Guest guest Report post Posted December 27, 2003 Jesus points the way to higher spiritual thought and action. However, it is unlikly that any Christian can interpret the truth of Jesus' teaching solely in the light of Christian dogma. For me, the truth of Jesus' teaching was best understood when I stepped out of the Christian frame of reference and looked at the teaching with a new perspective. There is much to be learned from this teacher Jesus, or was he more than a teacher? I guess that is for each of us to decide for ourselves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 28, 2003 Jai Sri Krishna! Though I am not a Christian, I do know that the original Hebrew translation for the commandment for which you speak is two words, "Don't murder". It is not a question of watering down but correcting a translation error. This is not to say that I dispute the validity of your claims regarding the oft too common practice of altering translations to suit one's own ends, perhaps as a matter of convenience. This is a practice not limited to Christianity. In the end it is unimportant what others think, do, or say-or perhaps I should state that it should not be important to us as individuals what others do, think, or say, as our spiritual journey is a personal one and such controversies only serve to create and widen the gap between everyone and prevent us from facing our own demons. Hari Bol! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 15, 2004 It is clearly mentioned in Bhavishya Purana that Christ was son of God. Where in the Bhavisya Purana is this "clearly mentioned?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
New_Spiritualist 0 Report post Posted January 19, 2004 "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone". Even the Bible says "Walk with the word". (many quotes everywhere). Bottom line, No doubt Jesus was GOD sent and GURU and Righteous. Now, if I could only find someone to be my teacher in Krishna Consciousness... because it is the way to get closer to GOD and Jesus told us how to behave on this world to please HIM and GOD. I can do both because they are the same thing! Revelations and the 7 churches... Doesn't that seem to sanctify the Krisna beliefs? Hare Krishna beliefs and the Bible seem to be 100% in tune... Just my humble observations, I am but a neophyte and do not wish to create problems or arguments as I am still ignorant. Bless all in the name of Jesus and Hare Krsna! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 22, 2004 Why are we wasting time talking about Jesus? What does Jesus have to do with Hinduism? He was a prophet/wise man and God is in all of us. Better to focus on personal beliefs than talking about other religions we don't know much about. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 22, 2004 Please forgive if you think I am wrong in any way, and I may even make a few mistakes here and there. I am not a Christian, and do not ever want to be one. However, I do know that most Christians, if not all, think that Jesus is not God, but the son of God. He claims that he is the only way through which one can attain God, which I solely disagree with. This is information that I have learned in my social studies classes thus far. Forgive me for any mistakes. Jay Shree Krsna In search of true happiness, in search of Lord Sri Krishna I am a christian, and I believe indeed, that Jezus is de son of God. And also, that God have made the world. And for Christians, Jesus is the son of God, and never God himself. And we also believe, that he is the only way to come to the Father (God). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 22, 2004 That is very Black and White. Jesus and God are really other people. Jesus is de one that is sended to this earth, to die for our sins. And the time that Jesus was on earth, God was still in Heaven.. So they are two different people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 24, 2004 "Why are we wasting time talking about Jesus? What does Jesus have to do with Hinduism?" Please be advised that majority on this list are not hindus but still follows the teaching of Lord Krishna and all pure devotess. Established Religions also gets corrupt. All great saints and teachers always come and wakes up our level of consciousness and are always against established religions. Lord Chaitanya and Lord Jesus did this. I am not a hindu and would never want to be, but I am a follower of Sanatam Dharma. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 27, 2004 Regardless, the facts remain. Jesus Is Sankarshana, GOD! My friend, can you kindly explain how Lord Jesus Christ went from being jiva tattva to Lord sankarshana (visnu tattva). I didn't get that part, my apologies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 28, 2004 Hare Krsna! Please accept my humble obeisances! All Glories to Srila Prabhupada and all pure Vaisnava devotees of the Supreme Lord! I remember it being said when living in the Hare Krsna temple, that Lord Jesus was considered Saktyavesa Avatara by Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati. Therefore, Lord Jesus is like Maharaja Prthu or Parasurama. There are some books of the Bible not always know called the "Lost Books of the Bible". I was reading one of these books found in a church library. It relates a story of Jesus in his childhood. During his childhood, according to this book, he saved many from sickness and death, but also killed some people who may have offended him. Discuss these topics at our new public forum with MSN Groups. http://groups.msn.com/LordJesusChrist/lordjesuschrist1.msnw Your servant in Krsna consciousness, Citraketu dasa and Mother Heidi DHARMA http://japa-mala.org Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 6, 2004 Hello, I briefly read a few postings. First, about the "10 Commandments" they are Jewish, not Christian. No gentile nor Christian was ever given the law. G-d only made the covenant with the Israelites. Leviticus 26:46. Second, about "thou shall not kill." The word used there is "ratshakh" meaning "murder.l`harog" means, " to kill." Please do not rely upon Christian translations of Jewish texts. Third, even though I do not believe Jesus was real, I find it hard to believe anyone that has read the Christian texts would think the Jesus character was G-d. Jesus was sent by his G-d, prayed to his G-d, had a separate will than his G-d, was refused prayers by his G-d, spoke to his G-d and his G-d spoke to him, was seen with his G-d, Jesus said he had a G-d, etc, etc, etc. The Christian claim that John 1 implies that Jesus is G-d is not accurate. It comes from a book by Philo of Alexandria, "On Creation..." It refers to G-d creatiing/Genesis 1 in the first few verses.....not Jesus. The "Word" was a concept in Greek theology 600 years before Jesus. Jesus was not the first "Word." Philo Judeas, being a Greek Jew, had introduced Greek thought into his ideas of the Torah. That is why the author did not have to explain the concept to his reader, people of the region were already familiar with the concept of the "Logos of G-d." Thanks, WakkyWabit Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 8, 2004 Hare Krishna I think its pretty clear really. Jesus said he was son of God. If you are a true follower of Jesus, then you should accept he is not God, but divinely empowered by God. Anyone praying to Jesus as God will not make as much spiritual progress as those who accept the Christian scriptures and pray to him as the son of God. The thing that gave me the realisation that Jesus is linked to Krishna in some ways, is the fact that Christ in its original form in i think Hebrew or Greek is spelled Krsta - shockingly similar to Krsna. They are not the same though, because in the Bhavishya Purana, Jesus is not seen as God, but seen as a divinely empowered servant of God. It is actually similar to Srila Prabhupada. He came down to earth to save fallen souls - he was already liberated and transcendental to the modes of material nature. In a similar way Jesus was able to do the things that he did, simply because he was also transcendental. I believe Jesus and Srila Prabhupada are similar in that they are eternally liberated souls who out of their own mercy came down to the earth to save fallen souls. Why not leave it at that? Jesus said he was the 'Son of God' similar to the way Srila Prabhupada said 'I am servant of God' Also, many followers of Jesus are confused and believe he is God because he says 'by pleasing me, you please God'. However, Srila Prabhupada also said that by pleasing a pure devotee of God, you please God. That doesn't mean Prabhupada or Jesus were God, it means they are pure devotees, so we should please them, in order to receive spiritual benefit. In fact Srila Prabhupada said 'I am spiritual master of the Universe' - so he is the foremost Guru. In the same sense, Jesus was probably the foremost Guru for the Christians - but it doesn't change the fact that both he and Prabhupada were not God. Haribol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 8, 2004 "Jesus is linked to Krishna in some ways, is the fact that Christ in its original form in i think Hebrew or Greek is spelled Krsta - shockingly similar to Krsna" Yes, similar. But I don't think Jesus' father is Vrajendranandana Krsna because Jesus regards god as his father which is not a rasa in Goloka. There is a four-armed Krishna in the spiritual world Vaikuntha but Srila Prabhupada has said there is no relationship with god as father in the spiritual world. Krishna is another name for Vishnu so Jesus' father might be purusa avatara Vishnu but I don't know if he can be approached as father either. Then again I recall Jndas saying something about Bavishya Purana mentioning Jesus to be from Surya loka. Srila Prabhupada: "It is also indicated in this verse that Lord Aniruddha is the sun-god by virtue of His expansions. Since the predominating deity of the sun is an expansion of Lord Aniruddha, Lord Çiva also prays to the sun-god in this verse" Purport Srimad Bhagavatam 4-24-36 Jesus' father might be the sun-god who is an expansion of Aniruddha/Krishna. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 15, 2004 If you don't belive in Christ as a Cristian man don't pretend that He is a bonafide representative of Krishna. I think that YOU are full of confusion, not the Christians. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 19, 2004 Jesus is God. Jesus is the Second Person of God. The Comment in Text 10 "Christ is the Servitor God, the Second Person." of the previous post is my inserted comment. I should have noted this fact in the post for clarity. Regardless, the facts remain. Jesus Is Sankarshana, GOD! "Sankarshana, the second expansion, is Vasudeva's personal expansion for pastimes, and since He is the reservoir of all living entities, He is sometimes called jiva." And we all know and accept that one can only receive the mercy of Krsna through Lord Baladeva. Jesus is God. Please accept Krsna's gift of Jesus. Everyone should see the One Faith articles of HH Bhakti Ananda Goswami at www.saragrahi.org in the columns section ys, saksi gopal das Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 19, 2004 the problem is that for vaishnavas the word god is not enough specialistic to use it for deep discussing, we use for krishna the definition supreme personality of godhead, not god so jesus can easily be called god because he, as spiritual master is an incarnation (=shaktiavesha avatara) of paramatma but he's not the supreme personality of godhead.. i repeat.. we are too deep in our accuracy to use a word like god that means a million of things.. brahman, paramatma, bhagavan, virat rupa, avatara, chatya guru and so on... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 19, 2004 As followers of A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami,our Sampradaya Acarya , we are also followers of Jesus Christ it is well known why you ritvik are so in love with jesus christ and christianism... it is because you like the idea of people following a spiritual master disappeared 2000 years ago interrupting parampara Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bhaktachris 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2004 A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami pointed out that Lord Jesus was a Shaktivesa Avatara. If one looks into the Prophecy of Lord Chaitanya Srila Prabhupada comes up as the one to fulfill such Prophecy of Every Town and Village the Holy Name (maha mantra) will be spread, hense another Shaktivesa Avatara. Or another one especially empowered to bring back the Sanatana Dharma. And since no one has come as such an Shaktivesa Avatara/Acharya as Lord Jesus the Christ or Srila Prabhupada in all these years of Kali Yuga, then yes i am in love with Jesus and REAL Christianity or that the main focus of Spiritual Life is to develope our lost Love of God/Krishna. And what did Srila Prabhupada say we should develope and inspired THOUSANDS in the Past and the Present as well as the Future. Love of Krishna or Bhakti Yoga. Sorry but no others have inspired so many and may never will. But go ahead and worship your Spritual Master and develope your Love of Krishna as long and as well as you are inspired. I have no problem with that! /images/graemlins/grin.gif Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 20, 2004 nd since no one has come as such an Shaktivesa Avatara/Acharya as Lord Jesus the Christ or Srila Prabhupada in all these years of Kali Yuga, -every step of parampara is a shaktiavesha avatara, bhaktivinoda, bhaktisiddhanta, six goswamis are shaktiavesha avataras... because they're an empowered (shaktiavesha) manifestation (avatara) of chatya guru, paramatma, balarama Love of Krishna or Bhakti Yoga. Sorry but no others have inspired so many and may never will. -inspirated by prabhupada is to follow his instructions.... tad viddhi pranipatena.... find a spiritual master and serve him... to follow prabhupada is not to praise, is to act according his instructions But go ahead and worship your Spritual Master and develope your Love of Krishna as long and as well as you are inspired. I have no problem with that! -no you have problems because you think that prabhupada is the las uttama adhikari acharya of gaudya sampradaya.. and this is an heresy because krsna never leave us without pure devotees, and prabhupada would not have said all these things about the features of the spiritual master if after him here will not be any master to bring disciples back to godhead follower of the follower of the BRAHAMA MADHVA GAUDIYA BHAKTIVEDANTA SAMPRADAYA -sampradaya means the it continues.. not that sampradaya and krsna consciousness is ended with prabhupada.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 21, 2004 the Islamic scriptures say that God doesnt give birth. so... it cold be that Jesus was an incarnation of god. similar to Lord Balaram perhaps? *see Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 21, 2004 he's a manifestation of lord balaram as any bona fide spiritual master Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 22, 2004 Jiva-tattva = Vishnu-tattva? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 23, 2004 not so important, the guru has to be followed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 23, 2004 jiva-tattva = vishnu-tattva? guru-tattva = vishnu tattva? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 13, 2004 What would you tell if I have said the God and the Jesus is you my friend? You still think the world and yourself in your body. In your skin actually. Take that breath in that breath was actually somewhere right before you have breathed. Now it's in you. I can understand the people hating from the God allmighty from various reasons; and most important of them is the false teaching of the people who do not know Lord. Forget about Paulus or old Testament. In none of the 4 Books Jesus ordered or wanted to be included after old Testament. He didn't ask Paulus to write down his stupid feelings either. Jesus is Hare Krishna, Jesus is you, Jesus is Me. We are all the God. He never said the reverse. Did he? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
