats and the whole world go through this process and how long would it take.

The answer to this question would be- we do not want the whole world to be here. Bhagavan says that if 60,000 people from across the globe came and participate in the process of Mukthi Yagna, went through this whole process of cleansing and if they did their meditations, on them the Monks (dasas) of satyaloka work on them psychically & mystically and they entered into a state of Enlightenment then Bhagavan says for the rest of the mankind it is automatic. It is only this small percentage that we want. If 60,000 people are going to become enlightened then for the rest of mankind it is automatic.

 

We, the Foundation For World Awakening are here to awaken this 60,000 people. Then one fine day some body would get up and he is enlightened and a person in Africa gets up in the morning enlightened. In New York some body getting down the bus would be enlightened. That is how it is going to happen after we cross the number 60,000. Then these 60,000 people who got this state as they touch they can transfer the state to others, as they look they can transfer the state to others. Actually the state of Enlightenment, which is the natural state of man, when a child is born he is enlightened. Its mind is not chattering. It doesn’t know to suffer. Some where around age 2- 21/2 yrs. the self is born, this feeling of separate existence and then begins suffering at of human being. According to the plan of Cosmic Consciousness or nature as you call, man is supposed to loose the sense of separate existence by the time he is 18- 21 yrs old. By the time he is 21 every human being is supposed to be enlightened. That’s why the moment you are 15 and 16, a tremendous spiritual dissatisfaction begins, a dissatisfaction that has no cause. You are trying to satisfy yourself and it doesn’t seem to fill your heart. You always seem to feel that some thing is lacking and some thing that needs to be done. This is how it had to be. Now Bhagavan by the power of his consciousness and by himself going very deep into human Consciousness is making this happen in this Mukthi Yagna where people are getting in to this state naturally and the moment we cross the number 60,000, its done.

 

From India we are expecting 30,000 people to go into this state because in India there are already thousands of people who are acing for this state. In fact we prepared them sufficiently for past 5 years for this state and in this land enlightenment is some thing that has been there. The sages and saints have tilled this land across thousands of years for Enlightenment and from the rest of the world we are expecting another 30,000 people. We know that there are people across the globe who are seeking for this, who want to end their own suffering as also end man’s suffering. We want these sincere & serious people for the Yagna.

 

Also right now in these Mukthi Yagnas we are training people from different countries & continents who will get back to their nations and Bhagavan gives these enlightened people some special powers so that they get back and help their people. They search for sincere spiritual seekers and prepare them sufficiently before they can come here to India for their final Enlightenment. That is the plan right now.

 

Q9. Is there a schedule for these 60,000 to attain enlightenment and how many did Bhagavan help get ready and how many got enlightened in India and around the world?

 

Ans. I have not been in touch with the rest of the world as I have been basically working in India. I know there are few South Americans who are enlightened already. In India we have conducted six retreats so far in the past 3 months. Each of these retreats had about 150 people. As I know till date there are about 250 people who made it into this state, the others are having this enlightened state on and off coming and going and few others are clearly walking on the path. Very few people who have not made it and not had the taste of that state also because these are those people who are not really keen on enlightenment as they are caught up in their problems. Any body that is serious will either have an immediate taste of the state or would land into that state.

 

In India right now, in just 3 south Indian states there are about 8500 people as on date waiting for it and more seekers are continuously coming in. We are having hard time selecting them. Every time the dasa of the place has to tell the people because right now we do not have the facility to take that amount of people. We can right now only accommodate 150 per month. Very soon we will be having it because we are in the process of expanding.

 

Q10. Is there a time as how long are these mukthi Yagnas and how often are they for different people in the world. Is there a schedule?

 

Ans. Definitely. These Mukthi Yagnas lasts any where between 11-15 days. During these days of very intense spiritual retreat people are asked to maintain silence. They go through an austere process of living. The retreat is divided into 2 parts. One part is called Samskara Shuddhi. A Samskara or Vasana means- for instance, if you took a piece of sandalwood and you keep it in a box. Even after removing the sandalwood for the box, for several days the fragrance remains in the box. So the event is over but the effect of it still remains.

Samskara Shuddhi is that mystical process where the person is thoroughly cleansed of all the negative impressions that are there within him in his life.

He is also cleansed of certain kinds of karma that are hindrance to his enlightenment.

Then there is an intense period of meditation and then there is a time where he goes into the sutras or the essential teachings of Bhagavan where people begin to get tremendous insights.

We have these retreats monthly for the Indians and for the rest of the world we have like every year retreats for people from one particular location. People come from North America, South America, Russia, Sweden, and other countries too.

We are also planning soon to do individual work on the people who do not come during the mass retreats but are seekers that are selected and sent.

There are the dasas who will work on them and take them through certain process and finally Bhagavan gives them this state of enlightenment. So do individually and in mass also.

 

Q11. So now since it is required only for 60,000 people to be here, what is the criteria or attitude necessary for the seekers to participate?

 

Ans. Basically we do not want to have any non-serious people to be here. We would like to have all those people that are serious about their enlightenment and their enlightenment for helping man. Any body who is open to his fellow human beings suffering, any body who can see the way the world is going to and any body who is even little sensitive in their heart and any body who ask the question- what do I do for man, how can I help him. Any body that is serious about this, any body that wants to help the world by helping himself is welcome to the retreat here. That is the first and most important pre-requisite before any body come down here and go through this process.

 

Q12. Now we are all working for this to happen but what would happen if we all remain like this and this enlightenment doesn’t happen?

 

Ans. My first experience is that when I conducted my first mukthi yagna enlightenment happened to 30 people and the next yagna that I conducted it happened to 35 people. We made a dint in human Consciousness that every person that makes it, it would be easier and easier for man. I hope that the possibility does not arise, but if mankind does not make it, it’s going to be terrible.

 

We are not here prophesying the doomsday but what is in stored for man is evident. The way man’s thoughts & emotions are structured today; we must know man and nature are one organism and not two separate entities. The ruthlessness, selfishness & brutality we have within us, the amount of violence that is there in our every day life, all this is effected in the nature around us and very soon if man would go the way he is going, the tension he is building up because of the speed, competition and the struggle for survival, we seem to be moving towards inner death if we are not yet already. And if this is what is going to happen then we are going to have severe natural calamities. Mankind is going to have lot of diseases invaded because if the disease is inside that is going to manifest outside. Each one of us should only think, pause and look how am I living and we will know how we are going to be a few years from now, a few months from now. The speed at which the world is moving- what is going to happen to man? And lots of people are going to go INSANE. We can already see it happening. Many families we see, at least 2 people are insane or those who are managing to be sane. They are struggling to keep up their sanity. The world is moving towards disaster. If the pollution is going to increase because the kind of civilization we are in is the product of our mind and greed, then thousands are going to die out of lung diseases.

 

A large section of human population is going to be wiped out. That is what is in stored for man. It is not that the earth is going to become a dead planet and human race is going to be wiped out, no, but then lots and lots of people are going to die and those who are going to be left behind are going to be living is a huge graveyard and it is not a pleasant experience. Its time that one becomes serious about life, serious about ourselves, serious about our fellow human beings, serious about suffering around us. We got the gift of thinking, feeling, we can’t be dreaming and selfish any more. We have to buckle up. I hope & pray that we can come across 60,000 serious people. I now that they are definitely there. If this is not going to happen by the time it is 2010 then we are in for a crises. Mother earth is going to revolve. She is not going to take it on any more. The house is burning already we can’t wait any more. Today in India we can see, there is drought and to such places one of our enlightened dasas go, sit down and go into a deep state of love & compassion then it rains. Earth is aching and seeking for enlightened people. That’s what has to happen now.

 

If all goes well and 60,000 people are enlightened then we make it. We also have got certain energy spots where we are going to build our Golden City. This is the spot where the magnetic grid lines are working differently. The Vaastu of an ancient science of geo bio energy is tremendous in the spot. And it is here that Bhagavan has impregnated his Consciousness into that land.

 

All that we need is 60,000 people becoming enlightened and 5000 people in their enlightened state living in this place and meditating for mankind. It is not that these 5000 people have to be the same people. If at any given point of time out of 60,000 people for one month 5000 people decided to spend in meditation over there. Then over the next 1000 years of time things will be different. The rest 55,000 who are outside are going to have so much power that is going to flow through them that as they touch, look and go into them selves others will be enlightened. That is what we are aiming for and our plan for the future.

 

If man does become enlightened by 2010, then by the time it is 2024 there is going to be a different technology on this planet. We are going to have enlightened doctors, engineers, officers, peasants, housewives, mothers, children, all living, dreaming, and experiencing love. That is what is stored for man if he is going to be enlightened.

Then 1000 years from now man we are going to see a different species. Man is no more going to be the same. We have had different kinds of species emerging on this planet. We have the Neanderthal man, the Rama pithacaus, the astralo pithacaus and now it is homo sapiens- sapiens. The species that is going to emerge 1000 years later is not going to be humans but a different species. A species that won’t eat food and can draw energy directly from nature, a species that is neither male nor female, a species that would not have this circuit in the brain to suffer, this soft ware called suffering would be destroyed once and for all. It’ll be a species that is living in bliss that can go from this plane into another plane and travel astrally at will. A species that is no more chained & bound by the physical frame. This is the kind of species that is going to emerge 1000 years from now, if only man is enlightened and it is for this purpose Bhagavan is here right now.

 

Q13. If mankind has to be enlightened isn’t it the Golden age or the satya yuga? It is said that we are in the Dark Age or the kali yuga? Can you explain?

 

Ans. How long the Iron Age is going to last and when the golden age begins is determined by the movement of the earth on its orbit. When the star Mulam radiates its complete energy and the earth is at that point where it completely access this cosmic energy then we say it is Satya Yuga. The question is not one of speculation as to when Satya Yuga is going to come, whether it is going to be 1000 of years later, millions of years later.

To put it simple let me tell you this—For instance you go to a doctor and the doctor tells you that your disease is going to be cured within 3 years time. You are very disappointed and sad because you are not sure if you are going to survive and tolerate the pain and live for 3 years. You go to another doctor and he says- Look it is not going to be 3 years, I am going to cure it within 3 months. Are you going to be unhappy about it and tell may be I will rather wait for 3 years? If the doctor were to show it to you that it is indeed possible to cure it in 3 months, then you would say I feel it now.

 

I think at this point of time speculation is a waste of energy. All that we have to do is observe and see what is happening right now. Mankind definitely cannot last for the next 300,000 or 400,000 years with the kinds of minds they got, with the kinds of thoughts they got, and the kind of suffering they got. I think a few years later if mankind would go the way it is going, this planet will be inhabited by mad people who cannot take on the stress, insecurity any more.

 

Bhagavan is today saying that the Golden age is going to be ushered within the next 12 years, Man kind is going to be enlightened and by the time it is 2025 you are going to see a different world, then it is for you to judge & see whether it is golden age or iron age. Speculation is of no use here.

 

Lets go through the process, become enlightened and then see what the world looks like. Regards to the question whether it is the Dark Age or the golden age that’s currently going on, I would say it is the period of twilight where the darkness is fading out and sunlight is streaming in. Now kali Yuga is ending and Satya Yuga is beginning. It will definitely take next 12 years for it to come in and becomes very profound until 2025, and for it to complete it will take 1000 years from now. According to us this is Satya Yuga. The moment Bhagavan began to give this state to man it is Satya Yuga.

 

 

Thank you Dasaji for giving your valuable time and sharing with all of us this wonderful message and your vision & perspective about helping Mankind.

 

Namaste

 

*picture of a miracle at a California home at http://www.skyboom.com/ddasa/index21.html

 

 

[abhi_the_great]

Kalki is predicted for killing the miscreants, establishing dharma, coming on a white horse, having a sword, born in Sambala in a brahmin family and son of Vishnu Yasha. Kalki is expected at the end of Kali Yuga, ie after 400,000 yrs. Can there be a mistake in the calculation of time for all the Indian astrologers together. Astronomy and astrology were highly developed fields in ancient India.

 

Pls tell me if atleast one of this point is matching with the personality mentioned above.

 

I give due respect for his wonderful ability to create nectar from his icon. I give due respects for his interest and determination in spreading the Sanatana Dharma far and wide.

 

Unfortunately, there are ends which do not neatly tie up here. When one does not object of himself being called baghawan, then he shd clearly meet the specifications of that Bhagavan as mentioned in the scriptures. This is clearly lacking.

 

Abhi

 

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[Dharma]

One one level, the name Kalki literally means "The Annihilator of Ignorance". And at another level the sword and the horse are symbolic-the horse symbolizing the swiftness.

And on other levels mukti is death-the death of the petty little self-the root of "selfishness", "self-consciousnessself centeredness" etc.

 

He has been called "Kalki" by the masses because he has given enlightenment to so many. Part of the divine mission of the Sampoorna Avatar is to usher in the Golden Age. This is a state of consciousness as well as an astrological occurence. It is not necessary entirely relating to time as we measure it. It is a shift from belief (ignorance & speculation) to discovery (personal experience). It is what has been revealed to every prophet, saint, sage or mystic.

 

That is what this particular being gives-experience. He has given siddhis to a woman in California-Raniji at the Foundation For World Awakening in San Jose-that through her touch many can experience various states of enlightenment. This is tremendously beneficial, for then passion is born. There is nothing else. You know at least what it is you are seeking and working towards. You know what it is you are chattering about when you use the word "enlightenment" or "mukti". It is not longer a concept for you but a discovery.

 

I met with Sri Kalki Bhagavan for some time the summer of 2000 and he requested that I not call him Kalki. He spoke of world events, the karma of Japan & Africa, earth changes, world economy, US economy, and India.

 

Whether or not he is the Sampoorna Avatar spoke of in the scriptures or not would have to be your own personal discovery. There is nothing absolute in this dependently arising creation. How could anyone say of anyone that "He is" or "He is not"? I only know that I have been greatly helped on all levels as have many of ny friends and loved ones.

 

Never before in the recorded history of man has enlightenment been so available to the masses. He has given this blessing to many and in that sense "The Annihilator of Ignorance " does apply.

 

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[Dharma]

Following is a birthday message from Sri Kalki Bhagavan:

 

"Humanity is entering the most crucial phase of its existence The coming decade shall witness most unprecendented & umpteen changes in the course of its long evolution. There is nothing much humanity can do about it other than to understand the changes occuring around it and to flow with the changes that are overpowering it. Humanity would enter a new age, the Golden Age and the transition would be a painful process. Other those whose relationships are in order would make it easily. The Golden Age movement is coming into existence to help humanity in making this transition."

 

It is interesting that a part of one of the mahavakyas of Kalki in part reads: At the end of the Golden Age when there shall be no more human consciousness only Divine Consciousness." That can be interpreted a number of ways. Its like a double edged sword as is everything I suppose. In addition the following dates are noted surrounding the birthday message of March 7.

 

Following four days have been identified as very bad ones and all are advised to be extremely careful and not to venture

on anything on these days:

 

1. 4th May

2. 14th May

3. 15th May

4. 4th June

 

The planets are said to be in same allignment during this time as in the time of the Mahabharata.

 

 

 

[abhi_the_great]

Sincere birthday wishes to this saint.

 

I beg forgiveness for the offence of not being able to accept your holiness as bhagavan, but I surely accept you as a respecatble man.

 

Dandavat Pranams

Hare Krishna

Abhi

[shvu]

 

I met with Sri Kalki Bhagavan for some time the summer of 2000 and he requested that I not call him Kalki. He spoke of world events, the karma of Japan & Africa, earth changes, world economy, US economy, and India.

Dharma,

 

I have some questions basedon what I read above. If this above gentleman does not wish to be called as Kalki, how did he become popular by this name? Is this name used in a generic sense or as the predicted avatar of Vishnu? The usage of Bhagavan seems to imply the latter, yet I would like to confirm this.

 

If he is believed to be the predicted avatar, the same sources which predict Kalki also say he is not due for many more years to come. How has this problem been worked out by his believers? Or is it not important to them? I ask this because I have noticed that disciples/followers are *not* very interested in the genuineness (or the lack thereof) of their Guru, while actually the disciples/followers, more than anyone else should be very critical and careful about such things. They seem to get carried away easily.

 

Thanks (No offense)

 

[karthik_v]

Dear Sri Dharma,

 

I would also like to know if SB mentions anywhere that the Supreme Lord will work for an insurance company till the age of 42 before he "becomes" an "avatar". I would very much appreciate any reference. Since there are too many Gods all around, I have become a demanding customer. The last time I went to Madras, I met 2 "avatars", while on 29D (a bus route). One claimed that h(H?)e was a hybrid of Jesus and Mohammad and the other candidly spoke of his brief stint in central jail. I thought it must have been a symbolic stay to show the ignorant about their own incarceration in the world of maya. When I asked him for scriptural references, he wasn't aware of what scriptures I was talking about. May be that was h(H?)is way of showing me that shrutis take precedence over smritis!

[Dharma]

shvuji wrote:

I ask this because I have noticed that disciples/followers are *not* very interested in the genuineness (or the lack thereof) of their Guru, while actually the disciples/followers, more than anyone else should be very critical and careful about such things.

 

I think it is because he offers what others often do not-personal experience rather than chatter. It does not matter so much, after such experience who he is or is not. Like the shloka of the sage who has received such experience (Nabumer natoya nataja navaya)there are no words. It is very difficult to unsee what has been seen.

 

 

[Dharma]

Oh sorry, missed the question about time. It is explained in part by Acharya Sri Samadarshini in above excerpt but here it is again:

 

Ans. How long the Iron Age is going to last and when the golden age begins is determined by the movement of the earth on its orbit. When the star Mulam radiates its complete energy and the earth is at that point where it completely access this cosmic energy then we say it is Satya Yuga. The question is not one of speculation as to when Satya Yuga is going to come, whether it is going to be 1000 of years later, millions of years later.

To put it simple let me tell you this—For instance you go to a doctor and the doctor tells you that your disease is going to be cured within 3 years time. You are very disappointed and sad because you are not sure if you are going to survive and tolerate the pain and live for 3 years. You go to another doctor and he says- Look it is not going to be 3 years, I am going to cure it within 3 months. Are you going to be unhappy about it and tell may be I will rather wait for 3 years? If the doctor were to show it to you that it is indeed possible to cure it in 3 months, then you would say I feel it now.

 

I think at this point of time speculation is a waste of energy. All that we have to do is observe and see what is happening right now. Mankind definitely cannot last for the next 300,000 or 400,000 years with the kinds of minds they got, with the kinds of thoughts they got, and the kind of suffering they got. I think a few years later if mankind would go the way it is going, this planet will be inhabited by mad people who cannot take on the stress, insecurity any more.

 

Bhagavan is today saying that the Golden age is going to be ushered within the next 12 years, Man kind is going to be enlightened and by the time it is 2025 you are going to see a different world, then it is for you to judge & see whether it is golden age or iron age. Speculation is of no use here.

 

Lets go through the process, become enlightened and then see what the world looks like. Regards to the question whether it is the Dark Age or the golden age that’s currently going on, I would say it is the period of twilight where the darkness is fading out and sunlight is streaming in. Now kali Yuga is ending and Satya Yuga is beginning. It will definitely take next 12 years for it to come in and becomes very profound until 2025, and for it to complete it will take 1000 years from now. According to us this is Satya Yuga. The moment Bhagavan began to give this state to man it is Satya Yuga.

 

 

[theist]

Dharma said:Lets go through the process, become enlightened ....

 

Dharma what is that process according to this person you are following, if I may ask.

 

theist

[Dharma]

theist,

That line is not mine but a quote from Acharya Sri Samadarshini a direct disciple of Kalki Bhagavan. It was from an interview that she gave with a new age teacher from Bali.

 

It depends on the seeker. The mukti yajans held at Satyaloka(the abode of Kalki Bhagavan) employ the Octanga Marga or Septanga Marga. Sadhanas, dikshas & maha sutras are used to help thrust the seeker.

 

An ancient pattern of enlightenment occurs as a result-the very early part which is very beautiful yet involves the nightmarish task of confronting oneself. It is realizing one's condition, (Siddhartha made this realization when he realized existence is suffering), embracing that condition, asking for intervention followed by profound, divine mystical experience. This is called the Union of Yoga, the Awakening of the Antayamin, personal experience with Divinity, seeing God-there are many types of this experience. Moses & the thorn bush would be an example. Such experience moves the seeker from the realm of belief to discovery and leads to almost total transformation. It shatters reformation where one is merely practicing concepts or ideals, a slave to belief. It is empiracle that only such mystical experience transforms man. All else is reformation.

 

In this ancient pattern, insight follows leading to mukti. You can see this pattern quite easily in the lives of many enlightened beings as well as in the enlightenment of Buddha and I have seen it underlying-between all the words in books by the Delai Lama.

 

There is alot more, I do not know how much detail you wanted. But this is a brief explaination of some of what is employed at Satyaloka.

 

 

 

[theist]

Thanks Dharma,

 

Iam curious a little further.These vaisnava teachers are speaking of different levels of mukti, all beyond the gross and subtle planes.As well as having different personal loving relationships with the Personality of Godhead post mukti.

 

What does your teacher say about the ultimate goal?Is individuality retained or not?etc.

 

theist

[Dharma]

theist,

Kalki Bhagavan gives the various experiences of enlightenment for some early in the journey, usually at the mukti yajnas. This is quite logical. Otherwise it is alot like sending someone out in search of a ruby with no picture or sample-just a description. All manner of shiney objects could be sought or interpreted as rubies.

 

There are different experiences of enlightenment. There are definate biological reasons why they occur. But briefly it has to do with kundalini and point of awareness chakra meeting. In the anahata chakra there is the experience of enlightenment where one sees god in everything. It is like this. There is grass in the garden and you kiss the grass because there is grass in the garden. There is the experience that God and man are opposite ends of the same spectrum and dependently arising. It is a beautiful state-pure bliss. Total freedom and acceptance.

 

At the next level at Swadistana there is the experience most typical to Taoism. There is no judgement. There is the realization that your thoughts are not your thoughts. You see in essense that ideas make use of you. You can see the thoughts. Which comes first, the thought or the thinker.

 

Following is the state that some would consider common to Buddhism. It is like the Toaist state with the realization of the dependently arising nature of the Universe. One thing aries from the next. Nothing is or is not. It is so beautiful. It is not the highest state but it is an appeasement of obsession. You start to lose the sense of separate existence as you see the Universe in all that you see. It is a state of passive witnessing as there is no judgement at all. Just to see. There is great freedom in seeing.

 

Next on the spectrum as Sahaswara is the "Thou art that." you become what you see. There is no sense of separate existence whatsoever.

 

There are levels beyond that where you pretty much disappear. Some terrible some beautiful.

 

I guess the answer to your quaetion of individuality is it depends on what state of enlightenment you are speaking of. There are many as there are many paths.

 

Kalki Bhagavan rarely speaks. He gives experience so that one knows what he or she is speaking first hand. The philosophy is if it is not your experience which you re speaking, but that of another it is untruth. Great emphasis is on personal discovery.

 

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[theist]

Hi Dharma,

 

You said:I guess the answer to your quaetion of individuality is it depends on what state of enlightenment you are speaking of. There are many as there are many paths.

 

I had asked about the ultimate goal.From the general sense of the progression that you described it seems that you are being taught that you are not eternal as an individual in the final perfected state,that oneness means total absorbtion.

 

Have you investigated Caitanya Mahaprabhu's teaching of inconceivable oneness and difference as the complete revelation?

 

Does anyone know if there is a Teaching of Lord Caitanya available on line?

 

theist

 

 

 

[Dharma]

I do not know that there is necessarily an "Ultimate State." Nor would I say there is not one either. I only know what I perceive at this time from various experiences I have been given by Kalki Bhagavan to be the "Ultimate State" for me.

 

It like truth is dependently arising (relative). On some level all truth is untruth. What some would consider an "Ultimate State" might be quite horrible to others and of little use to anyone at all. There are plenty of enlightened beings in an "Ultimate State" in the back alleys of temples eating elephant dung. This is of little use to mankind on the whole. Siddhartha did not attain an "Ultimate State" while living. How else could he have worked for the enlightenment of mankind?

 

Keep in mind when Kalki Bhagavan gives dikshas for these states for quite some time they come and go much like emotions as the kundalini and awareness fluctuates. You may get flashes for some time of being one with the Universe, then for some time you will be in a state of just seeing-no judgement at all. It depends on many variables, the sadhanas you are doing, the food you have or have not eaten, the planets, the sun, the moon, the rocks, the weather, the thoughts of those around you, what is going on in Tokyo or Argentina for example. It is just like thoughts-you cannot really control them as they are so variable on many of these factors and others.

 

I do not think that perhaps I am conveying that there are no real teachings offered by Kalki Bhagavan. What the world does not need is more teaching or another religion. More reformation & things to practice. What is offered is experience. It is a dharma geared to those seeking to experience what has been discovered by every prophet, sage, saint, or mystic. For those seeking personal discovery or experience rather than knowledge or teaching. It is not, however, for the faint hearted.

 

No, I am not familiar with those teachings you mentioned.

[ajit]

 

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[gHari]

He's not God! I am.

 

When you put your hand in a flame, it hurts. But that suffering is good, since if you didn't feel pain you would leave the hand in the flame until it had burned to ashes, absolutely useless to you (and Me).

 

That is why I make you suffer, you little rascal. Just think how messed up you'd be now, if I hadn't given you a kick in the butt almost daily. Rascals require even more butt-kicking. Become my friend, Ajit, and then I can give you positive reinforcement for good behaviour, for a change. I do grow tired of playing the heavy all time with you.<font color="#dedfdf">

 

 

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[bhaktajoy]

Ajit my friend please visit www.near-death.com and read some very profound near death experiences.Under "Various Nde's" you will find atheist ones.

[bhaktajoy]

LIFE COMES FROM LIFE

 

 

 

 

RABBI: There is a great controversy between the religionists and the scientists regarding the source of life. According to the entire first two chapters of Genesis of the Torah, God created everything, including all forms of plants, fish, mammals, birds, insects and human beings. There is no mention of any of the species of life arising from an inorganic source. The materialistic scientists' theories only give reasons for man to look away from God. They try to prove that life came from an inorganic source, which would imply that there is no God. The similarly inclined speculative philosophers then attempt to create philosophies to justify materialistic man's ultimate hope - for a life of unrestricted sense enjoyment without any accountability. If there were no God, then we would ultimately be unaccountable to anyone for our actions.

DEVOTEE: Yes, this is our material disease, to want to act like there is no God or that we are God. In the Bhagavad-gita, Lord Krsna says, "I am the source of all spiritual and material worlds. Everything emanates from Me. The wise who perfectly know this engage in My devotional service and worship Me with all their hearts." [bg. 10.8] Without understanding that God is the source or the fountainhead of everything two problems are created. First, we will justify our desire to be the center of existence - as both the enjoyers and controllers. Second, if we do not accept the existence of God, we will not be able to engage in loving transcendental service to the Lord. Both are artificial positions that will not bring us any true satisfaction or happiness, regardless of our success at material enjoyment. That is, the highest material enjoyment will not truly satisfy the soul. Certainly, our conviction that God is the source of creation is an essential building block for a spiritually progressive and happy human society.

RABBI: Even with millions of people believing in principle that God is the source of everything, the world continues to become more materialistic. The more materialistic and atheistic it becomes, the more people will suffer. So it is of utmost importance that we become convinced that God is the source of everything and that we each have a perfect, transcendental, loving relationship with Him.

Closely related to the discussion of the original source of life is whether all species of life were existing since the beginning of God's creation or if they developed over time such as in the Darwinian theory. Again, in the first two chapters of Genesis it is clearly stated that God created all the species of life. Additionally, it is not logical that so many complex changes could take place totally based on chance.

DEVOTEE: I totally agree. It is said that not a blade of grass blows in the wind without the sanction of the Lord. There is nothing in the Lord's creation that happens by chance. If the sun deviated even slightly from it's path, the whole earth would either burn up or freeze. In either case, life as we know it would be destroyed on earth. Yet, for countless millions of years the sun has not gone off it's path.

There is a kind of evolution however, but it is far removed from the atheistic Darwinian theory. This evolution is one of increasing consciousness, as the soul transmigrates from one species of life to another. The Vedas describe that there are innumerable species of life in the universe of which only a relatively small number are human beings. Only in the human form of life can a soul perfect himself through devotional service. To take a human birth is the greatest fortune and we should fully utilize this golden opportunity to cultivate devotion to God. If we misuse our human birth, dedicating our time and energy to gratifying our senses without interest in God, we will loose our human existence and again take birth in the lower species of life.

 

 

 

[bhaktajoy]

On April 30, 1976, Sandra Rogers put a gun to her heart and shot herself. Instead of the nothingness she sought from suicide, she had endured a near-death experience. A brilliant and loving Light, she identified as Christ, presented a review of her entire life and all the events that brought her to the point of her suicide attempt. This Light gave her access to unlimited knowledge. She was told that she could remain in the Light, provided she later is reincarnated to reexperience and overcome all that brought her to the point of suicide. Or she could be revived to live out rest of her life and overcome her problems here and now. Obviously, she chose not to stay in the Light so that she could resume her life and not have to face the same problems in a future life. She was allowed to take only as much knowledge as she needed to sustain her, and was told she would be given insights along the way as she finished out the rest of her life. When she asked why she could not take all the knowledge back with her, she was told that it would result in her appearing and being considered "abnormal" to the rest of society. She then realized that people such as the mentally retarded are special people who know much more than they are able to express. The following are more of the insights from her near-death experience from her book Lessons From The Light reprinted by permission.

Listen to that small inner voice in your thoughts; it is the voice of God.

 

Our soul is a part of God and God is a part of us; therefore, our souls are immortal and eternal.

 

Hardships are necessary for the growth of our soul.

 

Those born with mental or physical afflictions are more spiritually advanced than others, born to help others evolve spiritually.

 

The physical body the spirit enters is chosen prior to birth.

 

If an addiction isn't conquered before your physical death, it could keep your spirit earthbound.

 

Earth is only one plane of learning; there are many.

 

Hell is a state of being we create by being away from God until we choose to return to Him. It is a state totally devoid of love.

 

All you do and think is known to God, and God understands everything perfectly, and loves everyone just the same.

 

All pain we feel or cause is felt by God.

 

In order to become one with God, work must be done to remember or find the truth. The truth is this: your true self is a spirit and your spirit is one with God.

 

Love, being God, is too immense and profound to ever be fully understood or experienced in the physical world.

 

The universe is God's cathedral.

 

God created differences in religion because of the different lessons we all need to learn.

 

When you do unto others, you do unto God and yourself.

 

The beginning of all sin is seeing self as separate from others and God.

 

There are only two "true" religions - the religion of love and the religion of fear.

 

Communication in the spiritual world is telepathic. Your thoughts are answered as rapidly as your mind can send and receive them.

 

When you die, everything you have said, thought, or done will be known by all.

 

There are no secrets in the afterlife.

 

Spirits with evil thoughts avoid the Light because they are too ashamed to have their life revealed.

 

Spirits with like thoughts are drawn to each other in the afterlife.

 

God's paradise for us is Love. We can create paradise again if we learn to love one another as ourselves.

 

There is one God who is worshipped through many different teachings of many different religious faiths.

 

The gods of one faith are the angels, saints, or supernatural beings of other faiths.

 

In the search for truth and understanding, all paths lead to Love.

 

God is Love, Light, and the energy in all. God is the source of perfect Love and all life.

 

God loves and forgives you, and expects you to love and forgive others.

 

The only thing that lives forever is Love.

 

 

[bhaktajoy]

Only by God's grace do we get human form of life.We already have his grace.We should be happy.Why do we lament then?Even great personalities like Lord Jesus suffered.Life is hard,it is supposed to be.We can't blame God,it's our own undertaking,our karma,our past actions and desires.

 

From SB

 

The pure soul is pure consciousness and is never out of consciousness, either due to circumstances, time, situations, dreams or other causes. How then does he become engaged in nescience?

 

The Lord, as the Supersoul, is situated in every living being's heart. Why then do the living entities' activities result in misfortune and misery?

 

O great and learned one, my mind is greatly illusioned by the distress of this nescience, and I therefore request you to clear it up.

 

Sri Sukadeva Gosvami said: O King, Maitreya, being thus agitated by the inquisitive Vidura, at first seemed astonished, but then he replied to him without hesitation, since he was fully God conscious.

 

Sri Maitreya said: Certain conditioned souls put forward the theory that the Supreme Brahman, or the Personality of Godhead, is overcome by illusion, or maya, and at the same time they maintain that He is unconditioned. This is against all logic.

 

The living entity is in distress regarding his self-identity. He has no factual background, like a man who dreams that he sees his head cut off.

 

As the moon reflected on water appears to the seer to tremble due to being associated with the quality of the water, so the self associated with matter appears to be qualified as matter.

 

But that misconception of self-identity can be diminished gradually by the mercy of the Personality of Godhead, Vasudeva, through the process of devotional service to the Lord in the mode of detachment.

 

When the senses are satisfied in the seer-Supersoul, the Personality of Godhead, and merge in Him, all miseries are completely vanquished, as after a sound sleep.

 

Simply by chanting and hearing of the transcendental name, form, etc., of the Personality of Godhead, Sri Krsna, one can achieve the cessation of unlimited miserable conditions. Therefore what to speak of those who have attained attraction for serving the flavor of the dust of the Lord's lotus feet?

 

Vidura said: O powerful sage, my lord, all my doubts about the Supreme Personality of Godhead and the living entities have now been removed by your convincing words. My mind is now perfectly entering into them.

 

O learned sage, your explanations are very good, as they should be. Disturbances to the conditioned soul have no other basis than the movement of the external energy of the Lord.

 

Both the lowest of fools and he who is transcendental to all intelligence enjoy happiness, whereas persons between them suffer the material pangs.

 

PURPORT

 

 

The lowest of fools do not understand material miseries; they pass their lives merrily and do not inquire into the miseries of life. Such persons are almost on the level of the animals, who, although in the eyes of superiors are always miserable in life, are unaware of material distresses. A hog's life is degraded in its standard of happiness, which entails living in a filthy place, engaging in sex enjoyment at every opportune moment, and laboring hard in a struggle for existence, but this is unknown to the hog. Similarly, human beings who are unaware of the miseries of material existence and are happy in sex life and hard labor are the lowest of fools. Yet because they have no sense of miseries, they supposedly enjoy so-called happiness. The other class of men, those who are liberated and are situated in the transcendental position above intelligence, are really happy and are called paramahamsas. But persons who are neither like hogs and dogs nor on the level of the paramahamsas feel the material pangs, and for them inquiry about the Supreme Truth is necessary. The Vedanta-sutra states, athato brahma jijnasa: "Now one should inquire about Brahman." This inquiry is necessary for those who are between the paramahamsas and the fools who have forgotten the question of self-realization in the midst of life in sense gratification.

 

But, my dear sir, I am obliged to you because now I can understand that this material manifestation is without substance, although it appears real. I am confident that by serving your feet it will be possible for me to give up the false idea.

 

PURPORT

 

 

The sufferings of the conditioned soul are superficial and have no intrinsic value, like the cutting off of one's head in a dream. Yet although this statement is theoretically very true, it is very difficult for the common man or the neophyte on the transcendental path to realize practically. However, by serving the feet of great transcendentalists like Maitreya Muni and by constantly associating with them, one is enabled to give up the false idea that the soul suffers from material pangs.

 

TRANSLATION

 

 

By serving the feet of the spiritual master, one is enabled to develop transcendental ecstasy in the service of the Personality of Godhead, who is the unchangeable enemy of the Madhu demon and whose service vanquishes one's material distresses.

 

 

PURPORT

 

 

The association of a bona fide spiritual master like the sage Maitreya can be of absolute help in achieving transcendental attachment for the direct service of the Lord. The Lord is the enemy of the Madhu demon, or in other words He is the enemy of the suffering of His pure devotee. The word rati-rasah is significant in this verse. Service to the Lord is rendered in different transcendental mellows (relationships): neutral, active, friendly, parental and nuptial. A living entity in the liberated position of transcendental service to the Lord becomes attracted to one of the above-mentioned mellows, and when one is engaged in transcendental loving service to the Lord, one's service attachment in the material world is automatically vanquished. As stated in Bhagavad-gita (2.59), rasa-varjam raso 'py asya param drstva nivartate.

 

TRANSLATION

 

 

Persons whose austerity is meager can hardly obtain the service of the pure devotees who are progressing on the path back to the kingdom of Godhead, the Vaikunthas. Pure devotees engage one hundred percent in glorifying the Supreme Lord, who is the Lord of the demigods and the controller of all living entities.

 

 

PURPORT

 

 

The path of liberation, as recommended by all authorities, is to serve the mahatma transcendentalists. As far as Bhagavad-gita is concerned, the mahatmas are the pure devotees who are on the path to Vaikuntha, the kingdom of God, and who always chant and hear the glories of the Lord rather than talk of dry, profitless philosophy. This system of association has been recommended since time immemorial, but in this age of quarrel and hypocrisy it is especially recommended by Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Even if one has no assets of favorable austerity, if he nevertheless takes shelter of the mahatmas, who are engaged in chanting and hearing the glories of the Lord, he is sure to make progress on the path back home, back to Godhead.

 

 

 

 

[This message has been edited by bhaktajoy (edited 06-11-2002).]